Rahim Moore fined $20,000 for knocking out Donald Jones

Reuters

Last week Broncos rookie safety Rahim Moore knocked Bills receiver Donald Jones out of the game with a hit that the officials felt was worthy of a 15-yard penalty but Moore thought was just good, hard football.

No surprise, the NFL has sided with the officials.

Moore has been fined $20,000 for the hit, the latest in a series of $20,000 fines the NFL has handed down for hard hits during the preseason. Other players fined $20,000 include Buccaneers linebacker Mason Foster, Jaguars linebacker Mike Lockley and Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.

Although Moore says he was just trying to lead with his shoulder and knock the ball loose, the NFL’s stance is that Moore was headhunting on a defenseless receiver. The video is here, and PFT Planet is free to weigh in on whether the hit was clean or dirty.

The good news for Moore is that the new Collective Bargaining Agreement protects players from fines of more than 25 percent of their weekly base salary, which means his fine will likely be reduced to 25 percent of his weekly pay of $22,058.82, or $5,514.71.

119 responses to “Rahim Moore fined $20,000 for knocking out Donald Jones

  1. Good call. Appropriate fine. He was headhunting after a defenseless receiver. That was allowed when Jack Tatum was playing, but not any more.

  2. Good for the league for imposing a fine on the type of play they’re trying to get rid of.

    Good for the new CBA for having such a common sense provision in it.

  3. Didn’t look like he was intentionally leading with his head……but he certainly WAS trying to lay the guy out. And weather it’s right or wrong, all the players know that the league is trying to do away with hits like this. So he shouldn’t be surprised that he got fined.

  4. are you kidding me !!!!

    this is complete BS. thats how you are taught to play football. . there was no head to head,, there was no malicious intent..

    I cant believe this BS Roger you are ruining America’s sport. please take your skirt off and let the men play football. wtf.

    has that punk ever even played an organized game? serious question.. it looks like he might have played flag football, once , in highschool, in a co-ed league, sponsored by a church.

  5. Evidently the commis… er, dictator, doesn’t have access to instant replay as it was obvious he went in with his shoulder.

  6. NFL fining rookies is a microcosm of the troubles the 20-29 year old generation is facing in America. Fining these kids $20k, or 12.5% of their salary (based on $250k) is like the $5k most pay in student loans while earning under $30k in there first couple years out of college. HOORAY AMERICAN OPPORTUNITY!

  7. Wow. Looks like a good, clean play to me. Was he just supposed to let him catch it?

  8. I’m a Bills fan and I hate to see “my guys” get hurt.
    That said, it really doesn’t seem like anything more than a clean hard hit by a guy who is trying to impress coaches and make the team. If he pulled up and didn’t hit him the coaches would say he lacks the killer instinct we’re looking for in our safeties.
    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  9. “Although Moore says he was just trying to lead with his shoulder and knock the ball loose…”

    Okay the reciever did attempt to go up but the ball was overthrown and never even touched his hands. And he was along the sideline. I’m just saying he never had possesion of the ball, or close to it.

  10. Terrible fine.

    There is literally half a second between the ball hitting the receivers hands and Moore’s hit.

    He led with his shoulder and didn’t launch.

    Moore is a free safety not a matador.

  11. So they’re fining for how things look now and not what they were. He clearly hits him with his shoulder in the chest. If you can’t bat the ball down or make an int, then you’re supposed to dislodge the ball from the WR anyway you can.
    Roger, slowly trying to ruin the best game in the world.

  12. Uh, folks? That’s the rule. You can’t lead with the shoulder on a defenseless receiver.

    Here’s Adam Gretz’s synopsis of the rule:

    “The Defenseless Receiver Rule: Under the old rule, the NFL only looked to eliminate helmet-to-helmet hits on defenseless receivers. Now, it’s going to be tossing flags at shoulder and forearm hits to the head or neck area on a defenseless receiver.”

    Shoulder hit. Neck area. Defenseless receiver. Flag. Fine.

  13. Well, he basically admitted he knew he could not get to the ball so he was just trying to take the receiver out. You are supposed to try to make a play, not knock a player out for the season/career as some of the tough guy posters here think. Guilty as charged.

  14. @sj39

    No. If you can’t make a play on the ball you attempt to dislodge it from the receiver. Period.

    If you think differently then football is not the sport for you.

    I hear ice dancing has less contact if you prefer that sort of thing.

  15. @quirtevans

    It is impossible to ascertain if a receiver is going to be defenseless or not in that scenario.

