Peterson’s suspension could extend into 2015

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As hearing officer Harold Henderson contemplates a ruling in the Adrian Peterson appeal and hopes that the NFL and NFL Players Association find a middle ground that will allow Henderson to avoid making a decision, it looks like the league office has leaked a little of its leverage.

If Henderson upholds the suspension, which initially was supposed to cover the final six games of the 2014 regular season, the suspension could still cover a total of six games.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports, citing unnamed league sources, that a decision this week by Henderson to affirm the suspension could result in Peterson missing the last three games of 2014 without pay — and the first three games of 2015 without pay.

It feels like an effort to squeeze Peterson into accepting whatever the league is offering, possibly a suspension through the rest of the year with reinstatement after the season ends.  But it would be an unfair outcome; Peterson already has missed 11 games and counting.  He has missed three (as of today) since being suspended without pay.  Although he’s still being paid on the double-secret probation Commissioner-Exempt list, why should he not get credit for the games missed while his appeal unfolded?

Of course, Peterson also should get credit for the time missed while his legal case was pending.  Even though he was paid, it’s easy enough to go back and take game checks away from Peterson.  For some reason, it’s too hard for the NFL to realize that.

103 responses to “Peterson’s suspension could extend into 2015

  1. This thing should have went in front of a grand jury it would have been over by now this is a friggin joke what this man is being put though ! I know hes rich beyond belief but this is a joke!

  2. The NFL is like cops and prosecutors. They will never admit being wrong, never apologize for a mistake, and never back down. They will slow-walk this to death.

  3. Not advocating any kind of abuse, but if the NFL suspends him into next year, then someone should suspend the NFL. how hard is it to get a suspension right? !

  4. Okay Adrian Peterson was not right, but how do these people operate? They make this up as they go along. Everyone has a right to a fair and consistent process. Wow.

  5. I understand appealing a suspension lets a player continue to play at the cost of delaying the imposition of the penalty, but it’s ludicrous for the NFL to claim that this practice should apply to Peterson. How vindinctive and petty.

  6. Owners need to step in pressure goodell and the rest of the league office into stopping this ego battle. Ap has missed the year, the nfl looks insanely inept at being able to mete out fair punishment while apparently it’s ok for josh Brent and ray rice to play while ap cannot. Aldon smith made bomb threats and shot a guy….this league is a joke

  7. How can you call a suspension WITH PAY, as he was on the exempt list a punishment? A third party—agreed to by the league AND the NFLPA has already ruled the league did nothing wrong by keeping him on the list WITH PAY after his legal case was settled.

  8. What a joke. NFL has absolutely no idea what it’s doing. Every single day I wake up and Goodell still has a job giving him $44,000,000 a year, I lose more interest in this league. Sit out the rest of the season and take them to court, AP.

  9. Yeah he deserves it, and I’m glad his union can’t protect him. Usually all unions do is protect the worst of their members. Not this time. THIS is how you stand up to abuse.

    NFL is firing him. He’s done. Good riddance. He should be doing time.

  10. AP has already missed more time then the previous 40 players combined involved in a domestic situation. Like everyone else has said, I never will condone his actions but the NFL making up rules as they go is a joke! The NFL messed up, and tried to cover up, the Ray Rice case… now they are trying to make AP pay for their mistake.

  11. whatevnfl says:
    Dec 7, 2014 10:46 AM

    Okay Adrian Peterson was not right, but how do these people operate? They make this up as they go along. Everyone has a right to a fair and consistent process. Wow
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    This right here is dead on correct.

  12. I love all the same people disturbed by what rice did and say goodell should be fired for being to leanient are the same fools saying ap is getting to much and goodell should be fired. See there is no pleasing some people. The NFL, the Redskins and many others have already realized this. Ever hear the classic lyrics “you can’t please everyone so you have to please yourself”

  13. I don’t beleive in kicking a downed person. My issue if being paid while not performing. Where is the pain in that?
    I say he gets suspended 6 games without pay. OR, he agree’s to pay back the money, stays out the rest of this season and starts anew next year. That would solve all the issues. Story over.

  14. Time served would only be meaningful if Peterson had been suspended without pay. I have a hard time feeling sorry for a child-beating millionaire who’s been collecting paychecks for not working.

  15. Hopefully, none of you trolls ever make a MISTAKE in your life….This could be you at your job, for want of a MISTAKE! P.S. Your fellow trolls won’t be posting on social media for you, should your day come!!!!!!!!!

