Torrey Smith thinks Joe Flacco gets unfair criticism

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There’s been some talk in the Baltimore media that Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco is not sufficiently committed to being an NFL quarterback 365 days a year, as evidenced by his supposed failure to organize offseason workouts with his wide receivers. One of those receivers says that criticism is unfair.

Ravens receiver Torrey Smith told reporters that the timing hasn’t been right for a group workout, but that Flacco isn’t to blame for that.

You all [in the media] keep talking about this and [criticizing] Joe like he doesn’t want to get together or something like that,” Smith said, via the team’s website. “We’ve been trying to figure it out, but people have to realize, [Kyle Juszczyk] is in school, Marlon [Brown] is in school. Steve [Smith] is still being a parent down there [Carolina]. [Dennis] Pitta is fine. Aaron [Mellette] isn’t all the way back yet. If we really go out there and throw, it’s going to be, Steve, Pitta and Jacoby. That’s it.”

Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti acknowledged at the league meeting that he has heard talk radio criticism of Flacco’s offseason work, but Bisciotti said that’s more about filling air time than anything else.

“Listen, those guys are paid to give opinions and they are put on the air dozens of hours a week,” Bisciotti said. “I guess they get tired of saying the same thing.”

Flacco took a lot of deserved criticism for the way his play declined last season. But the criticism he’s taking this offseason is, according to the people in a position to know, off base.

82 responses to “Torrey Smith thinks Joe Flacco gets unfair criticism

  1. The guy just isn’t liked in general and never has been. I don’t know what hes done to anyone to garner that but that’s exactly what it is. How is he supposed to organize anything with just 3 guys available?

  2. It’s very fair, he gets paid a ridiculous amount of money and more than he is actually worth. But that’s not his fault, that is the GM and the Owner’s fault. He still deserves to be held under scrutiny as long as he cashes the paychecks and postures like as if he’s getting a fair deal. I don’t see the performance matching to that pay rate so nothing that he or his teammates should be complaining about if people are unhappy with what he is contributing in return. This is the position that they put him into when they gave him that deal. Deal with it and accept it. Win a Super Bowl without help from the referees and that might quiet the critics.

  3. Looks like the Ravens are starting to come apart at the seams.

    Where there is smoke, there is fire.

    This is just the beginning of the long fall for Flacco.

    Last year was just a preview.

  4. Flacco gets “unfair criticism” because he gets paid like Payton Manning to perform like Joe Flacco…

    The Ravens are getting ripped off!!!

  5. Is it unfair? He’s paid 20 million dollars a year. He should be available when his WR’s are available. Just sayin’.

  6. Joe Flacco ruined what QBs should be paid. He was the 15th-20th best QB when he decided he was worth $20 million a season. And like morons, the Ravens gave it to him. Now all any QB has to do is win 1 SB and he, by the Joe Flacco standard, is worth $20 million a season. Terrible contract and always will be.

  7. I have my criticisms of Joe, but most of my criticisms fall on the O-line last season. Truly atrocious stuff.

    I foresee big improvements this season all over the offense.

  8. blah blah blah.

    They are multi-million dollar athletes in an era of social media. They ALL get criticism and need to realize it’s why they earn 20x what the average american does. Deal with it.

  9. Joe walked the walk in the 2012 playoffs, and got himself a huge contract.

    But he sure didn’t walk the walk in 2013.

    Flacco IS deserving of the criticism.

  10. I’m not one to defend a Raven. I’m not a fan of Joe Flacco.

    This kind of criticism is silly. Do you expect a roofer to gather his team on his day off to practice their shingle pass? Do you expect an accountant to get together with his secretary on a Saturday to get in a little extra practice emailing?

    Just because fans follow football year round doesn’t mean players need to play it year round.

