Frazier sends mixed signals about quarterback interest early in draft

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Last month, Vikings coach Leslie Frazier suggested that his team could use a first- or second-round pick in the 2011 draft on a quarterback.  More recently, he has clarified his remarks.

“The only thing I was saying about that is that would be ideal,” Frazier said, per Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.  “That’s the term I used.  But you don’t want to get to the point where you’re reaching for a player just because you have what you perceive as a need at quarterback.  We want to get the best player that’s available and if the quarterback we like is not there you can’t just say, ‘OK, we’re going to take that guy because he plays quarterback.’  We have other needs other than that position.  We’ve got to be smart. . . .  When we sit down and go through all the scenarios we’re going to try to take the best player that’s available for us at whatever spot we take him.”

In other words, no one knows what the Vikings will do — and thus they’ll be able to claim after the first two rounds that they got the guys they really wanted.  Regardless of whether they actually do.

Either way, the Vikings need a quarterback.  Drafted last year to be a receiver, Joe Webb has a ton of potential as a quarterback, but it’s still unclear whether he could be “the guy.”  And in 2011 it could end up being very difficult to get a rookie quarterback ready to play, given the lockout.

Then again, the Vikings also need to break the cycle of searching for a veteran who can’t provide a short-term and long-term answer at the position.

In the end, the biggest factor should be whether, as of April 28 when the draft begins, the Vikings believe that a young quarterback will have a fair chance to prepare to play this season.  If the answer is yes, they should seriously consider drafting a quarterback in round one or two.  If the answer is no, they should prepare to make a run at Kevin Kolb or Carson Palmer or Donovan McNabb whoever else they can find whenever the new league year begins.

And if they can’t find anyone who’s currently in the league, there’s always Hattiesburg.

We’re kidding.  We think.

45 responses to “Frazier sends mixed signals about quarterback interest early in draft

  1. Les sent out clear messages, but they became mixed by solar disturbances while travelling through space from Vulcan.

  2. Just fire up the private jet and send you kicker and Jared Allen down to Mississippi. The old sext, err…gunslinger should be rested and ready by the time training camp is over.

    He’s just having fun out there.

  3. If they get McNabb… I won’t watch anymore. That guy sucks and has always been over-rated.

    Palmer and Kolb would be fine, but the Eagles likely want too much for Kolb (a first round pick is too much for an unproven guy) and nobody is sure if the Bengals will even trade Palmer, and if they did, what the asking price would be.

    So yeah, the Vikings need to go QB in round one or round 2, avoid a likely bust waiting to happen in Cam Newton, and target a guy with good passing skills like Mallet or Ponder. If they don’t do that, you can chalk this up to another draft day failure by the Vikings.

  4. A perfect example of why mock drafts suck.

    The near consensus is that Gabbert and Newton are top 10 players, and that both will be gone before MN picks, while the other QB’s left on the board aren’t worthy of the Vikes’ pick at number 12. Add to that the Vikings don’t have a 3rd round pick this year, so they’d be hard pressed to trade up.

    Mocks don’t project trades, but the Vikings are the perfect candidate to trade down this year. Drop to the bottom end of the first round, draft a QB in a more reasonable spot, and pick up the needed 3rd round pick in the process.

    But I still read every mock draft I can… Go figure.

  5. Every time i read of another team’s qb quandry, i’m more thankful that we FINALLY have our guy in Josh Freeman….. the NFL’s next great qb.

  6. “Vince Young”

    Yes, PLEASE take him off our hands – signed Titans Fan

  7. If any of them the only choice would have to be Kolb. He is young and has the experience under his belt, the problem is Andy Reid and the Eagles will want an Arm and a Leg for him. Carson Palmer had one mediocre season and really isn’t that good. Donovan McNabb is up and down so much it makes a stripper look bad.

    The Vikings are rebuilding, unfortunately because of what Brad Childress kept trying to do every year making the team a superbowl or bust team the age is high and when we finally do have a QB we will have to start all over with many positions in the draft.

  8. Doesn’t make sense to reach @ #12, I say go defense, Amukamara or Quinn if either is there, if not then trade down and pick dt Marvin Austin & hopefully get that third rd pick back.

    As far as zn0rseman, wtf are you talking about?! Palmer over Mcnabb? They both were terrible last season, but Palmer had a better team. I wouldn’t take either qb.

