Cris Carter thinks the Browns should cut Josh Gordon

AP

Cris Carter was once a lot like Josh Gordon: One of the most talented receivers in the NFL, but on the verge of throwing his career away because of substance abuse. Carter says what finally made him realize that he has to get clean was the Eagles cutting him, and he hopes Gordon goes through the same thing.

“I feel for the kid,” Carter said on Mike & Mike. “My situation was very, very similar. If I’m the Cleveland Browns — and it’s gut-wrenching for me to say this — I really think that the only thing that’s going to help the kid is if they release him.”

Carter has said many times that when his coach in Philadelphia, Buddy Ryan, booted him off the team, that was what made Carter realize that he had to get help.

“When they took that away, that was my reality, and that was the catalyst to get me on the road to recovery,” Carter said.

Carter suspects that the people around Gordon are coddling him, rather than telling him that his only option is to enter treatment for substance abuse.

“We’re dealing with addiction,” Carter said. “We’re dealing with a disease. If Josh had cancer we’d put him in a treatment center. And right now that’s what we need to do for him. But no one wants to do the hard thing. Everyone wants to keep coddling him, the same way they did in high school, the same thing they did at Baylor, where he had problems. Eventually it’s going to blow up. Now it’s blowing up in the National Football League, and his career is in jeopardy.”

Whether the Browns cut Gordon or not, he is unlikely to play this year, as he is facing a yearlong suspension. The biggest question is whether Gordon will ever get the kind of help he needs to return to football and become the kind of player Cris Carter was, or if he is going to let his substance-abuse issues derail his NFL career, and his life.

163 responses to “Cris Carter thinks the Browns should cut Josh Gordon

  1. Cancer is a disease. I’m tired of people saying how that drug/alcohol abuse is a disease.

    It’s called self control.

  2. If pot was legal – as it should be – we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

  3. It worked for Carter. I hope Gordon can come back at some point and finish his career like Carter did.

  4. I hope they cut him, Minnesota seems to be a good landing spot for him. Pair him with Patterson in a year and he’s good!

  5. If a lack of common sense and a lack or personal accountability is a sickness then yes, Carter is right and this is a sickness. I doubt he has an addiction, he just doesn’t care.

    Was Cris Carter kicked out of 2 college programs for testing positive for drugs? Seems Josh was and because of his talents has had more opportunity to fix himself.

    Because you test positive for dope doesn’t make you addicted. Half the people posting here would probably test positive and aren’t any kind of addict. No, Josh Gordon just needs to be a man for once in his life.

  6. They should. Eagles lost out on a HOF wr when they cut chris carter, but he should have been cut and needed it. just ask Carter himself.

  7. Pot is illegal and makes people fat, lazy, and unproductive. People who smoke it are a dredge on society and are generally losers.

  8. Gordon has a very Browns-friendly contract. It makes sense for the Browns to keep him and see if he can straighten his life out. If he does, he can be a tremendous asset to the Browns. If they cut him, they run the risk of seeing him succeed in another city and wonder what could have been.

  9. @intelligent cement

    Words cannot begin to describe the sheer and utter ignorance of that statement. It’s completely disrespectful to the countless people who have fallen into the dark grips of addiction.

    That said, Josh Gordon smokes pot and got caught having a few drinks behind the wheel. Calling that an addiction is also disrespectful to those suffering from true alcohol of drug addictions.

  10. Can’t wait to see how many thumbs down the davewr58 guy above gets for his sentiment endorsing maryjane being illegal.

  11. Cris Carter was right for Cris Carter. As usual, Cris Carter doesn’t know what’s going on as far as any other player is concerned.

  12. This guy is faking a drug addiction!
    This is nothing but a creative way to get out of Factory of Sadness. It is another vote of no confidence for Johnny Basketball – I mean Johnny Football.

  13. It’s not a disease. Sometimes bad things happen when we take risks. But you didn’t exactly catch it.

  14. Stunzeed- isnt it the persons choice of poor diet, choice to sit on comfortable couches and beds, and choice to surf internet and tv that make people fat, lazy and unproductive?

    That’s a real 2014 blame-someone/something-else comment you made there… Fits in great on this website.

  15. No one can help Gordon at this point.

    They might as well cut him and only sign him back if he’s on a sobriety track after doing well with another team.

    No one wanted him in a trade.

    You know what would also help Cleveland?
    Firing Kyle Shanahan too.

    He’s a bigger mistake than Gordon could ever be.

  16. ” It makes sense for the Browns to keep him and see if he can straighten his life out. If he does, he can be a tremendous asset to the Browns. If they cut him, they run the risk of seeing him succeed in another city and wonder what could have been.”

