Polamalu says players are fighting “big business”

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The NFL’s players don’t like the labor dispute to be called a fight between millionaires and billionaires, in large part because a lot of the players aren’t millionaires.  (In large part because some of the players spend everything they earn, and then some.)

Steelers safety Troy Polamalu has offered a different description, according to Arash Markazi of ESPNLosAngeles.com.

“I think what the players are fighting for is something bigger,” Polamalu said. “A lot of people think it’s millionaires versus billionaires and that’s the huge argument. The fact is its people fighting against big business. The big business argument is ‘I got the money and I got the power therefore I can tell you what to do.’ That’s life everywhere. I think this is a time when the football players are standing up and saying, ‘No, no, no, the people have the power.'”

It’s better than “millionaires vs. billionaires,” but it’s still unlikely that the average working man and woman will identify with pro athletes who are trying to paint themselves as oppressed victims of corporate muscle.  Besides, no one has suggested that the players are going broke.  In fact, they likely won’t even make less money.  Instead, this is a question of whether the players will continue to share in the growth of the game at the same rate they have shared in the growth of the game.

The players — specifically their leadership — continue to focus on receiving 50 cents of every dollar, no matter how big the dollars become.  Lost in that position is the reality that the total dollars paid to the players most likely will continue to grow, only at a slower rate.

Some would say we should all be so mistreated by our employers, especially where no other industry gives a subset of the total workforce half of the total gross revenue.

110 responses to “Polamalu says players are fighting “big business”

  1. Seems like each comment the players make about the lockout is less informed than the one preceding it. Doesn’t bode well for an ending to this any time soon.

  2. If Troy hates Big-Business so much, why does he endorse so many products?

    Answer: He’s a millionaire and he wants more money.

  3. hasnt most of the players arguments revolved around how the NFL is NOT like other big businesses??

    I guess it only is when it suits their cause.

  4. Good Lord, a multi-millionaire claiming that he is fighting “big business”. Mr. Polamalu, you are big business to most folks in this country.

    Every time Goodall or one of the players opens his mouth I just want to throw things at the TV screen. The idea of a bunch of highly paid entertainers squabbling with a bunch of billionaire owners over a 9 BILLION dollar pie is flat out sickening in a time when unemployment is 10%.

    Shut the eff up, get to the table and carve out a deal.

  5. So is Polamalu saying that the people, i.e. the NFL players, have the power so they can tell the owners what to do? If you want the power, Troy, then get your fellow players together, pool your resources and start buying teams. That way you can really have the power and vote how the team will be run and how the money will be spent.

  6. Players fighting big business Troy? Last time I checked, nobody at my company but maybe the guys way up top is pulling in 6.4 million this year. Shut up, take what you are offered (like the rest of it) and do your damn job. If you don’t like the offer, you’re welcome to switch places with me – I’ll take your 6.4 million and you can take my very, very small fraction of that.

  7. news flash to MR POLAMALU

    big business employs a lot of people in this country including you

    oh yeah thats it buddy – stand up for the little guy – pleaasssssssssssseeeeeeee give me a break with this BS. you are making millions a year and you try to endear yourself to us working slobs.

    stop it please just stop it – the more your lips move the dumber you sound

  8. Isn’t Proctor & Gamble considered to be a, “big business?” Don’t they make Head & Shoulders shampoo? Isn’t Troy Polamalu the subject of their lame-ass commercials suggesting that product thickens hair and controls dandruff? Isn’t it true that it does neither? If the answer to all of those questions is, “yes” then Troy Palamalu is one of the bigger hypocrites out there.

  9. Seriously, why are you sports writers, journalists, and analysts so jealous of these athletes. It seem every article I’ve read on this site and else where regarding these athletes and their money has an underling tone of we should hate these athletes because they make millions.. I agree with Polamalu. These athletes are the workers and the owners are the CEO of the company that is the NFL.

    I’m sure many of you sports media folks want fans to buy into the belief that the non-sense that is now being push as sports news is a lot of work for you and you deserve your money.

    I personally don’t envy those who work for their millions. Even if the work comes in the form of something many of us might see as recreation. I personally know that it takes less energy to be a sports writer these days than it does to be a top level athlete. Especially playing such a barbaric sport as football.

  10. No. The average working man or woman does not identify with these pro athletes. Whether these guys want to admit it or not, they are more part
    of this “big business” than a victim of it.

  11. [ with the tone and inflection of a moderatlely hippie(think Chong he has hung out in pittsburgh] “Yea maaaan, you fighitn the man, you tell’em many business man dude wants it all man. Yea fightin the man”

    Hmmm Come to think of it, isn’t Troy in bed with the man? Doesn’t he do hmmm let me see, is shy, but I could have sworn I saw him plastered all over radio and tv working for Proctor and Gamble. Ahhhh. well maybe not, Troy wouldnt work for the man.