  16. “How can you call a suspension WITH PAY, as he was on the exempt list a punishment?”

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    It wasn’t AP that said the exempt list was a suspension, it was the NFL (Troy Vincent)!!! This exempt list is a joke and no player will agree to it again. Now that AP wants off of it because the league lied (again) they won’t let him off and are trying to say he still isn’t serving his suspension they handed down 3 weeks ago. All because the NFL handled the Rice case so poorly.

  17. I usually agree with the league on discipline matters but there is no rational reason for this. Is missing games the punishment or is it the money? Taking 6 game checks and letting him play immediately is the only fair form of discipline here and that covers both angles. Extending it hurts the team more than the offender. Unless, it is the team that doesn’t want him back right now. In which case they should have to release him or make him a healthy inactive instead of hiding behind the league for PR purposes.

    Just get it right. It really isn’t hard. Ignore the pressure from the sponsors and bloodthirsty fans.

  18. Bonniebengal and whatevnfl

    You do realize you can be fired from your company for anything except discrimination(race, religion gender or sexual orientation). If you went home and beat your child and your boss found out about it he has a right to fire you on the spot. He has a right to say “we don’t hire child abusers.” It’s their right. He had his day in court but that has no effect on the work place. Hell you can get suspended from a place like pft or ESPN for simply saying the wrong thing or having a different belief then they want pushed. Just stop this nonsense

  19. Spielman has built the deepest roster from the bottom up.

    Spielman + Zimmer=Superbowls

    I can see the purple confetti falling next year of course.

    Book it.

    This mighty franchise will not be denied.

    The dynasty continues.

  20. “I don’t believe in a “time already spent” mentality”

    It’s immaterial that you don’t “believe” in this concept since it is a standard within our legal system.

    People regularly get sentenced to x length of time minus time already served while waiting for trial.

  21. 1. When you appeal a suspension – you normally area allowed to play during the appeal

    2. Peterson has not been allowed to play.

    3. The only thing that needs to be determined is the number of game checks the NFL wants donated to charity.

    4. The NFL has already stated that the number they feel is correct is 6.

    While not agreeing that the number 6 is correct or proper – this could all be settled with a single check made out to the charity of the NFL’s choice.

    This kangaroo court being played out by the NFL is simply wrong.

  22. The NFL is now all-in from a PR standpoint as “tough on convicted child abusers.” (Sad that thanks to AP this is even a “thing” in 2014). For every person who thinks something “unfair” is happening to an unintelligent, unrepentant, can’t-keep-his-fly-zipped, multimillionaire athlete, the NFL instead thinks about the photos of a whipped child’s genitals and how it can keep the (admitted!) perpetrator of the act off its fields. Can to blame the NFL? AP might be bring treated unfairly, but he’s no victim here.

  23. Any time “prior served” should be included…..but only if it were actual jail time, not a paid vacation. The whole thing may be a page out of Idiocracy (the movie,) but he deserves some pain and hardship, not blunts and a stuffed bank account.

  24. It’s called making an example of someone and it’s a total crock. I realize there are many people on a moral high horse and feel any punishment levied on Adrian is just, but when you compare the punishments for other NFL players crimes and incidents, to suspend Adrian for essentially 18+ games is completely unfair. We are not in a zombie apocalypse world folks, you need to have some consistency in organization, and this Adrian punishment is ridiculous.

  25. What could AP sue for? He’s lost no wages to this point. His income loss is only due to his sponsors that were smart enough to dump him.

    You can’t sue the NFL because you want to play in their league. If that was the case, half the loudmouths on this board would sue.

    AP should have pled guilty because he was guilty. At least he should have started counseling in early September and began volunteer work. Instead he smoked dope and let his lawyers bungle everything up for him.

    I think that what’s happening to him is karma and it is hilarious!

  26. Hahaha, that’s what you get for appealing and refusing to accept responsibility for your actions!

    On another note, Peterson hasn’t been “forced” to sit “11” games so far as reported here. He was given the choice to sit for 8 games with pay and he accepted that offer. Nobody forced him to make that decision.

    Would he have been suspended if he refused? Possibly, we don’t know, because he made the choice to sit and earn his salary for those 8 games. But we do know this; had he refused to willfully being placed on the commissioner’s exempt list and forced the league or Vikings to actually suspend him, he’d already be playing by now. He’d have played the last 3 weeks at least.

    He should have manned-up from the beginning.

