New Jersey A.G.’s office: Casino legally could have given video to NFL

AP

In his Wednesday memo to all 32 teams, Commissioner Roger Goodell continued the league’s laundry list of excuses for its failure to see the notorious Ray Rice elevator video.

“We did not ask the Atlantic City casino directly for the video,” Goodell wrote.  “Again, our understanding of New Jersey law is that the casino is prohibited from turning over material to a third party during a law enforcement proceeding, and that doing so would have subjected individuals to prosecution for interference with a criminal investigation.”
At the request of ESPN’s Keith Olbermann, ESPN’s John Barr spoke to Paul Loriquet, director of communications for the Attorney General of New Jersey.  Loriquet disputed Goodell’s claim.
“Our interpretation of the law is that it would not have been illegal,” Loriquet told Barr.  Loriquet told TMZ the same thing.
This donut hole in the league’s bunker-mentality logic overlooks the fact that the NFL didn’t ask Rice to secure the video from his lawyer, who had it as part of the discovery process in the criminal prosecution.  Neither Goodell nor the league have addressed on the record the question of whether the NFL asked Rice to get the video from his lawyer.
It should be the first topic that the not-so-independent investigator addresses.
The New Jersey legal glitch also overlooks the fact that the NFL didn’t need to see the video to know what was on the video.  ESPN, echoing the on-the-record statements from Ravens G.M. Ozzie Newsome, reports based on four off-the-record sources that Ray Rice admitted to Goodell that he struck Janay Palmer.  (The lack of a transcript from the meeting will nevertheless allow the league to continue to hide behind words like “ambiguous” and “inconsistent.”)
It brings me back to the one single point that bothers me the most about this entire situation.  The NFL didn’t need to see the video to know its contents, which I believe explains the NFL failure to try even a little harder to get the video.  Equipped with the knowledge of the video’s contents, however, the NFL failed to display the sensitivity necessary to understand what domestic violence actually looks like.
Once the NFL saw the video, the NFL concluded that domestic violence is “extremely clear, extremely graphic, and . . . sickening.”  Without the tape, the league office able to understand that the process of a female getting knocked out by a professional athlete isn’t vague or sanitary or pleasant.
That’s why they didn’t get the tape.  They didn’t get the tape because they didn’t bother to consider the possibility that the visual images of a man knocking out a woman possibly could be “extremely clear, extremely graphic, and . . . sickening.”
Which means that, if the NFL truly wants to change its culture on domestic violence and if the group of middle-aged men who run the sport lack the basic human empathy to realize precisely what Janay Palmer Rice and all other victims of domestic violence committed by the league’s players endure, the league needs one or more senior executives who are female.
Maybe, in the end, the NFL needs a Commissioner who is female.

69 responses to “New Jersey A.G.’s office: Casino legally could have given video to NFL

  1. I love how the AG and the SAO in Jersey are getting a free pass here.

    We’re talking the state where the Governor shut down a bridge to spite a political opponent.

    A lot of things stink here, including the NFL and my Team’s handling of this.

    But the fact that THE LEGAL SYSTEM, the body that should be handling this, handled it the way it did should either tell us that they know something we don’t (i.e. pre-trial diversion and counseling for a 1st time offender might be a better outcome for the couple and their child) OR at the very least point to a flaw in the legal system.

    But, the media continues its witch hunt against Goodell. I don’t particularly like the guy, but people are acting like this is watergate.

    Its not even spygate.

  2. Lame and ineffectual law enforcement officials continue to pile crap on the NFL, SO NO ONE NOTICES THAT THEY ABDICATED THEIR DUTY.

    Pathetic.

    “Honest, we really wanted to charge the guy with a crime, but when we went to the Commissioner of The NFL, he forbade it. It’s all Goodell’s fault….”.

  3. The lesson in this mess is that it’s better to tell the truth because when you tell a lie, you eventually have to come clean or marry yourself to that lie for the rest of your life. Sermon over.

  4. I mean, if a person doesn’t go to jail for knocking a woman unconscious in New Jersey, do you really think its a problem to get a video that may or may not be part of an investigation. I’m more upset that our legal system saw this and did so little as opposed to a private business not properly reacting to it.

