Tom Brady outduels Tim Tebow as Patriots beat Broncos

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The team with the better quarterback won in Denver on Sunday.

After a week of hype the likes of which the NFL has rarely seen, Tim Tebow turned in a solid showing for the Broncos. But Tom Brady was the better quarterback on the field, and the Patriots won to clinch the AFC East.

Brady completed 23 of 34 passes for 320 yards, with two touchdowns and no interceptions, in a fantastic showing against a very good defense as the Patriots won 41-23. Brady also ran for a one-yard touchdown, and he was fantastic, all around.

Tebow was good too: He completed 11 of 22 passes for 194 yards, and he had another interception-free game. He also was outstanding running the ball, carrying 12 times for 93 yards and scoring two touchdowns. He did have a costly lost fumble, though, and as the game went on the Patriots’ defense seemed to be getting a read on how to shut Tebow down.

The Broncos also got 70 rushing yards from Willis McGahee, 64 from Lance Ball and 25 from Jeremiah Johnson. The Patriots’ run defense clearly has some deficiencies.

But as long as the Patriots have Brady, they’re going to be a tough team to beat in big games down the stretch. Brady led the way in a big win today.

153 responses to “Tom Brady outduels Tim Tebow as Patriots beat Broncos

  1. Tebow got exposed for the backup he is…
    -throws under pressure were wayyyy off
    -despite a miserable Pats secondary, he couldn’t put up yards
    -it was a typical game for him with less than 200 yards and no passing TDs
    -the game was much ore lopsided than the score suggests

    he is not an NFL QB…. Elway said it earlier, and Denver will be looking for a franchise QB this off season… 80% chance Tebow will be clipboarding it next year.

    these days no team can go into the playoffs without the ability to put up 300 yards and 3 plus TDs in the air, and Tebow can’t do that.

  2. Did anyone expect anything different? and I’m sorry if Joe Flacco threw 11 for 22 for 194 yards we would be reading about how terrible Joe Flacco is and how it’s evidence he’s not elite. Stop hyping Tebow up. He’s not good.

  3. Did anyone really think the Broncos were going to win this game? Great running game but no way they are going to put up 30+ points. Tebow wasn’t bad – his running made up for the 4-5 times he missed wide open receivers. Not going to hang with the top 6 teams in the NFL though… maybe next year.

  4. Tom Brady is still the NFL’s best quarterback Rodgers is great and he’ll ascend to the throne soon but for now the best #12 is in New England.

  5. See what happens when you face a decent team Tebow?Broncos suck and so does the Pats defense

  6. The first two posters obviously didn’t watch the game and just came on to bash the Broncos. Between turnovers and McGahees injury, the Broncos just weren’t good enough today. Brady just picked Denver’s defense apart. Tebow was pretty solid, but you can’t have turnovers and dropped kicks against the Patriots. Can’t wait until next week when Denver plays Buffalo.

  7. Broncos defense had their worst game in awhile and there were too many turnovers and penalties. People will struggle to find a way to blame Tebow completely for the loss, but I just didn’t see it. I thought he had an okay game.

    The Broncos still hold the division lead…

  8. Give me a break “outduels”, Denver and your Glory Boy Tebow WHERE BLOWN OUT, there was no duel to it, they should give you a shot on SNL with your over Hyped RB Tebow, did you see the Jesus Skit?, it was Hilarious.

  9. Like anyone didn’t see that coming. Now whats the bigger news, Packers lost or Tebow lost…

  10. Hmmm…it sure seemed important for Brady to get a rushing touchdown today, especially since he hadn’t had one in 3 seasons. In fact, he really tried hard to get 2 rushing touchdowns today.

    Tom can’t be insecure or anything, can he? Naah.

  11. Tebow was good too: He completed 11 of 22 passes for 194 yards
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    When has this ever been considered a good day? Oh yeah, when Tebow plays…. Enough butt kissing, he lost and didn’t play well enough to win.

  12. Tim Tebow turned in a solid showing for the Broncos.

    He completed 11 of 22 passes for 194 yards
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    You’ve got a horrible definition of “solid showing”, when dude completes only half his passes.

  13. Tebow’s career stats:

    16 TDs, 5 INTs, ang 9 rushing TDs.

    But he can’t play QB in this league.

  14. Man there are some ignorant folks up in here. Mistakes lost this game for the Broncos (i.e. the 13 pts given to NE on turnovers deep in DEN’s territory). NE fans will act like they whooped ass, but intelligent folks will know the game was much more competitive than that. It’s cool. Another shot at NE wouldn’t bother me at all. Oh yeah, plus we are still in first place in the division.

  15. Broncos made a decent showing, just too many mistakes.

    I keep hearing how Josh Freeman is a future superstar and Tebow can’t play his position.

    I think they have it backwards.

  16. Might seem unorthodox given the Tebow factor but this game was classic football lesson: Lose turnover battle = Lose. Can’t stop opposing offense while losing said turnover battle = Lose more.

