Vick says he wouldn’t change anything about his life if he could

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As we approach the fourth anniversary of the discovery of a dogfighting operation on property owned by Mike Vick in rural Virginia, Vick says that, based on where he is today, he would change nothing about his past.

“I’m happy that I turned out to be the person I am, and I wouldn’t change anything about my life if I could,” Vick told the Wall Street Journal, via the Philadelphia Daily News.  “As crazy as this may sound, going to prison really changed my life.  I was able to go in and come out with a plan.”

We think we understand what he’s saying.  But we’re not sure he understands the import of his words.

Yes, he perhaps needed to go to prison to really change his life, since he was inclined to listen to no one before doing time.  Still, to say he wouldn’t change anything about his life could be interpreted as a lack of genuine remorse for the things he did that put him in prison.

It’s a Machiavellian view of his life experiences, the equivalent of saying, “Yeah, I did some really bad things and, yeah, I paid a really big price for it, but since I like where I am now and I wouldn’t be here if I hadn’t gone through all that, then I’m OK with the things I did.”

Even though he says he wouldn’t undo the things he did if he could, he realizes that some will never forgive him for the things he did.  Even though he thinks they should.

“At some point I think you let bygones be bygones,” he said. “I think some people will never forget.  Some people will.  But I think that’s just the reality of the situation I created for myself.”

The situation that he wouldn’t change if he could.

Of all the adjectives that have been used over the years to describe Vick, perhaps the most accurate is the most simple:  Selfish.  Based on the things he told the Wall Street Journal, that’s one thing about his life that possibly hasn’t changed.  And that possibly never will.

Still, selfish and law-abiding is a whole lot better than selfish and dogfighting.

89 responses to “Vick says he wouldn’t change anything about his life if he could

  1. I don’t think you can blame Vick for the statement. I’ve heard a lot of people say similar things in similar contexts. Everything you experience in life shapes your sense of self. Sometimes people need wake up calls. Vick got his, and he wouldn’t have if he didn’t go to prison.

  2. Here we go…over/under 100 comments. Vick is up to the closet racist and the bitter “I hate NFL player” guy. Have at it stupid people.

  3. Forget selfish; how about psychopathic! 😈

    Showboat, lousy QB and a worse person. The sooner he is gone from the Eagles, the happier THIS longtime fan will be. 8)

  4. The plan coming out of prison is to not go back to prison. Which pretty much defines the purpose of the institution.

  5. That really takes away from the whole perspective that he’s actually resmorseful for killing all those dogs.

    Granted I never believed in him the first place. Give a hoodrat a million dollars and it only makes him a million dollar hoodrat

  6. I have a hard time forgetting the throwing normal housepet dogs in with trained killer fighting dogs and watching them get slaughtered just for laughs.

    I would think he should at least want to change that part. It’s not like today Vick is some sort of Jonas Salk or something.

  7. I didn’t have to kill dogs, gamble, then lie to the police in order to learn humbling things about respect, discipline, and honesty.

    Of course there are still things I’d change if I could do things over.

  8. I get what he’s saying (he’s a better person for having gone through what he did), but he could have said it in a much better way (like “though, of course, I wouldn’t have fought dogs”)

  9. “What about saying you would do my show and then canceling? Would you change that you SOB?”

    Oprah Winfrey

  10. Pre-prison Mike Vick i couldnt stand. He was a piss poor example of a QB. He was a glorified RB. He had a cannon of an arm, but couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. His 40% completion percentage proves that. I hated how everybody thought he was the best QB in the league. Nothing made me happier than when the Saints beat the Falcons twice in his final season with the team. Then watching him give the one finger salute to the ATL fans was priceless. I said to myself that he was showing his true colors.

    How having said that, i am glad the man has turned his life around and that should be an example to quite a few folks around the NFL. He has actually learned to play the position of QB. I hope he does well in life, BUT if the eagles meet the Saints in the playoffs, i hope he gets his ass handed to him

  11. KevsRight is an idiot.

    Lousy QB? Right.

    Don’t believe a word this character says!

    As we all know, any self-respecting, long-time fan of the Eagles would never use emoticons!

    Leave that for Cowgirl fans.

    HEY OH!

  12. So Vick should be punished because, like the Wall Street Journal, you cherry picked a portion of his words and decided not to take the overall validity of his statement that he needed prison to change his life?

