NFL morning after: Teams win and lose, quarterbacks don’t

AP

Colt McCoy is a winner. And so is Blake Bortles. Kyle Orton and Ryan Tannehill, too. And don’t forget Austin Davis, who made a loser of Russell Wilson. Drew Brees? Like Wilson, a loser. Philip Rivers is a loser, and so is Eli Manning. Cam Newton is a big loser.

That’s one way to look at yesterday’s NFL action. It’s an all too common way to look at the NFL. It’s a ridiculous way to look at the NFL.

There’s a tendency to say that a quarterback “won” a game or “lost” a game, and to diminish a great performance by a quarterback in a losing effort, or prop up a bad performance by a quarterback whose team won, by saying that all that matters is the scoreboard. That tendency should stop. Teams win and lose. Quarterbacks do not.

Colt McCoy played well yesterday in relief of Kirk Cousins as Washington beat Tennessee, but that doesn’t make McCoy a “winner.” It makes him a backup quarterback who did his job well. Blake Bortles played badly, with just 159 passing yards and three interceptions, but the rest of his team played well enough that Jacksonville beat Cleveland. We shouldn’t call Bortles a “winner” based on that performance.

There was a stat making the rounds earlier this season about how Russell Wilson was undefeated against Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. And it’s true. It’s also largely irrelevant to a question of who’s the best quarterback among that group. The quarterback who wins the most is usually the quarterback with the best teammates. Wilson is a good quarterback, but he has a Super Bowl ring more because he played for a team with a great defense last year than because of his own abilities.

And if you think Wilson’s record against Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers makes him better than those four quarterbacks, I’d love to know what you thought about Wilson “losing” to Austin Davis yesterday.

Andrew Luck, one of the winning quarterbacks yesterday, said it well after his Colts beat the Bengals: “It’s the greatest team game in the world because you rely on different phases of the game,” Luck said. “I’m just like a fan — I might as well be a fan when our defense is out there. I don’t know what the calls are or anything, but they do a heck of a job and they certainly gave us a great lift today, and I’m glad they got that shutout.”

Luck played well, and the Colts’ defense played well, and Indianapolis won 27-0. But if Luck had played well, the Colts’ defense played badly, and Indianapolis lost 35-27, would that change how good a player Luck is? Of course not.

Tony Romo has taken plenty of heat when his team loses, and now he’s getting lots of credit because the Cowboys are winning, but the reality is Romo is the same quarterback he always was. The Cowboys’ offensive line is better than ever, DeMarco Murray is playing lights out and the Cowboys’ defense is much improved, and so the perennially .500 Cowboys are 6-1. Romo, who got too much blame when the Cowboys were 8-8, will get too much credit if the Cowboys keep winning.

For 55 minutes yesterday, Drew Brees played better against a good Lions defense than Matthew Stafford did against a bad Saints defense. Does the fact that the Saints’ lousy defense finally got exposed in the last five minutes, and Stafford’s Lions beat Brees’s Saints 24-23, make Brees a “loser” and Stafford a “winner”? Of course not.

The quarterback is the most important player on the field, but he is not the singular reason a team wins or loses. The quarterback is on the field for less than half of the game and is one of 11 players on his team when he is playing. Pretending he’s even half of the reason his team wins or loses is silly. A good quarterback might cost 10 percent of his team’s salary cap, so maybe a highly paid quarterback should get 10 percent of the credit when his team wins or 10 percent of the blame when his team loses. The bulk of the reason a team wins or loses is reflected in the 90 percent or more of the salary cap that the team spends on the other players on the roster.

A free safety isn’t judged by winning and losing, and neither is a guard or a linebacker or a tight end. A quarterback shouldn’t be judged by winning and losing, either. He should be judged by the quality of his own play. If that contributes to his team winning, great. If he plays great and his team loses anyway, he’s not a loser.

Here are my other thoughts on Sunday’s action:

Hurry it up, refs. Few things are more aggravating while watching a game than waiting forever to hear the ref announce the result of a replay review. There was an absurdly long review in Dallas on Sunday to check the spot on a play that was initially ruled a first down but later overturned on replay. There’s just no good reason for the refs to delay the game any longer than the standard time it takes for a commercial break. Make the call and move the game along.

