Texans hold players-only meeting

AP

In the wake of a meltdown on Sunday in a game that the Texans should have won against Seattle, members of the 2-2 team conducted a players-only meeting.

The speakers at the players-only meeting included the only player fans are blaming for the loss:  quarterback Matt Schaub.

“I just want to clear it up,” safety Danieal Manning told Yahoo! Sports Radio 1560 in Houston, via ESPN.com.  “Matt, we’re riding behind him 100 percent.  I don’t think anyone — of course we were all pissed off about plays, everybody’s like that.  DBs make mistakes, you want the whole team to be upset, even the player that made the mistake, you should say something.  Matt has been a man about this whole time.  He told us how he felt, what’s going to change, what needs to change. . . .  On the defensive side players stepping up saying things.  I believe at this point today we really have a change in the way that we’re going to approach the next game.”

Other speakers included, according to Manning, safety Ed Reed, defensive end Antonio Smith, and receiver Andre Johnson.

From Schaub’s perspective, it would be great to know specifically what he said regarding “what’s going to change, what needs to change.”  Did he say he’ll stop being more cognizant of the rush and, at times, apparently unwilling to take a hit?  Did he say he’ll stand up to coach Gary Kubiak the next time Schaub is in a position where he knows the wrong play has been called but he (according to Kubiak) doesn’t have the power to change it?

Did Schaub say he’ll spend more time studying the team’s tendencies on offense so that players like Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman won’t be able to say that a given play was so predictable Sherman saw it in practice two days earlier and knew it was coming in the key moment of the game?

That’s where Manning’s explanation is a bit inconsistent.  Yes, everyone makes mistakes.  But Schaub presumably addressed during the meeting his own mistakes, which naturally draw more attention — especially when there’s a bright-line connecting his mistakes and the points that forced overtime.

It’s good that the players are behind Schaub.  He likely gives them their best chance of winning more games than they lose, if he irons out some of his rough spots.   In the end, though, what the players think of Schaub won’t matter if Kubiak decides that it’s in the best interests of the team to go with T.J. Yates, who led the team to its first-ever playoff win in 2011, or Case Keenum, the undrafted gunslinger from the University of Houston whose jersey fans would be ready to buy and wear, not buy and burn.

Either way, the Texans will have 11 players only on the field at all times on Sunday night, when they try to beat the 49ers in San Francisco.

68 responses to “Texans hold players-only meeting

  1. I hope someone knows the Heimlich maneuver. There will be way too many chokers in that meeting to take any chances.

  2. The media needs to step back and let this play out without the fanning the flames or disconnect and insurrection. I’ve seen this so many times, in more than one town. From Craig Morton to Matt Schaub.

  3. stlluna7 says: Oct 1, 2013 4:55 PM

    The media needs to step back and let this play out without the fanning the flames or disconnect and insurrection. I’ve seen this so many times, in more than one town. From Craig Morton to Matt Schaub.
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    Dude, that’s what the media does best

  4. I watched this game and I don’t think it was all Matt Schaub’s fault. He didn’t decide to throw the ball when they should have been running it…that was the coach.

    Sherman is a great defensive player and Seattle is going to come back hard, given the chance. They were motivated after Bennett got hurt and it showed in the second half.

    I have a lot of respect for the Texans, even though I’m a Lions fan. I’d happily take J.J. Watt off your hands, if you ever get tired of him (LOL) but seriously, you have a good team and you need to give them a chance.

    Of course, Detroit fans are very patient or we’d have left long ago. You guys have a great shot at winning your division, so quit burning jerseys and get back in their and cheer for your team.

    One observation…the crowd was not as loud as Seattle’s (whose is?) but more crowd noise would have helped. Next time, yell while the offense is discussing their next play, not just when they’re trying to audibilize.

  5. This is going to be a VERY pissed off team going into San Francisco this Sunday. Should be another dog fight!!

  6. Two stats I would be interested in seeing: 1) What is the winning percentage of a team following a players’ only meeting? And, 2) what is their winning percentage for the rest of the season following a players only meeting? I doubt these things end up making a significant difference past the first quarter of the following game…

  7. Shaub is ok, but just needs to play a little smarter. Even if they went 3 and out and punted it would have been fine in that spot as SEA would have had to drive the length of the field just to tie.

    Don’t forget that the Texans could also be 0-4. Week 1 they were down by 14 headed to the 4th quarter and week 2 they needed overtime to beat the Titans. They should be happy they managed 2-2 based on how they’ve been playing.

    They have it in their mind that they are an elite team, but they just aren’t very consistent right now. It’s not just Shaub.

