Sean Pamphilon should tread lightly when making demands

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The more I learn about filmmaker Sean Pamphilon, the less comfortable I feel with the contrived narrative that paints him as the “Deep Throat” of the NFL’s concussion-fueled culture change.

My first instinct was that Pamphilon is an opportunist who was willing to put his own interests above the wishes of the man without whom Pamphilon never would have been in position to capture damning audio from former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.  As time has passed, the feelings have grown stronger.

A recent item from Johnette Howard of pushes those sentiments to a new level, with Pamphilon unintentionally raising more questions regarding his failure to say or do anything for weeks, even though he was supposedly deeply troubled by what he heard.

“As I sat there, I thought, ‘Either this guy really doesn’t get what is so wrong about this or he doesn’t care,'” Pamphilon told Howard, adding that Pamphilon was “stunned” by what he heard.

Fine.  So tell someone that night.  Or the next day.  Or the next day.  Instead, Pamphilon filed it away and showed up at the game and rooted for the Saints to win and keep right on going without considering seriously the possibility of taking any action until the NFL announced in early March that the Saints had maintained a bounty system for three years.

And then Pamphilon saw an opportunity to generate publicity — and possibly a buyer — for his Steve Gleason documentary and, possibly, for Pamphilon’s broader look at the game, The United States of Football.

Thus, a dilemma that didn’t even register the faintest blip of Pamphilon’s radar screen from January 13 until March 2 suddenly became a crisis of ethics.

“And what do you do? What do . . . you DO?” Pamphilon said to Howard in justifying his eventual disregard for Gleason’s wishes.  “What I thought releasing this audio would do is create a public dialogue that could not be ignored . . . something that’s going to make everyone think and talk.  Because before this, people knew bounties existed.  But nobody knew what a bounty actually sounded like.  How disgusting it is.”

But why didn’t those questions arise before the bounty scandal became the biggest topic in the NFL?

This one is simple, folks.  Pamphilon saw an opening to advance an agenda, even if it meant betraying Gleason — and in a roundabout way causing Gleason to betray the Saints.

Now that the story has died down, Pamphilon has re-inserted himself into it again, telling Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports that NFL Security is hounding Pamphilon for the “Gregg Williams tapes.”  But Pamphilon, displaying what has been described by one person who knows him as a “warped sense of morality and self-importance,” wants Commissioner Roger Goodell to “answer real questions first.”

Yeah, with Pamphilon’s cameras rolling and his microphone taped to Goodell’s lapel.

Pamphilon should be careful about making demands.  Though the league won’t comment on the situation, the NFL’s lawyers surely are churning up the billable hours scouring the statutes and common law in Louisiana (where the project originated) and California (where the Williams tapes were created) to find any plausible argument to support a claim that Pamphilon had a special license to attend otherwise secret meetings, and that this special license includes turning over any materials generated to the entity ultimately responsible for the meetings that Pamphilon had a special license to attend.  (Apparently, legal precedent arising from past disputes known as “common law” in 49 states is known as “jurisprudence” in Louisiana.)

Putting unreasonable conditions on giving the tapes to the NFL after Pamphilon already has made 12 minutes of audio publicly available serves only to cement the notion that Sean Pamphilon is all about Sean Pamphilon — and to stir up the tank of blue-suited sharks who soon could be forcing Pamphilon to spend money he doesn’t have to defend his legal right to avoid doing something that, if he’s truly committed to doing the right thing, he should do without hesitation.

78 responses to “Sean Pamphilon should tread lightly when making demands

  1. His “motivation” or ethics doesn’t matter to the NFL.


    Unless he doctored or somehow falsified the actual audio of Gregg Williams – motivation means nothing because regardless of his motivation – Gregg said those things and the event happened.

    If this dude becomes rich or not, if he’s famous or not, a good guy or not – NONE of that changes the fact that Williams and the Saints did this.

    Worry less about the messenger and more about the actual EVENT he’s reporting.

  2. While it is good that this came out, it’s been obvious from the beginning that this guy was, at best, an opportunist and, at worst, blood sucking leach. 

  3. Geez, only the blind and dumb couldn’t see this guy for what he is.

    He’ll go back to being a loser soon enough.

