Union says league’s unfair labor practices claim has no merit

The NFL has filed a complaint against the players’ union, arguing that the NFLPA has refused to bargain in good faith so that the union then can decertify and file an antitrust lawsuit.

The union has responded.

“The players didn’t walk out and the players can’t lockout,” NFLPA spokesman George Atallah told PFT via e-mail. “Players want a fair, new and long-term deal. We have offered proposals and solutions on every issue the owners have raised.  This claim has absolutely no merit.”

The league hopes to prevent the union from decertifying so that a lockout could proceed.  The fact that the league has made the claim is the clearest evidence yet that a lockout is planned.

26 responses to “Union says league’s unfair labor practices claim has no merit

  1. These guys really have their priorities in order. Instead of sitting down and hammering out a new deal so we can get this over with, lets find other stuff to whine and complain about.

    Both sides just show no reason to be optimistic.

  2. every time an attny states ” It has no Merit”,
    some how, the courts rule rules it has Merit..
    Hope the owners win this battle..

  3. Ok, I’m not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV BUT, in what other business do the employees get 60 % of the revenue yet the owners have all the risk?

    C’mon- Its the owners who have to negotiate marketing deals and stadium financing issues with communities, not the players.

  4. This “union” is the worst I’ve heard of, and that’s saying something. Pretty much every other union has wage scales in place based on seniority and position you occupy. But not this one!

    How is it that this union has “sole bargaining rights” meaning it represents every player, yet every player has an independent agent of their choosing, who they pay additional money to, who is not associated with the union, and who bargains specifically for them!!!
    I don’t even see how decertification is even legally possible when not only is this sham union not the sole bargaining entity for the players, it’s not even the PRIMARY bargainer of their employment contracts!

  5. If they put the same effort into resolving this CBA as they do bickering about it.., this thing would be done by now.

    From the NFL Fan perspective.., this is like watching two spoiled kids bickering.

    As far as I can tell, there’s no objectivity here and both sides are going to end up throwing away a very good thing and then spend time complaining about how the other side ruined everything. It’s nausiating when you consider that eventually, a deal will begrudgingly get done.

  6. I am sick of both sides!!! Owners help out the Vets, they made the league what it is today. Rookies get over your ego’s!!! Try and earn your money before you get it. You already got paid a free education for college now earn what you get in the NFL!!! Players you are employed and it’s an option, you don’t have to do this job. NHL, NBA, MLB all play way more games than you do, if 18 is to many then don’t play. go do something else. YOU HAVE OPTIONS!!! no one forces you to play in the NFL, don’t talk about how you love the NFL, can’t believe you get paid to play a sport you love then dig your heels in the sand and say I wont play two more Frickin games. lets try and remember you get paid a lot of money to play a game you say you love. most of us that pay to go to these games would be set for life with less than you make in a year. SO NOW JUMP OFF THE HIGH HORSE AND PLAY FOOTBALL!!!

  7. Some of the NFL players on De Smith’s call sheet right now are not pushing him hard for a deal to get done. Some of these guys would love a year off to spend their millions. They can be where they want, eating and drinking what they want. Everyone comes back year exactly where we are now – nothing lost.

    I’m not saying it’s a majority, and many if not most will need the pay check. But some don’t. And some of those guys are in De Smith’s ear. Book that.

  8. /completed the thought for you>>>

    The league hopes to prevent the union from decertifying so that a lockout could proceed. The fact that the league has made the claim is the clearest evidence yet that a lockout is planned and that the owners will be the ones to blame when there is no football come September.

  9. mvp43 –
    There are probably thousands of businesses where employee salaries are at least 60% of revenue, especially when the employees are the main focus of generating the revenue.

  10. Of course the owners want to lockout. The owners see this as a great time to smash the players and get a great deal for them and a terrible deal for the players. The owners are getting TV money so they have an income stream while the players have no income stream.

  11. This could also be laying the foundation for the league to declare an impass and impose their last offer on the players and then the off season proceeds as usual. Then if the players don’t like it, they can strike.
    Sounds like PFT wants a lockout as much as the union does.

  12. Why is the NFL stopping their employees from leaving the union? I thought the union was “bad”.

  13. Wait, i thought the league didn’t want lawyers and the courts to waste their time with football issues? as per usual, the league/owners are not talking if they are not distorting the truth or simply outright lying.

