Jameis Winston just doesn’t get it

AP

Jameis Winston just doesn’t get it.

Winston, Florida State’s Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback, doesn’t get how a leader is supposed to act, or for that matter how a decent human being is supposed to act. He certainly doesn’t get how NFL teams — all of them shaken over the last two weeks by the increased scrutiny on players’ off-field misconduct — want their quarterbacks to conduct themselves.

Florida State announced late last night that Winston will not play at all in today’s game against Clemson. He had initially been suspended for the first half of the game for screaming an obscene phrase in the student union; the suspension for the second half reportedly comes because Florida State discovered that Winston lied to school authorities about some of the circumstances surrounding that incident.

Winston, of course, has had many prior off-field incidents that will make NFL teams question whether his immense talent is worth the headaches. By far the most serious is the accusation from a female Florida State student that he raped her. Winston was not charged, and the Tallahassee Police Department botched that investigation so thoroughly that we’ll never know what really happened.

Winston’s other incidents were far less serious than a sexual assault, but the sum total of them is to question whether he cares at all about the potential consequences of his actions: He was arrested for shoplifting crab legs. He was involved in a BB gun battle that damaged his apartment complex, and hours later Florida State police stopped him and handcuffed him for carrying a pellet gun near campus (he said he was using it to shoot at squirrels). Before last season’s national championship game, Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher kicked Winston out of practice and explained later that he wanted Winston to understand that “it’s not about you.”

Add all these things up, and it’s easy to see why NFL teams would decide that they simply don’t want to deal with Winston, no matter how good a quarterback he is. Winston appears to be a player with great talent who lacks the maturity to be a franchise quarterback. Kind of like Ryan Leaf.

149 responses to “Jameis Winston just doesn’t get it

  1. Can’t wait for all the “he’s just a kid” apologists to come out of the woodwork. As it stands know I would not gamble a high draft pick on this guy.

  2. In most years, NFL teams going into the draft wouldn’t have cared at all about this incident and would’ve drafted him very high if they thought he could help their team. In today’s climate, Winston just cost himself millions.

  3. For the long rap sheet that Winston has, I think a whole “full game” suspension to a 17 point underdog, is still pitiful. Now, the ‘Noles are only favored by 12 points.

  4. I had never heard or even seen Winston play until mid season last year.. The cameras were inside the locker room for a pre game speech he gave before kick-off.. I still do not know what he said.. And im 100% certain neither did any of teammates.. _I knew at that second this guy is a total moron and would never be a good pro.. How FSU won the national title is a miracle.

  5. Game-winning drive in the National Championship. That’s all teams care about.

  6. He will “get it”. He will get more digits in his bank account by the age of 22 then I’ve ever had in MY LIFE at 49. Nobody said life was fair. Lol.

  7. Jump off the high-horse Florio. Do you think that if Geno Smith/Ryan Tannehill/Derek Carr/E.J. Manuel busts or the Texans/Titans/Buccaneers get tired of the guys they have and want a new one they’ll let Jameis pass because of this? No. Morality<<<<<<Winning.

  8. The rape charge really seemed to have a lot, and I mean a LOT, of truth to it — and it got brushed under the carpet. OTL did a piece on it, and the evidence was damning — and yet, Winston got off scot-free.

    Winston lies and deceives, seemingly almost habitually. Even getting caught stealing $32 worth of crab legs, shows deceitful and selfish he can be, not to mention how brazen it would be. $32 worth of crab legs is a pretty decent amount. And he got that swept under the rug too.

    Here, we now have more lying. The guy is a grade A scumbag. I wouldn’t care if we still ran the 12 round draft, there is no way I’d touch that train wreck waiting to happen. Oh wait, it is already happening, and has been happening for a long time.

    It’ll be interesting to see what NFL team drafts this clown.

  9. Let’s put aside the sexual assault (I know that sounds harsh and ridiculous) because he was never charged with a crime in that incident. We still live in the USA where you are innocent until proven guilty (someone should tell ESPN that). The other “issues” he’s had are minor and something that a lot of college kids would have done and have done. Shooting a bb gun, stealing food, bringing attention to yourself on campus, I can honestly say who cares? Do I want him leading my team…..NO. Should he be crucified because the media needs to demonize football players right now….NO

  10. I am glad the Raiders have their QB in Carr……when they earn the 1st pick in the draft (ugh!!) they won’t be tempted to take this idiot.