  11. I don’t think that it’s because he’s not committed. I just don’t think he’s that good. He has all of the physical tools in the world but the guy is missing what all great QB’s have and that’s the mastery of the mental part of the game. I think that it’s evident from his early years when they didn’t want him throwing across the middle of the field. You can say that Cam Cameron wasn’t a good head coach but he’s very well respected around the league as a offensive coordinator. I think he dumbed down his playbook for Flacco and he still couldn’t flourish. Everyone wanted Cameron gone and Caldwell came in and despite the miraculous playoff run, he remained the same and in some aspects got worse. People here in Baltimore always have a ton of excuses for the guy but they’re running out. If he fails in Kubiak’s system then what? Will the time finally come where people stop defending him like he’s their son? He’s maddening to watch. How is it possible that a guy in this day in age that plays every snap of the season can’t pass for 4,000 yds? I mean that’s the bare minimum for QB’s these days.

  12. Everyone criticizing the contract doesn’t understand that the big money is in the back end & he will never see it. It is a 3 year cap friendly deal that leads to a cut/renegotiate after year 3. 2 years from now he will get cut or get a new deal. This $20 Mil / yr figure is hocus pocus.

  13. Offseason quarterback and receiver workouts are a meaningless dog and pony show. It may make the qb look like a gung-ho go-getter but throwing and running routes without pads and without at least a nominal defense doesn’t do much.

    And any type of chemistry will be lost in a week or two of inactivity.

  14. What’s kapernick asking to be paid, how about russel Wilson? you think they aren’t asking for flacco money? Both look up to the #5 and hope for the consistency he displays as QB.

    Others who want fantasy QB’s to lead their teams Keep on hoping on Matthew Stafford types who lose more games with their decisions than wins.

    Joe doesn’t lose games by himself, he makes good decisions is never hurt, puts the team first and helps them go deep in the playoffs every year but last. He’ll be back this year and so will the ravens.

  15. I’m sorry first and foremost was this your money?


    It was from a recommendation of a GM who’s created two Superbowl winning rosters from top to bottom, with two different coaching staffs. So if he thinks he’s deserving then who am I to argue.

    Second, how many rings do the top paid QBs in the league have? Only one (Brady) has more than two and only two (Eli and Roethlisberger) have two.

    So what return do the Cowboys get on paying Romo, or the Lions with Stafford or the Falcons with Ryan, etc. etc.

    Third who has the most wins as a QB in league history?

    Fourth who has the most road wins in the playoffs in league history?

    So sorry if he won’t win a Fantasy Football championship for you, but in six years he’s done more with less (remember his receivers when he started were Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton and it wasn’t until his fourth year that he got a speedster on the outside in Torrey Smith) and has a Superbowl MVP.

    So all the people out there who scream he isn’t good just prove how little you honestly know about football that isn’t fantasy related.

  16. Once again, the ravens trying to steal the media coverage away from the orioles. Who cares about the lack of off season training…its ORIOLES OPENING DAY!

  17. Hmmm – not suspicious at all – a WR (that wants to be targeted more before his own contract negotiations) is pumping his QB up!

  18. So what exactly should he be doing ? Pull the WRs out of school? He lives here year round perhaps the WRs need to be accountable for their own priorities

  19. Why are we hearing from Torri instad of Joe.

    Sounds like when Brady’s wife came to his defense after he over threw Wes Welker.

  20. When he signed the big contract, he signed up for all of the criticism that comes with not performing up to those standards. If he can’t deal with that, then he should voluntarily take a paycut….

  21. Seems to me that he’d want to get more practice dealing with only having a couple of active WRs on the roster.

  22. Joe Flacco whining wouldn’t surprise me in the least, but Jacoby Jones does. I’m not sure why, though. The Ravens have no equal when it comes to whining.

  23. Um ok Torrey…

    Who are you worried about him throwing passes to? The top 3 guys are available for workouts, workout with them.

    You want to call yourself elite, then you need to play and conduct yourself like the elite do.

    I can give you cubic zirconia and call it a diamond, and charge you like its a diamond, doesn’t make it a diamond…

  24. Diehard Ravens fan here but I still question the contract that was given to Flacco. Is he really worth $20 million a year? He’s to up and down. Elite quarterbacks put up good numbers week in and week out. Is he good…. YES. Is he elite….. NO.