  5. It brings me back to the one single point that bothers me the most about this entire situation. The NFL didn’t need to see the video to know its contents, which I believe explains the NFL failure to try even a little harder to get the video. Equipped with the knowledge of the video’s contents, however, the NFL failed to display the sensitivity necessary to understand what domestic violence actually looks like.
    ——–

    GET OVER IT!!! Before the video was out, Goodell admitted they went to light on him. They came up with a new policy that gives 6 games on first offense (and possibly room for more depending on circumstances).

    The video came out and everyone actually SAW what happened. As much as you’d like to deny it, seeing it makes a huge difference. That is why all national media are picking up on it. Because when SEE the domestic abuse is completely different than reading about it.

    The written reports were all there for the national media to throw a fit over, but they didnt until the VIDEO came out. If you dont think the video should make a difference, then why all the outrage AFTER the video came out??

    In summary, Goodell heard about the violence, talked to Ray and his wife, and followed the lead of THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM (who had all the videos) and also gave him a light punishment. It happened, but I dont think there was anything purposefully or maliciously done wrong. He made a mistake, admitted it before the video, and ultimately corrected his mistake after the video came out.

    Put your pitchforks away

  6. Usually on here all you see is posters saying Roger is too harsh for suspending players for drugs….The guy suspended a player for two games who didn’t get into a whole lot of legal trouble over this……If Goodell had suspended Ray Rice for a year in the first place,most people on here would have been how could he if Ray Rice didn’t get jail time…….I think he was disgusted with giving only a two game suspension and quickly changed the rules and penalties right afterwards……….

  7. Maybe, in the end, the NFL needs a Commissioner who is female.

    Mike,

    Maybe. Or maybe they should just hire the best & most qualified candidate. Preferably one that has a shred of decency & integrity.

    I reiterate that the owners a making a HUGE mistake continuing to back Goodell. And Steve Bisciotti should shut up now b/c he’s looking worse & worse each time he opens his mouth. He didn’t even meet with Ray Rice personally & he has a GM telling a different story than his President.

    In the end it’s the owners like Bisciotti, Kraft, Jones, Snyder, etc. who support Goodell who deserve the criticism.

  8. Like it or not… One must admit…

    There is no one better to cover this story than Florio. His legal eagle viewpoint is more educational then TMZ and the rest.

    Ohh By the way… The Raiders have a legit QB for the first time since Rich Gannon.

  9. What the deal is by showing over and over how Gödel has fumbled the ball. He is the almighty that has given out punishment at a willy nilly attitude. He deserves to be under the microscope since he wanted to clean up the league and has shown during the Rice incident maybe his creditability at getting to final verdict of his punishment isn’t so good.

  10. “Even if you aren’t aware of something, you should be aware of something like that in your organization”- Goodell on Sean Payton

    “Not my fault “- Goodell on Rice video

  11. Not only is the NFL argument weak ; even if it had merit; the authorities wound have allowed the NFL and it’s investigators , to view the tape “in camera” or on the premises – we honored many requests when I worked for state AGs and prosecutors ,

    They just didn’t want to see it – wonder if the NFL videotaped the Rices’ appearance before Der Commisssar ?

    Let’s see it / all of it

  12. The league couldn’t care less what fans think about the commissioner. He serves at the pleasure of the entitled 32. And without Al Davis leading the charge to dump him, who will? He burned Kraft’s cheating tapes so NE isn’t going to dump him. The Rooneys and Maras helped install him. Danny won’t go against him so that he can keep the Redskins’ name (Note to PFT: Need more Dump the Redskins’ name stories.). Biscotti owes him for taking the heat on this one. He has naked pictures of Jerry Jones. You can make the case for every owner except maybe Tom Benson. Mr. Benson, are you listening?

  13. If the NFL is so worried about domestic abuse what’s being done about Ray McDonald and Greg Hardy? They’re both still playing, and one has been convicted.

  14. I know ESPN fancies itself some sort of legit news organization, but I wonder if they consider the consequences of poking one of the big hands that feeds it. I’m pretty certain that the NFL wouldn’t wane without them. I appreciate their attempts, but they’ve gotten a bit self righteous. Sports used to be a get away for me, but since ESPN has the monopoly on all sports info and broadcasts, it’s becoming a turn off. Report a story by all means, but the “investigating” and allowing heads like Olbermann to keep grinding on subjects doesn’t make it enjoyable. Let the news giants do the real reporting. I just want to hear stats and see highlights.