  8. wearethesteelers says: Oct 1, 2013 5:01 PM

    Where there is a desperate team, there is Tebow.
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    Tebow is in Pittsburgh?

  9. The Texans are one of the most fascinating teams to analyze from a GM standpoint. I can’t wait to see what horrible move they make in the future and I’m just gawking at all the moves they could and should be making that pass by every day. It’s going to be much more interesting a couple years from now to look back with hindsight to today. I’m looking forward to it very much!

  10. fumblenuts says: Oct 1, 2013 5:07 PM

    This is going to be a VERY pissed off team going into San Francisco this Sunday. Should be another dog fight!!
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    Go Texans! San Francisco is a joke and I will definitely be a Houston fan, next week. LOL

  11. Matt Schaub isn’t Peyton Manning/Aaron Rodgers/Drew Brees…but…only 15 quarterbacks are better than Schaub.

    REMIND ME: Who is Schaub’s #2 and #3 wrs???

    Oh… that’s right…. a ROOKIE and a second year 5th round draft nobody.

  12. fumblenuts says:Oct 1, 2013 5:07 PM

    This is going to be a VERY pissed off team going into San Francisco this Sunday. Should be another dog fight!!

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    Two teams currently experiencing let down seasons. SF was the Super Bowl loser so it comes with the territory. I don’t know why Houston has fallen back though. Maybe Foster isn’t quite what he was.

  13. This team just has never been able to get all together at once. Offense is up the defense is down. Defense is up the offense is getting old. To bad of Andre Johnson, really one of the greats of his ear and should make the HOF.

  14. Players only meetings in any sport always seem to indicate disfuntion or underachievment, but rarely result in any kind of fix. Texans have a lot of talent, but just can’t beat the best teams or get far in the playoffs. Coach and QB on the way out, IMO. Cutler may be out there and Roethlisberger may be available this offseason.

  15. lovethelions says:Oct 1, 2013 5:04 PM

    I watched this game and I don’t think it was all Matt Schaub’s fault. He didn’t decide to throw the ball when they should have been running it…that was the coach.

    Sherman is a great defensive player and Seattle is going to come back hard, given the chance. They were motivated after Bennett got hurt and it showed in the second half.

    I have a lot of respect for the Texans, even though I’m a Lions fan. I’d happily take J.J. Watt off your hands, if you ever get tired of him (LOL) but seriously, you have a good team and you need to give them a chance.

    Of course, Detroit fans are very patient or we’d have left long ago. You guys have a great shot at winning your division, so quit burning jerseys and get back in their and cheer for your team.

    One observation…the crowd was not as loud as Seattle’s (whose is?) but more crowd noise would have helped. Next time, yell while the offense is discussing their next play, not just when they’re trying to audibilize.

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    That was Shaub’s fault 100 percent. You can’t make that throw. It might be the coaches decision not to run it, but the QB has to make the saftest possible play in that spot. He was moving away from the target on his back leg. That’s just a dumb throw. A sack would have been way better than that.

  16. ydousuk says: Oct 1, 2013 5:11 PM

    wearethesteelers says: Oct 1, 2013 5:01 PM

    Where there is a desperate team, there is Tebow.
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    Tebow is in Pittsburgh?

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    Ouch!

    LOL

  17. How is losing the game against the Seahawks Shaub’s fault? The Texans defense should be to blame for letting the Seahawks come from behind.

  18. bullcharger says: Oct 1, 2013 5:17 PM

    That was Shaub’s fault 100 percent. You can’t make that throw. It might be the coaches decision not to run it, but the QB has to make the saftest possible play in that spot. He was moving away from the target on his back leg. That’s just a dumb throw. A sack would have been way better than that.
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    Well Captain Obvious, of course a sack would have been better than a pick six. I’m not saying Shaub didn’t throw a bad pass, but why didn’t the receiver stop Sherman from getting the ball?

  19. ma5terbla5t3r says:
    Oct 1, 2013 5:11 PM
    It’s not like this will make a difference. Hughgely overrated Watt probably wants to get his supply re-uped by Cushing.
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    Did DL Hughley over rate him or is you grasp of the english language a bit over rated?

  20. bullcharger says: Oct 1, 2013 5:10 PM

    Shaub is ok, but just needs to play a little smarter. Even if they went 3 and out and punted it would have been fine in that spot as SEA would have had to drive the length of the field just to tie.

    Don’t forget that the Texans could also be 0-4. Week 1 they were down by 14 headed to the 4th quarter and week 2 they needed overtime to beat the Titans. They should be happy they managed 2-2 based on how they’ve been playing.

