Pats expect action on tampering, with or without formal complaint

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In some cases of tampering, the team victimized by comments from another franchise regarding a player under contract formally files tampering charges with the league office.  In other cases, the team affected by tampering doesn’t.

Either way, the league can take action.

As it relates to Monday’s I-misspoke-when-I-tampered tampering case sparked by Jets owner Woody Johnson talking about his interest in a reunion with Patriots cornerback Darrelle Revis, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Patriots expect the league to investigate the situation (and impose sanctions) with or without a formal tampering complaint.

The Patriots, we’re told, believe their position was made clear on the matter through comments from coach Bill Belichick to WEEI radio in Boston.

“I would think that the league would look into those comments,” Belichick told WEEI, via Phil Perry of CSN New England.  “I think that’s . . . I’m sure that’s something that they would look into.”

The comments become a problem because:  (1) the Patriots need to renegotiate their contract with Revis by the middle of March, before his cap number shoots to $25 million under the second, phony year of his two-year contract; (2) Revis now has leverage in his discussions via the knowledge that the Jets want him back.

Making Johnson’s comments more confusing is the fact that, when Revis was available last year, Johnson didn’t want him back, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.  So if Johnson doesn’t want Revis back, why would Johnson say he did?

It’s easy (and possibly helpful) to blame the guys who are no longer employed by the team for a decision that ultimately was made by the owner.  Moreover, the comments may not have been about getting Revis back; they may have been about getting the Patriots to ultimately pay more to keep him.

Regardless of the motivation — or Johnson’s confusing I-didn’t-mean-to-say-what-I-said effort to undo the damage — it’s a textbook case of tampering.  It’s so clear that the NFL should take action, regardless of whether Patriots owner Robert Kraft signs his name to a letter requesting that action be taken.

103 responses to “Pats expect action on tampering, with or without formal complaint

  1. Textbook case of tampering. The owner who said they probably didn’t spend enough money last year and then stated he would love to have Revis back.

  2. The league has a strong position on tampering – They want it swept under the rug as quickly as possible. Face it, they don’t care, nor should we.

  3. If you actually listened to the context he was clearlyreferring to the fact that he would have had no problem bringing Revis the player back but didn’t trust his agents because of past eexperience. We live in such a gotcha litigious society and Bill B. sees the world that way because he lives it that way. If anything this lessons the chance of him coming back because woody hates embarrassment.
    99% of the complainers could never handle a press conference with 30 microphones stuck in your face woth everyone micromanaging every word. It was actually the one time I think Johnson handled the media honestly. In the case of revis, how much more do the Jets fans have to pay for once having a great player and then losing him? Go away Bill.

  4. Again, only you care about tampering. The league won’t do anything because it’s J-walking to them

  5. Woody is an extreme right wing billionaire who is used to saying whatever he wants every day. Commissioner Goodell will give him a slap on the wrist and Woody will promise not to screw up until tomorrow. Fine him $500K for this harmless brainfart and donate the money to a charity for memory loss.

  6. If Kraft made this comment about another team’s player, this comment section would be on fire with “cheater, scumbag” and other negative comments. I guess when a loser makes them no one cares?

  7. Belichick is just avoiding providing his own opinion and saying the league should look into it. Going into the playoffs is likely not the best time to pursue a complaint.

    I don’t think the Patriots care that much anyway. There will be 20 teams lined up for Revis. It’s no secret that he’s wanted.

  8. We still see a lot of statements by many teams that are making positive statements about other players that dance very closely to the tampering line. It would be nice if the league cleared up the language a little so that a team doesn’t have to monitor everything that every other coach or league representative might say and have to make a case for it each time in order to protect their player-rights under contract.

    A better system would be for every team to have a clear policy of “just don’t say flattering things about an opponent’s players”. Let their own teams praise them, in fact don’t say anything bad or good about a player on another team. If somebody asks you about them, just say that you are aware that they exist as a member of the other team and nothing more than that!

  9. I wonder how long it wil be before the Patriots are exposed for cheating again this year? There is no other explanation for when the Patriots do this well.