    _________________________________

    The Browns have suffered enough with watching success in another City (Baltimore). They have had enough of that for a lifetime.

  17. Carter is right, but that doesn’t mean it won’t hurt the Browns more than Gordon… someone will want him bad enough and put up with him until he kills himself or gets life. If the owners agreed in meetings to blacklist him so that the Browns aren’t getting played by circumstance, then I would say go for it.

  18. How does cutting him help anyone? Take away his drug tests and who knows where Gordon would wind up.

  19. People like Gordon can cost people their jobs, but not replacing or making the team less dependent on a guy like should get a GM fired.

    Having fewer picks do that and that’s why Holmgren was booted out of Cleveland. Emery could be the next.

  20. maybe Chris should raise his own son…..or , i dont’ know, reflect on his pro career a bit

  21. Thanks for stating the obvious, Cris. However, coming from you, this means little. You and a couple others on that four letter network have kept me from watching pregame commentary. I just wait until kickoff. Now, go away.

  22. browns wont cut him..wanna know why? cause he can play football. forget about trying to help him be a better person, they cant let another team pick him up and risk losing out. its the NFL’s fault. they need to sit this kid down and set an example.

  23. Not all users are addicts. However, when you are talking about someone that has so much on the line and is not able to stop, it does look very much like addiction. It could very well be that he has a genetic disposition to addiction. It could also be just as likely that he is used to being given a pass based on his talent and doesn’t understand the gravity of this situation.

    Either way, a wake up call might just help him from throwing away what has all the signs of a very promising career.

  24. Well Farmer was hired in March and didn’t trade him in March, and Jimmy didn’t trade him last year when he should have, so hopefully for the Browns they made a wise decision to keep him instead of cashing him in. And they need to still make up the value for his usage of last year that ended up going right down the drain. They could have got paid for that time instead of incurring the cost.

  25. When Carter got cut, they didn’t have the option to suspend him for a year. He was picked up right away and continued to play and get paid. You’d think a year-long suspension would be a more effective deterrent than just going to another team.

  26. Some of us remember Chris Carter being exactly like Josh Gordon is today.

    Exactly.

  27. stunzeed5 says: Jul 7, 2014 1:13 PM

    Pot is illegal and makes people fat, lazy, and unproductive. People who smoke it are a dredge on society and are generally losers.
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    ok Bill O’Reilly…

  28. stunzeed5 says: Jul 7, 2014 1:13 PM

    Pot is illegal and makes people fat, lazy, and unproductive. People who smoke it are a dredge on society and are generally losers.

    ———————————————————

    Say that to Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and our last 3 presidents…

  29. I heard this on the radio on the way into work this morning. Carter is right on. Gordon is a top-tier talent, but you can’t use that talent if you can’t get on the field.

    I wish Gordon the best of luck, and I hope he wakes up to reality very soon.

  30. A glaring difference between the substance abuse policies for the NFL & MLB is that MLB does not test for marijuana once you are on the protected 40 man roster. It’s one of the few areas that the MLB is more progressive than the NFL.

  31. So, it was a wake-up call for Cris Carter. What if Gordon is cut, and it triggers a downward spiral of depression, self-loathing and animosity towards the world? Just because you responded that way,Cris, does not mean everyone else will. Each individual responds differently to circumstances.

  32. ravens634 says:Jul 7, 2014 1:25 PM

    browns wont cut him..wanna know why? cause he can play football. forget about trying to help him be a better person, they cant let another team pick him up and risk losing out. its the NFL’s fault. they need to sit this kid down and set an example.

    I agree 100%. And if smoking weed gets you a year ban, how long should Ray Rice be suspended for hitting a woman? The punishment ought to be at least that long.

  33. Carter had a famous family member so its safe to say he probably had a decent support system at that time. In 2014 most employers offer EAP for help with problems. Gordon is pretty much on his own with this. He must take the steps to get help.

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  35. To be honest, I really can’t stand Carter (or any of the countdown crew) as an analyst, but this was a very astute and personal observation he made. Enough with the “he has to have help”. He has help. He has to WANT the help. Maybe getting cut will wake him up like it did Carter.

  36. Different people respond to different things, but let’s be real – he is being entitled right now. I don’t think that they should cut him.

    @intelligent cement
    It isn’t about “self control” because additctions override self control. Addicts get addicted to that feeling. It attacks when lonely, bored. It runs like Jadeveon Clowney while the runner runs like an offensive lineman. The problem is that he has to want it.

    Being released helped Carter, but only because he was ready. I think the greatest challenge is his circle. Why do former drug addicts have a tough time kicking the habit? Because they continue around the same circle of friends.

