Jeff Fisher unhappy with officiating in Rams’ loss

AP

After Sunday’s close loss to the Chargers, Rams coach Jeff Fisher said he had trouble “dealing with the officiating crew.”

Fisher didn’t elaborate on his complaints, but he seemed to be unhappy with a sequence of events that took place late in the game when Tavon Austin returned a punt 76 yards to the 2-yard line, setting up the Rams in great position to score a game-winning touchdown. That return was called back on a holding penalty, and it was clear that the officials were very confused by that penalty.

First, referee Carl Scheffers announced the penalty on No. 51, Marshall McFadden, even though it looked like they were actually throwing the flag on No. 31, Maurice Alexander. That’s a mistake, although not a game-changing one.

More significantly, the officials didn’t seem clear on what the penalty was and how it should be properly enforced as an offsetting penalty, as the Chargers also had a penalty on the punt return. The officials took about four minutes to figure it out, initially saying the ball would be spotted where Austin fielded the punt — the Rams’ 22-yard line — before changing their minds and saying the ball would be spotted where the Rams committed the penalty — the Chargers’ 40. That’s a 38-yard difference.

Why did it take them four minutes, and why did they change their minds and spot the ball 38 yards forward? It appeared that it was Fisher, a longtime member of the Competition Committee, who had to explain the proper enforcement of the offsetting penalties to the confused officials.

Fisher also was baffled by a neutral-zone infraction called on the Rams’ field goal team on a play when the Chargers blocked the Rams’ kick.

“Our field goal team interlocks their legs,” Fisher said. “It’s nearly impossible to have one of your protectors in the neutral zone. . . . I’ve never heard that ever called before.”

It was a tough loss for Fisher to swallow. Made tougher by the officials.

91 responses to “Jeff Fisher unhappy with officiating in Rams’ loss

  1. It’s easy for outsiders to say “Don’t blame the officials, don’t blame the officials!!” But as a Ram fan, I’m flabbergasted by the high number of phantom calls that go against the Rams… late… after big plays. It’s turning into the Rams versus the Zebras.

  2. Jeff, you were trailing 27 – 24. You had first and goal from the San Diego six yard line with 1:09 on the clock and one timeout remaining.. You lost the game. Stop blaming the officials.
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  3. I see Mr Coach of the Year for Going 8-8 has the excuse machine going at full speed. And the media fawns and marvels, “oh, Jeff Fisher, how DO you manage to be SUCH a terrific coach?”

  4. Saw play live… Bs call… Total bs. Chargers in thick of playoff hunt, should have to earn wins not be handed them. Same with browns-Tampa. Last 2 plays, joe Haden blatant pass int no call then a bs off pass int. how much of a discount is that crook in Cleveland giving refs on gas

  5. Just another example of the poor refereeing throughout the league this season. I don’t know what’s happened. I mean, there’s always been questionable calls, but this season has been out of this world.

    Is it because they’ve got their new contract, so they are just cruising now, or what? Whatever the case, it’s been brutal all year long.

    Someone needs to step up and start some yelling or something to get these zebras back on track.

  6. Maybe Fisher should be a little more concerned with his ‘veteran’ QB throwing an interception into, I believe, triple coverage than he should about the officiating?

  7. computojon says: Nov 25, 2014 6:55 AM

    It’s easy for outsiders to say “Don’t blame the officials, don’t blame the officials!!” But as a Ram fan, I’m flabbergasted by the high number of phantom calls that go against the Rams… late… after big plays. It’s turning into the Rams versus the Zebras.

    – – – –

    You’ve got a coach with a long, and well-established history of coaching dirty plays from dirty players. You can’t be surprised that he also gets penalized more often than his competitors. That all might explain why Fisher is a career .500 kind of guy.

    Get over it. Fanatics for EVERY loser team are always convinced that the refs are against them.

  8. This is all to typical of the officiating in about every game, every week. It’s like watching the key stone cops run around not knowing what’s going on and then the league stands by and with unwavering conviction in defending the officiating system like decisions are coming from the mouth of God. Obviously, the elaborate “new system” developed this off season is still broken and the rules are so complicated even the officials don’t understand them, let alone the players! Maybe with Jeff Fisher being on the Competition Committee his “outrage” will carry a little more weight. Often times these decisions define the game and like the death penalty, there are no do-overs when they get it wrong!

