Players aren’t interested in NFL’s offer to meet with Cohen

AP

Here’s how Florio summarized the latest letter writing campaign between the NFLPA* and NFL:  “One side continues to speak French while the other side is speaking German at a time when both sides need to find a way to get back to English.”

They can’t even agree on a translator.

Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the players are not interested in the league’s offer to resume talks with federal mediator George Cohen.   They feel that talks with Cohen were unproductive last time and would likely be unproductive again.

That’s no surprise, because it’s been their position for weeks.

The NFL doesn’t want to enter mediation under the watch of the federal court in Minnesota, despite Judge Susan Nelson’s encouragement to do so.   That’s no surprise either, because they have made it clear they don’t want to negotiate a settlement in the Brady antitrust case.

The only surprise at this point would be if the NFL and its players stopped embarrassing themselves and acted like they cared about fans.

58 responses to “Players aren’t interested in NFL’s offer to meet with Cohen

  1. Ever since the miscreants and reprobates, otherwise known as the NFLPA, hired that ugly little dwarf, De Dig IT, their sole plan has been to litigate. They don’t want to negotiate a new CBA, they want to dictate one with the help of left wing judges in Minnesota.

  2. I’m sure they care about fans. They care about their money a bit more. Shocking I know.

  3. I don’t understand what the players want. They have stated they want to continue negotiations. Yet they don’t want a mediator now. Why not? The owners have also stated they want to continue negotiations. Yet nobody is negotiating. There is no way a bunch of guys who play football for a living are going to outwit a bunch of guys who make and negotiate huge deals for a living. It would be in the best interest of the players to have a mediator so they don’t get ripped off! It would also be in the players’ best interest to not have De Smith representing them since he has shown himself to be completely incompetent.

  4. Let the players sit. Bring in new players. It will make things interesting. I would support the league with replacement players.

    Spread the wealth. Let the fatcats sit out and bring in players WHO REALLY NEED THE MONEY.

    Fans have had enough. There is nothing more easily replaceable than an ADULT MALE WHO PLAYS A CHILD’S GAME FOR A LIVING.

  5. I don’t know what is more disappointing, the government shutdown or this CBA disagreement.

    Both conflicts have one thing in common. Two parties that care more about disagreeing with the other side than fixing the problem.

    The only difference is I can do without football, but I am in the military so I cannot do without the gov.

    Why can’t we all just get along!? (in best Rodney King voice)

  6. The owners and players are acting like 5 year old children, maybe I over estimate them, arguing over their favorite toy. They should both be sent to their rooms without dinner.

  7. Saying the NFL acting like they care about the fans is like saying the congress republicans care about the middle class, that is if there are any left. Bill

  8. Cohen isn’t under the eyes of Doty. That’s why the players won’t agree.

    Even a third grader could figure that out.

  9. The problem is the mediation with Cohen is completely unbinding. The league can just use it as a PR tool to say “look we’re still trying to do a deal” as they did a few weeks back, despite them not giving up much more than they were willing to before mediation.

    The players want something binding or at least with a serious incentive for the NFL to actually try.

  10. “The only surprise at this point would be if the NFL and its players stopped embarrassing themselves and acted like they cared about fans.”

    Give me a break. They think their livelihood is more important than our entertainment, and they are right. As if Ggreg or anyone else at PFT wouldn’t be so much more benevolent.

  11. Both sides have rejected the other side’s conditions for mediation.

    What the fans should be thinking is :

    “Shame on both of them”.

    Yet all of the posts on here will either say the owners are right and the players are a bunch of spoiled millionaires, or the players are right and the owners are a bunch of corrupt billionaires.

    Why is that? Is Fanboy Nation just so completely obsessed with the idea that you have to take a side that they can’t understand the concept of seeing both sides of an argument?

    Or are they so ingrained with the Good Guy/Bad Guy dynamic (My team good! Your team bad!) that they can’t come to grips with the fact that both sides may in fact be wrong here?

    Another thing I find fascinating is that most of the posters here who are classic Fanboys- buying and wearing $200 jerseys with their favorite players names on them, hero worshipping their team’s players on here and brutally ripping anyone who dares criticize their heroes, etc. etc., are the one savagely ripping the players on these issues.

    Meanwhile, people like myself, who just love the game and don’t have a particular interest in a team or worship any particular player are able to see merit in the players’ arguments while recognizing the owners’ rights to protect their investments.

    News Flash:

    We don’t live in a world of black and white. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

  12. Stick a fork in me, I’m done.
    I am totally whipped and no longer care. These back and forth dualing statements are stupid and moronic. When they get back to talking and making real progress towards a agreement…wake me up.

  13. Why does this not surprise me. They did not want to negotiate a few weeks back and they do not want to negotiate today. They think they can do it through the court and possible kill the golden goose. Why? I do not know.