    After I got out of the Navy it is the toughest thing I had done. I had to surround myself with people who were doing better, people who wanted more than just to hang out. I hate waking up and having to go to work, but I am happy to have a job, and the people I was hanging with before didn’t. You can’t hang around me if you don’t do anything but hang around me.

  37. 1. Morons point out how some people smoked pot and succeeded in some facet of their life. The pot didn’t help.
    2. Cancer is not the same as addiction. People are aware that pot, cigarettes, and alcohol are addictive. When they choose to indulge, it’s on them. No one chooses to have cancer, save the kind brought on by tobacco. You don’t smoke or drink, you don’t get addicted. Period. Know your weaknesses.
    3. If your entire life will be set as a result of your athleticism, don’t make dumb choices that will cost you so much. If the rule is no pot, then don’t smoke. When the rule is changed, then dope it up.
    4. And if murder was legalized, we would have fewer criminals. If all traffic laws were removed, we would have fewer citations. The point about legalization shouldn’t be centered on this kind of logic.
    5. Lastly, most pot-heads I know are lazy and unproductive. Though this is anecdotal, it’s backed by over a hundred such anecdotes and by talking to people in the medical profession. This is not a right- or left-wing position, it’s an observation on human behavior.

  38. @iloveagoodnap –

    As someone who HAS been in the ‘dark grips of addiction’, and come clean through self management, I stand firm in my beliefs. Drug abuse of any kind is just that – abuse.

    Go stand in a children’s cancer ward and get yourself humbled.

  39. @ blacknole08

    And say it to all the losers I’ve seen drop out of school and all the lazy chumps who produce nothing. There are always exceptions to the rule. Last I checked, weed is hardly a mental enhancer and motivational product. It’s incredibly easy to spot the pot smokers in the classroom.

  40. POT is Not the issue….The issue is Gordon general attitude towards authority, and his continued breaking of team and NFL regulations.

    POT is not the issue…..He is a grown adult with such a taxing job physically, who cares if smokes a plant that makes him hurt less and feel a little silly. And for anyone who wants to make the argument that POT makes you lazy and unproductive, i would like to remind who the NFL league leader was in rec yardage and 20 yard+ plays……Josh Gordon…..so the hard numbers in this particular case does NOT support that argument.

    POT is not the issue…….As the case is made this last weekend when he got arrested for DUI, there was no mention of POT being on his person or in his system.

    POT is not the issue……the issue is whether or not the NFL and team regulations are so far reaching that players choose to ignore them {and risk losing millions of dollars} or are the players themselves just so far out of sync with reality and any sane person would know that expecting a person so diluted to make responsible decisions is in itself…..insane.

  41. I wonder how many judgmental people posting on this site ever unsuccessfully tried to quit smoking or drinking.

    A drug is a drug, and addiction is addiction folks, legal or not.

    Get off your high horses.

  42. Hey PFT, your thumbs up and thumbs down are disabled and not showing.

  43. I don’t know if cutting the guy will have the same impact on Gordon as it did for Cris Carter– This is a different era of Pro Football…

    Most/All of these guys know they will get another shot with a different team…

    If the realistic likelihood of a year-long suspension (something that didn’t seem to exist when Carter played) doesn’t get this kid’s attention, then I don’t think a change from Cleveland to another team will have any more impact.

    The one thing I agree with is that it seems there is nobody close to this kid (which he is…a KID) giving him any real advice on where he needs to be (rehabilitation).

  44. This coming from the guy who said Calvin Johnson wasn’t the best receiver in the league, just before he nearly eclipsed 2000 yards receiving in a season. While Carter may be correct that the Browns may have to cut Josh Gordon for him to ‘get it’ and clean up his act, we are NOT talking about a disease. Addiction is a CHOICE. A person must take specific actions in order to become addicted to a substance. Avoid the actions, you avoid the issue. Diseases don’t work that way.

  45. All this if pot was legal stuff. Alcohol is Legal and when they get busted drunk they get in trouble as well. Legal or not isn’t the issue. The issue is that the contract allows the owners to suspend. Players agreed to it because they choose more money over more control.

  46. The kid needs professional help and what worked for Chris (getting cut) may not for Josh. Some of you on here have more compassion for dogs and logos than your fellow human being. Browns owe Gordon some help at the very least.

  47. So many trolls in the world.

    People act like they had money riding on Josh Gordons behavior.

    Get over yourselves.

  48. So self proclaimed HOF’ er through the sources at ESPN is now the big time authority how trouble makers should be dealt with. He should talk to his buddy Sapp.

