NFL stands by Carpenter personal foul that negated Harvin TD

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The Seahawks weren’t happy with a penalty on guard James Carpenter on Monday night that negated a deep touchdown pass from Russell Wilson to Percy Harvin. But the league office was happy the penalty was called.

NFL head of officiating Dean Blandino says Carpenter took a shot at a defenseless defensive lineman on the ground, and deserved to get flagged for a personal foul.

“That’s a foul. A player on the ground gets defenseless player protection,” Blandino said in the NFL’s weekly officiating video. “You can finish that block if it’s all one continuous act. . . . But once we separate, and we have this separate act of driving down on the player to the head or neck area, that’s a foul for unnecessary roughness. . . . He makes contact with the arm, the forearm to the head or neck area. That’s a foul for unnecessary roughness.”

That’s going to come as a big surprise to the Seahawks. Seattle offensive line coach Tom Cable said Carpenter was playing just the kind of smash-mouth football that Cable teaches.

It was [a bad call],” Cable said. “He just finished it. I always tell those guys: You don’t worry about stuff like that as long as you’re doing it right. If it’s late, if it’s something that’s stupid, I don’t want it. But that wasn’t.”

Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll called the officials’ decision to call a penalty on Carpenter “outrageous.” But Blandino is the person the officials answer to. And Blandino says it was the right call.

71 responses to “NFL stands by Carpenter personal foul that negated Harvin TD

  1. Every one of the Seahawks o-lineman take multiple cheap shots in every single game. Cable teaches them to follow the ball carrier downfield to finish the play. Great strategy which should be taught but the o-lineman routinely blind side and cheap shot guys away from the ball when they go downfield. There was a blatant personal foul late in the Seahawks game where Lynch broke down the left sideline and then cut back in. After he was down a Seahawks lineman comes down and lays out a DB for the Redskins. Totally cheap, totally illegal, no call. They do it multiple times every game. For Cable to cry about this obvious call tells you all you need to know about Tom Cable and his coaching style.

  2. Watching “A Football Life” about the invention of the forward pass right now and maybe they should make a documentary about how they took the pancake block out of football.

  3. “Garbage?”

    Really? The man was laying on the field 20 yards away from the ball when he was hit. Taking a cheap shot on a guy who’s on his back has been illegal for many years. Jeez, where do you guys come from.

  4. poweri26– that lineman was Sweezy, and it was an awesome block. The Seahawks play physical, smash mouth football, the type that this game was invented for. Don’t complain that it wasn’t called when the Washington team got plenty of ticky-tacky calls the entire game.
    The Seahawks were 40 points better on Monday but once again the referees decided to insert the invisible hand of the NFL and keep the game from becoming another prime time blowout.

  5. Like his boss Roger the Dodger, Dean Blandino is full of himself … and we are certainly full of him … enough already !!!

  6. The lineman poweri26 is talking about was fined today. Think he has a point, he sounds less butt-hurt than the seahawk fans posting above me.

  7. It looked like a good, continuous block to me. The NFL is always going to back their refs bad calls. Remember the Fail Mary? Same thing here, bad call, but they say it was correct.

  8. Blandino is a joke, Goodell is a joke, their refs are a joke. Even Peter King Tweeted that all he was doing was finishing the block and making sure the guy didn’t get up. There was nothing malicious in the hit at all. It was a clinical finish. But amazingly, when a Redskins defender targeted Russell Wilson’s head with an intentional helmet to helmet hit, it was neither called nor fined.

    Blandino, Goodell and the competition committee which is adding all these stupid rules all need to go.

  9. No surprise since the Seahawk players do not know what a penalty is or what is illegal as they do not believe the rulebook applies to them. Hey, they just take a page out of their coach’s book who broke every NCAA and PAC12 rule he can find and left before the sanctions came down on poor little USC (university of spoiled children).

  10. Funny thing:

    I’ve watched replays from a couple of angles showing no contact to the head from the forearm, although I see how it could *almost* look like it. He kept him down and fell on the guy, but never did he intentionally drive his arm into the guy’s head and video evidence of such contact is inconclusive at best.