  9. Fisher has a right to be mad. That crew averages the most amount of penalties called per game already, but there were some bad ones. On the other hand, as a Chargers fan over the years I can remember some games that they lost in part due to some really bad officiating at crucial points. Unfortunately, it happens to all teams.

  10. steelerdeathstar says:
    Nov 25, 2014 8:56 AM
    Maybe Fisher should be a little more concerned with his ‘veteran’ QB throwing an interception into, I believe, triple coverage than he should about the officiating?

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    As a Rams fan, I wholeheartedly agree with this.

  11. And he really hates the INT the officials threw at goal line. Again not a reason you lose….. ever.

  12. If there is any coach, or any non-ref or non-official, that has a right to overrule the ref/officials on the field, it’s Fisher. He knows the rules better than most.

  13. The ref’ing in this league is so awful. Half of the officials look clueless on penalty calls, and it seems like they make up new rules on the fly. Boger.. I am lookin at you! 49er’s game, and the Cards vs. Lions game where possession was somehow established downing a punt despite flipping the football backwards..

  14. I have never heard of a coach complain about officiating as much as Fisher. He’s getting a little annoying.

  15. Regardless of who you support if the refs take four minutes to figure out what to do clearly they’re not completely in control of the game; also saying Fisher is a dirty coach because the Rams get so many penalties is debatable at best, the Rams are the youngest team in the league for the last three years in a row which probably has a lot more to do with it.

  16. Bud Grant said it best when he said we have billions into these teams being controlled by $2.oo officials

  17. Payback Fisher for the illegal forward pass known as Home Run Throwback. Yes….I’m still bitter.

  18. 1. They got hosed, no doubt about it.

    2. Saying Fisher is an average HC because of his record is as ignorant as it gets. The man does miracles with nothing every year.

    3. If they didn’t get hosed, their QB isn’t even in the position to throw that pick.

  19. Remember when you guys were on here complaining about the replacement refs? I told you guys that the regular refs weren’t any better!

    I hate to say this, but I told you so!

  20. Timmons ’94, the reason Jeff Fisher is so respected by NFL owners, GM’s and, yes, the media is because they understand what he was up against during all those successful years at Tennessee. His Titans went 13 and 3 three times, 12 and 4 once, 11 and 5 once, and 10 and 6 another, making the playoffs each of those six seasons.

    Yet, it’s the three years in a row that he went 8 and 8 that may be his most impressive. Sure, his biggest obstacle was always an owner who was signicantly less intelligent than Jerry Jones, but likewise liked to override GM and coaching decisions himself. But those three 8 and 8 years were incredible because they happened with no home field advantage during the relocation process. 1996 the Oilers played at an empty Astrodome, then in a half-full stadium in Memphis in ’97 and finally at the tiny stadium at Vanderbilt in ’98. I was at several of those Memphis and Vanderbilt games and it was so sad it was comical. The fans of visiting teams had a field day.

    So yes, we Titans fans look back fondly on going to the Super Bowl, the AFC Championship game twice, and the playoffs every few seasons. Jeff Fisher’s years were indeed the good old days.

  21. Fans of every team believe that they are being persecuted by the officials. This week, it is the Rams turn.

    I’d love to send out a memo to all NFL personnel. “Folks, the officiating is at best inconsistent and at worse atrocious. Deal with it. We’re all sick of the whining.”

  22. I thought Jeff fisher was head of the competition committee. Maybe his little band of idiots should stop making ridiculous rules that make the officials job far more subjective and let these guys play football. I hope his teams get screwed every week.

  23. There have been so many close games this year, which have contained numerous questionable calls, it’s hard not to think that the refs are determining teams’ success (or lack thereof). Teams that are 7-4 could just as easily be 4-7 if only a few questionable calls went the other way, and in cases where the calls are flat out wrong, we’ve probably got a few teams going to the playoffs that shouldn’t, and vice-versa.

