Michael Vick on running quarterbacks: I started it all


Jets quarterback Michael Vick knows he’s far from the only running quarterback in the NFL these days, but he wants to be remembered as the one who started the trend toward quarterbacks who can beat defenses with their legs as well as their arms.

“I was the guy who started it all,” Vick told ESPN.com. “I revolutionized the game. I changed the way it was played in the NFL.”

It’s not quite correct to say that Vick started it all: Although Vick is the NFL’s all-time leader in rushing yards for a quarterback (5,857) and yards per carry (7.1), there were other good running quarterbacks before Vick came along, including Bobby Douglass, Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb. But whether he was the one who started it all or not, Vick has a lot to be proud of.

“The things I’ve done, I’ve pretty much surpassed myself and expectations — over 25,000 yards in total offense in the NFL, and I missed a lot of years and a lot of games,” he said. “That’s more the reason I have to keep it going.”

How much longer can Vick keep it going? Vick will turn 34 next week and may not be quite the running threat he once was. But he’ll always be remembered as one of the greatest running quarterbacks ever to play the game.

272 responses to “Michael Vick on running quarterbacks: I started it all

  1. Vick is an ineffective turd who can’t read a defense, is way too small to play in the NFL, and predictably gets hurt every year! Perfect fit for Rex Ryan’s team + he has cute feet!

  2. Did this idiot ever watch Randall Cunningham? He started it all! A much better passer too. I can’t wait till this Clown is out of the league.

  3. Actually there was this guy named Randall Cunningham maybe you heard of him. This is precisely why I can’t stand Vick he has this idea of how great he is and how he started the running qb thing lol

  4. That would be great, but you are paid to throw the ball…..ah, to guys in the same color jersey as you dummy! Then, according to Jimmy Graham you should be paid as a running back!

  5. “But he’ll always be remembered as one of the greatest running quarterbacks ever to play the game.”

    That’s not all he’ll be remembered for, that’s for sure.

  6. f1restarter says: Jun 20, 2014 9:54 PM

    How many of those running quarterbacks have championship rings?


    The real question is, how many more could of had championship if they didn’t allow the outside world to influence their game?

    Russell plays his game and having a superbowl ring won’t change that. McNabb? Tried to be something he wasn’t due to media pressure. A pure pocket QB. Randall Cunningham is a similar case though his team was also not as good not that McNabb had a good team really other than the always choking defense. McNair ran into Warner. Nuff said there.

  7. “But he’ll always be remembered as one of the greatest glorified running backs ever to play the game.”


  8. Kordell Stewart is the only QB to throw 3 TDs and run for 2 TDs in the same game, twice in one season. I am not making a comment in Kordell’s ability, but he was there long before this clown was running dog fights…or running as a QB.

  9. Fran Tarketon. Warren Moon. Steve Young. Randall Cunningham. Need I go on. Heck, even Mark Brunell as a youngster could tuck and run. And what about Roger the Dodger Staubach? And Greg Landry? And John Elway? Oh, Mike, there were a whole bunch of guys who came before you.

  10. Randall Cunningham was on the Eagles too so, he should have at least seen his picture in the hallway.

  11. Mike Vick is very good quarterback. His career passing numbers are very good. He has a rocket arm… As a kid growing up watching him on the Falcons, it was like nothing you had ever witnessed before in the NFL. However, you will never be truly great until you win championships. Great quarterbacks help their team win Super Bowls.

    Thank you Joe Flacco

  12. ‘But he’ll always be remembered as one of the greatest running quarterbacks ever to play the game.’

    Hmmm.. . . . That’s not what I’m going to remember about Vick.

  13. If he thinks his legacy will be anything more than a waste of talent that was convicted of murdering dogs than he is more delusional than Vince Young was with the Dream Team comment

  14. Vick is by far, the leading rusher of all QBs even after missing all those games.

    He has more yards than these notable running backs:

    Duce Staley (retired)
    James Stewart (retired)
    Reggie Bush (washed up at 29)
    Fred Jackson (almost retired at 33)
    Ronnie Brown (almost retired at 33)
    Arian Foster (an old 28)
    Marion Barber (retired)
    Ahmad Bradshaw (washed up at 28)
    Rashard Mendenhall (washed up at 27)
    Cadillac Williams (retired)
    BenJarvus Green-Ellis (washed up at 29)
    Shonn Greene (washed up at 29)
    Frank Gifford
    Pierre Thomas (washed up at 30)

  15. Steve Young doesn’t like to be reminded, but he was a running QB. It’s just that it has always been viewed in a negative light, until Elvis, I mean Manziel came along.