    The Broncos defense got exposed much as Tebow in this game. It was a mutual loss on both sides of the ball, and totally textbook on how to lose to boot.

  17. @richm2256,

    And you obviously didn’t watch the game. The last 5 incompletions were Tebow throwing the ball away due to solid coverage. Tebow actually looked good throwing today…including a bomb for a conversion on a 3rd and 18.

    So yes, 194 yards passing and 93 yards rushing is a solid game. Unfortunately, Denver had too many mistakes (Tebow included) and that kept the game from being competitive. No excuses Denver.

  18. Reality is: If the Broncos win, TEBOW IS A WINNER, if the Broncos lose, it’s not his fault…cue the haters. Sadly, this reminds me of the conundrum of religion…if a child dies, it’s god’s will…if something miraculous happens, it’s the intervention of god.

    Bottom line: Tebow is inconsistent and still make throws that make you wonder where he’s aiming the ball as well as his scrambling abilities. Running around in circles doesn’t always work in the NFL when you have sound defensive players. A sack of 29 yards is inexcusable despite loyalists saying it was 4th down. You still shouldn’t do it.

  19. Wow. These comments are hilarious. Here is the bottom line: Tom Brady carved up a great defense. And Tim Tebow (in his 12th career start) could not keep up. So here it is… Tim Tebow is not on Tom Brady’s level. Guess what? Neither is all but 2 or 3 QBs on the planet.

  20. So when the broncos lose its because of other reasons besides Tebow, defense, turnovers, etc; but when they win it’s because of , not defense, turnovers, etc?!

  21. Tebow didn’t play badly, but if people are going to give him credit for winning games 13-10 against injury depleted and/or poor teams, those same people have to place the full blame on Tebow when they lose.

  22. Brady wasn’t the better quarterback, he just had a better team and a better system working for him. But it seemed to me that Tebow looked like the better player out there. If I had to pick one of them for my team it would be Tebow, without hesitation.

  23. 7pints says:
    Dec 18, 2011 7:54 PM
    Man there are some ignorant folks up in here. Mistakes lost this game for the Broncos (i.e. the 13 pts given to NE on turnovers deep in DEN’s territory). NE fans will act like they whooped ass, but intelligent folks will know the game was much more competitive than that. It’s cool. Another shot at NE wouldn’t bother me at all. Oh yeah, plus we are still in first place in the division.

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    When you say “mistakes” I say good plays by the other team. When Ron Brace punched the ball out of your running back’s arm I am pretty certain he meant to do that. Also I believe Rob Ninkovich fully intended to sack Tebow for a 29 yd loss. If the Pats hadn’t invoked their version of the mercy rule the final score would have been 49-23. I think I speak for all of New England when I say we would look forward to seeing you in Foxboro next month.

  24. I think Brady is pretty much exactly 10 years older than Tebow, but he certainly didn’t look 10 years better. Or better at all, for that matter.

  25. 4 fumbles was insurmountable. Turnovers dictated the game. Broncos running game steamrolled weak Patriot D.

    But Brady was great. If the argument is that Brady is better than Tebow today, no one can dispute that. Belicheat still 41-57 without him.

  26. 7pints says:
    Dec 18, 2011 7:54 PM
    Man there are some ignorant folks up in here. Mistakes lost this game for the Broncos (i.e. the 13 pts given to NE on turnovers deep in DEN’s territory). NE fans will act like they whooped ass, but intelligent folks will know the game was much more competitive than that.
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    Intelligent folks know that the Broncos vaunted defense gave up 451 yards of offense and that Brady passed for 320 YDS, 2 TD and 0 turnovers in your stadium. That’s a lot of “mistakes” for that defense.

    The Donkey’s were competitive in the 1st Q, after that it was all downhill, in fact it wasn’t even a close game after that. Take off your Tebow goggles.

  27. The good news for Bronco fans is that they were finally able to see a real QB this season.

  28. Bottom line: Tebow is inconsistent and still make throws that make you wonder where he’s aiming the ball as well as his scrambling abilities. Running around in circles doesn’t always work in the NFL when you have sound defensive players. A sack of 29 yards is inexcusable despite loyalists saying it was 4th down. You still shouldn’t do it.

  29. Tebow could have won 50 in a row and then lost 1 and the haters would still say Tebow is a horrible quarterback.

    Tebow played a good game and I am proud of him. Not because he played a good game but because He is a true brother in Christ.

  30. Tebow was good too: He completed 11 of 22 passes for 194 yards
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    Well that sums it up. 50% is good when taking about this cat, but for every other QB that is horrible. That’s the problem. This guy has his own set of rules as to what is successful. It’s pretty funny actually.

