NCAA wants help from NFL

AP

The unfolding mess at the University of Miami, where football players allegedly received cash and other benefits from a booster who is now in prison for fraud and money laundering, has ensnared several players who are now in the NFL. And the NCAA is hoping the NFL will help it prevent the next such scandal.

NCAA President Mark Emmert said on ESPN Radio’s Mike and Mike in the Morning that he began having “really good conversations with the NFL” several months ago, and those conversations have focused on how the NFL can help keep agents from contacting players while those players are still in college.

“The NFL and the Players’ Association have been very, very engaged and thoughtful in that conversation,” Emmert said. “While we still have to work out specific details — and they got sidetracked, of course, with their Collective Bargaining Agreement — I believe we’re in a place where we can make some real progress with them.”

If the NFL and the NFLPA want to help the NCAA out, fine. But it’s not the NFL’s job or the NFLPA’s job to enforce NCAA rules. It’s the NCAA’s job.

Still, Emmert wants whatever help the NFL can provide.

“We’re at the table and we’re talking with them,” Emmert said. “They understand the problem, we understand their perspective, and now we’re trying to get something done there.”

Even though this is really an NCAA issue and not an NFL issue, it’s sure to be a major point of discussion in the NFL this year because so many NFL players are involved. The early indications are that most former Miami players don’t want to talk about it. Most of the players named in the Yahoo Sports investigation refused to comment, and Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, who played at Miami before this mess began, skipped a scheduled interview on Mike and Mike, perhaps deciding that this is an issue he doesn’t want to touch.

It might also be an issue the NFL doesn’t want to touch. But Emmert would take any help the NFL is willing to give.

UPDATE: Regarding Lewis’s absence, a Ravens spokesman tells us: “Ray has a serious health issue with a very close relative and is attending to that, and that’s why he did not do the show.”

54 responses to “NCAA wants help from NFL

  1. It’s not the NFL’s business to mess with what is the NCAA’s deal.

    If the NCAA would be more uniform and honest in their dealings with students and schools there would be fewer problems.

    But we know that’s not what’s going to happen. Schools like USC and UNC will get hammered while OSU are allowed to have students violating NCAA rules play in bowl games.

    It’s ridiculous and a sham.

  2. this one is easy to fix, all the NCAA has to do is drop a true death penelty on one of the big boys and it will all stop. Yea, it all but detroys the program but if the NCAA doesnt want any future scandals that have to make it clear that it will not tolerate cheating. They did it to SMU, should have been done to USC AND OSU and now THE U too..]

  3. The NCAA knows how to fix it… GREED always make you blind from making the right decision.

  4. This isn’t a problem that will be fixed by making changes to the enforcement structure.

    It’s a broken system that needs completely rebuilt, starting with this absurd, distorted definition of “amateurism” used by the NCAA. Amateurism had nothing to do with compensation for playing the sport for centuries. Even “amateur” athletes in the ancient Olympics were given prizes for their efforts. “Amateur” was used to describe gentlemen/aristocrats who partook in sports while “professionals” were deemed to be those who received a wage for their work (usually manual laborers).

    However, until the members of the NCAA, bowl committees, conference committees, and BCS committees stop milking millions off the athletes, nothing will change. There is no catalyst for change.

  5. To supplement what I said above, amateurs did not want professionals to take part in their game because they were too physically fit from actually working for a living. That’s how this distinction started, and it has since been warped to feed millions to those overseeing collegiate sport.

  6. Just pay the kids already. Nobody cares if they get paid, and we know most of them are already.

  7. You know, this really bothers me. I get how alot of the people are saying that the NCAA uses the players to make money, and that they never see a dime. However, how much does it cost for college tuition? Some schools it is over $5,000 dollars a semester. Plus Room and Board, Food, Shool-provided transportation. So your talking about $35,000+ a year at a mid level school. These players pay none of that, and now they want to be able to get money for their play on the field? These players are Amature athletes, not profesionals. Before we criticize the NCAA for banking off the players, lets take a long hard look at the players who want to have their cake, and eat it to.