What ever happened to Michael Sam? Remember when Sam was supposed to be the dreaded “distraction” in Dallas? Now he’s totally disappeared. He’s just another anonymous guy on the practice squad, no different than any other practice squad player. I didn’t hear anyone mention him during the Giants-Cowboys game. I haven’t heard anyone mention him in weeks. It’s amazing how quickly something that’s supposed to be a big deal becomes ordinary.

DeMarco Murray could make history. The season Murray is having for the Cowboys is unbelievable. In Sunday’s win over the Giants he topped 100 yards, just as he’s done in every game this year, making him the first player in NFL history to rush for 100 yards in each of the first seven games of a season. Murray is on pace to finish this season with 2,087 yards, putting him within shouting distance of Eric Dickerson’s all-time record of 2,105 yards in a season.

Ahmad Bradshaw could make history, too. No running back in NFL history has ever had 10 receiving touchdowns in a season. Even great pass-catching running backs like Marshall Faulk and Roger Craig never did it. But Bradshaw, who caught his sixth touchdown pass of the season in Sunday’s win over the Bengals, has a real shot at it. The Colts’ passing game is excellent, and Bradshaw gets a lot of red zone targets, and I like his chances of scoring four more touchdowns in the next nine games, giving him the all-time receiving touchdown record for a running back.

Seattle’s far from done, but not in great shape either. At 3-3 after yesterday’s loss to the Rams, the Seahawks still have plenty of time to turn their season around. But this is two straight weeks in which Seattle has lost and looked bad doing it. It also hurts that the Seahawks are in a tough division (third place in the NFC West, behind both the Cardinals and the 49ers), and a conference in which the wild card race will be competitive (two good teams in the NFC North and two good teams in the NFC East). Seattle is certainly good enough to make the playoffs and to repeat as champions. But things need to get turned around soon.

One thing that can be said for the Seahawks is that Russell Wilson is playing outstanding football: On Sunday he became the first player in NFL history to rush for 100 yards and pass for 300 yards in the same game. Wilson is playing better football this year than he did last year. That’s clear to anyone who can see that assessing a quarterback is about more than just wins and losses.

87 responses to “NFL morning after: Teams win and lose, quarterbacks don’t

  1. An excellent read (a thing that is becoming more and more rare on this site). Now please print a copy of the first part of your article and send it to every sports media outlet and talking head in America please.

  2. michael sam disappeared because the media stopped covering a mediocre player, at best, like he’s the second coming of LT.

  3. Colt McCoy – A 6 yard pass where Garcon broke a tackle and went 70 yards to the house His other 10 completions went for 58 yards … TOTAL!

    Michael Sam – If the Cowboys defense was playing as bad as last year and Cowboys were losing, he’d still be a distraction. Winning cures all ills and noone is talking about how to “fix” the Cowboys right now.

    Look at the Seahawks, apparantly Percy Harvin was punching out players and fighting with coaches. As usual the media missed it because they were to busy telling everyone how great the Seahawks were. Relying on the media to get the actual facts about anything is a risky proposition.

    Wilson is a good quarterback, but he has a Super Bowl ring more because he played for a team with a great defense last year than because of his own abilities.

    I agree but why does it take a 2 game losing streak by the Seahawks for the press to admit that? If the Seahawks had won yesterday would you have even wrote that?

    All we’ve heard since last year is how great Wilson is and how he should be viewed compared to the great QBs. Now that they are losing all we are hearing is about how much he’s improved?

    If the Seahawks were 5-1 and he was throwing for 150 yards a game the media would be campaigning for a bust in canton of Russell.

    How about an article on the Seahawks regarding how much they rely on the refs getting “flag fatigue” to win games? Plenty of quotes from players and Michael Perriera from last year regarding the phenomena.

  4. Totally agree on the point about QBs and their records.

    The greatest example of that is Tom Brady.