  31. 7pints…that’s not a smart comment. The broncos came out strong (being at home helped) but could not finish (just like your boy Timmy). If the Pats play them after their bye week, I would welcome that…no chance of them betting the Pats. The game was competitive for 1 quarter…which is like most Broncos games except this one was in the 1st quarter…225 yard (that’s a rough number) in the 1st quarter, 150 (same thing, rough number) in the last 3 quarters….

    don’t let facts stand in the way of your argument…

  32. Lmao @ 7pints!!! Mistakes and luck are the only reason the broncos have won so many games any intelligent person would tell you that. You cant honestly call yourself smart and say tebow will have a great pro career. And oh yeah, 1 and done in the playoffs too rofl

  33. Yeah sorry Tebow, 7-2 just doesn’t cut it in this league. You should just give up like all these losers want you too.

  34. I don’t hate Tebow.

    I hate the attention that is getting lavished on him.

    He is about as good as David Garrard.

  35. Patriots looking good this season. Belicheck will reward them once again by letting them take the playoffs off.

  36. earthtopft – you thought Tebow was the better QB??? Wait wait, better than TB12? What are you smoking because I want some of that weird stuff…Brady was BY FAR the better QB and has been for a long time…go sniff some more glue you idiot…I think you were watching another game..like a national championship game that Tebow was in or something because you couldn’t have been watching the same game we were…

  37. “Yeah sorry Tebow, 7-2 just doesn’t cut it in this league. You should just give up like all these losers want you too.”

    Yeah, he won those games all by himself.

  38. Am I the only one here that saw shades of Steve Young ll tonight? Look how many years it took him to get it together and get on a good team. Bigger, stronger, faster. I would consider Tebow a keeper but what the hell do I know? This coming from a Raider fan that can’t stand the Bronco’s or Horse face.

  39. Tebow wasn’t the limiting factor in this game, it was #1) Denver’s poor safety play, and #2) the turnovers, although Denver’s secondary problems were the bigger issue. Dawkins was out, and despite investing four draft picks over the last three years, Denver has no good safety help – Chris Harris, Denver’s UDFA nickel back, played miles better than either Quinton Carter or Rahim Moore.

    As for Tebow, those who watched the game know it was a solid outing for him. Most of his incompletions were late in the game where they had desperate playcalling. He had a bad turnover but otherwise played well.

  40. Really really good to put it to Denver at home for the first time in forever.
    Even better to see what Philly did to NYJ.
    Sucks to be a NYer today, Giants puked all over themselves too.

  41. earthtopft…..without hesitation you would be the worst GM in history if you took that trade…..Tebow better than Brady!? R u a delusional Jesus freak or just stupid

  42. Win or lose, Tebow has the right attitude. You give it everything you’ve got. I don’t see him wasting time hating anybody either.

  43. mecheng04 says:
    Dec 18, 2011 8:05 PM
    @richm2256,

    And you obviously didn’t watch the game. The last 5 incompletions were Tebow throwing the ball away due to solid coverage. Tebow actually looked good throwing today…including a bomb for a conversion on a 3rd and 18.

    So yes, 194 yards passing and 93 yards rushing is a solid game. Unfortunately, Denver had too many mistakes (Tebow included) and that kept the game from being competitive. No excuses Denver.
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    I DID watch the game.

    When coveragre forces you throw a ball into the fourth row, it’s still not a completed pass.

    It IS an incompletion.

    An incompleted pass is an incompleted pass, genius.

    Dude is supposed to be a great runner; if he can’t find an open receiver, how ’bout he RUNS with it, instead of throwing it to the hot dog vendor?

    You’re right, that 3/18 WAS a good pass.

    Too bad he only threw 11 for the day.

    shotgungrampa says:
    Tebow played a good game and I am proud of him. Not because he played a good game but because He is a true brother in Christ.
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    He gets paid millions to win football games, not be a good Christian.

  44. earthtopft says:
    If I had to pick one of them for my team it would be Tebow, without hesitation.

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    Even though Brady dropped 41 on a decent Denver defense, while Tebow scored 23 on the worst defense in the league.

    Congratulations, you’ve just given PFT a new definition for “moron”.

  45. Patriot fans are hilarious. How about some perspective, for pete’s sake…. Tebow is essentially a rookie!

    Tebow is essentially a rookie! What rookie has ever had the scrutiny and expectations that he has had?

    In his first full season, he has so far accounted for 14 TD’s and 2 picks, with a 7-2 record….with 2 games to go!

    Brady, a future Hall of Famer had 18 TD’s and 12 picks in his first season as a starter.

    What about Tebows results are not respectable??????

  46. 1 loss to an elite level team should prove the Tim tebow is no good, some of you are real stupid. How many qbs in the league are going to match Tom Brady throw for throw. Tebow had a solid game and showed he can make throws. How is elway going to get a franchise guy next year. The broncos won’t be drafting high so is elway going to risk further damage by trading away more picks to move up. Then what if that qb sucks.

  47. All the “credit” should go to the Bronocos defense on this one. After all, to many people here it is theBroncos defense and not Tebow that deserves all the credit.

