Saints, Gleason expected Sean Pamphilon to keep recordings private

AP

In the hours since documentary filmmaker Sean Pamphilon released audio of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams urging his players to injure players on the 49ers, one question has been asked over and over: What on earth was Williams thinking making those statements while a documentary filmmaker was recording it?

The answer is that Williams was thinking Pamphilon was with the Saints to make a private recording for former Saint Steve Gleason and his family. The men in the Saints’ locker room had no idea Pamphilon was ever going to make what he saw and heard public.

A source told PFT’s Mike Florio that Gleason, who has been diagnosed with ALS, had joined up with Pamphilon to make private recordings that could some day be given to Gleason’s son, so that he could get to know his dad after he was no longer alive. Gleason plans to issue a statement saying that Pamphilon was not authorized to publicize what he recorded.

Pamphilon was invited to San Francisco because Gleason was there to visit a doctor in the Bay Area, and when Gleason was included in Saints meetings before the game against the 49ers, Pamphilon was allowed in as well. But the Saints believed — wrongly, it would turn out — that Pamphilon was going to share what he recorded only with the Gleason family, not with the general public.

Saints safety Malcolm Jenkins went on Twitter to bash Pamphilon for making the recording public.

“Sean pamphilon is a coward and should be ashamed for taking advantage of Steve Gleason! How much did u get paid for that audio?” Jenkins wrote.

Williams expected what he said to remain within the confines of the team’s defensive meeting room. He was wrong, and he may pay for it by never being allowed to coach in the NFL again.

147 responses to “Saints, Gleason expected Sean Pamphilon to keep recordings private

  1. I know we were doing something we weren’t supposed to, but now that someone ELSE is doing something they weren’t supposed to, I’m really mad!!!

  2. Yo, Malcolm, he wasn’t aware that he was going to be taping you getting paid to twist Farve’s injured ankle.

    It would have been irresponisible not to release it at this point.

  3. You let a documentarian in your locker room, and you don’t expect him to report what goes on? The arrogance and stupidity of the Saints oraganization is beyond the pale.

    Morons.

  4. OK – how soon is too soon to start saying “Bountygate overload”???

    I get it – guys like to try to injure other guys. It’s been going on a long time. The first “Bountygate” investigation was when Teddy Roosevelt demanded a ban on gang tackling from the “Big Three” schools (Harvard, Yale and Princeton) in 1906 to cut down on the deaths and brutality.

    Godell needs to either get serious, and investigate all 32 teams for encouraging and demanding needless injuries, or get the hell off the front page of my sports section. Based on his background, I assume that he’ll choose the latter course of action, and implement a great big “evidence burning party” very soon.

  5. Yeah…that’s right Jenkins…Pamphilon is the coward here. He basically risked a job, in order to bring a crime to light. Stay classy Taints.

  6. It sucks that Steve Gleason had to get dragged into this. Certainly not his fault.

    Doesn’t make what Williams said any less damning though.

  7. And Pampamlon will never be allowed anywhere near an NFL team again, good work, hope you got PAID. It may be your last, not to mention your reputation in the sports community.

  8. If this bothered Pamphilon so much why did he wait so long to put his recordings out there? Now you just leave me wondering about your timing.

  9. NFL teams can fix that…no more media with camera’s or recording devices allowed in the locker room.

    BTW, let’s not point the finger at Pamphilon for the release of this audio at this particular moment, when Goodell is just about to hear appeals…

    …that move has Goodell’s finger prints all over it. Goodell is attempting to play to the public for the harsh punishment he about to hand out…CYA.

  10. Coward? It takes guts to release the audio. But it should not have been done because it was meant to be private. (P.S. know a word before you use it.)

  11. More oversight by the idiots in this organization who thought they could walk on water and avoid getting caught. What a joke. The NFL gave you ample opportunity to quit the program and have it swept under the rug, but you had to continue to be brash about it. Whether he should have kept the audio secret is their problem not mine, but I’m glad it came out today. No mercy for them. Show them as much mercy as Williams showed opposing offensive players. Never mind beating them with scheme, get their ACLs.

    At least someone down their has a conscious, albeit after the fact.

    I love that the audio was for the 9er game though and that the 9ers won. The 9ers were the physical team, the better team, the well coached team.

  12. That’s why teams should boycott any video and audio. No more NFL films no more documentary film makers. With Goodell and the league now apparently the enemy of the teams the only sanctuary teams have left is their locker rooms, class rooms, work out rooms and practice fields.

  13. The Saints are just like their city. Violent beyond belief and Classless. To have a program in place to hurt fellow players. Goodell didn’t come down hard enough. Benson should not hire Parcellls he should clean house. Do what Katrina tried, a purge of all the dirt out that toiletbowl. Greg Williams should be banned for life.

  14. Sorry Saints…you might find the “I only did those rotten things because I thought nobody would tell on me!” defense to be pretty ineffective. Like I’ve said before, still trying to pin blame on others, as though the real culprit is Pamphillon for revealing the bounty system…NOT Williams for running it in the first place.