    He’s moving at full speed and the receiver SHOULD have caught the ball. There isn’t a man alive who could react fast enough to the dropped pass given Moore’s speed.

    It’s a BS penalty and a BS fine.

  16. The most remarkable part of that video is the punkish nature of Stevie Johnson. Here’s his stream of consciousness:

    “Wait, wait…he’s not looking, now shove him all bad!!! Wait, he’s, looking, he’s looking, wait for 55, okay 55 has me blocked, so bad ass time, wait, wait, wait, jaw a little, wait, wait, okay, common 86, get here 86, okay, here’s 86, NOW, I’m safe, Go all OG!!! Pretend you pissed!!!! I’m a baaaaad man!!!”

  17. I wish PFT would put up a poll just to see how many fans agree or disagree with fined hits and the new kick off rule.

  18. So if he had caught the ball, then would the hit be OK?? I assume Goodell would believe so. Isn’t a defender supposed to defend?? WTF

  19. naygerkid says:

    Okay the reciever did attempt to go up but the ball was overthrown and never even touched his hands. And he was along the sideline. I’m just saying he never had possesion of the ball, or close to it.
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    Check your prescription on your glasses, because the ball CLEARLY hits Jones in the hands. In fact, the question should be why didn’t he catch the ball?

    This is a terrible penalty, and an even worse fine.
    Football IS a CONTACT sport, and this was clean contact. The league can’t say that Moore was “head hunting” because he used his shoulder on the hit.

    Roger Goodell is RUINING NFL football, and should be removed from his current position by the owners. He’s gotten worse and worse every single year. He’s a joke.

  20. Clean play…must pay? This is going to cause more injuries by players altering their game so they don’t hit their opponent too hard. Looked like he lead with his shoulder and turned his back to the receiver. No head to head or intent to injure, just trying to hit the ball that the receiver didn’t catch.

    I disagree with the commissioner Go-da-hell.

  21. Please, if you are going to make the argument that you had no problem with the hit, don’t use the line, “There was no helmet to helmet hit.” Watch the replay. There was a helmet to helmet hit. If you’re going to make the point that helmet to helmet wasn’t Moore’s intent, fine. I don’t think it was either. That doesn’t justify the fact that there was helmet to helmet. Hit him lower, same result: incomplete. Or better yet…For those of you who say the play he made was the only way to make a play, how about this: Get there a quarter second sooner and knock the ball down. Again, there are tons of ways to tackle a ball carrier: Horse collar, ripping down by the facemask. You’ve got to tackle in a way that’s legal. Going high on a defenseless receiver simply isn’t legal anymore. And if you think that’s BS, just watch the replay and take a good look at the dude lying motionless on the turf. I honestly don’t know how so many people can see that and say, “That’s football.”

  22. It’s to the point now where you really can’t make a “hard” hit. Anything that even looks violent is going to draw a flag which will then draw a fine. It’s a joke

    The days of receivers being scared to go over the middle are over.

    Roger Goodell, you are the worst commissioner in the history of sports. You’re a one man wrecking crew, and shame on the NFLPA for not striping away some of this mans authority when they had the chance

  23. Ugh. This is why I am no longer a huge NFL fan (football as I like it is dead). Yes, it is a penalty and fine under the new rules.

    The league is trying to increase player safety, by making drastic changes without much planning. Look at what the NHL is doing in their attempts to increase player safety and make their game better. Testing ideas in real game situations with actual players (draft prospects), coaches, and referees.

    That play by the safety is not classically “dirty”, and the injury probably occurred when the receiver hit the ground. Yes, if the point of impact was lower the probability of that type of landing is decreased, but at what cost? If you don’t like watching basketball on grass, then a lot. There are becoming less and less risks with throwing the ball. The receiver doesn’t have to worry about being hit as much and the QB no longer has to worry about where he’s leading his receiver. If the a big hit happens, it is now the defensive player’s fault.

    For the record, I am not against making changes to the game in the name of player safety. I just feel the changes should be progressive and tested out first. The players need to be informed of the risk of playing football and while some ideas need to be enforced (helmet to helmet hits), most of the protection needs to be the responsibility of the player. Then slowly find non-intrusive ways to increase safety. Instead, the NFL => Basketball on grass. Yuck.

  24. Protip to receivers: If you get hit hard, lay on the field like it knocked you out. Try to draw the flag.

  25. Anyone who agrees with this fine either has never played football or doesn’t understand football. Watching football every Sunday doesn’t make you a football expert. I am no expert myself, but I have played the game and spend a lot of time following it. This hit is what used to be celebrated. A hard hit, to the chest, no spearing, clean and devastating. I think the fans need to get together and get a national pool going to pay all fines for hits that were at one point considered part of the game.