    Tebow has nothing to be ashamed of. He is 7-2 and developing as a QB. Brady is a Hall of Famer that simply did to the Broncos defense what he has done to many defenses over the years.

  48. Pats defense played very well….Broncos shot themselves in the foot after a good 1st quarter.

    How many times did Bray throw to wide open receivers, including the TEs (after watching the season so far, how do you leave those guys uncovered, Broncos D?)??? Granted, that is the sign of a great QB…finding the open receiver.

  49. If I’m a Broncos fan I can see reason for optimism against that Patriots defense. But to actually run your mouths when the other QB is Tom Brady…really?

    To all of Denver, this was sweet. Not because of Tebow, but because of that horse face Shannon Sharpe. Oh, and that playoff loss where Bailey picked Brady in the end zone.

    Sadly, this loss didn’t cost you and more than likely the Donkeys are getting into the post season party and probably hosting a game. Come to New England, you’ll love the skiing….

  50. @weneversaiddreamteam you get unnecessary tebow hate because of all the unnecessary tebow love. The crap is ridiculous. Normally a team like the Broncos would be the team everyone get behind, but ESPN and other have ruined that. It absolute BS that when I turn on ESPN I have to watch 2 straight hours of tebow coverage

  51. nationalmediacansuckit says:Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM

    Tebow was good too: He completed 11 of 22 passes for 194 yards
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    Well that sums it up. 50% is good when taking about this cat, but for every other QB that is horrible. That’s the problem. This guy has his own set of rules as to what is successful. It’s pretty funny actually.

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    I love how everyone conviently chooses to ignore that Tebow did run for almost 100 yards and 2 touchdowns. I’m sorry, but passing for 50% for almost 200 yards, AND adding 100 yards on the ground and 2 Touchdowns is a “good” game. Not great, but certainly “good”. That’s just stating the facts… not giving him his own set of rules.

  52. earthtopft says:
    Dec 18, 2011 8:12 PM

    Brady wasn’t the better quarterback, he just had a better team and a better system working for him. But it seemed to me that Tebow looked like the better player out there. If I had to pick one of them for my team it would be Tebow, without hesitation.
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    You putting together a rugby team?

  53. Your right, all you Tebow bigots and haters believe he should win every game for the next 10 years, go perfect in completion percentage, throw 4 tds and pass for 400 yards a game. Tell me something, a guy who has only started in 12 games should beat a guy who has been playing for 12 years, 3 super bowls, hall of famer and arguably one of the 4 greatest qbs of all time? I want what ever it is that your smoking. But hey, it’s clear that your hatred for Tebow is only a manifestation of your insecurities as men. I get it. So long gay boys! Sincerely, Mr. Chow.

  54. @nightwalker what Tom Brady did has nothing to do with Tebow. Last I checked Tebow doesn’t play defense. Fact is Tebow had a below average day against the 31st ranked defense. Just keeping it real

  55. earthtopft

    Brady wasn’t the better quarterback, he just had a better team and a better system working for him. But it seemed to me that Tebow looked like the better player out there. If I had to pick one of them for my team it would be Tebow, without hesitation.
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    Hands down, the funniest post I ever read on PFT.

    Sad part is that this guy is serious.

  56. justaintrightisit says:
    Dec 18, 2011 9:08 PM
    You can say what ever you want about Tebow, but you all have to admit he does energize that team and gets them going
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    If by “gets them going” you mean a 41-23 loss, then, yeah, he does.

  57. tinbender2000

    Am I the only one here that saw shades of Steve Young ll tonight?
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    Yes, you are. Stop it with this nonsense already.

  58. @richm2256,

    If you have no open receivers down field with the clock running down, you’re supposed to throw it away, genius.

    If you run, all you do is burn down the clock if you can’t get a first down, genius. Why on earth would you burn 40 seconds of clock on a run when you can throw 5-6 passes in the same amount of time??

    And, the kid that’s supposed to be a great runner ran for 93 yards and 2 td’s along with almost 200 yards passing. Given that 93 yards and 2 td’s alone is a good day for a running back, I’d say that’s pretty good for a QB as well.

    Again, Broncos lost and Tebow lost, fair and square. But acting like Tebow is garbage and doesn’t deserve to be on the field is simply disingenuous.

  59. You guys saying Tebow had a solid game are delusional…. none of his QB stats in this game are good by NFL standards,
    50%?
    80 rating?
    194 Yards?
    0 TD’s?

    and what’s more, if he wasn’t getting saved by the exceptional play around him (esp defense)… he would have been benched a while ago… enjoy the illusion while it lasts….

  60. As a Pats’ fan and knowing the history of their past games in Denver, I did not think they would pull this one out. Even after they had built up their lead after 3 qtrs, I was ready to watch that lead fade away in the 4th. The Pats’ 4th qtr drive for a TD that took over 4 minutes off the clock and answered the Broncos’ TD sealed it.

