McNabb: Philly is finding out that getting to the playoffs isn’t easy

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In 11 seasons with the Eagles, Donovan McNabb reached the playoffs eight times, the NFC Championship Game five times and the Super Bowl once. But McNabb never won a Super Bowl, and he was eventually traded away and was largely looked down upon by Philadelphia fans when he left.

But McNabb suspects that now that the fans in Philadelphia have had some time to think about what the team accomplished in his time there, that era in Eagles history doesn’t look so bad.

“Making it to the NFC Championship is not easy, and I think they’re starting to see that right now, that getting to the playoffs and going to the NFC Championship consistently, it’s just not that easy,” McNabb said on Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia. “There are teams right now who have winning records, like the Atlanta Falcons, they’ve done it for so many years, and they get to the playoffs and all of a sudden they’re one-and-done.”

McNabb says it’s foolish to judge a quarterback harshly just because he never won a Super Bowl.

“Myself, Dan Marino, there are a lot of quarterbacks who have gotten to that point and just haven’t been able to bring it home,” he said. “People want to make it look like you have nothing to show for it. Well we have a lot to show for it.”

And as McNabb’s coach in Philadelphia, Andy Reid, prepares to coach the Eagles for the last time on Sunday, McNabb thinks Eagles fans should appreciate Reid as a great coach.

“You look at everything he’s been able to accomplish, I think it outweighs what you’ve seen the last two years,” McNabb said.

In any event, there’s no doubt that Eagles fans would take the results of the McNabb years over the results of the last two years.

156 responses to “McNabb: Philly is finding out that getting to the playoffs isn’t easy

  1. McNabb finally making sense if they continue listening to the fans and media and fire Reid they will be making a huge mistake

  2. Of course us fans would take the results of the McNabb years over these past two seasons. The problem with McNabb getting no love from the fans is his personality. His schtick when he was a player and now his post-retirement need to pat himself on the back.

    If he is trying to make a case that the reason they aren’t making the playoffs is because he’s not there, thats short sighted as the coaching has been a problem from his time there to today. The team got smaller and smaller and over matched as each year has passed on. The window closed and its time to rebuild.

  3. Best QB in Philly history,,,it was time for him to go but its a shame if the Philly fans look down on him. Good QB, classy guy. He had them in tourney every year. As a fan thats all you can (or should) ask for…

  4. Well McNabb we got stuck with Vick when you left. You know the dumb QB that can’t read defenses, audible his WR’s, or command the oline. So yeah McNabb’s tenture here does seem glorious compared to that. But McNabb don’t pat yourself on the back here. You maybe a good QB but not a great QB. Great QB’s win the SB not just once but multiple times.

  5. The Bills made the Superbowl 4 years in a row, that’ll never happen again. The only reason they lost was a long-era of NFC having all the major talent.

  6. Did mcnabb just make a realtively sane argument? (Outside of mentioning him and marino is the same sentence, but nobodys perfect.)

  7. He is right. Philly is home to the most fairweather fans in the nation. I am an Eagles season ticket holder and look back with pride about what those teams accomplished, even if there was no SB win. This town is also extremely racist. Some fans would rather lose with a white QB than win with a black QB. Truth.

  8. Ask fans of the Raiders, Browns, Jags, Redskins, Bills amd untill recently Bengals and Lions how hard it is to win in this league and how hard it is to get to 0.500, let alone make the Playoffs, NFC/AFC championships or SuperBowls.
    Ask Charger fans how do they feel now about LT and Marty’s era.

    I’m a Redskins fan by the way and no, I was too young to even enjoy the 1991/1992 championship.
    Super Bowl…Super Bowl HAHAHAHAHA. It’s just a foreign concept.

  9. You Philly fans are a class act. You booed the guy from the moment he was drafted and never stopped booing him. He’s not a Hall of Famer, but he was a good quarterback that repeatedly helped take your team to the Show. I’d hate on you morons if I was him too. You deserve what you’re getting now…karma. Good luck to you, ha ha ha ha ha

  10. Serves Philly fans right. They practically chased McNabb out of town with pitchforks after he did nothing but take them to the playoffs year after year.

  11. He still doesn’t seem to get that he was just along for the ride. Every time he opens his mouth it’s something that shows he still doesn’t get it.

  12. McNabb comparing himself to Marino. Hilarious. He’s exposed himself in the last few years as a delusional egomaniac. He probably thinks he’s getting in the Hall of Fame too.

  13. The only time Donovan McNabb and Dan Marino should be mentioned in the same sentence is “Donovan McNabb drove Dan Marino to the airport and unloaded his bags at the curb.”

  14. I said when they went with Vick as their starter, that would be the nail in Reid’s coffin. I said at the beginning of the season that Reid and Vick would be gone after this year. It’s so great being right!

  15. McNabb is finding out that a career is primarily judged on championships.

    not division chamionships,
    Superbowl championships.

    He had four opportunities to get us there.
    With the one shot Mcnabb had,,, he puked on his feet in the final drive cause he couldnt hack it…

  16. you guys are just as bad as the media. taking what a player says out of context. he didnt compare himself with dan marino he just said their are great players that made the playoffs consistently and never won a SB, and I do believe mcnabb falls into that category. philly fans are just stupid and dont appreciate what they have until its gone

  17. Well for all you lovers of QB rating…Dan Marino and Mcnabb have virtually the same number career wise….but Mcnabb has a better playoff QB rating and a much better won lost record…so ya he belongs in same sentence!