  11. This kid is country dumb. His antics have cost him millions and he still doesn’t get it. If I was an NFL team I would be concerned about using a 1st rd pick on someone who is clearly a follower and not a leader.

  12. At what point do we stop blaming Goodell for the misconduct of grown men and start having a conversation about the NCAA and how they foster the environment of criminal activity among student players because it makes the NCAA money? These players are not held accountable in college and then we are surprised that they don’t know how to act in the pro’s. Then we call for the head of the NFL Commissioner. Just doesn’t make sense to me.

  13. I’m stymied. How did the Tallahassee police botch the rape investigation so badly the truth will never be known when they never bothered to investigate it at all?

  14. logicalvoicesays says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:02 AM

    Janeis will be fine. He’s going to be a Top 5 QB in Pro Football within 3 years. All thos critiques are hogwash. #LetJameislive

    Probably get drafted by Washington….oh yeah yall made the worst trade in NFL history for the biggest bust in NFL history. No help is coming either all the hope you had will be putting on a Rams uni.

  15. And with the first pick in the NFL draft the NY Giants pick…..Jameis Winston
    Or, with the 10th pick in the draft, the Dallas Cowboys select ….Jameis Winston
    They are both going to draft qb’s. Guaranteed

  16. And how many people are wondering, what would Jameis be like if he had gotten discipline as child like Adrian Peterson got….

    Disclaimer: I don’t endorse the degree or manner (i.e. using a switch) that Adrian disciplined his kids, but at the same time, I believe some of that in this case, might have prevented some of these actions….

  17. vincentvega513:

    Johnny Football didn’t rape a girl or steal. And oh by the way he is handling his humbling second-string status just fine. So I’m guessing…yeah he gets it.

  18. Yes, he is a kid…and a male at that. Maturity is a long way off. People make the mistake in thinking that because he is physically mature, that he is also psychologically mature. Also, please don’t think that fame or money will make him grow up or that he should know what’s at stake and therefore act better. This isn’t gonna happen and glaring examples are right in front of us ((e.g. Johnny footballl, Justin beiber)

  19. I was a sports fan at one time. Jerry Jones, Mark Gastineau, Dexter Manly and Penn State made me realize its not worth it.

    I still love sports. Great plays! Good people enjoying themselves. But at a price.

    They no longer have me as an audience.

    Standards and morals come into play every other place. Why not sports?

  20. He seems to have the personality of a sociopath. Most likely makes him a great quarterback, but not a great person. He is probably very intelligent. Added that because someone questioned his GPA. I am sure his draft stock will be somewhat hurt by his actions, but by the time the draft takes place, most people will most likely not remember all of the crap that has happened this fall.

  21. Million dollar talent but only 2 cents of common sense and decency. Kid cause more flags to be raised than the U.N.

  22. It’s not even really a character thing, it stems from him having the IQ of a peanut. Seriously, this guy just might set a record on the Wonderlic. Like they’ll come to collect his test, and he’ll have this bewildered look on his face like “Oh, I was supposed to write on this thing?”

  23. ezcheese says:Sep 20, 2014 11:22 AM
    At what point do we stop blaming Goodell for the misconduct of grown men and start having a conversation about the NCAA and how they foster the environment of criminal activity among student players because it makes the NCAA money?
    ——————————
    A better question is: At what point do we stop blaming Goodell for the misconduct of grown men and start blaming the grown men? Whatever happened to personal accountability? It’s not Goodell’s responsibility or a university’s responsibility to ensure these adults–and after the age of 18 they are adults–conduct themselves according to basic societal rules. Too many try to look for someone or some organization to blame when the answer is simple–the individual is responsible for his actions–period. Just because some are not held accountable doesn’t exonerate them from adhering to simple standards of behavior. Quit making excuses for these guys.

  24. He’s immature for sure, not sure about the rape but it is a problem that he can’t keep his nose clean with the other silly issues with so much at stake….19-20 yr old kids steal food from cafeteria, they have stupid fights,( in college me and my friends had a bottle rocket fight), they yell stupid stuff in public…..what will he do when he has 20 million in the bank?

