Kyle Shanahan emerges as a full-blown control freak

AP

In the NFL, where the “N” often stands for “nepotism,” characteristics like, say, being a hard-headed, full-blowb control freak often skip a generation.

That’s not the case for the Shanahans, where the son is emerging to be as rampantly obsessive-compulsive as the father.  If not more.

Lurking at the bottom of a Dan Steinberg summary of quarterback Rex Grossman’s recent appearance on SiriusXM NFL Radio is further proof that Kyle Shanahan has developed into football’s answer to Veruca Salt.

“During the course of a regular game, Kyle Shanahan wants you to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions,” Grossman told Zig Fracassi and Solomon Wilcots, per Steinberg.  “And if you really study that and rep that in practice, then it becomes a lot easier during the game.  You’re not thinking as much as your body just goes through the progressions.  That’s some of the things that’s really helped me start the second half of my career, and I feel like I’m a much better quarterback because of that.”

Think about that one.  Kyle Shanahan wants the quarterback “to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions.”

In the 1970s, the media and the fans bemoaned the trend away from quarterbacks calling their own plays, not just as audibles but in the huddle.  The younger Shanahan’s attitude confirms that the trend away from quarterback decision-making has resulted in today’s OCD coaches want their signal-callers to receive signals and follow orders like robots, both before and during the play.

If nothing else, it’s now clear why the Donovan McNabb experiment didn’t work.  And it’s amazing that the Shanahans ever thought that it would.  An established, franchise quarterback will be the last player to ever allow himself to be grossly micromanaged by a silver-spoon assistant coach three years younger than the established, franchise quarterback.

66 responses to “Kyle Shanahan emerges as a full-blown control freak

  1. I swear all these coaches with their egos wanting players paid a ton of money to do what they tell them. It’s getting out of control.

    Can’t we let NFL QBs gun sling anymore? Whatever happened to winging it? Or just winning on moxie and gumption.

    Now if you’ll excuse me there is a Matlock marathon on, and I never miss my stories.

  2. Honestly, ALL OF US could do what the Shanahans do. Telling people how to do things isn’t hard.

    It’s sad that supposedly competent NFL men had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how to use a franchise quarterback. It’s like they didn’t even watch film of him pre-2009.

    Andy Reid may be a doofus based on his gameday management, but his handling of McNabb is nothing short of brilliant.

  3. Eddie says: Jun 7, 2011 9:59 AM

    Oh, no! A coach wants his players to run his offense exactly how it was conceived?! The audacity!
    =================================
    The audacity. Completely micro-manage a great lockeroom QB with the confidence of the team, surround him with a subpar o-line , no running game, and a DT that didnt fit the scheme.

    Here’s the memo; When you have the vet, let a vet O-coordinator that knows his background manage the offense to fit his skill set.

    Its not rocket science. And theyre giving the keys to million dollar free agent led team to John Beck? I mean, McDaniel was a control freak, whose QB actually produced.

  4. Just like with anything if it works it’s a great idea. If not it sucks……

    Nuff said!

  5. oh noes!!! another immature coach (whose daddy has to back him up to keep his job) who doesn’t bother to assess the talent of his players and coach to their strengths and abilities, but demands they do it his way… up to 6 wins, less this year.

  6. “The younger Shanahan’s attitude confirms that the trend away from quarterback decision-making has resulted in today’s OCD coaches…”

    *~*~*~*~*~*

    Whether or not your readers agree with this, it might be a good idea to cite more than one example before you extrapolate your theory of “today’s OCD coaches” out to the general population of hundreds of NFL coaches…

    (Mind you, I’m not disagreeing. I’ll bet tons of coaches are control freaks. I just want more examples)

  7. Once his dad his fired from this job, Kyle will head to college then get fired there. He is David Shula 2011.

  8. You’re really reaching with this article. A coach gets Rex Grossman as a QB and puts in the effort to fix everything he can with the guy, and that makes him an over the top control freak?

    As opposed to, “Rex, go out there and do what you do. I can’t see a thing you’re doing wrong, and even if I did, it wouldn’t take much work to fix.”