  18. Here goes McNabb whining. I knew it was just a matter of time before he started running his mouth. He was an average QB at best. He had the ball and 2 minutes in the Super Bowl and should have drove his team down and scored and won. You know, like Eli has done, like Brady has done. But instead, McNabb was so scared he was vomiting in the huddle and couldn’t even repeat the play he got threw his helmet to his teammates. I watched the whole thing unfold. I learned right then why McNabb didn’t have a championship and more importantly why he would NEVER win one. He just ain’t cut out for the pressure one is under in those stressful situations. I’m so glad i’m not an Eagles fan. Eagles fans deserved better. The city of Philadelphia deserves better. And what’s up with him comparing himself to Dan Marino? McNabb ain’t even a pimple on Dan Marino’s bottom. Geaux Saints!

  19. HAHAHAHAHAHA love it!

    Once again McNabb shows that his haters are fools. Best QB ever in Philly no matter if you judge by stats or wins, and he knows it. Oh, and for all the idiots who think he was replaced by Vick, he wasn’t. He was replaced by Kevin Kolb. How did that work out????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Vick replaced Kolb, idiots.

    As a Philly fan, it’s sad to say there are so many other great players that this town hates on because there are a lot of whiny fools. HAHAHAHAHA

  20. Phily fans to Mc Nabb: “don’t toot your own horn honey, you weren’t that good.”

    Mc Nabb answer: “OH Yeah! Vick’s been better?”

    This says it all! I as an Eagle fan would take a 50% Donovan over 110% of Vick anyday. 50% Cunningham as well. Donovan is right!

  21. Nothing like non Philly fans telling Philly fans what they thought of Mcnabb haha. Mcnabb is the guy that said a red told him there was a second overtime when they tied the bengals. He is the guy who grew the offensive line under the bus after one of those NFC championships. This is the guy that said he is a hall of gamer and equal to Marino. This is the guy that would make mistakes and laugh about it and pound his chest. He never once took the blame, never once showed emotion or heart, and never once won the big one. Sorry Philly didn’t want mediocre Mcnabb and when he left were told how stupid we were….. Till he played. Now we want Reid gone because he has made the same mistakes 14 years and refuses to change. But I guess Philly should be satisfied with being “good” but not great. Everyone loves being second place. If you can’t get it done get out, it’s been 50 years were tired of watching teams fail. We want winners. If that’s wrong then I’m glad everyone on here isn’t eagles fans and can just be happy bring good.

  22. ….there’s no doubt that Eagles fans would take the results of the McNabb years over the results of the last two years.

    —–

    Are you sure about that? They are Eagle fans.

    These are the same people who think the defense “covered up” McNabb’s flaws to win all of those games and think Nick Foles is an NFL starting QB.

  23. “bobonmycob says:
    Dec 28, 2012 11:29 AM
    Well McNabb we got stuck with Vick when you left. You know the dumb QB that can’t read defenses, audible his WR’s, or command the oline. So yeah McNabb’s tenture here does seem glorious compared to that. But McNabb don’t pat yourself on the back here. You maybe a good QB but not a great QB. Great QB’s win the SB not just once but multiple times.”

    So Drew Brees, Rodgers, (P) Manning aren’t great QB’s?

    Sound logic there

  24. Donovan, the only way you should be comparing yourself to Marino is when talking about initials of D.M. Or lame commercials….

  25. I’ve always thought it was ridiculous to put blame on a QB for not reaching the Super Bowl. Football is a TEAM sport, the QB is on offense, not defense or Special Teams.

  26. awww Shiiittt.. MCnabb not throwin dirt on shanahan and the redskins for once… lls not only is he salty bout his time in WSH, but now he’s salty bout his time in PHI?? lmao now u decide to be more vocal huh

  27. You can change one or two bounce of the ball plays at one point during season and change the eventual superbowl champion . Random circumstantial luck plays a huge role in determinng the one “champion” outa 32 teams.

  28. Philly fans didn’t chase Mcnabb away he was done and the coach knew it. That’s why he pulled a slight of hand and sent him in division. Nobody sends a player to a team you see twice a year unless they feel he is a nonfactor. McMansions still salty over the way things ended but really he lost his job to Gross Rex and a QB that averages less ypathan his RB averages per carry. Stay classy Mcnabb but you were always a good “company man” and the company gave you the ax. If he were a ex girl I think a restraining order would be issued.

  29. “Myself, Dan Marino, there are a lot of quarterbacks who have gotten to that point …”
    _______________________

    Comparing himself to Dan Marino? This shmuck couldn’t carry Marino’s jockstrap.

  30. Those Philly teams of the early 2000s were fun to watch. McNabb, Westbrook, Runyan, Thomas, Dawkins, Trotter, Burgess, Pinkston, Mitchell, etc.

    Then it went downhill after Terrell Owens…

  31. Once again McNabb compares himself with a great QB – Marino. Just last week it was Peyton Manning and Elway… Someone please tell Donovan that while he is a good guy, and was a good QB, he is never getting into the HOF no matter how many times he compares himself to legit HOF caliber QBs. Either Marino, Manning, or Elway would have won at least one Super Bowl, if not more, with the Eagles teams McNabb played on.

  32. McNabb is right – but that won’t stop jealous fans from asserting that Tom Brady’s post Spygate record of the best regular season record and 2 Super Bowl appearances is “proof” that he can’t win without “cheating”

  33. He was not looked down upon when he left. He was at the end of his career. He wasn’t the best option at QB. Simple as that. Everyone recognizes him as the best Eagles QB ever.