    They have it in their mind that they are an elite team, but they just aren’t very consistent right now. It’s not just Shaub.
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    Followed a few minutes later by…

    bullcharger says: Oct 1, 2013 5:17 PM

    lovethelions says:Oct 1, 2013 5:04 PM

    I watched this game and I don’t think it was all Matt Schaub’s fault. He didn’t decide to throw the ball when they should have been running it…that was the coach.

    Sherman is a great defensive player and Seattle is going to come back hard, given the chance. They were motivated after Bennett got hurt and it showed in the second half.

    I have a lot of respect for the Texans, even though I’m a Lions fan. I’d happily take J.J. Watt off your hands, if you ever get tired of him (LOL) but seriously, you have a good team and you need to give them a chance.

    Of course, Detroit fans are very patient or we’d have left long ago. You guys have a great shot at winning your division, so quit burning jerseys and get back in their and cheer for your team.

    One observation…the crowd was not as loud as Seattle’s (whose is?) but more crowd noise would have helped. Next time, yell while the offense is discussing their next play, not just when they’re trying to audibilize.

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    That was Shaub’s fault 100 percent. You can’t make that throw. It might be the coaches decision not to run it, but the QB has to make the saftest possible play in that spot. He was moving away from the target on his back leg. That’s just a dumb throw. A sack would have been way better than that.

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    How many opinions do you have? Did something change in the last few minutes? Or are you just indecisive…

  21. thestrategyexpert says:
    Oct 1, 2013 5:11 PM
    The Texans are one of the most fascinating teams to analyze from a GM standpoint.
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    LOL!

  22. @devildog911:

    There’s this channel called the NFL Network, and they show highlights of games. In particular they show scoring plays such as the pick six Schaub threw to Richard Sherman.

  23. (1). I still can’t believe Schaub let that pass go without being able to see whether his receiver was covered.

    (2). I still can’t believe Kubiak called that stupid play, and I thought that before Sherman said they knew it was coming.

    I can understand why Schaub still has a job (a shortage of competent QBs) but why does Kubiak? He calls a terrible game and his team has underachieved for years. Bring in someone that can get this offense to even a mediocre level and Houston will be a Super Bowl contender. That will never happen with Kubiak at the helm. Make the move Houston, with bad coaches the sooner you cut the cord the better.

  24. Some of these comments make me wonder if any of you actually WATCH any of these teams play. If you did, you wouldn’t be calling Matt Schaub a game manager. One (admittedly horrible) play does not negate the fact that he had been picking Richard Sherman apart all game. Second, Arian Foster has been a victim of play calling. Nothing else.
    Even though his game against the other “best” defense in the league was his first really good one (shouldn’t who he did it against tell you this guy is still a stud at the top of his game?), he’s been producing when he gets the ball.
    Finally, stop with the “Andre’s old” crap. At 32, he shredded the best CB in the league. You’re just buying into some unfounded myth that 30 automatically means a player forgets what made him great in the first place.
    Finally, the only thing the defense couldn’t stop was a running QB, and Russell Wilson is among the best in the league at that. He put the game on his legs and won it ugly.
    That’s it. That’s all. Don’t read any more into a tough matchup between two of the top teams in the NFL than there is.
    Houston will be fine.

  25. @sonoco

    Really? The Texans were up almost 3 TDs and their defense let the Seahawks catch up? Was Shaub like playing defense or something? Even if it was Yates at the helm, the opposing team would’ve caught up anyway.

    I’m not a fan of the Texans or Shaub by any means but to single out a person is totally absurd.

  26. This is why Ed Reed is there. To fix that lockerroom. He righted the ship in Baltimore when harbaugh had things going bad. They ended up winning it all, so things are looking up for the texans!

  27. ydousuk says:Oct 1, 2013 5:23 PM

    bullcharger says: Oct 1, 2013 5:17 PM

    That was Shaub’s fault 100 percent. You can’t make that throw. It might be the coaches decision not to run it, but the QB has to make the saftest possible play in that spot. He was moving away from the target on his back leg. That’s just a dumb throw. A sack would have been way better than that.
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    Well Captain Obvious, of course a sack would have been better than a pick six. I’m not saying Shaub didn’t throw a bad pass, but why didn’t the receiver stop Sherman from getting the ball?

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    Not the pick 6. taking a sack would have been a better decision then making that throw. Not just based on the result.

    The receiver didn’t stop Sherman from getting the ball because he was where he was supposed to be and Sherman was jumping the route. The ball needed to have zip on it. Shaub threw it off balance moving backwards with no zip.