    To start his career, he was a game manager on a great team and won three superbowls. Now, he is asked to carry his team with a bag of apples as his WR corps. Would anyone prefer the early Brady over the one the last six years or so?

    I don’t know about you, but I will take the Tom Brady from the ‘FU NFL” season, and I am a die hard Colts fan.

    That’s why the Russell Wilson debates of today are ridiculous. The guy is going to be better. It is easy to see. If he doesn’t play on teams with the same quality of defense or running game, it won’t mean he regressed.

    TL;DR: NFL fans can be stupid.

  5. This article defines Joe Flacco’s entire career. It’s hysterical when people hold him up as superior to Matt Ryan (who’s never had a defense) because the team has been in the playoffs and even has a SB. They fail to admit that if the Ravens had Matt Ryan, they would have likely had a few more SB appearances in previous playoff years when Flacco just didn’t show up.

  6. Michael Sam was mentioned during the Eagles-Giants broadcast by Mike Tirico who took the time to point out the player that made the team over Michael Sam. Does Tirico do that with every other player, you know, mentioning who the team cut to keep the guy? No. It’s a joke that Michael Sam became a story at all.

  7. dinothedummy – agreed, no matter how you slice it, the Hoyer balloon busted this weekend.

    In the last year of his current contact his annual salary on a renewed deal will fluctuate week to week (if they are negotiating). I suspect his max value was last week. The Jags game was a catastrophe, compounded by an 0-6 opponent. The next two weeks could see the calls for Johnny grow if he continues to play so abject poorly.

  8. “Romo, who got too much blame when the Cowboys were 8-8….” Yeah, from sites just like this one. The guy has had to drag a team with no defense, a piss-poor offensive line and little or no running game around for years. If he weren’t a magician most of those 8-8 teams would have been 5-11 or worse. He has certainly screwed up his share, but the burden placed on him in years past has been greater than any other middle of the pack teams. The Cowboys have finally assembled a competent team around him and his play has shown exactly that.

  9. and for my Saints, we now seem to get the “road version” of Drew Brees in every road game. The one who has thrown a critical INT in every road loss this season.

  10. “It’s amazing how quickly something that’s supposed to be a big deal becomes ordinary”

    Perhaps you should occasionally scan the comments from your readers? The vast majority of NFL fans across the country had no interest in Michael Sam’s personal life.

    The media made the Michael Sam story a big deal, not ordinary fans.
    .

  11. And all is right with the universe as America’s Team is back atop the throne as the preeminent franchise in all of sports. The rest of the season and the NFC playoffs will be our dress rehearsal for the dismantling of whatever JV squad the AFC throws out as a sacrificial offering.

    Jerry Jones has built his SECOND dynasty– greatest football mind of all time? Definitely.

  12. What a 180 on the QB win lose stuff. Remember how much fun you had blaming Tony Romo for everything wrong in Dallas over the last 5 years?
    What you wrote has always been true, and it still hasn’t mattered. QBs are linked to wins and losses, it comes with the job. Wilson, Brees, Rivers. Not losers in an all time sense but yeah, this week.

  13. Agree with all your points those that put much emphasis on QB “wins” don’t know anything about football, and heck i just started watching 13 years ago. I guess it fits their biased narrative or whatever.

  14. Browns were bound to lose that one–coming off emotional win v. rival, traveling to warmer climes, playing a team starving for a victory. Doesn’t surprise me one bit. The Browns will be back though, Jags just have their number. What’s disturbing is the pounding the Bengals took. Yikes.

  15. Drew Brees is playing like a scared Rocky III…

    He did lose that game yesterday with his poor throw that resulted in an interception and superb field position for the Lions…

  16. Although Jay Cutler’s good play is definitely responsible for the Win against the 49ers, his bad play easily lost us 2-3 games. In other words with better QB play the Bears would be 5-2 at least.