  26. “Was he just supposed to let him catch it?”

    No, he’s supposed to make a play on the ball. The fine is because the WR was in a defenseless position. It doesn’t have anything to do with leading with or without the head.

  27. i think its pretty obvious that Moore didn’t intentionally try to go helmet to helmet. that being said, he lined him up from about 20 yards out and made no attempt to go in low. he kept his shoulder high and put it right into Jones’ sternum, but if you stay high like that, 99 out of 100 times there is gonna be helmet to helmet contact. Moore’s helmet crushes this guys face, he knew exactly what he was doing and it played out exactly how he wanted it. My grandmother could knock out a defenseless receiver with a 20 yard headstart

  28. I love how so many people can watch the same video and see so many different things.

    Fact is, intentional or not, it was helmet to helmet contact. I’m not a fan of the rule, but this fine is legit under current GOD-ELL regime.

  29. Looks to me he was purposely leading with his shoulder and hit the receiver in the shoulder/chest area.

    Unfortunately, it also looks like there was incidental helmet to helmet in slow-mo and obviously when viewed in real time looks malicious.

    Personally, I don’t agree with the fine.

  30. “shame on the NFLPA for not striping away some of this mans authority when they had the chance”
    ________________________

    The NFLPA doesn’t have a single thing to say about who the commissioner is or how he operates.

  31. Not a Broncos fan by any sense of the word, but the hit by Rahim Moore on Donald Jones appeared to be legit and good “tackle” football.
    Although according to league it DID appear that he was NOT looking for the little yellow flag to pull from his waist signalling he was down….

  32. It’s misleading when articles state that the NFL has fined a particular player.

    I think it incorrectly implies that a group made the decision when in fact it was just one person, Goodell.

    It’s more accurate to say that Goodell, acting on behalf of the NFL, fined the player $X.

  33. Good call. Weather intentional or not, the receiver was defensless and got his clock cleaned. When the players start showing more respect for each other, the fines will diminish.

    All you tough guys, if you don’t like the new rules, go watch something else.

  34. There are safeties in the HOF who got there by making hits just like that one.

    History will show that Goodell has done more to ruin professional football than any other person or event in it’s existence.

  35. How does Jason Babin get away with taking a dirty, late, cheap shot at Roethlisberger’s knees with no flag or fine? Seriously?

    If James Harrison had done that to an opposing QB he’d be flagged, fined and suspended.

    Also …. don’t just blow the whistle for in the grasp and then do nothing when the Eagle defensive players ignore the whistle and crush Roethlisberger anyway.

    And if Vick is going to go after Polamalu’s knees he better be prepared to have his head knocked off by a defensive player blocking him the next time he throws an interception.

  36. Is it against the new rules? Yes

    Is the defenseless receiver rule stupid? Very

    Give him the 15 yard penalty and a warning and be done with it.

    Their wasn’t a malicious intent behind it, it wasn’t helmet to helmet, and the kid is just a rookie learning the NFL ropes so keep your paws off his money unless he does it again.

  37. I have not seen anybody blame the the QB on this…Fitzpatrick should never have put the receiver in that position. He is the one that is supposed to see the defense and know where the safety is. It’s his job not to lead his receiver into that type of hit with where he puts the ball. This is also why you should not have these little WR going over the middle (like Jackson last year). If you do it, you should pay the price.

    THIS ISN’T FLAG FOOTBALL!!!

  38. The receiver got his hand on the ball, and the DB put a big hit on him. Not helmet to helmet, or forearm to the head, but a good, solid, “remember I’m here next time” hit.

    Intimidation is part of the game. When I think of Ronnie Lott, I don’t think of a dirty player, but I think of a safety who was going to lay you out if you came across the middle of the field. Players knew that. That’s what makes guys like A. Boldin, and H. Ward so valuable. They will fearlessly go across the middle, while the Randy Moss’s of the world won’t. And when he does, he gets alligator arms.

    I am all for eliminating the helmet to helmet hits, but things have gone too far now.

  39. “Fact is, intentional or not, it was helmet to helmet contact. I’m not a fan of the rule, but this fine is legit under current GOD-ELL regime.”

    I’m not sure it was helmet-to-helmet, but it doesn’t have to be, under the rule. Shoulder to the neck area of a defenseless receiver is still a personal foul.

    Yours (and one or two others) is actually the only intelligent criticism here. Most of the posters are ignoring what the rule actually says, and interpreting the rule the way they WISH it was written, or the way it used to be written.