  4. Teal 379. I’m with you on that one. Who cares who said who shot Kennedy, get the guy that did the shooting. Pamphilon didn’t do ANYTHING any other writer, documenter, pressed wouldn’t hav done as well they’re just jealous they didn’t get the SCOOP. Im sure the NFL atty’s are COMING FULL FORCE so he needs to get that stuff out there asap to someone that can support him. AKA. Roger Goodell

  5. Regardless of his motives, which seem apparent, maybe he doesn’t find Goodell’s story credible about not having enough evidence to whack the Saints for bounties in 2010. That Goodell in fact enabled the Saints by turning a blind eye to GW’s antics much like he is accusing Payton and Loomis of. Perhaps he actually has evidence to “the real existence” of a Goodell cover-up and hypocritical handling of this case and that is what he really is leveraging. Are we witnessing the blackmailing of the great NFL Commish right before our very eyes?……No White Flags

  6. He left the locker room to cheer them on so he could get more material. If New Orleans wins, he gets another week of audio, meaning more money. I doubt he expected it to be this huge a deal, but, if he had audio of the team (had they made it), mentioning a bounty on Brady, he could demand a king’s ransom.

  7. I see why your mad Saints97…your a fan. But this guy is no loser. He created arguably the ebst documentary in ESPN’s 30 for 30. Run Ricky Run. This guy is doing what everyone would have done. You would have heard what Williams was saying, said “wow, that’s harsh, but I guess this is what happens in NFL locker rooms,” and went about your day. Granted, the guy is trying to make some money, and get some more footage with a Goodell interview. So be it. It’s a way to promote himself. Which he should do. It’s what anyone should do. Raise your personal profile, becuase no one else will. This guy did nothing wrong. He is holding the key, and that pisses people off. Well to bad. He has the footage, and that’s that. As someone posted before, don’t worry about the messanger, worry about the message. This guy is holding the message, do as he requests or you won’t hear it. Not to mention, I hope this guy blasts Goodell. The commish has ruined so much of this game.

  8. I think Florio’s analysis is spot on… That Pamphilon is in fact trying to profit from this and that an interview with Goodell is part of that self promotion and an important ingredient of his book.

    That being said, I think Goodell has had an inkling of the practice of some teams using injury reports to target players for quite awhile, and there are several questions that I would hope more credible members of the media would ask…

    If Goodell knew of the practice and continued to insist on disclosures of injuries and even penalized coaches who refused to put their players at risk even if gambling interests complained, then that is a very relevant question that Goodell should answer

    If Pamphilon is the only one willing to demand an answer from Goodell so be it

  9. This article suggests that what he did was ethically wrong.

    What were the two issues at play again:

    An ex-player who felt that he could control a reporter’s first ammendment rights so that he would not be labeled a snitch or be associated with something so vile and disgusting…….


    The vile and disgusting commands for players to commit premeditated felonious assaults on other players.

    There are times when men must say something, regardless of consequences because it is the right thing to do. Protecting a man who wanted to keep this a secret is NOT the right thing to do.

  10. Pamphilon’s motives may not be entirely altruistic, but a lot of effort is being spent on trying to determine whether he is or is not a bad guy. The tapes gave some real audio to the fans, unlike the controlled behind the scenes footage on the NFL Network shows or Hard Knocks, and the league doesn’t like this.

  11. “Putting unreasonable conditions on giving the tapes to the NFL after Pamphilon already has made 12 minutes of audio publicly available serves only to cement the notion that Sean Pamphilon is all about Sean Pamphilon”

    How does that make sense?

  12. Teal and kodakinvegas have good points.

    Florio is criticizing Pamphilon for getting a scoop and then milking it it rather than handing the information over to Goodell, who himself may be implicated in a cover up of what the NFL knew of bounties.

    The next time Florio or anyone at PFT gets wind of an NFL scandal, will they immediately turn the evidence over to Goodell?

    My guess is no. Like Pamphilon PFT will likely break the scoop and try to exploit the news to boost web hits and advertising revenue.

    The pot may be calling the kettle black here… And I’ve yet to see anyone from PFT or NBC demand a sit down with Goodell to ask what he knew and when he knew it.

  13. This guy is a scumbag who took advantage of a dying man. He has no morals or integrity, and deserves 0 respect. I hate Goodell as much as anyone but I hate this guy more.

  14. If he had broken the story right away, in the middle of the playoffs, you don’t think he would’ve gotten more publicity than he’s getting now? It would have been a HUGE deal.

  15. Pamphilon released and is toying with the idea of giving the NFL the tapes for the same reason that the NFL sensationalized the bounties—MONEY!

  16. But Pamphilon, displaying what has been described by one person who knows him as a “warped sense of morality and self-importance,” wants Commissioner Roger Goodell to “answer real questions first.”