  14. I wouldn’t mind leaving it the way it is. Lift the lockout, so the off season can begin.

    Ps
    No one would pay to watch replacement players, and the networks wouldn’t air it.

  15. “The only surprise at this point would be if the NFL and its players stopped embarrassing themselves and acted like they cared about fans.”

    I love that last line! I don’t expect either the players or owners to care about the fans as people. I know I don’t spend one second thinking about them when I’m trying to negotiate my salary or move upwards in my career.

    However, they should definitely care about fans as customers and consumers. That $9 billion pie exists because the fans make it so. I for one am starting to get very tired about all this and I’m not going to look at any of them the same when they finally get this resolved and then start talking about how they play for the love of the game and all that crap. It’s all about the money. We get it.

    So why not move on so you can make more?

  16. saberstyd75, I can understand your frustration at what is going on in the federal government. The irony is that if the feds do shut down, the clowns in Congress and the White House will get their paychecks, but the folks in the armed forces won’t.

    Amazing. Hope you and yours make it through this ok.

  17. a. hobart, one minor issue. most players may be adults physically. but not emotionally or mentally.

    b. rodney beat the crap out of those cops for a long time before they got him under control and the film of the earlier part didnt get released. he was higher than a kite. the dimrats wont cut any spending. the gop is at least trying. and i work for fedgov. they are going to pay everyone no matter when budgets pass. the dimrats had all 2010 and a little of 2011 to pass their version of a fy2011 budget. they couldnt pass their own because it was so bad they couldnt get enough dimrat votes.

  18. Enjoy the poverty lines, your foreclosed mansions, and your repossessed cars NFLPA.

    Im done with your greed.

    Bring on the scabs!!!!!!!!!!!.

  19. Both side are at fault. But you got these players getting pay very good money but all they say is I am putting my life on the game. Ok I get that but most of them getting millions of dollars for that and when you compare that to the real heroes that are in a real war risking they life that is the military personal getting only most of them < 30 k a year. Owners and player need to get a deal done for the sake of the NFL. I am getting tire of this bull-crap.

  20. One thing the NFL and the NFLPA* can agree on is that they can’t agree on jacks–t!

    Let’s get it together…Next it’ll be a disagreement on who gets to park closer to the building!

  21. HAHAHA!

    This site’s huge amount of astroturfing for the NFL and the union would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic and obvious.

    All the polls confirm that the overwhelming majority of fans SIDE WITH THE PLAYERS!!

    We side with the NFLPA for the same reason that the courts tend to side with them…BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT.

  22. You know what? The players and owners deserve each other. Thank goodness the people in charge are in charge of the things they’re in charge of.

  23. Litigation appears to have been the players’ strategy ever since DeMucus Smith weaseled his way into control.

    This is his big chance to make a political name for himself and as such is probably a stepping stone.

    The players have empowered him and so far his most positive move has been to expand his array of pimping hats.

    There’s an old saying “Every country gets the Government it deserves”. This is an example in microcosm.

    Now get a deal done and for pity’s sake try to learn something from this fiasco.

  24. The players are too stupid to see the writing on the wall. They need to get over themselves. Self important jerks!

  25. Can we get two T&Rs? One with this stuff and one with the team needs and etc.? Just until this all blows over. Than I don’t care if its mixed in, just not when it dominates. I know it can’t be helped. Its the story but throw me a life saver, baseball and Golf are great but … you know.

  26. wannabeqb says:
    Apr 7, 2011 5:26 PM
    The problem is the mediation with Cohen is completely unbinding. The league can just use it as a PR tool to say “look we’re still trying to do a deal” as they did a few weeks back, despite them not giving up much more than they were willing to before mediation.

    The players want something binding or at least with a serious incentive for the NFL to actually try.
    ————————–
    Not true. If both sides negotiate in good faith, rather than try to one-up the other side, and a new CBA is agreed to, that would be completely “binding”

  27. What is it with this site, is it owned by the NFL owners, or is it just their flunky employees here doing the posting for them? 70% of the fans across the nation side with the players yet 80% of the dopes who post here are for the owners. Must be a bunch of corporate owners who play around posting here while their employees make them rich. Come on, lay on the thumbs down you ignorant fools.

  28. The reason the NFLPA* will not formally agree to a new CBA is because the whole exercise is about getting a result with the anti-trust case. To finally have that generic issue in sport re-opened in court. It’s perhaps even being driven by forces above and outside the players themselves. Look how many anti-trust lawsuits are occurring at the moment related to football: the NFL, American Needle, EA Sports.

  29. I like football and I don’t care if its these players or replacement players.
    If these players don’t like the owners and how they run the NFL they should start their own league.

  30. Brady et al want to break up the league. The only way they can is through the courts. Breaking up the league is *not* in the interest of the fans. Just who was Maske referring to when he tweeted “The players’ side believes talks with Cohen would be unproductive…”? Did he canvass all 1900? Did he ask the non-certified non-sham non-union’s ex-Executive Director?