  15. WOW! The owners must act soon (like in the next day) and put Goodell on permanent leave until the investigation is over and he’s fired. To keep this guy as the face of NFL is unacceptable and pathetic. This is not about the legal system as anyone who has looked into this knows Janay elected not to press charges. Its far beyond the Rice issue now and has turned into a circus. Condaleza Rice for commissioner ( interesting last name I know) , look into it. I think she would be great. Of course it’s not going to take much to do better than Goodell at this point.

  16. Well as long as Olberman is outraged, that’s got to make it true. Dude doesn’t have a biased bone in his body. But at least he does know something about labor law by being fired from his last five jobs…..

  17. Again, it would be nice if the media spoke truth to power with our President. The country would be better off if they dug into all of his scandals instead of helping the dems cover them up…but sadly, the MEDIA and DEMOCRATS are one in the same.

  18. “It brings me back to the one single point that bothers me the most about this entire situation. ”
    How about the thing that bothers you must is that A women got knocked out cold.

    Focusing on the failed investigation loses the point that domestic violence is the real problem here.

    Yes the nfl failed in its investigation. So did the ravens, NJ investigators and so did the media.

    The media failed in raising issue about this until the video. The media is guilty of the same thing as the nfl and most everyone else. Failing to be alarmed when we first saw the video of a unconscious women outside of an elevator.

  19. Anyone stop to think that if the law enforcement officials, who had all the details, all the evidence, along with the manpower and mandate to deal with these situations, had done their job properly Ray Rice would probably be out of circulation for a year or two. Roger Goodell would not have had to worry how many games he missed. It would be somewhere between 16 and forever.

    Failing that, with Rice and his partner free and still cohabitating, how does depriving the man of his livelyhood and dignity make life better for Janay? Is she less likely to be a victim of abuse with Ray hanging around the house all day angry and frustrated? Will her life be better with more finanacial concerns than before?

    No one is looking at the big picture. They are so transfixed by the video and the technical details they can’t see that Goodell made the best decision he could at the time. For the PEOPLE MOST DIRECTLY AFFECTED. Not for hordes of self righteous, detached, internet geeks with nothing better to do.

  20. Goodell is the Commissioner of the NFL. We hold him to a higher standard than a Prosecutor or even a Judge. He commissions a Game!!!!!!!! We take this game way too seriously. Shameful.

  21. If you look at the reasons people are blasting Goodell for you can reasonably determine that most of them have never been in a position where they must determine acceptable punishment. Before you say it, parenting kids doesn’t count. Kids won’t routinely have an army of lawyers and a union dissecting every punishment handed down.

  22. I still don’t understand Florio, is your contention that if he had seen the video and suspended Rice for let’s say 8 games, would all be forgiven? The problem with this entire case is that Rice was not justly prosecuted for his crime. The commissioner of a sport, just like the owner of NBC should and will act in the best interests of their organization. Unfortunately in today’s world everyone calls for the head of anyone that they can. We love to build and then tear down twice as quickly. We are a forgiving nation until you cross the liberal media in one of their “causes”, then you don’t deserve a second chance.

  23. Thegreatgabbert doesn’t think domestic violence is a big deal, or that it’s a big deal Goodell epically dropped the ball on this. Thegreatgabbert’s excuse making for domestic violence enablers is a joke, and his reasoning is as accurate as Blaine Gabbert’s passes.

  24. FinFan68 says:
    Sep 11, 2014 8:30 PM
    If you look at the reasons people are blasting Goodell for you can reasonably determine that most of them have never been in a position where they must determine acceptable punishment
    ———- –
    OR, maybe we just have a problem with an self-ridiculous liar run the NFL.

  25. I’m sick of all this nonsense. It seems like people are losing sight of the fact that Ray Rice viciously attacked his wife. He’s the bad guy in this, not Roger Goodell.

  26. In regards to New Jersey, Atlantic City, and their liability.

    All the keyboard lawyers sure do have all the answers on how bad Jersey and AC screwed this up. Yet not ONE of you mention that Janay refused to press charges, refused to testify, refused to cooperate.

    The victim refused to press charges or testify. What do you expect the DA to do with that?

    Sure, what Rice did is still a crime against the State, but when you have an uncooperative witness, you really don’t have much of a case to prosecute.