    I was looking through the articles related to this to see if I could discern the real question. One thing I found is Pamphilon saying if he could ask Goodell one question, it would be how could Goodell make the case that Pamphilon should let his 13 year old son play tackle football knowing the possible health effects. I think that is a pretty good question. If that is all it is, I am all in favor of hearing an answer.

    As for the gain to Pamphilon, I still don’t know what it might be. I think he has been a bit awkward in the way he has handled thing, but I don’t know what I would do. In due time, all will come out.

  17. “teal379 says:
    Apr 15, 2012 10:29 PM
    His “motivation” or ethics doesn’t matter to the NFL.


    Unless he doctored or somehow falsified the actual audio of Gregg Williams – motivation means nothing because regardless of his motivation – Gregg said those things and the event happened.

    If this dude becomes rich or not, if he’s famous or not, a good guy or not – NONE of that changes the fact that Williams and the Saints did this.

    Worry less about the messenger and more about the actual EVENT he’s reporting.”


    Well said teal379

  18. pft says: “Now that the story has died down, Pamp….”


    not here. im still trying to clean up the water i spit out reading that line.

  19. “Worry less about the messenger and more about the actual EVENT he’s reporting.”

    Actually, as someone who has worked in network and cable television for close to three decades, you really DO need to worry about the messenger. You wouldn’t believe what we can do in edit. Because if you can’t trust the guy who holds the tapes, you can’t trust the tape. Pretty easy, if you know what you’re doing, to tamper with audio and video. I’m no fan of Greg Williams or the Saints. I won’t be complaining if half the team is suspended when they play the Giants. But, if the “filmmaker” has an issue with ethics, you can’t be certain what’s legit and what’s a scam. You can bet part of the reason the NFL wants those tapes so badly is to see if Sean “sweetened” or selectively edited the audio at all.

  20. Pamphilon is no hero or ace reporter – oooooh you let out the audio AFTER the Saints and Williams were busted and punished. Yes, the Saints did it, but Pamphilon is clearly riding the coat tails of the story to try and make a name for himself.

    My question is can Gleason make Pamphilon give the tapes to the NFL? I know Gleason doesn’t want to hurt the Saints, but maybe he can keep Pamphilon from benefitting further.

  21. or how about trade places with Gregg Williams???

    With this lack of journalistic integrity he deserves unemployment, not Gregg!!!!!!

  22. Should he have released the tapes? Certainly but what people like mhs8031 and teal379 don’t understand is that he is refusing to help out anymore unless his demands are met.

    He is out for himself not for the good of the players that could have been bounty victims. If he wanted to do the right thing he would give over a copy of his Williams tape without demanding a Goodell interview.

    What good comes if he keeps the rest of his stuff secret?

  23. his 15 mins of fame are here and counting down, he will be forgotten soon, SO SORRY TIS IS LIFE!!! it goes for all of us!!

  24. Umm this guy did not prove anything. What needed to proven was already admitted by the culprit and others. This was a blatant money/fame grab. All he has submitted so far is audio of a defensive coordinator doing what most defensive coordinators do whether they admit it or not and whether you want to believe it or not, tell players to go out and knock someone out of the game and target injured players. I have never played pro, but I have played on every other level and can tell you without question Gregg Williams is not a unique individual. This type of speech can be heard on EVERY LEVEL of play. There has been mention of a hand gesture of money but that is just hearsay and is not concrete evidence and as such, that may not fly in court. The audio alone only proves that Gregg Williams was a ruthless S.O.B. which we already knew. So unless he has something else, he can sit and spin.

    Fans should have never been allowed in the locker room as they cannot handle truth of what goes on. It has tainted their fairy tale vision of the so-called honor you wish existed in football. This is the same reason the military attempts to keep its information top secret because civilians cannot understand the realities of war, yet they have baseless opinions of “wrong” and “right.” In that same vein, a fan can’t comprehend the field or the locker room in it’s true, grim form. I know it isn’t a popular opinion, but it’s true. It won’t be Goodell that ruins the game. He has no choice but to kneel to Court of Public Opinion. Unfortunately the jury is ignorant about the case they preside over.

  25. Sounds like a whole lot of PFT speculation again.

    Maybe he just didn’t realize the magnitude of what he was hearing until he realized why it was being said?