    I thought Tebow did ok – what other rookie QB could fill in for the Broncos and do as well? I like Phil Sims’ assessment of him; saying that having a full off season this year will give him more time to work on his passing skills. He’s a good runner, he’s big and can take hits. He doesn’t have to become an “elite” passer to be a winning QB

  61. “Brady wasn’t the better quarterback, he just had a better team and a better system working for him. But it seemed to me that Tebow looked like the better player out there. If I had to pick one of them for my team it would be Tebow, without hesitation.”

    This is a truly amazing piece of mental gymnastics.

    Without a “system”, Tebow would never have made it out of 3rd string.

  62. Completing 50% of passes is considered good and against one of the worst defenses in the league? Okayyyyyyy then.

  63. Yeah. All you Flacco supporters are right on, his defense didn’t show up tonight either and look how great he’s playing.

  64. @drewsylvania – the broncos were 1-4 before he became a starter. I guess he had nothing to do with going 7-2 after. Shut up hater.

  65. Fun game to watch!

    A lot of knee-jerking anti-tebow-ites out there that’s for sure.

    I don’t understand the reactions about Tebow, but that’s fine. He’s basically a rookie quarterback [no off-season] and playing up against a solid NE team. Sure, their defense sucks, but I think we can all agree that Belichick knows how to adjust defense. Their key? Make turnovers, and they executed. The Bronco D really had an uncharacteristically lousy day tackling also. I expect Denver to get back to taking care of the ball and hard hitting fundamentals while Tebow continues to improve his passing.

    Any fan shouldn’t expect a winning streak to go on indefinitely. This should serve the Broncos as a good reality sandwich to get better in the following weeks for the playoffs.

    And yes, I am looking forward to Tebow’s game. His passing is getting better with each game if you watch the plays.

  66. The Patriots were mistake free on offense, overmatching the Broncos defense, while committing no turnovers. The Broncos committed four turnovers, and Ayers “hands to the face” penalty was in reality a fifth turnover (The Pats would have been punting from their own end zone had Ayers not messed up). No team in the NFL wins a game when they lose the turnover battle by 5. That’s the football story of this game.
    All you haters need to get a life. Fortunately, there is one available to all of you, if you open your hearts and minds to see it. And by the way, it will last forever. Here’s a challenge – look at John 14:6 – then read Josh McDowell’s examination of the EVIDENCE called ‘More Than a Carpenter’ to find out if it might actually be true. That way you can make an informed decision on your own instead of spewing uninformed hate. Does your life depend on it? No, but your afterlife might, and eternity is an awful long time to pay for a correctable omission out of lack of knowledge. Remember this number- 10 the the 157th power.

  67. I know this isn’t really his position, but I don’t know why Elway doesn’t take the time to work with Tebow on his mechanics, or find somebody really good to do it for him. Just imagine what Tebow could do if he was even a halfway decent passser.

  68. I like Tebow personally. And I really don’t like the Pats. But thanks, Brady & co. This whole thing was getting to be too too much. It needed a strong dose of football reality.

  69. BTW … did anyone notice Moore’s hit on Gronkowski? No reason you should have. Gronkowski was running after a catch, Moore ducked his helmet and hit him smack in the facemask with the crown of his helmet. Nothing unusual about it. I’m sure there were two dozen similar hits throughout the league. But since Gronkowski is a full-size football player who didn’t fall over backward, and Moore isn’t named Harrison, no one noticed, and no one cared. Hypocrisy is alive and well in the NFL.

  70. Wow…. so now you have to go undefeated to be considered a “winner”? Man, I guess only the ’72 Dolphins are winners in the NFL, everybody else by that standard are losers.

  71. Listen up, dopes.

    Ten years ago today (more or less) Brady was making the 12th start of his career. Today, Tebow made the 12th start of his career. Tim was a couple weeks younger at the same point in their respective careers.

    Tebow – 8 wins 4 losses (incl today), 16 passing Td, 5 Int. Passer rating 85.4

    Brady – 9 wins 3 losses (on a Super Bowl team) 16 passing Td, 10 Int. Passer rating 85.8

    That doesn’t even address the fact that Tebow has about a thousand more rushing yards than Mr. Bunchden, so far, or the fact that he beats everyone on the field in wind sprints and bench reps, while Tom Tom looked like a dead plucked chicken that the dog brought home after they discarded it at the slaughterhouse as being too puny, when he was 24.

    No one with a brain, which of course excludes the majority posting here, would take Tebow over Brady.

  72. To all the Pats fans who commented on my original post … ignorance is bliss. Mistakes plains and simple was the difference. Or I guess it was some sort of extraordinary play from the Patsies that caused all the mistakes. Okay, yeah sure.

  73. Ooops…that should read, “no one with a brain would take Brady over Tebow”. I was overcome with righteous wrath.

  74. “To all the Pats fans who commented on my original post … ignorance is bliss. Mistakes plains and simple was the difference.”