    AC is a tough town, with lots of crime. There’s only so much resources to prosecute cases. When the victim (who ended up uninjured) turns your case into a loser, you move on.

    BTW, the D.A. still got 1 charge to stick and got Rice in an intervention program for a full year.

  27. Janay Palmer has dictated this situation from the moment she woke up from the blow. With hardly a word spoken. If she had done things any differently than she did following the incident, the consequences for Ray Rice would have been considerably different, and the whole subsequent story would have been considerably different,

    It was her wishes being played out post arrest and release. Assuming that she’s some sort of mindless robot, or helpless slave is completely off from what I’ve seen. She had the power, knew she had the power, and exercised that power with a clear mind. She is the one who secured the light punishment from the courts and from Goodell. Wisely.

    What is the profit in destroying or damaging the father of your child? Her first words when she woke up were “How could you do this to me, I’m the mother of your child?”. She has the insight to realize that cuts both ways. Ray is stronger than her, physically, and could damage her that way. She is stronger in terms of aligning outside support and sympathy, and could damage him just as badly in that way.

    Give the lady some credit and the privacy she asked for.

  28. Put your pitchforks away

    ———————-

    Never. Goodell is the Lyin’ King. And this isn’t the first time. To say he was less than truthful in his accusations against the Saints would be generous. He ran his mouth and got smacked in the face when he couldn’t produce the evidence he’d claimed he had. Goodell is an egomaniac dictator drunk on his own hubris and i’ll enjoy every sound of the sizzle as he fries.

  29. Anyone stop to think that if the law enforcement officials, who had all the details, all the evidence, along with the manpower and mandate to deal with these situations, had done their job properly Ray Rice would probably be out of circulation for a year or two. Roger Goodell would not have had to worry how many games he missed. It would be somewhere between 16 and forever.

    Failing that, with Rice and his partner free and still cohabitating, how does depriving the man of his livelyhood and dignity make life better for Janay? Is she less likely to be a victim of abuse with Ray hanging around the house all day angry and frustrated? Will her life be better with more finanacial concerns than before?

    No one is looking at the big picture. They are so transfixed by the video and the technical details they can’t see that Goodell made the best decision he could at the time. For the PEOPLE MOST DIRECTLY AFFECTED. Not for hordes of self righteous, detached, internet geeks with nothing better to do.
    —————————————

    BRAVO

  30. This would not be an issue IF the NFL didnt set precedent by the witch hunt over other, less severe issues. But this shows a mistake they made, and the denials make it maddening. The NFL is held to a higher standard because of the Anti Trust exemptions they receive by Congress. They are held to a higher standard.

    On a lower level. You get popped for a dui. Theres a camera rolling, how many of us common folks that lose their jobs?

  31. What an irony … and it couldn’t have happened to a more deserving Commissioner.

    Spygate, meet Liegate.

  32. Let me get this straight—-N.J. top cop, who let rice off tells us what is legal? I do not think he has shown good judgement! So now we are listening to oberman, the leading leftwing nut? I get it. Blame the NFL not the NJ cops—right, they know the law? shhhhhhhhh

  33. Lets do this again,,,First tape showing Ray Ray dragging an unconscious woman from the hotel elevator. Now there are seveal reasons why this woman is unconscious. 1-she was rendered unconscious from: a-cocaine/alcohol induced comma, b-she was knocked out by a punch from Ray Ray. I can see where King Goodell could have used just the first tape and been satisfied he had the truth,,,but Goodells suspending Ray Ray just two games got everyones blood hot. Then the “punch” tape appeared and now Goodell gets a little of his own medicine. Goodell is by FAR the worst NFL commissioner to date. As a retired police officer (28 yrs) my last evolvement with a domestic violence case happened in western Palm Beach Co. A young female was stabbed repeatedly in the neck and bleed to death,,,she was, as I remember, 20 yrs old. Battery on a spouse is a big deal in the state of Fla. but not, apparently, in the NFL. Had Ray Ray been arrested in Florida, he would have immediately been arrested and jailed, and there would be none of this BS second degree battery,,,its called “Battery on a Spouse” and you will go to jail!!

  34. They’re not legally prohibited, they just don’t want anyone asking for that kind of stuff. See: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

  35. Mrs.Rice is a volotile,violent woman who should be no mans wife.nobody is going to her her gold mine without a fight. spousal abuse goes both ways.

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