    Not surprised. Your site is only catering to its base.

  13. My personal philosophy has always been that you can send someone to prison and that may convince them that they can’t do what they did before anymore because they don’t want to go back.

    But you can’t change what is in someone’s heart, and you can’t change what they are capable of.

    And what Mike Vick is capable of is throwing untrained house pets in the pit bull pens and laughing and joking while the pit bulls ripped the house pets to shreds.

    From the 11/22/08 New York Daily News:

    Vick placed family pet dogs in the fighting ring as trained pit bulls “caused major injuries” to the pets. Vick and two associates, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips, “thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs.”

    All of you Vick supporters need to wrap your heads around that.

  14. As an NFL fan, my inclination is to pass judgement on the skills and quality of play of each individual. I am not an NFL fan to judge the character of these players when they are off the field, that’s for the media to make a soap opera of. TRUE fans whole-heartedly pour themselves into the game, while the soap opera around the game is created to hook in an audience with limited interest in the game of football. Is a fake fan going to tell you about a QB’s 3rd down completion percentage…or will he/she be more inclined to mention a shady past or lack of morals concerning a player? The latter…

  15. He obviously means that prison changed his life for the better. He learned from his mistakes and stint in prison. Everyone has something that they regret they did in their life. If you can’t admit that, then your fraud. Get some facts and come back and see me.

  16. I wish everyone who had ugly comments to say about vick,never ever makes a mistake…You know in life sometimes,you look back and say to your self,I would not be the man i am today if i did not go through what i went through…We all have things happen to us that makes us change in some way .For some to look at it like,he is glad he went through that ,is down right crazy…Before we say any thing about any one,i think we really should put our selves in that persons place,and think of the mistakes we made.some we got caught doing,some we will take to the grave.

  17. I know people that have gone to prison and have found that to be a defining time for them. Many don’t fix a broken life, but some do. Vick very well may have fixed his broken life, because of prison.
    I get it.

  18. duanethomas, you seem like a smart individual so I ask you…why is it racist to dislike someone who is a criminal who a person is not sure if they believe has turned over a new leaf or not?
    Is it racist to dislike anyone of a different race for actual concrete reasons?

  19. I am not offended by the dogfighting, but it becomes more apparent that he is running a PR campaign that gets politician on the left elected….and their is little substance to what he has said…..or done.
    Anybody truly sorry about what he had done? along the supposed horrid crime, would change something about his life a 2nd time around.

  20. What he should have said was he doent regret the way things turned out, cause admitting he does’nt regret the whole Bad Newz Kennel thing is going to enrage a lot of people.

  21. franklamar says:
    Apr 14, 2011 6:18 PM
    I wish everyone who had ugly comments to say about vick,never ever makes a mistake…
    =========

    I don’t necessarily mean to belittle your opinion, but calling what Mike Vick did a “mistake” is unbelievably misguided.

    A 7 year pattern of consistent law breaking and conspiracy along with unspeakable cruelty is not a “mistake”, it’s a lifestyle choice.

    You say that you hope whoever has ugly comments to make about Vick “never ever makes a mistake”.

    Well I can assure you, I have made mistakes.

    But none of them have involved defrauding people for over 7 years, torturing animals, knowingly spreading Herpes to unsuspecting women, cheating on my taxes, stealing from my business partners, lying to a grand jury, or obstructing justice.

    Just saying.

  22. Eagles fans can forget winning a SB for how ever long Vick remains their QB. All the talent in the world but is missing that one brain cell that separates winners from champions.

  23. I don’t really like Vick, but everyone is forgetting a couple of things:

    1) The “witnesses” and their “testimony” was all done to reduce their OWN jail time. They would’ve said Vick threw humans in their too if it got them less time…..which it did.

    2) A plead of guilty doesn’t mean you agree to every detail, it in essence means “I agree to say I am guilty of the overall charges whether less or more so I cant be charged for something worse”

  24. Let’s be honest, what he did was terrible, but it’s really no different than what happens to your Big Mac or McChicken before McDonalds serves it to you. The only difference is cows and chickens won’t lick peanut butter off your balls while you read PFT.