  10. nyhealingpoints says:
    Dec 30, 2014 7:32 AM
    If you actually listened to the context he was clearlyreferring to the fact that he would have had no problem bringing Revis the player back but didn’t trust his agents because of past eexperience. We live in such a gotcha litigious society and Bill B. sees the world that way because he lives it that way. If anything this lessons the chance of him coming back because woody hates embarrassment.
    99% of the complainers could never handle a press conference with 30 microphones stuck in your face woth everyone micromanaging every word. It was actually the one time I think Johnson handled the media honestly. In the case of revis, how much more do the Jets fans have to pay for once having a great player and then losing him? Go away Bill.

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    Not sure what you are talking about. It’s clearly against league rules, and the press picked up on it, not Bill Belichick. That’s why you are commenting on it. All Belichick said is it is the League’s problem. Also, a guy that gets to be a Billionaire and a league owner knows the rules well and knows how to manage his words.

  11. Team Revis “gained” no leverage from Johnson’s tampering. I mean its not exactly a revelation that there would be interest in Revis on the open market at the right price. It’s not going out on a limb to suggest that interest would extent well beyond a Jet reunion.

    That’s not to excuse a clear violation of the anti-tampering rule. But let’s state things honestly. Nothing changed in regards to Revis’ leverage when it comes to re-doing the final, phony year of his contract. Had Johnson said nothing, the Pats were going to have to make Revis happy to avoid him hitting the open market. Same as after Johnson opened his yap.

  12. I think it’s hilarious that spygate is still the coat rack that people hang their hat on regarding insults towards the Patriots. 40 years from now We’ll be unable to walk to bathroom on our own but we’ll still be calling the Patriots cheats when Krafts grandkids are running the show. In regards to Johnson he had a Mark Cuban moment except with 1/1000 of the credibility Cuban has. The league won’t dock them a draft pick maybe force they to swap a 3rd or 4th rounder with the Patriots at best, more than likely just a pocket change fine for the Yets.

  13. clownsfan says:Dec 30, 2014 7:32 AM

    Who cares? It’s the Jets. Worst owner in the NFL. Cares more about headlines than winning.

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    Although bad, i think the worst owner in sports resides in Santa Clara.

  14. The Patriots haters are the founding fathers of the “Factory of Sadness”.

    Wallow in envy… losers. LOL

  15. I don’t really get how’s it “tampering” to say he would have signed Revis if he could do it all over again. That’s the NFL for you. I guess it’s better than the NBA where the star players make all-star teams every off-season.

  16. You’re wasting your time Pats fans. The double standard among commenters here regarding the Pats is the norm. Any other team violates the rules its “no big deal” and “why does anyone care?”.

    Pats do it and those same people want Belichick and Kraft jailed and executed.

  17. “I don’t really get how’s it “tampering” to say he would have signed Revis…”

    Johnson said he’d love for Revis to come back. You can’t say “I’d love Darrell to come back” when Darrell is under contract to another team. It’s not even subtle tampering. It’s blatant, obvious tampering. It was so absurd that the Jets made Woody release a giant lie of a statement to explain it away.

    Not that hard.

  18. Phony second year of Revis’ contract? Revised should make the Pats honor the deal they signed if they want him back. Right honor your contract PFT comenters? Who’s with me!!!

  19. when will the pats haters get over the “cheating” stuff? the pats have been in the playoffs each year except when brady got hurt, cassel started and they still won double digit games. that is over 10 years.

    I mean, acting like the patriots are cheating right now, doing things others are not, its just laughable.

    give credit where its due, or just go away with it. if anyone has earned it, Bill and Tom have, some dang respect. not even a pats fan.

