Bengals catch a break with a challenge they didn’t have

AP

Sometimes, the challenges you don’t actually have help the most.

The Bengals escaped with a 14-13 win at Tampa Bay, thanks to a bold call by Bengals coach Marvin Lewis.

It was nearly the only thing that went right for his team on the day.

The Bengals survived a three-interception first half by quarterback Andy Dalton, but actually took a 14-10 lead in the third quarter when Dalton hit A.J. Green for a 13-yard touchdown pass.

They then chose a surprise onsides kick, but the Bucs recovered, and were able to get a field goal to close the gap to one.

But as the Bengals offense faltered, the Bucs appeared to have a chance to win the game with a late drive.

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis threw a challenge flag he didn’t have, costing himself a timeout. But the stoppage of play allowed the refs to realize the Buccaneers had 12 men on the field, negating a 21-yard pass play which would have set up a chip shot game-winner.

Instead, the Bucs had a desperate fourth-and-20 try which was well short, allowing the Bengals to kill the game.

The win moves the Bengals to 8-3-1 on a rough day for their division, although this one had plenty of warts.

The Buccaneers fell to 2-10, which ought to take care of their faint playoff hopes.

50 responses to “Bengals catch a break with a challenge they didn’t have

  1. The penalty should have cost the Bengals more than a timeout. They had nothing to lose by violating the rules and throwing the challenge flag when they couldn’t challenge.

  2. The Bengals don’t get too many lucky breaks. I’ll take this one. It’s hard to win three straight on the road, but we did it.

  3. Nov 30, 2014 4:06 PM

    The penalty should have cost the Bengals more than a timeout. They had nothing to lose by violating the rules and throwing the challenge flag when they couldn’t challenge.
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    Bottom line is Tampa had 12 men on the field and that play shouldn’t have counted.

  4. 12 men on the field, are you kidding me? What garbage coaching to let that happen. Great job by Marvin though, that may be the difference in making the playoffs.

  5. That was terrible we didn’t deserve to win that game. Dalton was under the weather but still that was a terrible all around performance by the whole team. But Steelers still lost to Tampa so it’s all good.

  6. The Bengals didn’t use a challenge they didn’t have- they used a challenge inside of 2:00. The old rules would have penalized the Bengals (Jim Schwartz challenge with the Lions); however, the competition committee took away the penalty to the challenging team and allowed a booth review the next season. Bottom line the Bucs had 12 men on the field, and not a guy leaving the field at the last second, the play had 12 men.

  7. If there’s any week for Bad Andy to show up, its against Tampa Bay. Especially the same week where the whole division is having problems. Browns fell apart, Steelers down by two possessions with a minute left, and the Ravens just gave up the lead with less than a minute to go.

    Great Sunday for the Bengals, just not for AD.

  8. From Twitter: Dean Blandino ‏@DeanBlandino
    #CINvsTB replay official was stopping game for review when Lewis threw challenge flag. It would have been looked at regardless.

  9. I know a lot of people like to throw “overrated ” out when they don’t like a team or player but man Andy Dalton (red pop gun)is overrated, pure garbage.

  10. Andy had the flu and had to take 2 IVs before the game. He had an off day, but has played well on this road trip otherwise. Bengals are 8-3-1.

  11. Bucs deserved the flag, but I don’t really believe that

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    greshaaa says: Nov 30, 2014 4:21 PM

    From Twitter: Dean Blandino ‏@DeanBlandino
    #CINvsTB replay official was stopping game for review when Lewis threw challenge flag. It would have been looked at regardless.

  12. All these people talking about “Good Andy” and “Bad Andy” seem blind to the fact that “Good Andy” in the 2nd half got the Bengals the win.

    Poor special teams and defensive coverage almost ruined Dalton’s comeback.

  13. Great challenge by Lewis after the ridiculous onside kick call. I’d say those two calls end up as a wash. Luckily the last place Ravens, Browns, and Steelers all lost today. 4 games left to earn a playoff spot.

  14. greshaaa says: Nov 30, 2014 4:21 PM

    From Twitter: Dean Blandino ‏@DeanBlandino
    #CINvsTB replay official was stopping game for review when Lewis threw challenge flag. It would have been looked at regardless
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    Marvin couldn’t have known that though. I am normally highly critical of Marvin Lewis (I don’t think he’s a very good coach) but he did what he had to in this case. What else was he supposed to do?

  15. Hey Toronto, how’d the Raiders do????? Lol! SMH
    LEWIS knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he threw the flag, he didn’t want to challenge the play…..he wanted to get the refs attention so THEY could look @ it. Any play under 2:00 the refs can stop & look @.
    Try to stay with us Idiot

  16. JoeToronto: Lewis is on the committee. The “idiot” knew exactly whether or not he could throw a challenge and what the penalty would be. 12 men on the field – should have been caught regardless!

  17. I get it, the rules are the rules. From time to time it is discovered that a particular rule may have a loophole. When that happens it needs to be addressed. The only penalty that is reviewable is 12 men on the field. Seems an odd exception to me and the rule itself should be modified for a completely unrelated reason. I couldn’t count how many times I’ve seen a flag for 12 men on the field when they dude is humping 10 yards or more from the line of scrimmage, a step from the sideline, no possible way or intention of influencing the play. Cheesiest penalty in the game for the unfortunate defender who didn’t get the play call early enough. But it does all come down to situational awareness, coaching and knowing your play book. Shouldn’t ever happen on offense.

  18. It was changed for this exact reason…so the refs have the opportunity to review. Players have been lining up off sides on several games lately in all divisions and refs are failing to catch them. It’s nuts.