  9. @rovibe

    I agree with you 100% If our QB is already taken then trade down and get a 3rd round pick. We really shouldn’t reach! I have been waiting for someone esle to echo my thoughts!

  10. The Vikings should pull another Hershel Walker type trade where they trade up in the draft to secure their next bust, er, I mean Qb and give away valuable draft picks to fill all their other holes, Offensive line, Db’s come to mind.

    That way when Gabbert or Newton fail, they can point to the sorry state of the team as the main excuse. I don’t see the Vikings breaking .500 for a long time.

  11. zn0rseman says:
    Apr 3, 2011 2:00 PM
    “If they get McNabb… I won’t watch anymore. That guy sucks and has always been over-rated.
    Palmer and Kolb would be fine, but the Eagles likely want too much for Kolb (a first round pick is too much for an unproven guy) and nobody is sure if the Bengals will even trade Palmer, and if they did, what the asking price would be.”

    What are you smoking? Or have you just lived under a rock for the past 10 years! McNabb sucks?! Are you kidding me. The guy took mediocre teams depp in the playoffs just about every year he was in Philly. He has 5 division crowns and 1 SuperBowl visit on his resume.

    And your choice over him is the guy who warmed the bench behind him for 2-3 years? WOW! WOW! WOWsers! If Kevin Kolb has proven anything in his NFL career, it is this. He is a serviceable Backup QB. He played in one of the most QB friendly offenses in the NFL and was found lacking the stuff. Yet I suspect Reid and Lurie will find and fleece some sucker out of the #1 or #1 for what is essentially a Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels, Kerry Collins or Gus Ferrotte.

    Your second pick over McNabb is none other than the most underwhelming QB with talent in the entire NFL. The Hall of Fame underachiever, Carson Palmer. All you have to do is look at his record and compare it to McNabb’s to see who is really under rated. You sir, are insane! It also shows the lunacy in your argument. Carson Palmer would be just as big a disaster and loser in Minnesota as he has been in Cincinnati. He’s a very poor leader and awful field general. And his record proves that fact.

    I can accept you just saying, I don’t like Donovan McNabb and I don’t want him to be the Vikings QB. But to lie about his talent and achievements to prove your lying point of view speaks much more about you than the great person you are trying to smear and trash. You actually deserve Palmer or Kolb in Minnesota. Good for the Vikings someone like you are no where near that franchise.

  12. A first rounder for Kolb is too steep and why go for guys like Cam Newton or Vince Young when they got someone in the same mold in Joe Webb?

    Go for a DT, a DE or a CB or trade down to get more picks.

  13. As a Packer fan I am glad that this years QB’s in the draft and free agency aren’t that good. The Packers destroyed Kolb right away, Palmer has been fading, McNabb is getting old (was good before Shanahan), and Vince Young is….Vince Young. If I were the Vikings I would try and trade back because 13-24 nobody really needs a QB, you could go defense and hope that Robert Quinn or Cam Jordan is there, but that still leaves them with a QB problem (even if they did pick up a free agent QB).

    If i were the Vikings I would try my hardest to trade back, pick up extra picks, and take either Ponder, or Locker, this way they would at least have a QB with potential….

  14. Given the lack of preseason work and the fact that none of the QBs in this year’s draft appears ready to go from day one, I don’t believe that a QB is the proper way to go with this draft. I agree with trading back.

    Based on previous trades (i.e. the Eagles giving #24 and two 3rds for #13, the Packers giving a 2nd and two 3rds and the Broncos a 2nd, 3rd and 4th to move up to the mid-20s), I see no reason why they shouldn’t trade out of the top 40 and pick up 3-4 picks in the 2nd-4th rounds. If they are insisting on selecting a QB, they can take Locker or Mallet if they fall that far, or Ponder or Kaepernick if they don’t. A LT prospect, an interior lineman, a base LDE, a FS, a NT…..

    But let me say this… The biggest mistake they can make is to take a DE at #12, regardless of who it is. A pick there will not make a great difference in the W-L column, but the presumably capable bodies they could get by trading down may.