  49. coffeeblack95616 says: Jul 7, 2014 1:45 PM

    5. Lastly, most pot-heads I know are lazy and unproductive. Though this is anecdotal, it’s backed by over a hundred such anecdotes and by talking to people in the medical profession. This is not a right- or left-wing position, it’s an observation on human behavior.

    I have found just the opposite. Most pot-heads I know own businesses, are CEO’s, Managers, very successful people. I think there are both sides, just like people who drink, people who cheer for the Vikings, and so on. There is good and bad, just a little more bad, so it ruins it for the rest of the people who are recreational about it.

  50. Why cut him….he costs NO MONEY while he is suspended for the year…if he cleans up his act & stays clean for the year then take him back…obviously with conditions…dude is an animal if he can screw his head on straight…if he continues to get in trouble he won’t be re-instated anyways…let the NFL make the decision for you with their rules!

  51. Carter benefited from someone sticking with him and now he’s ready to leave Gordon to his own devices. Get up ther and pull the ladder up.

    That’s so Clarence Thomas of him.

  52. Browns would take a cap hit by cutting him. You guys think too much with emotions and not with your brain. Sure, he’s gonna get the 1 year suspension…but they don’t have to pay him. If he cleans up for a year he’ll be back – if not he’s gone. There is NO reason to cut him….NONE, other than emotional…and YOU DON’T RUN A TEAM ON EMOTIONS….YOU RUIN A TEAM RUNNING IT ON EMOTIONS. Think like an owner rather than an over emotional house wife.

  53. @ coffeeblack95616 

    @ blacknole08

    @ davewr372

    Are you the guys that think someone should be sent to jail for smoking a plant that they feel makes their life better?

    If so, you guys are the ones with the problem. Everyone is their own individual person. Unless they are causing harm to someone or their property, people aren’t criminals.

  54. if they cut him I would like to be the team that gets him when he gets his act together

    league should somehow protect Cleveland but letting them cut him…. but giving them ability/priority to resign him if…..

    feel bad for Browns.. kind of in a no win situation here… and now it looks like their QB of the future is an alt lifestyler bent on being a celeb vs football player

  55. godofwine330 says: Jul 7, 2014 1:40 PM

    After I got out of the Navy it is the toughest thing I had done. I had to surround myself with people who were doing better, people who wanted more than just to hang out. I hate waking up and having to go to work, but I am happy to have a job, and the people I was hanging with before didn’t. You can’t hang around me if you don’t do anything but hang around me.

    ************

    Wow this story sounds so familiar. My best friend from high school and I got out of the military about the same time. The guys we used to hang with were still doing the same thing as when we left. Nothing… I made a new life for myself with new friends and he didn’t. I saw in the local paper a while back that he was sentenced to 5 years for possession with intent….

  56. As a Bengal fan I’ve seen this all before. Are we looking at another Chris Henry?

  57. I’m not going to say weed should be legalized but it IS curing cancer sooooooo….yeah…

    Carter should shut up (as usual). Go to a rehab center and ask someone addicted to COCAINE if a weed addiction is anywhere as bad as a coke addiction. They’ll laugh harder than I am the notion right now.

  58. Regardless, the Browns ought to consider hiring a chauffeur and nanny/bodyguard for Gordon and Manziel.

    It should be someone in the Mr. T mold who won’t shy away from tough love but will still pity those fools enough to take them to and from work and keep them out of trouble.

  59. Getting cut worked for Cris Carter.

    That doesn’t mean it would work for Josh Gordon.

    Carter doesn’t see this situation the way it is; Carter sees this situation the way he was.

  60. Coming from Chris Carter (credibility issues) doesn’t mean much. But I’ll say this, Josh better smarten up in his year off or he’ll just amount to a waste of receiving talent.

  61. Even if you don’t like CC, you have to give him credit for turning it around, unlike Titus Young, Charles Rodgers, and so many others.

    Lots of guys don’t ever manage to pull themselves back up after they fall. CC did.

  62. intelligent cement says:

    Your comments are irresponsible and incorrect. If it were just a matter of self control then there would be no alcoholics or addicts or obese people. It’s a scientific fact that it is a disease, one that can be hereditary and one that can be identified in the brains of addicts. So I don’t have any sympathy for Josh Gordon but get your facts straight.

  63. Did he miss any practices or fall asleep in meetings? Have not heard of that happening? Did he under perform last season? Nope. So how exactly is his smoking pot affecting the Browns or the NFL? If basing it off of job performance they should be handing it out to everyone.

  64. the browns went into drafting gordon knowing that baylor cut him because of failed drug tests.they should have sent him to rehab before they let him on the field.nothi is stopping them from doing that now.

