Broncos should say no thanks to Elway

We’ve been going easy on the Broncos over the past several days, given that the franchise currently is reeling in the wake of Spygate II and a clumsy case of dueling Pat Bowlen banjos regarding Josh McDaniels’ job status.  But we can’t keep quiet on this one any longer.

Woody Paige of the Denver Post recently reported that former Broncos quarterback John Elway “would accept an offer to rejoin the Broncos in a full-time executive position.”  Paige cites in support of his report an “impeccable source.”

In other words, Elway told him so.

It would be a huge mistake, in our view.  Elway hasn’t worked as a scout, grinding away by riding puddle jumpers to backwoods colleges in search of low-round draft picks.  He doesn’t know what to look for in a lineman or a linebacker or a defensive back or any other player, except maybe a quarterback.  (Maybe.)  He hasn’t officially worked in any capacity for a football team, other than as a player.

And so putting him in charge of football operations would be nearly as foolish as giving the job to, say, Woody Paige.  The only difference in the skill set is that Elway has played the game.  Actually, Paige would potentially be more qualified, because he would be more inclined to acknowledge the limits of his knowledge — Elway would assume that his ability to throw the ball naturally translates into an ability to run the show.

We’ve seen this routine before.  Dan Marino tried to do it in Miami, until he realized that running the team actually requires, you know, work.  So after a week or two of reviewing the Penske file, Marino called it quits.

Elway is no different in this regard than Marino.  Despite being one of the greatest players of all time, Elway isn’t suited to do any better than the current regime, which frankly isn’t doing very well.

53 responses to “Broncos should say no thanks to Elway

  1. Elway is likely more qualified to be a Broncos exec than many “reporters” are at offering opinions as fact and attempting to start trouble where there is none.

  2. And Favre can come back as the Vikings Head Coach next year. ( But not until the 4th preseason game)

  3. …..or just as well suited as bloggers, talk show hosts, rabid fans, etc., in other words everyone else out there who thinks they know better but aren’t willing to put their ass on the line and risk income, reputation or livelihood.

  4. Who are you to say? Mike Holmgren was only a coach before making a great run as front office manager. Many players have made great front office personnel.

    PFT is really getting on my nerves with its twists and opinions it puts on things. Are you kidding me Florio? What do you know about football or who knows talent? NOTHING. So just report football like a good journalist would, you know, subjective to the material. Quit adding your own twists and opinions, we don’t care what you think. Most of the time you are wrong anyways… Just repost other stories from other great writers straight up, quit adding crap to make yourself sound intelligent. It has the opposite effect…

    Ten bucks this doesn’t even get posted…

  5. Florio, yet again you should have kept quiet. Woody was not suggesting that Elway become a GM, so not having been a scout isn’t really important, the Broncos have plenty of scouts. Elway does have experience in running a professional football organization, from when we was the CEO and co-owner of the Colorado Crush of the Arena league for 6 years. He was also chairman of the Arena Football League’s executive committee.

    There is very little football based experience anywhere above McDaniels in the organization. Xanders/Ellis/Bowlen have relatively little football knowledge, so it is all on McD. He really could use another experienced voice in the organization, and Elway would be a perfect fit. Not only that, but it would be a huge PR boost for an organization which sorely needs it right now.

  6. Finally we can put Marino into the category of just another QB, like Dan Fouts before him and Phillip Rivers now, these guys had big arms, put up lots of numbers but can’t win titles. Thank you Phillip Rivers for allowing Dolphin fans to finally realize that Marino should not be in the conversation of all time top QB’s.

  7. Florio, Elway does have experience running a football franchise! While the Colorado Crush is not an NFL team, they did win a championship. Saying that a reporter would be better qualified to be team president just goes to show silly most of the opinion posts are on this site. Stick to the news, man!

  8. I wonder if Florio ever thinks about the irony when he posts “Broncos should say no thanks to Elway” in something called the Rumor Mill.

  9. A HOF player like Elway desreves a shot at least. Bowlen gave McDumby a chance, how much worse can Elway do? Add in the fact that John’s Dad was a great talent evaluator I think John could do the same thing. Elway shouldn’t be a GM but he should be involved with the organization.

  10. Yeah, but after the two weeks everybody said Marino did a lot with the Dolphins by transferring the contents of all the scounting notes files into flexible accordion-style folders…..

  11. Read between the lines.

    Elway’s position with the team will not be analogous to that of Ellis (current GM), but rather to that of one Mr. Bowlen.

    It will happen. Sure, Elway doesn’t have the money to do it on his own, but he will head the group that does.

    Bowlen (or any NFL owner) doesn’t need to know as much about running a football team as he does about running a business. And, Elway does know how to do that.

  12. “Full-Time Executive Position”

    That covers a pretty wide swath of responsibilities. I seriously doubt that he would be involved in the day-to-day running of the team. What he would be suited to do — at least for a little while — is remind the fan base that this used to be a great team, and that the (as I understand it) increasingly reclusive owner is committed to rebuilding that greatness. He would be a figurehead — a temporary public relations patch to keep the ticket-buying public from turning on the team until the real management can get the franchise headed back in the right direction.

