Tucker Carlson’s idiocy had its intended effect

I was traveling home from the New York blizzard and Philly non-blizzard Wednesday when MDS posted a blurb regarding Tucker Carlson’s outlandish comments regarding Eagles quarterback Mike Vick.

“I’m a Christian, I’ve made mistakes myself, I believe fervently in second chances,” Carlson said on FOX News Channel.  “But Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did in a heartless and cruel way.  And I think, personally, he should’ve been executed for that.”

The comments had their desired effect, in our view.  Carlson’s once-rising media star has faded dramatically, beginning when he jumped from CNN to MSNBC and thereafter plunged into oblivion.  Really, what has Carlson said or done to generate any real buzz since Jon Stewart called him a “dick” on the air?

But now Tucker Carlson is relevant again.  Heck, he’s the first chronic bow-tie wearer to trend on Twitter.

Sure, he’s also now viewed by many as a complete and total nut job.  In his line of work, however, it’s better to be viewed as a complete and total nut job and to be employed than to be regarded as reasonable while maintaining a steady diet of government cheese.

As to Vick, he was fortunate that the state-level prosecution for killing dogs was bungled; Surry County, Virginia prosecutor Gerald Poindexter somehow couldn’t get a grand jury to indict Vick on charges of killing dogs even though Vick admitted to killing dogs in conjunction with his guilty plea on federal charges.  A zealous and competent prosecutor would have obtained an indictment and a conviction and would have pushed for an additional sentence over and above the time served at Leavenworth.

In theory, Vick could still be serving time right now in Virginia.

But the mere suggestion of taking human life for cruelty to non-human life is, in our view, far more inhumane than anything Vick ever did.  Though Carlson may not lose his job for his remarks, we can’t imagine that there are enough people who agree with those views to allow Carlson to sustain whatever media career he currently has left.

110 responses to “Tucker Carlson’s idiocy had its intended effect

  1. The worst part is, if you didn’t post it here on PFT, none of us would have known about it. So, in that regard, you played right into his hands.

  2. Lose his job?! It’s Fox News, he’ll get praised for his views. In fact he’ll get a promotion and be given another show of his own. Hopefully Jon Stewart is his first guest so he can get fired and land at Headline News.

  3. Vick definitely got off easy for his crime, especially considering that there are guys in prison for lesser offenses for much more time.

    However, this is obviously Carlson attempting to score cheap points with the conservative base. The GOP has had a lot of success criticizing black-underclass culture, with dog-fighting clearly being one unsavory aspect of it (watch the 3rd season of [i]Wire[/i]), and Carlson is simply going after that low hanging fruit.

  4. “Gerald Poindexter somehow couldn’t get a grand jury to indict Vick on charges of killing dogs”

    Are you kidding me? The man never even made a full force effort to indict him. Vick got extremely lucky. Poindexter is a known racist and in no way did he ever intend on hurting the career of a successful black man. Now if Vick were white, you can bet Poindexter would have went on the warpath and the book would have been thrown at him. Vick got a tiny hand slap by the U.S. government, and Surry County/Poindexter just decided to look the other way and ignore the issue altogether. It was kind of one of good ol’ boy network type of things, but in this case, it wasn’t a bunch of white good ol’ boys. You learn a lot about how things work in Surry and Isle of White when you survey the land in those counties as I did. (including the Vick residence)

  5. It didn’t really have the effect he intended IMO. All it did was make every Conservative hating human on earth sympathize with poor little Mike Vick.

  6. I’m a Christian and I do believe in second chances, but I think, personally, that Tucker Carlson is an ass and should be put to death.

  7. Kudos to Carlson for finally having the balls to say what so many others are afraid to say. Vick is truly a worthless piece of human garbage, and should be treated as such. The same goes for Lurie, Reid and everyone else who overlooked Vick’s heinous crimes in the interest of winning games and making $$$.

  8. Raiders757 is telling it like it is. That was no
    “bungled job”. That outcome was intended. You
    need to know where Vick is from, where Poindexter is from. Could on and on. Just don’t
    call it a bungled job. Sham would be a better
    term.

  9. While Vick didn’t serve much time in prison I in no way think he got off easy. He lost all of his money. all of it! I think I remember reading something that said he lost over $125 million. that’s a lot of dough. I think he got a fair punishment. going from $125 million to broke is a big punishment.

  10. I’m still waiting for OJ’s victims to get justice. Maybe *ucker Carlson could spout off about that!

  11. “But the mere suggestion of taking human life for cruelty to non-human life is, in our view, far more inhumane than anything Vick ever did.”

    So you are saying that the idiot’s words were “far more inhumane” than electrocuting puppies to death? I think you need to step back and take a breath, because you have lost touch with reality on this one.

  12. first and foremost, enough with the fox news bashing. its the number 1 rated cable news network for a reason.

    second, as a republican, i think tucker carlson is a clown.

    people need to get over the dog fighting thing. i hate animal rights people. yes, what he did was awful and wrong, but it wasnt to human beings. get over it.

  13. So newengpat, when something tragic happens to you or a family member you’ll know it was your own personal karma that did it! Better go call your loved ones to see how they are!

  14. But the mere suggestion of taking human life for cruelty to non-human life is, in our view, far more inhumane than anything Vick ever did. Though Carlson may not lose his job for his remarks, we can’t imagine that there are enough people who agree with those views to allow Carlson to sustain whatever media career he currently has left.