  8. The NCAA is, for all intents and purposes, the NFL’s minor league system. So maybe De and the Commish should throw the NCAA a bone here.

    Or the NCAA could funnel some money back to the players.

  9. My suggestion is that the universities of this country get out of the pro sports business.

    I don’t expect this to happen but it will take care of the problem.

  10. “If the NFL and the NFLPA want to help the NCAA out, fine. But it’s not the NFL’s job or the NFLPA’s job to enforce NCAA rules. It’s the NCAA’s job.”

    MDS – think about this comment for a second…while technically you are correct, isn’t it the NFLPA’s job to monitor the agents and not the NCAAs? The NFL/NFLPA levies penalties/suspensions upon agents that don’t follow rules, so maybe it should be the NFL/NFLPAs job to protect the integrity of the game of football – especially when the NCAA is essentially the minor league system for the NFL.

    It is completely legit for the NCAA to ask for help, and it is in the interest of the NFL to help.

  11. As soon as you look at paying players you have to look at what other sports programs at these schools will be dropped. The cash from football is used to fund the “olympic” sports. Then you have to also consider what effect title ix will have on the decision of what sports will be dropped.

    Those of you who want players paid are asking a select few to be entitled at the cost of many. It is no wonder that these high profile football players have such a sense of entitlement.

  12. The NCAA talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk. They lost whatever credibility they had with the Cam newton case. His father took the money but Cam didn’t know. Yeah, right. Their handling of the cases against OSU and The U will be their chance to get their credibility back.

  13. @rabidbillsfan – Let’s accept your premise just for the sake of argument.

    Why shouldn’t a player like Cam Newton be allowed to sell his name and likeness off the field? That’s not having his cake and eating it too, that’s doing what every other athlete in every sport does – you get compensated for what you do on the field by your scholarship, and get your sponsorship/media deals off the field.

    No one is stopping Peyton Manning from doing the commercials with Jim Nantz or Tiger from signing with Nike. It’s an absurd, antiquated system.

  14. @aequitas83 – That the difference between an amateur and a professional…and was part of rabidbillsfan’s comments.

    @rabidbillsfan – add in that they get free tutoring (from all the former student athletes from several schools I know, it for the most part equates to being given the exam questions or having someone take exams for the athletes), clothing, and much more…

    Also we can’t forget that football (and men’s basketball) pays for all of the other sports programs at every school as well. Without the big money of football and basketball, it is unlikely that many schools could have a hockey or swimming, or women’s tennis, etc… program.

  15. ericjshelton says:
    Aug 17, 2011 10:29 AM
    this one is easy to fix, all the NCAA has to do is drop a true death penelty on one of the big boys and it will all stop. Yea, it all but detroys the program but if the NCAA doesnt want any future scandals that have to make it clear that it will not tolerate cheating. They did it to SMU, should have been done to USC AND OSU and now THE U too..]

    __
    There are plenty of other programs ready to step into the void left by any school that receives the “death penalty”, therefore the overall continuity of college football won’t suffer in the least. Let’s go, NCAA…get tough.

  16. You are foolish if you think paying the players will fix anything. Fine pay a kid $100K. You think he is not going to turn down another $25k under the table?

    To me the NCAA should just call itself a 5 year league. You can play in it for any 4 of 5 years to allow for redshirt situations or injuries. But after that you are done. Each team is affiliated with a school. The school is in essense a sponsor. It provides scholarships, the team provides facilities to the school and also advertising through team name and school colors.
    The players are under contract, so leaving early has a price. But also the school should be under contract to the player, where certain aspects of the ‘salary’ cannot be taken away if a player is “cut”. Like the scholorship.

    If a coach quits or is fired, the player can demand release from the team within a certain time frame and go elsewhere. The only exception, he cannot follow the coach.
    This would mean a Brian Kelly(not slight on Kelly intended) could not decimate Cincy when hired by ND by bringing all the good players with him.