  11. Side note:

    Helmet to helmet hit on Russell Wilson and Garçon pulling Sherman’s hair all game warranted no penalty or fine after the fact.

    Thursdays are for blowouts, Mondays are for “competitive” games. Nicely done, NFL.

  12. It is taught by every OL coach from high school on to jump on the guy u block after u put him on the ground basically lay on him so he doesn’t get up. It’s not dirty it’s football. If you don’t know that then don’t comment on it why do you think the OL coach and the head coach were so outraged. People who don’t know what they’re talking about and giving out opinions is the new epidemic in America. As for the NFL not admitting it was the wrong call well that’s because they never like to admit the refs are wrong. If it wasn’t called there would be no qualms about it. It wouldn’t even been looked at by the NFL.

  13. It is taught by every OL coach from high school on to jump on the guy u block after u put him on the ground basically lay on him so he doesn’t get up. It’s not dirty it’s football. If you don’t know that then don’t comment on it why do you think the OL coach and the head coach were so outraged. People who don’t know what they’re talking about and giving out opinions is the new epidemic in America. As for the NFL not admitting it was the wrong call well that’s because they never like to admit the refs are wrong. If it wasn’t called there would be no qualms about it. It wouldn’t even been looked at by the NFL.

    Not a Seahawks fan btw.

  14. When did Dean Blandino ever see a penalty he didn’t like. He is trying to make officiating a bigger part of the game.
    Memo to Roger – most fans don’t watch the game to be marvelled by obtuse penalties. Blandino is a dangerous little Hitler who gets excited by seeing more flags thrown.

  15. The NFL has ruled that if you wear long hair, it can be pulled with no penalty. So why would they fine Garcon after the fact when they’ve already said that they have no issue with yanking of dreads?

  16. The sad thing is at the end of every play or TD now fans and even the announcers are looking for the flags to negate the play. That is now the norm and James Capenter play I watched happen in football so now Blandino defends it, I bet he defend the Andre Johnson fumble his office reviewed last night when Mike Carey said no possesion – no fumble. The video showed exactly that.

    Percy Harvin’s 2 out of 3 were questionable calls but there are so many big plays in games where its hands to the face or defensive holding on subjective calls that help and hurt teams. Mark Cubin was onto something because NFL thinks it can’t lose its fans.

  17. TheseNFL Execs. are perilously close to killing the goose that laid the golden egg…that goose has been laying regularly for so long that these obtuse donkeys can not even fathom the serious damage they are causing to the game we all love, regarless of our team affiliations…Senseless, and Goodell is at the head of the table…..old proverb….a fish rots from the head down….applicable? Someting’s gotta give!

  18. If they want to change the rule to eliminate the pancake block to the finish, let the rules committee make that proposed change and owners finalize it. I object to what seems to be that in this case the Ref’s decided to change a fundamental play that has always been.

    It would be helpful if they could have pointed to other similar calls on the line over the past few years……..anyone? If not, why now and without any point of emphasis training/warning?

    As for the pancake future; it seems simple…..don’t lead with forearm to the head/neck and it would seem to be okay…..

  19. “The NFL has ruled that if you wear long hair, it can be pulled with no penalty. So why would they fine Garcon after the fact when they’ve already said that they have no issue with yanking of dreads?”
    ________________

    You can only pull hair if you’re tackling a runner with the ball in his hand. Otherwise it’s called holding. Still a penalty in my book, not to mention the blatant facemask penalty that wasn’t called.

  20. westsiiide says:
    Oct 10, 2014 6:46 PM
    The NFL has ruled that if you wear long hair, it can be pulled with no penalty. So why would they fine Garcon after the fact when they’ve already said that they have no issue with yanking of dreads?
    ________________________________
    No, the NFL has ruled that the hair is part of the body and you can tackle a player by it because it is part of the body. So, if a receiver decides to pull a defender’s hair, he is illegally holding a part of the body. He should have been called for offensive holding (or offensive pass interference if the ball was already in the air).