  20. It’s funny how the word (cheat) always comes up when discussing the patriots one way or the other. It’s kinda like the lions and the word stomp go hand in hand. The patriot fan base would like the rest of the NFL fan base to pretend this cheating issue was years ago only but it’s actually still very much relevant still now. If you still have a recent busted cheater on your payroll it doesn’t come across as being unaware or innocent but instead that you just don’t give a damn. As a great well known sports writer said on NFL network yesterday buyer beware if you wanna hire oc McDaniel who ended up with a job back in cheatbourough after several failures between jobs as the sac holder for Brady. The least you could do as a busted cheater like belicheat is win after being caught but this guy apparently after learning from the best learned nothing at all as he got caught and still lost ask the 49ers during our regular season game in London. I’m just glad my teams owner Mr. Pat Bowlen doesn’t allow busted cheaters to stay on the payroll thanks for not embarrassing our fans Mr. Bowlen. By the way did anybody see that so called key first down call against the jets in New York in the 4th quarter of a game the great defensive mind of Rex Ryan had called against him in a game that may have saved his job?? WOW worse first down call in the history of football even after a challenge flag was thrown unreal!!!

  21. I don’t really get how’s it “tampering” to say he would have signed Revis if he could do it all over again. That’s the NFL for you. I guess it’s better than the NBA where the star players make all-star teams every off-season.

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    The NFL rules on tampering are very clear:

    NFL Players. No club, nor any person employed by or otherwise affiliated with a club, is permitted to tamper with a player who is under contract to or whose exclusive negotiating rights are held by another club. The following provisions amplify and clarify this general policy concerning NFL players:
    􀂃 Example of Tampering. The following chain of events is enumerated here as one example of a violation of the policy against tampering with another club’s players:
    1. A club’s representative, or a third-party intermediary of that club (Club A), is involved in a private meeting or conversation with a player (or his representative) who is under contract to, or whose negotiating rights are held by, another club (Club B); and
    2. The League obtains substantiation that after or during the above contact with the player, Club A has stated, publicly or privately, its interest in obtaining his services (see “Public/Private Statements” below); and
    3. Contract problems or other disputes subsequently arise between the player and Club B (for example, the player’s failure to report on time to Club B).
    In circumstances like those of the example above, tampering will be found even in the absence of a demonstrated cause-and-effect relationship between the player’s contract problems and his prior involvement with the other club. In other words, a club will not be able to defend a tampering charge in these circumstances by asserting that its private contact with a player (or the player’s representative) did not involve any expression of
    interest in the player or was not related in any way to the player’s subsequent contract problem with his club.

    Public/Private Statements. Any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media, is a violation of this Anti- Tampering Policy. (Example of a prohibited comment: “He’s an excellent player, and we’d very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.”) All clubs should be aware that improper disclosure of confidential trade discussions with another club may be a violation of this section on prohibited public statements.

  22. “By the end of the season the Jets will be far from an embarrassment”

    Well, firing Rex made that true for 15 minutes. Then Woody held his press conference and that shining 15 minutes was over

  23. The Patriots technically did cheat by filming video from the wrong location. I am a Pats fan, but I don’t think this gave the team any real advantage. I think this same practice was followed by several teams. The Patriots paid their fines and served the penalty.

    The Jets, or course, were the team to turn the Patriots into the league office. It was their right to do so. The irony is that the shoe is now on the other foot (insert Rex joke here). The Jets are clearly cheating by overtly commenting on a player under contract to the Patriots. They would like him on their team. The owner stated the salary they would like to pay him. This is the definition of tampering.

    Intentional? Accidental? Was there an advantage gained? I see some striking similarities to Spygate between the same bitter rivals. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. If nothing else, the rivlalry continues. Josh McDaniels as the next HC of the NYJ?

  24. lucimorland says:
    Dec 30, 2014 7:36 AM
    The Patriots don’t get to complain about anyone cheating, ever.
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    Why? They lost a first round pick. Why shouldn’t other teams face consequences when they violate rules? Please explain your thinking on this one.

  25. 6thsense10 says:
    Dec 30, 2014 8:31 AM
    Phony second year of Revis’ contract? Revised should make the Pats honor the deal they signed if they want him back. Right honor your contract PFT comenters? Who’s with me!!!
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    (assuming you mean Revis and not revised) That clause was put in to actually protect Revis, not the Patriots. He asked for it so that the Patriots could not put the franchise tag on him.