  31. If the players want Nelson, and the owners want Cohen, why not have Cohen and Nelson choose a third-party? I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure it’s fairly standard in arbitration agreements to have each side choose an arbitrator, and have the third arbitrator be agreed upon by the two chosen arbitrators. Why not adapt that here?

  32. brutus9448 says:
    Apr 7, 2011 6:08 PM
    I like football and I don’t care if its these players or replacement players.
    If these players don’t like the owners and how they run the NFL they should start their own league.
    =========================

    So I’m assuming you watched every UFL telecast this year?

    No? Why not? Who do you think these “replacement players” you want to see so badly would be?

  33. Players are convinced they have the upper hand. This is their strategy to get every last dime by “winning” in court! I hope the case blows up in their face!
    Of course they want to negotiate in Minn, because Doty is there for the appeal. The Owners should not allow a court to decide their future!

  34. The level of stupid on every lockout topic is astonishing.

    The owners can NOT bring in new players. They are locking players out. If they end the lockout, the old players will come back. Scabs ONLY apply in strikes. This is not a strike.

  35. Brady – Kraft
    Brees – Benson
    Manning – Irsay
    Batch – Rooney

    These players and owners are parties to the lockout suit and have said how wonderful each other are. Perhaps they should be locked in a room with Cohen and get rid of all the negative influences and deal from a position of respect for each other. Lock them in the room and don’t let them out until a deal is done.

  36. bronco1st says:
    What is it with this site, is it owned by the NFL owners, or is it just their flunky employees here doing the posting for them? 70% of the fans across the nation side with the players yet 80% of the dopes who post here are for the owners. Must be a bunch of corporate owners who play around posting here while their employees make them rich. Come on, lay on the thumbs down you ignorant fools.

    Seriously!!! What’s up with everybody hating on the players on this site…? The players aren’t on strike! They got locked out! Curb your ignorance ya’ll! Thumbs up bronco1st! You ain’t alone… there are other people out there who know what’s going on…

  37. Bronco-

    “What is it with this site”- simple, this site has done a great job of educating us on all sides of the lockout. Anyone who educates themself (few people in this country) on the issues will see that the league as we know it will be ruined if the players win.

    My question is this: what is it with this country that we villify anyone who is successful and makes money? You say the majority of the country sides with the players. Doesn’t surprise me, our country is full of opinionated people who have no idea what they are talking about. We’d rather destroy our way of life completely than giving an inch on any issues. How’s that working for UAW workers? We don’t want the NFL to fall into the same trap.

    Oh, btw, my dad and older brother are UAW, they wish they would have worked with the “rich devils” instead of against them. They would still have jobs/retirement benefits.

  38. It seems like the NFL is hiring people to trash the NFLPA and the players in online forums… I can see it now… they hire a whole bunch of stooges to pose as fans posting comments on NFL sites in hopes of swaying public opinion… Whatever, it’s baseball season and the NBA playoffs start next week… screw the NFL! Much love to the players!

  39. Exactly as predicted. And what is the player’s excuse now since the owners offered to get back to the bargaining table without using this against decertification?

    Because it didn’t work last time? Really? Last time the owners caved on 18-games, caved on health insurance, caved on the overall numbers, and even started to cave on showing the financials.

    Until the players move on a single issue, this thing is going nowhere fast.

  40. “The only surprise at this point would be if the NFL and its players stopped embarrassing themselves and acted like they cared about fans.”

    This statement just about sums it all up. This childs play is really turning me away from Football.

  41. This is all very simple:

    Barring Judge Nelson finding that the lockout is illegal and business returning to normal under the former CBA rules until more is worked out either through litigation (probable) or negotiation (improbable), the back and forth will continue into the regular season. Once the players miss a sufficient number of paychecks, they will cave (or at least agree to something in the middle – which they could choose to do now). At that point, a new CBA will be reached and the NFL will resume with a significantly smaller fan base (unless they play scabs – something I would be in favor of as I enjoyed it last time) ala baseball. It will take years to recover and the billions of revenue lost will pale in comparison to what they’re fighting over now. Just don’t look for these sides to get back to negotiating any time soon (unless it is court ordered). Mediation doesn’t mean squat unless the sides are committed to it – which they aren’t. Binding arbitration is the only other way here and neither side will ever agree to that.

    Give me the UFL, give me scabs, give me Arena League, and give me college ball because I am ‘this’ close to being done with the greed and the sissy new rules.

    As far as either side caring about the fans? Child, please.

  42. This is a slick move by the owners.

    The players refuse to go back to the mediation because “it didn’t work” which I guess means the owners caving on 18-games, caving on health insurance, caving on practice times, and starting to cave on the financial transparency is “not working?”