  65. Carter needs to shut up and help people quietly behind the scenes and stop trying to take every opportunity to make the Cris Carter story into a TV docudrama starring Cris Carter.

  66. If they’re smart they will make sure he spends his suspension in a treatment center, and none of that 28 day crap either. If he refuses to go to treatment or leaves treatment, then they should cut him.

  67. I understand what Cris Carter is saying, but, it doesn’t mean that the same method will work for Josh Gordon.

  68. The truth is, while Pot is not typically addictive, however there have been studies that around 9% of smokers do either get addicted or show symptoms of addiction.

    Now, that being said, whether he is or isn’t doesn’t matter, at this point it is about his choices. If he is an addict, he had the opportunity last year to get help when he was suspended. He chose not to, and even in the face of a year suspension, he has instead of showing that he is trying to beat addiction went out and got into legal trouble with the law, regarding what is known as an addictive substance. Again, this is his choice. He has the ability to either get help or get rid of the people that are dragging him down, he is choosing to do neither.

    For those people that think that it is either the NFL, the Browns, or the NFLPA’s fault. You are mistaken. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. In this case all 3 entities need to worry about the people that aren’t breaking the rules and how Gordon or any other player that is having these issues could impact them.

    The Browns can’t cut Gordon and have it work, because in today’s league, someone else would sign him before the ink on the cut papers has dried. So he wouldn’t learn from that.

    While I do feel for Gordon as a person to some level, he needs to fix this, and he needs to pay for his transgressions. Addict or not, he chose to smoke it the first time when he wasn’t addicted, he chose to keep smoking until the point, that people could say that he was addicted. Unlike harder drugs, the few people that do get addicted, it takes longer than 1 shot to get that way.

  69. I have complained so many times about thumbs up and thumbs down…now I miss it when it’s not here.

    Come on Mike (Florio). If you’re going to take those away I expect at least some 250 word tongue in cheek essay (blog post) about that.

  70. Cris Carter again proving he’s an idiot.

    Seahawks receivers are pedestrian, and a bunch of appetizers.

    Now Gordon should be cut? He’s the best chance they have at a winning future…. just reprimand him and keep him on a short leash.

    Get a real job, Carter.

  71. @
    lenbias34pt says: Jul 7, 2014 1:21 PM

    maybe Chris should raise his own son…..or , i dont’ know, reflect on his pro career a bit
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    Maybe you should re-read the article, that’s exactly what he’s done is reflect on his career and has raised his children! His son Duron plays in Canada and may be in the NFL by 2015-2016

  72. Whether or not josh Gordon is addicted to pot and whether or not pot should be illegal is completely irrelevant. He’s shown that he does not have the ability to put his career first by following simple rules that even most working Americans must follow. Call an addiction or call it stupidity, the point is that he finds these things more important than playing football.

  73. eaglesnoles05 says:
    Jul 7, 2014 1:12 PM
    They should. Eagles lost out on a HOF wr when they cut chris carter, but he should have been cut and needed it. just ask Carter himself.

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    Chris Carter did a 180 a few months ago and claimed that he was completely clean before the Eagles cut him and basically blamed the Eagles for his problems.

  74. If I were stuck in Cleveland I might develop an illegal addiction, too. The preseason power rankings are coming out and Cleveland is NOT 31 or 32. something wrong there.

  75. stunzeed5 says:
    Jul 7, 2014 1:13 PM

    Pot is illegal and makes people fat, lazy, and unproductive. People who smoke it are a dredge on society and are generally losers.

    —–

    Pot is bad if you abuse it just like anything else. Cheeseburgers make you fat and lazy if you abuse them too.

  76. Something about this just doesn’t fit well with me, I mean if Cleveland does release him and he flourishes elsewhere thanks to that reality check and Browns fans, management and coaches have to watch him blow secondaries away for another team and then he returns and does the same thing to the team that drafted him and his new teams’ coaches, management reap the benefits, where does that leave Cleveland? Just the team that did the right thing for a player only to watch him have a HOF career somewhere else, and go in sporting another teams jersey.

    Just remember Cleveland, if this happens, there is no prize, no trophy for you nor will he represent you if he turns it around and has a HOF career elsewhere. You get the big WHAT IF??

  77. Idk what’s funnier, reading people who smoke weed everyday and say its not addictive, and literally has no effect on your life?

    Or those who never have even tried it who say you’ll turn into a lazy degenerate from trying it?

    Truth is, there’s a middle ground here. It’s not bad for you, in moderation (and moderation is NOT everyday, or every week for that matter).

  78. Great plan Cris, let Gordon become a HOF player elsewhere. Great idea for the Browns…

    Stupid!