  15. . Why the Vikings are the most inept team in professional sports history

    ** 4 Superbowl losses

    ** 5 straight losses in NFC Championship games

    **Gary Anderson who had just completed the first perfect regular season in NFL history (not missing a single extra point or field goal attempt the entire year), missed a 38-yard attempt with less than 2 minutes remaining in NFC championship game that most likely puts Vikes in Superbowl in 98.

    **in 2003 Arizona’s last second touchdown on 4th and 28 against Vikings eliminated Vikings from playoffs. The moment of Arizona’s touchdown was actually the first moment the entire season in which the Vikings hadn’t led their division. The Vikings became the second team in football history to miss the playoffs after getting off to a 6-0 start

    **The “Hail Mary” pass Drew Pearson caught against the Vikes in 75 NFC championship to give Dallas the win in the final minute.

    **Jim Marshall’s wrong way run

    **The Herschel Walker trade in which Vikings gave Dallas three 1st rounders, three 2nd rounders, plus a 3rd and a 6th rounder in addition to 5 players. Walker lasts only 3 seasons in Minnesota
    ** In 1999 the Vikings select Michigan State Defensive end Dimitrius Underwood with the 29th overall pick. Underwood spent one day in camp and walked out. It was eventually shown Underwood suffered from mental Illness. The ineptness of the Vikings comes into play because his coaches at Michigan State warned NFL scouts that he was not mentally stable enough to play in the NFL.
    **Vikings despite being favored, The Vikings lose 41-0 in NFC championship game in 2000.
    **Green Bays Antonio Freeman makes one of the all time great miracle catches in overtime to defeat Vikings in 2000
    **2003 In yet another move of ineptness the Vikings are on the board in the first round of the 2003 draft with the 7th overall pick. The Vikings missed the deadline to make the pick. Meanwhile, the two teams immediately behind Minnesota on the board Jacksonville and Carolina rushed their cards to the podium in New York and made their picks before the Vikings.
    ** With 19 seconds remaining in the 2010 NFC Championship game the Vikings call a timeout on 3rd and 10 at the Saints 33 yard line. They had one timeout remaining, so the smart money was on them running the ball and hoping to gain four to five yards — thus setting up an approximately 45-yard field goal as time expired to win the game. On that next play the Vikings are penalized for 12 men in the huddle. The penalty pushed them out of FG range and most likely cost them a trip to the Superbowl. See below for nail in the coffin on the next play
    **2010 Favre`s 4th down 4th quarter interception with seconds remaining vs Saints in NFC championship puts New Orleans in Superbowl.
    * Between 1986 and 1990, nine Vikings were arrested for drunken driving, and receiver Buster Rhymes was treated for cocaine dependency.

    * In 1988, citing “overwhelming negative response” from the public, the Vikings released convicted sex offender Mossy Cade.

    * In 1994, Joey Browner is charged with third-degree rape in Minneapolis. Charges are later dismissed.

    * In 1995, running back Keith Henderson pleaded guilty to three counts of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct.

    * 1995, Star Minnesota Vikings quarterback Warren Moon is arrested in Houston and charged with misdemeanor assault after he slapped his wife, choking her “nearly to the point of unconsciousness.” Moon is later acquitted after his wife refuses to testify. A few months previously, Moon had been charged with sexual assault by a Vikings cheerleader in a case that was settled out of court.

    * That year, Moon allegedly struck his wife in the head with an open hand and choked her to the point where she almost passed out, according to police in Missouri City, Texas.

    She did not press charges and, although the case went to trial anyway, Moon was found not guilty.

    * In 1995, the Star Tribune reported that the Vikings paid $150,000 to head off a sexual harassment suit against Vikings assistant coach Richard Solomon, coach Dennis Green’s closest friend on the staff.

    * In 1996, James Harris, Minnesota Vikings defensive end, pleads guilty to third-degree assault for beating his wife.

    * In 1999, safety Orlando Thomas was disciplined by the NFL after pleading no contest to the misdemeanor charge of simple battery on his wife.

    * In 2002, receiver Randy Moss knocked a traffic cop to the ground with his car, then was charged with drug possession. He later reached an out-of-court settlement with the officer.

    * In 2002, two women claimed to be sexually assaulted at the team’s Arctic Blast fundraiser.

    * In 2004, linebackers E.J. Henderson and Michael Nattiel and tight end Steve Farmer were arrested after officers said they saw the players assaulting a man outside the Tabu nightclub in Minneapolis.