  9. The coach is there to lay out a game plan. If he wants to run plays his way then so be it. I dont understand the problem with being a control freak as a COACH. It just tells me McNabb was uncoachable or had difficulty following directions on this team. McNabb didnt like it, thats why the Skins are going in a different direction.

    I have no problem if McNabb wants to call plays, as long as he is given that authority.

  10. “…hard-headed, full-blowb [sic] control freak … as rampantly obsessive-compulsive as the father … follow orders like robots … micromanaged by a silver-spoon assistant coach”

    Wow. Don’t hold back or anything.

  11. He was a bad OC for the Texans & even a bad WR at Texas when he was in college. Just because someone has been around football their whole lives doesn’t grant them the ability to work well with football players. I can’t stress enough how awful of an OC he was in Houston.

  12. Yeah, I can’t believe an NFL coach expects his player to run his offense precisely. Shocker. And that leaps to a Veruca Salt metaphor?

    Please, for the love of God, someone end this lockout!

  13. Their wins and loss record is all that counts and the Shanahans have won nothing recently and its doubtful if they’ll be able to recruit any decent free agents in the near future. Their handling of McNabb was horrible to say the least.

  14. “It helped me be a better quarterback!”

    excuse me…that’s not being a control freak that’s being a GOOD TEACHER!

    We don’t always love our best teachers, but when WE say “that teacher made made me better” we respect them and their method.

    What’s your beef with him?

    You could have EASILY stated “Kyle Is A Great Teacher” for the headline

  15. I think the problem people have with Kyle is his age and the fact he coaches under his father. I don’t know much about Kyle but I do know he was a successful OC in Texas when he wasn’t coaching for his father. Maybe that was an accident, luck or just plain coincidence of having a good QB and a really good WR. But it just seems that a lot of negative things written about him *always* mention that he coaches for his father and/or that he is just 33/34 years old.

  16. Bizarre thought process regarding McNabb.

    When he was in Philly he was a system guy who had a customized offense built around him and who rarely if ever improvised (we led the league in wasted timeouts and delays of game because he could not audible or wasn’t allowed to) and was heavily scripted.

    McNabb was in the same situation in Washington, he just wasn’t willing to do what he had in Philly for a decade – listen to the coach and follow the script…because he thought he was too “bigtime” to do so.

  17. LOL so your position in this article is that since Shanahan II likes precision (hint the WCO demands it)it’s beneath McNabb to be coached to do things differently by his OC now? Reid worked around McN’s weaknesses VERY well, granted. But the WCO is a precision timing offense and depends on a QB doing just that: X amount of steps in the drop…get the ball out. Hasn’t anyone seen clips of Walsh coaching Montana on his footwork and talking about how exact a QB has to be on drops and hitches used at the end of the dropback?
    Most great coaches are control freaks for eff’s sake. Even a guy like Rex Ryan who seems “laid back”. Yes he is a wild type but you really think he doesn’t demand perfection/precision in technique???? Come on man.
    IT IS NEVER BENEATH ANY PLAYER YOUNG OR OLD TO BE COACHED AND TAKE COACHING. YEESH. THis is the type of article that makes me dislike McNabb even more than I already do….all the EXCUSES made for him that other players don’t get. Wanna bet his agent or some family member isn’t behind this one too?

  18. If the OC wants the play run EXACTLY how he wants it, he better had anticipated guys not running a route right, a guy MISSING a block, etc… otherwise, you need to rely on your QB to adapt and get the play off. If we’re going to use robots, we might as well play the old school vibrating board to play football…

    I’m not convinced Kyle’s a master of anything outside of his own mind…

  19. NOT EVERYBODY DOES IT THAT WAY:

    “One great thing about coach Chan Gailey’s offense is it allows players the creativity,” he said. “Our main goal is beat the man. That means beat the defender and be where you’re supposed to be, when you’re supposed to be there and don’t fool the quarterback. Those are the three basic rules.

  20. @tatum064

    First off, you may have noticed a little thing called the lockout which is prohibiting teams to even talk about acquiring new players. So the whole “giving the keys to million dollar free agent led team to John Beck” is just asinine to even suggest–even though the media contributes to this for news sake.