  27. Troy Vincent doesn’t have the authority to enforce punishment.

    Those 8 weeks of paid vacation were agreed to by AP, and do not count against his suspension.

    Due to his appeal, we’re still waiting for AP to begin serving his suspension.

    That’s what you get for beating children and shirking responsibility.

  28. thepftpoetsmom says: Dec 7, 2014 11:14 AM

    Spielman has built the deepest roster from the bottom up.

    Spielman + Zimmer=Superbowls

    I can see the purple confetti falling next year of course.

    Book it.

    This mighty franchise will not be denied.

    The dynasty continues.

    ************************************

    dy·nas·ty : : a family, team, etc., that is very powerful or successful for a long period of time.

    Evidently the issue is understanding the word “successful”. Typically in sports “successful” equates to “winning”.

    Vikings:
    Playoff Record (all-time) : 19-27 (Last appearance after 2012 season)
    Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 4 appearances
    Championships Won : 0

    Packers:
    Playoff Record (all-time) : 30-19 (Last appearance after 2013 season)
    Super Bowls Won: 4 out of 5 appearances
    Championships Won: 13

    Do the math.

  29. Players have always been able to play while going thru court and while appealing their suspension. This is wrong all the way around. And did I see a 49ers fan saying AP should be done? Look at the situation there lol. What AP did is nothing compared to a bomb threat and terristic threat against our country.

  30. He should have been punished, as he WAS.
    He should also be given a second chance.

    But I wish I was hearing more about the counseling and parenting classes he was taking rather than lawsuits and finger pointing.

  31. So you think someone can fight any from of discipline or penalty handed down to them …. get paid the entire time …. see they are going to lose …. so then decide to rewrite your own way on how it should be so it works out best for that person ? YOU are nuts …. that would be the equivalent of playing cards with someone and letting them go back and grab the cards they discarded earlier and use them to beat your hand …. yeah, I didn’t think any of you would do that …. best thing the loser could have done was NOT abuse your child …. he should feel real lucky he’s not in prison

  32. Peterson is still getting off too easy. Even if he misses this season and 3 games next season, remember, he tortured a four year old child and has a history of that same behavior with his other children. We just don’t have the photos. They could be even worse than the photos we saw. He needs to be rehabilitated (if possible). I’m more concerned about him as a parent than I am as a football player. His kids will need help too so they don’t grow up to abuse their wives and kids. No doubt Ray Rice was “disciplined” this same way when he was a kid. Peterson already admitted that he was. Strong men are supposed to protect the women and children, not beat them up.

  33. Would everyone come to Peterson’s defense if they saw a video of him “whooping” his child?

    Under the new domestic violence policy a first offense is automatic 6 games, longer for “aggravated” circumstances. Other than beating a pregnant woman, what is worse than beating a child? I cannot believe people think AP is getting screwed or feel sorry for him.

    And despite what the Union says, the domestic violence policy was collectively bargained in 2011 because it falls under the personal conduct policy, which gives the Commissioner very broad discretion. In 2011, the Union cared more about dollars than changing the Commissioner’s broad discretion under the personal conduct policy, otherwise they would have fought harder on this issue. The Union now wants to have its cake and eat it too.

  34. elmerbrownelmerbrown says: Dec 7, 2014 10:38 AM

    This thing should have went in front of a grand jury it would have been over by now this is a friggin joke what this man is being put though ! I know hes rich beyond belief but this is a joke

    I disagree. The joke is thinking that the NFL is putting him through this. HE put himself through this. How about what HE put a defenseless child through? THAT is the joke. That and all the fantasy fools that worry more about their FANTASY points than children getting beaten.

  35. And the biggest issue(and a reason the NFL is coming down so hard on him) is literally he had to attend the funeral of his son because someone “went overboard” with a punishment and killed him just weeks before this broke. Even after his child was beaten to death he still felt the need to beat his child pretty badly. I think that losing a son would change a person. But the only thing that can change ap is taking away what he loves, which is obviously football and not his kids. And in that case the league should force him to get snipped before he’s allowed to play again

  36. Things **MAY** have been at least a little different had Peterson taken the time out of his busy schedule to at least attend ALL meetings that were held in regards to his football career. Just the fact alone that he skipped these meetings tells you the type of person he is.

    Sit out your 6 games, apply for reinstatement for the PRIVILEGE of playing football for a living and move on. Be thankful you had a mouthpiece in court that kept you from getting a felony.