  12. The players must be socialists…spread the wealth…. I hope the owners hold out till the players beg to come back! The owners can be as greedy as they want. They took the risk spending their money to buy in to the league. Thousands of football players out there…

  13. According to Forbes, Troy Polamalu has earned almost $50million in his NFL career so far. His contract is through 2011 so I am guessing he will be given another large multi-year contract soon.

    He also signed a “multi-million” endorsement deal with Head and Shoulders. The actual amount is not known publicly.

    It seems like Troy Polamalu has no problem taking money from “big business”. I call this type of thing hypocrisy. I am sorry but there is no sympathy here for these players. I understand that he is in the top tier of eaners in the league (as well as he should be, he is an extraordinary player), but please stop with this “fighting the good fight” or “we’re fighting for the common man” BS. Count one more player who I lost respect for this off season.

  14. Here we go again…another dumb ass Steeler making another dumb ass comment. Only this time he’s also showing his politics. To the liberal left “big business” is a bad word. Don’t you all know that anything associated with big business is evil?! Hey Troy…shut the hell up and get yourself and your union to make a deal. They own the league and you don’t. You don’t want to hear this but it’s true…you’re replaceble and yes, we the fans, will go watch “scabs” play if you force us to. We did it in 1982 and we’ll do it again.

  15. call me crazy but the players are already getting 58 or so percent of every dollar and they seem to want more & more no matter what even if it ruins the game they just want to get paid.it is so sad that the greed involved here is so overwhelming that they can’t even see that the game will not be there(nor the huge paydays)if the owners have to fork out every dollar they make.they are already near 60 percent of the 9 bil. dollar pie how much more do they want?????? eff the players i’d rather see the game end then see these greedy s.o.b.’s 1 more percent

  16. What in the world is going on in Pittsburgh?

    First, there’s a quarterback who has decided to “re-virginize.” Then, along comes a mincing dance-queen-hero. Now, a long-haired marxist decides to chime in on the unfairness of many millions of dollars being thrown his way by corporate scumbags.

    Really, Steelers fans? This is what turns your cranks? Amazing…

  17. Troy, stick to football as not only are you making a ton of money playing football but you are a corporate man selling products for the big business that you just put down.

  18. Troy Polamalu = communist

    Sorry Troy no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play a sport for millions of dollars a year. In fact you are welcome to go do any other job you want, and I an guarantee if you walk off that job and demand more money you’ll get the same response the NFL owners are giving you now.

    So in short: STFU and play.

  19. With the sheer amount of money the NFLPA* is spending on lawyers, I think the players qualify as “Big Business” as well.

  20. The players — specifically their leadership — continue to focus on receiving 50 cents of every dollar, no matter how big the dollars become…or as things are going…not matter how SMALL….like ZERO unless they get their heads out of their @$$es

  21. is there any way to start fining players every time they compare themselves to your average joe, like it was a helmet to helmet hit? go work in a coal mine in west virginia for a year, and then get back to me.

  22. Ya sorry, not buying that. I agree corporate power is definitely out of balance to workers rights (and the gap is widening). Unfortunately it’s not applicable. I am an accountant, I have access to privileged information where I work. I can tell you that those who perform are certainly well compensated, but they are nowhere even close to earning 50% of PROFIT. The players are fighting for 50% of revenue.

    For the non financial savvy readers that means they want 50% off the top, before the owners even subtract the money they spent to bring in the money. So let’s say you sell vacuums you buy for $50 each and sell for $100. The way the NFL is right now, it’s the same as you keeping $10 off the top, and then paying your employee half of the $90 remaining from the $100 sale. So you pay your employee $45, before even counting the $50 it cost you. In this example you would make $55 dollars, but spend $50 just to buy the vacuum. Leaving you with $5. By any logical reasoning that’s a bad deal.

    However, with the success of the NFL, complications of the CBA, and the size of the pie the owners make allot in actuality.

    All in all, the current CBA is beneficial for both sides (players make allot annually but with such short careers they need more quickly. The owners make less % but still make millions and billions over time).

    To argue that this is worker vs corporate simply doesn’t hold up weight, since even management doesn’t even get anything remotely close to 50% of profit in every other company/corporation. This situation is unique, yet still highly profitable for both sides at the end of the day. Theres no reason other than greed, leadership not willing to negotiate or make fair offers/counteroffers, lawyers interested in only fattening their pockets, or big egos that can prevent this deal from happening.

  23. But wait, players say they are equal partners. So isn’t big business fighting big business?

  24. If the players are fighting big business I hope they are fighting for all the people they have to hire not just the players.

    Don’t forget about the waitress who wouldn’t get through the winter w/ out the sunday football games..

    The thing is, if you are going to speak for ‘small businesses’ or ‘the little guy’ then you should at least try to understand the whole mess first. cause this quote is just absurd!

    Thankfully it’s just idiotic and not on the scale of Adrian Petersons comments.

  25. It never seems to amaze how ignorant some of these posters are. It doesn’t matter if they are pro players or pro owners!