  79. He addressed his early days with the Eagles, as he said the best thing that happened to him was being cut by the Eagles and he got his act together and went on to become a HOFer!!! Not a Legend in his own mind, just a Legend!!!

  80. But was that the best thing for the Eagles 4ever9er? The Eagles lost a HoF player for nothing and then also had a huge hit publicly when Ryan said all he does is score TD’s. It was to much later that Cater’s “issues” came to light, until then they looked like fools.

  81. @eagleswin says: Jul 7, 2014 4:07 PM

    Chris Carter did a 180 a few months ago and claimed that he was completely clean before the Eagles cut him and basically blamed the Eagles for his problems.
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    Since I know you are making this up, I want you to prove what you’re saying! So where’s your proof?

  82. @tcostant says: Jul 7, 2014 4:29 PM

    But was that the best thing for the Eagles 4ever9er? The Eagles lost a HoF player for nothing and then also had a huge hit publicly when Ryan said all he does is score TD’s. It was to much later that Cater’s “issues” came to light, until then they looked like fools.
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    It wasn’t the best thing for the Eagles regarding Cris Carter the football player, but it was the best thing for Cris Carter the person and ultimately that’s what makes me respect Buddy Ryan, because he put the person ahead of the player.

  83. intelligent cement says:
    Jul 7, 2014 1:04 PM
    Cancer is a disease. I’m tired of people saying how that drug/alcohol abuse is a disease.

    It’s called self control.
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    Numerous medical professionals that have studied the subject all the way down to the gene level would disagree with you. In your case you are either fortunate not to have the addiction gene or you do have it but rather then indulging in drugs or alcohol you choose to indulge in something else.

    If you get an addict to quit drugs or alcohol they’ll just shift their energy to some other high risk activity which if they’re lucky will only be overeating. Not to mention the change would likely only be temporary and without the proper help they would probably just fall back into using drugs and alcohol.

    Regardless for some people its more complex then ‘self control.’

  84. One big difference between Carter’s situation and Gordon’s…..Carter wasn’t under a one year league suspension and could hook up with another team once he was cut and play right away. Gordon gets cut, he sits for a year before he ever gets to see the field. Carter has said himself that he was clean and sober at the time of his release from the Eagles, so he was already well on his way to turning it around.

  85. Carter should have saved some advice for his son.. kinda cursed the kid from the start with a name like Duron, then let him go to OSU.. ugh.. no wonder he struggled

  86. Listening to Mike & Mike this morning and they are on here saying things like someone has to help this kid with his life, to help save his life?? What the heck are they talking about I don’t get it. He smokes some pot and got a dwi on a .09 is this stuff life threathing? Herm Edwards & Chris Carter makes him sound like he is losing his life lol maybe I’m being naive but man it’s pot and .09 saying he has demons now on tv. Com’on man this isn’t all that bad is it? I don’t get all this acting like he’s in so much trouble it’s weed/a little drinking not all that hard stuff people shoot up. Let him play I say.. So What!!

  87. Cris Carter you are a moron. Yeah great idea for the Browns to cut their best draft pick since Bernie Kosar.

    Typical Ohio State big mouth. I couldnt stand him before, and his Hall of Fame speech showed what an idiot he truly is, “Ohio born n bred”. gimme a break clown.

  88. Cutting Chris Carter may have worked out for Chris Carter, but not the Eagles. As I understand it, the Browns don’t have to pay this guy until he is reinstated(assuming he gets banished for a year) and if he is able to keep his nose clean in that time he is still contractually bound to the Browns. There is no reason to cut him now or anytime soon. How can CC expect an organisation to do something that is not in its own interest?

  89. Carter had to hit bottom and play for the vikings before he got cleaned up.

    The trouble with some (I’m not saying Gordon is one of them) is that they never hit bottom.

    I don’t know why he hasn’t had a good long talk with his father yet.
    Good parenting can prevent these situations.

  90. It’s called self control.
    —————————–
    Numerous medical professionals that have studied the subject all the way down to the gene level would disagree with you. In your case you are either fortunate not to have the addiction gene or you do have it but rather then indulging in drugs or alcohol you choose to indulge in something else.

    If you get an addict to quit drugs or alcohol they’ll just shift their energy to some other high risk activity which if they’re lucky will only be overeating. Not to mention the change would likely only be temporary and without the proper help they would probably just fall back into using drugs and alcohol.

    Regardless for some people its more complex then ‘self control.’
    __________________________

    There is a link between alcoholism and depression/anxiety, which is genetic as well as environmental. However, not everyone who suffers from depression turns into an alcoholic, drug addict, food addict etc. It isn’t like testing positive for strep throat. Individual decisions always come down to self control. I always thought it more accurate to think of alcoholism more as a symptom of depression than a disease itself, despite what the experts say.