    It would actually be a riskier move for Elway than it would be for the Broncos — after all, it’s his legacy in Denver that he would be putting on the line if things don’t get turned around.

  13. LOL @ Florio.. guess you forgot about the Colorado Crush, how bout sticking to throwing s*it against the wall and seeing what sticks.. your opinion means NOTHING

  14. His co-owners in the Crush were Pat Bowlen and Stan Kroenke, who it’s safe to say between them know a thing or two about running a sports franchise. So being CEO of a team co-owned by that pair Elway would have had a lot of opportunity to gain the necessary insight and experience to take an executive job in the NFL.

    This is far from Marino taking a stab at doing something managerial, or the Bills and Browns letting former players give them input on draft picks. This is someone who has earned the experience at a lower level of the industry, potentially being given an opportunity on a bigger stage. Kind of like a college coach, scout or whatnot from a successful program being given a shot at doing their job on the next level.

    The fact that he’s a legend in the city and that he was a successful player are added bonuses, not the sole reason that he’d be doing the job. In fact, giving him a shot would buy Bowlen a lot of goodwill with the fanbase, which he could use right now seeing how angry everyone is getting with Josh McDanials.

  15. Maybe Elway can pretend that he is the architect of the Broncos.

    Today’s practice will focus on feats of strength!

  16. Elway couldn’t win the big one until the Broncos cheated on the salary cap and held on to veterans they would have lost otherwise. Elway was Jim Kelly plus salary cap shenanigans.

  17. The whole article is predicated on one statement, “He hasn’t officially worked in any capacity for a football team, other than as a player.”
    However that statement is false. Elway was the CEO of the Colorado Crush (as others have also pointed out).

  18. Florio,

    Did you forget the family John Elway grew up in? This guy grew up living and breathing football night and day with his father Jack who coached him and was a long time football coach. It’s in his genes.

    What’s to say Elway doesn’t have the background to understand what it takes a run a team? This isn’t Matt Millen attempting to make decisions that are new to him, this is something with some experience and a the bloodlines to make it work.

  19. otistaylor89 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:31 PM

    Yeah, but after the two weeks everybody said Marino did a lot with the Dolphins by transferring the contents of all the scounting notes files into flexible accordion-style folders…
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    Now that’s funny right there.

  20. To the so called people who know football, Florio are u listening? Exactly, what does it take to run a football team? We Dolfans have witnessed the “tuna” in Miami make more then a few draft picks that havent played up to snuff and some very high priced free agents who are no longer with the team. The Dolphins under the Tuna’s gase are headed for another 7-9 season(maybe). So , Florio, please enlighten us has to how its done.
    And please folks, try to remember that QB’s dont win championships be themselves, they need help, u know, like linemen, running backs, a good defense. To say a QB isnt the best cause he hasnt won a ring is pure stupidity.

  21. georgeanderson2 says:
    Dec 2, 2010 2:14 PM
    “Finally we can put Marino into the category of just another QB, like Dan Fouts before him and Phillip Rivers now, these guys had big arms, put up lots of numbers but can’t win titles. Thank you Phillip Rivers for allowing Dolphin fans to finally realize that Marino should not be in the conversation of all time top QB’s.”

    Well, the voters for the Hall of Fame disagree with you. My hunch is you never saw Marino play, because if you did, you wouldn’t have that opinion. go back and watch video. Marino was the best pure passer of all time. Most accurate passer, quickest release. a freak of nature at the position. passers now are putting up simliar yardage stats because the rules have changed and you can no long mug recievers like you could in Marino’s day.

  22. apparently the people running the show right now aren’t doing so hot with understanding of talent

  23. So, the Bronco’s blatently tape and just as blatently blow smoke up our collective asses trying to cover it up and misdirect the blame and that gets a pass. I wonder how that would be covered if it were The Eagles or Vikings?

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    packerrube13 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:01 PM

    Who are you to say? Mike Holmgren was only a coach before making a great run as front office manager. Many players have made great front office personnel.

    PFT is really getting on my nerves with its twists and opinions it puts on things. Are you kidding me Florio? What do you know about football or who knows talent? NOTHING. So just report football like a good journalist would, you know, subjective to the material. Quit adding your own twists and opinions, we don’t care what you think. Most of the time you are wrong anyways… Just repost other stories from other great writers straight up, quit adding crap to make yourself sound intelligent. It has the opposite effect…

    Ten bucks this doesn’t even get posted…

    pssst Mike ‘blowhard’ Holmgren got fired the last time he tried it. Jury’s out on this attempt. Nice revisionist history though, you must be a democrat.

  25. Packerrube13 is spot on Florio………..You are as sharp as a marble……………Are you kidding. First off, quit comparing Elway to Marino. Elway actually went to Superbowls and won. Marino jumped right into that exec. position with ZERO experience and still had a “players” mind…& the only business I remember about him is selling isotoners. Elway has succeeded in alot of business avenues, including being a football exec. in another league. Im not trying to compare Arena to NFL, but at least Elway has made the attempt to crawl before he walked. So, be a little smarter about your stories, when your true intention is just to get a laugh at George Costanzas expense. You are clueless.