    Also now, running is being seen as another tool, if the guy can also throw. It’s an advantage that the NFL has been slow to accept. With the speed of the game, OCs have to adapt and use that “extra” weapon or find themselves on ESPN, saying how things used to be.

  16. This guy is so dilussional and egotistical… Even though some QBs in the past ran out of neccessity when things broke down or in short-yardage situations, the first truly dual-threat QB who would routinely tuck it like a running back was Randall Cunningham.

  17. I think Vick inspired better athletes to play qb. I wonder how many of the ‘running’ qbs in the NFL and college grew up playing Madden and running wild with Vick? Like it or not he’s probably an icon to them all.

  18. jerseyjoe47 says:
    Jun 20, 2014 9:53 PM

    “I scramble like Randall Cunning-Ham, the only thing running is numbers FAM”
    ^ best post in here in a while.

    I’d have to say QB Eagles started this running !t and this is the thanks he gets.

    Fran Tarkenton was more of a scrambling QB than a running QB.

  19. Tarkenton & Young scrambled to break down the D, and make plays with their arms. Especially Tarkenton. Young was more prone to run, to run, early on.

  20. Yeah, how can you mention Bobby Douglas and not mention Fran Tarkenton and Steve Young? And we can go WAY back to Sid Luckman and all the other classics too, but that would mean cracking open history books and who wants to do that, right?

  21. He surpassed HIMSELF!

    To be fair, earlier running QBs did more scrambling behind the line of scrimmage. I think in a way, he did revolutionize the game.

  22. What an ignorant comment for him to make. C’mon now. I’d take everybody on your list and a few more including Steve Young before I take Vick. That comment is pure ego. He started it all huh? Lol.

  23. Looks like Ron Mexico is trying to be remembered for somthing other than OVER RATED!

    sorry Ron you will allways be the starting QB on the most over rated team, you didnt change anything you where just allways the guy everybody rooted for only to be let down.

  24. Wow, very skewed vision of his own importance. Can’t stay on the field and hasn’t won anything. Yea, you are the best mike.

  25. he was a running qb and will be remembered as a runner 1st qb 2nd.
    he will also be remembered for what got him put in prison and sent him spiraling into bankruptcy as well.
    he really wasnt/isnt all that great at any of them apparently.
    he cant even beat out geno smith !

  26. He might have been this first one where the league said maybe intelligence and the ability to throw the ball isn’t that important. And for teams that thought discipline and intelligence were not that important it was exciting. But for others, teams that are interested in winning, it never really quit caught on.

  27. I guess Mike Vick never heard of Fran Tarketon, Archie Manning, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young or John Elway…

  28. He’s delusional, factually incorrect and has accomplished very little by way of meaningful victories in his career. A gifted athlete with many individual highlights and no rings. The QB version of Dominque Wilkins.

  29. Why does everyone in the NFL have to talk so much, making ridiculous claims? Me me, me the best lol. I am pretty sure I was watching running QBs in the CFL well before I had ever heard of Mr. Vick. It was not a new idea, & he didn’t start anything if you actually look at the history of the NFL. Give us all a break:)

  30. Vick

    Interesting career

    Wasted so much of your talent

    Kudos to you to come back after almost 2 yrs in jail

    Didn’t know you had had the highest yards per carry for QB’s in the history of the game and I didn’t know it was over 7 yards a rush either.

    Overall, he is not that good of a QB.

    His stats place him a bit below average. His career QB rating is only 80.9 and in this day and age, good QB’s are well above that.

    I mean Cam Newtons QB ratings his first 3 yrs in the league were 84, 86 and 88.

    Vick had ONE very good season, that’s it.

    He should be in the league, I’m not saying that he doesn’t belong, but it baffles my mind how two different teams gave him $100 plus million dollar contracts.

    Now I know players don’t get all the money, Albert Haynesworth certainly didn’t get all $100 million and Vick didn’t either.

    But still…

  31. Every qb before around 1913… Then reinvented by Tarkenton. Then perfected by Steve Young and Randal Cunningham. They could also read defenses and were far more accurate and went to a bunch of superbowls…. THEN came Ron Mexico and pretty much ruined it for future running qbs, because he never won anything.

  32. Vick was definitely exciting to watch, but Steve Young was a left handed QB who could run AND throw passes that were accurate far more often than not!