    But I’ll have to throw this one over to markeyh who I think said it best. With this:

    “Just like with anything if it works it’s a great idea. If not it sucks……”

  21. But, of course, I trust mini-Shan for not building that custom offense for him.

    But the Shanahan’s have made the job about showing the player’s who’s boss and humiliating them.

    90% of you cheered them on while they did it to Haynesworth.

  22. And now the armchair lawyer knows more about running an offense and developing a QB than someone who actually has years of experience doing just that. Good thing he isn’t a control freak or he’d be writing authoritative articles on it next…

  23. For all the McNabb critics who log in whenever he’s mentioned, yeah, he’s the problem, not Kyle. Because being a control freak on a dismal team with a 30 something year old Hall of Fame QB is the way to go.

    I don’t think that even worked on a very good one (Vikings), so I fail to see how McNabb is the wrong one in any scenario here.

    Cue in the pill popping Rush Limbaugh apologists who’ll say he was always right about McNabb, bitter Eagle fans who sound like the guy who cheated but is mad at his ex for moving on, and the flat out racists who’ve never liked the guy and take every chance they get to slam him regardless of the situation.

  24. Not a fan of the Skins or Shanahan, but I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Why would anyone think giving more control to Rex Grossman would be a good idea?

  25. “If nothing else, it’s now clear why the Donovan McNabb experiment didn’t work. And it’s amazing that the Shanahans ever thought that it would. ”

    Well it is amazing that Mike didn’t think there might be a problem. Kyle, however, had been asked whether he wanted to trade for McNabb and said no. The front office decided to trade for him anyway.

    Also, what is the exact point of this issue. Offensive co-ordinator wants his QB to drop back using a specific technique in his timing based offense. Well, what a shocker. A coach who likes to have his plays executed in the way they a practised, in the way they are designed. Seriously, stop the presses.

    “That’s some of the things that’s really helped me start the second half of my career, and I feel like I’m a much better quarterback because of that.”

    Damn those control freak co-ordinators. Drilling their players until they become more consistant, better players. It’s much better to let players like Rex Grossman, with his notoriously error free style, to just wing it.

  26. Im sorry but great QBs can’t be taught as much as they’re just born. That kind of instinct is natural.

    If Kyle wants robots….there’s always madden

  27. I don’t know much about Shan Jr but, I do know Rex a little from the Bears.

    He had to write a reminder on his hand to step into the pocket.

    Rex needs to be coached like this if there is any hope.

    Go Beck!!!

  28. It’s all about personel, Houston was still good despite Shannahan leaving. Washington sucked prior to Kyle and Mcnabb, and they stink now on offense. I do think Kyle is overrated, and thought he didn’t maximize the talent on offense the way Andy Reid did when they had a lot of garbage on offense.

  29. I am a Redskins fan and have generally been supportive of Kyle Shanahan’s role in selecting a QB, even if it meant going away from McNabb. However, I think limiting QBs to this extreme degree, unless it is strongly nuanced, is not a good thing.

    I actually think it is ok to ask your players to run the offense exactly how it has been conceived, to a point. I think, at the same time you are doing that, though, you need to empower the QB to improvise when they see something on the field that can be exploited. Players get a feel for the game from the field that is unique and that cannot be felt by coaches looking on the sidelines.

    On the other hand, you just can’t let a QB go out and “do their own thing.” Comments to the effect that QBs should just call all their own plays and freelance every play is not sound either. Coaches are paid to set an overall game plan and methodology for approaching the game, and players.

    This is why the “relationship” between a coach and the QB is so important. If you have a relationship, then you can talk about what you see on the field between plays, talk it through, and work out adjustments as you go. So both the player and the coach has a responsibility in making this work.

    Hopefully, Kyle Shanahan will loosen up as he matures.

  30. Not a Mcnabb fan but admire his ability to stay above the fray. Here’s hoping he get’s traded and then goes T.O. on the whole DC experience from danny boy down to Rat jr. Donovan’s only mistake was coming to DC and unfortunately he get’s associated with the rest of the trash (coaches and players) the skins have collected post snyder.

  31. I guess my worry is this, seems after you have enough tape on the robo-Qb system the offense won’t work. Hitches shouldn’t be programed.