  26. Woody will likely be fined. How much, who knows? But they can’t be so specific in defining tampering, have Woody’s comments easily meet that that definition and then ignore it.
    Have the Patriots lost leverage in negotiating with Revis? Probably not as his agent would already determine from other teams what his market value is.
    I doubt the Patriots really care that much about the “damage” they’ve incurred but regardless, the league needs to take some action against Woody’s ignorant comment.

    Can you imagine if Belichick said this? People would be demanding a suspension and loss of draft picks.

  27. I can’t believe some people still can’t let the Spygate thing go.

    It’s old hat and the easy way out.

    Post something noteworthy.

  28. Woody Johnson is such a dope. He doesn’t even have brains enough not to make a comment which is most definitely considered tampering.

    Good thing Johnson hired Casserly and Wolf to advise him on his next GM/HC hires. Because he’d surely screw it up on his own, again.

    As for the Pats and Spygate, I find it ironic that people still being that up to slam Belichick, yet no one ever brings up how the Niners cheated with the salary cap during the DeBartolo years which most definitely helped them sign big name free agents such as Deion Sanders and win Super Bowls.

  29. Pay the man kraft & let the pathetic perennial losers keep on being the angry keyboard losers just like their loser teams lol…..lmfao…..😡😤😭

    Revis will be in that #24 Jersey & you can bank on it ……Yeeeeee

    GO PATRIOTS……🏈🏈🏈🏈

  30. What do expect from a joke of a francise like the jets now the have to tamper with other teams players to get headlines , the nfl loves blowing the jets so don’t expect anything to happen. Go Pats

  31. No discipline will be handed down by the league against the Jets. Now, if it was a team like the Detroit Lions, no doubt there would be a fine and a loss of a draft pick or two.

  32. He will get a slap on the wrist and a fine. Woody Johnson like all the billionaire owners are Goodells boss, and Goodell knows not to make much of it just like when any owner gets into trouble (Irsay).

    All the while Revis is loving every minute of this leverage he is gaining. Either the Pats honor that 2nd year of the contract which is a huge amount of money or Revis hits the open market and gets a massive contract. With his play this season i think there will be quite a few teams willing to throw a boatload of cash his way. Which the Jets have already implied.

  33. “Second, phony second year of his contract.” Wait, isn’t that against the spirit of the cap? How is that allowed? They put that greatest cap hit in year two so it can be renegotiated?

  34. Absolutely tampering…this is an outrage…let the punishment fit the crime…FORCE HIM TO SELL THE TEAM!

  35. Patriot posters you wouldn’t have to defend the patriots everytime something like this came up if your team wouldn’t have cheated. But then again you wouldn’t have three rings either or three *** as every other fan knows it.

  36. Just like in 2006 when the Jets were caught taping the Pats in Foxboro and lied about it, the league will turn their back on this transgression as well. How many times have the Jets been caught cheating in the last 15 years? Tripping, taping and tampering… Cant the league just ban that team? Why hasn’t the 4-letter network picked up on this recent cheating event? Oh, nevermind… they are hypocrites.

  37. It’s tampering, there is no question about that. Now Revis knows he has a place where he could go after this season and can use that in leverage with the Patriots this offseason.

    Can’t prove that his remarks were anything more than poorly chosen words so while the Jets will be smacked by the league for this I don’t expect anything more than a fine and probably a swapped late round pick with the Pats. Then again if he was warned before then who knows…

  38. Bob Kraft and the Patriots are involved, so of course Goodell will investigate and punish the Jets.

  39. This is why the league WILL ACT. There has never been a more clear DEMONSTRATION of the NECESSITY of this rule than the Revis contract situation. In NFL legal circles, this will be cited as a precedent for years to come.

    The league also knows if it does not impose some kind of sanction here, the tampering rule might as well be thrown out the window. Goodell will want to make an example of Woody Johnson much like he wanted to send a message about videotaping from the proper designated location back in 2007. So expect some action here.