  26. Not sure how this guy wins once Williams said what he did. If he never released it, it would come out eventually, and he’d share the blame for the cover-up. Release it instantly, and he’d be pilloried for having no consideration at all for his position and the Gleason connection. Wait a while and then release it – which, really, seems like the most fallibly human way to do it, since he would probably need time to process what he’d stand to lose, and the extra confidence from an NFL investigation would help – and he gets schizophrenic coverage from the sports media.

    I’m not so sure this falls in the “no such thing as bad publicity” category. Seems like he runs a real risk of being blacklisted for this, and unless he was ready to cut all ties with the NFL – or sports in general – it looks like a very risky move. A similar breaking of detachment happened to the filmmakers of the documentary ‘Bully’ – more similar the more I think about it – when a troubling incident happened on camera. I don’t think any of us can comfortably pass judgment here.

  27. Question:
    How do we know this guy isn’t the “snitch”?

    Isn’t it possible he talked to Goodell or someone long before he released the video?

    Either way…Florio continues to divert attention from the true criminals in this situation.

  28. He wants to maintain control over his own property & make some money & dictate his own terms. Just like the NFL. That’s why they’re not happy about this. He does not respect their authority.

  29. I have no doubt this guy had no idea what he had until the bounty issue became front and center. At that point, I am sure he re-watched the tape and became appalled only then. I do love how people are ripping him for trying to profit off of this. If NFL Security wants the tapes, make an offer. There is a price he will give them up for.

  30. I don’t think it is all that SIMPLE. Perhaps Pamphilon did not want to go out on a limb, early on, against an extremely powerful organization…then released the tape as the scandal gained momentum, thus making it more comfortable for him to do so. Just because he doesn’t have big brass ones, doesn’t mean that ultimately he did not do what was best for the greater good of the game. Until the tape was released, virtually no one outside of that locker room realized the evil intent that existed being the wall of scandal. And in the realm of things, what Pamphilon is doing now is just not all that important. It’s so much easier to tell a guy what to do…when you’re not the one holding the smoking gun.

  31. Ya, let’s keep finding distractions from the truth. This is not about Sean Pamphilon or even Steve Gleason for that matter. It’s about Gregg Williams being caught doing what probably no other coach was doing in the NFL. Targeting injured players and offering cash to take out the QB.
    The NFL is simply trying to gather all information related and this tape is one. The cat popped his head out of the bag and now people are demanding to see the whole animal. Not turning over evidence obtained in an NFL franchise locker room could be grounds for a suit as well as the possibility of criminal prosecution.

    Forget the side players and watch the NFL try to right the ship in the most transparent manner it can live with. They have no choice as there are politicians and lawyers chompin’ at the bit to help fix the problems.

  32. Any sound tech will tell you that the GW tapes were recorded covertly. If the mike was out in the open for all to see, then it would have not been knocked around as you can hear on the recording.

  33. Yeah, this guy should turn the tape over to the same guy that destroyed all evidence of the Patriots cheating to win 3 Super Bowls. 😉

  34. Let me start by saying that I don’t know anyone involved in this business, nor do I have any biases that would make me side with one party or the other. Having said that, this article seems like a lot of what-ifs concerning a somewhat important issue.

    To begin with, I’ve heard the same “he was Gleason’s guest” argument made by Peter King, and I just don’t get it. Maybe it’s because I don’t make a living based off of leaks or special access, but when it comes to letting the public know when something serious is going on, what does it matter how you got your access? If you’re following the same line of arguments you and Mr. King make, the question remains: exactly how bad would the circumstances have to be before you no longer care about how you got your access?

    Secondly, at least part of the delay has to do with Gleason’s desire to not publicize the recordings. Their arrangement allowed either party to release material, but Pamphilon supposedly tried and failed to get Gleason to agree with the release. When that failed, Pamphilon and Gleason engaged an arbitrator who eventually told Pamphilon to go ahead and release the recording. If that actually happened, then it’s a process that would take some time, and it’s not like years passed between the recording and the release. The recording took place right before the Saints-49ers playoff game at the end of this latest season.

    Finally, I don’t know what real claim the NFL would have. Pamphilon was not there as a part of NFL films or any other branch of the NFL. His deal was with Gleason alone. Gleason was invited into the defensive meeting and brought Pamphilon with him. In this case, the NFL’s authority seems limited to access. They knowingly let him inside, and they knowingly let him record the proceedings. He wasn’t hiding in a locker with a spycam. So, unless he signed something before he entered the room that forbid him from publicizing anything he saw or heard (hard to imagine since he was filming a documentary), then the NFL has no claim to his work. The one thing the NFL could do I expect is ask the court to grant them access to Pamphilon’s recordings in order to help them complete their internal investigation. I’m not a lawyer, so I really don’t know how that would work since we’re talking about a private company performing it’s own internal investigation rather than an official governmental investigation. Either way, that would simply give the NFL access to a copy of Pamphilon’s recordings. We’re certainly not going to see a destruction of the tapes like we have in the past.