  33. Vick must be worried about his legacy as his career draws to … wait, his career was over four years ago.

  34. Bobby Douglas? Young and Tarkenton? Last 2 in Hall of Fame. Vick not even close. I get it. Bad at QB. Bad at history as well. That wasn’t part of the curriculum at Va Tech. Just bowling and pet rock studies.

  35. biggest problem with running QBs. They don’t age well. While manning, rodgers and brady can play to be 41 Vick cant. Vick and all running QBs lose their speed after 30 then they get hit more leading to more injuries leading to them being slower.

  36. This guy is plum dumb. No wonder he wasted all his talent and is a washed up backup behind the only qb who is worse than butt fumble sanchez.

  37. Running QBs existed before the forward pass. Eventually they found it safer to keep throwing it. Sometimes a guy would have to run out of the way or even run down the field,so he was a good scrambling QB. Sorry man,you didn’t start anything.

  38. He was nowhere near the passer Steve Young was but Young was not the runner Vick was. Vick had Sanders-like elusiveness in the opening field. There’s that terrific highlight of two Viking players attempting to corral him, only to find air as he deftly split them.

    I heard someone say Vick’s prime of his career were those astonishing six to eight games he played for the Birds in 2010.

    That was unreal to watch. The game he played in Washington where they hung like 59 on the Skins was something special to watch.

    He has that flick-of-the-wrist motion were he can uncork a deep ball that seems like it won’t ever come back down to Earth.

    He’s another popular person to hate, but boy oh boy did he make some positively mesmerizing plays over they years.

  39. 25K yards for his career? Drew Brees says “huh?” Still, I give the man props for being fast and quick. Has a better okie-doke than a lot of RBs.

  40. You started the fascination of qb’s who can’t read defenses and if the first receiver isn’t open tuck it and run. You started a nightmare trend in the nfl.

  41. So he’s the granddaddy of all exciting yet ultimately unsuccessful quarterbacks.
    BSPN thanks you for the empty highlights…

  42. clearly something happened to vick in prison after he was sent there for running a dog fighting ring, that caused him to lose touch with reality.

  43. Vick will go down as the fastest “running QB”, but he wasn’t the best passer of the running QBs (that goes to Steve Young) and he wasn’t the first to do it big (Cunningham averaged 630 rush yards and 5 TDs between 1986 and 1992).

  44. Wow, I guess with some people, history begins when they are born.

    Fran Tarkenton was the first running quarterback and in fact the word “scrambling” was originally coined to describe him and what he did. He was called “The Mad Scrambler,” “Frantic Fran,” and “Scramblin’ Fran.” He was very controversial at the time and it drove such a wedge between him and Van Brocklin, his coach at the time, that Tarkenton demanded to be traded, and that’s how he ended up being a Giant.

    After Fran, then came more running QBs, like Staubach, Bobby Douglass and Steve Young. Cunningham came much later and then Vick. Vick was a great running QB but claiming that he started it all is ludicrous.

  45. It’s too bad for Mike Vick that he is and was a horrible QB. So you can run? Try completing more than 60% of your passes more than once while remaining a “running QB”. Your best year was pathetic when compared to compared to what other QB’s posted. So you run for 1000k yards once and you think you started it all? Too bad you forget to mention that in your best rushing seasons, you could only complete 52-54% of your passes and your were/ are a turnover machine. What a joke. Do you know who you compare to? Tim Tebow. Be proud.

  46. Is there anything wrong with giving Vick his props? From the note above, plenty of HOF classic pocket passers don’t have rings either.

  47. @cguy7 . . .I agree with you . . . .Young was probably faster than Vick . . .and as far as a passer . . hhhmmmm . . .Young has a little edge there . . . . .Vick revolutionized nothing except to set a new standard for quarterbacks being convicted of felonies . . . . and maybe for showing others how to squander their wealth.

    Vick = idiot

  48. Its great to run, and MV can run. In the NFL, you have to pass better than you run. That’s been Michael’s weakness. Consistently making good throws and passing up the occasional run is where Michael needs to be. The man can still play.

  49. A level of ignorance previously thought unattainable. Congratulations dog murderer.

  50. Please…No offense to Vick, but Randall Cunningham is the player that really revolutionized the running QB position. He was the first QB that was the best athlete on his team. Without Randall, Vick would be playing WR or RB.

  51. The guy who really started the running QB fad was Kordell Stewart. He may have been the best at it too. It’s unbelievable that the Steelers didn’t run him more often, especially considering the other option was a bounce pass.