    The Johnson apologists, despite what they say, do in fact know he did wrong here. In a cap constrained league talking about players under contract to under teams can have profound consequences to a team’s roster. In this case the consequences are not hypothetical or implied, and that’s what makes this case the best and clearest example of the rule to date.

    1. The second year of Revis’s contract. It screams “redo-or-walk.” 25M against the cap? Have you ever heard such a case before? The Pats need to restructure this. Everyone knows that. The Jets know that.

    2. All parties agree Revis was given the wrong impression about whether his former employer wanted him to return to the team. So Johnson made it clear to Revis he wanted Revis back, and this was underscored after a 4-12 season that showed how valuable a shutdown CB is to the Jets defensive gameplan.

    3. Woody Johnson fears that Revis may be more flexible after getting a taste of winning. This may be compounded if the Patriots advance deep into the playoffs — winning a SB or coming up just short.

    4. So thinking Revis may be more disposed now than 8 months ago to give the Pats a discount on that $25 MILL (maybe another one year deal worth $12 MILL), Woody wants to give Revis more leverage in his negotiations so if the Pats re-sign him, they will have less money left to land other free agents.

    1. Patriots have a near-term deadline to renegotiate

    with one of their players who everyone knows could never be brought back

  40. Hey orangelooksgoodwithblue:

    Not to take you off your soapbox but you do realize the guy you honored, Pat Bowlen, cheated when Elway played by circumventing the salary cap when the Broncos won 2 super bowls in a row.
    Maybe you weren’t a fan then but you might want to look that one up before you start calling out others teams cheating practices or at least apply your logic to your own team.

  41. Kind of funny how so many feel it was right for the NFL to come down on the Patriots, but that the Patriots have no right to expect equal treatment.

  42. The fact is that ex Jet employee Goodell completely over reacted to a minor violation of filming from the wrong location. He was the new sheriff in town and we see how that has played out over the years with his continued arbitrary rulings. the ex Jet will do nothing even though this is a Clear violation of the rules when the filming was ambiguous at best.

  43. “Patriot posters you wouldn’t have to defend the patriots everytime something like this came up if your team wouldn’t have cheated. But then again you wouldn’t have three rings either or three *** as every other fan knows it.”

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    Displacement is a classic defense mechanism. Why don’t you direct your anger toward the appropriate target here — the owner of your favorite NFL franchise. This is all his doing.

  44. First of all, shame on the reporter for baiting Woody with a loaded question that had zero to do with the topic of the day. Woody has always tried to give knowledgable Jets fans what they want and most of the time tells it like it is. Revis is and was beloved by this fan base as one of the best Jets ever. He spoke from the heart without thinking and I’m sure Roger won’t do much about it. Talking about a player is one thing, talking to a player or his people is another. His people are almost impossible to deal with. Good luck with that Pats fans. Let’s not forget how Bill was called out for his lying, cheating, manipulating ways of working the injury report by his ex players. SHOCKER!! Like we didn’t know it was going on but the league looked into it and again a cover up for Roger’s favorite son, the Pats. Birds of the same feather. Much to do about nothing. Can we move on quickly like every time the Pats do wrong??

  45. Why do coaches of ALL teams hold their play sheets over their mouths? Your loser team must be spying to gain some sort of edge.

  46. As you can see, the Jets problems actually start at the top.

    Woody Johnson is just trying to drive Revis’s price up on the Patriots but by inserting himself, he’s now put his organization in a position to be punished by the league in taking draft picks from the Jets.

    Johnson is an idiot. And it’s teams/owners like him that make it possible for my team to make the playoffs and win more Super Bowl rings.

    GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. “First of all, shame on the reporter for baiting Woody with a loaded question that had zero to do with the topic of the day”

    What like they do to every coach and owner at every press conference ?

    The smart ones know enough to respond with the sort of answer Belichick gives “I can’t comment about a player currently on another team’s roster”

    There are standard answers you can give to any questions an anyone whose owned a team as long as Johnson has should know both the rules and the answers that won’t get him into trouble.