  26. troy would make a better case for his side if he cast it as: “this is MORE than big business versus the people. in most businesses employees build or sell a product. in our business they ARE the product. we are different from every other business in that we ARE what the fans pay for, and our bodies ARE the machine that gets busted and broken and thrown on the scrap pile eventually. that is why we are fighting for a better deal.”

  27. @clwb419 …

    Shut up and take what you’re offered?

    How about you shut up, little man? Troy Polamalu is an elite athlete who’s worked his way to the top of the food chain in his industry and the owners have bid him into the highest earning level at his position because he’s among the best in the business. Nobody’s doing him any favors and if the Steelers don’t want to pay what he’s worth, I guarantee someone else will.

    As for his comment about big business, corporate America in the form of smug Wall Street th*gs in suits and bankers with the business ethics of Al Capone are the reason the rest of the nation has been suffering. The amazing thing is how much some of you seem so enraptured by the idea of drowning in the “trickle down” of their golden showers. Most NFL players aren’t millionaires. They’re just talented individuals standing up to the powerful people who once willfully exploited their talent.

    Good. For. Them.

  28. The man just lost all my respect. Great football player. I’m tried of the liberal thinking of it’s the poor working nan vs rich businessmen. Drop out of football and work for your living. NFL player have it too good.

  29. Nothing they can say will pull fans to their side, unless it is something along the lines of “Any fair deal we can make that gets football started again.”

    The NFL made a proposal Troy. If you are serious, then make your own proposal. Do not just sit there and whine until you crush the opposition.

    What the players do not understand that the way they are going will hurt the NFL as a whole, which will hurt them. If they proceed with the idea of making the NFL stronger, then they will help the NFL and themselves.

    In short it does not matter as much what percentage of each dollar you get. It matters more how many of those dollars are coming in. You can hold out until you get 60%, but if you harm the NFL’s ability to function as it has, then you will make LESS money than by taking 40%, getting some side issues you want, and making MORE money by helping the league maintain its growth.

    Oh, and when it comes down to it, when you are making the kind of money you do, arguing that you should make more is sickening in an era where so many of us are so close to being homeless.

  30. Um Troy, if the NFL wasn’t “big business”, you would be driving a Subaru Outback. Last time I checked a company that compensates its employees in at least the six figures, is hardly one that is practicing any mistreatment of its workforce. With the players pulling in 50%, aren’t you equal partners in this “big business”, Troy? Here’s an idea, if you really wanted to fight those EVIL corporate types, how about we stop using Head n’ Shoulders?

  31. Polamalu is pointing out the abuse that has occurred at the hand of big business, while failing to recognize similar abuse that’s happened because of unions. Furthermore, by putting this whole thing into litigation we now have the element of government abuse, courts dictating to private business how it must be run. The most accurate term for that is “tyranny”.

    Troy Polamalu is a d1psh1t.

  32. As many others have said before me, the relationship between the players and owners is not a simple employee/employer relationship.

    Nothing like it.

    The players have had an agreement (CBA) with the owners that describes a partnership where revenue is shared in return for the players services under a prescribed set of terms and conditions.

    The players have contracts with the teams. Non guaranteed contracts.

    In truth the relationship is more like a lawyer partner in a law firm. Or a doctor in a medical practice. Or an actor with a film company.

    All situations where the doctors, lawyers & actors get more than 50% of the revenue of the buisiness they are in.

  33. More like the CFOs fight the CEO. I don’t feel like the disparity is that huge between some owners and some players. Made we will find out otherwise or maybe not. (Click my name to check out my sports blog)

  34. MF: “Some would say we should all be so mistreated by our employers, especially where no other industry gives a subset of the total workforce half of the total gross revenue”

    And those “some” would be the Owners and mindless sports writers who’ve fallen for this Red Herring.

    Their “industry”/cartel is entirely dependent on a tiny qualified workforce, without which they can’t exist. This small pool of players ARE the game. They can ask for whatever they want. Not much breathtaking talent in the UFL.

    The Owners are lucky the Players have been so reasonable.

  35. Polamalu has a valid point. This is an argument between those that earn all the NFL revenue with their blood, sweat & tears versus those that merely have their money (or their inherited money) do their work for them.

    So yes, it is labor versus big business. The wealth producers versus the capitalists.

    And yes, the owners are using their money, and the power their money provides, to force the players to take a cut.

    It’s so clear & obvious it’s rather puzzling why anyone would disagree.

  36. “But it’s still unlikely that the average working man and woman will…” do anything other than what they’re told.

    It’s called Authoritarian Personality. It’s weak. Not strong. Clue up, remove lips from big daddy’s fanny and get on with being a big boy/girl.

    Best Wishes.

  37. .

    Why don’t you all stop acting like the players are bitchy little kids asking for a raise at McDonald’s. That’s your lot–not theirs. Don’t blame them for the fact that you are too weak to stand up for anything.