  17. Wow, common sense and restraint right here on overreaction Monday. Good read. Can’t have enough emphasis that as valuable as it is to have a good QB, this is a team sport

  18. P.S. I hate myself for giving up on that Lions game yesterday. But Lions fans know all too well that familiar feeling that comes when Stafford throws that second bad pick…

  19. The article is very true. Romo has been an excellent QB for years. He just has never had the support of a great running game and a good defense.

    Just look at what he was able to do with a horrible offensive line, terrible defense and running game. Unfortunately, they weren’t able to win. Prime example, last year he threw 5 TD’s and lost to the Broncos. Yet, morons blame him for the loss.

  20. Not to come across as a d bag, but Michael Sam disappeared because he is an average player on the practice squad. The only people who made a big deal about his sexuality was the “we’re here, we’re queer, deal with it!” crowd. The rest of the fans simply don’t care as long as you can play. All of the people who claimed Sam fell in the draft cuz he was gay have been proven wrong, so there is no longer a story. Simple as that

  21. You absolutely have to take into account sample size.

    When you are looking at 15+ years, though, as with Brady and Manning, winning more matters, because the quality /skill level of teammates comes nowhere close to the disparity in winning percentage:

    Peyton Manning in the regular season:
    245 Games
    171-74-0
    .698

    Tom Brady in the regular season:
    200 games
    153-47-0
    .765

    Peyton Manning in the postseason:
    23 games
    11-12
    .478

    Tom Brady in the postseason:
    26 games
    18-8
    .692

  22. Timely article given Manning’s historic regular season accomplishment despite his less than stellar postseason resume.

    Along those line I feel however something needs to be at least talked about, but media types are too afraid of sounding like sour grapes. Anybody remember the “three step rule” where the D-lineman could destroy the quarterback with high blows as long as they were within 3 steps when the ball was released? Anybody remember when a reciever could be knocked down at the top of his route tree, and it didn’t matter if it was 15 yards downfield, as long as the ball wasn’t in the air? Because a good number of NFL fans do, and Brett Favre threw his touchdowns in that era.

    Understand I am no Brett Favre fan, he beat up on my team all the time and I hated seeing him on the field, but you have to respect him. And I’m not disrespecting Manning, his accomplishment is tremendous but is everybody just ignoring the fact that we are comparing apples to oranges because they don’t want to be accused of “diminishing” Manning’s accomplishment?

  23. You realize that now that you’ve said this, someone is going to point it out every time you pull a media (I think “pull a media” should be a real saying…) and claim that QB A beat QB B, or QB B lost to the QB C.

    Hopefully you’re the start of a trend of more realistic reporting regarding winning and losing, but I’m not holding my breath.

  24. After throwing a pick in his own end after his team dominated the game for 55 minutes, Drew Brees kind of makes my “losers” list.

  25. Its weird seeing teams like Seattle, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco and St Louis stuggle so much on defense. Five of the best defenses last season have all been depleted by injuries and poor play. At least Seattle took advantage of their opportunity last year.

  26. Why is it that while megahead’s teams are winning it’s because of him, but when they lose it’s the rest of the teams fault? You can’t have it both ways.

  27. Wow, great article! I’ve been trying to tell people this for years.

    Football is great BECAUSE it is the ultimate team sport. You risk oversimplifying a great game by looking at every matchup as QB vs. QB.

    I was never interested in Manning vs. Brady; I was always far more interested in Colts (or Broncos) vs. the Patriots. But all we ever heard about was the nonsensical “matchup” of two guys who are never on the field at the same time.

  28. I’d like to ask Jets, Vikings, Titans, and Jaguars fans about their feelings on the matter…

  29. After hearing on Harvin’s continued disruptions in yet another locker room, Adrian Peterson was quoted as saying, “If he was my kid… “

  30. @nflfollower. Nice passive aggressive dig at Peyton. Good thing that the author didn’t get into Kap much because Chris Collinsworth would kneecap him as he left the building. I thought that Chris was gonna don lipstick and kneepads and head down to the 9ers sideline before the game ended. 42-10 with 5 minutes left and he’s still “don’t count Kap out just yet”. After a easy connection it was “there’s just SO much talent and athleticism in that body…”. I had to q-tip out my ears.