  25. no comment this piece of crap is not worth my time and to the people who think he served his time he only served two and a half years for it you get that same amount of time for driving on a suspended in virginia where he was sentenced so don’t feed me your bullsh*t and have a nice day

  26. “mtnoll says: Apr 14, 2011 7:11 PM

    Let’s be honest, what he did was terrible, but it’s really no different than what happens to your Big Mac or McChicken before McDonalds serves it to you. The only difference is cows and chickens won’t lick peanut butter off your balls while you read PFT.”

    can’t tell if your trolling or just extremely stupid

  27. “realitypolice says: Apr 14, 2011 6:07 PM

    From the 11/22/08 New York Daily News:

    Vick placed family pet dogs in the fighting ring as trained pit bulls “caused major injuries” to the pets. Vick and two associates, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips, “thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs.”

    All of you Vick supporters need to wrap your heads around that”

    the fact that people gave this comment thumbs down is shocking mike vick is a P.O.S and yes i have made mistakes in my life BUT the things he has done aren’t just simple little mistakes

  28. I hope someday Vick realizes what he did WAS wrong and not that it was merely against the law and a route to being a better person via prison.

    He thinks enduring prison changed him but does not question WHY he went to prison. Unreal.

    I’m glad he’s happy but he still does not get it.

  29. I think i know what Mike means thru my own experience – no prison mind you, but hitting the bottom, losing everything thru my own poor decisions, and then fighting my way back.

    Believe me, I wish i could be ‘here’ without having to hurt others, but i wouldn’t be ‘here’ without seeing the world from the depths of despair.

    And being surprised at the mercy some good people showed by extending a hand even though they didn’t believe in my actions…..and the scorn of those afraid to forgive.

    Again, we wish we could get there without hurting people, but it happened and we are better for it thru other’s mercy.

  30. He doesn’t care that he’s never lived up to his potential?

    I Mean if that guy had half of Peyton Manning’s work ethic, he’d be the greatest player to ever lace up. His on field problems were a result of being lazy.

  31. zzzaaasd says:
    Apr 14, 2011 7:09 PM
    I don’t really like Vick, but everyone is forgetting a couple of things:

    1) The “witnesses” and their “testimony” was all done to reduce their OWN jail time. They would’ve said Vick threw humans in their too if it got them less time…..which it did.

    2) A plead of guilty doesn’t mean you agree to every detail, it in essence means “I agree to say I am guilty of the overall charges whether less or more so I cant be charged for something worse”
    ===========================

    Do some research.

    As part of his plea, Vick admitted, in his own words, to offenses far beyond what he plead to.

    He admitted, again in his own words, to killing in tortuous ways dogs that under performed, as well as throwing untrained pets in with the pit bulls.

    This is common practice, especially with organized criminals.

    They plead guilty to X amount of counts, in exchange they agree to enter into the record confessions to multiple other charges.

  32. There’s one thing he regrets and it’s changing his name to Ron Mexico! If not I’d be able to get my 7 Mexico Eagles jersey!

    I’m still amazed at the hate directed at this guy. I don’t think he’s changed either but who cares. I like watching him on saturday’s and sundays just as much now as when he was in atlanta. Killing dogs for sport is no different than hunting animals to put their heads on your wall.

  33. How is he selfish for not wanting to change his past. You people need to get a life and move on. He doesn’t need it forgiveness, all you Vick haters I bet don’t donate a dollar or minute of your time to help animals. So do all of us a favor and stfu.

  34. All these comments from people who have never done anything wrong in their life. who live totally sinless and love everyone and everything. No hate in their hearts just totally perfect in every way. Right.

  35. Did any of you self-righteous losers listen to the whole interview or are you taking this man word as the gospel truth. The same writer that anytime Vick says anything he turns it into to negative. I guess it was selfish of him to go to a prison and talk to prisoners to. What a bunch of hypocrites who don’t do anything but blog about what a man has done in his past and keep trying him over and over because it makes you feel important. Well guess what he does not care he is moving on with his life and his family for the better so your words can’t hurt him. He has heard it all before and it is getting to the point where people with sense are saying this is ridiculous to keep harrassing this man and he is not doing anything wrong. Might be the reason he has more fans now than he did before, most humans and I said humans with a heart want a second chance he got his and is running with it and you are mad that he did not fail at it.