    These are grown men with actual talent who are rightfully asking to be paid at their market value.
    Stop being so butt hurt about not being good enough at your job to have any say in your salary.

    Now pick up your scanner and get back on the sales floor. Your break is over.

  38. oh shut up! i hate hearing about how evil ‘big business’ is. the owners are the ones who invest all of the money in the teams, the owners are the ones who negotiated the TV contracts that made the game as popular and successful as it is. The owners deserve more than they’re getting and anyone who doesn’t think so is delusional. you aren’t fighting ‘big business’. instead of talking this out and negotiating like proper businessmen you are trying to strong arm your way into getting as much money as possible. and the owners are trying to tell you how it is and force into a bad deal. they’re trying to negotiate. the players walked away. the players wanted to go to court. the players are the ones refusing to negotiate now. so please don’t try to spin the truth to make you look like the good guys. so just shut up.

  39. the problem with his logic is these players are rich because of “big business”.. no word from him on the pay cuts the average folks are receiving because of this whole situation? guess he was too busy tryin to play average man..

  40. Hey goofball…you don’t like the deal you have, quit and play in Canada. You talk like a moron and, as far as I’m concerned, you’re part of the problem.

  41. Fighting big business? That idiot’s a fool… or is he a fool that’s also an idiot?

    I guess Polly-Molly is a punk assed socialist as well as a fairy.

  42. Polamalu is an idiot.
    He is big business.

    What actually would happen, without a better deal for the owners, “regular folks” will be the ones suffering significant losses…

    The players pity party is full of rhetoric and propaganda…

    With the rising cost of commerce and stadium loans being generated the common folk are going to be the ones who lose jobs, lose pay and in turn could seriously damper communities or industries… Not to mention all of the rising taxes to offset the municipality’s involvement with any stadium deal, road construction, etc…

    The players are not fighting big business, they are a part of the big business cog. If you make 60 cents or even 40 cents on the dollar you are “Big Business”… Maybe all of those hair pulls are effecting Polamalu’s brain or his capacity to hold thoughts up there…

    NFLPA is big business, in this case, they do not do as much for the economy as the owners. My opinion is the regular folks should be hoping for the players to take less money. They are the part of “Big Business” (middle men) that do the least with their gains…

  43. Ooohhhh, so this whole thing isn’t just a mad money-grab tactic, you guys are just standing up for all of us average working stiffs. Thanks so much, I can’t wait to see how much better my life gets if the players beat down the NFL and by extension apparently all Big Businesses of America!

  44. People keep saying that the owners and players are trying to figure out how to split 9 Billion in dollars. Well the last I heard when they stopped negotiating was they were about 330,000,000 apart. So they aren’t really negotiating the full 9 billion, they are working out how to split the last 4% of the pie. Seriously, each side needs to take 2% of that and lets get a deal done. Its sad and pathetic this ever got taken to a court room. IDIOTS

  45. The more Troy Polamalu says the more I like him. This man’s brain is perfectly tuned in with reality.

    Big Business moved and is still moving our good paying jobs overseas. Their greed is why you can’t speak with an American when you call product help lines. They are killing the American Dream to satisfy only themselves.

    Can’t expect the tomatoes who frequent this site to understand that. Seems to me most have a love/hate relationship with the Players. They love to watch them play and kill each other. The hate to see them properly compensated for it.

  46. The public overwhelmingly sides with Troy about the stakes involved in the next NFL CBA.

    No one cares what Tea Baggers think. Donald Trump found that out the hard way.

  47. I have a lot of respect for troy, but he’s a little off with this assesment.

    The owners are fighting for sustainable profitibility of small market teams that try to produce quality teams (aka spend to the limit of the cap) like the steelers and the packers.

  48. Why don’t you give 50% of that shampoo endorsement money back to the “people” for your cause, unless your cause is greed.

  49. Okay…let’s assume that for most of us the least paid player in te league, millionaire or not, makes more than the average fan. I’ll take unstaffed kicker money…hands down. I hope they see that they make a lot more than they really think but most superstars like Troy don’t…maybe they’re lost in all those zero’s on their paycheck.

  50. Troy Polamula is actually absolutely correct in his diagnosis of the fight that the players are engaged in. The struggle to maintain receiving 50 cents out of every dollar generated by the NFL is a lot like the non-existent effort to re-link worker pay and worker productivity in the general American economy. Since 1980, the productivity of the average American worker has exploded, yet real wages have barely budged.

    The American workforce has undergone a period of “learned helplessness” of the last 30 years, demonstrated beautifully by “clwb419,” who states so eloquently that NFL players, like average American workers, should “shut up, take what you are offered (like the rest of [us]) and do your damn job.” This attitude is the reason why the ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay has gone from roughly 40:1 in 1980, to around 411:1 in 2005. Are CEO’s/Owner’s worth 411 times more than you, or do workers dutifully adopt the foolish idea that they should “shut up and take whatever they’re paid,” regardless of their productivity? Polamula feels like player wages should grow as the game grows, as he rightfully should.