    Reminds me of the INT Favre threw in the NFC championship game in 2009. Just pointless to make that throw.

  28. Go texans! Take out all your frustrations on the injured niners! In frisco they are calling you guys choke artists. The game should be good

  29. Steeler fans frequenting threads about other teams because their own threads are too depressing! I love it.

  30. “Did he say he’ll stand up to coach Gary Kubiak the next time Schaub is in a position where he knows the wrong play has been called but he (according to Kubiak) doesn’t have the power to change it?”

    Come on. It wasn’t so much the called play as it was the execution of it. If the Seahawks don’t blitz, Schaub probably has more time to go through a progression or two on that play and probably doesn’t throw to Daniels. Or if he threw in front of Daniels instead of to his outside shoulder, the pick 6 never happens. Schaub didn’t know the Seahawks had practiced defending that play. It’s easy to say in hindsight that it was the wrong call, but please quit acting like he knew the play would result in a pick 6 before running it, but had to run it anyway because he’s not allowed to audible. It was poor execution and a great play by Sherman. That’s it.

  31. hey texans, yr time for borrowing the afc south is up, we want what we used to own back – colts fans hahahaha

  32. All the Texans need to do is lay a beat down on the 49ers like the Colts did and the media will get off this story. I watched that full game and Schuab with a clean pocket threw for nearly 300 yards on my Hawks in the first half. We haven’t given up many 300 yard passing games in the past 2 years in a full 4 quarters. Arian Foster ran well and their defense played good enough to win. Although it was assisted by Seattle’s o-line being in the worst shape possible missing starting LT/C/RT. Hopkins needs more plays called for him because teams focus on Johnson.

  33. wearethesteelers says:Oct 1, 2013 5:26 PM

    thestrategyexpert says:
    Oct 1, 2013 5:11 PM
    The Texans are one of the most fascinating teams to analyze from a GM standpoint.
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    LOL!
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    wearethesteelers and thestrategyexpert on the same post? Is there a button for 2 thumbs down?

  34. fumblenuts says:
    Oct 1, 2013 5:07 PM
    This is going to be a VERY pissed off team going into San Francisco this Sunday. Should be another dog fight!!

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    Umm, in one word…no. Teams that hold players only meetings are trying to psychologically assure each other because they intuitively know something is awry. Schaub has now thrown pick-6’s in his last three games……..

    The issue at the heart is this team has NO heart. That is why they crumbled when Cush left. Instead of knowing what needed to be done, principally the offense pick up the slack, the team fell flat on its face.

    No. Heart.

    Texans = Falcons

  35. serkeljerks says:

    Umm, in one word…no. Teams that hold players only meetings are trying to psychologically assure each other because they intuitively know something is awry. Schaub has now thrown pick-6′s in his last three games……..

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    Like the one the 49ers held before the St. Louis game last week? How’d that work out for the Rams?

    Pay better attention.

  36. The meeting went something along the lines of “cough choke cough cough hack choke choke hack cough cough choke” ok meeting over.

  37. that the Texans should have won against Seattle

    Can’t you just one time give credit to the Hawks? Do you just have to knock them every time out?

    Maybe you should think about the fact that there are 2 half’s in a game. Houston won the first and Seattle the second. OT decided the game.

    That’s football Mike. Looking at it your way they might as well have called the mercy rule at halftime and gone home.

  38. drober15 says:
    Oct 1, 2013 7:06 PM
    serkeljerks says:

    Umm, in one word…no. Teams that hold players only meetings are trying to psychologically assure each other because they intuitively know something is awry. Schaub has now thrown pick-6′s in his last three games……..

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    Like the one the 49ers held before the St. Louis game last week? How’d that work out for the Rams?

    Pay better attention.
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    ya sure about that skippy? …….funny because not one beat writer mentioned a players only meeting for the 49ers…not Maiocco, not Barrows, not Ratto, not Bach……..and when would this players only meeting have happened between Monday-Wednesday on a short week? Quick answer: they never had one. Get your facts straight.

    Texans = Falcons ……No. Heart.

  39. You fans need to calm down and quit trying to run the team. Last year we heard these cries for Phillip Rivers and this year he’s second in the league. Give Matt better protection and he’ll throw much better.

  40. On the most annoying fans scale it’s:

    #1 NY Jets
    #2 Houston Texans
    #3 Washington Redskins… oh sorry RedTails
    #4 Pittsburgh Steelers
    #5 San Francisco 49ers

    amirite?

  41. silverhornet says:
    Oct 1, 2013 8:04 PM
    On the most annoying fans scale it’s:

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    JETS fans??