    This guy didn’t take advantage of anybody, he set out to make a documentary. Williams was just so brazen he didn’t care that it was on film, and not having a conscience himself, it didn’t occur to him that someone else would have one and do the right thing.

  15. “Sean pamphilon is a coward and should be ashamed for taking advantage of Steve Gleason! How much did u get paid for that audio?” Jenkins wrote.

    =========================

    But it’s not cowardly for you coach to tell you to go after guys knees and head. Also to tell you deliberately go for the head of a player with a concussion history……Right…..

  16. This is exactly what I was thinking when this audio was released. I’m sure there’s gonna b a lawsuit since common sense would allow that the saints had to have had this guy sign confidentiality agreements. And secondly, I’ve never been in any type of nfl meeting, especially a pre-game postseason one, but I’m sure there has been worse said before by a coach trying to hype his players. And lastly, the saints defense hasn’t exactly taken the league by storm the last few years anyways. Sure their offense is spectacular, but there are many teams w tougher d than in no. Wonder what their meetings sound like.

  17. anybody who records a CRIME is no longer legally or morally bound by an agreement to keep such a recording private……

    the Saints and Williams showed and are continuing to show their arrogance that as long as it doesn’t become public knowledge… it’s OK to break the rules and the law….

  18. Of course it’s being glossed over by the ‘apologists’ that had there not been any ‘shady’ things going on in the Taints locker room this wouldn’t be a big issue.

  19. If you can’t say anything to a group that can’t be repeated to a larger group, don’t say it in the first place. Pretty easy rule to live by.

  20. Again, all teams do something similar.

    Pamphilon should be ashamed of himself.

    Goodell has become way too much of a dictator.

    Romanowski was the best football player ever.

    Sean Payton should not be suspended if Belicheat wasn’t suspended.

    Goodell is ruining the game. defensive players can not breathe on QB’s, they need to make a reservation to touch a WR, and they need prior permission to make a tackle

    I’m so glad MY team is perfect and not in trouble

  21. Gleason has ALS because of his reckless play style on special teams and countless vicious hits to the head. He will never really get to know his son because of this crippling disease and now he’s angry that Gregg Williams is being exposed for encouraging other players to inflict the same kind of violence that will cut Gleason’s life short.

    ‘Kill the head, the body will die.’ Steve Gleason is living proof.

  22. Between Gregg Williams and Rex Ryan, I sense another Dumb and Dumber remake coming.

  23. I am tired of this everyone does or is doing it, BS, Officer “Why were you drinking and driving?” “Because everyone else does it or is doing it” OK son with that reasoning go on your way. Give me a break people.

  24. @furedmccombs says: Apr 5, 2012 12:20 PM

    Yeah…that’s right Jenkins…Pamphilon is the coward here. He basically risked a job, in order to bring a crime to light. Stay classy Taints.
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    Crime?

  25. Every body knows what assume tells us = when you assume you make an A$$ out of U & ME.
    So if they thought it to be private – that still doesn’t make it OK or right, It’s still wrong to do it idiot.

    They did it for so long it got to be routine, they got so open with it they lost sight of the wrong doing of how they were operating. Punishment due is punishment served. . . . can also be stated as; “Stupid is as Stupid does.”

    OK Saints lets get through this and get our chit together – we will live through this and do battle on the field to go for #2 SB.

  26. This just goes to show the punishment fits the crime. Everyone knew what was going on, and this was done up until the end of last year.

    I bet someone in the media found out that the NFL heard these tapes, and they paid to have them released. Simple as that.

  27. The only person I feel sorry for in any of this is Steve Gleason, who simply wanted to give his unborn son some small insight into his life in his final months on earth.

    Now he’s going to have his name drug up in all this crap and no doubt there will be plenty of lowlife dirtbags who will say he “got what he deserved.”

  28. advocado5 says: Apr 5, 2012 12:21 PM

    snitches get stitches.

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    A yes! A witty yet threatening cliche. Always the mark of real intellect.

  29. The 49’ers took out Pierre Thomas with a vicious helmet to helmet hit on the first drive. He left the game never to return.

    No 49’ers were knocked out of the game.

    The Giants specifically targeted Kyle Williams of the 49’ers, who had prior concussion issues. The targeting resulted in two fumbles and a Giants Super Bowl appearance.

    The Saints are the “evil” one here?

  30. Did he really need to release the audio? Williams already admitted to the nfl that he encouraged bounties. 18,000 pages wasn’t enough? Now u have this PUNK releasing audio. I just don’t understand what he was thinking when he decided to release the audio. Like it was his moral duty. He better not be surprised when he never gets another job.

  31. duanethomas saysDo what Katrina tried, a purge of all the dirt out that toiletbowl.

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    You are a low-life piece of garbage, a pathetic excuse for a human being. But I still hope you never have to suffer through anything as traumatic as Katrina.

  32. Stay classy Michael Jenkins. Whether or not the audio *should* have been publicized is something for the Saints Legal Department to comment on. Your only role is to feel ashamed, and embarrassed the truth is out there.

  33. It takes courage to release this audio publicly. The coward would do nothing. Players who defend this bounty program, or attack whistleblowers should get a large punishment dealt swiftly to them.