  36. jmt8251 says: Apr 14, 2011 7:58 PM

    “All these comments from people who have never done anything wrong in their life. who live totally sinless and love everyone and everything. No hate in their hearts just totally perfect in every way. Right.”

    They’re Republicans.
    Holding a Bible gives you the right to condemn everybody else, while you do whatever the hell you want with no consequences.

  37. A recovering person knows exactly where Vick is coming from.

    “We will not regret the past nor want to shut the door on it.”

  38. Well honestly, who would want to change this defining moment in their life:

    “As that dog lay on the ground, fighting for air, Quanis Phillips grabbed its front legs and Michael Vick grabbed its back legs. They swung the dog over their head like a jump rope then slammed it to the ground. The first impact didn’t kill it. So, Phillips and Vick slammed it again. The two men kept at it, alternating back and forth, pounding the creature against the ground until, at last, the little red dog was dead.”

  39. “Sure, a bunch of innocent animals suffered and died so my friends could bet on their misery…but, hey…I’m a better person for it so it’s all good!”

    Point: missed.

    I get what he’s trying to say, but, inadvertently, he’s saying TOO MUCH. What this really says is that HIS personal growth was really what matter–not the law breaking, not the animal cruelty. I doubt the people who’s lives were affected matter to him.

    As long as he came out “a better person” it’s all good, right?

  40. “…all you Vick haters I bet don’t donate a dollar or minute of your time to help animals…”

    My wife and I have donated money consistently since we were teenagers (we’re in our 40’s now), have volunteered time at the local sheltered, and saved several orphan kitten litters (which we hand cared for, including feeding every 3-4 hours, for days on end).

    So…YOU stfu.

    Some of us DO things to make the world a better place. Some people just piss and moan about those doing it…and let it go to hell in a hand basket.

    Which are you?

  41. helinhater says: KevsRight is an idiot
    .
    Gratuitous namecalling? Jerk.

    Lousy QB? Right.

    As in: Terrible, rotten, not good. Doesn’t recognize a blitz until it lands on him.

    Don’t believe a word this character says!

    Why not? Would I lie to YOU?

    As we all know, any self-respecting, long-time fan of the Eagles would never use emoticons!

    Translation: I don’t know how to do it, and that makes me feel even more inadequate than usual. 😛

    Leave that for Cowgirl fans.

  42. seabreezes51 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:18 PM

    I know people that have gone to prison and have found that to be a defining time for them. Many don’t fix a broken life, but some do. Vick very well may have fixed his broken life, because of prison.
    I get it.
    =====================================

    You do realize that most of the people that go to prison do not have anyone wwill to pay them $8.00 an hour to round up shopping carts, let alone millions of dollars, to come back to work right?

    Federal Penitentiary is not a self-awareness resort.

  43. kspl1 says:
    Apr 14, 2011 7:57 PM
    How is he selfish for not wanting to change his past. You people need to get a life and move on. He doesn’t need it forgiveness, all you Vick haters I bet don’t donate a dollar or minute of your time to help animals. So do all of us a favor and stfu.
    ================

    As a matter of fact, I do donate to animal rescue funds.

    But even if I didn’t, it would be irrelevant, because here is a list of other things I didn’t do:

    1) smash dogs heads against concrete and watch them bleed to death

    2) attach jumper cables to dog’s testicles to electrocute them

    3) stuff dog’s heads in water buckets to drown them

    4) put untrained pets in with pit bulls and laugh while they got torn apart

    So I think I would still be OK even if I didn’t “donate a dollar to help animal causes”.

    What a stupid point.

  44. Yes, that whole dog fighting/killing thing was how his life was supposed to turn out. Keep you mouth shut, your damned lucky you not still in the pen.

  45. 3octaveFart says:
    Apr 14, 2011 8:10 PM
    jmt8251 says: Apr 14, 2011 7:58 PM

    They’re Republicans.
    Holding a Bible gives you the right to condemn everybody else, while you do whatever the hell you want with no consequences.
    =======================

    I’m not a Republican. And I sure as hell don’t hold a bible.

    I just understand the difference between a “mistake” and a “lifetime of viscous criminal activity”.

    I am sorry you are so in the tank for Vick that you can’t tell the difference.

  46. It’s been 4 years already? Amazing how time flies.

    Vick is half right in observing time doesn’t heal all wounds. But it does bury all the bodies.

