On Moss, Cris Carter says teams should worry about “that thing called quit”

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On Monday, former Randy Moss teammate and mentor Cris Carter said that Moss can still run the 40-yard dash in 4.3 seconds.

On Tuesday, Carter applied a caveat to that assessment.

“The one thing you have to address with Randy Moss is not a conditioning thing,” Carter told ESPN Radio’s Mike & Mike in the Morning, via ESPN.com.  “It’s not an age thing.  It needs to be addressed.  I believe it’s the elephant in the room.  It’s that thing called quit.

“And Randy, not like any other superstar I’ve met, he has more quit in him than any of those other players.  So I need to address that.  That’s what [Bill] Belichick did when he brought him over from Oakland.  He told him he wasn’t going to have it.

“But Randy, when things don’t go well, like no other player I’ve ever been around or associated with, he has a quit mechanism in him that’s huge.  That needs to be addressed before he signs with any team.”

It’s one thing for an analyst or observer of the game to make that claim.  It’s quite another for Carter to say it.

And Carter is right.  Moss, unlike any other star athlete, relies on external motivation and stimulation.  If he has a chip on his shoulder, he performs better.  If his team struggles, he sulks and eventually disconnects.

During his final year in New England, for example, Moss was so concerned about not getting a new contract after the season ended that the Pats finally decided to ship him out of town.

The good news for the team that gets Moss is that, for now, he’s focused and committed and driven.  If he ends up with a bad team or if he doesn’t play well or if he encounters any type of adversity that he can’t quickly overcome, he’ll behave like he did from time to time with the Vikings, in 2006 with the Raiders, and in 2010 with the Patriots and then the Vikings and then the Titans, where he was reduced to a non-factor.

Carter’s criticism struck a nerve with Moss, who took to Twitter to say to Carter “its sad how u stroked ur own ego when u were suppose to b my mentor!  then u wonder why karma bites u in the ass!  #goodlukwithhof”

Thus, Moss will be even more driven, to prove Carter wrong.  And that will benefit Randy’s next team.

Until “that thing called quit” rears its ugly head.  Again.

85 responses to “On Moss, Cris Carter says teams should worry about “that thing called quit”

  1. Moss just wants a ring, like most other NFL players.

    The teams that are interested would be wise to only offer 1-year deals.

  2. If Randy Moss starts 16 games he racks up over 1k yards and leaves T.O crying in his dust on the list of all time touchdown receptions.

    You heard it here first!

  3. Randy is going to quit if things do not go his way, deal with it or don’t sign him. You can’t teach an old dawg new tricks.

    Best of luck to whoever signs him.

  4. Maybe Cris is right, but his perspective is pretty outdated. He hasn’t been teammates with Randy since the 2001 season when Moss was 24.

    And everything Moss retorted in that tweet about Carter is spot-on.

    Wait, am I defending Randy Moss? The hell is going on?

  5. what is he talking about????? Randy Moss is the greatest receiver in the history of the NFL*

    of course that * is defined as

    *= as long as his team is winning, he is being paid more then he believes he is worth, he has had more touches then he believes he should have had thus far in the season as well as in the game. also he can not be getting hit or covered too well by any pesky DB’s. also his defense has to be playing well enough that he doesn’t always have to make plays and his running game should be good enough to draw 8 men into the box now and again. also the opposing team should not boo him too much as it may hurt his feelings and the home team must worship him. also it was said earlier, but I can not stress it enough that the Randy Ratio must be met.

    oh and one last thing….he doesn’t need to block on runs or for other receivers and he does not need to give any effort if he is not the primary receiver on the route. again the last one is a little bit of a trick because we all know that Randy should always be the primary receiver on every route.

    Given all of that he is the greatest receiver in the game…………actually on second thought I’d still take Jerry Rice, Lynn Swan, TO (if he could actually catch) or a team guy like Troy Brown.

  6. look, I’m not doubting his talent or speed, everyone wrote him off when he was in Oakland and said he was done, then he went to New England and everyone was all over how great he was! he has always taken care of his body and worked out, he’s always an in shape guy, even when not playing football. and when people wanna doubt that at 35 he can run a 4.3, think about Darrell Green for a minute, he ran a 4.5 40 yard dash on his 50th birthday!!! that’s insane!! some people are naturally speed demons!!! I played high school football in the same city as Michael Bennett who went to the Badgers and was drafted in the 1st rd by the Vikings, he never weight lifted in high school, he just did his track workout, and he was the fastest prep in the country and barely missed breaking Hershal Walker’s prep track record for the 40 yard dash!

    all I’m saying is wait til you see him before you write him off, or you’ll end up eating crow like when he went to new England from Oakland.