    * In 2005, running back Onterrio Smith was suspended by the NFL for a year for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, two months after being caught at an airport with The Original Whizzinator, a kit designed to circumvent drug tests.

    * Also in 2005, coach Mike Tice was fined by the NFL for scalping Super Bowl tickets, and defensive tackle Kevin Williams was arrested on charges of domestic abuse.

    * Wide receiver Kelly Campbell driving a stolen SUV high with a stolen and weapon, with 16 grams of marijuana

    * Daunte Culpepper’s SUV involved in drug arrest

    * Former running back Ted Brown was indicted by a Mille Lacs County grand jury in late 2003 on first-and third-degree criminal sexual conduct charges after an incident at a team function on Lake Mille Lacs. He remains free on bail.

    Brown is charged in a February 2003 incident during the Vikings’ annual Arctic Blast event at Eddy’s Resort. Prosecutors allege that Brown forced sex on an intoxicated woman who was unable to consent.
    *Koren Robinson getting a DUI
    * Tommy Kramer DUI
    * Donald Igwebuike involved in drug trafficking
    * Robert Tate threatening to have the mother of his child beaten up by his cousin
    * Kenny Mixon not 1, not 2, but 3 DUI’s while with the team
    * Former Executive Mike Kelly getting a DUI going to bail out players at the Arctic Blast
    * Denny Green Sexual Harassment Allegations
    * EJ Henderson DUI * *While every team makes draft blunders I especially like this one. In 2005 the Vikings passed on Aaron Rodgers … twice. Once, to draft wide receiver Troy Williamson at No. 7 and again at No. 18 picking defensive end Erasmus James. Neither lived up to their hype and even more noteworthy both aren’t on the roster
    * January 2011 Vikings De Everson Griffin being arrested 2 times within 3 days. He was Drunk in public and then 3 days later was tased by the police after trying to run away after being pulled over for suspicion of felony battery.
    * 2010 Vikings trade a 3rd round draft pick to Patriots for WR Randy Moss. Moss is cut 4 games later

    *Oh, yeah, that whole sex boat scandal too.
    *2011 Former Vikings qb Warren Moon came up with this genius quote regarding Auburn QB Cam Newton. ” A lot of the criticism he’s receiving is unfortunate and racially based, Moon told Freeman. “ thought we were all past this. I don’t see other quarterbacks in the draft being criticized by the media or fans…”
    * 2011 Vikings sign Johnny Jolly ??
    I`m sure there are things I missed but this is why

    I believe the Vikings are the most inept team Professional sports history

  16. @mountaindont -huh?

    Trade down, pick up that third Wilf squandered for Moss. Anyone that thinks that was a Childress move is being blindly ignorant.
    Make a run at Andy Dalton.
    I said it two years ago and I’ll say it again, if they organize the appropriate deal, pick up Palmer.

  17. Ideal would be the Vikes in LA. Collapsed stadium, too much snow for an outdoor stadium. cand get the legislature to foot the bill for a new one. Just relocate to sunny California. They’ve been without a team for too long.

  18. Mountaindont.
    You forgot how they traded down in the first round of last years draft when the CB Robinson was there. Instead, the Saints took Robinson and Minny drafted Cook!! Really???? I mean they traded down five spots to miss the guy they really wanted to take a guy of the same position who is a LARGE step down. I believe with the other pick out of that trade they got Gerhardt!!! Great trade, for their first round pick Minny settlede for two career backups when they could have had a quality CB. The whole world knows that Cook is not fast enough to ever be a quality CB in the league. and they wonder why their secondary sux…

  19. ted1sheckler says: Apr 3, 2011 6:20 PM

    Jimmy: The Vikings have a better chance at going .500, than your penis has of ever being inside of a vagina.

    This is post of the year. Maybe now he will finally see he’s a loser and needs to get a girl/boyfriend and quit trolling the boards.

  20. znorseman:
    “Palmer and Kolb would be fine, but the Eagles likely want too much for Kolb (a first round pick is too much for an unproven guy) and nobody is sure if the Bengals will even trade Palmer, and if they did, what the asking price would be.”

    A first round pick is too much for an unproven guy? The last time I checked there hasn’t been a rookie QB that has been ‘proven’. As a Vikings fan I would much rather trade our 1st than grab a QB at 12, especially this year when there are so many flaws in all of the ‘top 4’.