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    Not that I agree that Michael Vick should have been executed, but this statement is a little ridiculous as well. You think you should be able to tortue and kill livings animals as much as you want since they aren’t human? I don’t necessarily think Vick deserves the death penalty but it’s a little much to say that human life is just so ridiculous beyond animal life that punishments should be light in comparison.

  15. My God is Tucker Carlson a douche-bag. That was a horrendous thing to say just because you’re in front of the camera. How many people who think Vick should be executed have served time in a Federal Prison??? I bet not too many…he served time for crimes he committed. How many people that have killed HUMANS have served less?? Leonard Little who played in the NFL killed a woman while drunk. I think he received 4 months probation…for killing a human!!! Vick did a terrible thing but to wish he be executed because of it doesn’t fit the bill. Those who think that really need to check themselves in the mirror and wonder what is wrong with themselves!!!!!!!

  16. “Poindexter is a known racist and in no way did he ever intend on hurting the career of a successful black man.
    Vick got a tiny hand slap by the U.S. government, and Surry County/Poindexter just decided to look the other way and ignore the issue altogether. ”

    Like the handslap Scooter Libby got for outing a covert CIA agent? What does color have to do with it? Did Bush commute Libby’s sentence because they were both white?
    Raiders757; Who’s the racist here? Survey the man in the mirror.

  17. “But the mere suggestion of taking human life for cruelty to non-human life is, in our view, far more inhumane than anything Vick ever did. ”

    This is a typical Christian view. “God gave us dominion over the animals and we can do whatver we want.” If someone killed my pets in any way other than an accident I would kill them with my bare hands. Cruelty, in any form, is wrong.

  18. the dude needs to be ‘FIRED”, where is Trump when you need him, “YOU”RE FIRED”.

    I’ll never go to FOX TV AGAIN !

    I think this site is great. I don’t agree with your take on Brett but I’m a male chauvenist pig that is laughing how Jenn handled this… laughing how that poor college girl got ‘man’ handled by Ben, guess she man’ handled him, cause the Rape hospital test showed… NOTHING !

    Now, lets go to all the Sports web sites and look at all the postings of the NFL Cheerleaders and their skimpy costumes… uhhh.. Steelers don’t have any? No wonder Ben is wondering all over the country for a babe!

    Yeah… poor Brett though still has to go home at end of the season and face the MRS !

  19. Newengpat-you sound as ignorant as Carlson. Don’t judge people you’ve never met. You sound as you’re as big a piece of human garbage as you say Vick is. Why is it that people can’t let stuff go?? It was terrible thing but can’t we move on?? There are bigger problems in the world than this and why doesn’t Tucker, (what a queer name) focus on that?

  20. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this. But I look at it like this, Vick was convicted and served his time. He is fulfilling all of the necessary components of is probation and has shown no indication that he’s going to re-offend. Far more people have committed worse crimes against human beings and have served less time. If he were not a professional athlete but rather a regular person, he probably wouldn’t have been sentenced to serve any time. The man was sentenced to time in prison, and served it. He should be able to go on with his life as others who are released from prison have.

  21. Tucker Carlson is a giant fairy. I was all for incarcerating Vick for his transgressions, and I don’t relate to or like the guy at all. However, it seemed to me that Vick was already punished more harshly than a normal person would have been for the same crime. The guy lost millions upon millions of dollars, and after all folks, we’re talking about animals that he killed. Others before me have already pointed out the hypocrisy in our culture regarding the treatment of animals we eat versus animals we keep as pets, so I won’t waste time there. People need to get over it. The guy did his time, paid a higher price than any of us ever would, and he’s seeking redemption. The closet racists (Tucker Carlson) of the world should keep their supposed Christian morality to themselves.

  22. mamueller says:

    While Vick didn’t serve much time in prison I in no way think he got off easy. He lost all of his money. all of it! I think I remember reading something that said he lost over $125 million. that’s a lot of dough.
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    Boo hoo. He got out of prison and took a limo to his mansion while regular people are eating Ramen because of the failed economic policies of Vick’s admirer. What’s he making now? Oh. Millions.

  23. a) Ever heard of the Daily Caller? It’s a huge news site he made while “in oblivion”.
    b) Talking about killing someone for unimaginable cruelty to animals is worse than actually doing unimaginable cruel things to animals? Really? On the one hand you have someone being hyperbolic on television, and on the other you have a guy choking, electrocuting and drowning dogs with his bare hands, and you’re really saying you think the former is the worse of the two? Thank goodness we have access to your moral insight. Jesus christ.

  24. CT Pats Fan says:
    Dec 30, 2010 11:28 AM
    The worst part is, if you didn’t post it here on PFT, none of us would have known about it. So, in that regard, you played right into his hands.
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    Except that it was also on CNN.com, ESPN.com, and SI.com amongst others.

  25. bluestree says: Dec 30, 2010 12:13 PM

    “Like the handslap Scooter Libby got for outing a covert CIA agent? What does color have to do with it? Did Bush commute Libby’s sentence because they were both white?
    Raiders757; Who’s the racist here? Survey the man in the mirror.”

    Oh Lord, here we go. First of all clown, Scooter was convicted of perjury, not for “outing” anyone. He went to jail. Valerie Plame hadn’t been a covert CIA agent in some time. It was already open knowledge that she had been, and Scooter was not the one who “leaked”.

