TMZ says NFL never bothered to ask casino for video

AP

The organization which shared the Ray Rice punching his wife in the face video with the world said the NFL never asked for it.

TMZ wrote this morning that league officials never contacted the Revel Casino to request video footage they might have had, and that the casino “would have gladly complied” had they been asked.

Of course, as Florio mentioned last night, there were plenty of other ways to obtain the video which got Rice fired instantly and suspended indefinitely.

TMZ’s sources said that the casino made a copy of the elevator footage for police, and Rice’s lawyer has a copy along with TMZ. So there are at least three of them floating around.

The league insisted yesterday they had requested information from law enforcement officials, but didn’t see the tape until TMZ shared it with the world yesterday morning.

Barring a credible explanation from the NFL, the only options at the moment seem to be willful ignorance or gross negligence, and neither is a particularly good look for the league right now.

95 responses to “TMZ says NFL never bothered to ask casino for video

  1. The prosecutors and NJ police dept also dropped the ball. They saw the video and no arrest or charges were issued to Ray Rice, This reeks of everyone protecting their own backsides, now that everyone has seen the video. This is a mess!!

  2. One thing is for certain, when Harvey Levin and TMZ are the moral compass for the Ravens and the league, society is in deep trouble! Stay classy Baltimore!

  3. Fire Goodell!!! And the Who Dat Nation wants their two STOLEN draft picks back. Enough already! Ray Rice, you are a weak little whimp! Fire Goodell!!!!!! NOW

  4. It’s situations like this that make me wonder how Goodell keeps his job. Over reacts to spygate, over reacts to bountygate, but only takes any REAL action against Rice when TMZ airs the video and he has absolutely NO CHOICE. Real nice priorities there, Rog.

  5. The NFL had to have known that there was a possibility of security footage available, and if not, there are serious questions that need to be answered. Either way, for optics alone, Roger Goodell needs to go. The buck stops with the NFL’s self-appointed Czar of Punishment, and for the good of the league he must fall on his own sword.

  6. Goodell needs to resign. He suspends Gordon 1 year for a bs weed test, and rice 2 games for knocking out his wife! What changed yesterday? We’d already seen her dragged. How did you all think she got knocked out? Goodell does not care about women. He needs to resign.

  7. They knew he hit her , Rice said , he did. We all knew he knocked her out. So why , wait until a video comes out showing. Doesn’t make sense for the indefinitely suspension. I can see why Ravens cut Rice thou.

  8. Here’s the NFL and Goodell’s view on the handling of the Ray Rice incident, along with everything else they do- “We did what we did because you’re all going to watch the games and buy the merchandise anyway…we know it and you know it too. See you on Sunday, ‘we can’t hear you, there’s too much money in these hands.'”

  9. TMZ’s story changes…yesterday they posted on their website that a TMZ source “unconditionally confirmed” that the NFL had seen the video…now they note that the NFL could easily have obtained it. Either way, what did anyone really think occurred in the elevator based on what we all saw when he walked out dragging her? Obviously he had hit her…it simply became more real one we saw it. I’m glad he’s suspended and hopefully he never plays again.

  10. …Barring a credible explanation from the NFL, the only options at the moment seem to be willful ignorance or gross negligence, and neither is a particularly good look for the league right now.

    Amen, brother. Goodell must go.

  11. I am not sure what relevance the video even had to do with anything. They knew he hit her POINT BLANK. The video being supplied just shows the crime. The NFL should have taken better action from the beginning.

  12. Why didn’t the NFL ask for a copy of the tape?

    Why didn’t the NFL do a “full” investigation, attempting to gather all the evidence?

    When Goodell announced only a 2 game suspension for Ray Rice, I said at the time, Goodell did the Ravens a favor…in other words, Goodell showed a bias in favor of the Ravens owner, Steve Bisciotti and perhaps Ozzie Newsome.

    What is going on now is the NFL trying to cover up the fact that Roger Goodell did show personal bias in favor of the Ravens.

    I believe the NFL did see the video of what went on inside that elevator and all this dancing around by the NFL is just part of the “cover up”.

  13. Why does TMZ have of copy? Their only intent is to smear people. But no matter what Rice deserved this from the beginning with or with out the video.

  14. Owners! Please, please fire Goodell! He has put a face on the league as one that condones domestic violence. It was only from the surfacing of the elevator tape and public outcry that he and the Ravens decided to do anything about Ray Rice.

    Goodell is just like the players that get a big contract/payday then slack off their work ethic by being fat, dumb and happy and losing the mindset of being part of a team. Be a “team” you owners! Get the cancer out of your “locker room”!!!