    Yeah, it’s not easy to make it to the playoffs. It was even harder for him to score points at home in NFC Championship games when they’re the favored team…. 13. That’s how many they scored combined vs TB and Carolina. 1 TD. And they were completely handled by Arizona for the first half. But I guess I can always look at the 3rd place trophies they have on display at the Linc. Oh, wait, there’s no reward for 3rd place?

  34. “rajbais says:
    Dec 28, 2012 11:24 AM
    Shut up fool!!!

    Stop throwing cheap shots at a city that never hated you!!!”

    Please. They hated him (and booed him) the second he was drafted!

  35. McNabb speaks the truth, but like always, doesn’t speak it very well.

    The fans wanted him out so they could go to the franchise quarterback tree and simply pick another franchise QB.

    The Eagles have started four quarterbacks in the three years since McNabb was traded… back to the tree!

  36. realfootballfan says:
    Dec 28, 2012 12:01 PM
    ….there’s no doubt that Eagles fans would take the results of the McNabb years over the results of the last two years.

    —–

    Are you sure about that? They are Eagle fans.

    These are the same people who think the defense “covered up” McNabb’s flaws to win all of those games and think Nick Foles is an NFL starting QB.

    —————

    If you dont think Jim Johnson was responsible for 80% of the Eagles success of the 00’s, you know absolutely nothing about football, and even less about the Eagles.

  37. So what do you have to show for it Mcnabb? No one remembers who almost won, it’s about the Superbowl, not who almost gets to the Superbowl, or who makes it and loses. I wish Mcnabb would shut up

  38. fm31970 says:
    Dec 28, 2012 12:16 PM
    Please. They hated him (and booed him) the second he was drafted!

    ———————–

    Whether you acknowledge it or not, 30 idiot fans at the draft (from a gimmick radio show) do not represent even a small percentage of Eagles fans. Many many more were rejoicing that we went QB than RB. Many. You are just to dense to let that sink through your skull.

  39. Agree 100%. McNabb/Reid should be appreciated for what they have been able to accomplish. A lot took winning for granted as it was just “expected to happen”.

    Reid is a great coach.

  40. my team went 15 – 1 last year – wound up with no Conference Championship appearance… heck, we were blown out at home – with probably the best QB in the league ….

    I can’t even imagine how cool it’d be to go to the Conference title game 4 years in a row …. that consistency in this day and age is …. idk – something I guess …. idk, my team won a superbowl as a 6th seed, maybe if McNabb’s Eagles had a little more luck – a few things go their way – He’d have a championship to his resume…. blah

  41. you dont play the game to be average, you play to win titles.

    Donovan never got one, Reid will never get one.

    a true competitor wants it all… never settle for mediocrity..

  42. “Myself, Dan Marino, there are a lot of quarterbacks who have gotten to that point and just haven’t been able to bring it home,” he said. “People want to make it look like you have nothing to show for it. Well we have a lot to show for it.”

    Strange.
    One difference between the two is that Marino doesn’t Constantly Whine.
    I miss McNabb.
    I enjoyed his many sacks.

  43. Man, you people need to calm down. No where in that article did he compare himself to Marino. All he said was that there have been good/great QB’s that haven’t won a Super Bowl. I would hope that Donny, who’s numbers are almost HALF of what Marino’s are with only four less years of playing, would compare himself to someone like Jim Kelly, who’s numbers are almost the same as his. Now, if wants to compare teams, that’s a whole different story..

  44. Dude mcnabb always got the short end of the stick, I remember they were booing him in the NFC championship game, hell they booed Santa…….its a tough crowd in philly.

  45. “But McNabb never won a Super Bowl, and he was eventually traded away and was largely looked down upon by Philadelphia fans when he left.”

    Why are you phrasing this is a way that makes it sound like Philadelphia Fans had NO reason to want to move on from McNabb?

    Truth is that he just could not win the big games.
    1 out of 5 in the NFC Championship games, where his team was FAVORED IN 4 OF THEM.

    0 and 1 in SuperBowls. And in his only superbowl appearance he actually choked on his own vomit.

    Everyone in PHilly realized he just did not have it in him to win the big games. How did he do in Washington and Minnesota?

  46. As a lifelong Eagles fan, I would certainly like to have the Defense of the McNabb era back for the last two years…..yikes!

  47. Give it up McNabb. Get over you problems with Philly. No one ever has the last word. You got pushed out, that’s life. McNabb is a smart guy with valid opinions but this act is old and tired. Only .01% of NFL careers (Elway) end exactly like the players wants.

  48. I love this revisionist history we keep hearing from both the national media AND some former players.

    To the first point, which relates to McNabb, much of Philly appreciated and respected what he AND the team accomplished. You can’t take away 4 NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl appearance. You can also easily make the argument that had McNabb had better weapons, we may actually have a Super Bowl victory out of all that. McNabb’s prime was wasted on the likes of James Thrash, Torrence Small, and whatever other garbage Reid passed off as a starting receiver those days.

    On the flip side, they played extremely poorly in 2 of the 4 NFC Championship appearances. Many would I think rightfully argue that they choked in some of the bigger games. Not just McNabb, but collectively as a team. As for McNabb himself, he was a very good QB who also had his shortcomings, not the least of which being inaccuracy and a penchant for either drilling a guy 5 yards out, or passing to the turf every other throw.

    As for appreciating Reid, many in Philadelphia do. He was highly consistent and successful from 99 through 2004. The problem is, they have been on a steady and consistent decline since 2005. People want to talk about the last two years like this just started. That is SO not the case. They have had only two seasons since 04′ where the season was on a steady decline until (1) Garcia stepped in and turned the season around and (2) Vick stepped in and had unbelievable success for 10 games. If these two guys hadn’t stepped in and had the seasons they had, then the record in the last 7 years would have been significantly worse.