    Remember, Peterson brought all this on himself for not having the common sense on how to discipline a child!

  37. tokyofilthblaster says:
    Dec 7, 2014 11:08 AM
    All these Viking legal troubles are hard to keep track of.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    ^ This is a blatant lie. You live only to keep track of the Viking”s legal troubles. Your life is empty without them.

  38. Seems like the NFL has two choices. Reinstate the man before the end of the 2014 season, deal with the backlash now during the holiday season when most of the world is distracted by other things or suspend him into the 2015 season and next September/October this is still a story that the league could have made go away a long time ago. Way to protect the shield.

  39. Why are people so bent on Peterson getting paid means he hasn’t given anything up. They guy has missed a whole season of football. In the past he also missed a ton of games with his knee injury. The guy already broke NFL records and wants to break more. That’s HISTORY money can’t buy.

    It’s not like Peterson is Johnny Football who makes his money signs with his fingers.

    There is no way Peterson will be suspended next season. No matter where he ended up the fans will go nuts if he can’t play the first month of football. Even more so if he couldn’t practice with the team.

    Chris Mortensen is the same person who said there is a chance Peterson plays again this year.

  40. Peterson is a low life. He should never be allowed to be alone with children again nor should he play football again.

  41. Back when I was in college there was this guy in our group of friends named Kevin. Very few people outside our group knew his name was Kevin because everyone just referred to him as Cheesey McCheese or McCheese for short. McCheese came from a long line of Green Bay Packer fans as his father was a Packer fan before him as was his father’s father as well. During the 80s while we were in school Lard Butt would root for the Denver Broncos. When we asked why he was rooting for the Broncos and not the Packers he told us that since the Packers suck year after year after year after year after year it got to the point that he needed to choose another team to follow, just as all his family had.

    Cut to the present and McCheese is back to being a Packer fan who spouts off about how the Packers have the greatest franchise ever and how the Packer fans are the most loyal and best fans anywhere. When we ask him about the Broncos and the 80s he says he has no idea what we are talking about.

    Sound familiar to anyone?

  42. mediasloppy says:
    Dec 7, 2014 12:49 PM
    Why are people so bent on Peterson getting paid means he hasn’t given anything up. They guy has missed a whole season of football.
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    I repeat… He CHOSE to sit for those 8 games! Nobody forced him to take an 8 game PAID VACATION… He was given the choice, and he took it!

    A paid vacation is NOT a suspension!

    He still needs to serve his suspension for beating his child, and the longer he appeals and delays, the longer he will be away from the playing field.

    Had he NOT chosen to take a paid vacation in the middle of the season, he’d already be playing this year.

  43. Players who have killed and raped have been reinstated faster than Peterson. If I were Peterson, I would sue Goodell to reclaim money he is losing by missed games and sponsorships. This is a joke. If this was manning or Rodgers, they would have missed no time at all.

  44. cheeseisfattening says:
    Dec 7, 2014 1:03 PM

    Back when I was in college there was this guy in our group of friends named Kevin. Very few people outside our group knew his name was Kevin because everyone just referred to him as Cheesey McCheese or McCheese for short. McCheese came from a long line of Green Bay Packer fans as his father was a Packer fan before him as was his father’s father as well. During the 80s while we were in school Lard Butt would root for the Denver Broncos. When we asked why he was rooting for the Broncos and not the Packers he told us that since the Packers suck year after year after year after year after year it got to the point that he needed to choose another team to follow, just as all his family had.

    Cut to the present and McCheese is back to being a Packer fan who spouts off about how the Packers have the greatest franchise ever and how the Packer fans are the most loyal and best fans anywhere. When we ask him about the Broncos and the 80s he says he has no idea what we are talking about.

    Sound familiar to anyone?
    ==================================
    No, because you made it up.

    You can immediately tell that this story is fabricated since it includes a Vikings fan going to college.

    Had it taken place when you were 16 and in the 6th grade, some of it may have been believable.

  45. @giantsfanlewis

    Employers have the right to do anything they want. However, the NFL put a personal conduct “policy” in place – they came out and said that domestic abuse would be a six game suspension.

    Then they made up some new exemption category and hid behind that, telling Adrian Peterson he could stay on that list and be paid until his court case was resolved. They didn’t expect it to be resolved this season. Once it was, the NFL backtracked and said now you have to come in for this super secret disciplinary hearing that is not collectively bargained. Adrian Peterson has a union and they told him not to go.