  25. I personally have to admit, just from my own moral compass, that I really don’t care about any of this controversy that Jameis is associated with right now. As far as I know he wasn’t even charged with sexual assault. That’s good enough for me, since the rest of what is floating around Jameis’ name is just idiocy more than pure criminality. In America, we used to hang black people down South if there was even the whiff of rape (of a white woman but all the same) – I’d much rather let a presently fair court system be the judge of any crimes committed than have a mob baited by sports media deciding the future of exceptionally talented kids like Jameis. You all do realize he’s a 20 year old prototypical quarterback phenom, right? That cannot be taught…

  26. After being suspended for the first half, what half wit administrator at Fla.ST. Came up with the bright idea to parade him in front of a press conference?..Box Of Rocks…

  27. Haha yea he didn’t rape a girl but he’s still snorting coke in public bathrooms after turning pro so let’s get off the high horse about how manziel “gets it”

  28. He got away with the rape acusation but if you read the transcript of the victim’s account, she has high credibility and Jameis was out of control animal.
    Missing playing time might wake him up that he can’t expect to go through life just getting lucky because he’s a good footballer.
    He has enormous natural talent but any GM who takes him is a big gambler.

  29. Watched grandsons 7th grade team last night,no acting like they had never scored a TD or made a tackle or int, it was really refreshing to watch the game being played like it was meant to be played.

  30. He needs to grow up for sure with all the silly stuff he gets into but to everyone attacking his GPA and smarts, Winston carried a 4.0 GPA throughout High School and has above a 3.5 GPA at Florida State even though he plays 2 sports. He just doesn’t speak well, that’s a product of his childhood schools not having speech classes, not his IQ. Winston truly is a smart kid, just not mature, he needs to grow up.

  31. He thought “shooting at squirrels” was a decent thing to do? He probably kicks and beats puppies

  32. Vikings will draft him and Adrian Peterson will set him straight.

    Although, if that’s what he did for pushing a family member during a football game, Jameis better watch out.

  33. cwm005 says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:43 AM

    He seems to have the personality of a sociopath. Most likely makes him a great quarterback, but not a great person. He is probably very intelligent. Added that because someone questioned his GPA. I am sure his draft stock will be somewhat hurt by his actions, but by the time the draft takes place, most people will most likely not remember all of the crap that has happened this fall.
    ———————————————————-

    Don’t kid yourself, NONE of the teams will forget, not a single one!

  34. Ahh great “the way the game is supposed to be played” like emotionless robots. Refreshing, can’t wait to watch that generation on TV

  35. I think he’ll be allright in the NFL. As long as he doesn’t get drafted by a Team located near Crab Legs, Squirrels, BB Guns……or College Co-eds.

  36. He actually represents the NFL’s opportunity to demonstrate to the public (and selfishly to sponsors with dollars) that they stand for something more than just if you can throw, catch or run.
    His blatant tendencies (and actual criminal actions) toward women is the message the NFL needs to pursue in simply not drafting him.
    Make him ineligible for the draft because of personal conduct.

    Yeah – I get the need for second chances in life and forgiveness and the ability to change and just being young and the rest of it. However, you simply get to do that outside the NFL – you blew your chance here, kid.

    But, if the NFL wants to send a message of public responsibility, make incoming players accountable. They have an opportunity to earn millions over the course of their lives and become public figureheads. What’s the famous philosopher’s line? With great power comes great responsibility? Okay, Uncle Ben in Spiderman, but you get it….

    Wield your influence, NFL. Prove you have the ability to show some public responsibility and outward betterment. You talk about an upcoming culture of change and the tolerance level you want to exhibit for crimes against women and children. Speak loudly with this moron and don’t draft him.

  37. punkyqb says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:38 AM
    What is the difference between Jameis Winston and the majority the the QB’s starting in the NFL?
    ——————-
    Where do you want me to start?

  38. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:11 AM
    The rape charge really seemed to have a lot, and I mean a LOT, of truth to it — and it got brushed under the carpet. OTL did a piece on it, and the evidence was damning — and yet, Winston got off scot-free.