  25. A good deal but not all of the criticism comes from Vinnie Cerrato on 105.7 THEFAN. He thinks he knows a little bit about being a GM. If his performance in his last gig as GM is any barometer of what he knows his criticism is quite unfounded.

  26. When you get a monster contract like Flacco, you’re always going to be a lightning rod for criticism, fair or unfair. It comes with the burden of being one of the highest paid players in the NFL. But Flacco won a ring for the Ravens and he earned that money. But if he really wants to shut haters up, he needs to do what Eli and Big Ben did – win a second one. And if he still gets criticized, there are worse things in life than being compared to Jim Plunkett.

  27. Let’s see Flacco has same number of rings as Peyton Rodgers and Brees. Dont be mad that hes paid like them.

  28. We’ve all seen what Flacco can(‘t) do. The best thing his receivers can do in the offseason is work on their vertical.

  29. Flacco used a great 4, game stretch, in the playoffs into a huge contract. He puts up average QB numbers at best, completion percentage, TD’s to Int ratio, and QB rating. Even Trent Dilfer won a super bowl. Did that mean he should have gotten a ridiculous contract then?

    Without that great 4, game stretch, he would still be making maybe $12 to $15, million. He hosed the Ravens, plain and simple.

  30. Nice to see people still continue to look at stat and headlines and look no further than that.

    Joe’s contract is a glorified three-year extension that is heavily back-loaded and he most likely will never see those; at least not as soon as you morons think he will (it will be restructured before the 2016 season begins). He only got like what, $6.8M in 2013? (At least three players on his team made more!) And will get only $14.8M in 2014 (only Ngata will get more.), which is still less than about ten other QBs in the league.

    But let’s ignore all of that and just ass u me that his cap hit is $20M and he gets $120 in guaranteed money because that’s a lot easier to remember.

  31. You live by the sword and you die by the sword. If when things are going good you get a 100 mil contract then criticism is more than fair when things go bad.

  32. If I were a Ravens fan I’d be estatic about having to only pay 20mil for Flacco.

    Look at Krappernick down in SF; 18mill, sh….t! Dude barely manages 3000 yards a season behind one of the best lines in football; while benefiting from a great running game and a D that not only creates turnovers, but puts him on short fields!

    He hasn’t won crap and has less then 2 years game experience! At least you can claim that you’re paying Joe for services perrformed!

  33. Why does everyone pile on January Joe?

    Cause he doesn’t speak out like Brees, (alledgely) sexually assault college girls, wear Uggs and live in $50 mil mansions, or choke away playoff games like P Manning?

    He’s a regular dude with a cannon arm and limited accuracy. He’s tough as nails, and doesn’t require pampering. People act like he’s a jerk. Smh

  34. Most of your qbs don’t have a SB ring and SB MVP.

    More wins than any QB since he came in the league. And many other QBs have great rbs and defenses also. So don’t use that as a cop out.

    QB had a bad year after a team gut and SB hangover. Big Ben and Brady did the same thing in 02 and 09

    Hate on.

    Sincerely – Ravens fans

  35. Any true Ravens fan knows that Flacco doesn’t make $20mil/year. Any true Ravens fan knows that he’s the best QB we’ve ever had.

    Anyone else claiming they’re a ravens fan and saying differently better look at the alternatives.

    To the rest of the NFL fans that comment here about Flacco’s money/talent. Let me know when Ryan, Stafford and others win that ring.

    Otherwise, worry about your own team. Props to steelerben for saying it like it is.

  36. There are a lot of comments here that are clear people didn’t even read the article. Forget reading, I gotta get my Flacco bash in quick so I can see how many thumbs up I get. It Sooooo helps my fragile insecurities.

  37. Maryland Basketball is in the toilet so what else are the 105.7 hosts and listeners going to talk about in February and March?

  38. Might have helped if the article mentioned that Torrey was answering questions at his charity basketball event this weekend. That’s why he’s talking. Might also be useful to state they were waiting on Kubiak’s play book before they could schedule something and he said he’s confident it’ll happen before OTAs begin. That might have taken some steam out of the negative comments.