    They gave up five touchdowns. That’s all “mistakes”, I’m sure.

  75. “bleed4philly says:
    Dec 18, 2011 10:46 PM
    @drewsylvania – the broncos were 1-4 before he became a starter. I guess he had nothing to do with going 7-2 after. Shut up hater.”

    Did I say he had nothing to do with it? I was responding to the insinuation that Tebow was everything to do with it.

    Stop serving this clown-shoes reading-comprehension-fail weaksauce beverage.

  76. Brady through his first 12 NFL starts (Dec. 16, 2001) had 400 more passing yards than Tebow. One more win, same number of touchdowns. Five more picks. But he had 800 less rushing yards, and 10 fewer rushing Tds.

  77. @mecheng04

    Typical moron. You’re down 41-23 and you’re worried about burning a few precious seconds …… like they’re really going to matter in your magnificent non-comeback.

    Playing the worst-ranked defense, and he’s throwing passes into the bleachers.

  78. @ randomguy. A 50% passer and a rating of 80 is about league average. And anyone who watched this game saw Denver’s d played as bad as it did in Minnesota. Turnovers killed the broncos. I like tebow but he not nearly as bad as some of you are trying to make him. Does he need to improve, yes and he is. But let’s not act like if he loses it’s because he’s terrible. Pats receivers were running free all day. C’mon man

  79. Everyone hating on tebow after he loses is no ones fault but broncos fans. When he wins you guys have a teboner the whole week, also you troll other teams games and say “he’s no tebow” about the losing qb…maybe if the hillbilly denver fans would remove themselves from tebows nipples for a minute, they’d understand why the hate is there.

  80. Tebow is nothing but a fad.. everyone was all hype and look what happens lol im not a fan of Brady but I have to put aside that and say the better qb won

  81. humptyfratz says:
    Dec 18, 2011 7:51 PM
    Hmmm…it sure seemed important for Brady to get a rushing touchdown today, especially since he hadn’t had one in 3 seasons. In fact, he really tried hard to get 2 rushing touchdowns today.

    Tom can’t be insecure or anything, can he? Naah.
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    Or maybe…just MAYBE he’s coachable and didn’t want to force a throw and end up with another horrible RZ int like he threw in Wash last Sunday that caused his OC to scream at him? Nahhhhh…has to be trollbait. 🙄

    earthtopft, if you are serious, seek counseling. I’m far from a Tebow hater. I like the kid and it’s obvious he’s worked on his game and has gotten better…but if Cris Carter read your rant he’d put you at #1 on “COME ON, MAN”.

  82. No, earthtopft, you got it right the first time. No one in their right mind would take Tebow over Brady.

    Let’s see where TFB dominates…

    Better, more accurate arm. Check
    Higher intellect. Check
    Phenomenal play in the most pressure packed scenarios. Check

    Look, TRT may end up a decent enough QB; but, like Coach Fox said, if they try TRT in another non gimmick system, he’d be “screwed.” The biggest play of the game yesterday was the TRT fumble. Given his limited ability in the passing game, that turnover proved to be the death knell for the Broncos.

  83. earthtopft says:
    Dec 19, 2011 12:00 AM

    Ooops…that should read, “no one with a brain would take Brady over Tebow”. I was overcome with righteous wrath.
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    You had it right the first time.

    First of all, you originally stated that Tebow was the better QB on the field yesterday, a statement so ludicrous that you didn’t even try to defend it and instead tried to change the argument to being a comparison between the first 12 games of each of their careers.

    But even then it’s hard to make a comparison. Brady was a 6th round pick, a guy that spent his college career as a backup. There were no expectations for him to do anything in the NFL, and even after those 12 games I doubt anyone outside of the New England area was convinced that he would have the type of career that he’s put together.

    On the other hand we have Tebow, whose college exploits are well documented, leading to a selection in the first round of the draft. You would think this would mean expectations are higher for him, yet completing half of his passes is somehow a good game. And we’re all supposed to accept without question that he’s going to be awesome.

  84. Every team that is up and coming has a ‘we’re here and we’re for real’ game when they beat an established team. The Pats have faced teams like that twice on the road this season – The 2nd game against the jets and yesterday’s game.

    Total score – 78-39, exactly 2-1.

    Belichik is at his most dangerous when he is forced to improvise and Brady is at his best when he is pissed and feels he has something to prove. That’s usually when he plays what I call his “I’m Tom Brady and you’re NOT!!! games.

    Yesterday was one of those games.

    Brady is still Brady

  85. “Balls of Zeus” Tim’s been beat today. Good role model, great person still needs to prove he is an NFL quarterback but I suspect the the Broncos coaching staff doesn’t worry about him getting a DUI after the post game celebration.

  86. Outduels?????

    Pu-lease!!!!