    Seattle fans are BY FAR the most annoying this year……and for good reason…….they have no idea when they’ll ever be back in this kind of position again. Took ’em 37 years just to get to it this time.

  42. The game symbolizes the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. Texans let one get away, but considering it was to one of the league’s best teams, it’s not that bad. What’s happening with the Giants: that’s bad!

  43. I’m sorry, but Texas didn’t lose that game, Seattle won it. They played just as well in the second half as Texas did in the first. Get over it. You lost to an elite team that keeps getting better.

    My god, Florio. Give it up, Seattle is just as good as everyone thinks.

  44. silverhornet says: Oct 1, 2013 8:04 PM

    On the most annoying fans scale it’s:

    #1 NY Jets
    #2 Houston Texans
    #3 Washington Redskins… oh sorry RedTails
    #4 Pittsburgh Steelers
    #5 San Francisco 49ers

    amirite?

    No……..yeranimbecile.

  45. hawkforlife says:Oct 1, 2013 7:13 PM

    that the Texans should have won against Seattle

    Can’t you just one time give credit to the Hawks? Do you just have to knock them every time out………………………………………………………..?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Good comments lifer…….I was wondering why he takes the negative slant against the Hawks, so often myself.

    The Hawks gave up 20 points in the second quarter and none in the first, third, forth/with OT. Sure; the points at the start of the second were surely earned in the first, but the press (Mike) & fans still need to give credit to the Defense overall and the adjustments made by the coaches at the half.

  46. hawkforlife says:
    Oct 1, 2013 7:13 PM
    that the Texans should have won against Seattle

    Can’t you just one time give credit to the Hawks? Do you just have to knock them every time out?

    Maybe you should think about the fact that there are 2 half’s in a game. Houston won the first and Seattle the second. OT decided the game.

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    Florio is right. Texans should’ve won the game. The Seahawks weren’t doing squat for 3 1/2 quarters (and ‘yes’ I was watching the game). Save for a couple good scrambles by Wilson and a GREAT catch by Baldwin, for the most part Seattle’s offense couldn’t do anything.

    The proverbial turning point was when Cushing went out. AT EXACTLY that point is when the air was let out of the tires for Houston. It’s one thing for a defense to reel from that loss but the offense too? The offense should’ve done the opposite.

    With 3 mins left in the game and up by a touchdown Houston just needed a first down…MAYBE two at most……..that’s it. Instead a horrible, just a wretched, play was called….that was the followed through by Schaub lobbing a pass up like they were playing in front of a house.

    Yeah. Seattle won but don’t misguide yourself on this “2 halves” stuff.

  47. @serkeljerks

    Couldn’t agree more. I was at the game and before that play we were commenting that we needed 2 first downs and the game was over.

    The turning point of the game was definitely when Cushing left. Most of us in the stands didn’t even know it happened until after we left. I watched the game on tivo afterwards (yes I’m a glutton for punishment) and you can see that that’s the point were RW starts to escape the pocket and do damage with his legs.

    The Texans DOMINATED Seattle on both sides of the ball for the vast majority of the game.

    Seattle had 2 good drives the whole game. Their first drive that stalled and gave them 3 points and the 98 yard drive where RW was RW. Other than that. They were pretty ineffective.

    They got 3 points from a Ben Tate fumble afterwhich they settled for a FG after going 3 and out. And the other 7 points were on the pick 6.

    Meanwhile the Texans had over 500 yards of offense, Foster broke 100yds for the first time this season, Dre broke a 100 yards, Schaub broke 350 yds. Up until that pick, Sherman was getting owned, especially in the first half.

    But, the Texans didn’t capitalize on great performances and left the door open, even just a crack, and Seattle is a good team and pun intended, grabbed the bull by the horns….

    On to SF….

  48. serkeljerks says:
    Oct 1, 2013 7:36 PM

    ya sure about that skippy? …….funny because not one beat writer mentioned a players only meeting for the 49ers…not Maiocco, not Barrows, not Ratto, not Bach……..and when would this players only meeting have happened between Monday-Wednesday on a short week? Quick answer: they never had one. Get your facts straight.

    Texans = Falcons ……No. Heart.
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    Hey skippy, go read the SI.com article after the Rams game where Gore mentioned they had a players-only meeting before getting to St. Louis.

    And it’s not that these teams have no heart, anyone that says that is retarded. But the teams have made mistakes and have had injury issues and that can contribute to their problems. But both Houston and Atlanta have WAY too much talent to be counted out totally when the season’s as long as it is.

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