    IMAGINE HIM OPPOSITE CALVIN JOHNSON, ANDRE JOHNSON OR LARRY FITZGERALD!!

  7. Except Moss should have been plenty motivated on the Titans and he was a bum.

    Washed up has-been.

  8. Cris is 100% right with that statement, but it shows what kind of person he is and why maybe personal bias has kept him out the HOF so far. Their is a brotherhood in the NFL Especially if you played on the same team as a guy.You never never see Sapp, throwing say Ronde Barber all the way under the bus. Strahan throwing the tip toe burgular Brandon Jacobs all the way under the bus. Bruschi or Rodney with their former teammates. Randy expects to be critized but not by his former mentor and teammate. Ask Tiki how that works Cris…….

  9. Then he best not go to the Jets. No SB heading there in a hurry!

    The one year deal thing makes perfect sense. Baltimore would make some sense. They’re so close to the precious.

  10. If he can still run a 4.3 that is impressive but can he do it when he’s in week 7 or 8? Being 35 years old I doubt that he will be able to.

  11. Then he best not go to the Jets. No SB heading there in a hurry!

    The one and done deal thing makes perfect sense. Baltimore would be a good fit. They’re so close to The Precious and Moss may be what they need to get them over the hump.

  12. I’d love to see some team push in all of their chips and sign Moss, T.O., Plaxico, and DeSean and then sign on for Hard Knocks. That’d make for one hell of a show!

  13. Moss is right, Carter is sour about not getting into the HOF. Carter is more likely to get into the Hall of Very Good…you know Mike, the one you vote for.

    Everyone tries to poke holes in Moss by saying he quits but the fact remains that his skills far out weigh any downside that he may bring.

  14. Should Chris Carter really be criticizing other players when he is outside looking in for the HOF? His pie hole might be what offends some of the 44 voters. His standards are obviously warped when he claimed that Megatron isn’t one of the top 5 WR in the game today.

  15. Everybody here is right about Moss, though I will say one thing – he can’t be any worse than Albert Haynesworth!

  16. Cris Carter is now a broadcast journalist. Whether you like him or hate him in that role, he’s paid to give the fans an unfiltered view of what he sees and knows based on first-hand experience. He called it like he saw it. I see nothing wrong with this.

  17. People can say whatever the want. The bottom line is this. T.O. is hands down the best free agent WR out there to give your team a chance to win on Sunday.

  18. There are other/younger/”safer” WR’s that can run fast in a straight line. Can he run the pattern you want him to, when you want him to? Is he out of money or does he want to do well/return down in his gut?

  19. Gotta admit, I chuckled at #goodlukwithhof.

    Moss shoulda just kept quiet and PLAYED in New England. Complaining about not having an extension in place after Week 1 of the final season of his 3-year deal?
    Ridiculous.
    That was an ideal situation for him. He hasn’t seen a better one since and almost certainly won’t find a better one now.

  20. duanethomas says:
    Feb 14, 2012 2:15 PM
    Cris is 100% right with that statement, but it shows what kind of person he is and why maybe personal bias has kept him out the HOF so far. Their is a brotherhood in the NFL Especially if you played on the same team as a guy.You never never see Sapp, throwing say Ronde Barber all the way under the bus. Strahan throwing the tip toe burgular Brandon Jacobs all the way under the bus. Bruschi or Rodney with their former teammates. Randy expects to be critized but not by his former mentor and teammate. Ask Tiki how that works Cris…….
    ___________________________________
    I’m not a Carter fan or anything but Sapp HAS thrown former teammates under the bus . See Rice, Simeon. Granted not as harsh as this, but he has. Once a guy is a member of the media he has to be able to speak his mind that way. I’m not a huge fan of namecalling and mocking of any player by the media unless they’ve done something horrible. But just their play? No.

    Moss was in the perfect situation in NE with a great HC and great QB who respected him and a team that wins a lot and he STILL couldn’t resist messing it up. Don’t think he’s worth another shot since he’s on what, chance 5 to get it right?

  21. The last wide receiver Carter publicly criticized blew up this season, catching 9 TDs in the first five weeks…

    I hope The Vikings take a chance on Randy (again) we could really use that kind of production.