  52. Frank Tarkenton??? Steve Young!!!! Really???

    This guy is an idiot!!!

    He pioneered the idea of professional athletes that went to jail for cruelty to animals.

  53. let’s not dislocate the shoulder with the self back patting. long before the lateral pass became part of the game QB’s were running the option. Vick was fun to watch, but it wasn’t revolutionary. Had he been a more effective pocket passer with those scrambling skills his career would be in a different place.

  54. Running QBs don’t win championships … QBs with brains win championships.

  55. An inferior quarterback who has and will never be anything in this league. Vick can only sit back and watch Teddy Bridgewater win multiple Super Bowls while he sits at home the first weekend in February. #teddyiathesavior

  56. Wow he is pretty conceited, but no vick the guy that started the running QB was Bobby Douglas, who’s record of 948 rushing yards in one season stood for 34 years. And he did it in 2 less games than vick.

  57. I remember Fran Tarkenton praising Michael after every game for Vick having taught Fran how to run.

    In other news, doing crack is dangerous.

  58. Those other guys are all quarterbacks who can run. Vick did start the trend of running backs that throw.

  59. Let him have his glory! He may not have been the 1st to run, but he pioneered the game. Defenses needed to completely change their gameplan against him

  60. Ask Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham if you started it all. My god, it never ends with this guy.

  61. What a ego maniac. It sounds like he sincerely believes that nonsense. Randall Cunningham was every bit the runner Vick was; the difference being Cunningham could actually play the position properly. I remember a Monday nighter against the Bears i believe that was one of the most exciting regular season games I’ve ever seen. All due to the running or st that time “scrambling” ability of Cunningham. Hey Vick, there was an NFL before you & I’ll reserve my harsh opinions of you but suffice it to say i don’t believe you’ve contributed anything to professional football or to the actual definition of “professional”. If i was king of the world you wouldn’t have gotten a 2nd chance. I’ll get off my soapbox now but its statements like this from Vick that is a constant reminder of his true character.

  62. As a Philly Phan..we all had the chance to see 3 of the best running ( now called mobile) QB’s to ever do it (Randall, Mcnabb, Vick)..bt to say he was the first..no..sorry mike. That would be Fran Tarkenton. Who basicly ran for his life..not yards. I will admit though Vick was the best at it, But Randall was the most fun to watch. For the comment above about Running “mobile” QB’s not winning. See Russell Wilson, Steve Young, Roger Staubach, with several QB’s reaching the SuperBowl who were mobile but didn’t lose it because of that ie. Steve McNair ( who almost beat a VERY good Rams team) McNabb ( who almost beat a Very good New England team) Tarkenton ( who by bad luck faced some of the best teams in history)…I’m sure we will start seeing QB’s who are mobile like even Andrew Luck even winning some future SuperBowls

  63. Cunningham, Tarkenton and Steve Young never ran the read option in the NFL. Vick was the 1st one to make it dangerous at the pro level. Those 3 didn’t have that speed. Those 3 were also great passers too. After his return, Vick started to develop in Philly and by then it was too late in his career with the injuries. Say what you want but the dual threat QBs are here to stay. Cam, Kaepernick, Luck, RGIII, & Wilson.

  64. Tarkenton; Staubach, Douglass, Cunningham, Young, McNair, Culpepper, McNabb are all running QB’s who did it before Vick, and most of them could ALSO pass the ball as well, unlike him! And only two, Staubach & Young, have SB Rings. Wilson in Seattle, though after Vick, I would add to this list, and he has a ring of course, and is a way superior passer than Vick ever was!

  65. Steve Young — how can you forget him?

    OK Mike, you are a great running QB, maybe a great running QB, but you did not change the game.

  66. Actually u didnt start it vick
    Theres this guy named randall Cunningham
    Steve young n tarkenton
    U were first with blazing speed at the qb spot
    Only if u coulda outran cops when they busted u on dog charges
    This guy has done nothing in league
    Over rated
    Ok he won a few games not the big game

  67. If you’d rather have a conventional QB like Brady or Peyton Manning, how could Vick have revolutionized the game?

    If anyone’s going to revolutionize the game, it’s going to be Russell Wilson. The next under-sized QB who has all the attributes except height won’t have to wait to the third round to get drafted.

  68. 2: Steve young and Russell Wilson

    How many of those running quarterbacks have championship rings?

  69. That would be like Allen Iverson saying he invented the crossover dribble (Tim Hardaway), just because he was great at it doesn’t mean he started it.