    I’d almost rather see no penalties called at all, than to have the refs essentially randomly deciding outcomes. At this point it seems like any game that ends with a spread of less than 21 points could have been determined by the whim of the referees over the game’s course.

  24. C’mon now guys, both Harbaugh’s make Fisher look like an amateur whiner compared to them. Its not even close.

  25. joetoronto says: Nov 25, 2014 9:48 AM

    1. They got hosed, no doubt about it.

    2. Saying Fisher is an average HC because of his record is as ignorant as it gets. The man does miracles with nothing every year.

    3. If they didn’t get hosed, their QB isn’t even in the position to throw that pick.

    – – –

    Oh! Look! A Raiders’ fanatic complaining about officiating. How ripe!

  26. As a Rams fan it’s easy to question the officials as we have had many horrible calls go against us. With that being said I can’t count how many times they commit dumb obvious penalties at the most inopportune times. Tavon Austin alone has had at least 5 long punt returns called backed by penalties in the last 2 years.

  27. This is so perfect. Fisher and his competition committee are the reason we have so many rules of infinite complexity that have created this mess. Nobody even knows what a catch is anymore.

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy. He is, after all, the jerk who wants to outlaw kickoffs.

    Go back to the 1998 rule book and start rewarding refs for fewer calls, not more.

  28. I respect Jeff Fisher a lot….. A LOT. But one thing I’ve seen over the history of his coaching career is a number of big name talents from the opposing teams having their careers ended or forever changed at the hands of dirty plays by players coached under J E F F F I S H E R.

    You win some and you lose some Jeff, but lots of players have lost a lot more due to your style of play.

    Shut up and Man up

  29. You win some you lose some.

    Sort of like the unreviewable turn over against the Seahawks. Richard Sherman had the ball coming out of the pile, but it was deemed St Louis ball. Granted one play shouldn’t cause the difference in the game, but case in point.

    We all hate the idiotic refs. They need to be full time employees of the league and held accountable for their miscues.

  30. I love when a losing team blames the officials for not getting calls like they are the only team that didn’t get them. Watched the game and there were calls missed on both sides for both teams. As Belichick said to Raiola, the same can be said to Jeff Fisher about the Chargers:

    Sure there’s frustration with Jeff Fisher. He’s never beat the Chargers before. Tough day for him.

  31. Was he upset when the officials refused to review a clear fumble by the Rams and recovery by the Seahawks – inexplicably just giving the ball to the Rams at the end of that game? There was about a minute left in the game so the Seahawks couldn’t challenge. Would have given them the ball at midfield only needing a field goal to win it. I’m sure Fisher had no problem with the incompetence of the officials in that game.

  32. To all of the hacks on here ragging on Fisher about the refs I can only say this. If these inept zebras take 4 minutes to figure out a penalty then they should just pick up the frickin flag. Rams got screwed and I’m a 49er fan. Why can’t the NFL hire refs who can do their job?

  33. Complicated ambiguous new rules on def holding, interference, hands to face, how when and how hard you can hit a QB. added this year to the complicated ambiguous rules that already existed. makes the game very difficult to officiate on a consistent basis.
    Most of these rules are supposedly for player safety, YET the league has no problem asking players to play on Thursdays after a Sunday late game. More revenue trumps player safety every time. just pile on more complex rules to show we care.

  34. I’m re-watching the game right now. You (Rams) blundered so many opportunities to score points, starting with your first red zone trip, that it’s hard to take your whining seriously.

    The Chargers were better on Sunday.

    Own it.

    You’ll never succeed in the future if you don’t acknowledge your mistakes in the past.

  35. And I’m not even sure why you’re upset in the first place. You weren’t going to the playoffs. All we did was give you a better draft slot.

    You’re welcome.

  36. Rams fans claim that the refs cost them that game, but I didn’t see a ref block that field goal in the 2nd quarter… In fact, I could’ve sworn that was a Chargers player who blocked that field goal.

  37. Facemask on #72 (incorrectly called on #79 on the field) takes away a 40 yard pass TD to Britt at end of 2nd qtr.

    The facemask was clear as day and completely unnecessary.