    Another person mentioned the locker room and I have to wonder how it plays out there as well. I was never a big fan of the old man and never believed for a second the son got his job based on his own resume.

    The Texans actually did better when Kyle left… So was it coaching or talent? Washington was 18th last year but were 22nd the year before with a carousel in coaching and less talent at the QB position.

    Time will certainly tell, but I thought it was funny the way Old Man Shanny in 2009 was showing up at every minicamp for half a dozen teams trying to get a job. Finally he gets a job and the first thing he does is promote his son?

    Washington is a mess… Instead of a new coach or latest FA, maybe they should cut to the chase and get a new owner… Most fish rot from the head down and this fish is definitely rotten already.

  32. That’s pretty convenient for Kyle. If Beck/Grossman does well, it’s all thanks to him. If they both flop (they will) well then they weren’t hitching through they’re progressions correctly.

  33. looks like the skins are gonna keep livin in suckville for a few more years..

    Rex #1 all the way babaayyyyyyyyyyy

  34. marvsleezy says: Jun 7, 2011 10:45 AM

    NOT EVERYBODY DOES IT THAT WAY:

    “One great thing about coach Chan Gailey’s offense is it allows players the creativity,” he said. “Our main goal is beat the man. That means beat the defender and be where you’re supposed to be, when you’re supposed to be there and don’t fool the quarterback. Those are the three basic rules.

    So Chan Gailey is the model of excellence now? LOL

    That aside, I agree that you need a balance. QB has to try to run the offense precisely as it’s been drawn up, but be able to improvise when needed. Balance.

  35. Can’t Daddy (Mike Shanahan) just sit his boy down???

    Oh wait a minute! He never will because both are overpaid, egotistical idiots!!!

  36. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, and the rat doesn’t range far from the dumpster.

  37. I think McNabb could have used the coaching. Apparently he was not able to keep up with the rigorous instruction and keep an NFL starting job that was his for the taking.

    And for those who disagree with me, I ask you this: why on earth would the Eagles trade an “established, franchise QB” within their division?

    Andy Reid knows the answer to that one.

  38. It’s one thing if Bill Belichick say’s to a QB, “I want it done my way, do it exactly how I say and you will be fine out there”. A QB will say “Ok Bill I trust you, you are the Boss”

    When McNabb looks at Kyle Shanahan he says this kid is younger than I am has no clue what he is doing and has not proven anything. Now he wants me to do it “HIS” way and even if I see a D end getting ready to T me up I should take the hit and not hurt the young “KIDS” pride………….McNabb will always go off script and try and make a play when need be, thats what playmakers do, so yeah call me crazy but it doesn’t matter who the QB is that will never work!

  39. When you’re in a leadership position you have to earn the respect of people who work for you. Thats difficult for a young leader, especially if you got the job because of daddy. If you don’t have leadership skills you will crash and burn. The only way to overcome poor leadership is to win. Look no further than Bill Belichick. He was despised by everyone when he coached the Browns. He is a god in New England. Same guy with the same poor leadership skills, but he overcame it by putting numbers in the win column. I just don’t think Kyle has the ability to overcome the lack of respect in the locker room.

  40. This is not surprising at all. I thought bringing in the Shanahans was bad, but then the Redskins topped themselves by trading for McNabb. The Shanahans showed their incompetence with that trade. How could no one see that all this was going to blow up?

    McNabb is gone (will be) and hopefully the Shanahans will be right behind him (they shouldn’t have been here to begin with, so it’s not a question of only giving them a year. Snyder doesn’t give anyone more than 3 anyway).

    To whoever said McNabb is a HoF QB, seriously? Or did you mean for Syracuse?

  41. BTW here is a footnote McNabb even in Kyle Shanahan’s crappy offense was still in the top 100 players of 2010.

    Now he probably wasn’t one of the best 100 players last year, but the guy has earned the respect of fellow players, you earn respect by going out and making plays being a leader, and after 13 years getting it done game in game out.

    Kyle you wouldn’t make it on a top 1000 coaching list so maybe you should ask McNabb questions not the other way around!