  70. Wasn’t Scrabling Randle Cunningham before him? I know there were others besides him. Maybe he meant running QB like ” I can’t see players getting open so I’ll just run”. Ya know what? You’re still garbage. You started it all, all right. You never lived up to your own hype. Just go away please

  71. He obviously doesn’t remember the QB’s from the
    30’s and 40’s who ran the ball many times a game.
    Nice to think the game started when he(Vick) entered the league.
    His memory has gone to the dogs……………………….!

  72. Randall Cunningham was before you Vick, and there were some before him as Im sure.

  73. Willie Beamen also said that he would ‘revolutionize the game’. Of course Beamen in the movie was better than Ron Mexico ever was in his career.

  74. I don’t think it’s the running he will be remembered for. Kudos for turning his idiot lifestyle around, but he should be humble and grateful to have even gotten the opportunity to add to those totals the last few years

  75. That’s a lot of self-serving bragging. Who does this guy think he is……Adrian Peterson?

  76. f1restarter says:
    Jun 20, 2014 9:54 PM
    How many of those running quarterbacks have championship rings?
    Good question. John Elway, Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson have a few among them.

    A better question is how many “statues” don’t have championship rings? There are a hellava lot more of them without rings, than the mobile guys, right?

  77. No, Vick, you were just the first guy to throw away a hundred million dollars and a couple years of your life to fight dogs.

  78. you also the first qb to start your own criminal empire in which illegal gambling, selling drugs and murdering innocent dogs, which will always make you a low life loser in my eyes

  79. True mike, but you got nothing to show for it bc that’s all you could do. You are a RB that was too soft, so they stuck you at QB and hope nobody noticed you couldn’t throw. Actual QBs that learned the position such as Steve Young also ran well, maybe better, but could THROW the ball as well. Prob why he has a bit more success. Good to know Mike Vick is thinking about Mike Vick in legendary terms. You are your biggest fan. You were just fast. That is all.

  80. jerseyjoe47 says:
    Jun 20, 2014 9:53 PM
    “I scramble like Randall Cunning-Ham, the only thing running is numbers FAM”


  81. No one ever said he was a mental giant. What about Randall Cunningham, Einstien? This guy had a couple good games with the Eagles and he has “Allusions of grandeur.”

  82. skolvikesskol says:
    Jun 20, 2014 11:14 PM
    Every qb before around 1913… Then reinvented by Tarkenton. Then perfected by Steve Young and Randal Cunningham. They could also read defenses and were far more accurate and went to a bunch of superbowls…. THEN came Ron Mexico and pretty much ruined it for future running qbs, because he never won anything.
    ____________________________________When the heck did Randall Cunningham go to a bunch of superbowls? Eagles fans would like to wake up this morning and see that the nightmare is over. Too bad.

  83. Nick Foles has done more in less than a full season as a QB than Vick has done in any season in his career.

    I can’t believe teams wasted all that money on Vick even with his physical talent. He even admitted in his autobiography (ghost written of course) that he never studied, always lied to the coach and basically did what he wanted on the field.

    Yet people still defend him for being a coach killer. Vick has been and always will be about himself, having a good time, and trying to figure out what sucker will be wowed enough by an empty ESPN highlight to throw more millions at him.

    The only reason the Eagles signed him out of jail was because 2 of Reids kids were drug addicts and Reid was all about redemption because of that.

    The $100 million contract for a QB who had no desire or ability to read defenses was just plain insane.

  84. You had to be a running QB with those little tiny baby hands of yours. You and Bilgewater can get together and compare hand sizes and sucktitude.

  85. Arrogant jerk. Cunningham, Steve McNair and Steve Young did a much more to change the game then you did. Animal killer should still be in Jail

  86. As so many have pointed out he certainly wasn’t the first, but those first few years he was absolutely the best running QB ever. It was exciting to watch him play, every snap you were hoping the play broke down and he would tuck it and run. His speed was electrifying.

  87. Randall Cunningham had some impressive running ability. So did Steve Young. There was a guy before my time (Bobby Douglass) who rushed for nearly 1,000 yards in a 14 game season.

    I credit Vick for taking ownership of his egregious behavior with dogs — that was beyond despicable, but he took full accountability, was very remorseful and has gone the extra extra mile since to look out for dogs and make amends.

    Vick’s also been a great teammate since his return – he deserves a lot of credit for that too.

    And though Vick authored some absolutely spectacular plays on the ground, I do think there were some other special QBs who could use their legs.