  91. What is it about Cleveland that makes their franchises so dysfunctional and inept?

  92. addiction is not a desease, its the medical excuse
    for choice. just choose to stop taking drugs.

  93. What worked for Cris Carter may not work for Josh Gordon because Gordon is not in the same place as Carter was, and is not the same kind of man that Cris Carter came to be. But Carter’s point is that somebody has to do something drastic to this kid because he’s not listening.

    As a recovering dope smoker and alcohol user (30 plus years of sobriety in…confident that I’m not going to be using today), marijuana is not physically addicting but is psychologically addictive. There’s a difference, but no one has ever gone through physical withdrawal when they quit smoking pot. That’s science.

  94. the path to addiction may or may not very well be a choice. However, once you arrive at addiction, it’s no longer simply a choice. There’s lots more than simple choice involved. It takes you over. It’s a disease.

    Have some common humanity dude… BTW cancer is not diminished by acknowledging other forms of human disease and suffering.

  95. Carter also said “how come I don’t hear the heavy breathing and slapping sound that I usually hear on the other end of the phone whenever I’m on the show? Oh, Greenberg is off”.

  96. Like millions of Americans, Josh Gordon is only enjoying himself. His pastimes do not hurt him or his teammates and he gets along well with them and his coaches.

    He shows up for work on time, does his job and he’s one of the best in the business.

    So what’s all the fuss?

  97. Wait didn’t Carter say Cutting DeSean Jackson was the 2nd biggest mistake Philly will ever make???? Shut up Chris

  98. It’s pretty unfair that the Browns would have to suffer and watch Gordon go on to have a Hall of Fame career like the Eagles did with Carter.

  99. A Legitimate Standard of Quality thinks the Hall of Fame should cut cris carter.

  100. It is possible he is just making bad decisions, but to say that he isn’t dealing with addiction without having an ounce of proof is just irresponsible. How would you know that’s it’s not addiction?

  101. Did Cris Carter give this same advice to the three colleges his son attended?

  102. Haha, cut him? Even if Gordon is suspended for TWO seasons, he’ll come back to the NFL at only 25 years old with two years still left on his original deal at a very modest salary.

    The Browns would be stupid to ever renounce their rights to him.

  103. Maybe Carter should keep his mouth shut. How many Super Bowl rings does he have?

  104. The disease of addiction is real, and it is progressive just like cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. etc. The difference is that those who want to refuse the truth put all their weight into the fact that as long as the substance(s) aren’t put into the body, then the person has a longer life, but not necessarily a longer quality of life, provided they don’t address their sobriety emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. Those that get sober and practice the 12 Steps one day at a time can tell you that there is a challenge they face in processing emotions and thoughts that those without the disease take for granted. It is scientifically proven to be a predisposition that can be in families anywhere on the face of this earth. Wake up, folks, it is not just an issue of morality or willpower. And every time a player has an issue with substances (which includes alcohol by the way) and people start to stick their heads in the sand with their posts on this website and refuse the reality that this is a disease, I’m going to state the truth. And every time people will symbolically clap their hands over their ears and shut their eyes, the truth….will….still…be…sitting there, staring them in the face.

  105. All these people talking about a disease. While it may, in fact, be a disease one thing is clear. Cancer should never be compared to substance abuse. One is a self inflicted wound and one isn’t. All the nettards can say “lung cancer’ all they want but that is a fraction of the point.

    Josh knew he was doing prohibited things and should have never started. Besides, potheads, either it’s harmless or it’s not, you can’t have it both ways.

  106. Cris Carter just wanted a chance to talk about Cris Carter. Get Ditka, Carter, Berman, Lewis off the air
    I can’t watch bspn with them.

  107. Where the hell is the NFLPA? Isn’t this where they need to help one of their own?

  108. I wonder if Cris Carter would feel this way if in ’89, the NFL suspended him for coke, weed, booze and ecstasy. He credits his wife for getting his head out of his @$$, nothing soul searching or profound, she threatened to bail if he didn’t get his act together. Now he’s part of the HOF righteousness firm of Lewis, Sapp, Sanders, Irvin and Carter.

  109. Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences,[1] or a neurological impairment leading to such behaviors.[2]

    Addictions can include, but are not limited to, drug abuse, exercise addiction, food addiction, computer addiction and gambling. Classic hallmarks of addiction include impaired control over substances or behavior, preoccupation with substance or behavior, continued use despite consequences, and denial.[3] Habits and patterns associated with addiction are typically characterized by immediate gratification (short-term reward), coupled with delayed deleterious effects (long-term costs).[4]

    It’s not the question if smoking pot or 0.9 DWI is a bad thing. He is throwing away a lot of money and probably a better life because he can’t find a cab or stay away from cannabis. As Stephen A. SMith said:Really? You’re giving it all away to smoke weed!?

