Pioli explains the intersection between scouting and The Breakfast Club

In recent weeks, several of you have mentioned a certain ’80s-era Brat Pack film in conjunction with the antitrust lawsuit pending against the NFL in Minnesota.

“I loved Judge Nelson in The Breakfast Club,” at least one PFT reader has said.

But The Breakfast Club has separate relevance to the NFL, as explained by Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli during Monday’s edition of PFT Live.  Expanding on an interview he gave earlier this month to Joel Thorman of ArrowheadPride.com, Pioli talked about the value of finding folks like “Carl the Janitor,” who has a low level of power or influence but who is in position to see and hear a lot of important things.

Pioli said that, in researching draft picks, he looks for one or more “Carl the Janitors,” men and women who can provide something more meaningful than the spit-and-polished version of the player that the teams get when they visit with a prospect.

And Pioli should know.  He once was a “Carl the Janitor” himself, driving visiting players from the airport to team facilities while working for the Browns under Bill Belichick.  And Pioli paid attention to the things that a player said and did while in the car, since the players didn’t always realize that Pioli was taking notes on how they acted.

Though disclosure of that dynamic could make visiting players even more guarded when visiting with teams, the damage already has been done at the college and high school level by the time the player ever shows up at the facility of an NFL team.

The challenge for NFL teams is to find those “Carl the Janitors.”

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18 responses to “Pioli explains the intersection between scouting and The Breakfast Club

  1. “I loved Judge Nelson in The Breakfast Club,” at least one PFT reader has said.
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    Judge Nelson ???

    Oh wait, he must have been the guy that sentenced Judd Nelson to detention that day !

  2. I don’t know if making them aware of the fact they are being evaluated at all times while in the presence of anyone associated with the team will reduce the quality of the information much. I have read stories from Pioli when he was with the Pats where he said guys (FA) were summarily dismissed when their questions about flying first class and dining in nice restaurants seemed to be more important to them than football stuff. Heck even Rodney Harrison joked about having to eat at the Ground Round when meeting with the Pats in FA but he didn’t mind because BB clearly knew what he offered from a football standpoint. Rosey Colvin talked about how he loved visiting the Pats because they were about steak and not sizzle.

    Bottom line, some teams simply do not mind “putting on the Ritz” for the guys in FA and some don’t mind if certain “negatives” pop up because they don’t see them as “negatives”. Some do mind because to them it’s not what they want to see priority wise in guys on their teams.. And good evaluators will figure out what they want to know regardless.

    Let’s face it we all make judgments based on guys doing interviews and all of them know they are on a public stage at all times and some STILL do dumb things and say ridiculous stuff. Character will come out, one way or another, whether it is good or bad…always.

  3. Every year Scott takes dozens of players off his draft list because they didn’t lift the lid in the lavoratory or recycle their drink containers.

  4. For a second there I thought you were going to say that the CBA talks were social; demented but social.

    Oh and most likely Goodell and De Smith have raided Barry Manilow’s wardrobe.

  5. any players who is not being taught that every moment they are in teams setting is being watched, should fire their agent, people or whoever is guiding them.
    To think that your not being watched every moment of your “interview” is just silly.

  6. I would rather look for the Carl the Greenskeeper because he was much more entertaining with his antics at Bushwood than the Carl the Janitor.

    … but that’s just me.

  7. hobartbaker says:
    Apr 18, 2011 3:32 PM
    Every year Scott takes dozens of players off his draft list because they didn’t lift the lid in the lavoratory or recycle their drink containers.
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    HB,

    For so long I despised you…..your rush to be the first respondent, your forced humor……..it all wrankled me to no end……I thought you a troll of the first order!! Then you actually entered some very timely and humorous posts…..PLEASE, you’ve shown true wit at times…and it is appreciated, but sometimes LESS IS MORE!!! Read your posts before you enter them…if they’re less than your best, PLEASE SPARE US!!!

  8. No Super Bowls for Carl the Janitor. But, everybody has to start somewhere. Luck and finding a diamond in the rough is not the way to build your team.

  9. “Very nice, Brian. All the food groups are represented. Did your mom marry Mr. Rogers”?….”No…Mr. Johnson”.

  10. It’s also important to note that each year Pioli tries to draft a brain…
    and an athlete…
    and a basket case…
    and a princess…
    and a criminal…

  11. I wish I knew why Belicheck was so terrible in Cleveland, and then he struke gold in Boston. Weird deal.

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