    I like Reid and I like McNabb. I respect and appreciate what they brought to the table. But all things run their course, and for good or bad, its time to start a new.

  49. Yup, because you really showed Philly when you played for Washington and Minnesota. Dude, you got benched in favor of Rex Grossmann and Christian Ponder. they’re still filling divot holes from all the dirt balls you threw…

  50. thats why philly doesn’t like you mcnabb, stop bragging about yourself when you didnt win a championship.

    and i doubt anyone in the league would put you in the same class as dan marino.

  51. Jim Johnson’s defense was the reason was so good and consistent from 2000 – 2004. Mcnabb’s single best offensive year was in 2004 with T.O. and westbrook in his breakout year.
    Also Mcnabb had a great and consistent O-line during that span..

    Mcnabb was a very good QB, he and Andy Reid could not get us over the hump and to win a superbowl… That is where the frustration was..

    We had great teams, but the coach / qb tandem could not win the prize we were all after…

    Of course i would take those 5 years versus the last 5 years. But just because these last 5 years have been horrible.. is not because we don’t have Mcnabb.. Mcnabb in his prime wouldn’t have made these past 5 years better.. Our defense has been crap since JJ passed. Our offensive line has been horrible. Mcnabb of 2004, wouldn’t have gotten us to the playoffs or deep into the playoffs the last 5 years…

    Also to finally put this to rest since people are still ignorant on the subject.. Eagle fans did not boo Mcnabb on draft day.. The eagle fans wanted a franchise running back with the 2nd pick in the draft. The impression was that with a strong running game and a great defense, championships will come..

    Obvisously no one knew that Andy reid would rather pass 65% of the time.. that is why we never won…

  52. Why are commenters ripping McNabb for referencing Marino? He didn’t say they were on the same level. He just gave Marino as proof that failure to win a Superbowl doesn’t mean the QB sucks. If McNabb’s personality is really as bad as everyone says (maybe it is, I really don’t have a strong enough opinion on that), then nobody should need to take his words out of context to prove it.

    And I agree that winning a Superbowl isn’t everything. Having your favorite team be competitive year in and year out is fun in itself, even if they don’t get to win it all.

  53. It’s always easy to say what you would do or how to play from the couch. I was always a McNabb fan, and he never got the just do respect from wacky Eagles fans. You get what you deserve Philly. So I guess Foles is the New hero in town? All the ass clowns with the cheap shots at McNabb, you know and I know you could not complete a single pass if you played POP Warner football, so have a cheesesteak and walk into on coming traffic!!! lol…….E.A.D.

  54. I don’t particularly care about McNabb one way or the other, but his statement is sound.

    Criticizing him for saying what he said is simply babyish.

    His point is valid. It ISN’T easy to have the success the team had while he was there. He may have IMPLIED it was due to him, but didn’t say it.

    Fans that expect success every single year are just delusional.

    How many teams keep having success without going through a down cycle or two? Very few. Any prolonged period of making it to the NFC Championship in today’s day and age of Free agency is nothing short of spectacular IMHO….

  55. nice to see mcnabb take another jab at them

    this guy cant go away quietly dude let it go
    u werent man enough to stand up for urself while u where on eagles all those yrs n then when redskins played u now u wanna talk like pls dude

  56. McNabb is right on point with his comments. You don’t miss a good thing until its gone. You probably would have done more if they got you more offensive weapons like T>O

  57. hes right.. as a NYG fan watching him beat us multiple times ive said it the last two years..philly fans are going to regret running mcnabb out of philly like this. he was phillys best player ever 5 championships 1 SB appearance..

    philly fans ran out mcnabb just like there doing ried now (2 great pieces for that franchise)..as well as personally demanded vick be brought in.. now he failed and its rieds fault…

    i think philly fans should fire themselves.

  58. As a Redskin fan living the Philly area, the comment McNabb made is, as a whole, absolutely accurate. Philly absoutely didn’t know how good they had it and got spoiled by the success this team had for the better part of 10+ seasons.

    The fact it comes from McNabb and smacks of him self promoting himself is the problem.

  59. Giants fans are currently calling for the head of a head coach that won 2 Super Bowls within the time span of 4 years.

    The media’s reaction to this – “New Yorkers just have high expectations about their team. They’re passionate fans lol xD”

    Eagles fans want a coach that hasnt won anything in over a decade gone

    The media’s reaction to this – “Those ungrateful Philly fans!!!! That city doesnt deserve him!!!!”

    Bye Andy. I would rather lose with a new, fresh face then lose with you. It’s been 14 years and you are still making the same mistakes. Go be a “great coach” somewhere else. Just like Donovan McNabb left here to go be a “great quarterback” somewhere else.

  60. Made 5 NFC championship games and was favored in 4 of them and only WON ONE OF THEM!! I rest my case. Facts are facts and all you other so called fan bases would feel exactly the same way if you were wearing our shoes.

  61. If Eagle fans think getting to the playoffs is hard without McNabb. Just wait until the Eagles fire Andy Reid. They’re going to be talking about the Andy Reid days like it was the glory years…”the good ole days.” Like us Raider fans do with Gruden.

  62. @liamj55: If you want to stick with “facts” I suggest you avoid basing your arguments on Vegas lines and instead go off the facts of his stats and his wins. Vegas lines are set up to tease gamblers, nothing more.