  39. Criticizing the guy for his sub-par year is one thing. That’s fair. But blaming him for the receiving corps not being available to have a workout isn’t. Those off-season workouts arguably don’t gain anything tangible for the passing game that can’t be accomplished during OTAs, minicamps, training camp, and the preseason.

    Aside from that, it’s the offseason and these guys have lives outside of football not matter how much as a fan you wish they did nothing but football 24/7. Good for Brown and Juszczyk for being in school. Steve Smith has kids to take care of and to enjoy spending time with, and he just moved – he’s got to deal with everything that comes along with uprooting your entire family, something I’m sure a lot of people can sympathize with. Some of the other guys are nursing injuries.

    No need to make a mountain out of a molehill in this situation; Flacco unquestionably works hard enough that he shouldn’t have to deal with criticism like this.

  40. this criticism is nothing new, and it comes from a small but vocal minority in the fanbase.

    remember back in April 2008?

    “why would you draft a qb out of Delaware when you already have a heisman-winning qb (troy smith) on the roster”

    yes, there were hundreds upon hundreds of those calls.

  41. “Everyone criticizing the contract doesn’t understand that the big money is in the back end & he will never see it. It is a 3 year cap friendly deal that leads to a cut/renegotiate after year 3.”

    “Joe’s contract is a glorified three-year extension that is heavily back-loaded and he most likely will never see those”

    I’d love to live in your cap world where the $50M he was guaranteed just magically disappears. If he’s cut, the Ravens have a huge cap hit in the year he’s cut ($30M?). And if it’s renegotaited, he will most certainly see those back-loaded dollars you dismiss.

  42. Flacco is tier 2. He’s not Rodgers, Brady, Manning or Brees. He isn’t quite Rothlisberger either and maybe not even Rivers. However, I would put him in with Eli, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton. Matt Ryan and Romo among others are tier 3.

    As he has proven, you can win with Flacco. He struggles against the pass rush because he hangs on to the ball too long sometimes, but he’s very tough and he throws a good deep ball. He’s best in the old school Raiders type vertical passing offense and it works as he’s proven by winning a Super Bowl.

    If Flacco has proven himself to be one of the top 10 QBs in the world currently, then I am not sure why anyone would be complaining about him. at least half the league would snap him up in a heartbeat.

  43. I love it!

    This wasn;t real media. It was Vinny Cerrato.

    The last time Vinny critiqued Flacco he went off for 11TDs – OInts, a SB win, and an MVP trophy.

    Keep talking, Vinny!!!

  44. Flucko has had one lucky postseaso run in 6 years and has been bounced from the playoffs all his other years. He’s average at best, definitely not elite. More like a one hit wonder.

  45. Torrey has a bright future in PR, defending Ray, defending Flacco. Point is Flacco is a good but largely inconsistent QB, i will say this as much he does suck relative to his paycheck, but he is the best Ravens have got since Boller, Dilfer yikes…

  46. Well Joe had a bad year ok but to first be an elite QB you have to have good o-line protection and he did not have that in the 2012 playoffs he had that and went Joe Montana so when he get that O-line back up with a lil running game he will shut up all his haters/critics once again.

  47. Love the hate. I lucky postseason. Sorry 9-4 lifetime post season record. Jump ball joe – Super Bowl MVP. Super Bowl ring. 20 million per year contract – stop reading the headlines and read the fine print.

    Flacco is a perfect QB for our division. Great arm. Durable. Really good in bad weather. Throws the fastest 20 yd out in football.

    Whether he is top 5 is moot. It ain’t our money. And with the cap rising in the next few years look for Wilson etc to be demanding 25 a year.

    Bottom line – joe has a ring and an MVP. There is less than a handful of QBs in the nfl that can say the same.

  48. All Joe does is win. Maybe it’s not sexy and the stats aren’t dazzling but he plays and he wins. As for the money – Joe is overpaid. And for the 5 years before that he was UNDERPAID. So it all evens out. If Joe plays for the Ravens for 10 years – his salary will be about 10 million year. For 7/8 years of playoff ball and 1 (or more) Super Bowls – any GM and team would take that in a heartbeat.

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