  21. You guys calling this a pancake block must not watch much football. A pancake is when you engage a defender and drive him to the ground on his back. If a defender goes down and you jump on top of him you are not pancaking him. I am indifferent between this being being called a personal foul or not, looks really close, but this not a pancake block in any way, shape or form.

  22. And to think my beloved Seahawks are the reason these idiots got their jobs back after the infamous ‘Fail Mary’, aka great pass and reception. Bring back the replacements, these clowns are a joke.

  23. Fact is the refs got that call wrong and also the one when they called Harvin for illegal motion. They took away 2 TDs from a spectacular player, along with about a half dozen other gaffes, like the Unger “head bob” call. The refs are a joke and the game is becoming one too. Sad.

  24. I hate the Seahawks and it was a bad call. Harvin moved, illegal motion was the correct call. Can’t everyone see what’s going on? The league is quietly and systematically eliminating virtually all forms of physical contact. In 30 years it won’t even be considered a contact sport. tick tock….

  25. These flags are phase one of a bigger plan. In a few short years the nfl will be selling advertising spots on the zebras stripes, they’ll look like NASCAR. Only it will have a negative effect. Fans will become disgusted with the flags and boycott the sponsers and the league will fold when all advertisers pull out.

  26. We are all hooked but there’s no question the NFL product has gotten worse. These games with all the penalties are sometimes boring to watch and attend. Again we’re hooked anyway but I wonder how new viewers are liking the game at this point

  27. Hey 12th ‘bags: remember a couple years ago when you were strictly Sounders fans? so do we

  28. He finished the block when Percy was 20 yards down field. This was smashmouth football 30 years ago. Times and information on injuries have changed. Like it or not, this will be enforced, and especially against the Seahawks. Cable has just made his group prime targets for the NFL by saying this is the football he teaches. Rules don’t care about personal ideology.

    Glad to see Petey get his knickers in a bunch. Maybe just tell his players to do it every play so the refs don’t call it…..

  29. Um, last time I checked getting knocked flat on your back is the dictionary definition of getting “pancaked.”

    What Harvin did was not illegal motion either. He turned square to the line of scrimmage. He’s asked for clarification from the league office and received none.

    Refs are a disaster.

  30. The holding call on him was a fine call, Percy’s offsides was tick tacky, but the personal foul was a bad call. They disengaged for a second that seems longer than it really was in slow motion. Game should have been a blowout.

  31. jeffbye says: Oct 10, 2014 6:35 PM

    Side note:

    Helmet to helmet hit on Russell Wilson and Garçon pulling Sherman’s hair all game warranted no penalty or fine after the fact.

    Thursdays are for blowouts, Mondays are for “competitive” games. Nicely done, NFL.

    No pulling on the hair was called because it’s not a penalty. It’s no different than pulling on a jersey. Read the rule book.

  32. Blandino can’t come up with a single game in the last 30 years other than Monday night where a similar play by Carpenter was flagged for unnecessary roughness. NFL is in full CYA mode after the refs made it a little too obvious they were managing the score, not the game. Even if we accept that all calls made on the Seahawks were in fact penalties that does not excuse the blatant no-calls on the Redskins, or the silence from the fines committee regarding the helmet to helmet hits.

  33. coloradical420 says:
    Oct 10, 2014 7:03 PM
    The Seahacks got away with a dozen holding calls so they can quit their whining.

    -this analpained Bronco fan is not biased in anyway whatsoever, he speaks the truth

  34. I find the hate amusing. If these calls were against your team you’d be singing a different toon.

    The league has, repeatedly, made clear that Seattle in primetime is bad for business because of blowouts. This game was well into the blowout stage early and then the calls started.

    Seattle commits penalties like any other team but any impartial, knowledgeable fan could see the officials were trying to keep this game close to keep the dollars flowing.

    The best call, or no call, was watching Garcòn block Sherman by pulling his face mask or watching Baker rush Unger with a hand on or under Unger’s face mask.

    End result the correct team won and the score matters little…next game please.