    If the new policy is a six game suspension, fine the guy for six game checks and let him play. Now it’s being dragged out even further because of the appeal and threatening that even these weeks don’t count as time served.

    If the NFL’s conduct policy is that players who engage in any type of domestic violence are suspended indefinitely, then enforce it. But you can’t say it’s six games, or maybe those will count if you come to suspect meeting, or maybe those games absolutely won’t count, and now we will suspend you another six games, but now maybe not starting until your appeal is over.

    In the Ray Rice appeal, the independent arbitrator rebuked the Commissioner and his in-house people as being arbitrary and basically abusing his discretion and overturned his ruling.

    I really don’t care what happens to Adrian Peterson, but then don’t even bother having a personal conduct policy. Just come out and say we’re going to suspend players for as long as we want, if we want, and we’re the boss so we can do what we want and don’t have to answer to anyone. Don’t pretend there is a policy and a process and then make up new rules as you go along or backtrack and come up with a new recollection when you get public backlash.

  46. wishingtonredslur says:
    Dec 7, 2014 10:41 AM
    I don’t believe in a “time already spent” mentality.

    ___________________________________
    Unless of course, the league like, you know, told him that….

  47. No, because you made it up.

    You can immediately tell that this story is fabricated since it includes a Vikings fan going to college.

    Had it taken place when you were 16 and in the 6th grade, some of it may have been believable.
    ———————–
    Ouch, it sounds like that story hit a little to close to the mark for Frank.

  48. “wishingtonredslur says:Dec 7, 2014 10:41 AM – I don’t believe in a “time already spent” mentality.” You should try it sometime.

  49. “fondyball20 says:Dec 7, 2014 11:11 AM – It wasn’t AP that said the exempt list was a suspension, it was the NFL (Troy Vincent)!!! This exempt list is a joke and no player will agree to it again. Now that AP wants off of it because the league lied (again) they won’t let him off and are trying to say he still isn’t serving his suspension they handed down 3 weeks ago. All because the NFL handled the Rice case so poorly.” THANK YOU.

  50. “sonofad says:Dec 7, 2014 11:27 AM – I’m glad the Packers don’t roster any child beaters.” No, just child molesters (Mark Chmura).

  51. sonofad says:Dec 7, 2014 11:27 AM – I’m glad the Packers don’t roster any child beaters.” No, just child molesters (Mark Chmura).
    —–
    Don’t forget serial killers (Randy Woodfield)

  52. “coachkilla6 says:Dec 7, 2014 11:34 AM – What could AP sue for? He’s lost no wages to this point. His income loss is only due to his sponsors that were smart enough to dump him. You can’t sue the NFL because you want to play in their league. If that was the case, half the loudmouths on this board would sue. AP should have pled guilty because he was guilty. At least he should have started counseling in early September and began volunteer work. Instead he smoked dope and let his lawyers bungle everything up for him. I think that what’s happening to him is karma and it is hilarious!” Sue you? Are you implying that nobody is in your league, or that you are better than other people? You should learn how to spell ‘plead’ before you try to move up. Also, implying that Peterson smoked weed is libel.

  53. sureban says:
    Dec 7, 2014 2:31 PM
    “fondyball20 says:Dec 7, 2014 11:11 AM – It wasn’t AP that said the exempt list was a suspension, it was the NFL (Troy Vincent)!!! This exempt list is a joke and no player will agree to it again. Now that AP wants off of it because the league lied (again) they won’t let him off and are trying to say he still isn’t serving his suspension they handed down 3 weeks ago. All because the NFL handled the Rice case so poorly.” THANK YOU.
    ——————————
    I repeat…

    Troy Vincent never has had the authority to impose or augment punishment under the CBA.

    If Troy Vincent gave his word on “time served”, that was an overstep of his authority, but AP, the player’s union and both their lawyers should have known that such an offer was an empty promise without the direct endorsement from the league commissioner.

    Furthermore, we are at this time, merely SPECULATING that such a statement was even made by Vincent. He may have merely alluded to it, or he may have even outright promised it, we don’t know his exact words, so don’t pretend like you know for a fact that such a promise was made.

    But again, moot point, CBA doesn’t give NFL VP’s the right to augment an existing suspension.

  54. sureban says:
    Dec 7, 2014 2:28 PM
    “tokyofilthblaster says:Dec 7, 2014 11:08 AM – All these Viking legal troubles are hard to keep track of.” What ALL???
    ————————
    Already forget about Kluwe…?