    It cant be fixed by just “paying the players”

  17. you say:”If the NFL and the NFLPA want to help the NCAA out, fine. But it’s not the NFL’s job or the NFLPA’s job to enforce NCAA rules.” – respectfully, i think that is the wrong tone. i am a big fan of the nfl and a big fan of college football, and i really, really, REALLY want the nfl to work hand in hand with the ncaa to help clean up the cheating and rule bending in college. now that labor issues are settled that is at the top of my nfl wish list.

  18. The NFL has been using college football as a free farm system for decades. Without college football, the NFL would have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a developmental league for just out of high school players, because few, if any high school athletes are physically mature enough and emotionally mature enough to even be on the same practice field with NFL players. For that, the NFL should recognize that the health of college football is imperative to their success as a league.

    I agree with Land Snark that the NCAA is a mess and that sweeping reforms with the NCAA need to be made, and I think with that the NCAA should negotiate some sort of an agreement with the NFL, that would punish players and agents alike for improprieties made during the players college career. If the NFL won’t agree to an agreement like that, the NCAA should ban things such as pro-days from taking place and not cooperate with NFL to the extent that they are.

  19. As long as there are schools desperate to bring cash in via ticket sales there will be paying off of players by coaching staffs and recruiters. Unfortunately they ALL do it and most of them get away with it. Heaven forbid we should ask these kids to make the right choice and say no I won’t take your money. It is not up to the NFL or the NFLPA or the NCAA for that matter it is up to the young kids to do and say the right thing. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink they have to want to.

  20. But, as it is the NFL welcomes the cheaters with open arms. Cam Newton was one of the slimyest, most hypocritical, and morally bankrupt, players to come out of the system in my recollection. But he got the red carpet from the NFL. Not to mention G.Q., IMG, Under Armour. You can’t turn around without seeing those grimacing horse teeth. They’ll be interrupting your sleep soon. Cheating, and Newton has done a lot more than we’re aware of, is REWARDED.

  21. Those at the top of the NCAA structure have to see that the walls are creeping in on them and their cash cow of unreal proportions.

    They have the ultimate work force.. on in which the NFL already has helped them greatly… by placing a three year waiting period for kids to enter the league.

    Then they hide behind “tradition” when it comes to making a level playing field to decide a champion.

    Yet they want to “prop up” an illusion of equality in obtaining recruits.. which are drawn by what is displayed upon in their BCS system.. buried within that said “tradition”.

    Now they want help to police rules of illusion.. see the hand slap of Ohio State prior to a bowl game.. so that they still would draw in the bowl game.

    Bottom line.. the NCAA (should say those that profit from it) are trying to maintain the empire yet the walls around them are cracking at every turn.

    They are begging anyone to help them maintain the illusion and the profits.

    BTW.. the NFL helps you yearly by squashing alternative leagues in this these kids could use as an alternative to your brand of monopoly.

    In the end.. NCAA.. admit where the problems are rooted, fix the structure so that players have less temptation to take the handouts via compensation, and by all means.. fix the illusion of a National Champion of today.

  22. The NCAA should fix THEIR OWN problems.

    The NFL deals with it’s own problems accordingly so don’t use their time up for YOUR issues that are YOUR fault in the FIRST PLACE!!!!

    The NCAA allows programs to hire middle men to do the dirty work for the coaches of that program. The NCAA only fines a coach if he is DIRECTLY doing something wrong, how about making EVERYONE responsible and drop the hammer on the coach of the program, even when it is only his friend (a booster) doing all of the illegal activity.

    The current rules makes it easy for EVERY coach to be off the hook, it’s a JOKE!!!

  23. The NFL should not be party to an arbitrary and “gotcha” system that the NCAA propogates. It is an NCAA problem, let them deal with it. If they cannot manage their own system, they should change it.

  24. So they want the NFL to help bring a stop to cheating and corruption in college football. I guess the NCAA will do what MLB did and get congress involved as well

  25. Here’s a thought. Maybe not a good one.

    You have to wonder why the IRS isn’t getting involved in all this. After all, Uncle Sam always wants his cut of the pie.

    It’s amazing that players who are found to get benefits aren’t audited and given a full cavity search in these cases.

  26. Lots of interesting thoughts here. In a bigger picture I would like to see higher education just get out of the sports business and focus on higher education.