  14. PanchoHerreraFanClub says:
    Feb 14, 2011 4:25 PM
    Why is the NFL stopping their employees from leaving the union? I thought the union was “bad”.
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    Unions do suck. But in this instance, if there’s no union, a lockout will launch an anti-trust lawsuit against the teams. A lockout is basically the owners going on strike, and they want to reserve that option (rightfully so…if the players can, why can’t the owners?)

  15. When questioned, Atallah and DeMo asserted that they were just speaking for a loosely knit group of pals who liked to call themselves Numerous Football Lads Pooping Around.

  16. Why is there such scant coverage here of the content of the league’s unfair labor practice filing with the NLRB against the NFLPA? Shouldn’t readers here at least have an opportunity to examine the arguments made by the NFL owners?

  17. The argument that the players don’t deserve 60% because they don’t put up the venture capital is ridiculous. In the NFL the players ARE the product. Without them, the owners have nothing to sell. It is very common for a product to cost 60% of the sale price (gross revenues). Actors are paid that much and more for their parts in movies and plays. Musicians and singers receive that amount and more for concerts. Artists usually receive a 60/40 split with gallery owners for the artwork they produce. Heck, most products cost 60% or more to make. Does a $20,000 dollar auto cost less than 60% ($12,000) to make? That would mean the auto owners pocket $8,000 for every cheap car they sell and double that for the more expensive ones? I don’t think so. The owners in the NFL are greedy. The players that they’ve lavished ungodly money on are greedy too, they don’t deserve the huge paychecks the stupid owners have thrown at their feet. Both sides are OUT OF CONTROL! It’s the fans who are the ones who actually pay for the whole circus, yet it’s the fans who always get the shaft.

  18. Enough already. Is congress going to have to intervene? Lord help the fans. Either sh#t or get off the pot!

  19. bronco1st says:
    Feb 14, 2011 6:11 PM
    The argument that the players don’t deserve 60% because they don’t put up the venture capital is ridiculous. In the NFL the players ARE the product. Without them, the owners have nothing to sell. It is very common for a product to cost 60% of the sale price (gross revenues). Actors are paid that much and more for their parts in movies and plays. Musicians and singers receive that amount and more for concerts. Artists usually receive a 60/40 split with gallery owners for the artwork they produce. Heck, most products cost 60% or more to make. Does a $20,000 dollar auto cost less than 60% ($12,000) to make? That would mean the auto owners pocket $8,000 for every cheap car they sell and double that for the more expensive ones? I don’t think so.
    **********************
    my guess is that you have absolutely no clue what percent of costs are specifically for labor in any of your comments. The auto example is just pure ignorance – you completely ignore the cost of parts and raw material, the allocated costs associated with capital (buildings & machinery), the costs of engineering, marketing, distribution, liability insurance, … I could go on.

    The reality is that labor costs, in fact total product costs, are typically a very small portion of what you pay for most products. Yeah, the entertainment industry is a different business model, but you have no clue about production costs, direction cost, lease costs for props and scenery, advertising and distribution, etc. You simply hear that Bruce Willis makes $20M for a movie and that sounds like a lot.

    I’ll agree on one point, both sides are greedy, but the reality is, if there are no owners, there is no league. The players improve the quality of the product, but the players are unable to invest, develop and run the business of the NFL without the owners.

    Ultimately, all the news we hear comes down to posturing for public opinion, and all the legal filings are based on advise of each sides council in the event this negotiation winds up in court, that’s it.

    Union negotiations almost always go down to the deadline before any deal is done, and anything agreed to before the deadline gives the appearance that someone left something on the table and did not get the best deal they could.

    Ultimately, this really just comes down to DeMaurice Smith building his reputation and legacy – just building a name for himself. He will not negotiate with intent to settle a new CBA until the players pressure him to make a deal happen, and until then, he’s just playing the game.

  20. Owners take all the risk??? How the hell do they take the risk? They setup shell corporations to run everything, hold cities and states hostage for public money to fund “their” stadiums, then bitch about only getting 40% of what? 11 Billion dollars??? Give me a break; they aren’t the ones getting their bodies destroyed on the field, getting paralyzed, etc.
    And by the way, there are thousands of business’s which the employees take 60% of revenue, my wife’s business is one of them.

  21. That all being said, I say they make the pie a bit smaller and make tickets to the games more affordable.
    Or at least, cut out half of the “commercial break” time outs, it’s getting rediculous.

  22. Unfair labor practices ? So what do you call signing a MAJOR TV RIGHTS DEAL(money thats going to the Owners only ), then tell your players “We are going to void our CBA with you, oh yeah we want to take some money back too. If you dont like it we’ll just have a lock-out.
    Is that what you call unfair labor practices ?

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