  34. what goes on in the meetings and locker rooms is not for public consumption. and dont say Hard Knocks, because none of that gets on air accidentally.
    you dont want to know how the sausage is made. just enjoy the sausage

  35. This article leads with a statement that makes it a given that Pamphilon released the audio to the public.

    Do we know that for a fact now?

  36. So let me get this straight. The Saints organization and fans are not bothered by the fact their coaches were encouraging (and paying) them to injure other players; they’re outraged they were caught red handed for doing so? That sums up the whole sorry lot. What a bunch of bums. Same old ‘Aints!

  37. advocado5 says: Apr 5, 2012 12:21 PM

    snitches get stitches.

    ——-

    don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

    There is a cliche for everything.

  38. This just shows how stupid Williams, and the rest of the Saints organization really is.

    Williams knew the league was investigating him,and the Saints. And he still said all of that in front of someone with recording gear. I hope he is happy selling used cars, since he will never work in football again.

  39. There’s no such thing as off the record…a 4 star General in Afghanistan lost his job letting some guy get up close and personal with him and his staff…they should have never let this guy in that room. The old players suing about head injuries just got a bonanza of proof.

  40. Adam Schefter

    Sources close to Saints said Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis directed Gregg Williams to ensure no inappropriate conduct would occur.

  41. He might have done the saints a favor here. If their approach in the appeals process was that it was all overblown, not really specific, and that they had stopped at whatever time…. they now know better than to go in and keep lying. If they had taken that approach and this tape comes out tomorrow, Loomis/Peyton are never involved in the league again.

  42. Of course saints fans will attempt to pit the allegations into other team allegations Saints fans will never accept that they got caught

  43. Absolutely ridiculous.

    The whole point of a documentary film maker is to release what’s been documented in a film.

    In football terms that’s like saying “we didn’t think the pass rusher would rush the passer.”

  44. You have to love how all the Saint players want to come out and cry the blues as if you should feel sorry for them…..AFTER BEING CAUGHT. How would any of them feel from the QB to kicker to special teams player like going on the field this year and ever team they played was after trying taking them out possibly ruining their career. They sure did not give this a thought in their defensive meeting room. I hope God-del throws the book at them.

  45. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 5, 2012 12:38 PM

    The 49′ers took out Pierre Thomas with a vicious helmet to helmet hit on the first drive. He left the game never to return.

    No 49′ers were knocked out of the game.

    The Giants specifically targeted Kyle Williams of the 49′ers, who had prior concussion issues. The targeting resulted in two fumbles and a Giants Super Bowl appearance.

    The Saints are the “evil” one here?
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    I agree…the Saints are total cherries. No argument from me at all.

  46. kathyisintheroom–tell me that you don’t compare the illegal taping of signals to paying players to seriously injure and maim opposition players? You must be a Saints fan.

  47. Bottom line: saying Williams is a horse’s arse does a disservice to horses; this flabby jerk resides beneath their excrement. In any event, the several sociopaths who have left comments would, as to be expected, not agree with this comment.

  48. With the Saints D not being anywhere near the best in the league, I have to wonder if they were more concerned with landing knock blows instead of wrapping up and making a solid tackle.

  49. in the locker room mentality this will be viewed as a “snitches get stitches” situation. But when in fact he was just doing what an decent human being should do. What if this same guy caught a hit and run accident in the background while conducting a video w/ Gleason? should he not release the tape b/c it was supposed to be private? ppl who criticize this guy are just scared that they will get suspended.

  50. I’m tired of hearing about bountygate. If the NFL has concerns about teams targeting players injuries (like Morgan’s concussion) why make them release an injury report every Wednesday, so the other team knows where to go after someone?
    The Saints got caught for it, but I’m sure 31 other teams have had similar incidents.

  51. @vikingsfan4life says: Apr 5, 2012 12:47 PM

    So let me get this straight. The Saints organization and fans are not bothered by the fact their coaches were encouraging (and paying) them to injure other players; they’re outraged they were caught red handed for doing so? That sums up the whole sorry lot. What a bunch of bums. Same old ‘Aints!
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    Saints – 1
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  52. Wow. It’s funny how Gregg Williams seems to be the only person involved in this to take responsibility. He admitted to doing things that were wrong (after being caught, of course). He took his punishment and decided not to appeal it.

    It seems like everyone else in the Saints organization is lashing out at everyone but themselves.

    They want to call everyone else cowards because they “snitched”. Seems pretty cowardly to blame others for your mistakes.

  53. Based on the comments by the ‘Taints and their fans, I want to point out is how morally corrupt they are and what absolute lowlifes they are. They show how lacking they are in true moral and ethical values. Why they even epitomize the corrupt values of Obama and the Democrats who teach that it is wrong to be moral and ethical and instead teach that it is OK to be corrupt and evil. And also teach that when you get caught, deny everything, claim that everyone else is doing it too, and then attack everyone else even if you have to make up false accusations to take attention away from your crimes.

    So now the ‘Taints and their fans attack the documentary maker for revealing the truth to the world instead of being faithful to their corruptness and choosing to be a part of their coverup and denials.

