There’s no question who’s running the Raiders

Florio and our friend Paul Gutierrez pointed this out on PFT Live Tuesday, but it’s worth repeating: Hue Jackson is suddenly a one-man show in Oakland.

The Carson Palmer trade makes it obvious that Jackson is the one making the decisions for the Raiders.  Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com has confirmed that fact, reporting that Jackson has complete control of all personnel decisons.

That may not be a long-term solution, but Freeman believes it could last through the end of the season.

Does this trade get done if Al Davis is still alive?  Jackson’s relationship with Bengals owner Mike Brown was said to be a key factor in making the move.

As a coach, Jackson is going to think more about the short-term interests of the team.  He has a playoff-caliber squad and doesn’t want to see it sunk by Kyle Boller.

Jackson had the unique power as coach and personnel boss to do something dramatic.

(Picture courtesy of Raiders.com. The trade is now official.)

102 responses to “There’s no question who’s running the Raiders

  1. How do you give someone control over all personnel decisions only through the end of the season when the decisions impact the franchise for years?

  2. Well, that makes sense. Last time I checked Hue Jackson is a coach, not a GM. Only a select few are capable to be both.

    Also, when did Jason Garrett sign with the Raiders?

  3. Seems like the Raiders overpaid, but it’s hard to blame them. Jackson is trying to parlay the emotion of Davis’ death into a championship.

  4. Hue is great but I hope he consulted with John Madden or Ron Wolf before making this huge gamble.

  5. He’s following in Al’s footsteps. I won’t be surprised if he becomes partial owner next, then majority owner, then thorn in a commish’s side. I love this guy!

  6. Ever one wants to win now or else pats can trade brady for 3 first round picks n plan for the future!!

  7. Raiders fans are loving it! But watch out, they are going to regret letting the Cable guy go. He’s the one that made this team a potential playoff team but this Jackson guy is going to gamble it all away(Love it)! How many games does he think he can win with fake punts and fake field goals. Next thing you know he’ll be deferring the opening kick-off so he can try an onside kick. Now your going to trade a away your future for and old qb?

  8. @edmazeing1

    If the Bengals can get 2 first rounders for Palmer I’m pretty sure the Pats could get like 6 for Brady lol

  9. Raiders gave up too much to get him no question, on the other hand it gives their fans something to be excited about, he’ll look good in Silver and black and this gives them a better chance to win. Works for now, might not work out later.

  10. Are we sure at this point that Oakland didn’t just trade away a couple picks for a guy that *looks* like Carson Palmer?

  11. Just pound the ball and pick your spots in the veritcal play action game and get to know Kevin Boss in the red-zone and don;t turnover the ball and could turn into one of the best teams in the AFC.

  12. “stopthehate15bowdown says:
    Oct 18, 2011 4:38 PM
    Raiders fans are loving it! But watch out, they are going to regret letting the Cable guy go. He’s the one that made this team a potential playoff team but this Jackson guy is going to gamble it all away(Love it)! How many games does he think he can win with fake punts and fake field goals. Next thing you know he’ll be deferring the opening kick-off so he can try an onside kick. Now your going to trade a away your future for and old qb?”

    Are you related to Cable or something?

  13. This is a gutsy and VERY risky move by Oakland, but let’s look at their youth movement:

    RBs – McFadden and Bush are still fresh, and Taiwan Jones is a rookie.

    WRs – Their four favorites – Ford, DHB, Murphy, and Moore, have all been in less than 4 years.

    O-Line – two starting rookies and one second year man – and they’re performing well above expectations.

    D-Line – Shaughnessy and Houston are still young, as is resurgent Jarvis Moss.

    LBs – Kamerion Wimbley is the vet, but McClain is in year two, and Aaron Curry – who played well in his first Raider game – is young.

    CBs – Raiders have two rookies who have each started at least one game this year, and held up well.

    Safetys – Mike Mitchell hits hard and Branch and Huff still have a few good years.

    K and P – Jano and Lechler, hell they can go forever.