  15. The Ravens and Goodell tried to sweep Ray Rice’s cold clocking of his now wife under the carpet. Goodell and the main members of the Ravens organization need to resign immediately for the good of the league. If not, I propose that the NFL be changed to the MFL: Misogynistic Football League.

  16. Precisly what everyone is thinking. How could a billion dollar corporation not have the capability to obtain a security tape from the casino? But yet TMZ obtains it.

    Goodell was aware the tape was in the hands of TMZ and rushed, in an attempt to appear proactive, to change the domestic abuse policy August 28th to cover his own …

  17. Im guessing when the Revel closed last week, there were plenty of unemployed security lined up in front of TMZ willing to talk.

  18. Barring a credible explanation from the NFL, the only options at the moment seem to be willful ignorance or gross negligence, and neither is a particularly good look for the league right now.

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    Pretty much. It also looks bad on the police, the many news organizations that could have gotten the video, and the player.

    Harbaugh should be fired. His phony press conference last night was about as awkward as it get’s and his “heckuva guy” and “proud of the way Ray Rice is handlign the situation” comments should haunt him for the rest of his life.

    It does explain his bewildered look when asked if the Ravens ever asked for the tape.

    Why would they ever ask for the tape when Rice was a “heckuva guy” and they were “proud” of him. His word was all that was needed. They even live tweeted Janay’s apology for hitting Ray’s fist with her face.

    Jim Harbaugh’s probably next as you can’t tell me all those football players at Ray McDonalds birthday party didn’t have cell phone cameras.

    What is taking the San Fran police and 49ers so long in making a determination in that case? Waiting for the bruises to fade before announcing that all evidence is destroyed?

    He is a starter after all.

  19. Funny, as a lawyer you would think Goodell might have thought of this himself. He must resign. Its’s OUR league fellas. We rule with our dollars. Find the petition and sign it. I also ask every real man who reads this to pledge not spending another dollar that goes to the NFL until Goodell has stepped down. Think of your mothers, sisters. Demand better than a coward and a liar who treats women being beaten up as an issue to hide because he is afraid of public outcry.

  20. C’mon Roger, a little bird didn’t get in your ear two weeks ago and told you that TMZ was going public with video. Thats why you went on your ” I GOT IT WRONG” campaign ? Cant wait to see how long it will take you to make public appearance on the ” I’m Screwed” campaign.

  21. Goodell needs to resign…complete lack of leadership! He’s a money-hungry dirtbag who was too worried about protecting his cash cow. This time it’s blown up in his face. Time to be impeached!

  22. When you don’t want to know something you don’t ask if it negatively hurts your favorite team. Goodel and the Ravens…owner, coach,GM and fans are a joke……a lot of high horses are riderless this morning in Baltimore.

  23. .
    This situation reeks. However, we may never get the truth unless a court or Congress gets involved.
    .

  24. They should put a plaque on the wall next to the door of the elevator reading:

    “This elevator took down Ray Rice and Roger Goodell.”

    Seeing that video, had that older white lady in the picture got on their car, and he was headed into it and walked away, history might be different.

    What do we call this video ala the Zapruder film?

    “Schlindler’s Fist!”

  25. What did they think happened in that elevator? That is what I don’t understand. How does the video change anything?

  26. …Barring a credible explanation from the NFL, the only options at the moment seem to be willful ignorance or gross negligence, and neither is a particularly good look for the league right now.

    So kind of like the brain damage cover-up and the Toradol cover-up, it is a pattern of behavior.

    It is the NFL way, blame the victims, attribute everything to personal responsibility, hide the evidence (cook and or avoid) and the NFL goes back to business as usual since the media will not pursue the matter.

    TMZ just happened not to be part of the sports media complex so we actually heard about it. One can only speculate about how many other bodies are buried over the decades and especially by Goodell.

  27. The NFL can’t in good faith state that it wasn’t aware that the elevator surveillance video existed. The NFL simply gambled that it wouldn’t surface after: (1) Rice’s criminal case was adjudicated; and, (2) the victim became Rice’s spouse. Roger G. shoulda hired Ray Donovan to tie up the loose ends.

  28. Fire Goodell! He really dropped the ball on this one. Isn’t he supposed to be a lawyer? You would think that he would have the foresight to gather all of the evidence. Apparently Rice’s attorney had this video months ago and the NFL, basically the most powerful organization in this nation, is only finding out about it yesterday? I call BS! Just like all the Spygate evidence was destroyed and just like there was no real evidence for Bountygate. It’s time the owners stand up to this little prick and get a new leader, one that’s not trying to put his own stamp on the game and change the way the game is played (ruin the game).