    The ‘Taints and their lowlife fans have no one to blame but themselves and their innate arrogance, especially when their owner told them the NFL was investigating them again. Stupid Crooks! They are so corrupt that they couldn’t even force themselves to stop even when they knew the NFL was investigating them again.

  54. asw1028 says:
    Apr 5, 2012 12:33 PM
    Gleason has ALS because of his reckless play style on special teams and countless vicious hits to the head. He will never really get to know his son because of this crippling disease and now he’s angry that Gregg Williams is being exposed for encouraging other players to inflict the same kind of violence that will cut Gleason’s life short.

    ‘Kill the head, the body will die.’ Steve Gleason is living proof.

    ******************************************

    Please do us all a huge favor research this devastating disease before making any further assinine comments.

    ALS (Lou Gehrigs disease) is NOT, I repeat N O T caused by getting hit in the head, or by anything sports related you buffoon. It is a disease that destroys a persons muscles. You are a complete jerk

  55. Sounds like someone woke up and realized that their 15 minute fame clock was ticking.

    Look for this guy to pop up on every ESPN show and maybe even a network or two before everyone gets sick of him.

  56. I think this is awesome!!!!! New Orleans is corrupt to s**t, and they got a team that follows suit, along with it’s fanbase!!!! The smallest violin is being played right for everything in N.O!!!!! Jenkins should who has the bigger set of balls, as the way it looks he’s not man enough to play the game like A REAL MAN!!!!!! oh and btw REALLY!!!! a bounty on Alex Smith!!!!! U inbred ‘aints actually feared Alex Smith!!!!!! What a joke of a team LMAO all day today!!!! Thanks bums

  57. Who’s going to turn Pamphilon’s head sideways and go for the outside of his ACL?

    People are ridiculous, don’t be mad at him for exposing a MORON.

    If you were not supposed to be somewhere and see someone get killed, do you not say something since you wouldn’t have been there if it weren’t for something else?

    NO

  58. Remember when the Pats broke a rule and were penalized… and they accepted it and moved on? That was awesome.

  59. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 5, 2012 12:38 PM

    The 49′ers took out Pierre Thomas with a vicious helmet to helmet hit on the first drive. He left the game never to return.

    No 49′ers were knocked out of the game.

    The Giants specifically targeted Kyle Williams of the 49′ers, who had prior concussion issues. The targeting resulted in two fumbles and a Giants Super Bowl appearance.

    The Saints are the “evil” one here?
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    It was a legal hit. Guess the ‘Aints fans can understand the difference.

  60. This is sad. I hope Gleason and his family will be okay, but if Pamphilon violated Gleason’s trust no one should trust him!!!

  61. Here is the kicker???…The NFL warned the Saints the week leading up to the game and they still did it…That is how arrogant the Saints were!!

  62. destructicus says:
    Apr 5, 2012 12:51 PM
    Absolutely ridiculous.

    The whole point of a documentary film maker is to release what’s been documented in a film.

    Did you even read the article, or just pick out the points you wanted to?

    “A source told PFT’s Mike Florio that Gleason, who has been diagnosed with ALS, had joined up with Pamphilon to make PRIVATE RECORDINGS that could some day be given to Gleason’s son, so that he could get to know his dad after he was no longer alive.

    What do you not understand/comprehend about the phrase, private recordings?

  63. The only thing worse than reading about all this bounty stuff is trolls like @TRUTHS4ALL making it into a political issue.

    We get it, you don’t like Obama and Democrats, maybe you should be posting on a Fox News blog instead of PFT.

  64. @sfsaintsfan…

    I hate to break this too you, but please for sake of all humanity watch the Whitner play again. Whitner goes down for the tackle and THEN Thomas “goes small” to brace for the impact. Your desperate attempt to dodge blame is transparent and idiotic. Your team’s actions are reprehensible and they deserve their punishment. Grow up.

    Mr Jenkins…. The crime here is getting “ratted out” and not the disgusting conversation itself? Wow. I hope this ignorance isn’t contiguous…. Which I guess brings me back to sfsaintsfan…. Lol

  65. My first thought upon reading the headline: “Character is what we do when no one is watching.”

  66. Saints all got off easy for lying cheaters with a tainted championship… They should have lost at least 3 first round picks & possibly 3 years of franchise tags, one for each year we have confirmation they intentionally cheated & lied. Williams should be banned for life.

  67. That speech is spoke in every locker room for game preparations. This happens everywhere, not just in the saints locker room. Was there more injuries to the opposing team of the saints then there was all the other teams?? NO! I dont remember hearing people say that there was a lot more injuries when people played the saints. So if there was equal injuries with the saints compared to all other 31 teams, that means there is bounties everywhere.

  68. It was a legal hit. Guess the ‘Aints fans can understand the difference.

    ****************

    Three years of this has been going on, yet the Saints have been nowhere near the top when it comes to fines for illegal hits during games. Every play of every game is reviewed by the league for illegal hits. The Saints, as a team combined, have had some years where their total fines have been less than some individuals on other teams.