    Youth is on the Raiders side… Seymour trade doesn’t look so bad now. We’ll see if the Palmer move is right or bust city.

  14. Raiders are in big trouble if they are letting a coach, who is playing for present (verses future), make decisions. Also consider that this guy has a poor logic filter (almost blew Browns game on a poor HC decision)…If I’m a Raiders fan…I’d be concerned.

  15. congrats bengals! u just gained the rights to draft a first rounder who wont report til u pay him 4X as much than he thinks hes worth.

  16. Didn’t Oakland learn from Denver’s mistake of allowing their head coach to have too much say in making personnel decisions? McDaniels set them back years.

  17. Was Palmer sick? Why does he look so skinny now? His neck looks 10lbs lighter or he aged a lot (or the photo is bad).

    I am thinking the Bengals got a smoking deal…

  18. Very gutsy. They gave up an awful lot to get him. I think one thing that has gotten lost in the shuffle in all of this is the fact that Carson Palmer is simply terrible. Didn’t he throw like 39 pick 6’s last year?

  19. A solid trade for both sides. Anyone see Palmer’s contract number with Oakland? Great job on the Raiders side too working the cap.

    4 years
    7.5m guarantee
    2.5m for 2011
    12.5m for 2012
    13m for 2013
    15m for 2014

    I feel bad for Dalton, I feel like he was only given everything he has around him because Brown wanted to piss Palmer off. Remember in 2005 Palmer had a solid team. They slowly downgraded the offensive line by trading key guys away, left him with a cancer WR, and to make matters worst they gave him another cancer WR.

    Palmer is still an elite QB in my book, and a change in scenery will bring that back out in him.

    Palmer gets a dynamic running game #2 in the NFL. He hands off to McFadden and Bush. He throws to Heyward-Bey who is developing into a great WR. He also has great contributors from Ford, Moore, and Murphy.

    Then to top it off he gets the play behind the probably the best offensive line in football. The Oakland Raiders have only surrender 6 sacks, tied fewest with Buffalo. Not to mention 1 of those sacks Jason Campbell tripped. So 5 sacks has been surrendered by the Raiders’ offensive line.

  20. Is that Carson Palmer or Jason Garrett in the pic? Did Jerry Jones fire Jason Garrett and now he was hired to run the show in Oakland. Man this is a fast paced business.

  21. I think as of right now Cincy won the trade. But if Carson plays well enough to elevate it from a 1st in 2012 and a 2nd in 2013 to 1st rounders in both years the trade will be a win for both.

    The Raiders have enough youth in key positions that is playing well enough where they can afford a gamble like this. Talent won’t walk from this organization even with the death of Al.

    I still can’t stand the Raiders but it is good to see both Bay Area teams starting to get back in the upswing.

  22. Hue needs a GM or he is going to doom this team with moves like this. I think 2 possible 1st rounders was a bad move.. but i’m not an “expert” so it doesn’t matter what i think.
    Good luck raiders…

  23. Did the Raiders realize Carson was a sick patient when they did the deal?? I sure he is going to have to pass a physical and that is in not a done deal in my mind by looking at this scarecrows weight..

  24. Not a good situation for the Raiders, not saying he’s a bad coach but he doesnt have expertise in this area

  25. damnyoulinelliot says:
    Oct 18, 2011 5:02 PM
    Carson Palmer sits around and does nothing: loses weight.

    Jamarcus Russel sits around and does nothing: gains 400 lbs.

    Dude that is cracking me up?

    Maybe the Purple Drank had something to do with it?

  26. Every single one of you guys who are saying this is a bad trade before Palmer ever steps on the field for Oakland….. remember you said that….because when he is a success all you same fools will be saying how you all knew along that it was a great idea….JUST WIN BABY.

  27. To Raiders’ fans:

    First, let me premise this by saying that the Raiders are my AFC team to root for. Now, as far as the trade….WORSE THAN DRAFTING RUSSELL

    Palmer is a quitter and his best days are long behind him. He’s probably equal to Kolb who only fetched a 2nd and an overrated corner. Giving up a 1st and a 2nd!!! Dumb, dumb move that will set the Raiders back YET again.