    Lastly, the blues is long dead, brother.

  26. Its an absurd statment to say he should have been executed, but the effect saying it isn’t a bad thing. It has everyone talking again about what Vick did do, instead of just dismissing it. The facts are the facts- Vick was the head of an illegal enterprise engaged in illegal gambling, and dog fighting. Vick did viciously kill under performing animals in inhummane ways. This is going to and should stick with Vick for the rest of his days no matter what the Vick apologists want. He ran Bad Newz Kennels from 2001-2007 when he was caught. He has only been out of prison for 2 years, its premature at best to even suggest he turned his life around and this is a nice redemption story. FACTS are FACTS- Vick is a convicted dog killer and he will wear that label for the rest of his days, he earned it.

  27. stevied23 says:
    Dec 30, 2010 12:22 PM
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this. But I look at it like this, Vick was convicted and served his time. He is fulfilling all of the necessary components of is probation and has shown no indication that he’s going to re-offend.
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    Can we wait until he is off probation and not angling for a new multi-year, multi-million dollar contract before we race to declare Mike Vick a changed man?

    He’s got about 100 million reasons to stay clean right now. It will be years, after he has gotten his big contract is out of the federal system before I am willing to believe that a man capable of enjoying watching untrained house pets get torn apart by pit bulls (http://nydn.us/gfHzXZ) is actually a changed man.

  28. I’m a Christian and don’t agree with Tucker’s opinion. But that is what it is…his opinion. Make sure that you don’t paint with that wide brush like you’ve been so obviously doing.

    Besides…”In his line of work, however, it’s better to be viewed as a complete and total nut job and to be employed than to be regarded as reasonable while maintaining a steady diet of government cheese.

    Kettle meet Pot

  29. How and why Vick is back in the NFL is totally beyond me. I guess that’s another one we can chalk up to that wimp of a commissioner. He’s shot himself in the foot so many times, he has no toes left. Not that I much care but I think the current commish is killing the game!

  30. I don’t know who Tucker Carlson is, and I don’t care.

    But I will say this…people need to stop using the whole ‘Mike Vick served his time, and should be allowed to go on with his life…’ defense.

    I guess in the semantics of it, that’s completely true. But I still truly think the NFL made a major mistake in my eyes – especially the Philadelphia Eagles.

    Yes, once someone serves their prison sentence, they should be allowed to go on and make a living. I’ve heard that soooooooo many times for Mike Vick. But he shouldn’t be allowed to go make his living being an NFL player.

    He can go make a living like a LOT of other people. He has athletic talent, why not become a football coach in high school? Or hell, he can be a football player in a different league – just not the NFL.

    For example, let’s say I’m the Vice President of a major corporation…like Xerox or something…and I get implicated in a dog fighting ring, and I have to serve 2 years in federal prison…do you think Xerox would just say ‘Well, you’ve done your time, you were a great executive here, and you need to be able to have a livelihood…so here’s your job back!’?

    F-no, they wouldn’t! I’d have to go work elsewhere, probably at a much reduced salary.

    I think 2nd chances in life are fine. But 2nd OPPORTUNITIES OF SCENARIOS…now that’s a different story.

    Mike Vick still comes across as a complete liar too. Example again – he just recently was talking and said ‘Nobody ever told me it was wrong’ (about his dog fighting).

    Oh really? Then why was he running such a secretive operation. He’s such a moron.

    So, all in all, I don’t know who Tucker Carlson is, and frankly I don’t agree with him at all that Mike Vick should be executed…

    But I wouldn’t mind seeing Mike Vick sustain a career ending injury, and hopefully he can go earn his livelihood elsewhere, and we can just remember him how a fallen celebrity should be remembered. They should be rememberd as a person that was a waste of talent. They had a tremendous opportunity, but blew it by being a dispicable human being.

  31. Fun with a humorless twit!
    Jon Stewart on Crossfire is a classic. (this episode reportedly got Carlson canned)
    Carlson, over his head, in a hole, kept digging, finally managed the biting quip “you are not funny”.

    “No, but I’ll go back to being funny tomorrow,
    and your show will still blow.”

    Jon instantly updated Churchill’s classic, who upon being called Drunk, said:
    “I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”

    Stewart on Crossfire
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

  32. We’ll if you go by the punishment fits the crime according to Tucker then we should be executing politcians, lawyers, and priests!!

  33. Ehh if you eat meat, you are naive to think those animals are treated better than what Vick did. He killed dogs that were bred to fight to the death, along with some beagles to test the pits out.

    What is the difference between a dog that’s bred to to die being electrocuted/drowned/beaten, to a cow that’s bred to die being kept in tight quarters, all weather, moved from grassy patch of mud to grassy patch of mud, loaded on trains, brought to a stockyard, and eventually, killed “oh so humanely” with an electric zap to the forehead? To the point they still Mooooo when they are hung up on the conveyor belt.

    Vick is just an idiot, plain and simple, to not recognize that cultural things don’t transcend across the country/world. People of his ilk, whatever you want to call it. Southerner, black, white, hick, fight dogs, they grow up doing it. It’s what they do. People with expendable income, spend in excess of $150 a month on dog food and treats and pics with Santa, can’t fathom killing a dog. But a fighting pit bull is not Lassie.

    I’m just over it, he did his Federally mandated sentence to completion, and has toed the line since getting out. He doesn’t deserve to be killed. Get over it people.