  22. meatsweat says:
    Feb 14, 2012 2:27 PM
    Moss is right, Carter is sour about not getting into the HOF. Carter is more likely to get into the Hall of Very Good…you know Mike, the one you vote for.

    Everyone tries to poke holes in Moss by saying he quits but the fact remains that his skills far out weigh any downside that he may bring.

    ===================================
    Goobs,

    Jake Moss’s skills look they were eroding pretty quickly two years ago. Plus he is 35, not 29 when he first went to the Patriots. The chance’s of Jake’s skills coming back is not very high.

    I certainly wouldn’t want Jake Moss on my team. He wants a contender, he wants to be the primary receiver, he is a cancer in the locker room. My way to defend Jake would be to double team him, deny him the ball. Won’t be long before Jake turns on his teammates and quit his route. Result: interception.

    Even though I am the president (and founder) of the TO haters fanclub, at least I can give TO credit for being a hard worker and not being a quitter.

    Good for Cris Carter for being right for once on Jake.

  23. Cris Carter is a blowhard and salty that Randy Moss did way more in his career with way less effort. Sour grapes.

  24. If the Lions pick him up they have a shot at the SB. The Bears won’t be interested with Tice as HC, and obviously not the Vikes. Pack doesn’t need him.

  25. If Carter makes it into the hall, it should be a requirment that he does his signature move one last time.

    The Crappie Flop Temper Tantrum we all know and love. Usually reserved for his quarterback when he doesn’t get the ball thrown his way, or to the refs on every single incompletion in his career.

  26. At least you never had to worry about any “quit” in T.O, that guy was and still is a beast

  27. Let’s hear it for Peyton Manning and Randy Moss playing together next season in…..in….uhh…..errr……

  28. Truth hurts don’t it Randy? Moss is as good as he wants to be but he also has the ability to act like a 8 year old that didn’t get what he wanted for Christmas. Carter probably just cemented another big year for Randy because now he has something to play for. In a way he is still driving Moss as a mentor.

    My prediction: He follows Peyton and blows up. If he doesn’t have a stud QB he will be another pile of moss sitting on the bench all by himself pouting like kid.

  29. Another article and again another C. C. comment. This time C.C. must of heard Moss is going into the HOF before he does, so hey lets dump on Moss.

  30. FOXBOROUGH, MA—After posting his most productive receiving performance in eight years during his Patriots debut, Randy Moss told reporters that he was frustrated with the amount of catches he was being forced to make. “I’m already tired of doing all the damn work around here,” said Moss, who caught nine passes for 183 yards and a touchdown in what he called a “grueling” afternoon. “Would it kill Tom Brady to maybe look for Donté [Stallworth] once in a while? Or maybe even try and hand it off? No, it’s ‘Throw it to Randy! Throw it to Randy!’ all day long out there. It’s like suddenly I’m the best receiver in the world as far as they’re concerned.” Moss also commented that the team had asked him to sprint “way too hard” during running plays.

  31. “I believe it’s the elephant in the room. It’s that thing called quit.”

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Is it really an “elephant” in the room, when everyone already knows and has talked about it since he shot his way outta NE??
    Maybe its a pig or an ocelot?

  32. Too much of an investment for a 5% chance he is really good, 15% chance he is decent, and 80% chance he ruins the team. I used to be a randy fan but its not worth it anymore. If the Eagles didnt even want him for the Dream Team last year then you know he’s done.

  33. randy moss plays when he wants to play plain and simple i dont like cris carter but atleast he aint afriad to critisize someone like all these other lame ass so called analysts good for him

  34. There’s Randy, coming back from retirement, picking his nose on “Moss T.V.”. Telling the world he will use that as his medium of expression and communication. BIG RED FLAG. There’s Randy, sticking the knife in Carter about the H.O.F. Carter only said what everybody knows. Moss has ability, but WILL FOLD if those around him aren’t performing to his standards. He has showed more commotion in the locker room than leadership. What an attitude from a supposed adult. Saw it firsthand when he was in Oakland, so now I would spit on his shoes.

  35. Does anyone else think that Moss realized that his current numbers might not make him a lock for the HOF?

    Moss made more than enough money and quit on too many teams for me to think that he’s coming back for a paycheck or a ring.