    My take on the NBA and NFL CBA negotiations is that both leagues are finally trying to emulate general American business over the last 30 years, when it comes to management-labor relations. Both leagues, through their CBA’s, seek to facilitate the upwards redistribution of income. Owners are effectively trying to take money out of players pockets in order to pad their own.

    To “run and grow a legitimate business” in this day and age means that an organization disconnects the link between worker pay and worker productivity, allowing management to capture all gains. Since it is difficult/impossible/irrelevant to determine the “productivity” of an athlete, disconnecting worker pay and worker productivity is applied differently. Here, the owners goal is to disconnect worker pay from increases in demand, “demand” being defined as fan interest in the game.

    With more fan interest, the MRP of players increases, not because their productivity increases, but because additional fans increase marginal revenue, resulting in an increase in demand for the players labor. Ordinarily, when demand rises, so do wages. However, in an attempt to emulate a “legitimate American business,” owners seek to disconnect this link, causing increased demand not to result in increases wages, but only increased profits, captured entirely by owners.

    Thankfully, NFL players aren’t helpless like clwb419. Instead of just taking what they are offered, they are demanding what they productivity indicates they are owed.

  51. Not totally true.

    If you look at the software industry (another industry in which the value is based highly on the employees and what they directly produce) employees costs are generally over 50% of revenue. I run a SW company and our employee costs are way over 50% of revenue. And… They don’t tend to die early because of the job they’ve performed for me.

  52. I am a great fan of college and pro ball, but with people all over this nation losing houses to foreclosure, tornados, floods and on and on I AM losing heart with this pro ball mess. Both sides need to settle quick or NFL will go way of the rest of the country. The end of the world may not have come but the end of the NFL as we know it may have.

  53. Its amazing to me how some people can still support these overpaid jokes known as players when they continuosly stick their feet in their mouthes like this clown. Seriously Troy?

    If any side is planting their people on this site to sway opinions, its the players. How else do you explain the knuckleheads who support them here?

  54. Another clueless player…Wow, what a shock!

    Owners win! AMFDL

  55. Whoops! I forgot and left out that Timmy of course will also reportedly be in Joplin later today to help little old ladies cross the street as well as take up a non-perishable food collection at one of the local A&P’s. Donate one or more cans and get a free bible in return!

  56. OMG all of you people are slow. He’s suggesting if the game grows. Why can’t the revenue of the players grow with it? How can you say he is big business? If he was to get into any trouble (hopefully not) he would lose his shampoo deal an what ever else, just like Tiger Woods. who the world would consider Mr. Big Business. Who, right now, has fell off the face of this earth.
    But I think that would be fare. But I can also argue on the other side on that same note. what if business isn’t going so good? The owners still have to pay. Owners don’t want that.

  57. It’s funny how these guys continue to make fools of themselves. They need to just keep their pie holes shut. Perhaps it’s because none of them have ever had real jobs. Jobs in which if you went to your employer and demanded that you and your fellow EMPLOYEES get half the loot you would be fired or at least told to shut up and get back to work.

  58. The players — specifically their leadership — continue to focus on receiving 50 cents of every dollar, no matter how big the dollars become. Lost in that position is the reality that the total dollars paid to the players most likely will continue to grow, only at a slower rate.

    Some would say we should all be so mistreated by our employers, especially where no other industry gives a subset of the total workforce half of the total gross revenue.
    I’ve ripped MF plenty for his commentary before so I have to give him props for this one.

    Someone sold Polamalu the age old us vs the world speech. D. Smith must be a better speaker behind closed doors than he is in public.

    Did anyone think to ask Polamalu the specifics of what he finds so onerous in the CBA offer? Was it the increased healthcare and benefits? Was it the increased injury settlements? Was it the decreased workouts? or is he fighting for, as Randy Moss would put it, “Straight Cash, Homey”.

    Imo, based on interviews, tweets, etc to date that players are very passionate about this labor dispute but that’s where it ends. Most of them don’t care to know why they should be fighting the owners, they only know that they’ve been told it’s the right thing to do. They leave the details of what they are fighting for to the lawyers and that is wrong.

  59. I think the position that alienates many fans the most is when the players try and make their plight comparable to the average joe.
    One union member is fighting to improve his medical so he can afford to get his kid braces while the guy from the other union wants new rims on his Bentley.

    Players are completely out of touch with the very guys that buy their jerseys.

  60. We’re the ones who created this “problem” by making football the be-all-and-end-all of our existence. We made guys with a talent for playing a game think that they’re gods, and rich businessmen richer than gods. WE have the power. If we all stopped mortgaging our houses to buy season tickets, maybe they’d decide that a paltry 6.4 million is enough to get by on.

  61. Troy says, The big business argument is ‘I got the money and I got the power therefore I can tell you what to do.’ That’s life everywhere.