  29. The only thing we actually learned from the video was that the insinuation from Rice, the Ravens and the League that Janay was hitting him first was a contrived lie that the Ravens and the NFL happy nodded along to.

  30. i doubt the casino was jumping at the chance to release video of high profile client committing crimes in their casino.
    NFL has no authority anyway. why would they give it to them?
    requesting it from law enforcement seems perfectly fine.

  31. Easy. All the NFL has to do it produce the dated written request it made to the casino for the footage. If it can’t do that, then they botched this entire situation, and were completely incompetent. Possibly it was a coverup attempt to reduce the bad publicity that would result for the NFL. The NFL has more resources than most companies, and it is inexcusable if they botched such an important matter as the investigation of possibly abuse. Goodell would have to answer for that, if that is indeed the case. This will be interesting to see how it plays out.

  32. I don’t see how that can be willful ignorance or gross negligence on the part of the league. The league’s job is to be a football league, they are not a private investigation agency. That’s a police agency job, that’s even a news media function, in other words: Why didn’t NBC Sports ask for the tape before yesterday? Seems they are even more at fault for willful ignorance or gross negligence than the NFL.

  33. To quote Goodell himself, “if he didnt know, he should have known”.

    If that is good enough to apply to Sean Payton to justify the bounty smear, it’s good enough to apply to the commissioner himself.

  34. Ray got what he deserved. However, I hope he sues the league because this reeks of CYA by Goddell and the Ravens. Anyone who ever steps foot in casino knows they have the most sophisticated camera system in the world. A mall security officer knows this and I’m sure all the retired FBI guys who now work for NFL security know this as well.

  35. I’m more curious as to how much TMZ paid for the video. And also why the casino is so willing to just hand out copies. Most of the businesses I deal with always require a subpoena to release any information in their possession.

    And lets not forget, the NFL is just a business, like Walmart or your local gas station. They aren’t the ones that gave Rice only probation. So I wouldn’t go chastising them too much just because they were slow to fire an employee.

  36. Of course they didn’t ask for the video. They didn’t want to see it. They didn’t want to see anything that might force them to suspend a star player.

    All the NFL did was stand there holding its proverbial hands over its eyes screaming LA LA LA LA LA at the top of its lungs pretending nothing was going on.

  37. Revel casino is closing at the end of this month, so I’m sure one of the security employees who had a copy, wanted to cash in before he lost his job.

  38. Ravell Casino just closed their doors last week forever. And the tape comes out yesterday? GODell MUST resign or be fired, IMMEDIATELY!

  39. Dear NJ State Police:

    We are currently conducting an investigation into Ray Rice at the Revel Casino. Please give us any information you have. But don’t strain yourself, especially if you have to carry any boxes down stairs. We wouldnt want anyone tripping. If there are too many boxes of evidence, just send us a Cliff Notes summary. Please send us any video tape you might have from the casino. That is, if you dont have to exert yourself making copies. Unfortunately we ran out of money in our evidence reimbursement fund. So see if you can scrounge up a copy of the The Longest Yard (not the remake) and we will just watch that instead, its probably less violent.

  40. Why should Goodell step down. It’s not his fault. Why don’t people start worrying and asking for our so called president to step down since he is destroying the USA. That’s seems to be more important.

  41. Aren’t you all members of the media? The Freedom of the Press has more access to gain government evidence than some “nonprofit” organization. How come it took TMZ, a gossip blog, to produce the video when you consider yourself a sports news insider? Why didn’t you have the video 6 months ago? You and ESPN should be ashamed as a news source…

  42. The third (and most likely in my opinion) option is that the NFL did see the video but realized that it would be a PR nightmare for the league, so they decided to ignore it and hope that it never gets released.

  43. TMZ probably leveraged the video with money or persuasion (they do have the ability to get dirt on people and trade it for what they want…) to acquire this video, which is something media outlets don’t have the ability to do.

    This is why tabloid journalism is always first with a story whether it’s true or not. No repercussions.

  44. OK, here’s the part I DON’T get.

    How can TMZ get the video and the NFL can’t… or won’t?

    I never saw anything this badly botched up. Honestly, if I screwed up like this at my job, I would have gotten my arse fired a long time ago.

    The way the NFL handled this from the get-go is nothing short of laughable.