    Like almost everyone else discussing this issue, I don’t know Pamphilon, nor do I know his true motives. Only Pamphilon really knows that. If I had to guess, I’d probably guess that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Having read both Michael Silver’s and Peter King’s reporting on the issue, I’d have to figure that he released the audio primarily because he was bothered by what he saw and heard. Did he also hope to garner some attention for his project? Most likely. He did self-finance the project, and I’m sure after all that work he’d like for his project to be profitable. Either way, I really don’t care. Pamphilon’s motives aren’t an issue for me. The only real issue in my opinion is what Pamphilon discovered and was able to get on tape.

  35. “To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men” – Ella Wheeler Wilcox

  36. Reminds me of how everyone loves to slam Conseco in the MLB world for blowing the lid off steriods, decrying him as an opportunist who’s only interested in making a buck… but trying to ignore the whole time that he’s 100% correct.

    Don’t blame the messenger.

  37. This isn’t that hard to understand. When it became clear that Williams and co had been doing this for years – not just once – Pamphilon came forward. We should all be glad he did. The guy did the right thing.

    The idea that he has a comparable duty to give those tapes over to the NFL is laughable. The NFL is a corporation…why should Pamphilon just assume that they’re gonna do the right thing?

  38. Pamphilon is the reporter in the airplane restroom in Die Hard. Looking in the mirror while on the phone to the media exposing the NFL’s worst crime against humanity. Publicity. More please.

  39. I don’t agree with the notion that he should have released these tapes in January, if he was so disturbed. If he’s never been in a locker room, he might just think that speeches like Greg Williams’ go on everyday, regardless of how disturbed he was. Why would he know any differently? You can call him an opportunist, but suggesting he should have done it in January when he didn’t necessarily know what he was looking at is ridiculous.

  40. The hell with the NFL, I don’t know why the Attorney General of LA hasn’t asked. I mean if the cops can go to a mini-mart owner to get video of a crime being committed why not audio tapes of these “crimes”? Also, I have been betting from the beginning that from here out out the NFL will be monitoring ALL sideline coach/player mics (if they don’t already have stuff) and recording the info. GW was into this SO deep that something had to be said on gameday over a mic? NFL … more monitoring in the workplace and it’d all hold up in court.

  41. Not a PFT Mnday, if MF does not lead with a Saints hater story…this MF knows what everyone else knows but refuses to admit – Saints are still a great team and WILL WIN THE SB THIS YEAR…TWO DAT! WE DAT….stay classy, haters….

  42. Mike, check out Saintsman3 at for similar observations over the past few weeks. I was an advocate of the Deep Throat theory, but in this case, a Deep Throat would mean betrayal of Gleason which is to me the ultimate low-life act.

    I’m also ambivalent about Pamphilon’s motives. It just seems that his relationship with Gleason may have complicated his timing, so he does have a plausible story. Regardless, I agree that now that the cat is out of the bag, he’s milking it for sure.

    Regardless, the real story here will be the effect of the tapes on the a coercion theory that the NFLPA and players will no doubt use to minimize penalties. The Napoleonic Code in Louisiana muddles things, but in principal, it’s the same as civil law. Employment law and coercion of employees will also be huge in the players defense.

    Also, it’s ironic that the tapes may actually help the players and Saints (since the coaches were doomed anyway and tapes could avoid losing players to suspension). I think the recent hiring of Fulbright and Jaworski means the NFLPA is positioning itself for a donnybrook with the NFL on suspensions. The civil and employment law on this one favors the players.

  43. Pamphilons a snake who throw those who trusted him under the bus.

    Hell never see the inside of a locker room again.

  44. Mike, why do I think your “first instincts” regarding Pamphilons would have been completely different had you not been BFFs with Peter King, who as we all know is tight with Gleason???

    Who cares what Pamphilons’ motivations were/are? It doesnt change what was said on the tapes. Many people, who were dead fast Saint supporters completely changed their tune once the tapes were released.

    That’s all that matters.