  55. sureban says:
    Dec 7, 2014 2:35 PM

    “sonofad says:Dec 7, 2014 11:27 AM – I’m glad the Packers don’t roster any child beaters.”

    No, just child molesters (Mark Chmura).
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    sureban: Mark Chmura never sought a plea deal and went to trial where he was found Not Guilty by a jury. Something AP could never do because he is guilty. And yes, by his own admission, AP smokes weed during the season. Let him sue me for libel as you ridiculously claim.

    Lastly, regarding the use of the word P-L-E-D:
    “Pled definition, a simple past tense and past participle of plead”

  56. For those complaining of the length of time:

    -The court system worked extra fast for the criminal and accepted his plea bargain.

    -The NFL has already made its decision right after the court system.

    -The delay is only attributable to Peterson’s appeal of the punishment.

    -Peterson, as he always has been, is still being paid by the vikings. He has lost nothing due to his criminal misbehavior which has greatly disrespected the NFL.

    -Since the appeal is still ongoing a decision likely cannot be made before next week.

    -Only after a decision can the suspension begin.

    -Having the suspension continue into next season is just and fair.

  57. “265theavenue says:Dec 7, 2014 11:43 AM – dy·nas·ty: a family, team, etc., that is very powerful or successful for a long period of time. Evidently the issue is understanding the word “successful”. Typically in sports “successful” equates to “winning”. Vikings: Playoff Record (all-time) : 19-27 (Last appearance after 2012 season) Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 4 appearances Championships Won : 0. Packers: Playoff Record (all-time) : 30-19 (Last appearance after 2013 season) Super Bowls Won: 4 out of 5 appearances Championships Won: 13. Do the math.” Overall record (inc. playoffs): Big Bay Blues [established 1919] – 0.565. Vikings [established 1961] – 0.534. You would think that a team established so much longer before the other would be more accomplished. Do the MATH.

  58. “6superbowls says:Dec 7, 2014 1:26 PM – The NFL needs stripped of it’s antitrust expemtion. It’s nothing but corporate greed.”
    Tahnk You.

  59. “coachkilla6 says:Dec 7, 2014 3:42 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 2:35 PM “sonofad says:Dec 7, 2014 11:27 AM – I’m glad the Packers don’t roster any child beaters.” No, just child molesters (Mark Chmura). – sureban: Mark Chmura never sought a plea deal and went to trial where he was found Not Guilty by a jury. Something AP could never do because he is guilty. And yes, by his own admission, AP smokes weed during the season. Let him sue me for libel as you ridiculously claim. Lastly, regarding the use of the word P-L-E-D:
    “Pled definition, a simple past tense and past participle of plead””
    I am sure if Chmura had committed the crime this year, there would be a different outcome. P.S.: Sorry about the ‘pled’ error.

  60. “natelan says:Dec 7, 2014 3:18 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 2:28 PM “tokyofilthblaster says:Dec 7, 2014 11:08 AM – All these Viking legal troubles are hard to keep track of.” What ALL??? — Already forget about Kluwe…?”

    What? Unproven allegations? Which other ALL (“legal troubles”)?

  61. “coachkilla6 says:Dec 7, 2014 3:42 PM – …by his own admission, AP smokes weed during the season. Let him sue me for libel as you ridiculously claim.”

    Does not matter what he says. You must prove it. Your statement is still libel.

  62. sureban says:
    Dec 7, 2014 4:48 PM
    “natelan says:Dec 7, 2014 3:18 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 2:28 PM “tokyofilthblaster says:Dec 7, 2014 11:08 AM – All these Viking legal troubles are hard to keep track of.” What ALL??? — Already forget about Kluwe…?”

    What? Unproven allegations? Which other ALL (“legal troubles”)?
    —————–
    Oh, you DID forget about the Kluwe case.

    Here then, let me remind you;

    Kluwe claims ST coach makes hostile remarks about gays. ST coach denies claims. Long snapper agrees with Kluwe that ST coach made hostile remarks about gays. ST coach forced to admit fault, receives suspension and mandatory sensitivity training. Team refuses to settle with Kluwe. Kluwe makes veiled allegation of multiple “star players” having improper relations with a minor. Team immediately settles case with Kluwe.

    Remember now?

  63. sureban says:
    Dec 7, 2014 4:53 PM
    “coachkilla6 says:Dec 7, 2014 3:42 PM – …by his own admission, AP smokes weed during the season. Let him sue me for libel as you ridiculously claim.”