    PS: It would help if you would wear that wristband on the sideline and he could tell you what plays work!

  42. Nothing new here with the Shanahan clan because daddy Mike did the same thing with Plunkett at the Raiders when he took over as HC for the 1988 season. Plunkett would complete a pass, successfully making the same read and throw that he had for decades, and Shanahan would have a cow because it was not to the receiver of his liking. Truly amazing and devastating to watch as he put Plunkett in a position where he had no chance to succeed.

  43. Wow… so when I insist my son do his homework as assigned, I’m being a control freak? Who knew?

    I thought I was being responsible and helping him grow.

  44. There was another “I want it my way down to the amount of steps my QB takes” coach in DC. His name was coach Gibbs. How did that work out?

    With futility since 92′, The Shanny’s have every right to run this franchise as they see fit. If the players don’t want to be a part of the process, then aufwiedersehn. The Shanny’s are righting the ship one day at a time (with Bruce Allen’s help).

    Get back with me when somebody actually COMPLAINS about Kyle, until then……

  45. I actually brought this up in the first McScandal last season.

    … and that whole ridiculous posturing Mike was doing in the aftermath was exactly to shield Kyle from the problems.

    That’s what McNabb-Gate was all about – Kyle vs. Donovan and Mike inbetween.

    It’s all so evident now, where were the reporter on this during the season.

    stoopid.

  46. QBs that call their own plays, and hitch based on how the defense is attacking them:

    Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers.

    QBs that do exactly as they’re told:

    Grossman.

  47. EVERY QB that has strapped it on at the NFL level has been taught varying degrees of what to do or how to do it better by their QB coach and/or head coach….some right down to the 5 step drop, the way their hands are up or out, foot placement…all that. Just like a swing coach for a golfer….and a hitting coach in the MLB…you need some tweaks occasionally.

    Brett Favre looked like a pop warner kid until Holmgren and Co. fixed alot of his issues. All he had at the time was a cannon and a booze problem. Manning, Rodgers, Brees….all of them go thru some point of tweaking. It’s the complete bozos like Ryan Leaf and the complete idiots like McNabb, Alex Smith, Jam Russell, David Carr, and soon to be Cam Newton that are either too dumb to absorb it or too stubborn to try to learn anything different. Vick has and was, no different. Athlieticism will get you to the table….lack of smarts and understanding your playbook and reads will get you tossed out.

    Go watch some the old footage of Terry Bradshaw interviewing guys like Shaun King, Akili Smith, Dante Culpepper, and a slew of 5 or 6 others back a few years ago that were going to “change” how the QB position was going to be played. I thought that was an absolute joke at the time…and it turned out I was right.

  48. “leftcoastnative says:
    Jun 7, 2011 12:27 PM
    Nothing new here with the Shanahan clan because daddy Mike did the same thing with Plunkett at the Raiders when he took over as HC for the 1988 season. Plunkett would complete a pass, successfully making the same read and throw that he had for decades, and Shanahan would have a cow because it was not to the receiver of his liking. Truly amazing and devastating to watch as he put Plunkett in a position where he had no chance to succeed.”

    That’s correct, Plunkett didn’t even complete a pass that year, though that might have had more to do with retiring after the 1986 season. Mike Shanahan has made a lot of mistakes since joining the Redskins, but I am loathe to criticise him for the lack of effectiveness of someone who wasn’t on the roster.

    Now maybe you could criticise him for the way he used Jay Schroeder, but this is a thread about the Redskins, we remember Jay Schroeder, we remember why Gibbs let him go. We remember the o’ so beautiful highs, the perfect spirals, the long bombs. The inaccuracy. The sense of entitlement.

    Mike Shanahan was 7-9 in ’88. The previous year Tom Flores (also a double SB winning head coach) had been 5-10, with 3 of those wins coming during the replacement games at the start of the season. The year before that 8-8. After 4 consecutive season with 5 losses or fewer, the Raiders were in a dip when Shanahan joined them. 7-9 wasn’t a bad effort for a first time head coach on a bad team playing with other people’s cast-offs at QB.

  49. The Shanahans are going to take a lot of Snyder’s money before they run out of town – willingly or not.

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