    You’re acknowledging the way the rule actually reads, and saying it’s a stupid rule. That’s a valid topic for discussion. We can all have opinions as to whether the rule protects receivers enough or too much, and whether this kind of play belongs or doesn’t belong in the game of football.

    That’s where the discussion should be, because, as the rule is written, it’s clearly a personal foul.

  40. Tough to call, but you i think it does fall within the new rule.. even being a bills fan I want to say, that i dont think the game should turn into two hand touch..

  41. they don’t want real football like that anymore. Now we play “worship the passing game”.

    Let’s put colored jerseys on QB’s

    If they want to protect receivers, go back to the rules where a back could bump the receiver until the ball was in the air. That’ll slow ’em down

  42. ” All you tough guys, if you don’t like the new rules, go watch something else.”

    That’s me. At least I know what “football is.”

    You on the other hand cannot tell the difference between a good game and Dancing with the Stars.

  43. The real problem with this, is that it was an illegal hit. Even though the guy attempted to lead with a shoulder he made helmet to helmet contact. Period, end of story, a clear violation of the rules regarding defenseless receivers.

    Whether it was a cheap shot or not is another question. IMO, and just my opinion, the guy saw the ball coming, knew the receiver couldn’t get to it and took a shot to intimidate and show off for the coaches. It turned out to be more than just a guy taking a shot and I thought it was a cheap shot. That’s still a matter of opinion, the rules don’t/can’t differentiate between cheap shot and hard playing. I’m into hard playing but there is a line and Moore crossed it. He saw the ball, saw the WR couldn’t get to it and took a shot at the guy. I doubt that he took the shot with the intention of hurting him, but he took the shot, nonetheless….

  44. If the defender lowers himself to make the hit, then he has already given up on trying to make a play on the ball. Last I checked the ball comes from above, not below. QB’s are told to hit the receiver “in the numbers”, how is it a dirty shot to then go after the chest area??

  45. all of these comments about it not being helmet to helmet are absurd. look at the play. Moore intentionally takes the crown of his helmet and strikes Jones in the CHIN where there is no helmet to protect him. Jones would have been better off if Moore had hit his helmet.

    It is called tackle football, not spearing football. Spearing has never been allowed in the league why would it be allowed on a player’s chin.

    Disgusting hit. Fine him his entire year salary to make these cheap shots gone for good.

    As far as taking the big shots out of the game. Why would it? Have you ever seen Ray Lewis spear anyone? Never. Always big hits that are clean.

  46. This was a clean hit! So basically according to the new rule Moore has to wait to see if he’s going to catch the ball or not to be able to hit him like this?

    This is football! All of these guys grew up playing this game and they know how violent it can be. Now if Moore would have clearly been leading with his helmet like Merriweather did last year, then the fine is totally ok. But he was just making a clean hit on the guy!

    These players get paid a ton of money to go out there, and nobody is twisting their arm telling them that they HAVE to go out there and be a professional football player.
    The paychecks look pretty good for them week in and week out, so let them play the game!
    Sissy league!

  47. And weather it’s right or wrong…
    ———————————————
    There’s snow way the league should fine Moore. It was a thundering hit, but the NFL is just raining fines down, warming players that they’re physical play isn’t cool.

  48. Ok, then the league needs to start fining 300 pound offensive linemen $20,000 for leading with their helments, hitting a defenseless defensive lineman low (while he’s already ingaged with another player), and for them ‘horse collar’ blocks they so often use!

  49. @bufflo66
    Are you watching the same video as me? I’ve actually watched it numerous times.
    He does NOT lead with his helmet! It’s completely 100% shoulder. It’s a lame call.

    Lol Buffalo fan… the best part is when your “star” WR Stevie Johnson wants to start a fight until he see’s he’s about to get is A$$ whooped by DJ Williams.

    But anyways it’s a football hit, if you have a problem with it, then you don’t like football. I’m sorry that Rahim Moore plays with intensity and some authority. Seems like everyone has forgotten what football is supposed to be.

    PS expect this Donald Jones guy to be going up with a little more caution on the sidelines now.
    Fitzpatrick led him there, so I’d say he’s the one to blame.

  50. Buflo66. Do ur research dude. Ray lewis was fined 25000 for the ocho hit in 2009. Glad ur such a huge fan and have obviously watched football for a whole year. Do ur research before u post saying Ray lewis NEVER had a illegal hit.