  34. Let me get this straight. We’re talking about a dog right? As in an animal? Canus lupus? As in Korean cousine? Seriously? There’s a reason Koreans eat them and Native Americans didn’t keep them as pets, because they’re dogs, animals.

    Should we lock someone up that kills a cat? Like, i don’t know, buries them up to their neck and runs over them with a lawnmower. Or maybe ties a gas soaked rag to their tail and lights it on fire just for fun.

    How about people that slaughter pigs, chickens, lambs, cows, turkeys, etc. so you can have a nice thanksgiving dinner or sandwich? Should we charge them and lock them up?

    How about hunters that kill deer, elk, geese, ducks?

    If you run over a cat or dog or snake should you be charged with involuntary animal slaughter?

    A dog is no different that any other species. Sure they’re cute and give you that puppy dog look. They’re loyal because they know who feeds them. The same can be said for cats. I had a pet snake once, it was cool. Just because it didn’t have fur and wasn’t cute didn’t make it any less of a pet or animal than a dog.

    Where do you draw the line? Based on what?

    BLEEDING HEARTS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

  35. remember this is the same Tucker Carlson who recently admitted to sending out emails while pretending to be Keith Olbermann (i.e. addressed FROM Keith Olbermann), while working for the same “news” agency the cuts and pastes anything together as long it will make the President look bad, for an audience that buys whatever said “news” agency dishes out hook, line and sinker

  36. You would not beliee the comments that this post garnered yesterday, it was ridiculous. Putting an non-human’s life anywhere near as equal of a human life is beyond irrational, but these evil people must spew their hate. And when Obama made a comment about it there was even more hate, some of it with a racial tinge to it.

    As someone said, Far more people have committed worse crimes against human beings and have served less time. One story I read yesterday had a 69 year-old man KILLING a 23 year-old man after the young man’s dog peed on the older man’s prize-winning lawn. What did the older man get? 4 years probation. But Tucker Carlson is so concerned about the injustice that Mike Vick is still allowed to play football. Give me a break.

  37. ROFL … so when I asked on the other thread if you planned to detail Vick’s misdeeds, the answer is yes. Also can’t help noting that Carlson’s idiocy had its intended effect all right … 199 comments at last count. That’s what? About 7 percent of the hits generated? You ol’ click master, you 😉

    But I love this article … not for Carlson’s self-serving rhetoric or the rhetoric about Carlson’s rhetoric, but because you posted a link to the Stewart clip, which I hadn’t seen. Though down with bronchitis, I still found his dismantling of CNN’s idea of “debate” positively orgasmic. Sweet. Thank you.

  38. jcusa514 says: Dec 30, 2010 12:01 PM

    first and foremost, enough with the fox news bashing. its the number 1 rated cable news network for a reason.

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    Fox news gets ratings for the same reason shows like Jersey Shore and The Bachelor get ratings. People lack desire for knowledge or anything that challenges them cerebrally. Poorly derived fiction posing as reality will win out over truth 100% of the time.

  39. You have to love it when people of one political leaning think that people who lean the other way do so simply due to low intelligence. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

  40. Lets be honest if all people took everything that folks stated Tongue and Cheek to Heart they would not let you out of your Straight Jacket or Hospital.

    MSNBS, CNN?, that is where folks go to Die. Fox is where the action is these Days, the Ratings should tell you that.

  41. davidtrout says: Dec 30, 2010 1:42 PM

    “Fox news gets ratings for the same reason shows like Jersey Shore and The Bachelor get ratings. People lack desire for knowledge or anything that challenges them cerebrally. Poorly derived fiction posing as reality will win out over truth 100% of the time.”

    that’s quite the broad generalization to make. i guess you’re not very tolerant of people if they don’t agree with you. because someone watches a news network that you don’t watch doesn’t mean they’re “below you”. you’re clearly a textbook pretentious liberal

  42. Saints97 made a great point.

    PFT thinks this guys “statement” is worse than Vick’s actual “actions?”

    Vick killed and tortured dogs.

    This Carlson guy is clearly a boob but people say dumb things…it’s not worse than what Vick did.

  43. mean13 says:
    Dec 30, 2010 1:04 PM
    bluestree says: Dec 30, 2010 12:13 PM

    “Like the handslap Scooter Libby got for outing a covert CIA agent? What does color have to do with it? Did Bush commute Libby’s sentence because they were both white?
    Raiders757; Who’s the racist here? Survey the man in the mirror.”

    Oh Lord, here we go. First of all clown, Scooter was convicted of perjury, not for “outing” anyone. He went to jail. Valerie Plame hadn’t been a covert CIA agent in some time. It was already open knowledge that she had been, and Scooter was not the one who “leaked”.

    Lastly, the blues is long dead, brother
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    I’m a clown? You missed the entire point of my post. It was about racism, not the legal minutiae of US v. Libby. I’d explain it further but it would waste my time.
    Secondly, hearing the blues is “long dead” will come as a surprise to the packed house at the Joe Bonnamassa concert I attended last week.
    How do you like your new clown suit, brother?

  44. Boy – I had no idea Christians were such zealots in favor of the death penalty.

    I little bit ironic given how the religion started in the first place.

    I would have expected more of a “dog for a dog” attitude.

  45. “Fox news gets ratings for the same reason shows like Jersey Shore and The Bachelor get ratings. People lack desire for knowledge or anything that challenges them cerebrally. Poorly derived fiction posing as reality will win out over truth 100% of the time.”