  45. For a website that has a “Days Since Last Arrest” meter and that thrives on breaking controversial stories, aren’t you being a little hypocritical?

    You both do the same thing.

    You document the NFL with the ultimate goal of financial compensation.

  46. I’ve never done it by betraying anyone’s trust. That’s the point here. Pamphilon decided to twist the situation to his benefit, and he’s now justifying what he did to Steve Gleason via a flimsy argument that Pamphilon was simply doing the right thing. If he truly was interested in doing the right thing, we would have heard the tapes long before April 6.

  47. I don’t care about this guy and his relationship to Gleason. I care about the NFL. What was on those tapes is beyond bad and that’s the real story…. on the other hand I’ve got a feeling this hump will be sorry he tried to cross the NFL with these latest demands.

  48. “Putting unreasonable conditions on giving the tapes to the NFL after Pamphilon already has made 12 minutes of audio publicly available serves only to cement the notion that Sean Pamphilon is all about Sean Pamphilon”

    Huh? The tapes do not belong to the NFL? Why should he hand them over? The NFL destroyed the spygate tapes before anyone could see what was really on them. If they wernt a big deal they would have released those.

    If Pamphilon didnt release this audio it never would have been heard.

    Mike you need to cool off, you are getting way too hot and bothered during your Peter King sponge baths.

  49. DCBlueStar says: Apr 15, 2012 10:46 PM

    Who cares????
    BOTTOM LINE: He did the right thing by releasing the audio.

    Why didn’t he just send the audio to the NFL? Why release it to the general public? The answer is pretty obvious: he’s selling a book and betrayed Gleason’s trust to get some publicity.

  50. So, why is it the “right thing” to hand his stuff over to the NFL? Because Goodell says so? Or because YOU say so?

    Goodell only wants what Pamphilon has, so Goodell can destroy all the evidence, just like he did with the evidence with that other sorry team of cheaters. I would be more interested in getting Goodell’s plans for ruining the game exposed before a congressional committee, than to have Pamphilon delivering the “goods” in his possession.

    The beauty of it is, though, Goodell will never be able to destroy the audio, because it wikll always be available and many people have copies of it. This, I love, becasue I know it just eats at Goodell’s craw, and that’s a GOOD thing.

  51. This site is making a fool of itself with these anti-whistleblower postings. Heres a hint Mike, the guy who is dying who you seem so obsessed with protecting these days, is likely dying because of the bad hits he took playing the game. Just search Kevin Turner, formerly of the Patriots, or just search ALS and NFL and see what comes up. Wverything you are saying about Pamphilion has been said about every other whistle blower probably in history. “They are doing it for themselves”, “they dont have credibility”, man just give it a rest. It doesnt matter how the tape got out, or who released it, what matters is what is on the tape. What is on the tape is a disgusting diatribe by a disgusting man who should never coach sports at any level again.

  52. Whats funny is that all the criticisms in this article apply to goodell too.

    Knew about the problem but didnt do anything until it was time to generate publicity….sounds like the commish with the entire concussion process. Didnt say or do amything to help until it was obvious lawsuits were coming.

    This whole article reminds me of every peter king piece: a mouthpiece for supporting goodell.

  53. LOL. So because a man wants to make money on his own work, he’a a dirtbag. Wow! And now because of that, all the evidence the league had prior to the tape’s release goes right out the window! Kathysintheroom now at least concedes that MAYBE GW should be suspended after all. MAYBE. I have to believe there are reasonable Saints fans out there somewhere, so once again let’s review the facts:

    1. GW admits there was a bount program and apologizes for it.

    2. He take no action to appeal the suspension (hmmm).

    3. The evidence the league had did not include this audio sooooooo, no nothing really changes.

    4. When the Saints had the opportunity (and they had it 2 years ago), to do the right thing and get rid of the program, they lied and kept it going (sorry, Payton knew about. Period). So if the man knew about it and kept it going, how is he innocent?

    I know this will probably fall on deaf ears, but here’s to hoping there are some reasonable Saints fans out there.

  54. bottom line,greg williams words didnt magically make anyone get injured or crippled.and im sorry but if als was caused by football why dont i have it or everyone else that ever played football?gleason didnt play long enough or enough plays on punt return to get batterred enough to get als from real.greg williams isnt a warlock ,he didnt cast a spell over anyone to instantly be injured when his defense hit them.all nonsense.he couldve said before every game since his first day coaching to his last,and none of his words or commands or intent caused anyone an done with this nonsense now.

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