  51. Did he lead with the helmet? No. Did he launch or spear? No. Did he go after the head and neck area? No. Watch the play. Jones jumps for the ball with Moore running directly towards him. There is no time for Moore to make a play on the ball because he was a little late. Jones start coming down and Moore comes in and hits Jones in the chest area with his shoulder as Jones is coming down. Jones’ helmet comes forward into Moore’s helmet. Jones drops the pass because Moore jarred it loose, but he was knocked out from it. Tough break and unfortunate, but it was a clean, hard hit.

  52. The league can solve the problem easily. Poll a odd number of players on any questionable hit. Let the players decide since they PLAY in the league. No decision like this should be made soley by GODdell.

  53. “Are you watching the same video as me? I’ve actually watched it numerous times.
    He does NOT lead with his helmet! It’s completely 100% shoulder. ”

    I’m watching the same video, but you aren’t reading the same rules. Shoulder to neck area of a defenseless receiver is a personal foul. Leading with the helmet is a violation, too, but it’s not the only violation of the rules.

  54. Rahim Moore fined $20,000 for knocking out Donald Jones
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The title of this post is what’s wrong with the system. The penalty/fine should be based on the play itself, not the aftermath (except on those few obviously blatant headhunting incidents where a player is injured) If a clean hit results in an injury, there should be no flag or fine.

  55. @denverdave3

    Sorry, I have never watched Dancing with the Stars, but let me know what day and time its on, and I’ll check it out for you.

    As far as the hit in question, there is nothing “tough” or “hard-nosed”, about a guy taking a 20 yard run and spearing a defensless player in the head. Its not football. Its dangerous. I don’t know how old you are, but if you have some spare time today, google the name Darryl Stingley and read up on his life. It might change your opinion.

  56. As far as taking the big shots out of the game. Why would it? Have you ever seen Ray Lewis spear anyone? Never. Always big hits that are clean.”

    The purpose of these flags is to prevent INJURY to players. Too many players have gone buggy in their 40’s.

    How many hits did Earl Campbell take? He was fearless. Now he’s on meds for anxiety attacks. Other players are having issues like dementia (constant confusion), depression, suicide and other issues that aren’t normally seen until we reach our 70’s.

    Remember Muhammad Ali? He used to be sharp as a tack. Now his body is ravaged by Parkinson’s disease and the effects of recent spinal surgery. He tires easily. People move him around in a wheelchair.

    How about Darryl Stingley? Excellent wide receiver. Jack Tatum nailed him hard while he was going for a ball. Broke his neck. Ruined his life. That’s the kind of injury we don’t want to see but Moore was willing to dish out.

    A lot of the guys who submit here sound like romans at the coliseum watching the gladiators fight. The more blood the merrier! Kill! Kill!

    Football isn’t about knocking people out of the game. It’s about scoring and preventing scoring. How it’s done is what makes football so interesting. But you have to have players on the field, not in the hospital to do that.

  57. @quirtevans
    Well then I guess what I’m saying then is that I don’t agree with the rule.

    @habsman
    I understand that some men have been hurt and sometimes effected for the rest of their lives, but does that mean that they should create a rule for everyone to follow? It’s just like the “Brady Rule.” Tom Brady and Carson Palmer get there knees jacked up so they create a rule for it. Then T.O. breaks his leg from a horse collar tackle, and they make a rule for it. Where does it end??
    All I’m saying is these guys that are getting hurt, and maybe have lifelong injuries to deal with KNOW what they are getting themselves into, and they are looking for the fame and the big paycheck, which I’m not against at all. With high risk comes high reward.
    I can’t go to a waterpark and not expect to get wet, football players can’t play a violent sport and expect not to get injured. It’s just how it goes.

  58. And I’m not saying that there aren’t some hits that are totally uncalled for and just inappropriate. I know there are some guys just out there head hunting. But I don’t believe that this was the case with Rahim Moore’s hit on Donald Jones.

  59. “As far as taking the big shots out of the game. Why would it? Have you ever seen Ray Lewis spear anyone? Never. Always big hits that are clean.”

    The purpose of these flags is to prevent INJURY to players. Too many players have gone buggy in their 40’s.

    How many hits did Earl Campbell take? He was fearless. Now he’s on meds for anxiety attacks. Other players are having issues like dementia (constant confusion), depression, suicide and other issues that aren’t normally seen until we reach our 70’s.

    Remember Muhammad Ali? He used to be sharp as a tack. Now his body is ravaged by Parkinson’s disease and the effects of recent spinal surgery. He tires easily. People move him around in a wheelchair.