    Tom Brady showed Tim Tebow what a REAL QB does – HE wins the game.

    Tebow might be a great motivator, but if you can not throw the ball, and all you can do is scramble and hand the ball off, you are not winning the game.

    Tebow was the benificiary of the Broncos Defense finally jelling together under a new defensive coordinator and a screwed up off-seasaon schedule due to the lock out. They went from giving up an average of 28 points a game (pre-Tebow) to 19 points a game (Post-Tebow) ….. The Offense went from 21 point average (pre-Tebow) to 20.5 (Post-Tebow) ….

    Unless Tebow is out there playing Defense, he hasn’t done squat to help the team win.

  87. When Rodgers or Flacco lose to bad teams or have bad games, no one says they shouldn’t be in the NFL. Tebow lost to a VERY good Patriots team. Comparing Tebow to Brady is stupid. How many quarterbacks in the league are better than Brady? All these Boston fans would say no one, which makes their criticisms of Tebow all the more ignorant.

  88. God was in KC yesterday… Sorry Tim… Clearly you were on your own and I will say … you are a great talent and having a great rookie year… nice game. I hope JE give you a chance.

    Tom Brady is still the class of the AFC.

    Pats D … I will say this … Q1 … overmatched Q2… Not good but got two turnovers… Q3… better… Q4 … not so good. (Overall C-)

  89. august1969 says: Dec 18, 2011 7:47 PM

    ill take brady over jesus
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    And Jesus would take anyone over you.

  90. @azwildcats96

    Here we go … more denial to the fact that Tebow is a marginal NFL QB .. At best.

    Yes, Brady is a very good QB, but Tebow failed to light up the board against the WORST pass defense in the league.

    We can not expect Tebow to outdual or outperform or out-anything against Brady, but he can’t even throw for 200 yards against a defense that gives up an average of 296 passing yards a game??

    BTW, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco have proven themselves that they are NFL-Caliber QB’s with stats and long-term production. Tebow is a flash in the pan QB that is going to burn out because he has not proven he has the skill sets needed to put the game on his shoulders and carry that team to a win.

  91. So Flacco and Jermichael Finley both complained about the Tebow coverage earlier this week saying “look at us” and both of their teams lost this week. They both lost to AFC West teams too. Stay in your lane!

  92. And please… everyone stop saying it was Tebow’s fumble that lost them the game. Lance Ball’s fumble, and Quan Cosby’s botched punt return didn’t help either. Not to mention the lack of tackling on the defensive side. IT WASN’T ALL TEBOW’S FAULT!
    If you think Tebow fumbled that ball because he’s a bad QB then you are an idiot, most QB’s would have fumbled there.
    Give him some time and he will be one of the top QB’s out there. Mark my words.

  93. Everyone likes to get on Tebow now for losing the game. If you watched the game you would be able to see that it wasn’t him that lost the game. The Broncos have been playing good fundamental football the past 6 games, and yesterday they did not. You can’t turn the ball over and forget how to tackle against the Patriots, you’ll lose everytime.
    Everywhere seems to quickly forget that this is the same 1-4 Broncos team that Tebow has been winning with, they are still rebuilding. You can only make chicken salad out of chicken $&#% for so long.
    With that being said I’m very happy to be a Broncos fan, and I am excited for the future. Tim Tebow is going to be a special QB for years to come, just please stop the hate.

  94. How does this work in the realm of reality? Tebow gets ALL the credit when the Broncos win and none of the blame when they lose. Tebow fans you need understand something. If you don’t want your guy taking any heat for the losses then you can’t give him ALL the credit when he wins. And last I checked it wasn’t the defenses fault when Tebow ran 28 yrds in the opposite direction.

  95. Die Hard Broncos Fan here…My Hat is off to the Patriots. Great Game and game time adjustments by the Patriots. However, for Patriots fans that just BLAST Tebow…so they are classless and clueless. Tebow has only Played 12 Full NFL Games (not even a full season yet). Denver Last year was 4-12, 1-4 Before Tebow got into the game. This Team is really not very good and over-achievers. However, folks are complete idiots to deny that Tebow has not an impact on what should be at best a 6-10 team. All I am saying is put things into perspective and try to show some degree of football intelligence. I know it is hard for some of you, but we all know Brady is GREAT and has proven it, but by the same token we all know that Tebow is a rookie and is getting better. Maybe we should compare Tebow to a more reasonable litmus test as follows:
    Cam Newton
    TJ Yates
    Blaine Gabbert
    Andy Dalton
    Christian Ponder
    Josh Freeman
    Colt McCoy
    Curtis Painter

    Last Time I checked…none of these guys were in the same QB class as Tom Brady either. But please correct me if I am wrong here.