  35. How many football games as Blandino played. Whats his experience other then throwing yellow flags, which takes no experience at all. My pet dog can throw a yellow flag,,,,the dumbing down of the NFL football and its fans,,,,

  36. Honestly, did you think the NFL would admit to its own mistakes several weeks in a row? They don’t mind showing their fallible side occasionally (plays well with the rubes), but too much and everyone will lose confidence.

  37. National Flag League………….when the game discussion is dominated by penalties and not the product on the field you have a problem……the NFL is really getting clueless……somewhere Mark Cuban is smiling….

  38. What a bunch of idiots that either do not know football or are just trying to stoke the fire with their idiotic comments. A pancake block occurs when the offensive lineman while during the process of the block, drives his opponent to the ground backwards. A foul is when an opponent is already on the ground, with no one blocking him, and another player comes and dives on top of him.

    So just stop with the foolishness already. Seattle won in spite of itself. They came into the game leading the league in penalties and for good reason. Good luck winning ring number 2 like that.

  39. The fact they feel compelled to defend it tells you all you need to know.

    And to those saying the irrelevant Garcon pulling hair was OK… wrong.

    Offensive player can’t grab a defensive player by the hair or jersey and try to throw them out of the way.

  40. when you’re on top of the mountain, everyone wants to knock you off. Enjoy this, Seattle. Its a good sign.

  41. Dont worry Peetee, it’s just a penalty on the field. Nothing so bad that you’ll have to quit the Seahawks to avoid any personal responsibility, you know, like you last job

  42. Wow, you Seattle fans are hilarious. If someone did that to a Seahawk, you would want him suspended, forget the penalty.

    I’m all for “hard nosed” football, but he went after a guy on the ground, with no chance to make a play, and not making any effort to get back in the play. Did he just fall on him, and make sure he couldn’t get up? A play I’ve seen a million time? No, he threw a WWF style forearm shot on the way down.

    If that isn’t dirty, then other teams should be allowed to do the exact same thing to Russel Wilson. If you don’t think that is ok, than shut up, accept you won the game even though your guy made a dirty play that cost them a TD, and stop searching for something to whine about

  43. For people crying about Sherman’s hair being pulled, and no penalty being called, it is not and never has been a penalty to pull someone’s hair. If you don’t want to take the time to tuck your dreadlocks or ponytail into your helmet, that is your problem.

    When I played in college, we were coached to do it if they were dumb enough to give use the option. If your hair covers your jersey, it’s not the defenses job to avoid touching it

  44. 49th parallel, 6 degrees right says:
    Oct 10, 2014 9:11 PM
    Hey 12th ‘bags: remember a couple years ago when you were strictly Sounders fans? so do we

    ————-

    It makes sense that you only remember the last few years because that’s the only time the Whiners have been relevant in the last 20 years.

    Hey, the EMP is showing off the Lombardi starting on Oct 14th. You should buy a ticket so you can experience what a championship feels like as an adult.

  45. I wonder what the comments would be like here if the same play involved Suh instead of Carpenter?

  46. westsiiide said:

    “The NFL has ruled that if you wear long hair, it can be pulled with no penalty. So why would they fine Garcon after the fact when they’ve already said that they have no issue with yanking of dreads?”

    As pointed out above, it’s called holding when against a non ball carrier. What is confusing about the rules is why, since the hair is attached to the head, why it is is not either classed as a face-mask or horse-collar penalty. No other tackle that involves grabbing the head is in any way tolerated – so why are dreads fair game?

  47. @mrs wright – that was not a pancake block. A pancake block is where the OL drives and powers his man all the way to the ground. Carpenter jumped and threw an elbow to the chin of a defenseless player who was already down. Definite cheap shot.

  48. jaydgrog says:
    Oct 11, 2014 7:56 PM
    @mrs wright – that was not a pancake block. A pancake block is where the OL drives and powers his man all the way to the ground. Carpenter jumped and threw an elbow to the chin of a defenseless player who was already down. Definite cheap shot.
    ——–

    1. Be more creative.

    2. You try to pull that, yet you’re the whiny, effeminate one complaining about a pancake block.

    3. Leave the football to those who played and coached it. It was a pancake block.

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