    That pretty much fits all of cable news. You think MSNBC’s lineup of Maddow, Schultz and Olbermann are truth seekers (why do you think Floor-Boy is on NBC?)? This is why Carlson was bounced for MSNBC. They don’t want conservatives on their lineup. Unlike Fox which actually employs liberals.
    As for what Carlson said, its called exaggeration for effect. Carlson is like many pet owners. Their pets are family. If you kill my dog dont expect my first reaction to be to call the police, because I’m getting my gun.
    Now I know Floor-Boy dutifully takes the NBC line (which for those of you who don’t know you can flip flop DNC and NBC and have the same effect), thats why he only links to a 31 second clip. But if you watch the full clip (a little over 4 minutes), its not about the punishment at all. Its about Obama again trying to make some issue into national prominence for himself.
    Though if anyone thinks Michael Vick doesn’t have mental issues, feel free to take responsibility with his next killing.

  46. Anyone of you ignorant morons claiming this is the norm for Fox, shut the hell up. You clearly know nothing. Carlson doesn’t even have a show and is rarely ever a guest on one. He is a political correspondent who travels during elections. God the real idiocy is from people on here trying to think they know a thing about Fox or the people on the show.

    racism is 100% of black people voting for a black man.

  47. I think the ultimate goal of this idiot and 99% of FoxNews pundits is to discredit Obama, which is exactly what he was trying to do with his comments. Yes, it got his moronic ass into the spotlight but I think these guys care more about creating hatred for all liberals than anything else.

  48. Vick’s acts are unforgivable. Having said that Tucker Carlson is a moron & needs to be put down.

  49. profootballwalk says:
    Dec 30, 2010 12:01 PM
    this country is full of people who care more about dogs than people.

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    Yep!

    I am one of them.
    Animals don’t commit crimes.
    Humans do.
    Animals don’t intentionally have to forsight to plan to commit crimes and hurt others.
    Humans can and do.

    I’ll take a gerbel over a human any day of the week.

  50. Like others, you had me right up until:

    “But the mere suggestion of taking human life for cruelty to non-human life is, in our view, far more inhumane than anything Vick ever did. ”

    I’m surprised you’d suggest we take the WORDS of some idiot as a more serious offense against humanity than an admitted criminal enterprise, so I’m thinking you may have been going for some extreme comment yourself. Did it have the intended effect?

  51. Humans are animals! I do care about dogs more than people. Humans are the worst animal on the planet and in many ways more like a virus. Religion is BS and Vick should have been executed.

  52. #
    jcusa514 says: Dec 30, 2010 12:01 PM

    first and foremost, enough with the fox news bashing. its the number 1 rated cable news network for a reason.

    second, as a republican, i think tucker carlson is a clown.

    people need to get over the dog fighting thing. i hate animal rights people. yes, what he did was awful and wrong, but it wasnt to human beings. get over it.
    _______________________
    Funny thing is, I remember hearing Tucker attack PETA more than once for being extremists who valued animal life more than human life. It was one of the few things he said that I agreed with. Now, here he is saying a human should be executed for what he did to dogs. Yeah, it’s a pretty obvious and desperate plea for attention and publicity. Then again, it’s hardly the first time I’ve seen someone of Fox make a powerful statement on an issue, only to equally powerfully say the opposite once the circumstances have changed. e.g.: never criticize a president in time of war anytime the opposition challenged any of Bush’s ideas, followed by Fox openly questioning military policy and strategy once Obama took office. Consistency in political and behavioral philosophy isn’t exactly a requirement to work for Fox. In fact, it can hurt your chances of promotion it seems.

    BTW: you’re right, Fox is the number one rated “news” channel for a reason. It doesn’t worry about informing so much as playing into their viewers preconceived notions. As such, it’s become the Republican news source of choice. Ironically, the party that talks about freedom and independence more than anyone else has a whole lot of people that seem to fall into the group think mind set when it comes to public issues. It’s amazing really. I’ve known some people who were really independent minded in their personal lives who I’d constantly catch mindless spouting the latest Fox News talking points. Even the wording was the same. Just blows my mind how good they are at propaganda. MSNBC plays the same role for the left, but is less successful because a lot of people on the left simply don’t like to agree with anyone, including each other. Personally, I try to avoid both.

  53. kimcon22000 says: Dec 30, 2010 2:59 PM

    Animals don’t commit crimes.
    _________________________________

    This is amazingly stupid. The only reason animals do not commit crimes is because they do not fall into the jurisdiction of crimes. Animals kill other animals all the time, many times in torturous fashion. Animals attack, maim, and kill humans all the time.

    Why are those not crimes? Because we hold humans to a higher standard. If we treated animals like equals, as you seem to want to do, almost all of them would be in “jail.”

  54. on the left we have nbc, abc, cnn, cbs and for comic relief we have msnbc

    on the right we have Fox News.

    5-1 – I can live with that.

    Guess who gets more viewers?

  55. However this IS America where researching trends is tougher then jumping to conclusions and less fun I guess

    revised grammatical errors in last sentence

  56. saints97 says:Dec 30, 2010 3:24 PM kimcon22000 says: Dec 30, 2010 2:59 PMAnimals don’t commit crimes._________________________________This is amazingly stupid. The only reason animals do not commit crimes is because they do not fall into the jurisdiction of crimes. Animals kill other animals all the time, many times in torturous fashion. Animals attack, maim, and kill humans all the time.Why are those not crimes? Because we hold humans to a higher standard. If we treated animals like equals, as you seem to want to do, almost all of them would be in “jail.”