    You can continue to censor the truth, but the truth will set you free.

  69. And now all these Rats are coming out of the woodworks. Mark my words, rats are going to be coming out and saying stuff about other teams too now

  70. Adversity doesn’t build character, it reveals it.

    Taints and fans showing true colors!
    Priceless

  71. At this point, I really shouldn’t be surprised that people here are not bothering to find out all of the information before they post comments (or stories, for that matter), but whatever. If you read the ACTUAL STORY from Silver, there’s this little nugget at the end:

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    Based on his time around the team and conversations with numerous players, Pamphilon said he believes Williams’ words carried tremendous weight with his players.

    “During my time with the team, numerous sources told me that Williams used to go around bragging that he had a ‘[expletive] you’ clause in his contract – that he could basically do whatever he wanted in terms of running the defense, with complete autonomy,” Pamphilon said. “The message was clear: ‘I’m running [expletive]. If you don’t do it my way, you’ll be gone.’ ”

    Pamphilon, who watched the Saints-49ers game from the New Orleans sidelines, said he doesn’t believe Williams’ speech translated into any actual harm to San Francisco players.

    “I was two feet behind the Saints’ bench,” he said, “and it looked like they were trying to kill each other every play. But I’ve watched about 15 NFL games from the sidelines, and I didn’t see anything different in that game than I’ve seen in any other football game. To me, they’re all trying to separate guys from the ball and all trying to get big hits that land them on ‘SportsCenter’ – on every play.”

    ______________________________

    So what I get from those comments is that it wasn’t so much the Saints players being dirty or intentionally trying to hurt SF players as it was Williams being a jerk, and trying to pump his team up in a really questionable way. (Which ANY Saint fan will agree with the Williams suspension, even if he was still with the team.)

    But whatever.

    Feel free to continue passing judgement based on secondary information from an obviously biased source. I shouldn’t expect any more from the commentariat on this site…

  72. I’m sure this Pampy fellow was just a kind hearted individual that has no outside motivation other than to be a good samaritan.

    I’m sure if this bounty B.S. would’ve never came out he would’ve been petitioning the NFL to get rid of Gregg Williams.

    I’m sure that he will never be allowed in any capacity to work with the NFL again.

    I’m sure that he realizes that the one man that he was working to help (Gleason) he ended up betraying, and causing pain to the franchise that supported Gleason with rallies and campaigns to bring awareness to ALS.

    But yeah, that Pampy guy is a swell fella. He did it all because his “conscience” told him to.

  73. private or not, there was a camera. To assume the the family would never release the film after he had passed is irresponsible. give me a break, using the private argument, it may have been private for Gleason, but in no way does that mean it would remain private for the Saints.

  74. @robert831 says: Apr 5, 2012 1:25 PM

    Saints all got off easy for lying cheaters with a tainted championship… They should have lost at least 3 first round picks & possibly 3 years of franchise tags, one for each year we have confirmation they intentionally cheated & lied. Williams should be banned for life.
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    Listen to what defensive players from other teams have said about this. Only the idiot fans are getting up in arms about the “bounties” because they’re being strung along by the likes of Florio.

    It happens, deal with it.

  75. @twosteppinpun says: Apr 5, 2012 1:09 PM

    It was a legal hit. Guess the ‘Aints fans can understand the difference.
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    Show me an illegal hit by the Saints in that game. Despite the locker room bravado by GW, nothing ever happened.

  76. @thatswhatimsayin

    “He didn’t get the memo about the TPS reports either”

    Nice “Office Space” reference. And yes, it looks like Pamphilon’s recordings will help Goodell “fix the glitch” concerning these appeals, so to speak.

  77. Seeing some comments is what disgusts me about people today. Pamphilon has risked his job and any possibility of working with football ever again TO DO THE RIGHT THING. He risked his friendship with Gleason because he sees guys crippled and brain injured because of guys like Williams. The people calling him a coward or a snitch, or criticizing him are the cowards. you’re the ones who would rather shut your mouth and keep your job than do the right thing. people USED to have integrity in this country. Sadly, that notion has been long forgotten…except by a few like Pamphilon. You can beat your chest about football is a man’s game, but when the chips are down, a guy like Pamphilon who is willing to sacrifice his career for his convictions is 100 times the man you are because you played football once in high school.

  78. pgui88 says:
    Apr 5, 2012 1:25 PM
    It’s obvious that many here have never been in a defensive meeting room.
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    The visual picture I have of you includes white make-up , giant oversized shoes & a red ball on your nose.

  79. Pamphilon has risked his job and any possibility of working with football ever again TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

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    If he was truly concerned about DOING THE RIGHT THING, as you say, he would’ve released the tape months ago, instead of holding on to it until there was money to be made. Or he would’ve released the tape for free. Guess what, he did neither.

    Don’t be naive.

  80. Don’t fall of your soap box fella!! Have any of the candy asses commenting ever played a down of football?? And I don’t mean you showed up for practice for a week and then decided it wasn’t for you?