    Really Troy? Tell that to all the players who hold out for more money each year and take their team hostage for paying a kings ransom. (i.e. D. Revis)

  62. “I can tell you what to do.” And here’s another million so you’ll go and do it.

    This is getting to be Dumb and Dumber.

  63. The reality of the recession is that billionaires further consolidated the wealth of this nation into their own pockets. It is pure class warfare. And they want even more. To come hat in hand to players asking for slower growth of their compensation (to us, this translates to no raises for the last three years) while their profits continue to grow at astronomical rates. If the players back down now, they will take a big step backwards while their masters continue to suck billions out of TV. They say if it was Gene Upshaw negotiating, this deal would have been done by now. Sure, because he would have already capitulated to the owners. I like football. Used to love it, but the owners of the my team, Eagles, long ago stripped the fun out of it when it all became about money. Don’t understand the attitude of many of the posters here, who take the owner’s side. Even though they earn six or seven figures, they are still working people like us.

  64. A few short years ago…

    “Polamalu signed a five-year contract worth $33 million, making him the highest-paid Steeler and highest-paid safety in the NFL. He will receive bonuses — including signing and roster bonuses — of $15,375,000.”

  65. “especially where no other industry gives a subset of the total workforce half of the total gross revenue.”

    I hate to break to you but no other work force is in the same position as NFL players. In any other work force, workers create a product/service which is bought by consumers – the consumers like the product/service NOT the actual worker which is why business owners can replace the workers and keep creating the same product which will be bought by the consumers. You can’t replace NFL players and have the same product because consumers aren’t just buying “football” they are buying a brand of football that only the best players can provide. Consumers are also paying to see the actual workers (players) themselves…needless to say, your average worker isn’t in the same position and therefore wouldn’t be able to ask for a 50/50 split.

  66. hahaha…good start to my tuesday morning! Thanks Troy!….Obviously you have no clue what your talking about right here.Glad to see that USC degree has done ya good already!…Maybe a PHD is in order?

  67. This message here from Pittsburgh, “we need classes… know your role”… thanks for enlightening me Troy. Great representation of our city (sigh)

  68. This is funny. Without the “big business” that he speaks of he would be unemployed, well maybe he wouldn’t because he seems like a bright dude but many of his fellow employees would be. All of this big business bashing in this country these days is absurd. Especially since if those bashing it had the opportunity to be in charge or own one of these “big businesses” they would do it in a heartbeat.

  69. Wow, I assume that the long haired chump will continue his fight against big business by tearing up his contract with Head and Shoulders! All those corporate fatcats making money off his greasy hair just isn’t right they should be giving away shampoo to the dirty masses in sh**tsburgh not actually running a business to employee people.

    How about all those other teams employees who are having their PAY slashed because of this. Is that really big business’s fault? What these fools don’t realize is without profit there are NO JOBS! Then again I don’t think any stupid USC grad who probably never attended a class and was paid by all those BIG BUSINESS alumni would understand this.

    Here’s hoping your hurt AGAIN this year or ,get raped by your starting QB , and never have to work for “Big Business” again!


  70. giantrealist says: May 24, 2011 2:19 AM

    “Big Business moved and is still moving our good paying jobs overseas. Their greed is why you can’t speak with an American when you call product help lines. They are killing the American Dream to satisfy only themselves.”

    OK now…take it further. Why are those businesses moving overseas? Doesn’t have anything at all to do with Unions like this crappy one trying to take more than their share or demanding compensation that literally makes every country in the world’s regulations pale in comparison. It wouldn’t be that we’ve upped the tax burdens on these companies to the point that it literally will save their company to pack up shop and move the whole thing around the world.

    Can’t expect the tomatoes who frequent this site to understand that. Seems to me most have a love/hate relationship with the Players. They love to watch them play and kill each other. The hate to see them properly compensated for it.

    Properly compensated? A lot of folks are erroneously posting the 50% number when if fact the players already get over 58% of the current revenue. I’m a business owner myself and if one of my employees were to demand a 58% chunk of my profits I’d laugh at them as they walked out the door to find a new job. But we’re all tomatoes for not getting your warped fallacy based logic. Gotcha…giantrealist? More like giantdumbass.

  71. I think both sides are greedy. The Owners are douches. The Players want people to feel bad because they don’t take a cut in pay, they just get raises? I’m pulling for the Owners in this. Name one privately owned business where they split the profits with the employees 50/50? This decertification is a sham. Anyone who thinks that the players are bargaining in “Good Faith” is out of touch with reality. You have to actually respond to at least one of the TWO proposals that the NFL has offered you in order to be playing on the same field as “Good Faith”. And spare me the “If it weren’t for the players, there’d be no NFL” argument. If there were no employees, there would be no businesses…period. That argument means nothing to me.

    Grow-up. Get over your egos. Work something out. At a time in our country when most people are on hard economic times, I would not take my fans for granted. You let this B.S. start cutting into the season and “we” fans may vote with our wallets the first chance that we get!