    They should have traded for a stopgap (Rosenfels, Young, McNabb) and see what happens. Now you won’t be able to draft your difference maker for at least 3 years, which will be too late.

  28. Anyone who believes the Raiders arent headed to higher places is either jealous or just dumb. This franchise is on the edge of being a top 3 contender in the AFC.

  29. yes … This is bad very very bad trade for the AFC west ….the Raiders have a great shot at winning the west and the AFC title now … The Raider hater bandwagon is over flowing now …. Wooohooo.

    The only reason Brown made the trade is because AD’s death.

  30. Last month I saw Carson at a park in San Diego. So I got a chance to talk to him for a few minutes.

    Since Im a big Raiders fan, I told him to come to the Raiders. He said, “the Raiders don’t need me, they have Campbell.”

    Well now we dont have Campbell, and he ended up coming to the Raiders. I wonder if he thought about our conversation when he signed his contract lol

  31. psdaleno says: Oct 18, 2011 4:48 PM

    congrats bengals! u just gained the rights to draft a first rounder who wont report til u pay him 4X as much than he thinks hes worth.

    ————————-

    you do know there is such a thing as a rookie pay scale now, right?

    It’s win win for the Bengals, you don’t have to overpay for what should be 2 picks outside the top 20 and you get to keep them for 5 years now.

  32. Here’s the deal… the price SEEMS steep, but anyone who says that it was too much, must have a crystal ball. We won’t know until it all shakes out. On the other hand, anyone who says it’s a great trade for the Raiders, need to reel it in also. Not gonna know how this one turns out for awhile.

    Also… reports are that the only way for the deal to include that other first rounder is if the Raiders play in the AFC Championship game in the next two years. And if Palmer takes the team THAT far, how can you argue against the trade value being to steep?

    I liked Jason Campbell… but I always had serious doubts as to whether he could take the team any further than an early exit from the playoffs. There are doubts surrounding Palmer also… but he has a helluva lot more upside at this point than Campbell had before he was even hurt.

  33. Have to think that they will move somebody at some point to recover 1 of those picks. Maybe not a 1st rounder, but I’d be shocked if the team has no picks on day 1 of the 2012 draft.

  34. What does he care, once the team is sold they will hire a new coach. The more games Hue wins this year, the better his chances are at getting a new gig. Why would he care if the franchise will be set back 5 or 7 years by this absurd trade. Palmer will perform like McNabb has. It will be a disaster.

  35. @Chairman Al:

    Wow, that’s like 24 Pro-Bowlers. Why’d they even bother overpaying and mortgaging the future for a huge question mark @QB? Really think they’re gonna win the SB this yr? I guess you never know, but…

  36. humb0lt says: Oct 18, 2011 4:56 PM

    There’s no question who’s ruining the Raiders.

    Ruining? Is humb0lt admitting there was something to ruin? Considering the source, that’s almost a compliment.

    cereal blogger says: Oct 18, 2011 5:09 PM

    Not a good situation for the Raiders, not saying he’s a bad coach but he doesnt have expertise in this area

    He does have experience with Boller and Palmer. I bet he closed his eyes and pictured his offense with Boller, then with Palmer, and then asked Brown, “Are you SURE you only want two firsts?”

  37. How long until Carson requires them to pick up his brother as a back up?

    Such a good move for the Bengals. Unload QB with no heart and zero leadership skills and end up with a 1st and 2nd. Fantastic.

  38. Kind of reminds me of the Saints trading away their whole draft for Ricky Williams. Carson is an average to slightly above average QB but is no way worth even a 1 and a 2. Thank-You Cincy for ensuring the Chargers the AFC West crown for years to come….

  39. New England does this move (I know why would they have to) they are geniuses. Raiders do in and they are crazy.

    Let it play out before we judge it.

    Raiders have to make the AFC championship either this year or next otherwise it’s a first in 2012 and only a second in 2013 according to the NFL network.