  110. Alcohol and drug problems aren’t diseases but in many cases, those people need help. Yes, it’s 100% their fault for choosing to drink or take prescription drugs or whatever, but addiction should have proper emotional and nutritional support. Many people like to take prescriptions acting like they “need” them but they’re really just addicted and not educated on how to address the CAUSE of the disease because all doctors do is hand out drugs like candy to cover up the SYMPTOMS, but do nothing to stop the cause of the disease, only making the problem worse in the long-run because symptoms are the body’s way of telling you that enough is enough and you need to fix something.

    Anyways, big pharma is as corrupt as it gets, they don’t create cures, they create customers. There are literally thousands of cures for cancer but there will NEVER be a mainstream cure because it would lose billions of dollars per year. Instead, they stick with chemo, which literally fails 98% of the time because it destroys the immune system (which is what caused cancer in the first place, a failing immune system), radiation (which causes cancer), and surgery (which spreads cancer). That’s why people get tumors “removed” and then a few months later end up with tumors in different parts of the body or more aggressive forms, because you don’t address the CAUSE and cutting into tumors releases all those cancerous cells into the bloodstream where they spread like wildfire. Why would you listen to mainstream medicine regarding cancer when they fail nearly 100% of the time over five-year survival rates? If anyone here failed at their job 98% of the time, I’m guessing they would’ve been fired a long time ago.

  111. CC is a fool. You don’t cut a top 5 talent. Your team is better with him suspended getting help then he is on someone else’s roster.

  112. TALK ABOUT THE POT & KETTLE!! Chris loved to party and get drunk, now he wants to cut players with the same problems he had. HYPOCRIT

  113. As a working schlep, my initial reaction is let this clown fail, he’s blown a golden opportunity at life. But the human in me says get him help, b/c if he fails, it just hurts him as an inidivual and society as a whole. I’d rather him get help, make his millions, and pay back the community through charity and other productive means.

  114. Really? So he smokes weed and has .01 over the legal limit and he is an addict? I’m a lifelong Browns fan and I am really disappointed. But it seems to me he is doing what a lot of kids his age do. Yeah, he may not prioritize football. And we might all be sad we can’t see the spectacle of him continuing to display his talents in this area we all prize. But, for Chirst’s sake, he is a young person and he should have some right to do what he wants with his life as long as he is not hurting anyone. And if he chooses partying, he is like most people in their early 20s that I have met over the course of my middle-aged life.

  115. Hey we found something Chris Carter knows about, you ever Google Baldwin’s ring?Chris im talking to you pedestrian announcer

  116. intelligent cement says: Jul 7, 2014 1:04 PM

    Cancer is a disease. I’m tired of people saying how that drug/alcohol abuse is a disease.

    It’s called self control.
    ———————————————————

    I’m not gonna say that the DUI was a wise move. But it’s also clear that Mr. Gordon needs help in a bad way. Moronic comments like Intelligent Cement’s are not exactly helping things. Anyone who disagrees has obviously never dealt with a loved one dealing with substance abuse

  117. intelligent cement says: Jul 7, 2014 1:04 PM

    Cancer is a disease. I’m tired of people saying how that drug/alcohol abuse is a disease.

    It’s called self control.
    ———————————————————
    I have no idea how to properly verbalize how incorrect I think you are

  118. Chris with all my respect for you lost,
    You criticized the Eagles for cutting Jackson and Praising Buddy for cutting you.
    I think you are a hypocrite.
    Do what you do best, sleep.

  119. I think the situation is a bit different here. Carter had serious problems with alcohol, cocaine, ecstasy, and marijuana. As far as we know Gordon doesn’t have the same level of drug problems. He barely failed a drug test for marijuana with a ridiculously low threshold (he would have passed in nearly any other profession including other professional and Olympic sports). If he had been smoking even somewhat regularly he would have registered much higher than 16ng/mL, and he has not tested positive for any other drugs.

    Yes he also was charged with a DWI, which is bad but again he was barely over the limit (he was tested at 0.09) and hasn’t actually been convicted of anything. He also went to a rehab facility of his own accord and was released and told that he did not have an addiction problem.

    For Cris Carter being cut may have been the best thing for him at the time, but it seems like Josh Gordon is already on the right track toward cleaning up his life without such drastic measures. I think that it would be foolish for the Browns to cut him over this and he would certainly find a new home in the NFL very quickly which would defeat the purpose of cutting him.

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