  81. Your last paragraph in the article : “Williams expected what he said to remain within the confines of the team’s defensive meeting room. He was wrong, and he may pay for it by never being allowed to coach in the NFL again.”
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    Based on his actions, not the tapes release, he should never be allowed to coach again in NFL.

  82. Sources report that over the course of the pregame speech, Pamphilon was asked repeatedly to stop recording, but he didn’t stop. He said he would make sure that the recording stopped, but it didn’t. He recorded up until the end of the speech. Then he promised he would keep it private, but he didn’t.

    Man, if he had only stopped when asked to stop, he wouldn’t have all these Saints players and fans mad at him!

  83. I really think the only way to deal with this situation is to ban the entire organization from playing for three years. Three years was the minimum amount of time the Saints organization was carrying out these felonious actions against their competitors, and it’s clear these crimes were widespread and well known throughout the organization.

    The time has come to punish the saints like the pathetic cowards they are. And if their local fanbase keeps taking actions to inidicate their support for these crimes, the entire franchise should be withdrawn from NO!

    We will not tolerate assault and battery with the intention hurting and maiming another player, and it’s clear the comissioner understands this, it’s too bad the fans in New Orleans fail to.

  84. dspyank2k11 says:
    Apr 5, 2012 12:40 PM
    What would happen if you put Gregg Williams.. Rex Ryan and Tim Tebow in the same room?

    – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Let me guess! Rex would be in the corner fondling his feet, while Tim would be in his “Position” praying to be able to play, and Gregg would be calling bookies in Las Vegas to spot bets on bounties and how many would be carried off the field.

  85. Florio, are you now controling when someone can like and dislike a comment? if they do not agree with you, they have no vote? sounds like the NBC part of this joke of site has gotten to you.

    Repeated again: stay out of NOLA for the Super Bowl Florio. You are not wanted or needed. Let the real journalists do their job. Not reason for rumor mongers. By the way, are you done yet making sure to rub Mo Claiborne’s name in the ground as much as possible? You really must dislike this state. No worries. Stay out

  86. Based on the comments by the ‘Taints and their fans, I want to point out is how morally corrupt they are and what absolute lowlifes they are. They show how lacking they are in true moral and ethical values. Why they even epitomize the corrupt values of Obama and the Democrats who teach that it is wrong to be moral and ethical and instead teach that it is OK to be corrupt and evil. And also teach that when you get caught, deny everything, claim that everyone else is doing it too, and then attack everyone else even if you have to make up false accusations to take attention away from your crimes.

    So now the ‘Taints and their fans attack the documentary maker for revealing the truth to the world instead of being faithful to their corruptness and choosing to be a part of their coverup and denials.

    The ‘Taints and their lowlife fans have no one to blame but themselves and their innate arrogance, especially when their owner told them the NFL was investigating them again. Stupid Crooks! They are so corrupt that they couldn’t even force themselves to stop even when they knew the NFL was investigating them again.
    ____________________________________

    your lack of class here really shows. It is not the fans fault that this happened,I am not a Saints fan (go Jaguars) but calling a fan base a bunch of low life’s and class less really makes you out to be very stupid and uneducated and do me a favor please leave politics out of this because Republicans are just as bad (and this is coming from a conservative)

  87. Why are so many people shooting the messanger in Pamphilon? He didn’t do anything wrong. He didn’t break any rules. He was shooting a documentary. If the Saints wanted something nice and rosy they should have had their PR department film a promotional. That alone speaks to this incredible arrogance of the the whole Saints organization. Including the clueless so-called fans. As far as Pamphilon making a buck off it, more power to him. Once again, he didn’t do anything wrong.

  88. So Gregg Williams understood the recording was being made to show Gleason’s unborn son THAT side of football?

    What a complete disgrace to the human race— Glad someone made the tape public before the kid had to witness this guy’s wreckless attitude.

  89. mdd913 says:

    If he was truly concerned about DOING THE RIGHT THING, as you say, he would’ve released the tape months ago, instead of holding on to it until there was money to be made. Or he would’ve released the tape for free.
    —————————

    Unless I missed it, the only reference I saw to him being paid is Jenkins asking the question.

  90. The Saints expected that Pamphilon to keep this quite, just like the NFL expected that the Saints would change their behavior, after being warned repeatedly.

  91. You Saints haters are nothing but a bunch of idiots. It is a typical defensive coach speech before a important game. This goes on, get over it. Players with injuries are targeted by opposing teams, and that is news? If a player has a concussion, he should not be cleared for the game. If a player is cleared for the games, he should tighten his chin strap and get ready to get hit.

  92. pgui88 says:
    Apr 5, 2012 1:25 PM
    It’s obvious that many here have never been in a defensive meeting room.
    _______________________________
    I didn’t have a problem with much of what he said, maybe 10% but that 10% was a biggie. Telling guys to go after a guy’s ACL is filthy. And I don’t need to have been in any meeting room to know that. I’ve heard a bunch of NFL players lamenting the new hit rules saying they’d rather be hit high (head) than have someone go after their knees. In “NFL time” a guy returns from concussions but may never be the same after a horrible knee injury and the recovery time is longer.