    Again, not the refs’ fault.

  38. The penalty on the punt return was a bad call but the Rams were able to get to the same spot the punt was returned to and they still lost the game. The game never should have been close in the first place

  39. Simple solution…end this crazy lockout of the “good” referees, and get them back on the field. The Referee’s Association has absolutely correct for the past 2 years…these replacement refs suck.

  40. You got a pick-6 at the goal line, a muffed punt recovery and a Keenan Allen fumble in the redzone… And still lost…

    But tell me again about how the refs cost you that game?

  41. There is a huge difference in an official missing a judgment call or missing a hold, etc. and not knowing how to apply the rules.

    Imagine if an NBA ref awarded 3 shots on a foul in the paint? or if a soccer ref awarded a PK for a yellow card at midfield.

    Its not missing a or making a bad judgment call that is the big problem, its misapplying the rules.

  42. The refs costed us….. the Rams…..the game with there phantom calls. Think about it! All the refs have to do is call enough penalties for the drive to stall or for the offense to make a mistake. For example:

    We were up 10 to 3 when Kennny Britt caught that 61 yard td pass that put us 17 to 3 at the half no doubt. But instead they call it back because of illegal hands to the face on an offensive linemen! For one….. that was going on all game long but the refs chose to call it on a rams td! And if you look at the replay it wasn’t even close to being hands to the face! So after that our drive stalled. No score for us.

    Late in the game we got a td from Bailey to close on the chargers 24_27. But they call holding on Cook that was definitely not holding. Luckily we were close enough to still score the td. Refs failed to stop us that time.

    Then the Austin return. We set up at the 2 yard line…..run the ball in….we win 31-27. But the refs call a hold that brings it back. And remember the refs had to huddle cause they new there was no foul and they didn’t know what to do…..they got caught! So we drive down and do what the refs hope we would do…..make a mistake. Cause if the refs don’t call that last penalty…….Hills INT never happens…..we run the ball….we win.

    So on the 3 scores we could have had….that change the game completely…..the refs won 2. Both at the end of each half…..when scores mean the most to any team.

  43. We were up 10 to 3 when Kennny Britt caught that 61 yard td pass that put us 17 to 3 at the half no doubt. But instead they call it back because of illegal hands to the face on an offensive linemen! For one….. that was going on all game long but the refs chose to call it on a rams td! And if you look at the replay it wasn’t even close to being hands to the face! So after that our drive stalled. No score for us.
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    Watch it again, the penalty was facemask, not illegal hands to the face.

    They called facemask on #79, who DID have a slight hand to the defender’s face, but not enough to warrant a call. But the ref meant #72, who absolutely pulled the facemask of the defender. Clear as day, refs just called the wrong number so you’re wrong in thinking that #79’s hands to the face was the call. Facemask was absolutely the right call on #72.

  44. thesloppy says:
    Nov 25, 2014 10:17 AM
    There have been so many close games this year, which have contained numerous questionable calls, it’s hard not to think that the refs are determining teams’ success (or lack thereof). Teams that are 7-4 could just as easily be 4-7 if only a few questionable calls went the other way, and in cases where the calls are flat out wrong, we’ve probably got a few teams going to the playoffs that shouldn’t, and vice-versa.

    I’d almost rather see no penalties called at all, than to have the refs essentially randomly deciding outcomes. At this point it seems like any game that ends with a spread of less than 21 points could have been determined by the whim of the referees over the game’s course.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………

    This is so true. No matter who you hate or like, these referees are determining who wins games with very questionable phantom calls. It’s one thing to miss a penalty. It happens. It’s another to throw flags on penalties that simply are not occurring.

  45. Late in the game we got a td from Bailey to close on the chargers 24_27. But they call holding on Cook that was definitely not holding. Luckily we were close enough to still score the td. Refs failed to stop us that time.
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    That was definitely holding.

    You’re wrong about two calls so far.

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    Then the Austin return. We set up at the 2 yard line…..run the ball in….we win 31-27.
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    Right about the same place that Hill threw his INT later on, so it’s entirely possible that Hill still throws an INT there.