    Then the NFL can develop it’s minors, they can play on Saturday and market the regional border skirmishes and rivalries, and we’d all be happy.

    But if we’re going to leave things as they are:

    Just like you follow the money trail at The U. Follow the money here. The NCAA can change the rules all it wants. But until there are real barriers to getting that NFL contract. Something to keep the players in line, nothing will help the NCAA. To do that, the NCAA needs the NFL’s help.

  27. Many of these problems could be corrected if the NCAA moved quicker.

    Newton is a good example. Why wasn’t something done 2 years ago? It still hasn’t been made public-to my knowledge.

    The NCAA saw the smoke, but delayed their pursuit of the problem. Same thing happened as USC with Bush.

    The NCAA has to fix their own house first.

    There was no good reason USC, UNC and OSU weren’t given the death penalty.

    If they don’t do it to the U, the NCAA will prove they have no teeth.

  28. I cringe at the thought of NCAA players getting paid for playing. They are supposed to be in college to get a good education, not just for playing a sport. It may work out in the beginning but soon enough we would hear big prospects holding out for the biggest offer or schools with the most money would become even more power houses than they are now. The Boise’s and the TCU’s out there wouldn’t have the means to compete with top athletic schools. At least now their recruiting pitch is that they have a solid program and they compete on a yearly basis. Throw in money and that pitch goes down the drain.

    Kids should go to college to get a good education. Why should some students get a good wage just for being more athletically gifted than others when medical students or any other profession for that matter will turn out to make a bigger difference in society. Paying college players would only result in more greed and corruption.

  29. Oh cry me a river NCAA. Do your damn job. Maybe you can invest those millions of dollars you make into hiring more people to stalk facebook accounts.

  30. rabidbillsfan says:
    Aug 17, 2011 10:36 AM
    You know, this really bothers me. I get how alot of the people are saying that the NCAA uses the players to make money, and that they never see a dime. However, how much does it cost for college tuition? Some schools it is over $5,000 dollars a semester. Plus Room and Board, Food, Shool-provided transportation. So your talking about $35,000+ a year at a mid level school. These players pay none of that, and now they want to be able to get money for their play on the field? These players are Amature athletes, not profesionals. Before we criticize the NCAA for banking off the players, lets take a long hard look at the players who want to have their cake, and eat it to.
    ————————

    Do you know how much football programs make a school a year? I’d say it is a lot more than a team of scholarships.

    Do you know much money the NCAA makes off of merchandise and video games that are made in the player’s likeliness? I’d say it is a lot more than the cost of every scholarship in the FBS combined.

  31. I cringe at the thought of NCAA players getting paid for playing. They are supposed to be in college to get a good education, not just for playing a sport.

    I would too.. if that was the mission of the schools and the NCAA as a whole.

    But it is not.. it is about funding and cash.

    So to cringe at the players getting paid while not cringing at the Emmert-types that are making millions off the system isn’t correct either.

    Personally.. here is where baseball has it right.. they have a minor league system in place.. so the kids that want to bail on college can further hone their craft.. and the kids that want to go to school.. do and with little issues in this area.

    So the NFL caps the entry into the league at 3 years and the NCAA agrees.. why.. because of the cash they can make off these kids with little being offered in return.

    Look at basketballs one and done rule.. basically pushed by the NCAA.

    They are profiting from these kids.. well below what the kids are getting in return.. so IMO, it is their issue to remedy the situation fairly.

    So either reduce TV deals and ticket prices or offer the kids a fair share from their talents.

    But I agree.. take the sport out of the education process.. in turn the NFL by creating a minor league system of sorts will increase their revenue base that they just locked out over. The NFL could market and develop that niche’ into a nice profit and spread it out around the country much like minor league baseball.

    Win.. Win.