  48. Here’s the exchange that occurred between WEEI host Michael Holley and Belichick:

    MH: “Today Woody Johnson in his press conference to announce a new football operations team mentioned quite prominently Darrelle Revis, how he’d love to have him on the team. Based on what I heard and read, that seems like tampering. Any comment on what Woody Johnson had to say about your player?”

    BB: “I would think that the league would look into those comments, along the lines of what you just said. I think that’s . . . I’m sure that’s something that they would look into.”
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    BB didn’t demand an investigation, he stated that that’s the kind of thing the league would look into.

    Revis may or may not stay with the Patriots, but he’s not going back to the Jets. Johnson just fired the one guy who Revis would go back to play for.

  49. And of course the league is going to find in favor of the Patriots, because they can do no wrong. Classic case of favoritism.

  50. orangelooksgoodwithblue says: Dec 30, 2014 8:36 AM

    It’s funny how the word (cheat) always comes up when discussing the patriots one way or the other. It’s kinda like the lions and the word stomp go hand in hand. The patriot fan base would like the rest of the NFL fan base to pretend this cheating issue was years ago only but it’s actually still very much relevant still now. If you still have a recent busted cheater on your payroll it doesn’t come across as being unaware or innocent but instead that you just don’t give a damn. As a great well known sports writer said on NFL network yesterday buyer beware if you wanna hire oc McDaniel who ended up with a job back in cheatbourough after several failures between jobs as the sac holder for Brady. The least you could do as a busted cheater like belicheat is win after being caught but this guy apparently after learning from the best learned nothing at all as he got caught and still lost ask the 49ers during our regular season game in London. I’m just glad my teams owner Mr. Pat Bowlen doesn’t allow busted cheaters to stay on the payroll thanks for not embarrassing our fans Mr. Bowlen. By the way did anybody see that so called key first down call against the jets in New York in the 4th quarter of a game the great defensive mind of Rex Ryan had called against him in a game that may have saved his job?? WOW worse first down call in the history of football even after a challenge flag was thrown unreal!!!
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    Would that be the same Mr. Bowlen who was caught cheating with salary cap violations?The ones who lost a 3rd round draft pick for circumventing the salary cap when they won the Super Bowl? Those Broncos??

  51. bencoates57 says: Dec 30, 2014 9:40 AM

    The league also knows if it does not impose some kind of sanction here, the tampering rule might as well be thrown out the window.

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    Now there is an excellent idea. Throw the tampering rule out the window. It’s just there for appearances sake as it is. There are all kinds of back channel tampering going on all the time.

  52. The least you could do as a busted cheater like belicheat is win after being caught but this guy apparently after learning from the best learned nothing at all as he got caught and still lost ask the 49ers during our regular season game in London. I’m just glad my teams owner Mr. Pat Bowlen doesn’t allow busted cheaters to stay on the payroll thanks for not embarrassing our fans Mr. Bowlen.

    this is hysterical… do Broncos fans realize no other team other than the Jets, has been caught cheating more than the Broncos in the last 25 years of the league? They cheated the salary cap twice (each year they won SB’s, playing with an illegal roster) and then were the only team in history to be caught and fined for taping other teams practices.

  53. 2015 is going to be an interest year for football. If only because the media are going to have to find new ways to invent headlines with Rex and Idzik gone.

  54. Revis didn’t gain any additional leverage.

    Revis doesn’t NEED to renegotiate anything. He can tell the Pats that he is happy with the contract they gave him and he doesn’t want a new deal.

    If NE doesn’t like the terms of the contract, they shouldn’t have made the offer in the first place.

  55. If Patriots paid a fine to the league and a # 1 pick to the Jets for video taping, then Jets tampering should be at least a #1 pick to Patriots.

  56. … do Broncos fans realize no other team other than the Jets, has been caught cheating more than the Broncos in the last 25 years of the league? They cheated the salary cap twice (each year they won SB’s, playing with an illegal roster) and then were the only team in history to be caught and fined for taping other teams practices.

    I do not know if the Broncos were actually fined when Shanahan’s flunkies were caught taping a (I believe) Chargers practice; I believe it was just an accusation.