    And Vick’s harmless comments here are not as anywhere near as offensive as Bradshaw’s “Peyton is great if you like losing Super Bowls” dig. I’m a Steelers fan from western PA — and it doesn’t sit well that Bradshaw, who is pushing 70 now, continues to show the immaturity and childish nature of a self-absorbed teenager. Take a cue from Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, etc. – and just let your play do the talking, while what comes out of your piehole is classy and respectful.

  88. What Michael Vick would’ve said about his legacy if he was completely genuine:

    “It’s true that I am a player who changed the game for running quarterbacks. Players like Randall Cunningham, Steve Young and Steve McNair opened the door and changed the game for me and then I kicked the door wide open. Unfortunately, my legacy also includes bad decisions I made off the field and things I did. In fact, that’s the only part of my legacy many people know about … and I regret that.”

  89. Vick is dumb, as usual.
    I guess he never heard of Bobby Douglass, Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham, or Steve Young.
    Vick will be remembered for one thing, and we all know it had nothing to do with football.

  90. How does a player who is used to getting attention, but is currently getting no attention, get attention? This comment by Vick.

    (Golf clap) congratulations Michael, you just successfully trolled the entire NFL media complex.

  91. vick invented the running qb….chris johnson will get 2000 yrs…

    god bless the jets. this is rex’s last yr. new eng’s div again, for the umpteenth time, unless ej manuel breaks out and buff makes some noise.

  92. Obviously, Vick is delusional. Sure, he can run, but a lot of people can. The fact is that he wouldn’t have had as many yards if he could read defenses and find receivers.

    I think Vick is the only one who sees Vick as a great QB. The reporters are just doing what they are trained to do, make a mountain out of a molehill.

    I’m not sure why anyone would want him on their team, except perhaps a team like the Jets that can’t find anyone other than a so-so QB to play.

    Admittedly, I’m undecided on whether I wish he’d just quit or play for another 60 years. I fear that once he stops playing, he’ll go back to his other profession. After all, he’s never really apologized nor seemed to have shown any recognition that dog fighting is mean and cruel. I always thought that the appropriate punishment would have been to round up all the participants and set up the same system: each week that have dual matches to the death. Could show it on live cable TV and make a lot of money!

  93. I wish he would be quiet. Every time tired old pathetic Francis Tarkenton FINALLY shuts his yapper, someone says something like this and his geriatric old keister gets his dander up again, and he’s like a 3 year old at Christmas…just giddy to be relevant for 5 more minutes. Sad

  94. The only things Mike Vick will ever get credit for is getting injured in the season and cruelty to animals. Doesn’t matter if he served his time. He’s a loser.

  95. Wow. It was only a year ago that people were telling Eagles fans to quit complaining about Michael Vick and that we would miss him if we got rid of him and Nick Foles was starting.

    We were told that we didn’t properly appreciate him. A year later those same people always knew that Vick sucked and can’t remember what they were saying 1 year ago.

  96. He certainly wasn’t the first and won’t be the last. The next run-first QB to win the SB will be the first. Yeah, Steve Young won, but he wasn’t a run-first guy…he was a pass-first guy. After that, there’s no one. McNair if he had won? Nope, he was pass-first at that stage of his career.

    All Mike did was tease us. Great runner, great arm, lousy passer, not QB-smart. Gives guys like Vince Young a chance. VY had highlight plays too – every great athlete does – but did not have the QB smarts to play the position. It’s a prerequisite – yeah, you need an arm too, but not too many have both.

    Mike is delusional. He changed the game only in showing how much off-the-field matters.

    Jim Mora, Sr. said it best: “Coach-killer”.

  97. Vick was a one dimensional player who showed he could not consistently make the big throws or develop the ability to be effective in the pocket. Even after he suffered injury after injury he could not develop his passing game. He was an explosive runner and could occasional hit the big pass, but you knew this guy never had what it took to play three good games against three good teams to win a Super Bowl.

  98. NY Jets, Hands on favorites for the loudest and most self proclaimed best at everything team in the NFL….
    To bad that transitions to how many playoff wins?

  99. Not to often do you hear teams already bringing up the past before the season even starts…I guess they won’t be winning this season then.

  100. I’m pretty sure Vick invented the 1 read offense. Is Algae open? No. Run!

  101. As far as I’m concerned, Randall Cunningham was the best at that skill. No other QB before or since could run as good as he could. And he had a great arm and could punt also. But his downfall was that the offense was too improvisational and he generally had terrible offensive lines to work behind.