  47. @ jmt8251

    I did watch the entire interview and what it showed me is the Dawg Killa is a self absorbed, selfish, sociopathic, borderline illiterate moron.

    Whoever his handlers are, they are as stupid as he is for letting him do one on one interviews. All that comes out is ME ME ME!

    Somone needs to give this douche bag the phone number for a good psychiatrist so he can start trying to salvage something before its too late.

  48. I’m sorry, you either know in your heart killing and torturing animals is heinous or you don’t. Punishment doesn’t create compassion, it only makes you understand the social penalties of such actions.
    If eating chocolate ice cream was punishable by incarceration you would still like chocolate ice cream after serving time, though you’d think long and hard about eating it again. Once capable of animal torture, always capable..

  49. Mr. Vick,
    Do you think those DOGS would change anything about their “life” if they could? You got your money but your still a punk.

  50. philtraion:
    I never said it was.
    I am saying that some people learn a lesson from going to prison.
    I know some that have.
    It is no resort and no one is saying that it is,

  51. The man just does not get it.

    P.E.T.A. is going to eat this up.

    If Joe Sicko got out of jail after doing 25 for child rape and said the same thing it would be beyond sick.

    Fact is that is the way “Dog Lovers” are going to look at that statement.

    Killing untrained family pets in training exercises for fighting dogs made me a better person and I would do it again. I would not change a thing.

  52. It is no resort and no one is saying that it is,
    ————————————————-

    Prison is Vick’s natural environment. Just hope he winds up back in the clink before the season starts. IF there is a season.

  53. We all know what he means, hes just too stupid to say he regrets what he did but he likes where he is now. Now that he has enough money maybe he will hire someone to improve his speech and image.

  54. Why would he change anything? He’s got big money rolling in again, w/o all the debt and people go out of their way to help/champion him.

  55. I read his statement as saying “I am happy where I am now, and if a bunch of innocent dogs had to die to make me happy now, then I am ok with that. Because, bottom line, I needed to change and the dogs dying to help me do that is fine.”

    However…I don’t think he really meant that when he said it. I think he meant to say, “I made some really bad mistakes and I am a better person. If I had not been put in jail, I wouldn;t be who I am now so I wouldn;t change the part of going through jail. What? The dogs? Oh yeah, I wish they hadn’t had to die … I’d change that”

    but the dogs dying wasn’t on his mind.

  56. @realitypolice…….actually its not a stupid point. There are so many more things to be upset about that affect your life than worrying about Vick. Govt wasting money on wars, rich businesses not paying taxes(GE), teachers losing jobs and massive cut to education. U dumb a$@” people get so worked up about stupid ish that doesn’t affect u whatsoever but won’t show the same passion to show outrage over real issues where your life is affected. I think what mike Vick did was horrible and at first I was pissed about it. But reality set in, I moved on and I could care less now, it’s not worth my energy or yours to waste time hating him. Everyone on pft should be screaming at their congressmen to get the govt to stop wasting all our money

  57. @lostsok…..kudos to u, good, I’m happy u do contribute to animals. I’m a consistent donator to the humane society and have adopted stray cats and a dog. I love animals and hated vick for what he did. It’s been 4 years a
    D time to direct your energy elsewhere. While u harp on Vick there r thousands of animals being abused and no one cares because your outrage won’t get you on tv. My point is move on, it’s old, there are much more important things to dorect your energy to

  58. So Vick wouldn’t want to undo his subhuman treatment of the numerous dogs he willingly, knowingly, deliberately brutalized and killed? Because it led to his prison sentence and made him a better person for the experience?

    What a creep.

  59. I didn’t like Mike Vick when he was a star, I didn’t like him when he started becoming Ron Mexico, didn’t like him when the dog killing scandal broke, didn’t like him when he was in prison, and I still don’t like him post-prison.

    I can’t judge him because I don’t know him. But he just gives off the aura of someone who is unlikeable, regardless if he’s remorseful or not for the actual dog killing (which was his worst offense).

  60. @wigwam

    you act like the “subhuman treatment of the numerous dogs he willingly, knowingly, deliberately brutalized and killed” is a bad thing. The less dogs in the world the better place it’ll be. Vick, keep focusing on what’s really important, let the tree-hugers kiss their own butts.