  40. This just in!!! Raiders give up another #1 to get Ochostinko and bring back that dynamic Palmer to Ocho combo !!!!!!!

  41. Hue Jackson is continuing the great Al Davis tradition of baffling and self-destructive Oakland Raider player acquisitions.

    A committment to excrement!
    Just cover baby!

  42. “Does this trade get done if Al Davis is still alive? Jackson’s relationship with Bengals owner Mike Brown was said to be a key factor in making the move.”

    The trade doesn’t get done if Al was alive because he would never give up those draft picks. Jackson was willing to.

  43. Belichick would never trade two firsts for a QB. He’s the one who trades players for picks. This move is stupid. Palmer is not an elite qb. He is not in the class of Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Roethlisberger. You could argue that he’s not even in the next group of Vick, Ryan, Cutler, Eli Manning, Flacco. He’s an average starter who is on the back nine who loses as much as he wins. The Bills wouldn’t trade Fitzpatrick even up for him. He’s average.

  44. raiderapologist says:
    Oct 18, 2011 5:43 PM
    humb0lt says: Oct 18, 2011 4:56 PM

    There’s no question who’s ruining the Raiders.

    Ruining? Is humb0lt admitting there was something to ruin? Considering the source, that’s almost a compliment.

    cereal blogger says: Oct 18, 2011 5:09 PM

    Not a good situation for the Raiders, not saying he’s a bad coach but he doesnt have expertise in this area

    He does have experience with Boller and Palmer. I bet he closed his eyes and pictured his offense with Boller, then with Palmer, and then asked Brown, “Are you SURE you only want two firsts?”
    ========================
    He has expertise with Palmer, Palmer will only have to manage the offense, make reads, throw quickly….this move makes sense in the short term. They can re-sign Campbell as a back-up, or draft a late pick. It reeks of desperation …

  45. The problem with a trade like this is we will probably have to wait a good 4 seasons to see who exactly won on this trade. By that time Oakland will know what they have in Palmer and we will know what Cincy got for those pick.

    @pastabelly

    If Al were still alive he would be getting blasted for making this trade.

  46. Kinda like Fins situation… but Oak upgraded when they needed it most. Fins are sinking because the GM is lack-luster and the Owner is a backstabber.

  47. I think people are underestimated how well Jason Campbell played and how poorly Carson Palmer has played epecially in big games. Upgrade? really? The Bengals robbed the raiders here.

    The raiders will probably still win the division as long as McFadden and Bush stay healthy but it will be because of the running game and not Carson Palmer.

  48. Well Here’s my 2 cents once again, lol. Disclaimer: I am not a Carson Palmer fan but when we talk about what the Raiders gave up, lets look at cold, hard facts.

    On the Raiders current roster they have only 6 players with over 10 years of NFL experience: Seymour, Lechler, Jano, Cartwirght, Henderson and Cooper. 3 of those players are strictly special teamers, not to diminish their value, but it is what it is. 2 are kickers, albeit damn good ones! Palmer (9), Boller, CJ and Kelly (8), Barnes, Giordano, Routt and Campbell (7). From this point on the Raiders have 38 players on their active roster with 6 or less years of NFL experience. They have to be one of the youngest teams in the NFL! This alone makes drafting in the next 2 years not really an issue. They’ll pick low, extremely low but with that kind of youth, you don’t need a slew of high picks.

    Palmer’s transition into the Raider offense won’t be that difficult being that Hue coached in Cincy running the same offense. He went out and got someone he’s knows and is familiar with. Carson won’t have to deal with the ego’s, the Diva receiver(s) syndrome that eventually kills every offense in it’s wake. He has good, young receivers working hard to become better. He’s got a running game. He’s got what most of us suspected to be the most uncertain part of the offense playing the best: the offense line.

    Draft picks are only a “kings” ransom when they work out, if they work out. That’s why it’s called a Draft. No matter what they did before, you really don’t know what you are getting. It’s the NFL’s version of a crap shoot.

    My point is, looking at the youth on the Raiders at literally every position, I don’t see the gamble over the next 2 years. It’s a risk, but it’s very “calculated”.