    OR, let’s say you DO score on the ensuing offensive drive after the long return… San Diego has 1:30 on the clock with three time outs. There’s every chance that Rivers marches down the field with ample time to win the game.

  46. On the Holding call on Cook, his hands were clearly inside and there was no pulling motion. The defender did not attempt to get away from Cooks so as to show the Holding.

    You were right….it was called a facemask penalty but there was no grasping of the mask. But I will look at it one more time.

    On the Austin play, when we should have got the ball on the 2, there was more time on the clock. I believe we would have run the ball to score to kill more clock. Or ran Austin again on the end around. So I don’t think Hill would have thrown the ball. If we would have, he would have thrown a fade like the earlier score to Bailey.

    If we would have scored, I don’t think Rivers would have taken them down for a td. He had his chance to put us away and couldn’t do it.
    But I could be wrong……but we will never know because the refs decided this game in San Diego’s favor.

  47. On the Kenny Britt TD, a face mask penalty was called. Just looked at it again and yes unfortunately there was a clear face mask. So one goes back to the refs. Sucks for us on that play cause there was no need for it (the facemask)!!!!!

  48. ramtuff2005 says:
    Nov 25, 2014 6:54 PM
    On the Kenny Britt TD, a face mask penalty was called. Just looked at it again and yes unfortunately there was a clear face mask. So one goes back to the refs. Sucks for us on that play cause there was no need for it (the facemask)!!!!!
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    Completely agree, there was little if any pressure on Hill at the time of the facemask, making it completely unnecessary. Huge mistake by the Ram O-lineman. That right there was enough to win you the game.

  49. I don’t think Rivers would have taken them down for a td. He had his chance to put us away and couldn’t do it.

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    Rivers didn’t have a chance to “put it away” because his defense did it for him. And you’re a fool to think he couldn’t go down the field and get a TD.

  50. Rivers didn’t have a chance to “put it away” because his defense did it for him. And you’re a fool to think he couldn’t go down the field and get a TD.

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    No disrespect to Rivers, and not that he isn’t a good QB, but he didn’t do anything through the air all game long. And when he did…..pick-6. All the Charger Offensive scores came by the run….and the screen play, everyone knows, is like a run.

    So fool or not….he couldn’t have gotten it done.

  51. I was at that game and can tell you the ref’s blew it on so many calls.
    They unquestionably changed the outcome of the game, and took points off the board for the Rams. I don’t blame Fisher for being furious, it’s gotten out of control, the Rams have seriously been robbed of “W’s” this year. Im frustrated as a Rams fan, and I’ve seen it time and time again.. And I not saying this is only an issue for the Rams, this is a major NFL problem. We need to have replay for a certain amount of flags, I don’t see any other way to fix this, as the system is broken. I know this would be a pain, and slow the game down, but the reffing is getting worse and worse..

  52. ramtuff2005 says:
    Nov 26, 2014 5:46 PM
    Rivers didn’t have a chance to “put it away” because his defense did it for him. And you’re a fool to think he couldn’t go down the field and get a TD.

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    No disrespect to Rivers, and not that he isn’t a good QB, but he didn’t do anything through the air all game long. And when he did…..pick-6. All the Charger Offensive scores came by the run….and the screen play, everyone knows, is like a run.

    So fool or not….he couldn’t have gotten it done.
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    P. Rivers: 29 of 35 for 291 yards and 1 TD against the Rams.

    He beats teams in the 4th all the time, and I’m talking about GOOD teams, not horrible teams like the Rams.

    Stop complaining now.

    Bye.

  53. P. Rivers: 29 of 35 for 291 yards and 1 TD against the Rams.

    He beats teams in the 4th all the time, and I’m talking about GOOD teams, not horrible teams like the Rams.

    Stop complaining now.

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    No ones complaining. I agree those are very good numbers Rivers put up….but those numbers are between the 20’s. And his lone TD pass was a screen play…so technically the RB did all the work. And don’t forget Rivers’ other TD pass….the pick-6.

    And as horrible as we are….S.D. sure had a lot of trouble with us!!!

  54. ramtuff2005 says:
    Nov 28, 2014 9:01 PM
    P. Rivers: 29 of 35 for 291 yards and 1 TD against the Rams.