  21. Vikes have too many holes to fill. Don’t draft a QB.Go with Webb – they need help with both lines and the entire secondary . . .

  22. I think Joe Webb is a great prospect worth sticking to for the Vikings. He showed in very limited time that he can learn and execute well. They could also bring in Carson Palmer to start the season and continue to mentor Webb for a couple more seasons, and that would be a good move too.

  23. Trade down and draft Locker or Dalton. Maybe Ponder? Let him watch and learn this year. We all know who will be starting this year.

    Skol Vikings!


  24. JimmySmith says: Apr 3, 2011 9:01 PM

    I already have 6 kids and your wife didn’t seem to think it was an issue at all.

    Give it up Jimmy, you got punk’d, but good.

    Say goodnight to your brood of 6: sleepy, doc, happy, sneezy, bashful and grumpy- being you are the 7th- dopey. Maybe you can also be the new 8th- Troll.

  25. Jimmy has six kids hey, not quite sure why he hates Minnesota so much since he leeches off our welfare system and collects free health care and food stamps for his ugly ass kids.

  26. You call that “punked” My version of Punked is to be a pre season favorite to go to the Superbowl and end up in last place behind the Lion’s.

    Sound fimilar?

  27. hey mountaindot,how many times are you going to post the same comment?

  28. shiftyshellshocked says:
    Apr 3, 2011 9:52 PM
    hey mountaindot,how many times are you going to post the same comment?

    He’s just trying to irritate people now…. He knows that no one is even bothering to read it anymore. I thought about going through and counterpointing everything on his list with something from Packers history, but I’m not that bored….

  29. Why do I think Leslie is trying to bluff in a game on Indian Poker? Maybe Gabbert falls? Might not be a bad pick. Might be Cam too though. Thing is, are the vikes patient enough?

  30. I will continue to post this until it is acknowledged, and unlike the offender here, I’m going to say it in a different way.

    mountaindot needs to be dealt with for spamming, as posting the same thing over and over again is just that. Please deal with him.

  31. I agree… the vikes should trade down and pick up at least a 3rd and possibly another in a later round.

    I like mallet, kaepernick, and maybe ponder. i think we need a strong arm… thus mallet and kaepernick….. mallet cant scramble so im in favor of kaepernick… i havent seen any of them play except for youtube… based on that i like kaepernick then mallet then ponder…. i hear this years draft is weak at offensive lineman….. or tackles… if thats the case we probably wont get one in the upper rounds…. we will mostlikely pick up some in rounds 5 thru 7….

    my favorite player in the draft is by far patrick peterson….. amazing.

  32. goombar2 says:
    Apr 4, 2011 2:21 AM
    Why do I think Leslie is trying to bluff in a game on Indian Poker? Maybe Gabbert falls? Might not be a bad pick. Might be Cam too though. Thing is, are the vikes patient enough?

    I’m not so sure…… I just don’t think it is all that beneficial, even if they think one or the other is the real deal. The only player I can possibly see them taking with the #12 at this point is Julio Jones. I know it sounds weird, but if Rice is gone, then whoever the QB is will have a tough time. Jones could step in from day 1 and help that. If that is not the road they take, then they would be foolish not to trade down. The worst thing that can happen is to have another terrible season and get themselves in the running for Luck/Jones/Barkley, who at this point all would be taken before Newton or Gabbert, IMO.

  33. If you’re right brew, Jones might be the pick… I also wonder about LT and picking Castonzo.

    All mockery aside, the vikes are just not going to have a good year and will be vying for a top 10. If I were a fan, I’d rather they shore up the line before a Wr.

    That way if you do get “Luck”y, you don’t end up like Detroit watching your season end after the first game.

  34. The thing is, though, there are really no elite linemen in this draft. Tyron Smith might be, but he is a project. There are several who are likely to be solid players and present little risk, but that can be had by trading down. None of them, not Solder, Pouncey, Castonzo, Carimi, or any of the rest are worth the 12 pick.

    I won’t argue that OL would be the smarter way to go. I wouldn’t mind Solder or Sherrod, myself. But if the selection is made at #12, than only one pick would not upset me. well, Amukamura wouldn’t upset me either, but that is less of a need, and surely signals the beginning of a rebuild.

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