  36. There are plenty of other former players now in the broadcast studios, yet none of them are as nasty or critical of current players and coaches as Cris Carter. I don’t buy the, “well, he’s paid to speak his mind” excuse. There are ways to talk about players without throwing them under the bus.

    Moss’ response of #goodlukwithhof was perfect.

  37. Randy Moss was an idiot in high school, he was an idiot in college and he was an idiot in the NFL. If he comes back he will be an idiot. No…really….I googled it.

  38. The only reason why I take Cris Carter’s comments with a grain of salt is because Cris Carter hates every WR who is not named Cris Carter.

  39. Moss is a cry baby who believes he is entitled to whatever he wants. He isnt a role model type, that is certain. Carter is right on with his evaluation of Randy. Randy quits on routs. Randy quits on his team mates. Randy quits on his team. I’m not just saying that either. I think Randy is/was a great football player. One of the best to ever play the position he played. He could have, and should have been better. He had what it to0ok to be mentioned with the very best ever. He blew that all by himself. I recall a few years ago. Brett Favre wanted the Packers to trade Aaron Rodgers for Moss. Packers said no. Imagine what the Packers would look like today if Favre had his way.

  40. “The good news for the team that gets Moss is that, for now, he’s focused and committed and driven.”
    _____________________

    No doubt he’s focused, committed and driven to get a contract, but beyond that nobody can tell for sure. The last image we have of him is burning through three teams in a single season without even trying at two of the stops. He claimed he was done for good then…now he claims he’s motivated to play. Why should we believe him now?

  41. You must consider the source here. Yes, Randy has shown his ability to quit, but, Cris Carter has shown his ability to be jealous of every other player who catches a pass in the NFL.

  42. Cris Carter is a perennial crybaby and whiner, you can tell that his mentoring rubbed off on Moss in the wrong ways.

    The way I see it there are only 4 teams Moss should bother with:

    -Detroit
    -New Orleans
    -Atlanta
    -Green Bay

    If any of those teams don’t want you, it’s not worth returning Randy (my favorite player of all time).

  43. He’s right. Case in point the NFC Championship vs the NYG that the Vikings lost 41-0. When the score was quickly 21-0 Culpepper led the Vikings on 2 quick drives & had Randy Moss in the end zone & hit him right in the hands, twice & Moss dropped both & didn’t seem to care or try. Same thing against the Falcons 2 yrs b4 in the NFC Championship. Moss dropped a certain TD in the end zone & dropped a pass up the sidelines that would have won the game. Also in 04 the year the Vikings started 6-0 & missed the playoffs Moss had a td pass against the Bears taken right out of his hands that would have clinched making the playoffs. Moss didn’t even try for it. His prowress of catching anything near him was more myth that actual.

  44. Did somebody tell Randy he’s two TD’s behind T.O. on the all time list? My guess, if he does come back, you won’t get much more then those two TD’s out of him then he shuts it down.

  45. With Carter’s comments about Randy’s penchant “to quit” like nobody else with that kind of talent, sounds like the buyer beware needs to apply when dealing with Moss. He plays when he wants to play and quits like a dog when he feels like it. sounds like he is a bit of a bi-polar personality when it comes to playing and does not have any concept of TEAM in his mind or vocabulary. TOXIC is more appropriate.

  46. IF any team does decide to give Moss a go, Chris Cater just did that team a huge service. Moss is pissed by this and will now be playing to prove Carter wrong. Randy, you may be pissed at Carter… but he just did you a favor because now you’ll want to actually play up to your abilities and you may just do well given some determination and effort just to prove him wrong. You two can kiss and make up latter.

  47. Randy had 3 TDs in three starts with the Pats in 2010. Most WRs would let you spend the night with their wife for that kind of “quit”.

  48. 153 TD’s speaks for itself. CC has been jealous of Moss since ’98. All of his past teammates have all loved him, so a cancer or a TO he’s not. It’s incredible all the hate he gets everywhere. He’ll have over 1k and 10 TD’s this yr.

  49. Randy, like the rest of us, has his faults, but when the guy is on his game, there’s not a better receiver in the league.

    I’d like to see him sign with wherever Peyton Manning ends up. Peyton, Moss, and Wayne in Seattle sounds good to me. Or Peyton and Moss join Larry in AZ.

    Maybe then we can have someone that’s played with Tom and Peyton decide who is better for a change instead of Colts and Patriots fans fawning over “their” guy and arguing ALL THE TIME.

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