    Does not matter what he says. You must prove it. Your statement is still libel.
    ————————
    Yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about that.

  64. “natelan says:Dec 7, 2014 6:12 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 4:48 PM “natelan says:Dec 7, 2014 3:18 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 2:28 PM “tokyofilthblaster says:Dec 7, 2014 11:08 AM – All these Viking legal troubles are hard to keep track of.” What ALL??? — Already forget about Kluwe…?” What? Unproven allegations? Which other ALL (“legal troubles”)? ——– Oh, you DID forget about the Kluwe case. Here then, let me remind you; Kluwe claims ST coach makes hostile remarks about gays. ST coach denies claims. Long snapper agrees with Kluwe that ST coach made hostile remarks about gays. ST coach forced to admit fault, receives suspension and mandatory sensitivity training. Team refuses to settle with Kluwe. Kluwe makes veiled allegation of multiple “star players” having improper relations with a minor. Team immediately settles case with Kluwe. Remember now?””

    “Allegations”, “Claims”. “forced to admit fault, receives suspension”.

  65. “natelan says:Dec 7, 2014 6:15 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 4:53 PM “coachkilla6 says:Dec 7, 2014 3:42 PM – …by his own admission, AP smokes weed during the season. Let him sue me for libel as you ridiculously claim.” Does not matter what he says. You must prove it. Your statement is still libel. ——— Yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about that.”

    So sue me.

  66. coachkilla6 says:
    Dec 7, 2014 3:42 PM
    sureban says:
    Dec 7, 2014 2:35 PM

    “sonofad says:Dec 7, 2014 11:27 AM – I’m glad the Packers don’t roster any child beaters.”

    No, just child molesters (Mark Chmura).
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    sureban: Mark Chmura never sought a plea deal and went to trial where he was found Not Guilty by a jury.

    ————————————-

    The day after Chmura was acquitted by the jury, he broke down and apologized for what he did. Basically admitted he did something inappropriate and probably illegal with a teenage girl.

    But, you couldn’t get a jury in Wisconsin to find a Packer star player guilty of a crime if there was HD video of them killing a school bus full of children.

  67. sureban says:
    Dec 7, 2014 6:38 PM
    “natelan says:Dec 7, 2014 6:12 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 4:48 PM “natelan says:Dec 7, 2014 3:18 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 2:28 PM “tokyofilthblaster says:Dec 7, 2014 11:08 AM – All these Viking legal troubles are hard to keep track of.” What ALL??? — Already forget about Kluwe…?” What? Unproven allegations? Which other ALL (“legal troubles”)? ——– Oh, you DID forget about the Kluwe case. Here then, let me remind you; Kluwe claims ST coach makes hostile remarks about gays. ST coach denies claims. Long snapper agrees with Kluwe that ST coach made hostile remarks about gays. ST coach forced to admit fault, receives suspension and mandatory sensitivity training. Team refuses to settle with Kluwe. Kluwe makes veiled allegation of multiple “star players” having improper relations with a minor. Team immediately settles case with Kluwe. Remember now?””

    “Allegations”, “Claims”. “forced to admit fault, receives suspension”.
    ————————
    Exactly. The allegations became fact, when the ST coach admitted fault. See how that works?

    And by admitting fault, the coach was punished. Also, the admission served to lend validity and credibility to Kluwe’s character, which suggests that his veiled allegations about multiple star Vikings players having an improper relationship with a minor.

    And I bet one of them was AP, given what we now know about him.

  68. Satanic Hell Creature says:Dec 7, 2014 6:43 PM

    “coachkilla6 says: Dec 7, 2014 3:42 PM – sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 2:35 PM “sonofad says:Dec 7, 2014 11:27 AM – I’m glad the Packers don’t roster any child beaters.” No, just child molesters (Mark Chmura). /// sureban: Mark Chmura never sought a plea deal and went to trial where he was found Not Guilty by a jury. — The day after Chmura was acquitted by the jury, he broke down and apologized for what he did. Basically admitted he did something inappropriate and probably illegal with a teenage girl. But, you couldn’t get a jury in Wisconsin to find a Packer star player guilty of a crime ‘EVEN’ if there was HD video of them killing a school bus full of children.

    THANK YOU.

  69. Check your dates. Chmura was NOT a member of the Packers when the alleged incident happened. He had already been released. The alleged incidents would have happened months after his release.