    Wow.

    In one simple request, which the players rejected, the owners proved several things that may have merit in the courts:

    1. The players were not interested in negotiating with George Cohen, but were headed for litigation all along. (otherwise, why not negotiate now? There’s no decertification issue anymore.)

    2. The financial transparency issue was a smoke-screen to hide the fact they ALSO wanted a new CBA under the supervision of a court over-seeing an anti-trust settlement. (otherwise, why not negotiate why all the court stuff is moving? It’s not like they HAVE to come to an agreement if the owners offer something they don’t like. So why? Because they don’t want an agreement outside of an anti-trust settlement, that’s why. Which means it’s not JUST financial transparency and never was.)

    3. The owners are willing to put their court case at risk by negotiating without holding it against decertification, thereby putting their own court case at risk. The players, however, value their court case more than they value striking a deal.

    The players just got owned.

  43. After Judge Nelson ended the meeting, Mr. Smith said on TV ” the players just want to play football and do it for the fans” Then the NFL says lets have a meeting but Mr. Smith does not want it in Washington with the same people and a couple of other reasons, maybe they could have it at his house with the owners and the players lawyers and Smith can serve the kool aid.

  44. Watching this Cat Fight is more fun then watching most NFL games of late. A NFL Fan my entire Life and Season Ticket Holder I could care less if or when a deal is worked out.

    The more I think about it, it would be nice with no NFL this year. It would free up my Sundays to be able to do so many other things, not to mention the money it will save me.

    No Direct TV Sunday Ticket costs, my family and I are not renewing our season tickets this year, parking, tailgating, food & drink and gear we are done with.

    If the NFL was still in action we could never do it, but they kind of are forcing us to do it. And it feels good, kind of like having a Monkey taken off our backs.

    To the Players and the Owners, never meet and do not play a game this year or forever for all I care. The game has fallen so far that you tell me any other time in NFL History you could start Rookie QB’s by the Bushel?, you cannot because it could never happen. And not because the Rookie QB’s are any better, the game as a whole is a Shell of what it once was.

  45. It’s just a pissing contest at this point. Hopefully the judge tells the owners to get bent, lifts the lockout, and tells them to get their asses back in a room and hammer out an agreement like grown men.

  46. This is starting to get tiring.

    We need more stories about Ben’s Honeymoon…which was the hardest I laughed all week. …Romance is so wonderful…as are traditional moral values.

    Going from Rapist to alter boy…they must make a movie…..

    Now..back to this dispute thing…..We all are starting to want rookies & replacement players…and we all [ except Deb that is]…could care less about players missing a year/2 of pay checks.

  47. This board is a joke. You have to be short brain cells to “side” with the Owners OR the Players. All you posters who think you know more than the next guy are even funnier. What a bunch of tools. You read one biased article and run with it like you’re teaching a class. There is greed on both sides and this is going to play itself out one way or another. Bitching about who’s right and who’s wrong just shows how uneducated on the matter you really are as a fan. The posters who come across strongest in their opinions are the dumbest of the lot. That’s a fact.

    Both sides are wrong period. The fact that all this is getting aired out in the media shows zero integrity across the board. Shut the doors, shut your mouths and get a deal done.

  48. The comments here are focused on the players’ refusal to participate in mediation under George Cohen, aka the typewriter.

    What about the owners’ refusal to participate in mediation under Judge Nelson?

    Both sides want to negotiate in the forum they believe is most favorable for their side. There is nothing surprising about that.

    It’s also not surprising that the comments here are overwhelmingly slanted in favor of the owners even though both parties have essentially done the same thing.

    Perhaps the owners will become more flexible once Judge Doty rules on the damages they owe the players for failing to maximize revenues under the CBA they opted out of.

    P.S. I’m curious if those calling for replacement players remember the games played in the 1987 season with replacements. Those games were a joke. I support my favorite team as much as anyone but it’s absurd to suggest that fans will be interested in watching a bunch of unknowns. Furthermore, there would likely to be sympathy strikes by union workers in stadiums so the entire scene will be pretty sad.

  49. Hey Gregg, Can you write lockout articles from now on? It’s good not to have a biased whack at the owners and instead an honest whack at both parties.

  50. Both sides are wrong period. !!!!!!!!!

    True….True…..True !!…and, both sides are extremley arrogant and bullheaded!! They both think they are right and have no intention of sitting down at the table to negotiate a new CBA. Nothing is going to happen unless it is forced upon both parties. The litigation has no chance of being resoved, through the courts, forcing a settlement, before the season starts. This should never have happened and the fans are caught up in the middle ! Many fans have lost all respect for the parties of both sides and, because of this, when the games do return…… will not be looked upon as they were before this all started !! I wont buy a stadium ticket to support either side !! It is a shame that Greed is destroying the game !!!!!

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