  93. The Saints look worse and worse every week. I think we all know that hardly anything we do or say is hardly private anymore with technology today. Everyone has a camera on their phone now a day. For the Saints and Williams to expect everything to be kept secret is stupid esp. when there is a person in there not part of your team.

    Malcom Jenkins is spot on. I would love to know how much Sean Pamphilon got for the tape.

    Lastly, I hope Sean Pamphilon knows that he most likely ended his NFL insider film making. I highly doubt any team will be letting this guy in thier facilities.

  94. Gregg Williams = the Tony Soprano of the NFL.

    If Pamphilon was a coward, he would’ve sold the recordings to the highest bidder on condition of anonymity as a source. He’s not hiding from anyone. He witnessed something akin to organized crime taking place, and he captured it in recordings. He’s morally (perhaps legally) bound to share those recordings, regardless of his confidentiality agreement with the Saints.

    My question is whether Pamphilon is actually Goodell’s main source, the lynchpin to this entire investigation. The only criticism I have for this guy is that he should’ve submitted his recordings as evidence to police immediately — not to the NFL months later.

  95. tiedyeguy says:
    Apr 5, 2012 2:28 PM
    I really think the only way to deal with this situation is to ban the entire organization from playing for three years. Three years was the minimum amount of time the Saints organization was carrying out these felonious actions against their competitors, and it’s clear these crimes were widespread and well known throughout the organization.

    The time has come to punish the saints like the pathetic cowards they are. And if their local fanbase keeps taking actions to inidicate their support for these crimes, the entire franchise should be withdrawn from NO!

    We will not tolerate assault and battery with the intention hurting and maiming another player, and it’s clear the comissioner understands this, it’s too bad the fans in New Orleans fail to.

    Calm down before you give yourself a heart attack, grandpa.

    One more thing, the fans are not supporting the “crimes” as you like to say. They are showing support for their coach. Did he screw up? Absolutely. Payton & Loomis will do their time. They deserve to. I’m a lifelong Saints fan, and it sucks to hear about your team being involved in something like this, but they deserve the punishment that’s coming their way.

    Btw, i will be LMFAO when Goodell is handing the Lombardi to Benson/Loomis in February.

  96. Okay…..everybody has got their daily dose of “I hate the Saints”. Where do we stand, the Saints are still the team in the NFL to beat, those facts haven’t changed. The Saints are coming to get ya! Looking forward to another Super Bowl!

  97. And the league expected the Saints not to act like a bunch of pathetic goons.

    Payton needs to get the life time ban along with Williams and if the Saints had any character at all they would fire him today.

  98. At least this guy has some cojones.

    I remember a few weeks ago hearing Hub Arkush of Pro Football Weekly talking to the guys on WSCR, The Score, a sportstalk radio show in Chicago, that this bounty thing was getting bigger. Specifically, Hub said he personally saw know felon Ornstein in the Saints locker room after a game. This was after Sean Payton and the Saints organization had been warned by the NFL not to associate with Ornstein.
    The point is, Arkush knew about the warning, saw Ornstein there and did nothing about it.
    Nobody likes snitches or tattle tales. But, at some point, morally and ethically, don’t you have to speak out about this kind of stuff? I would like to know why Hub didn’t report that to the league office. Maybe he did, but he wasn’t saying.

    Keeping quiet with stuff and being found out later that you knew about illegal activities makes you an accomplice after the fact.

  99. Says –
    advocado5
    Apr 5, 2012, 9:21 AM PDT
    snitches get stitches.

    Perfect name for someone who has an avocado between the ears as well.

  100. minnesconsin says:
    Apr 5, 2012 3:06 PM
    Gregg Williams = the Tony Soprano of the NFL.

    ——————-

    And Williams career ended as abruptly as the show did.

  101. I see the end justifies the means for most of you.

    Interestingly, while spending 2 years with the Patriots for his book, Michael Holley said he was not asked ever, not one time, to withhold anything he saw or heard.

    This during the years some idiots think the Pats were a devious, cheating organization.

  102. I am extremely glad this tape was released.
    No more lying . . .
    No more hiding . . .
    No more saying “It wasn’t that bad”

    It’s on tape and it IS that bad. I like the Saints but this stinks and needs to be cleaned up and the stench removed from NFL football. Saints fans who support or justify these actions should be ashamed of themselves.

  103. The righteous wand that some of you wave around is amazing. I guarantee you. Had the exact same thing happened…same circumstances with your team. Super bowl and all, suspension and all, you would be arguing about the length of your head coaches suspension as well. You also would be defending your Championship as well. If you say otherwise you are lying to yourself. No where, at least not for me have I said that we did not deserve some sort of punishment for what was done. I do not agree with Gregg Williams did while here. That being said what we are upset about is losing our head coach for an entire season. that is just rediculous. Also, if you look at during those times how many players actually left the game due to injuries I bet you would find all of them on legal plays. Was it wrong to have the money system, yes, but the majority of the play was within the legal rules on the field. Those plays that weren’t were penalized or fined. Suh tried to injure a player and only got two games. Belicheck lied and cheated and was only fined…no suspension whatsoever. Before you respond saying that I can’t compare the two. All I am saying there is no rhyme or reason to the suspension that Goodell deals. What it comes down to is if you are one of the Gloried or big time franchises. I guarantee you that had this happened in Dallas, Pittsburgh, New England, San Fran, the head coach would not have gotten an entire year.