    Winston lies and deceives, seemingly almost habitually. Even getting caught stealing $32 worth of crab legs, shows deceitful and selfish he can be, not to mention how brazen it would be. $32 worth of crab legs is a pretty decent amount. And he got that swept under the rug too.

    Here, we now have more lying. The guy is a grade A scumbag. I wouldn’t care if we still ran the 12 round draft, there is no way I’d touch that train wreck waiting to happen. Oh wait, it is already happening, and has been happening for a long time.

    It’ll be interesting to see what NFL team drafts this clown.
    ————

    What EVIDENCE? That she changed her story more than A.A. Milne? You sheep believe whatever you are told and refuse to read testimony that is public record. You’re worse than anything you claim Winston is.

  39. Clearly, he is a knucklehead.

    He has plenty of time to right the ship. However, his track record being what it is… he also has plenty of time to sink it.

  40. Ferdinand says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:24 AM
    I’m stymied. How did the Tallahassee police botch the rape investigation so badly the truth will never be known when they never bothered to investigate it at all?
    ———

    They didn’t. The accuser lied rampantly and couldn’t tell enough lies to substantiate an arrest, much less a trial. So this talk about “rape” needs to stop.

  41. uglydingo says:
    Sep 20, 2014 12:07 PM
    He got away with the rape acusation but if you read the transcript of the victim’s account, she has high credibility and Jameis was out of control animal.
    Missing playing time might wake him up that he can’t expect to go through life just getting lucky because he’s a good footballer.
    He has enormous natural talent but any GM who takes him is a big gambler.
    —————-

    You clearly didn’t read it.

  42. yvonnsase1972 says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:41 AM
    Yes, he is a kid…and a male at that. Maturity is a long way off. People make the mistake in thinking that because he is physically mature, that he is also psychologically mature.
    ======

    Sure, that’s why every single male his age gets arrested multiple times before they turn 21.

    Wait, they don’t? How can that be? Isn’t maturity a long way off for all of them?

  43. Kid doesn’t realize that he’s no Jameis F, I mean Johnny Football,who got suspended for 30 minutes for actual violations.

    Dad wanted someone to watch over him? Maybe dad should move to Tallahassee or is dad the problem?

  44. patfic5 says:
    Sep 20, 2014 12:41 PM
    punkyqb says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:38 AM
    What is the difference between Jameis Winston and the majority the the QB’s starting in the NFL?

    ====

    Every QB in the league has multiple arrests on their record and has been investigated for rape?

    I must have missed a few headlines. I WAS on vacation the last two weeks.

  45. Teams cannot afford a QB who makes bad decisions regardless of the talent he brings to the table. This guy is a dumber version of Michael Vick or Ryan Leaf. He may have a ton of talent but he is very immature and he will fail in the NFL because he does not have the proper mindset. The sad thing is that he is too stupid to even recognize it.

  46. If he can get his act straight to remain eligible for this season, he will likely be drafted. But, it won’t be in as high of a spot a if he didn’t have all of this hanging over his head. Unless he truly gets his act together quickly, he will fall greatly, and possibly not get drafted, as teams don’t want the headache and scrutinize things even more closely after this season.

  47. Having a good arm and/or a winning college record isn’t enough to make a successful NFL quarterback. Maturity and leadership ability are a huge part of the equation. Winston is no younger than Brady or Luck or any other player coming out of college. But he’s demonstrated an unwillingness to listen to his coaches and advisors, an inability to learn from his mistakes. His ego and sense of entitlement seem out of control.

    I believe in second chances and defended Winston on several occasions. But at some point, you have to hear what his actions are saying. He doesn’t get it, and you can’t gamble a multi-million-dollar contract or a team’s future that moving to the pros will wake him up.

  48. Folks know it or not the combination of: Ray Rice, AP and the NFL wanting the additional income from a growing FEMALE fanbase has Roger Goodell’s job in SERIOUS jeopardy! NO TEAM in the NEXT draft (not the last one, the NEXT ONE) will want to draft a guy who could EASILY cost them their jobs and/or put their team behind the NFL’s “eight ball”! There ARE other players out there with talent at every position. IF he IS drafted AT ALL, it will be WAY late and the team will watch him closely.