  72. @tdman21 …

    Brilliant post. You are far too bright for this room. But thank you for a rare comment that elevates the discussion with thought-provoking insight rather than dragging it into the gutter by trying to diminish and degrade others. It’s nice to encounter an adult among the children.

  73. tdman21 says “Thankfully, NFL players aren’t helpless like clwb419. Instead of just taking what they are offered, they are demanding what they productivity indicates they are owed.”
    You generated a great deal of words, yet seemed to miss one important point, as your closing comment above reveals. And that is that these players are OWED nothing other than what they agreed to work for in their contracts.

    Furthermore, to paraphrase one player union rep, “We get paid for potential.” Breakdown: Pay me based on your highest performance expectations you think I’m capable of. If I live up to them I’ll expect even more money, if I don’t well I’m keeping the cash & too bad for you.

    I think I’m worth more than what I get paid also, but I’m not groaning about it because I agreed to accept the salary. I can ask for a raise, if denied my recourse is to either accept that, find another job, or change careers. Same options these morons should have. There’s more talented players than there are positions & teams to play on, they apparently fail to appreciate that.

    The flowery raise-your-fist rhetoric simply doesn’t apply in the NFL situation. I agree with your point that CEO’s are way overpaid in corporate America, but what does that have to do with this situation? The team owners invested huge sums of money in these businesses, and their profit is less than the amounts being paid to the players. Additionally why do player sycophants like you and Deb consistently refuse to recognize the players got offered 25% raise in salary money???

  74. Troy sounds like a Communist. “The People’s Party.” Troy diffently belongs in the Democratic party. With out big business, this country doesnt move. Who does he thinks employees the working folks? Typical. Another victim who is owned money by big business.

  75. @klunge …

    Recognizing the economic realities of how the league operates does not make one a player sycophant. It could more rationally be argued that sucking up to big business, lobbying to give the richest among us tax breaks and bailouts in the naive belief they’ll use the money to trickle down jobs and opportunities to the rest of us–when history shows that does not happen–makes you and other pro-business/pro-owner supporters sycophants.

    As I said, like Polamalu, tdman21 is too bright for the room. Both of them were talking about Big Picture issues in the national economy and how they relate to the NFL’s labor impasse. You’re talking about specifics in the contract negotiations.

    If you persist in seeing NFL players as typical employees, you will never understand the NFL business model. They are not typical employees. And you are wrong: There are not more talented players available than jobs to offer them. The opposite is true–which is why their salaries have been bid so high. As with any precious commodity, the rarer it is, the more valuable it is. The NCAA cannot produce enough top-flight QBs to lead half its 32 teams. That’s why Tom Brady and Peyton Manning earn as much as they do.

    I agree with you to a point on your potential argument–which is why I favor a rookie salary cap. People should be paid according to their production more than their potential. One problem with the rookie cap, however, is that the league wanted to lengthen rookie contracts. When a guy is playing six years at a capped rate, he’s no longer a rookie, he’s into his prime earning years. You see, these issues are not as cut-and-dried as they seem.

  76. I don’t get why people see so much mystery and intrigue in this “labor dispute”. There are two certainties here that will define when this impasse will finally be resolved:

    1) The Jets are scheduled to play Dallas at home as are the Redskins to play the Giants on the Sunday that will commemorate the 10th anniversary of 09/11. If those games are cancelled, the owners have to know that the enormous public backlash that will result will drag Congress into the impasse (and there’s no way that the owners want any part of that); and

    2) The owners want to “teach the union a lesson” by making sure that their members lose at least a real game paycheck or two (as they aren’t paid their salaries for the meaningless exhibition games). That means the season of course won’t start on time as scheduled.

    There’s one thing that the networks can do that will really pressure the owners to settle, and that’s to start moving marque collegiate teams games to Sundays; look for that to happen if/when the season doesn’t start on time.

  77. Troy did you use my Head And Shoulders Shampoo?

    Troy – No
    Really? No


    Troy, do you really have a clue about what’s going in America these days?


    Really? yes…..

    Really? No……

    Yes, they believe they have a right to fair value, yes I am not a professional football player, so we should all be thankful we have these demi-gods to watch in awe each Sunday (both very weak counter points by the way), but I cannot fathom how if I am unemployed or living in poverty, (for which I am thankfully blessed that I am not), a player can complain about making more money,
    when even a minimum salary is like 10 times the average Joe or Annie make, who actually pay for their salaries through watching games on TV and buying merchandise..

    Troy should know this better then anyone else playing, since, you know, he plays in small market Pittsburgh.

    I think DeMaurice is doing a real good job of shi*ng the bed and he is going to get crucified when this all ends.

  78. To all of those claiming that the players ARE the league-1987 is calling and disagrees. The league will survive with or without the *nflpa.

    The people who own the brand are the league.

    Of course, the NFL would take a major hit if they had to employ replacements but they would survive, imo.