    How about Darryl Stingley? Excellent wide receiver. Jack Tatum nailed him hard while he was going for a ball. Broke his neck. Ruined his life. That’s the kind of injury we don’t want to see but Moore was willing to dish out.

    A lot of the guys who submit here sound like romans at the coliseum watching the gladiators fight. The more blood the merrier! Kill! Kill!

    Football isn’t about knocking people out of the game. It’s about scoring and preventing scoring. How it’s done is what makes football so interesting. But you have to have players on the field, not in the hospital to do that.

  60. I’m puzzled. If this play was in the Superbowl and buffalo was down 6, would this still be called? The hit was clean and it looked as if he was trying to jar the ball loose. If the receiver catches the ball and the safety lets up and they loose the game, then everyone is blaming him for not making a football play. Even the db got up looking remorseful. I guess the football we loved as kids will be no more. WELCOME TO THE NPL!

  61. As a Broncos season ticket holder, my opinion is biassed, so I won’t give it…..

    I’m just really happy we finally have a safety with enough speed to get to the sideline when the ball is in the air…..haven’t had that for years.

  62. db’s know they shouldn’t lead into a receiver anywhere near the chest/neck/head area!

    He should have put his shoulder into the area from the waist up to the arm pit.

  63. Anyone who agrees with this fine either has never played football or doesn’t understand football. Watching football every Sunday doesn’t make you a football expert. I am no expert myself, but I have played the game and spend a lot of time following it. This hit is what used to be celebrated. A hard hit, to the chest, no spearing, clean and devastating. I think the fans need to get together and get a national pool going to pay all fines for hits that were at one point considered part of the game.
    Thanks for contradicting yourself by clarifying how u watch a ton of football yet the rest of us are not experts for watxhing a lot of football…why do we care what u think now?

    Oh and yeah, goodell isn’t the only one who dishes the fines….

  64. After reading some of these comments I can see that a lot of people didn’t even watch the hit. There’s absolutely no question that Moore should have been fined for it. You can hear the two helmets collide together, and you can also see the crown of Moore’s helmet hit Jones right in the face. Helmet-to-Helmet contact, textbook illegal hit. Open and shut case.

  65. I will catch grief for my observation (by handle), but I have to say this was a clean, non-launch hit. I watched the video, and the hit was from the shoulder / upper arm area to the receivers chest. The speed of both players made it seem “violent”, especially with a receiver being extended out vertically. I AM against helmet led hits… With that being stated, I totally disagree with the penalty and fine. The job of the DB or Safety is to not allow the receiver to catch the ball… with clean hits… which this was…

  66. @Bronkofanatic,

    I totally understand what you are saying.

    However, if we don’t protect the players, then the game itself is diminished. Darryl Stingley is probably the best example. How good could he have been? His life was ruined, and so was Jack Tatum’s because of that hit.

    Would you like the same thing to happen to Larry Fitzgerald? Desean Jackson (he almost got killed last year)? Reggis Wayne? Wes Welker?

    Would the game be better or more interesting without these guys? I think we know the answer to that.

    The rules are in place for a reason. Its so we can enjoy the talent of these guys on a weekly basis, not their back-ups.

  67. Typical Donkey cheap shot – that’s how they teach them there…from dirty chop blocks that have caused many an injury to launching with your helmet to twisting a guy’s knee after he’s down. Seen it many times over the years…that’s the ‘Denver Way’.

  68. @ paullewisville
    “Football isn’t about knocking people out of the game. It’s about scoring and preventing scoring. How it’s done is what makes football so interesting. But you have to have players on the field, not in the hospital to do that.”

    By your standards, you might as well take tackling out of the game, and play some two hand touch football. No risk of injury there.

  69. @habsman. If u have some time today maybe research that RAY LEWIS HAS BEEN FINED. U say he never has. I don’t know how old u are but u must have missed the 2009 season. And dancing with the stars usually comes on around 8 but u r probably busy watching ur dvr recording of dr phil. Get a life. Instead of telling broncdave what to look up maybe u should respond to posts where someone has PROVED U WRONG.

  70. paullewisville says:
    Aug 25, 2011 11:46 AM
    Football isn’t about knocking people out of the game. It’s about scoring and preventing scoring. How it’s done is what makes football so interesting. But you have to have players on the field, not in the hospital to do that.
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    You can’t prevent people from scoring if you are forced to allow them to just catch the ball because they are considered “defenseless”. A guy with his arms in the air with the ball coming toward him is basically defenseless…so don’t touch him. Allow him to make the catch, secure the ball, and THEN try to knock it from his hands….is that what you are saying? Try doing that and tell me how it works out for you. The hit that took place was just as much the fault of the QB as it was the defender. The receiver got hung out to dry. Try changing your posture as a defender in less than a second to prevent that hit…..get back to me on that one too.