  32. There’s too much money being made for the current system to work. Overhaul.

    Crack down on violations that result in competitive advantage and actual illegal activity (by law, I mean). Get rid of violations that do not disrupt what happens on the field and are not breaking any laws. Example: The fact that Auburn paid Cam Newton’s dad is absolutely insane. This is completely unfair, and the NCAA has (so far, at least) screwed the pooch there. But if Terrelle Pryor wants to trade something that belongs to him for a tattoo, however insulting that is to the program, it is really nobody’s business but his. If I can have dinner with a potential employer while I’m still in college, Dez Bryant should be able to too.

    To give you an idea of where we are with the NCAA right now, here’s a little look: At Ohio State, I work part-time as a tutor for student athletes. So, I have to sign a compliance agreement to prevent any potential NCAA violations (me giving them answers, letting them borrow a calculator for a test, me possibly profiting by gambling if I were to become privy to knowledge that player will soon be academically inelgible, etc.). When in doubt, my supervisor gave me this rule of thumb: “Anything you would do for a friend out of the kindness of your heart, you cannot do for a student athlete.”

    Does that not sit right with anyone else?

  33. Where is the NFL drafting almost ALL of their players from? College. Universities are training these athletes and prepping them for the NFL. So yes, it is somewhat an NFL problem. If the NFL wants no part of it they should create a minor league system and draft their players from there instead of relying on colleges to train their future athletes.

    Give kids that come out of high school an option to be “paid” legally without any consequences. Create a minor league football system.

  34. “…. from a booster who is now in prison for fraud and money laundering, has ensnared several players who are now in the NFL. And the NCAA is hoping the NFL will help it prevent the next such scandal.”

    So, how is the NFL supposed to PREVENT some scumbag booster from giving impressionable 18 year olds cash and iphones in the future?
    PFT strikes again.

  35. Do you know how much football programs make a school a year? I’d say it is a lot more than a team of scholarships.

    Do you know much money the NCAA makes off of merchandise and video games that are made in the player’s likeliness? I’d say it is a lot more than the cost of every scholarship in the FBS combined.
    ————

    Do you know how much it costs to run a University? From providing for academic programs to fielding numerous sports programs and supplying them with travel, equipment, and room & board? An education used to be of some value to society, but today it is considered mild compensation to the student-athelete and their foolish fans. When a player is receiving $50,ooo- $80,000 in free education, he has no right to claim he is getting nothing in return for his services and neither do his idiot fans.

  36. I dont need three paragraphs to solve this one. College athletes generate billions. That’s right, billions. It is ridiculous that they are not paid.

  37. jessieboom says: Aug 17, 2011 10:36 AM

    “Just pay the kids already. ”

    The idea of paying these guys turns my stomach because they’re already getting a free education via scholarships as it is.

  38. bjp02 says:
    The NFL has been using college football as a free farm system for decades. Without college football, the NFL would have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a developmental league for just out of high school players, because few, if any high school athletes are physically mature enough and emotionally mature enough to even be on the same practice field with NFL players. For that, the NFL should recognize that the health of college football is imperative to their success as a league.
    ——————————————————

    FYI: Major League Baseball has done this for decades ….. it’s called “Minor League Baseball”, you know, Triple A, Double A…..

    and it doesn’t cost MLB “millions”, in fact, it’s pretty much a money maker.

  39. Help with what; on how to have an actual postseason instead of a collection of consolation prize “toilet bowl” games that don’t create that great of profits for schools???

    Are they also trying to the correct thing like make a rule book that doesn’t make anything from a non-family an improper benefit (i.e. getting pizza from an agent – no, I am not kidding)??

    Are they also trying to get help on how to let players get paid through other avenues because a scholarship is meant for STUDENTS??? A student-athlete is two people in one body!!! But our country sucks at math so I’m apparently incorrect!!!

  40. vomitingliberals says: Aug 17, 2011 12:35 PM

    An education used to be of some value to society, but today it is considered mild compensation to the student-athelete and their foolish fans. When a player is receiving $50,ooo- $80,000 in free education, he has no right to claim he is getting nothing in return for his services and neither do his idiot fans.

    ——————————————–

    You make a good point beyond your label at the end..

    Anyway..

    How many of these kids would be in college if it not for football? Few.

    So why try to compensate them with something they more than likely aren’t going to value?