    Still, the Broncos did cheat the salary cap to win two SBs, and were fined for that and lost a 3rd round pick or two, and a current employee of Mr. Pat Bowlen, the Broncos best defensive player (Von Miller) is a known PEDs abuser and has been suspended once for that abuse, so Broncos fans should cast stones at no one.

    To be fair, fans of no teams should be casting stones. We can find skeletons in all closets.

  57. I do not know if the Broncos were actually fined when Shanahan’s flunkies were caught taping a (I believe) Chargers practice; I believe it was just an accusation.

    they were fined 50K for taping the 49ers. the only team in the history of the league to be caught and fined for that.

  58. This is like being accused of groping when you simply say a girl looks pretty. Thanks NFL for putting the pampers in tampering.

  59. Probably the rantings of senile old man. After all, why would Revis go back to a dysfunctional org like the Jets? At this point in his career, you would have to think it’s about more than money.

  60. Rules are rules mancave…. you break one and its “cheating” in todays sports world. Doesn’t matter if its taping 6 plays from an unsanctioned location, or winning super bowls by playing with an illegal roster because of salary cap violations…

  61. Johnson is the dumbest owner in sports. He shouldn’t have had a press conference. Serves him right for wanting to hear himself talk.

  62. The Pats cheated with Spygate.
    The Niners cheated with the salary cap under DeBartolo.
    The Cowboys during the 90’s had a bunch of players using drugs and they even had a brothel right near their practice facility.
    Lawrence Taylor was high during games, helping him run around “like a crazed dog”.

    These are all facts. This stuff has been going on forever.

  63. Yay! Another opportunity for the NFL to show was a massive band of hypocrites they truly are.

    Yes, let’s draw and quarter an owner who makes an off the cuff comment about a player he wishes he had.

    But let’s NOT do anything about the massive amount of tampering that goes on before free agency opens, when agents and teams somehow manage to have massive and complicated contracts fully negotiated and ready to sign literally within minutes of the signing period starting.

  64. Considering the clownshoe organization the Jets are, maybe it’s a good thing if the NFL takes their first round pick away. They are just going to waste it and draft a bust as usual anyways.

  65. If it wasn’t cheating why did Goodell destroy all the evidence..the fines and penalty imposed were to save face… Just like suspending Ray rice after the video was released publically. The fact is that Hoodell is in Krafts back pocket and sanctions will be levied against the Jets.. But then again this is a league who fines more for uniform violations than head shots

  66. Maybe I am stubborn, but if I was Revis I would never go back to the team that traded me after I blew out my knee because they thought I was never going to be the same player. That would be one stop in free agency that I definitely skipped.

  67. This is not tampering, It was answering a question on a player that the Jets let go, It may have been a lie, But it had more to do with explaining why they did not bring him back than saying they want him back. Sure the idiots on this site will cry and demand blood because they hate the Jets. But you know that nothing will come from this. Now cry all you want and thumb this comment down Patriot fanboys.

  68. billsfan1
    If it wasn’t cheating why did Goodell destroy all the evidence..the fines and penalty imposed were to save face…

    no ones saying it wasn’t cheating…. EVERYTHING is cheating now. and he destroyed the evidence because there were other teams on the tapes doing the same thing and he didn’t want to open an even bigger can of worms than he already had. he needed to look like he was in charge, which is why the penalty was so ridiculously excessive.

  69. Well said, Mr. Florio. Woody’s actions have two potential damages to the Patriots. It may may lead to Revis (1) not signing with the Patriots or costing the Patriots more to resign him because it impacts his perception of his market value. If I was the Commissioner there would be a tiered fine based on the actual damage to the Patriots that will not be known until the end of March. If Revis resigns with the Pats I would have the Jets send the Pats a 6th or 7th round choice. If Revis does not sign with the Pats (nor the Jets) I would send them the Jets 4th or 5th round choice, and if the Jets sign Revis I would send the Pats the Jets first and second round choice. This border war between the Pats and Jets has to stop.