    THANK YOU.

  70. “sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 3:55 PM

    “265theavenue says:Dec 7, 2014 11:43 AM – dy·nas·ty: a family, team, etc., that is very powerful or successful for a long period of time. Evidently the issue is understanding the word “successful”. Typically in sports “successful” equates to “winning”. Vikings: Playoff Record (all-time) : 19-27 (Last appearance after 2012 season) Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 4 appearances Championships Won : 0. Packers: Playoff Record (all-time) : 30-19 (Last appearance after 2013 season) Super Bowls Won: 4 out of 5 appearances Championships Won: 13. Do the math.” Overall record (inc. playoffs): Big Bay Blues [established 1919] – 0.565. Vikings [established 1961] – 0.534. You would think that a team established so much longer before the other would be more accomplished. Do the MATH.”

    **************************************

    For real dude/dudette? Ok Bucky, we can go there. Since 1961 how many NFL Championships have the Vikings won? That would be Zero..

    How many have the Packers won since 1961? That would be 7 .

    As for this little item:

    “sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 6:33 PM

    265theavenue – Random GB trivia: What team went from 1972 – 1992 with only one winning season?”

    True enough. Those were bleak years, no doubt. Absolutely. Without question. Yes, the Vikes went to 4 Super Bowls during that time period. They won exactly zero – which is where they stand today. As far as the NFL is concerned the Packers have won more NFL championships than any other team. Your point is?

    You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion – but facts are facts and thus indisputable. Capiche? (Google it)

  71. I have just one question, If all you Viking haters really despise the Vikes organization? Why would YOU waste your time? Cuz I think packers are Way over rated, there for I don’t go to thier site & waste my time!!!

  72. The NFL needs to realize that yes he made a mistake and should discipline him but don’t continue to scrutinize the man. He confessed and realized what he did and he apologized for it. Why drag this our any longer. Plus, all y’all that still is demeaning AP and his situation need to take several seats and let it go. You wouldn’t want anybody criticizing your life if you made a mistake.

  73. 1265theavenue says:
    Dec 7, 2014 11:43 AM
    Vikings:
    Playoff Record (all-time) : 19-27 (Last appearance after 2012 season)
    Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 4 appearances
    Championships Won : 0

    Packers:
    Playoff Record (all-time) : 30-19 (Last appearance after 2013 season)
    Super Bowls Won: 4 out of 5 appearances
    Championships Won: 13

    ….if your gonna list “facts” at least get them correct. The Vikings have one Championship. Even an idiot should know that.

  74. “1265theavenue says:Dec 7, 2014 8:53 PM – “sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 3:55 PM – “265theavenue says:Dec 7, 2014 11:43 AM – dy·nas·ty: a family, team, etc., that is very powerful or successful for a long period of time. Evidently the issue is understanding the word “successful”. Typically in sports “successful” equates to “winning”. Vikings: Playoff Record (all-time) : 19-27 (Last appearance after 2012 season) Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 4 appearances Championships Won : 0. Packers: Playoff Record (all-time) : 30-19 (Last appearance after 2013 season) Super Bowls Won: 4 out of 5 appearances Championships Won: 13. Do the math.” Overall record (inc. playoffs): Big Bay Blues [established 1919] – 0.565. Vikings [established 1961] – 0.534. You would think that a team established so much longer before the other would be more accomplished. Do the MATH.” *** For real dude? Ok Bucky, we can go there. Since 1961 how many NFL Championships have the Vikings won? That would be Zero. How many have the Packers won since 1961? That would be 7 . As for this little item: “sureban says: Dec 7, 2014 6:33 PM – 265theavenue – Random GB trivia: What team went from 1972 – 1992 with only one winning season?” True enough. Those were bleak years, no doubt. Absolutely. Without question. Yes, the Vikes went to 4 Super Bowls during that time period. They won exactly zero – which is where they stand today. As far as the NFL is concerned the Packers have won more NFL championships than any other team. Your point is? You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion – but facts are facts and thus indisputable. Capiche? (Google it)”

    In 1969 the Vikings were ‘NFL’ Champions(January 4, 1970 > Minnesota 27 – Cleveland 7). If you want to be technical about it: GOOGLE it.

  75. That Viking championship was the equivalent of an NFC championship. Obviously, the Vikings lost their final game, in the Super Bowl that year. They were not the best team in football that year. Kansas City was. But, by all means, enjoy your Vikings championship from 45 years ago.

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