  26. You’re right Mike — they should hire you (the be all and end all of football knowledge). You’d be the prefect fit.

    It’s a wonder people in the industry look at you the way you smear those you don’t care for; you’re certainly more important to the NFL than Elway ever was…hopefully someone will give you a gig soon.

  27. So Florio how do you know that Elway doesn’t know what to look for in a lineman. He only played in the game since he was a child, his Father was a coach & unless you have have had indepth conversations with Elway how would you know what he knows about football? I know one thing I bet he knows more about it than you do!!! People like you think too highly of themselves. I wonder did you ever get picked in a pick up game!!!

  28. bronco4lyfe says:
    Dec 2, 2010 4:05 PM
    Packerrube13 is spot on Florio………..You are as sharp as a marble……………Are you kidding. First off, quit comparing Elway to Marino. Elway actually went to Superbowls and won. Marino jumped right into that exec. position with ZERO experience and still had a “players” mind…& the only business I remember about him is selling isotoners. Elway has succeeded in alot of business avenues, including being a football exec. in another league. Im not trying to compare Arena to NFL, but at least Elway has made the attempt to crawl before he walked. So, be a little smarter about your stories, when your true intention is just to get a laugh at George Costanzas expense. You are clueless.

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    To be fair, Marino also sold Nutrisystem…just saying…

  29. @ dolphindad

    Have split season tickets off and on with buddies in Sec. 102 since ’95, so I have seen many games ‘ol Danny boy has chucked the rock around. He was good, but he is not great. Look at Rivers , same QB. Just didn’t realize until this season. Is Danny a better QB than some Super Bowl winning QB’s , of course, but Marino is a guy with stats who couldn’t win a title. He had Super Bowl coaches and they couldn’t win with Dan, but they won with other QB’s, so it is not coaching, it falls on QB #13.

    Elway, Montana, Unitas, Bradshaw, Brady, Manning, Favre those are great QB’s who win championships. Franchises and fans want titles not passing records.
    As the years go on Dan Marino becomes Dan Fouts, his records get broken and within 20 years he is not in the conversation as the greats. He will have fallen way down on the passing lists(especially with 18 game seasons). That is why the Dolphins organization is terrible because they won’t give up on ’72 or Marino. That is all this organization hangs it’s hat on, it will never move forward until those two are remembered with only a smile.

    As far as Elway being apart of the Donkeys, go get him Mister Ed…

  30. your right florio a gall if fame qb and for franchise owner and league excutive of the arena league knows nothing about football. but a former attorny who runs a internet site devoted to rumors knows more?so how many offers to be involved in running a team have you had to turn with all of your vast football knowledge? I thought so and would take my chances with a former player over a know it all internet hack anyday!

  31. I guess you think that Elway has nothing to offer to Tebow….Elway, in the correct capacity, could be nothing but a positive for the Broncos. He is an Iconic figure in Denver and obviously wants to be a part of the action. I’m a Raider Lifer, but, what is going on in Denver is dispicable. The AFC West used to be feared and a rockin tough division. Now we need better football out of all of our teams..

  32. packattack1967 says:
    Dec 2, 2010 3:46 PM
    #
    packerrube13 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:01 PM

    Who are you to say? Mike Holmgren was only a coach before making a great run as front office manager. Many players have made great front office personnel.

    PFT is really getting on my nerves with its twists and opinions it puts on things. Are you kidding me Florio? What do you know about football or who knows talent? NOTHING. So just report football like a good journalist would, you know, subjective to the material. Quit adding your own twists and opinions, we don’t care what you think. Most of the time you are wrong anyways… Just repost other stories from other great writers straight up, quit adding crap to make yourself sound intelligent. It has the opposite effect…

    Ten bucks this doesn’t even get posted…

    pssst Mike ‘blowhard’ Holmgren got fired the last time he tried it. Jury’s out on this attempt. Nice revisionist history though, you must be a democrat.
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    He got fired after numerous division titles and a trip to the superbowl. You’re right… Complete hack. And he had some control over personnel when he was with the Packers too and that turned out ok I’d say. 2 superbowl trips, one win. And no I am a republican. So you have been wrong on all accounts… Dumb A**.

  33. Elway is no fool, if he took control of the Donkeys, he would surround himself with the smartest football people in the business. Unlike Matt Millen ( lets draft another wide receiver)who could not see the forest from the trees.

  34. packerrube13 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:01 PM

    Who are you to say? Mike Holmgren was only a coach before making a great run as front office manager. Many players have made great front office personnel.
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    Only Ozzie Newsome. Matt Millen was horrible, and Spielman gets a pass, since he ended up with a HOF QB like Favre…then they forced Moss on Childress. Player and GM is two different things altogether – he’s never scouted, or seen the league and how teams are put together – nor has he worked as a color analyst to actually see players in action that he’d consider signing… It would be interesting to see if he’d go for Harbaugh of Stanford – given his ties to the University. (then move up to take Luck – who said he wouldnt come out if Bill has no. 1 pick.

  35. It’s been 5 years since this has been written. Kudos to Florio for admitting his mistake. Elway clearly is a good GM.

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