  49. This kid is stuck on stupid. You are the biggest fish on campus and you just can’t get out of your own way? Clearly there is a downside to success too early. Instead of being a 1st rounder in the NFL, because of the world’s unrealistic preoccupation with the Ray Rice incident and his own stupidity, he may end up in the CFL or Arena league. Just dumb stuff. And the comment he blurted…. makes no damn sense to do so…. not even as a joke.

  50. Early 1st rounder if he’s healthy. Nobody is passing this guy up no matter what woman’s group or media outlet has to say about it.

  51. the bucs say winlesss for Winston we will draft him go bucs stay winless and take this kid, its about winning football games not what the media blows out of proportion, where is the media when the players visit hospitals and sick kids we don’t here about that all we hear is the dirt as don Henley says dirty laundry, I don’t watch sports to hear about peoples morals and off field actions, we have I think 28 members of congress charged or accussed of domestic violence why don’t we start there if we are going to clean up the country corrupt and overbearing cops killing innocents these are people that need to be crucified for their actions not football players, if you don’t like it quit watching it and let the real fans watch the ballers play

  52. With the way the NFL has acted lately, famous Jameis should fit right in.

    No wonder there was no place for Tebow.

  53. utahgetme2 says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:49 AM
    ezcheese says:Sep 20, 2014 11:22 AM
    At what point do we stop blaming Goodell for the misconduct of grown men and start having a conversation about the NCAA and how they foster the environment of criminal activity among student players because it makes the NCAA money?
    ——————————
    A better question is: At what point do we stop blaming Goodell for the misconduct of grown men and start blaming the grown men? Whatever happened to personal accountability? It’s not Goodell’s responsibility or a university’s responsibility to ensure these adults–and after the age of 18 they are adults–conduct themselves according to basic societal rules. Too many try to look for someone or some organization to blame when the answer is simple–the individual is responsible for his actions–period. Just because some are not held accountable doesn’t exonerate them from adhering to simple standards of behavior. Quit making excuses for these guys.
    ***************************************

    No one is blaming Goodell for misconduct of grown men, we are blaming Goodell for covering up misconduct of grown men…keep up with whats happening…..

  54. Hell still be taken unfortunately. That is how the NFL works currently. He may fall from top 5, and Mariotta could step up. However there are just too many teams out there that could use a top-flight QB like him.

  55. Yea, he “lied” about being on a table and how many times he shouted it. Stop being dense, Mike. I know that’s hard for you these days. He was never going to play this weekend, and the school president and AD just officially did what Roger Goodell did retroactively what was going to be done in the game anyway, him sitting the whole thing out.

  56. I am sure a football team in the National Football League will take a chance with Jameis Winston since the general manager of head coach will take a chance to reform him. Good luck with that.

  57. Since many NFL teams are getting by right now with sub par QB’s, my money says this guy gets picked pretty quick. The team that takes him will wink and nod and bite their lip and pray every night that he doesn’t blow up in their face.

    My other money says he will destroy his career in less than 2 years. Just wait and see what kind of trouble he can cause after he gets a few million in the bank.

  58. He’s too immature. Not surprising as he’s young and has been coddled but that’s just going to set him back. The rape thing aside (I don’t believe it was true and neither did the police), he keeps getting in trouble for petty & stupid things.

  59. JC Cooper says:
    Sep 20, 2014 11:42 AM
    I was a sports fan at one time. Jerry Jones, Mark Gastineau, Dexter Manly and Penn State made me realize its not worth it.

    I still love sports. Great plays! Good people enjoying themselves. But at a price.

    They no longer have me as an audience.

    Standards and morals come into play every other place. Why not sports?
    ——————————————-

    But yet you read and post here, got it.

  60. “Show us that million-dollar arm, ’cause I got a good idea about that five-cent head of yours” — Crash Davis to ‘Nuke’ LaLoosh in the movie ‘Bull Durham.’
    Sound familiar?

  61. This kid is a punk who thinks the world owes him everything. There is a chance he will actually get it one day but from what I have seen,not a chance. It’s a shame for the others on FSU who do the right thing.