  63. I have been an eagles fan for over 40 years and can say with absolute certainty,that we have one of the most passionate,yet stupidest fan bases in all of football. This is a city that continues to revere Buddy Ryan who NEVER won a playoff game and Dick Vermeil who not only lost a Super Bowl,but got blown out by a team he was favored to beat! Donovan McNabb was by no means the Dolt people around here make him out to be.The guy was hands down The QB in this franchise’s history,yet Ron Jaworski still gets more Love in this City then him. It amazes me how they still sign the praises of Jim Johnson’s Defenses during The MCNabb Era,but that same Defense came up short in Big Game after Big Game,yet all you hear about is McNabb throwing up in the Super Bowl as if that had anything to do with It. How you equate throwing up with choking is beyond me,especially when it involves a guy who played on a broken ankle! This town loves to parrot whatever inane talking points the Talk Radio Idiots in this town spew as opposed to using their own brains.”Cunningham can’t read defenses” yet hid TD to INT ratio is one of the best in franchise history for ex. This town really needs to turn off the radio and LEARN the GAME!

  64. I understand why some people hate Michael Vick. I understand why they hate Rex Ryan. But for the life of me I just don’t get why Donovan McNabb is so hated.

    Seriously, the dude hasn’t killed dogs or taken steroids, or done anything that counts as some great sin against humanity. But every time he speaks, a legion of so-called ‘fans’ line up to spout hatred.

    It’s just weird. Are you people really that miserable?

  65. To the fool who said the eagles would rather lose with a qhite qb than win with a black one? You do realize the eagles stating qb position has been manned by a black man for 25 years correct? From Randell to mcnabb to vick. The white qbs are the ones getting no love if anything in phili. I mean yeah kolb sucks but so does Vicki and Vicki got 2 years before getting benched traded
    Kolb got a series

  66. @jd1734 You do know some of the smartest people in the world set those lines. It is not like they make them up out of thin air.

  67. For once McNabb is correct; it is extremely difficult to consistently make the playoffs & win playoff games in the free agency & strict salary cap era – the parity in today’s NFL is amazing. As a lifelong, diehard Giants fan I was in awe of how good the Eagles were year in, year out with McNabb & how they always seemed to have the G-Men’s number. However, for McNabb to compare himself to Dan Marino is another case of McNabb shamelessly engaging in self-promotion. McNabb may be the only person in the NFL who thinks he is worthy of the Hall of Fame & I can guarantee you that once his eligibility comes up, McNabb is going to engage an all-out, all about Donovan campaign to get in. McNabb should look at the backs of his & Marino’s cards; McNabb is only about an entire career worth of numbers behind Marino’s. He was a good QB, but he failed in the clutch. He also had a better team around him than Marino did. Once those weapons were gone, in Washington & Minnesota, you saw just how average McNabb really was.

  68. @11inthebox,

    Methinks you just simply aren’t annoyed by passive aggressiveness and martyr complexes. Those things drive me crazy. I actually don’t mind Rex Ryan most of the time(and I’m a Pats fan). HE says what’s on his mind, no finesse. McNabb and other P-A offenders try to finesse stuff so they look good, martyr themselves, but not in an obvious way. It’s dishonest AND manipulative and patronizing.

  69. footballbrah says: Dec 28, 2012 2:09 PM

    Giants fans are currently calling for the head of a head coach that won 2 Super Bowls within the time span of 4 years.

    ———

    Stop making up lies. Nowhere on this site, or any of the Giants specific sites out there do you see anyone other than a rogue idiot here or there clamoring for Coughlin’s firing. Keep the focus on the topic at hand.

  70. rockashar says:Dec 28, 2012 12:00 PM

    Well for all you lovers of QB rating…Dan Marino and Mcnabb have virtually the same number career wise….but Mcnabb has a better playoff QB rating and a much better won lost record…so ya he belongs in same sentence!

    ———————————-

    Passer ratings don’t compare across generations. Marino was in the top 10 12 times in his 16 qualifying seasons, McNabb 5 times in his 12 qualifying seasons. McNabb never finished above #4, Marino was in the top 3 four different times.

    I get where McNabb is coming from — his narcissism aside, he’s partially justified in being so bitter. But the reality is that the same ego that makes him a bit of a laughingstock now is the same ego that held himself and his team back for all those years.

  71. Perhaps the McNabb that was quality was already gone by the time he was shown the door. He didn’t light up the sky in Washington or Minnesota. He can’t assume if he’d have been around the last three years the Eagles would be any better. McNabb has lain a line against the Shanahan’s and about RGIII’s likely success in their hands, and that has worked out pretty well. Perhaps McNabb didn’t appreciate people who know how to work with talented people, the ingredients that were missing weren’t on their side.

    Phillie had success because of the WCO system and McNabb following the prescription of not turning the ball over. Vick was a turnover machine even though the Eagles were decent in yards gained and low yards given up. The Eagles are 2nd in yardage margin since McNabb left. They just keep turning the ball over. That’s something that didn’t happen when McNabb was in his prime. But, again, we’re talking about McNabb of the last two years, and it’s tough to throw INT’s when you’re drilling the ball into the ground.

  72. Dear Donovan,

    Do you really think we fans in Philadelphia didn’t know that it was hard to make the playoffs? Do you think we didn’t live through the Buddy Ryan, Rich Kotite, and Ray Rhodes eras where the team went 2 -6 in the playoffs? Fans older than I went through even worse.

    The Eagles made only 6 playoff appearances in those 14 years. Under Reid, they’ve made the playoffs 9 times out of 14 years. Yes, it’s hard to make the playoffs and yes, Reid is the greatest coach in Eagles history.