  19. Remember when Schwartz did this last year on Thanksgiving and got the 15 yard penalty…. everyone…and I mean EVERYONE shouted for this to not be a penalty and how the refs job was to get the call right. It is worth mentioning that the 12 men were all lined up as well – it wasn’t like a guy was running for the sideline and wouldn’t have factored in the play. It gave the Bucs a HUGE advantage on that play with the extra guy.

    Fast forward to today. Everyone asked for it… everyone got it. This may be the only smart move Marvin Lewis does in the next 4 weeks… so we should enjoy it.

    As for the rule – it all comes back to the “GET THE PLAY RIGHT” mentality. If that replay didn’t happen…. everyone would be on here complaining about how the refs screwed it up.

    Bottom line, it was the right move according to the rules, the right call in the end. Cincinnati did not deserve to win the game… and TB didn’t either…but someone had to win that mess.

  20. Don’t have a dog in this hunt as far as these two teams are concerned.

    But, as a general NFL fan, this rule needs to be tweeked. It was CORRECT and proper that the play be reviewed and T.B. docked for the penalty. However, throwing a Red Flag when you can’t should ALSO result in an unsportsmanlike penalty.

  21. For those who didn’t see the play. It was a blatant 12-men on the field. It wasn’t a guy hustling off being out there by mistake. There were 4 WR’s, a RB, a TE, 5 OL and a QB. They tried to run the play with 12, and the guy who was uncovered, the slot WR, made the catch. The ridiculous thing is that the refs missed it in the first place.

  22. Verbally calling a timeout or trying to signal for a timeout might be missed. Throwing something bright red into the middle of the field would not. Say the Bucs snap it quick and the refs don’t see or hear Lewis’ timeout call? The Bengals likely lose. He knew the risk was only a timeout regardless, so why not throw a fit?

  23. The challenge should never have been allowed. I thought it was a penalty to throw the challenge flag in the last two minutes. Bengals should have to forfeit the game.

  24. Typical Bucs mistake, one of many that lost the game. Again. Killing ourselves with penalties. Amazing that they were still in the game at the end. No tight ends active for the game, all 3 injured; tackle Oniel Cousins tackle-eligible all game. Lavonte David out. Dietrich-smith out. Still, another shoulda-won game.

  25. agc99 says:
    Nov 30, 2014 8:46 PM
    The challenge should never have been allowed. I thought it was a penalty to throw the challenge flag in the last two minutes. Bengals should have to forfeit the game.

    This has to be my favorite comment ever. 12 men on the field. The right call was made, but still hope for a forfeit? Classic!

  26. @agc99
    You do know that it only happened because the Bucs had 12 men on the field and the refs completely failed at their job, right? It’s not like he tried to challenge the spot of the ball or something. Yeesh!

  27. Teams have extended drives or scored with 10 men on the field. A HUGE disadvantage. Of course the offense should be flagged for too many men on the field. Officials miss calling penalties ALL the time. What is the logic of reviewing a single penalty?

  28. gofor2with3pointlead says:
    Nov 30, 2014 9:20 PM
    Teams have extended drives or scored with 10 men on the field. A HUGE disadvantage. Of course the offense should be flagged for too many men on the field. Officials miss calling penalties ALL the time. What is the logic of reviewing a single penalty?
    =================================
    I think this boys cheese has slipped off of his cracker! WOW

  29. I’ve been a non supporter of Marvin Lewis for all these years, but this one he gets the game ball hands down. Lewis had 2 great challenges the week before in Houston which didn’t go unnoticed. Nice to see him improving that part of his game. Congrats Marvin and Bengals.

  30. Why is everybody so salty about the challenge flag? They had 12 on the field, the 12th caught the pass. Marvin made the call of his career!

  31. To be clear, I’m a Bucs fan. And, while it don’t think they should have won the game based on a play in which they had 12 men on the field, the way it all went down doesn’t seem right either. What if the Bengals didn’t have a time out? What would have been the result of Lewis throwing the flag during the last two minutes?

    I do think there should be some sort of penalty for throwing the challenge flag when either A) Your team is out of challenges, or B) It is within the last two minutes of a half. Please note, this is not what happened to Schwartz in Detroit. That knucklehead threw a challenge flag on a play that was already being challenged by rule. Which in my opinion should have resulted in a delay of game, because that idiot, in fact, delayed the game for no reason.

    Moving forward, I am not sure what the penalty should be…perhaps something as damaging as Loss of a Time Out and 15 yards for Unsportsmanlike Conduct, or something as small as Loss of a Time Out and 5 yards for Delay of Game. Again, not sure what to do if the team is already out of time outs….perhaps and additional 5 or 10 yards.

    For this particular game, the Bucs made the error of putting too many on the field. And, the refs made the error of not catching it prior to the snap. However, the Bengals were rewarded for breaking the rules. While in this particular game, the end result was that the correct call was made, and the Bucs were penalized (deservedly so), it is not hard to see future scenarios were teams will throw challenge flags to stop the play just to provide the booth the time and opportunity to look at something, while still not being an official review. There either should be a penalty for doing so, or there should be an unlimited amount of challenges throughout all 60 min (which seems ridiculous). But, what happened today tells me the rule needs to be tweaked again….Not for what happened today, but for what may happen tomorrow.

  32. Marvin Lewis didn’t even catch it. His coach upstairs saw it and told him to get the ref to review it. Marvin is still the same old poor game manager.

    Oh and the officiating in this game was awful. There was a shady hands to the face called on a Bengal who accidentally scraped his finger tips on someone’s face mask. Didn’t even change the guy’s head direction. Then AJ got called for OPI for putting his hands on someone and not pushing or anything. The refs were out to win this one for the Bucs. Still failed. Wow.

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