    It’s all very nice the people you mention as having been affected by hits and such. What about the players who AREN’T affected by it? For every one NFL player who has some sort of issues, there are ten more who don’t.

    This isn’t about wanting to see guys get hurt. But, in any sport, that is part of the package. There is a risk in just about every sport imaginable. Reducing injury RISKS don’t always reduce injuries. And when the rules are put in place to reduce those risks basically affects the very fabric of the way the game is played, then things have gone too far. When the players who are performing begin to protest, things have gone too far. If you don’t want to see the injuries, change the channel.

    What Goodell is doing is akin to a president outlawing guns because the risk of having them is dangerous. But the fact is, that would change the very fabric of America, and most citizens want no part of it, therefore it shouldn’t happen. Goodell telling the players “this is for your own good” is him basically telling them they don’t know how to govern themselves. It’s ludicrous, particularly coming from someone who never participated at that level of competition. He’s a blundering fool that is going to ruin the game. In time he will be looked at as the worst NFL commisioner in history.

  71. in normal motion it looks like a nasty hit. but once you see it in slow motion.. you can tell tht he was leading with his shoulders and was just trying to knock the ball out.
    This players are playing for a spot, how do you want them to get the noticed by the coaches? by not trying to hurt anyone? They make it hard fot this rookies to make an impression.

  72. “Although Moore says he was just trying to lead with his shoulder and knock the ball loose…”

    Okay the reciever did attempt to go up but the ball was overthrown and never even touched his hands. And he was along the sideline. I’m just saying he never had possesion of the ball, or close to it.
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    How can anyone take you serious!? You made me question what I saw, so I had to go back and watch. What are you talking about? Ball bounced right of WR’s hands…Then no more than a 10th of a second later moore hit him with his shoulder. So plz tell me how at full speed he should slow down?

    I’m sure Moore learned a lesson to aim lower, but hey if WR ducks your still screwed.

  73. @habsman. Sry half that comment was intended for @bufflo66 the other half was for u. Got u two knuckleheads mixed up.

  74. What’s gonna happen when someone gets hurt trying to NOT hit someone? Keep letting Goodell have his way…a female will be drafted in the next 10-15 years…he’s got the guys playing soft…

  75. This was a clean hit and very typical of the way a safety should try to dislodge the ball from a receiver. The way I see it, Moore was penalized, and later fined, not because it was an illegal hit, but because he hit the receiver ‘too hard’.

    This was a bogus call and shame on the commissioner’s office for levying the fine even
    after a thorough review. They are fudging the
    rules of the game and causing confusion.

    If a clean hit, as this was, is being fined, what will happen in less obvious plays?

  76. Looked clean to me. Was he supposed to let the guy catch it first and then try to drag him down by his jersey? He did the right thing by trying to separate the receiver from the ball, and he led with his shoulder. Hits like this are a byproduct of the type of game these guys play.

  77. Nice hit, it was clean and the new CBA should have that fine reduced, it goes by your pay…we play Buffalo this year, I hope the QB and receiver run that same play so we can get in on that action…

  78. If the league is goin to fine every hard hit at least drop the price also Donald jones chin strap ended up at his nose are these guys properly buckling on there helmets

  79. This is a deserved fine. I can’t believe anyone would disagree. Former players are suing the NFL for concussions. This is how the NFL will protect themselves from future litigation. On the street its assault but Donald Jones can’t sue Morris for it. So the NFL will pay for health insurance for all players by fining the big hitters. These hits although fun to watch aren’t fiction. It’s not the movies, its a guys brain crashing into his skull.

  80. @naygerkid

    What are you talking about was over his head and over thrown. Did you watch the replay? Did you watch it in slow motion? THE BALL ONLY HITS HIM IN THE HANDS. Tell me how that is an uncatchable ball?

  81. I believe and some may argue that this rule could potentially cause the same if not more injuries to defenseless receivers. If you think about it these guys:
    A) Are going into the games knowing that they have a rule in place to protect them.
    B) Will more often go up top in traffic to make a catch.
    C) Wont prepare or brace themselves for the fierce hit that is about to take place. Even though these fines are in place the defense will still make these hits and take the fines!
    Potentially these receivers are more defenseless then ever because they “think” they are being protected from this flawed rule that is boring defensive football, and right when they try diving across the middle or stretching under a safety BOOM!!!