    The system is flawed in design.. force a kid to go to school for three years when their talents are worth millions in comparison.

    And there are millions being made by those the “oversee” the game and the conferences.

    100k verses the billion dollar enterprise that is college football.. the “old boys” club sucking their millions off the top and shaking their finger at the kids on the take.

    BTW.. have you experienced life on a scholarship and the rules tied to it?

    All I am saying is the system isn’t geared to succeed in not allowing players to get paid.. by design.. so why try an paint the illusion that it is?

    The NCAA needs to “wake up” and realize that the public and the players know the score.. and it isn’t for the betterment of the players whom are in a institution to better them.

  41. The NFL can help by not allowing the players to enter the draft and only allowing them to be signed as undrafted free agents that can only play for league minimum for their entire career. Also, they can only be signed by teams that are in the bottom 10 teams in the league over a five year period. This might make a player think twice before taking $20,000…

  42. Pay the players Perdem every week and you won’t have as many problems. I think any where from 600$-1500$ a week depending on the program.

  43. @patslaya: So you’re asking the NFL to punish these 21-year old kids who committed a violation when they were in no way, shape, or form involved with the National Football League.

    That would be akin to someone at a 9-to-5 job being told they have to work for minimum and never get promoted because they got written up or disciplined at their previous 9-to-5.

  44. I wonder if the NFL could put some sort of policy in place that said a player caught up in a controversy like this in college would not be allowed to be drafted or play in the NFL?

  45. here’s an idea – WHO CARESSSS Let them take money, or at least pay the kids. The school makes a ton off of them and they are out there risking their lives. Free education is BS, move to Finland if you want a free college education. besides the fact that college is a total rip off for all students not just athletes ($30K a year and these business school grads dont even know how to use Excel – what’s the point). I would rather see that tuition go to the student athletes than a bunch of overpaid people at the top

  46. Ah, the old pay them because of the money issue.

    as opie fails to realize is his position will create more of a system of have’s and have nots.

    1) Who sets the right price – what does a QB get v. a kicker?
    2) If they get paid shouldn’t the school then claw back everything they do for the kids like say room, board and tuition (if they get paid that could easily be interpreted as deferred compensation by the IRS). That doesn’t include the tutors and extras players get from a school
    3) If you pay the money generating athletes – Men’s Basketball and Football, guess, what you have to pay everyone else because of title XI concerns. There goes almost every other male sport in college.
    4) The solution is actually to put teeth into any enforcement. Bring back the death penalty and make the schools actually keep an eye out on their players because it could result in them losing millions.

  47. @achap39

    Yup, that’s what I’m saying. The NFL is nothing like your typical 9-5. If you get disciplined at your job and you don’t lie about it to your new potential employer you won’t get the job. Say I work with multiple vendors in my current position and I am taking “gifts” from them so that I continue to give them my business and I get caught and fired. Do you think that if I am honest about that I am going to get another job? No way, well maybe I can flip burgers or something but I’m not going to get hired by a company that is going to give me any real money. Let’s face it, league minimum would be more than these guys could ever wish to make outside of the NFL anyway and you would still be doing them a huge favor to give them that if they are found to be taking gifts from these boosters. They already get a free “education” HAHA!

  48. Ray Lewsi afraid to answer questions? RAY IS SOFT! He knew what was going on at the “U”! I want to hear big mouth Coke head Irvin talk about it! What about Sapp!

  49. @pats1977

    If they both ceased playing at this moment Brady has more years of playing time so there is no comparison. Look at what kujonicus says above, compare their first seven years and look at the numbers. Pretty close. You are just a hater because Eli beat your beloved Brady in the biggest game of Brady’s life. I remember him giggling like a little girl saying “we’re only going to score 17 points” referring to Plax saying the final score would be 24-17. Guess what? You didn’t even score 17 Tom!

  50. Easy fix that won’t happen.

    Have the NFL stop hiring out of college.

    NFL forms its own developmental league.

    Players in the developmental league cannot be anything more than part time students.

  51. WTF no mention of stabbings or other classless Ray lewis jokes, we’ve come so far PFT NATION!

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