  96. @earthtopft …

    As I’ve said umpteen times, I like Tebow and think he’s a great football players–that doesn’t necessarily make him a great QB. You’re comparing him favorably to Tom Brady at this stage in their careers and giving him an edge because of his rushing yards?? Son, as I said when Tebow broke one of Herschell Walker’s college records … I don’t want my QB breaking rushing records. I want my QB standing in the pocket, throwing passes. If he needs to run occassionally, fine. He shouldn’t be making a habit of it. That’s not his job.

  97. Tim Tebow is not a rookie. He’s a 2nd year player, just like that other guy that just wins – John Skelton. Now there’s a guy I’d take on my team over Tom Brady.

    /sarcasm

  98. …so if this imaginary friend in the sky gets all the praise & glory when he wins & plays well, why is the imaginary friend in the sky exempt from any criticism when he loses & plays poorly?

  99. I’d like to thank my lord and Saviour for putting that circus to bed, if only for a few days.

  100. It cracks me up how all these Pats fans try to make up excuses as to why their team ISN’T good. “We have the worst defense in the NFL.” You won, Brady is still arguably the best QB and your team is GOOD. Stop trying to downplay how good you are just to make Tebow look worse. If you watched the game then you saw him throw the ball away due to coverage A LOT and your pass rush was WAY better than our pass blocking. It’s a team game. True Broncos fans don’t give all the credit to Tebow for wins or blame him for loses. We support the TEAM. I personally would have rather seen Andrew Luck next year and a lot of REAL BRONCOS fans feel the same way. But it is what it is so we support Tebow as long as he is the QB.

  101. azwildcats96 says:
    It cracks me up how all these Pats fans try to make up excuses as to why their team ISN’T good. “We have the worst defense in the NFL.” You won, Brady is still arguably the best QB and your team is GOOD. Stop trying to downplay how good you are just to make Tebow look worse. If you watched the game then you saw him throw the ball away due to coverage A LOT and your pass rush was WAY better than our pass blocking. It’s a team game. True Broncos fans don’t give all the credit to Tebow for wins or blame him for loses. We support the TEAM. I personally would have rather seen Andrew Luck next year and a lot of REAL BRONCOS fans feel the same way. But it is what it is so we support Tebow as long as he is the QB.
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    You just made the perfect case of why Tebow isn’t a good NFL quarterback.

    It TOTALLY matters that against the last-ranked defense in the leagur, this guy comes up with 23 lousy points. Those are the “salad” games for a quarterback where you stack up incredible stats!

    You Donk fans keep defending his throw-away passes, but don’t realize that if you can’t go through your progressions and find an open man against THIS pathetic secondary (and this is a Pat’s fan saying that!), then you are one sorry a$$ excuse for a passer.

    And you want to hang THAT on a ferocious pass rush from the last-ranked defense – who just lost their best pass rusher???

    Tebow runs, he can barely throw; and in the NFL, quarterbacks who run instead of passing don’t win Super Bowls …….. no matter HOW connected they are with God.

    Even HE prefers passers.

  102. jaypace says:
    Dec 19, 2011 1:48 AM
    @ randomguy. A 50% passer and a rating of 80 is about league average.

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    Jaypace,

    EXACTLY… it’s average (at best)…. and Tebow is average at best… and the average QB’s become backups every off season when management brings in real prospects…

  103. cowboysblowgoats says:
    Dec 19, 2011 10:31 AM
    Jesus is a Pats fan.

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    With only three titles in 50+ years, I highly doubt that. HE appears to be more of a Cowboys/Niners/Steelers/Packers fan, given the greater amount of titles over the lives of their franchises.

  104. All the commentors who think broncos ought to pklay tebow as a WR or running back- yes because tebow just a big disappointment as a QB- shame on urban myers for making tebow look like a champion QB.

  105. All the commentors who think broncos ought to play tebow as a WR or running back- yes because tebow just a big disappointment as a QB- shame on urban myers for making tebow look like a champion QB.

  106. With only three titles in 50+ years, I highly doubt that. HE appears to be more of a Cowboys/Niners/Steelers/Packers fan, given the greater amount of titles over the lives of their franchises.

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    Terrific.
    Apparently HE has his own Ari Fleisher to explain things to the unwashed masses.
    Lucky us.

  107. I’d like to thank his lord and savior jesus christ for the beating Brady put on the donkeys. All the glory goes to god for Tebow 4th quarter melt down. Praise be to jesus for all of Tebow’s wild and inaccurate passes when his team needed him most. And thank you lord for Tebow forgetting which way to run and losing 29 yards to seal his team’s doom.

  108. Cam Newton
    TJ Yates
    Blaine Gabbert
    Andy Dalton
    Christian Ponder
    Josh Freeman
    Colt McCoy
    Curtis Painter

    Last Time I checked…none of these guys were in the same QB class as Tom Brady either. But please correct me if I am wrong here.
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    uh Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning’s rookie passing record. Dalton won more games than Manning in his first season.

    and Buffalo EXPOSED Tim Tebow last Sunday. Get a lead on him, force him to pass from the pocket. voila!

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