  31. Wait — you mean to tell me Teddy Bridgewater is not single handedly going to take the Vikings to Superbowl victory. Year after year? Starting this year?

    That’s what Vikings trolls have been saying here ever since the draft (or the daft in the case of those Vikings fans).

    Someone’s obviously mistaken here.

    How do we sort this out?

  32. while i agree with the message of this article, it rings pretty hollow when you only post “reminders” like this when so many highly-regarded QBs lose. when those teams win, the QBs get the majority of the credit, deserved or not, and no one bats an eye.

  33. @yyyas. Comparing Flacco to Ryan post season is laughable. I see you like to speculate and assume. I would like to see how Flacco can perform with 2 studs that Ryan has been able to throw to for a few years now. And since when does Flacco not show up post season? Can’t win them all.

  34. QBs get too much credit. They can’t be great every single game, that’s where coaching factors in. Sometimes it takes good coaching decisions to help win games.

    I’m sure there are examples throughout the games from yesterday, but I will use two from the SD-KC game since I am a Chargers fan.

    1. On one drive the Chiefs were having a hard time stopping Branden Oliver and the Chargers were 1st and goal on the 4. Instead of continuing to have Oliver pound it, the Chargers threw 3 incomplete passes. Boneheaded.

    2. Using a TO to ice a rookie kicker (especially when everybody knows Andy Reid told him to expect it) was boneheaded. KC was out of TOs and this wasn’t an easy FG. McCoy went with the call that every other coach has used since TO began instead of thinking outside the box.

  35. I wonder how the Jets intend to deal with Harvin. He hasn’t behaved anywhere in his life, how is he suddenly going to do it with the Jets??

  36. i am so glad to finally hear someone in the media admit to what is true and what i have always believed. i hate how much credit is given to QB’s. There are some very mediocre given way too much credit for being “elite” because their TEAMS won a Super Bowl.

    Eli Manning has played well in his playoff games, but he doesn’t get there consistently. How many turn overs did he have last year? 27? 28? “Elite” QB’s don’t turn the ball over that many times. His 1st SB was because of a great Defense and Oline, and running game. His second was because of a lucky catch by a guy not even in football any more. Flacco played 4, great games and the right time, but beyond that, his stats are mediocre. Thank you.

  37. Amen on QB wins. This isn’t like pitchers in baseball. Sure, quarterbacks are important but football is much more of a team game. A quarterback can’t control whether he has a crappy offensive line, brick-handed receivers or a defense that gives up 30+ points a game. Stop the nonsense.

  38. Yes, but how come Megahead can put up “Star Wars” stats and run ripshod thru the regular season….only to commit game ending turnovers and a accumulate a dismal postseason record? Mind you with first rd talent at most skill positions and perennial prow bowl free agent additions every year???
    Riddle me that?

  39. Its weird seeing teams like Seattle, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco and St Louis stuggle so much on defense. Five of the best defenses last season have all been depleted by injuries and poor play. At least Seattle took advantage of their opportunity last year.
    —————————————————–
    Thank Goodell and his new rules for that. His plan is complete. He wanted an all offesne league and that’s what he got. There is like a defensive holding every play.

  40. 9 of 21 (42.9%) for 123 yards (5.86 ypa) with 0 TDs and 2 interceptions, an efficiency rating of 22.6

    Those were Roethlisberger’s numbers in his first Super Bowl.

    He got a ring, but i hope he feels stupid showing that one to anybody.

  41. all4patriots says: Oct 20, 2014 8:49 AM

    You absolutely have to take into account sample size.

    When you are looking at 15+ years, though, as with Brady and Manning, winning more matters, because the quality /skill level of teammates comes nowhere close to the disparity in winning percentage:

    Peyton Manning in the regular season:
    245 Games
    171-74-0
    .698

    Tom Brady in the regular season:
    200 games
    153-47-0
    .765

    Peyton Manning in the postseason:
    23 games
    11-12
    .478

    Tom Brady in the postseason:
    26 games
    18-8
    .692
    __________________________

    Ugh. Typical Pats fan just HAD to go there. News flash, Brady/Belicheat do not win those three Super Bowls in the early ’00s if not for the TEAM that was on the field. Vinatieri, McGinest, Bruschi Vrabel, Seymour, Law, Milloy, Harrison were just as important if not MORE important to the Pats postseason success during the Brady era.