  61. To whom it may concern:

    When you are making your decision as to what responses get posted and what ones do not, know that you are also dictating the overall view of this site. It is also rather frustrating that there are NO GUIDELINES as to what will/won’t make the cut. Who the heck wants to sign up through WordPress to be able to blog to only find out that it is a waste of time?

  62. No one would accuse Vick as being a scholar. He is clearly to dense to understand what has happened and why it did. He gives reason to the claim that football players are dumb.

  63. Most of you are just Vick haters. It takes courage to accept what you did and move on. Cowards would wish they could run away from their problems. The great ones are the ones that accept their mistakes and become wiser for them. Bravo Vick! You gained a new fan; disregard these idiots and go do what you do. Just the fact that Vick is rich and you all are struggling just kills most of you. May the perfect soul cast the first stone.

  64. ^^^^

    Personally, I would rather be dirt poor and have a SOUL and a CONSCIENCE than be filthy rich and be the mentally ill scum sucking ghetto trash known as Michael Vick the Dawg Killa.

    But that’s just me!

  65. Self absorbed piece of trash given media attention for every self absorbed statement he makes. Carry on.

  66. That means he doesn’t regret what he did, which I STILL believe he isn’t actually sorry. He is going through the motions, saying what he is told to say,etc. You aren’t exactly dealing with the smartest person. Eagles fan here too.

  67. Yup, Vick, you can’t change anything about your life. Once a dog killer, always a dog killer.

  68. realsportstalker says:

    It takes courage to accept what you did and move on. Cowards would wish they could run away from their problems.

    The problem is that Vick didn’t accept what he did. When confronted about the dog fights, he lied about it to the commissioner, he lied about it to Arthur Blank and he lied about it to the fans of the Atlanta Falcons. It was only after his co-defendants agreed to testify against Vick and he was facing serious prison time, did Vick finally admit he bankrolled the operation and personally tortured several animals to death.

    That, my friend, is the actions of a coward by every definition of the word.

    Perhaps you have confused Vick with Donte Stallworth. He clocked a guy with his car after a few drinks, stopped, called 911 and waited for the authorites to arrive. He didn’t lie about what happened to anyone, didn’t try to run away from his problems and accepted his fate like a man.

  69. Seriously can we stop playing god and judging people? Who the heck cares what words he used. Damn can our world just stop judging already? So worried about what words someone used to say something? Seriously? God help us!!!

  70. Shame on you EAGLES organization and shame on you NFL. This is the message you are sending to our youth and society???? It’s okay to commit abuse, violent acts and death upon animals – as long as the person that committed these are a better person for them. All for your golden boy…

  71. To listen to people talk about “judgment & God help us” in regards to Vick is fools gold. The posts talking about the “let those without sin cast the first stone” is more fools talk. The SCIENTISTS that study human behavior say that intentionally torturing animals is some of the sickest things we has humans can do. Vick wasn’t worried about God when he gave Sonia Elliott herpes knowing he had it. Why is the group that constantly defends Vick keep making references to church. Church has NOTHING to do with the things Mike Vick did for FUN. He’s a very sick man that no amount of forgiveness or religious talk changes what he did & deep down inside what he is.

    Religion holds our species back, and that is an absolute fact. Nothing good has come of it, in the thousands of years the misguided have believed it. Just wars, genocide, pedophilia(by not letting priests marry), and hate. Why is some back woods preacher in Alabama or Georgia or Mississippi more knowing with his AGENDA then an educated doctor that can produce clinical fact & examples? When you think about it, Vick defenders with all their “forgiveness” talk really have no idea how silly they sound.

    Wake up Vick defenders!! The guy is just NO GOOD & no amount of the syrup you try & pour on this POS makes him pancakes.

  72. I’d like to think this statement puts to rest any thought that he was genuinely remorseful for what he did to those dogs….though I know it’ll mean nothing to Vick apologists.
    Michael Vick’s remorse is that he got caught. Period.
    He’s trying to convince us that after five years of doing this his “moment of clarity” was right around the corner and he was going to get out of it real soon.
    Said he didn’t realize that what he was doing was wrong…though the fighting was held in black painted buildings way out in the woods.
    After 5 years? Who would actually believe that?
    The only remorse he has is he got caught.

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