  102. He may be the precursor to the modern day hybrid QB – but that’s it. Guys like Newton and Kapernik and Wilson are all better than him at completing games they start and winning them too – Vick’s a great athlete and all but injury and prison time kept him from achieving what he wanted to as a QB
    I’m a Packers fan and I’ll always remember how good he was when he beat GB in GB in the cold in the playoffs on his first try – sky was definitely the limit back then

  103. I certainly agree about that Madden comment… it was completely unfair to play with the Falcons back in the day. Vick was unstoppable. And he is arguably the best running QB of all/time, but he certainly didn’t start it; I mean McNabb and Cunningham, two of his predecessors with the Birds, were both scary dual-threats during their respective primes.

  104. Michael Vick twice played in the same offense that made Super Bowl champs out of mobile QB’s like Montana, Young & Elway. In Atlanta with Jim Mora Jr, & in Philly with Andy. Vick failed in both spots miserably & both coaches that started him in those offensive schemes got fired. He played originally in a version of an offense that made a 2 time SB champion out of scrambling/mobile Roger Staubach & Elway piloted to 4 SB’s. Vick failed miserably there as well, getting Reeves fired in Atlanta. But according to Vick “The things I’ve done, I’ve pretty much surpassed myself and expectations”. Although he is a playoff failure (2-3 lifetime), he’s exceeded his expectations. That statement perfectly explains why every coach that has believed in Michael Vick has lost their job over it.

  105. Steve Young roasting the Vikings for a 50 yard touchdown in the late 80s says Vick is full of crap. Unlike Vick, Young figured out that you had to be able to throw the football with accuracy too.

  106. ahhhhh how about Randall Cunningham, Kordell Stewart, Steve Young, sory Mike but you not only did not invent the Running QB but there’s a long line of much better ones ahead of you so go ahead and take your spot in the line and settle on being nothing more than a medicore player!

  107. What is it about the Jets that turn people into sound bite buffoons. Why do you think the elite players never talk about themselves like that. Maybe people don’t need reminding how good they were or are.

  108. The forward pass was not part of the original game. What does Vick think they did before that???

  109. He’s not saying he’s the first running QB in existence, you dolts. He’s saying he started the TREND. Mobile QBs are kind of the next thing, and to Vick’s credit, he did change the way game is played.

  110. Bobby Douglas and a Young Steve Grogan

    Grogan called his own plays and at least made it to a Super Bowl.

    Vick’s sense of history starts when he was born.

  111. His time in ATL he was more of a glorified RB playing QB. He was told to run first pass second . He only threw the ball for an avg of 19.6 times a game. But…, When he came to Philly he was coached to be a QB first. Meaning pass first. The results were better then most give him credit for. In 4 seasons in Philly ( I didn’t include year 1 where he was the 3rd string QB and only threw the ball 9 times and rushed it 17). His Philly QB Stats are pretty amazing. He threw for 10,000 yrds with 57 TD’s to 33 INT’s with an avg QB rating of 88.6. He ran the ball for 1,900 yrds with another 13 TD’s. If he wasn’t wasted away in ATL and was used as Andy Reid used him He would be around 240 TD passes. Which is more then alot of Hall Of fame QB’s. Not to mention his rushing ability.

  112. wonder what Fran and Roger the Dodger have to say on this subject?

    Clearly, THEY were the first.

    What a dope.

  113. In 13 years in the NFL, Vick has 5,857 yards rushing and 21,489 yards passing for 128 TDs and 85 INTs. Vick has started 107 regular season games producing 58 wins, 48 losses and one tie.

    In 18 years in the NFL, Tarkenton had 3674 yards rushing and 47,003 yards passing for 342 TDs and 266 INTs. Tarkenton started 239 regular season games producing 124 wins, 109 losses and 6 ties.

    Based on their stats, there is no doubt that Tarkenton is vastly superior to Vick. Vick is dreaming in his own dream world, again.

  114. You people who keep raising Vick’s conviction for dog-fighting should give it a rest. Vick admitted what he did, paid his debt to society and appears to be living life on the straight-and-narrow. What more do you want from him? Blood?