    I believe the rule has helped protecting QB’s but receivers will not get the same benefit…

  82. This seems pretty simple to me. Let’s ask a couple of questions.

    1. Did he lead with his shoulder – Yes (legal)
    2. Did he hit the receiver in the chin – Yes (not legal)
    3. Did he tackle properly – No

    Find me one real football player who is told to tackle with their shoulder the way this dude did. It’s just not the correct method to tackle. Had he hit the receiver with his shoulder and at the same time wrapped him with his arms the hit would have been lower and appropriate (and he still would have dropped the ball).

    I don’t like some of the rules, but this whole hitting someone with your shoulder to “blow them up” makes for great TV highlight reels and jacked up moments, but is not the correct way to TACKLE. When tackling correctly suffice to say there would be less injuries to both the offensive and defensive players.

  83. There is clear helmet to helmet contact on that play and Moore did in fact launch.

    The guy was on the sideline all Moore would have had to do was shove him out of bounds and it would have been a incomplete pass as there is no force out rule anymore.

    The helmet to helmet may have been incidental and not on purpose but it happend none the less. Jones was out cold before he ever hit the ground.

  84. moores helmet hit jones’ face. fact. moore meets the definition of headhunting by launching(clearly he launched) his body into jones after jones left the ground by leaping for the ball. the opposition to the fine comes from the same guys that watch nascar only for the wrecks. its not ruining the sport at all.

    more importantly was the fire that stevie johnson showed after the hit. it was great to see the fire of andre reed in this kid, and that he is invested in his team.

  85. That was a clean hit. Moore didn’t launch. He didn’t spear. He did exactly what he’s been trained to do. It was textbook. Those saying otherwise are either too partisan to make a rational comment (and for the record, I like the Bills and hate the Broncos) or they have no idea what defensive backs do.

    The refs and Stevie Johnson reacted to the result of the hit rather than the technique of the hit. Johnson was being a supportive teammate. The refs are paid to know better. All this fining stuff is just PR to keep Congress off the NFL’s back. Goodell is a menace to the sport and should be recalled.

  86. Some of the comments on here are baffling and/or total nonsense.

    Those claiming that Moore launched, I urge you to pause the directed video to the 54 sec mark. Moore’s feet are clearly on the ground at the moment of contact.
    Discredited.

    Those claiming that Moore lead with his helmet and speared the receiver are blind, liars or plain fools. It was a shoulder tackle to the chest area meant to dislodge the ball had Jones held on.
    Discredited.

    Those claiming that incidental helmet-to-helmet contact is an automatically a penalty don’t know the rules and have never played football. You can’t prevent some sort of helmet contact during a tackle. Your head does rest above your shoulders after all.
    Discredited.

    Those claiming that Jones was knocked cold from a head shot are wrong. The receiver’s head whipped back and as he fell backwards and hitting the ground knocked him out-
    — 55 sec mark.
    Discredited.

    Let’s take off our blinders and keep it real in here folks. No need to create misleading fabrications.
    It was a clean hit.

  87. looks like he got a little tiny piece of his head on accident. but i bet you wouldnt be able to tell unless you saw it super slo-mo. 20,000 is a lot of money for first time offender.

  88. I have no problem with Goodell and how he handles these players. The inmates cannot and should not run the asylumn. It’s been my experience that if you don’t like the rules of your workplace you go and find a new job.

  89. Deb and choppinwood, check the definition of launched used by the nfl. moore propelled his body upwards at the 54 sec mark. but thats not even the main point.

    the position that jones was in when he recieved the hit, IS THE POSTER DEFINITION OF A DEFENSLESS RECIEVER.

    did he lead with his shoulder? YES*

    did he cause helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless reciever? YES

    aaaaand boom goes the dynamite. back to your caves.

  90. @stanmackley …

    Watched that hit in slo-mo frame-by-frame. He didn’t leave his feet, although it wouldn’t surprise me for Roger Goodell to redefine the word launch. He did not lead with his shoulder. If the receiver’s head snaps and his head hits the defender’s helmet, there is no possible way a defender can prevent that. I vote they put Goodell in a uniform and demonstrate a few hits using him as the dummy. Then maybe he’ll understand. Back to your hole in the ground.

  91. @deb your attempt at making a point could only be considered if there was no such stipulation on a DEFENSELESS RECIEVER.
    moore didnt leave his feet because he made contact with jones while launching upwards. again, no-one is addressing the fact that jones was indeed, a
    d.e.f.e.n.s.l.e.s.s. r.e.i.c.e.v.e.r.

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