    Plus the whole “Manning vs. Brady” dealio is soooooo 2006…they are BOTH two of the greatest QB’s to play the game, period.

  42. Wait wait wait, QBs don’t “win” or “lose” games??? Has anyone told Skip Bayless or any of the talking heads on game days?

  43. Jay Cutler….9 years in the league and still a subpar QB making astronomical $.

    He’s here 2 more years at least and as a Bear fan, this is not good news.

    So, it’s 1 step forward, 1 step back, and being average is no fun as a fan, but Cutler, $ 18 mil a year, I guess that can be the crutch for his lousy, at the very least, average play.

  44. kenchun24, how us that a news flash when I agree with everything you said? Peyton can be (and is) an all-time great. In analyzing deeper, I’m merely saying that Brady is one half step above him on the list of the greatest of the greats.

    Both had fantastic teammates who were critical for success. Peyton had more all-pro teammates, more pro bowler teammates, more HoF-level teammates, but had coaches of lesser ability. Peyton once had the support of the #1 defense in the league (2007). Ditto Brady in 2004.

    In all the worship of statistics, I just find it hard to ignore the statistic of wins and losses, even if you can’t hang a percentage on it and say how much was due to the QB, because one person, alone, doesn’t do squat to win a game.

    One person, alone, doesn’t do squat to set passing records either. It takes a team effort.

  45. Ditto to your sentiments on “Hurry it up, ref.” That was ridiculous. Step 1 – carry the chains across the field to see if the bad spot was a first down. Step 2 – Carry the chains back. Step 3 – Throw the red flag challenging the spot. Step 4 – Take several minutes for the video review. Step 5 – Move the ball back 6 inches from the previous spot. Step 6 – Carry the chains back across the field to measure for the first down again. With all the technology available in 2014, they’re still measuring for first downs with chains?!?!

  46. Wait a minute — how can you say QBs are overrated when everyone knows that the Packers would be nothing if it weren’t for Rodgers.

    We hear that all the time, especially from Vikings fans.

  47. Bad QBs lose games all the time, in spite of good teams. Great QBs, however, only win occasionally in spite of a bad team.

    You can’t place all the blame on a QB’ shoulders, but there is a reason that position gets the all the attention.

  48. Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back for writing somethign that anyone with half a bran already knew 30 years ago.

    I understand it is an age old mediot tradition to act like Football is a 1 on 1 sport and use meaningless stats to infer deep (and ignorant) knowledge, but waking up one day and realizing you’ve been a plebe all your life does not qualify you as any kind of wise man.

  49. Excellent article, MDS. I take back all the bad things I’ve said about you and I humbly and sincerely apologize for my diminishing comments.

    The “Hurry Up Refs” section was sooo germane to the things that bug us TV fans. During the ref time-outs I have plenty of time to hit the bathroom, swing through the kitchen and grab a Coke or something, but it sux that the refs extend the time out when it is not necessary. Did it take a solid 5 minutes to place that ball? Sheesh.

  50. Remember last year when people said it was solely Matt Schaub’s fault that his team, a team the same people said was a Super Bowl contender early in the season, went 2-14?

  51. Nice article. A couple things..

    Mike Sam was made more of a big deal by CNN and MSNBC than anyone. At least from what I seen on the telly. FOX was too busy reporting tea party crap and didn’t care. It’s a product of the agenda that the democrats in Washington want to get across. Nothing can really be talked about anymore without saying something with regards to gays, lesbians, and what state legalized marrying them. Mike Sam being in Texas now, was like a hidden blessing for him and those of us who were sick of hearing about that mess.

    A QB can lead a team, but how about a running back too? I’m just thinking that Minnesota wouldn’t have done much without Adrian Peterson in prior years because they never had a competent QB, apart from he couple years Brett Favre was there.