    However, the Eagles haven’t WON a playoff game since 2008. That’s a long time in the NFL these days and this 4-12 or 5 – 11 season (following an 8-8) with all of the recent dysfunction is definitely enough to get the coach fired.

    We get it, Don. You’re statistically the greatest QB in Eagles history and you played during the team’s greatest era. I’m glad you’re able to tell everyone “I told you so” at this point. But remember, you flamed out terribly after the Eagles traded you. Your run was over when you busted out the air guitar before the 2009 playoff game against Dallas. Get over it and move on.

    Regards,

    Eagles Fan

  73. @liamj55: You are contradicting yourself. If you think McNabb was such a bad QB and that these people are so smart, why would he be favored all those times?

    The bottom line is that those lines are set for gamblers. They adjust lines to entice more betters.

    If you judge McNabb based on how many games he won and his stats you’ll se that he was indeed very good if not great. He may not have won you any money, but that’s on you.

  74. @ CKL who says:Dec 28, 2012 3:35 PM
    @11inthebox,

    Methinks you just simply aren’t annoyed by passive aggressiveness and martyr complexes. Those things drive me crazy. I actually don’t mind Rex Ryan most of the time(and I’m a Pats fan). HE says what’s on his mind, no finesse. McNabb and other P-A offenders try to finesse stuff so they look good, martyr themselves, but not in an obvious way. It’s dishonest AND manipulative and patronizing.
    ——————————————–
    So you’re saying that folks of your ilk would absolutely looove McNabb is he was more like, I dont know.. Terrell Owens? Because we all know how much you looove some T.O.

    Kudos for your use of “martyr” complex, but it’s completely misused in this case.

    What you lazily call “passive aggressive”and “manipulative” is actually nothing of the sort. It’s your perception of the man that leads to those descriptors.

    I suppose everyone should be “simple” and “honest” –easily dissected, right? But you already have guys like Lomas Brown and Rob Parker for that.

    Oh yeah, people hate them, too…

  75. This idiot thinks that Eagles fans just became Eagles fans in the last 13 or 14 years?

    There’s fans that have been fans for longer than he’s been alive.

  76. For a time he was an elite Quarterback that carried an otherwise mediocre offense on his back. Really put up some great stats before passing stats become inflated. Unfortunately Reid’s head has been elsewhere and he understandably phoned this season in.

  77. Mcnabb did not have a single decent receiver & got them to the NFC championship game – or the Final 4, 5 years in a row & finally got them to the Super Bowl, once they got him TO.

    That guy would have started for 32 teams & while I am a Chiefs fan. I loved watching that guy play and would have given my left nut, to get that guy to the Chiefs.

    Kiladelphia fans are idiots.

    They companied and cried about Kobb, until Andy was forced to put in Vick, cause Eagle fan wanted Vick to be the QB, even though he sucked at QB.

    Andy KNEW he sucked and Andy played the guy who he knew was better – Kobb.

    Then when Kobb was replaced with Vick, and people started whining again. Andy looked at them and never lost his cool. But he laughed to himself about their whining FOR vick and then getting EXACTLY what they asked for.

    Andy take a Year off
    We could use a Master QB Guru, now more than ever.

    Andy has made every single decent QB look like a Hall of Famer. But, his best trick was making Vick look like a somewhat decent QB and should be named Coach of the Year for pulling that one off – because Vick is the crappiest QB this side of
    Matt Cassell

  78. What did you expect was going to happen? McNabb isn’t going to out right give you the middle finger in a room full of people. No, he’s going to make post it notes with the middle finger on it, and put them in obscure locations like the ceiling of your room for when you wake up.

    He’s always been passive-aggressive, so this outcome was to be expected after all the harsh “love” from Philadelphia. I know I was waiting for it with a huge smile.

  79. @jd1734 I am not contradicting anything. He had what was viewed as the better team four times and he only got it done once. It is what makes him Good and not Great. Look at the teams that beat them: Rams, Tampa Bay, Carolina & Arizona. The Rams were the only team that was head and shoulders better. 3 of those games were at home too!!! Great players rise to the occasion on the biggest stage.

  80. @liamj55: You can’t use Vegas lines to support a player’s ability. You also just can’t make generalizations. I can at least agree that he didn’t play as well as we know he could have in the TB and Carolina games, but the fact that he even got those teams there without good receivers is an accomplishment in itself. In the AZ game he had a late lead that the defense surrendered in the final minutes. Can’t really point the finger there.

    I understand that he never won the bowl and that he’s ultimately held accountable for that, and that’s fine. But, yes, there’s a comparison top Marino in that Marino never won one and never really came close after his rookie season, but Miami pretty much seems to have always respected him. McNabb’s numbers don’t match up to his, but they do pretty match up to Jim Kelly’s, who again never won one over many years in the same town, but is seen as an icon regardless.

    I think what I’m really trying to say is, if you have to go to Vegas lines as an argument against a player, you’re simply digging way too deep and getting too carried away. It’s irrelevant.

  81. PHX 9069 eaglesw00t,

    Well, I must be a rocket scientist next to you on football because I’ve never seen a defense carry a team to division title after division title and championship games over a 10 year span. That Eagle defense must have been the ’85 Bears, or maybe you’re just an idiot like most Eagle fans who are more interested in slighting McNabb (even when he’s right like now) rather than realize the long dark extended stay your favorite team has ahead of it in the cellar once your best coach follows your best QB out of your franchise so you can get back to being the NFL punchline that you were before they got to town in ’99.