    Talking about speaking the truth

  57. my post providing historical insight into why blacks voted in high numbers for Obama based on our trend for voting for Democrats is erased but someone just making a ridiculous statement on the subject is allowed to stay. Back to a real website like BR I return to no censorship there.

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    people fighting for social justice, people fighting for your safety

    what’s the difference anymore? Depends on which celebrity’s words of wisdom you believe or what cause you think you support.

    Ah I think I’ll go back and turn on American Idol, that new girl is really nice on the eyes, what’s her name? Something Perry??

  59. It had nothing to do with Vick. His job at Fox is to make knee jerk criticisms of President Obama and Democrats, because that’s what pleases their viewers.

    Your point is taken. I had forgoten he existed. I can’t wait until I forget again.

  60. But isnt it funny how conservative christians are the ones that love claim that Jesus was so forgiving… yet all Christians want to do is execute everyone. They all favor the death penalty.

    One question for the religious nuts, who gave you the power to take away God’s gift of life? “An eye for an eye” is NOT in the Bible! Jesus would be disappointed in what Christians have become.

  61. “first and foremost, enough with the fox news bashing. its the number 1 rated cable news network for a reason.”

    The same reason Two and a Half Men is popular – people like to watch stupid crap on TV.

  62. @jcusa514

    Fox News might be the number 1 rated news network for the same reason people can’t seem to stay away from a train wreck!

    Thank you Fox News for employing people like Tucker Carlson. This moron should help provide comic relief for a long time. Oh wait, they have Hannity for that……..

  63. I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Michael Vick is different from people who hunt game, who shoot ducks out of the sky, who strangle chickens with their bare hands.

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how someone who kills dogs could possibly be on the same level as a murderer who kills an actual HUMAN.

    You value a dog over a human, yet you label those of us who believe Vick deserves a second chance as morons. I guess those of you who feel this way wouldn’t care if your friends, family, or lover fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, because you’ll have your dog, right? If you are really that lonely and so dismissing of your fellow man, I pity you.

    Tell me, is a dog ever going to find the cure for cancer? Is a dog ever going to perform brain surgery and save someone’s life?

    What Vick did was wrong, this statement cannot be argued. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. To place the life of an animal -ANY animal- over the life of a human is short-sighted and ignorant. Dogs don’t get a pass because they’re “man’s best friend.” ANY animal can be a best friend.

    I’m tired of every Vick thread degenerating into idiots that bleat “HE KILLED DOGS.” Come up with something better that hasn’t been repeated a million times by people of similar intelligence.

  64. footballfan292 says: Dec 30, 2010 4:38 PM

    But isnt it funny how conservative christians are the ones that love claim that Jesus was so forgiving… yet all Christians want to do is execute everyone. They all favor the death penalty.
    _____________________________________

    Judging and condemning a diverse group of millions by a singular stereotype?

    Dr. King would be so proud.

  65. Yes. Awesome. Please continue to amplify this idiots voice. The world needs more idiocy, so by all means help this idiot reach more people.

    IT’S NOT NEWS WHEN A MORON SAYS SOMETHING STUPID. FULL STOP. SO DON’T REPORT IT.

  66. profootballwalk says: Dec 30, 2010 12:01 PM

    this country is full of people who care more about dogs than people.
    _________________________________
    In many cases, dogs are smarter and better company than people.

  67. “Heck, he’s the first chronic bow-tie wearer to trend on Twitter.”

    THE Doctor would like to have a word with you. He’ll be there in 5 minutes ago.

  68. The religious right:
    “I beleive in a culture of life. Now let’s go kill everyone we don’t like!”

  69. Opinions or comments are not in the same category as actual acts of violence.
    Of course animals are not equal to humans.
    But the cruel treatment of an animal or any person, be it a child or the elderly speaks volumes of an individuals character.
    After all what would drive a person to prey on the weak.
    Did Michael Vick need the money ?
    Did Michael Vick need the prestige?
    Why would a rich, famous, healthy young man with such gifts , talents and athletic abilities find excitement in such a dark and heinous “hobby”
    One has to wonder if Michael Vick had not been caught ,where would he have stopped
    Where are the boundaries for such a cruel personality
    The bottom line is this:Michael Vick had the world in the palm of his hand, he had fame money , admiration ,health, etc…. but that wasn’t enough for him.
    He had to perform acts of evil on something weaker than himself, on a living creature that had no power whatsoever.
    The NFL should be embarassed to let him play.
    Yes ,he did his time, but all the young people who are watching should have witnessed him lose his football career forever as a result of his “choices” rather than return to the field ,mainly because he is a good athlete.
    I don’t believe for one minute that Michael Vick has changed his attitude of preying on the weak.
    I believe he is acting.
    You know the wise old saying;
    WHEN SOMEONE SHOWS YOU WHO THEY REALLY ARE……….. BELIEVE THEM
    Time will tell.

  70. Dogs, by in large, harm no one.

    Certain people harm lots of other people.

    Kill all those people.

    The funny thing is, as big of a scumbag Mike is, his POS brother is worse.

    Someone should have executed their mother before she gave birth to those sick SOBs.