  52. “Wilson is a good quarterback, but he has a Super Bowl ring more because he played for a team with a great defense last year than because of his own abilities.”

    They said something very similar about Tom Brady after his THIRD Super Bowl win. Only once during his first five seasons did he (barely) throw for more than 3,700 yards. Only once did he have a higher completion percentage than Wilson’s percentage last year (63.9 to 63.1). Only once did Brady throw more than 49 20+ yard completions, and he never threw 11 40+ yard completions. Only once did he end a season with a passer rating above 90 (92.6) while Wilson has yet to fall below 100. Only once did he rush for more than 100 yards a season, while Wilson did that just yesterday…for the second time this year. And you may recall that two of those Super Bowls were won in the final seconds by the Patriots kicker.

    Wilson deserves that Super Bowl ring.

  53. yyyass says:
    Oct 20, 2014 7:39 AM
    This article defines Joe Flacco’s entire career. It’s hysterical when people hold him up as superior to Matt Ryan (who’s never had a defense) because the team has been in the playoffs and even has a SB. They fail to admit that if the Ravens had Matt Ryan, they would have likely had a few more SB appearances in previous playoff years when Flacco just didn’t show up.
    ——————————————–
    One thing Matt Ryan has that Flacco never did is receivers. Let’s flip the script and give Flacco Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Tony Gonzales then see what happens. Also, Flacco always shows up for playoff games, he’s a better “big game” qb than Ryan will ever be…

  54. Completely woeful argument.

    You sure claim to pin “loser” on the QB that loses games for teams through poor play.

    It is absolutely correct to assign “winner” or “won” to a QB that plays well – he is instrumental in the team’s winning – as evidenced by Peyton Manning.

    Colt McCoy may not be a “winning” starting QB, but he did win the game for his team by doing things almost perfectly in bringing his team back; the defense couldn’t stop an old lady from crossing the street.

    As was said about Colt McCoy, he was a loser in Cleveland, but no one is a winner in Cleveland – not even LeBrick James, so we have to give some credence to McCoy being more than what his past record indicates.

    In Redskinland, no starting QB has won a game in nearly a year – that includes the gimmick, the fraud, RG and the glass leg band. Perhaps the Redskins should deploy a new offense – QB that starts the game for the first half and one that comes in the second half and plays mop up. As Ginger Rogers Griffin is notorious for phoning it in during the first half, he would be inactive – we don’t need to be behind by 14 or more in the first half. So let’s put in Cousins where he does the least damage and then put in McCoy in the second half.

    Of course we would also have to play in our throwback jerseys since our record in them is better (which means we suck less in them than in the school bus yellow or bright burgundy ones).

    I say this in jest but in all seriousness – perhaps the Redskins have stumbled on their ultimate offense – a half-arsed team playing two haves and making a full arse out of themselves….

  55. QBs DO win games. But, great QBs don’t win them all. They also don’t play great every game.
    Montana won 4 SBs. That defines him and all the other SB QBs.

  56. MDS cherry picks his avg. QBs winning this week. He failed to mention P. Manning, Rodgers, Flacco, & Brady. QBs that also won this week, and have a history of winning.

  57. Um isn’t this whole article perspective though. I mean Brees lost the game, had he not thrown a 4th quarter pick, the run the clock out and squeak out a win. I hate how everyone thinks he is good because he has great numbers, guess what if you are not losing by 2 possessions or more, you don’t throw for 400 yards.

    Romo gets a lot of flak, but as a cowboy fan, he does deserve most of it. His picks late were play calling mistakes on his part. All of the run plays had a built in scheme for a throw, which he always chose to do at the worst time. Now he is playing within himself and the system and he looks good. But it starts with him making the call to play Cowboy football, not hero ball.

    Yes this is a team game, but QBs are the leaders and true leaders sink with the ship. Leaders pass success to the team and take the blame for defeat. Yes teams lose games and win them, but great leaders will always make sure the attention is where it belongs.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.