    Btw, if that theory held true, what happened to the Ravens under Billick? That defense was head and shoulders better than the Eagles the entirety of Jim Johnson’s tenure. They should have been in the playoffs and at minimum, championship games every year, winning 90% of their games regardless of who was QB or whether he had receivers or not.

  82. Try talking Football with some of the folks in this town and see just how off the wall they are in their analysis. Some of the stuff that comes out of their mouths is mind blowing!

  83. Did McMeal just compare himself to Dan Marino? Yes, they both lost a Super Bowl. BUT, bo one ran Dan out of Miami. Philly couldn’t get rid of McRib fast enough. Fans, coaches, and it seems the front office all wanted to get rid of Chunky Soup.

  84. McNabb may not have been same caliber as Marino, but he was in that “upper” league type of QB. I think that is really what he meant, and people are adding to his statement as if he compared himself to being as good as Marino.

    There is nothing wrong with what he said. You have to remember many times things like this are said casually – and then a reporter blows it up. Its not like this was said at a press conference as something he wanted to shout to the world.

    Everyone needs to keep perspective.

  85. All of you people who don’t live in philly and watch EVERY game really don’t know. Mcnabb was good but he FAILED in the biggest games he ever played in and is passive aggressive comments were annoying as hell

  86. BED MAN OKC says:
    Dec 28, 2012 4:37 PM
    Mcnabb did not have a single decent receiver & got them to the NFC championship game – or the Final 4, 5 years in a row & finally got them to the Super Bowl, once they got him TO.

    That guy would have started for 32 teams & while I am a Chiefs fan. I loved watching that guy play and would have given my left nut, to get that guy to the Chiefs.

    Kiladelphia fans are idiots.

    They companied and cried about Kobb, until Andy was forced to put in Vick, cause Eagle fan wanted Vick to be the QB, even though he sucked at QB.

    Andy KNEW he sucked and Andy played the guy who he knew was better – Kobb.

    Then when Kobb was replaced with Vick, and people started whining again. Andy looked at them and never lost his cool. But he laughed to himself about their whining FOR vick and then getting EXACTLY what they asked for.

    Andy take a Year off
    We could use a Master QB Guru, now more than ever.

    Andy has made every single decent QB look like a Hall of Famer. But, his best trick was making Vick look like a somewhat decent QB and should be named Coach of the Year for pulling that one off – because Vick is the crappiest QB this side of
    Matt Cassell

    It is stunning just how ignorant you are about Andy Reid. If you followed the team during his tenure you would know he never, EVER, listens to the fan base, for better or worse. That is why it is just ridiculous to claim that the Philly fans ran him out of town. Reid and Reid alone decided he was so washed up he would trade him within the division. By the way, if Eagles fans get the blame for all the failures of the team, then I guess they get all the credit for those 5 NFC title games, too, right? Sounds ridiculous when you put it that way, but it would be saying the same thing.

  87. “Your run was over when you busted out the air guitar before the 2009 playoff game against Dallas”

    I am just as tired of my fellow fans making air guitar statements as everyone here in Philly gets over Santa Claus statements. Let the air guitar thing go…it’s petty.

    “All of you people who don’t live in philly and watch EVERY game really don’t know. Mcnabb was good but he FAILED in the biggest games he ever played in and is passive aggressive comments were annoying as hell”

    I have lived & died with this team since 1977. McNabb was the greatest QB in Eagle history. As good as our defense was in the early 2000’s, Donovan was a big part with no-talents like Pinkston & Freddie Mitchell why we were winning every year, going deep into the playoffs. As soon as he had a big time receiver, they went to the show. Marino failed in his only SB appearance as well. And Marino had Clayton & Duper. Did Donovan ever have 2 WR’s the class of the Mark’s brothers? And he didn’t compare himself to Marino, he made a comparison in regards to them sharing a fact. Neither one won a SB, that was it.

    As for his passive/aggressive comments”, much of that was the way he was treated here. After the TO incident, I heard many many fellow fans trash McNabb any chance they got. McNabb has never gotten the credit he deserves for what he accomplished here.

    Buddy Ryan & Vick are revered here, neither one of them did anywhere near what Reid & McNabb did for this team. You guys are riiiidiculous, if you guys wanna keep bringing up catty sh*t like the air guitar, McNabb has a right to gloat a little.

  88. “Andy has made every single decent QB look like a Hall of Famer.”

    Being a fan of the chiefs has apparently skewed your perspective. Especially so regarding Vick. 64 combined TD’s against 29 INTs and 31 fumbles and an 18-15 record as a starter does not look “decent” to anybody but you.

  89. Many posts here prove just how RIGHT McNabb is. Truth hurts but some Philly fans still in denial.

  90. McNabb and Marino in the same sentence, Marino threw to Duper and Clayton and had a hall of fame career, McNabb threw to rye and Kentucky blue grass and his career is the hall of shame. I once witnessed McNabb deny a young child an autograph, that’s WRONG, now please SHUT UP and go away

  91. I’m sorry…did McRib just compare himself to a HOF QB? The only thing they have in common is they both failed to win a Super Bowl. That’s it. If you would like to be enshrined for throwing passes consistently at the feet of your receivers, then by all means apply. We are well past the point of moving on, which is what he needs to do…clearly.