  115. Tark 518 winning pct 196ypg 15ryd
    MV7 .532 winning pct 197ypg 53ryd
    Tark didn’t have a winning season for 1st3 seasons as a starter
    MV7 didn’t have a losing season 1st3 seasons as a starter
    Tark much more durable rarely missed a start MV7 rarely completed a season.
    Tark threw a lot of picks unlike MV7 and was somewhat erratic as a passer until late in his career had his 1st 60% season at 33 Vick had his 1st at30.
    The idea that Vick is an awful player stinking up the league is wrong and the idea Tark was a dominant player and Vick can hold his jockstrap is wrong.
    If Vick continues to play he will become a really good passer.

  116. Vick may have given a jumpstart to the very recent trend of mobile QBs, but he didn’t start it. There were many good mobile QBs before him; like Steve Young.

    While Vick may have put mobile QBs back in mind, it’s probably Aaron Rodgers which solidified the rise of the mobile QB.

  117. In a way, Michael Vick is right. He took the idea of running quarterback so far that he believed he needed no other teammates to help him out.

    He’s the first of one type of quarterback — “coach killer.” Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, and Randall Cunningham were not nearly as successful at killing careers.

    Michael Vick is in the medieval astronomer class. The entire universe revolves around him no matter what those so-called experts say.

  118. Lesson, children….
    before the 1978 implementation of the Mel Blount Rule, all QB’s did some running…..passing didn’t really come into vogue in the NFL until the 60’s even with a few passers here and there like Johnny U and YA Tittle, Sammy Baugh and Bobby Lane, they still ran some….thus the name 1/4 back, you know…. like 1/2 back, fullback…. starting to get it?

    its sad todays fan seems to know so little of football history….
    Passing didn’t become the rage until really, the Air Coryell days of the AFL along with Paul Brown’s new west coast offense which was taken to new hieghts by his former OC Bill Walsh, Coryell assistant the latew great CHuck Noll didn’t do too bad with a guy named Bradshaw, nor Landry’s Cryboys, and we can’t forget Oakland’s Mad Bombers under AL Davis and later Madden…..Minnesota had great success with guys who could do both like Tarkenton and Joe Kapp. before that it was pretty much Woody Hayes football across the land
    Very disappointing that an employee of the NFL and the game of Football knows so little of the history or the game itself.
    being from the 2 week memory generation is no excuse either as this info is available to anybody who wishes to learn
    I doubt Vick’s #’s are that far off of any QB’s of the 60’s-mid 70’s…and I can’t leave out a guy named Archie Manning who also did pretty well as a complete player for what his position called for.

  119. Big Ben probably has probably 3x the rushing yards of Vick if you count all the side to side and backwards behind the line running he’s done to find an open WR (something Vick does at less the 50% accuracy) and has over 1000 positive rushing yards at the size and speed of an average DE…..just off the top of my head, but I pretty sure Bradshaw had close to 3000 rushing yards in his career and was definitely not known as a “running QB” just being a QB has been good enough for the historically winning QB’s in this league

  120. somebody made an ignorant comment about the read option as if its something new…..

    until 1978 the option was the most used offense in football (all levels) finding a passer was harder to do then than finding a glorified RB to throw when Vick came out

  121. 2 words – Fran Tarkenton.
    He led the Vikings to 3 Super Bowls.
    How many Super Bowls have you attended, Mr. Vick. That is, except as a spectator.

  122. I didn’t know Vick played in the era before the Forward Pass was allowed. Back then EVERY QB was a running QB.

    Just because you ran around a lot because your field vision was too poor to make a proper read and throw the ball doesn’t mean you changed the game. Your impact didn’t lead to anything because while you were out running around you also were getting your head knocked off and getting injured all the time.

    You changed nothing. Teams know they can’t with with a run first QB. You HAVE to be able to pass and if you have mobility and can run around some, that’s just a bonus.

  123. What about Steve Young? His game winning scramble vs. the Vikings was classic.

  124. I can’t believe i’m saying so, but Kordell Stewart was a far more accomplished “running QB” than Vick is at this point; Stewart took the Steelers to two AFCCG’s and several great seasons. If he’d had a longer career he might have even won a SB [though the *Patriots might have stolen one in ’01 ;-).

    Anyway, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham and others might have a bit of a disagreement with Mr. Vick.

    Oh- and none of those guys had a hobby of killing man’s best friend…

  125. AS an Eagle Fan I am astonished Vick would say that. I am sure when he passed Cunningham’s jersey or noticed his name in the Ring of Honor he has to have a realization of who he was. Not only Cunningham, Mcnair, McNabb, Young, Stewart, Tarkenton just to name a few.

    Vick stop trying to put yourself up on the pedestal and be who you are. Be the legend you became and your game will over shadow any comments that you or the public have.

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