  79. He is doing the right thing here. In most other industries the workers are easily replaceable, therefore we are relatively powerless against “big business.” However NFL players understand their unique value and are right to be using this leverage to their advantage. I wish that we all had this kind of power against the corporations, this nation would be a greater place to live, and the richest 1% wont be controlling every aspect of our lives as they do now.

  80. I will never watch an NFL game again.

    How do you like that, Drew Magary?

    Hey Troy, how bout that Head N Shoulders? WTF do you think that is!? small business?

    these players are socialist driven lunatics. morons, all of them. gimme gimme gimme!

    they only care about the money, and that’s the hyprocrisy and irony in their own statements!

    i can’t wait til they all give up their endorsements deals. Power to the people!

  81. Hey, all you Big Britches “working men,” you’re working less than 18 hours a day because of unions. Wanna bust unions some more?

    Then put down the sippy cup and the NYPD cap–both made in China–and go to war with cops and firemen.

    Or, you could just stick with picking on teachers, janitors and the other lucky, plucky survivors you refuse to understand.

  82. @deconjonesbitchslap …

    You’ll never watch another NFL game? So you’ll have no reason to comment on PFT once games resume. Bye.

  83. i really cannot believe the posts i have read here that go on & on about how the players are the product. because in a way they are but what all of you are missing is 1) the players come & go the same players that were so great a few years ago have been replaced by different players and it has been going on for a long time i think ever since the nfl started. 2) is that noone seems to give any credit to what the nfl has done to market the game & the players and without that great marketing the players would not be much better off than ufl or cfl players or arena players can anyone give us a real household name from anyone of those leagues? nfl players that love what they do have the best job in the world and are well compensated for it to the tune of very nearly 60 percent of the 9 bil. dollar nfl pie without assuming any of the responsibility of operating costs or overhead.i’ve asked it before and i’ll ask it again,how much more do these guys want??????????????? and when will they understand that they are going to ruin this game because of thier greed.they seem to have no appreciation for the opprotuinity they have been givin or what so many players & owners have done to make this game what it is and what it could be if they were not so greedy

  84. Deb says:
    Both of them were talking about Big Picture issues in the national economy and how they relate to the NFL’s labor impasse.
    Exactly how do they relate? And even if you manage to successfully draw parallels, what does that matter? Unless the resolution to this football labor strife has some ultimate impact on the rest of us either as individuals (tangible, not emotional) or in the collective “Big Picture” of the nation’s economy, it’s all completely moot. I honestly understand why a person would want to believe otherwise, but if the players win out in every aspect of this dispute it is not a triumph for labor and unions everywhere. There will be no effect on the economy or any leverage gained by the little people against their employers.

    I’m thinking perhaps everyone is wrong in this argument. The reality in the NFL is simply not the same reality the rest of us live in, and we’re taking sides based on worldviews that are incompatible with the separate universe that is professional football. The kicker is that neither the players or owners truly listen or care what either their supporters & detractors think or say. No matter who comes out on top, the spoils stay with them, nothing goes to the fan.

  85. @klunge …

    I’m thinking perhaps everyone is wrong in this argument. The reality in the NFL is simply not the same reality the rest of us live in, and we’re taking sides based on worldviews that are incompatible with the separate universe that is professional football. The kicker is that neither the players or owners truly listen or care what either their supporters & detractors think or say. No matter who comes out on top, the spoils stay with them, nothing goes to the fan.

    Exactly!!! The NFL does not operate according to the same employer/employee model that so many on PFT insist on applying. So the worldviews regarding management, unions, “if you don’t like what we give you, go somewhere else,” etc., don’t work.

    The players didn’t demand multi-million-dollar salaries and get them. When the players won free agency rights, the owners bid their salaries up based on their skills. The owners want the best players for their teams, and the wealthier owners were able to use cash signing bonuses as a way to skirt the salary cap. Those skilled at drafting still fared better in the long run. As the quality of players increased, the product became more valuable and people were willing to pay more to get it. The popularity of the game exploded. Owners were able to negotiate more lucrative TV deals and charge more for tickets. The value of their teams multiplied rapidly, but some teams are much more valuable than others. Revenue-sharing forces profitable teams to prop up less profitable teams, and that’s a bone of contention with several owners. If the players win the antitrust suits, they can dump that burden so some owners actually benefit if the players win.

    Player salaries didn’t drive up the cost of tickets. The market determines ticket prices and the owners will charge those prices as long as they’re selling seats. So if the owners win and the players’ share of revenues decrease, your ticket prices will remain the same. Owners will have higher profits. Individual player contracts will remain the same, so the Bradys and Mannings will be fine. But the overall piece of the pie that’s divided among current players, healthcare, retirees will shrink. Fans will gain nothing.

    If the players win, things stay as they are with players and owners continuing to get the same percentage of revenues they get now. And fans will gain nothing.

    If the impasse continues, the fans will lose the season. If it ends–no matter how it ends–the fans gain nothing except getting back football.

  86. Don’t fight them too hard – that’s who I get my paycheck from every other week.

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