  62. A drop in draft position would actually do Jameis some good. And I have changed my mind. Where I once thought he should stay another year to mature, it’s clear the environment in Tallahassee is not conducive to that process. He needs to go to a team to sit behind a veteran mentor and to be surrounded by grown men every day for at least a year before he steps on the field. It does him no good at this point to be surrounded by immature kids and unaccountable, enabling adults.

  63. Too bad the Vikings didn’t wait until the next draft to pick up a future QB. This pea-brain would fit right in with that group.

  64. Still doesn’t get it. Came out on the field at the game tonight in full uniform. Coach told him to get back to the locker room and take it off.

    He has some serious issues….

  65. My hope is that it costs him in where he is picked. In fact, I would almost like to see the NFL won’t permit an idiot like this to be picked in the first round. It will ultimately cost him money. We my have another Ryan Leaf on our hands.

  66. This article is right on target. Somebody will draft him because of his talent, but he won’t be drafted nearly as high as he would have been if he hadn’t spent the last two years acting like an idiot. If I were running an NFL team, I’d take him off my board entirely. Who needs a guy like this in your locker room?

    I would ask whether anybody was advising this guy, but I already know that the answers are either (1) no, or (2) it doesn’t matter because he doesn’t listen to advice.

    Anyway, I hope he enjoyed those crab legs. They cost him at least a million dollars.

  67. Serious question: Is Jameis better off playing baseball?

    From a personality/intellectual/maturity standpoint….a couple years of relative anonymity in the minor leagues might be the best thing for him. Otherwise he’s on a fast track Ryan Leaf/Vince Young land.

    Not just maturity and behavior…I have real doubts as to whether or not he is intelligent enough to play qb at the NFL level.

    But a plus fastball with movement and a plus plus breaking ball with a good smart veteran backstop calling pitches for him could be a less treacherous path to success.

    Of course he’ll pick football. But I wonder if he should.

  68. You would think that Winston would want to keep a low profile after skating on the sex assault investigation.

    To this end, I don’t think they sat him for the entire game because of media scrutiny, they sat him down because someone figured out that FSU still has Title IX investigation to get past. They have to show some “institutional control”.

  69. ugadogs21 says:
    Sep 20, 2014 9:46 PM
    You would think that Winston would want to keep a low profile after skating on the sex assault investigation.

    To this end, I don’t think they sat him for the entire game because of media scrutiny, they sat him down because someone figured out that FSU still has Title IX investigation to get past. They have to show some “institutional control”.
    —————-

    Fortunately, what you think and what is reality are about as disparate as Winston’s performance and Maguire’s thus far in this game.

  70. Doesn’t get it. First he claims he was vindicated in the rape case. Then in the shoplifting case he completes his community service in three days whereas most offenders take several weeks to work off their community service. How do you spell enabled?

  71. Florida State should just kick him off the team. Players have been kicked off teams before and those teams never were terrible after that. Go look in Florida and janoris Jenkins.

    By the way, did and Florida State kick a running back off the team and become victorious after doing so?

  72. It’s really sad to see a kid given every opportunity, 2nd 3rd 4th.. but it’s still about him when his team should’ve lost and he was running all over the sidelines.. With Playoff rankings in the balance..

    95% of his team, unlike him, will be afforded no such luck in life.

    They’ll be lucky to sell what ever videos they have of his behavior to TMZ.. What a waste…

  73. If there is a buck to be made, we will be seeing this guy on Sundays. There are still NFL teams out there where winning is more important than character.

    We already know there are colleges where winning is more important [Florida State University]. Fortunately, there are college coaches, like Charlie Strong of The University of Texas – Austin, who know playing college football is a privilege and character and personal discipline count in both football and life.

  74. Wow the self-righteous have come out in full force. I love how most on here assume he was guilty of rape. Fact is, I have no clue what happened that night, but neither does anyone other than those involved. I will admit I assumed the Duke lacrosse team was also guilty. Lesson learned. Throwing out accusations that Winston is a rapist based on what ESPN and other shows said is reckless and not fair. If it is somehow determined he did it, bury him under the jail. If it comes out that she made up the story, she deserves the same punishment. Jameis is a knucklehead plain and simple, but a rapist? No thanks, I will wait on actual proof before ever labeling someone with such a serious title. And why do I have a feeling a number of these posts are coming from Gators and other SEC fans still bitter.

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