  71. @footballfan1000 is a bigot. he is only saying this because he doesn’t like blacks. If a white person had done this, he wouldn’t be so upset. He isn’t railing against Palin who kills animals for fun.

    to use a quote: “WHEN SOMEONE SHOWS YOU WHO THEY REALLY ARE……….. BELIEVE THEM”

    @footballfan1000 you have shown us. You are a hate monger and a bigot. I don’t believe for one minute that you aren’t. And whenever you show an ounce of kindness, you are acting.

  72. Vick did lose all of his millions and declared bankruptcy. and yes technically he is now making a few million for this season and last season, but most of that goes to loans that weren’t wiped out by bankruptcy. so yes his pay check for this season will have 7 figures, Vick only gets a small portion of that. and yes Vick is making more than the average american but is making a lot less compared to other people in his profession. so save your sob story about eating raman. Vick is talented and found something he’s great at, and you hate him for being successful. i can understand hating him for killing dogs, but hating someone for being successful is idiotic. so don’t give him crap. there’s a lot worse players out there. LETS SEE BEN ROETHLISBERGER WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE TWICE!!!!!! no one is talking about that anymore, because no one cares, because Ben is having an average season. And maybe it’s just me and my weird morals, but I think raping women is much worse than killing dogs. (although i think both are horrible).

  73. #
    saints97 says: Dec 30, 2010 11:59 AM

    “But the mere suggestion of taking human life for cruelty to non-human life is, in our view, far more inhumane than anything Vick ever did.”

    So you are saying that the idiot’s words were “far more inhumane” than electrocuting puppies to death? I think you need to step back and take a breath, because you have lost touch with reality on this one.

    Touché

  74. Carlson and media personalities like him don’t actually believe the ridiculous things they say. Their entire job is to say the most inflammatory thing they can possibly think of to provide them and their network with attention.

    Note to Tucker Carlson: The death penalty is cruel and inhumane punishment, no matter how you render it.

    @kimcon22000

    Wow, yours takes the cake for dumbest comment here. Animals don’t commit crimes? Probably because they don’t have animal governments creating animal laws, with animal police officers to enforce them and animal courts. Or maybe it’s just because it’d be absolutely retarded to expect an animal to comprehend, let alone follow, a man-made law.

    I’d like to pair you up with a wild lion. Then we’d see how much you like animals over humans. Remember, animals can’t commit crimes, so if the lion eats you, then eating you must have been legal.

    My guess is that your disdain for other people is very outwardly apparent, which only serves to feed your hatred (itself a reflection of deep-seated self-loathing) as they take extreme measures simply to avoid your miserable company.

  75. @mamueller …

    Raping women is worse than torturing animals. Being stupid and poorly informed isn’t wonderful either.

    A woman in Nevada had a one-night stand with Roethlisberger. The next day she texted friends how much she wanted to see him again. A year later she ran into financial problems and sued him for $3 million claiming rape. The Nevada police said there is no reason to believe a crime ever occurred. The guy went out to celebrate his birthday in Georgia and according to dozens of witnesses, a woman followed him from bar to bar all evening, trying to get him to go home with her. After he refused, her friends started ragging him about the Nevada rape case and he threw them out of the party. Later those friends took the woman to the police and claimed she’d been raped. HER MEDICAL EXAM SHOWED SHE DID NOT EVEN HAVE INTERCOURSE and the DA said there was no evidence the crime occurred. That is why, genius, that Roethlisberger wasn’t even arrested.

    The NFL suspended him because of his poor judgment in getting drunk out of his mind with these skanky women and putting the NFL in a poor light, not because of anything to do with sexual assault. He may be a jackass, but he is not a rapist. It’s bad enough that skanky women set back the cause of REAL victims and that a young man was wrongly accused. But it’s annoying to have morons like you who keep bringing this up MONTHS after the prosecutor explained all this in detail.

    Learn to read.

  76. Anyone who equates the value of an animal to a human and acts like Michael Vick deserves worse than what he got should be coerced to do animal porn!!!!!!!!!!

    Animals can’t help human beings the way that human beings can themselves and other animals.

    For crying out loud, if animals had the same or greater value than humans we’d be the zoo animals while the animals would be the zoo keepers.

  77. @Deb

    yes being stupid and poorly informed isn’t wonderful. funny you said that especially since the case in Nevada is still open and charges could still be pressed and the case could still go to court. but you know i guess they’re just keeping the case open for fun.

  78. @Deb

    maybe you should learn to read. what was said was he was accused not guilty. there’s a difference. and after the first accusation i said ok ill give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe it’s just some chick trying to get money but after the second time i get a little more suspicious. and i’ve only brought this point up when people talk about Mike Vick and how he’s a terrible person, but fail to realize Roethlisberger could possibly have done a crime much worse but everyone seems to forget that. I was just trying to put things into perspective. Maybe Ben Roethlisberger didn’t rape either of those women, and maybe OJ didn’t kill anyone. who knows. but you don’t have go being a jerk about it.

    and you wanna talk about bringing up Roethlisberger months after the fact as though I’m stupid for doing so, well people keep bringing up Vick’s dog fighting years after the fact and you seem perfectly happy with that. let it go. he did a year and half in Leavenworth. maybe you think he should’ve done longer, but a judge said otherwise. he also lost all of his money he paid for his crime. but no one seems to be mad at Donte Stallworth who killed A PERSON!!! and spent 30 DAYS in prison. idk maybe im just an idiot because i’m not convinced Roethlisberger is innocent. and Stallworth killing A PERSON deserves harsher punishment than Vick who killed DOGS. and don’t get me wrong I love dogs, but still it’s not nearly as severe as rape or murder.