  104. Pretty ironic timing for someone who was so concerned about the Saints bounty program. Why wasn’t it released when the news first broke instead on on the same day as the Saints appeal? Something stinks awfully bad here…

  105. The irony of this is the Saints defense didn’t do any of the bad things that Gregg said. Instead, it was San Francisco who turned the tables with a clearly illegal hit on Pierre Thomas that knocked him out of the game.

    This audio is not exactly damning. The Saints were already punished….they can’t be on double secret probation. So this just fans the flames of hatred from certain fans, but it really serves no purpose other than to promote Sean Pamphilon. It certainly doesn’t make Saints players look worse. It doesn’t support any NFL case for additional suspensions. And the timing is suspicious and makes me wonder if Sean wanted a payoff from the Saints.

    Ultimately, the release of this audio will make it virtually impossible for media to get into the locker room. How can teams ever trust reporters again?

  106. TheWizard says:
    Apr 5, 2012 5:28 PM
    I see the end justifies the means for most of you.

    Interestingly, while spending 2 years with the Patriots for his book, Michael Holley said he was not asked ever, not one time, to withhold anything he saw or heard.

    This during the years some idiots think the Pats were a devious, cheating organization.
    —————
    He could have voluntarily kept quiet.
    I don’t know which part of losing a draft pick and $500k as penalties for cheating/breaking the rules is hard of Pats fans to understand.
    If effect, the Pats were a cheating, devious organization.

  107. FrankTheRat96 says:
    I guarantee you. Had the exact same thing happened…same circumstances with your team…you would be arguing about the length of your head coaches suspension as well.
    I guarantee you that had this happened in Dallas, Pittsburgh, New England, San Fran, the head coach would not have gotten an entire year.

    —————————————————————–

    Yeah but my team didn’t decide to allow this behavior to happen, neither did Pitt, or NE, or 49ers or any of the “Gloried or big time franchises”…..it was your team. It was the Aint’s. They were the ones who continued to do it, they were the ones who LIED after they were caught red handed. The Aint’s were the ones who were trying to injure people while the NFL was promoting safety and fending off lawsuits from former players. That team got what they deserved for attempting to remove stars from the league…. STOP WHINING ABOUT IT

  108. HOW MANY OTHER TIMES DID THIS BEHAVIOR TAKE PLACE OVER THREE YEARS WITHOUT A RECORDER TO CATCH THEM?

    Get over it Saints fans. The coaches have been punished. It is just and will not be overturned or reduced on appeal. No additional punishment is necessary.

    The players are next. . . they do not and should not get a pass.

  109. If effect, the Pats were a cheating, devious organization.

    Have it your way.

    The trophies and Conference Championships look pretty good from my house.

  110. sfsaintsfan | Apr 5, 2012, 9:38 AM PDT
    The 49′ers took out Pierre Thomas with a vicious helmet to helmet hit on the first drive. He left the game never to return.

    No 49′ers were knocked out of the game.

    The Giants specifically targeted Kyle Williams of the 49′ers, who had prior concussion issues. The targeting resulted in two fumbles and a Giants Super Bowl appearance.

    The Saints are the “evil” one here?

    No. The better team won that day so go put your paper bag on Bitch!

  111. TheWizard says:
    Apr 5, 2012 8:03 PM
    If effect, the Pats were a cheating, devious organization.

    Have it your way.

    The trophies and Conference Championships look pretty good from my house.
    ——
    Good for you. Didn’t know your house was close to where the trophies* are displayed.

    Of course, rest of the football world views them with an asterisk mark. Cheers.

  112. Kathyisintheroom says:
    Please do us all a huge favor research this devastating disease before making any further assinine comments.

    ALS (Lou Gehrigs disease) is NOT, I repeat N O T caused by getting hit in the head, or by anything sports related you buffoon. It is a disease that destroys a persons muscles. You are a complete jerk
    ——————————————————–
    FAIL. I’m a physician, and I’m guessing, by your ill-informed opinion, that you’re not. Actually, there has been a strong link between repetitive, traumatic brain injury and early-onset ALS. Read up on the disease and get back to us with your findings.

  113. Didn’t know your house was close to where the trophies* are displayed.

    I should certainly hope you don’t know where my house is, just like your trailer doesn’t interest me.

  114. @TheWizard says:
    Apr 6, 2012 3:17 AM
    Didn’t know your house was close to where the trophies* are displayed.

    I should certainly hope you don’t know where my house is, just like your trailer doesn’t interest me.

     ——–
    I knew that Pats trash would stoop that low. I’d be surprised you have a house considering your low IQ since you don’t understand what is a rhetorical statement. I’ve no interest in the alley you live in.

  115. The saints got caught? Really ? That guy who snitched is selfish jealous of Gregg Williams. And Williams is a bum who cares? Lol who’s better than US? Nobody!!!

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