    He beats teams in the 4th all the time, and I’m talking about GOOD teams, not horrible teams like the Rams.

    Stop complaining now.

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    No ones complaining. I agree those are very good numbers Rivers put up….but those numbers are between the 20’s. And his lone TD pass was a screen play…so technically the RB did all the work. And don’t forget Rivers’ other TD pass….the pick-6.

    And as horrible as we are….S.D. sure had a lot of trouble with us!!!
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    Still complaining?

    OK, so you think you’re clever by discounting his lone TD pass as a “run” because it’s a screen?

    OK genius, then if screens are technically “runs”, then I guess draw plays are technically “passes”, right? Same logic. And on four draw plays from shotgun, we averaged 15.3 yards gained on EACH draw play. That’s 61 yards on draw plays alone, because your D had to respect the PASS GAME because otherwise, Rivers would have eaten them alive.

    Are you done yet? You lost. Focus on your next opponent. Good luck on a .500 season, might as well tank it for the draft at this point, you’re the worst team in your division by miles.

    And as for “And as horrible as we are….S.D. sure had a lot of trouble with us!!!”… SCOREBOARD!!!

    BYE BYE!!

  55. OK, so you think you’re clever by discounting his lone TD pass as a “run” because it’s a screen?
    —————————————————-
    Remember……..He had two TD passes.

    OK genius, then if screens are technically “runs”, then I guess draw plays are technically “passes”, right? Same logic. And on four draw plays from shotgun, we averaged 15.3 yards gained on EACH draw play. That’s 61 yards on draw plays alone, because your D had to respect the PASS GAME because otherwise, Rivers would have eaten them alive
    ———————————————————–
    You really do think Rivers is a great QB don’t you. He is good….I wont argue that…..but defiantly not great. He is good during the regular season….but helpless in the playoffs.
    And again…with the draw plays the RB did all the work. SO again it doesn’t a genius to see Rivers had an off day…..that’s all.

    Are you done yet? You lost. Focus on your next opponent. Good luck on a .500 season, might as well tank it for the draft at this point, you’re the worst team in your division by miles.
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    I really do hope you enjoyed this win….cause looking at the rest of the schedule, San Diego will be lucky to win one more game. Your only two wins in the division are against the Raiders.
    So I believe I should wish you luck with the rest of the season cause it looks like you wont even see a .500 season. Cause as horrible as you say we are….worst in our division…..The Chargers have a lot to worry about. If you look at the SCOREBOARD you will notice it wasn’t a blowout…and the stats don’t show it but we could have won the game at the end. So we didn’t do to bad for a horrible team.

    Good Luck the rest of the season.

  56. My grip is not with the Chargers or Phillip Rivers. I will go back to my earlier statement and say my grip has been with the refs. They been making terrible callls at the wrong times all year long against us.
    It was a hell of a game to begin with. I think there was some terrible calls both ways…..but you have to agree….they effected us more. Especially at the end of the game.

    And for the record…..I am a die hard Rams fan. But the Chargers are one of the very few teams I wouldn’t mind seeing them do well.

    So good luck the rest of the way!

  57. Hey ramtuff, let’s talk again about River’s ability to drive down the field for game-winning TD’s in the 4th!!!

    LOL!!!

    You guys smacked the Raiders around for no reason except a worse draft position, meanwhile we beat the Ravens at the last second for playoff position!!

    HAHahahahahaha!!

  58. Hey natelan

    Im wrong……i say im wrong……he did it. Big win for you guys
    Although thay PI call was kind of shakey….just kidding. Cant Wont take away from your big win.

  59. ramtuff, not that I expect you to check back here… But once again, Rivers has an amazing 4th quarter comeback victory, this time against the 49ers…

    I’m telling you… Rivers may not be Peyton Manning, but he is a very good quarterback and thrives under pressure.

  60. Natelan, i will agree Rivers is a very good QB and a tough SOB i might add, but he has been up and down. Guess it comes down to the last game of the year. If Rivers picks upwhere he left off on Thursday, they deserve to be in the playoffs considering the games they had to play at the end.

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