  79. If you believe it is right and just for us to take a human life who has murdered many people, or tortured them etc, then it is not a huge stretch to do the same for someone who commits these acts on pets.

    Pets are helpless, and can not speak for themselves. If the scale is grand enough, why would it be inhumane to take the crimminal’s life just because the victims are not human?

  80. @ravensfan4life52 …

    Wasn’t talking to ravensfan4life52 who happened to say Roethlisberger was accused twice but not convicted. Was talking to mamueller who said:

    “LETS SEE BEN ROETHLISBERGER WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE TWICE!!!!!! no one is talking about that anymore, because no one cares, because Ben is having an average season. And maybe it’s just me and my weird morals, but I think raping women is much worse than killing dogs.”

    NO … there will be no charges in Nevada no matter what happens in the still-pending civil suit. McNulty has never filed a criminal complaint. Nevada police issued a statement more than a year ago saying no rape has been reported, they have no reason to believe a crime occurred, and have no intention of opening an investigation. So there will be no criminal charges no matter how the civil suit plays out. Since a medical exam showed the Georgia woman didn’t even have sex with Roethlisberger, the Georgia DA said that case will not be reopened for any reason either.

    It doesn’t matter whether you want to give him the benefit of the doubt. The evidence is what it is–and these cases have nothing to do with Michael Vick or O.J. Simpson. Defendants aren’t interchangeable. You don’t have to be a jerk about it and drag Roethlisberger into your rants about Vick when you don’t know your facts.

  81. Vick got off way to easy. I’d love to body slam him like he did those dogs. He’s a scumbag and always has been. What’s better is he’s proving once again he’s simply a great athlete playing quarterback and never has nor ever will be a great quarterback. Let’s see how the Philly love affair goes when he’s elimated in the 1st round.

  82. Michael Vick thank God that you have a second chance , keep you’re head up , stay focused , do something good for the black community in philly , be smart and remember that you’re haters want you and will not rest til they get you (don’t give them a second chance ) …… oh yea and laugh at you’re haters all the way to the bank ….. i know i am (laughing at you’re haters) afterall you and i both know whos hating and why they are hating

  83. I see that once again, Deb is taking on the formidable (and yet imaginary) “Pro-Rape Lobby.”

  84. @benhazin

    Making stupid comments to get attention only works when said comments are seen or heard by a lot of people, i.e. not here.

  85. pooflingingmonkey says:

    I see that once again, Deb is taking on the formidable (and yet imaginary) “Pro-Rape Lobby.”

    ————————————————-

    Uh … huh? You mean the real (but completely uninformed) “Roethlisberger is a Rapist Lobby”?

    Yeah, well, Stubborn R Us.

  86. Redemption and forgiveness is really, really a bitch! I mean how could God forgive someone who killed dogs? Not only that, how could God forgive someone and actually give them a second chance to be a better person? I mean really, what kind of God is that? St. Paul murdered christians, King David murdered his best friend’s wife so he could sleep with her. Operating and funding illegal dog fighting is simply not worthy of God’s forgiveness or redemption – only the murder, rape and molestation of men, women and children is…That’s the Christian way, right?!!

  87. @starjam

    “If you believe it is right and just for us to take a human life who has murdered many people, or tortured them etc, then it is not a huge stretch to do the same for someone who commits these acts on pets.”

    Actually, it is, because sane people recognize the difference between pets and human beings.

    Last time I checked, dogs had teeth. Pitbulls are aren’t helpless.

    “If the scale is grand enough, why would it be inhumane to take the crimminal’s life just because the victims are not human?”

    Because it would be inhumane under ANY circumstance to take someone else’s life, especially if you actually care about the value of human life.

  88. @Deb “Uh … huh? You mean the real (but completely uninformed) “Roethlisberger is a Rapist Lobby”?

    Yeah, well, Stubborn R Us.”

    You’re obviously a well informed football fan, Deb. But you come across as a bit of a zealot with your constant defense of Mr. Gray Penis.

    He behaved badly, got busted, served his punishment. We agree one thing thing – it’s a tired, worn out story that’s been beaten like a rented mule.

    Let’s move on, shall we?

  89. @pooflinger …

    Happy new year. When you call him Mr. Gray Penis, it sounds as though you mean Favre.

    Yes, of course, I agree he behaved like a jackass and is lucky he didn’t wind up in worse trouble than a four-week suspension, which was probably good for him. The horse is dead, flayed, and I’d love never to see it again. But then twits start portraying the McNultys, DTFs, and Stergers as victims, my head explodes, and I wind up vomiting all this pointless repetition onto the screen … as I just did again a few minutes ago. Darn it!

    Not a zealot, but sometimes overly passionate. Boxing … maybe I’ll take up boxing.

  90. “I have made mistakes.”(No tucker, YOU are a mistake.) Quite evidently your mother and father made a huge mistake, and the only thing that can come from that IS a mistake. Besides, I am quite sure that I flushed both YOU and SEAN on Monday morning, shortly after your births. My BAD though..Now I’ll have to get my septic tank cleaned.

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