  92. So you’re called flybirdhaters27 and just happen to take a Donovan McNabb statement out of context.

    Didn’t see that one coming. /sarcasm

  93. These people who bash Philly fans for not treating McNabb like the second coming have no idea what they’re talking about. “Oh, but McNabb led his team to 5 NFC championships.” Umm, no he didn’t. Jeff Garcia led them to the NFC championship game in 2006. You can give McNabb half the credit for making the 2002 championship game, since he returned for the playoffs after missing the final 6 games of the regular season, and it was Jay Feeley who led the team to a 5-1 record to close out the year. Yes, that’s right. The Eagles didn’t miss a beat when Jay Feeley and Jeff Garcia played in McNabb’s place. The Colts, on the other hand, went from Super Bowl contender to 1-15 overnight when their QB (a truly great one) went down to injury. The Pats went from 18-1 to missing the playoffs without Brady. So instead of patting himself on the back, playing the victim, and comparing himself to Dan Marino (LOL!), he should take a moment to thank Jeff Garcia and Jay Feeley, as well as Jim Johnson (the true engine behind the Eagles’ success in the 2000′s) and Andy Reid for his ability to make any QB look like a Pro Bowler. Yes, even you Donovan. Apparently all these Philly haters completely forgot about the fact that in Washington and Minnesota, McNabb was one of the 3 or 4 worst starting QBs in the NFL after leaving Andy’s system (and that may be putting it kindly). Apparently, they have no idea what leadership is, or they just don’t think it’s important for a QB to possess. Apparently, clock management is not a skill that pro QB’s need. Apparently, they think that getting nervous and puking during the most important drive of your career, and in the process blowing your team’s chance to win a Super Bowl, is just not that big of a deal. Apparently, they don’t recall that the rest of the NFC East was column fodder during that time. Apparently, they forget that it was Mike Shanahan, not Philly fans, who determined that McNabb was unfit to play QB because he was lazy, out of shape, not competitive enough, and felt entitled. I could go on, but why argue with uninformed people who have already made up their mind? Ignorance is bliss, so if it’s important for your peace of mind that McNabb was more Dan Marino than Jeff Garcia, then by all means, go for it. But at least save your completely baseless criticism of Philly fans to yourself.

  94. These people who bash Philly fans for not treating McNabb like the second coming have no idea what they’re talking about. “Oh, but McNabb led his team to 5 NFC championships.” Umm, no he didn’t. Jeff Garcia led them to the NFC championship game in 2006. You can give McNabb half the credit for making the 2002 championship game, since he returned for the playoffs after missing the final 6 games of the regular season, and it was Jay Feeley who led the team to a 5-1 record to close out the year. Yes, that’s right. The Eagles didn’t miss a beat when Jay Feeley and Jeff Garcia played in McNabb’s place. The Colts, on the other hand, went from Super Bowl contender to 1-15 overnight when their QB (a truly great one) went down to injury. The Pats went from 18-1 to missing the playoffs without Brady. So instead of patting himself on the back, playing the victim, and comparing himself to Dan Marino (LOL!), he should take a moment to thank Jeff Garcia and Jay Feeley, as well as Jim Johnson (the true engine behind the Eagles’ success in the 2000′s) and Andy Reid for his ability to make any QB look like a Pro Bowler. Yes, even you Donovan. Apparently all these Philly haters completely forgot about the fact that in Washington and Minnesota, McNabb was one of the 3 or 4 worst starting QBs in the NFL after leaving Andy’s system (and that may be putting it kindly). Apparently, they have no idea what leadership is, or they just don’t think it’s important for a QB to possess. Apparently, clock management is not a skill that pro QB’s need. Apparently, they think that getting nervous and puking during the most important drive of your career, and in the process blowing your team’s chance to win a Super Bowl, is just not that big of a deal. Apparently, they don’t recall that the rest of the NFC East was column fodder during that time. Apparently, they forget that it was Mike Shanahan, not Philly fans, who determined that McNabb was unfit to play QB because he was lazy, out of shape, not competitive enough, and felt entitled. I could go on, but why argue with uninformed people who have already made up their mind? Ignorance is bliss, so if it’s important for your peace of mind that McNabb was more Dan Marino than Jeff Garcia, then by all means, go for it. But at least save your completely baseless criticism of Philly fans to yourself.

  95. Philly fans want one thing above all in their players: HEART. Only some knucklehead living in flyover country who never watched the Eagles week in and week out would have trouble understanding that. Sadly, there are a LOT of those folks out there. You’d think that McNabb’s utter failure in Washington and Minnesota would have taught these people something, but not so. Maybe they would learn when one of the great offensive coaches of all time (Shanahan) dumped McNabb for being fat, lazy, and uncompetitive, but again not so. Maybe they’d learn when he couldn’t beat out Tarvaris Jackson for a job that was handed to him on a silver platter – nope. No, it’s us Philly fans who are deluded. SMH

  96. I’m starting to realize the Eagles in the McNabb era beat up on a NFC East division that had Quincy Carter and an old Drew Bledsoe qb’ing the Cowboys… You had Kerry Collins as qb in NY Giants… You had Jeff George as a qb in Washington and about 10 other qb’s in that time frame… the NFC East was down… and the NFC was down too…the Packers weren’t great like they were in the mid to late 90’s… the 49ers were terrible…. Now the NFC has come back.. Atlanta, NY Giants, Redskins, Packers, 49ers, Bears, Seahawks… the last few years since the NFC has come back Andy Reid suddenly doesn’t look so hot. And regarding McNabb…he’s such an annoying punk he doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Dan Marino, he doesn’t even belong in the same sentence as Jim Kelly either. He was a pretty good qb that wasn’t clutch and wasn’t accurate and he whined more than anyone in the history of the NFL.

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