    The only thing that remains to be seen is if Palmer has anything left in the tank, that’s all.

    I see the logic in the trade. It makes perfect sense. Doesn’t mean I like Palmer, but I understand!!!

  49. Grinds My Gear says:
    Oct 18, 2011 5:01 PM
    A solid trade for both sides. Anyone see Palmer’s contract number with Oakland? Great job on the Raiders side too working the cap.

    4 years
    7.5m guarantee
    2.5m for 2011
    12.5m for 2012
    13m for 2013
    15m for 2014

    ———————————
    The Raiders are one of the best at the cap game, per NFL execs. Teams are recently using tactics Al used for years….text that.

  50. jakek2 says: Oct 18, 2011 5:18 PM

    To Raiders’ fans:

    First, let me premise this by saying that the Raiders are my AFC team to root for. Now, as far as the trade….WORSE THAN DRAFTING RUSSELL

    Palmer is a quitter and his best days are long behind him. He’s probably equal to Kolb who only fetched a 2nd and an overrated corner. Giving up a 1st and a 2nd!!! Dumb, dumb move that will set the Raiders back YET again.

    They should have traded for a stopgap (Rosenfels, Young, McNabb) and see what happens. Now you won’t be able to draft your difference maker for at least 3 years, which will be too late.
    —————————————————-
    In the NFL, Super Bowls are won by teams that make bold moves. This is one of those bold moves. Hue Jackson’s style of coaching is very much like John Gruden’s. We all remember what John Gruden did to the Raider Nation. What’s different now in 2011 is that Hue Jackson is not controlled by one man alone, respectfully. He is advised by several experienced and dedicated personnel who have either played or coached for Al Davis’
    Oakland Raiders. This is the year Oakland Raider Fans!

    COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE

  51. Bigtganks says:

    80 mil in the bank and THAT’S the $3 watch you own?
    ———————————————————

    You just explained how he was able to save $80mil.

  52. yep, he never has to talk to Amy or Mark about anything…..Amy just said here you go do what ever you want, when ever you want.

    You guys know nothing about the raiders.

  53. I read these people saying it’s a good deal for now but the future is questionable. They don’t know the Raiders, do they? The Raiders barely have a 2012 draft as it stands. It’s “win now” mode for that franchise.

  54. Bollers wife is hot

    and when did Raider nation begin taking composition classes, who the hell is gonna read that stuff

  55. Perhaps without all the weight he might try to move out of the pocket before his entire body is shredded, not just the knee..

  56. psdaleno says:

    congrats bengals! u just gained the rights to draft a first rounder who wont report til u pay him 4X as much than he thinks hes worth.

     ——————

    Google “NFL Rookie Wage Scale”. Rookie salaries are now predetermined. Rookie holdouts are a thing of the past.

    Look into it.

  57. I seriously think Rosenthal has it out for the Raiders. He continues to post these ridiculous conclusions based on a series of speculative reports.

    Hue Jackson has tremendous respect for Al Davis and i believe that he is making these moves within Al’s vision.

    Aaron Curry- Speed linebacker, workout warrior, former 1st rounder.
    Carson Palmer – Tall, Huge Arm, former 1st rounder.

  58. I’m not a Raiders fan, never even close…. but you have to love what they’re doing in Oakland.

  59. Is this really a surprise? Al had a bunch of “yes men” working for him. With Al gone there is no one in the front office that knows what they are doing except Hue. And this trade probably calls his personel knowledge into question as well.

  60. vincentbojackson says: Oct 18, 2011 11:01 PM

    psdaleno says:

    congrats bengals! u just gained the rights to draft a first rounder who wont report til u pay him 4X as much than he thinks hes worth.

    ——————

    Google “NFL Rookie Wage Scale”. Rookie salaries are now predetermined. Rookie holdouts are a thing of the past.

    Look into it.
    ————————————
    Which is fine, but that doesn’t mean Mike Brown won’t try to low ball them. You can count on it.

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