  45. boomerb51 says:
    Sep 9, 2014 9:19 AM
    Aren’t you all members of the media? The Freedom of the Press has more access to gain government evidence than some “nonprofit” organization. How come it took TMZ, a gossip blog, to produce the video when you consider yourself a sports news insider? Why didn’t you have the video 6 months ago? You and ESPN should be ashamed as a news source…

    ———————————————————————–

    Those outlets may criticize the league from time to time (well, not really ESPN), but they know better than to bite the hand that feeds it. TMZ has no dogs in the fight and couldn’t care less about staying on the NFL’s good side. These guys do it, and they’re out of a job. It’s the same reason one-liners ragging on the league or Roger stay up, and longer posts that legitimately criticize the league get deleted in 10 minutes.

  46. Just remember you’re talking about the same leadership that destroyed the Spygate tapes, and if I recall correctly, Belichick only turned over 6… which in itself raises eyebrows considering they’d been doing this for years…

    If you tarnish the NFL shield, Goodell will come down on you like a ton of bricks.
    …but when he does, it’s cover-up time.

  47. NFL went through proper channels to try to get the video. TMZ just paid someone illegally for it, TMZ is pure sleaze. Not sure why so many look to TMZ as some bastion of truth they are filth. So many act as if it is their “right” to see that video, their voyeurism is disgusting.

  48. The NFL league office is full of lawyers, so if they did ask for the video, that request should have been in writing. Especially for a matter so serious. Show that correspondence and clear this all up. If that correspondence doesn’t exist, then the league is at serious fault.

  49. Sounds like Roger Goodell not only didn’t want to be involved, he didn’t even pick the ball up and do his due dilegence.

  50. How much you want to bet Roger would have gotten the tape from the casino if it showed Josh Gordon smoking a doobie on the elevator?

    Goodell has two possibilities: he’s incompetent, or he’s a liar.

  51. boomerb51 says: Sep 9, 2014 9:19 AM

    Aren’t you all members of the media? The Freedom of the Press has more access to gain government evidence than some “nonprofit” organization. How come it took TMZ, a gossip blog, to produce the video when you consider yourself a sports news insider? Why didn’t you have the video 6 months ago? You and ESPN should be ashamed as a news source…

    ==============

    Because TMZ bribed someone in security at a casino, that will be closing soon, so the guy has no reason to fear for his job going away….

  52. How come NBC Sports didn’t ask for the tapes before? NBC Sports has a bigger responsibility to investigative journalism than the NFL does. I say the media dropped the ball, not the NFL. The media should all resign.

  53. thegonz13 says: Sep 9, 2014 9:45 AM

    OK, here’s the part I DON’T get.

    How can TMZ get the video and the NFL can’t… or won’t?

    ===============

    because TMZ paid a guy at the casino to get them a copy of the tape…

  54. mblue24 says:
    Sep 9, 2014 9:17 AM

    Why should Goodell step down. It’s not his fault. Why don’t people start worrying and asking for our so called president to step down since he is destroying the USA. That’s seems to be more important.

    ****************

    Dude, what does that have anything at all to do with the topic at hand? Go post on Fox Noise, not here!

  55. pathetic

    now the league.. Goodell.. is using the Kraft/Pats “we was duped” strategy to cover-up corruption and criminal activity

    NFL is most likely lying….. if not, they could have easily got the video and knew what it was…. I see no difference between having the video and trying to not see so they can claim plausible deniability

    the cover-up here is worse than the crim; Goodell needs to be fired (no resigning and getting paid) and the police need investigated for not prosecuting Rice

    this is bad… but, maybe we get rid of Goodell here… which is a good thing

  56. I don’t believe it…the NFL is involved in a “claim ignorance” PR campaign…they are attempting to deceive the public from the truth…they saw the video before announcing the Ray Rice suspension and they know it is a PR nightmare if it proven so…Goodell needs to be removed from his position and WITHOUT pay IMO…

  57. NFL security is comprised of former law enforcement veterans, read experienced, who have a vast network of contacts in the active law enforcement community. Nation wide.

    Former FBI agents, former police investigative detectives, former police officers.

    NFL, stop playing the public for a fool. Anyone with half a brain understands how well connected the NFL is. The tape was seen, and if it wasn’t seen, that was the NFL’s choice due to the matter was not taken seriously.

    Enough with this ‘we didn’t have access to the tape’ nonsense, for that excuse insults public intelligence.

  58. Goodell also lied when he said the tape was in the hands of state police. The NJ state police said that was a lie, it was in the hands of the local police.

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