  70. “If it wasn’t cheating why did Goodell destroy all the evidence..”

    Because it quite possibly showed several other teams taping the Pats back and Goodell did not want the scandal to spread. Its well known that quite a number of teams engaged in this practice including the Jets and Donks. The Pats took one for the league over spygate.

    And the only game it was actually “cheating” in was the first game of 2007 against the Jets. Before that it was allowed, and it wasn’t until the 2006-2007 off season when the league sent out repeated memos about sideline taping that it became “cheating”.

    The fact is stealing signals in itself is not against the rules, all teams attempt to do so and continue to this day. That’s why coaches hold their playcards over their mouths when their giving instruction over the headsets. And even teams that weren’t taping from the sidelines certainly had a low level assistant coach charting them. The only advantage that taping gave was making it marginally easier to collate that data than from a simple written chart.

  71. orangelooksgoodwithblue says:
    Dec 30, 2014 8:36 AM
    I’m just glad my teams owner Mr. Pat Bowlen doesn’t allow busted cheaters to stay on the payroll thanks for not embarrassing our fans Mr. Bowlen.

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    This is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while! Hey have you heard of this…

    In December 2001, the Broncos were fined $968,000 and lost a third-round pick in the 2002 draft for violations reportedly relating to $29 million in deferred payments to quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis.

    Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose a third-round selection in the 2005 draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996 and ’98.

  72. “Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose a third-round selection in the 2005 draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996 and ’98.”

    In other words, the two key players essential to Denver winning two Super Bowls were paid more than was allowed under the salary cap. Cheating, blatantly, directly leading to two Super Bowl victories.

  73. Woody was just making Patriots spend more money on Revis to keep him.. He does not really care that much if he gets him but by saying this it will make Patriots more desperate to pay Revis therefore Patriots won’t have money to spend on other players Jets want in Free Agency…
    Brilliant move by Jets

  74. Its hysterical that peoples logic would allow them to think Goodell would humiliate the Patriots organization publically the way he did, then suppress evidence of the very thing he was punishing them for.

  75. “SPYGATE”

    I’m not a Patriots fan by any means, but I do respect a team and ownership that always has it’s team in a position to compete.

    That said…I had to look up NE’s regular season record since “Spygate.”

    5 years in a row with a bye week.
    12.5 wins per season 2007-2014.

    I guess there are fans out there that hate success, but you can’t argue…NE seems to do it every year.

    I wouldn’t mind my team having a chance like that!

  76. And the only game it was actually “cheating” in was the first game of 2007 against the Jets. Before that it was allowed, and it wasn’t until the 2006-2007 off season when the league sent out repeated memos about sideline taping that it became “cheating”.

    — Then how did Mangini know it was going on from previous experience?

    RIIIGHT… Just like Arod and Bonds took steroids just that one time. (And this is coming from a Yankees fan)

  77. dan, you’re missing the point. It wasn’t “cheating” prior to 2007 because the rule wasn’t being enforced. The Pats were punished for taping 6 plays in the first game of 2007. If you want to include the years previous in your “cheating” claim, youd have to include the other teams doing the same thing… like the Jets in the 2006 playoffs in Foxboro.

  78. “Give the Pats the Jets first-round pick if they cannot renegotiate Revis’s contract and have to let him go.”

    I fully expect that this will happen. And when it does, I look for NE to take a stud Offensive Lineman.

  79. If digging up weak sauce salary cap crap helps u feel better about your tainted proven history of cheating by paying the biggest fine in NFL history, so be it. But we all know as NFL fans when the term “spygate” is mentioned there’s only one fan base that gets but hurt!!! While the rest of us know exactly who those cheaters are and where they dwell. This must be the Brady bunch page as you can tell with all the negative feedback those who type the truth are getting. Also for most idiots unaware we got caught cheating by the infamous Josh Mcdaniels better known as Josh Mcdummy in these parts of Bronco country was unfortunately our head coach at the time. But if you look closer you will notice he’s on Belicheats payroll that’s cause we fired his ignorant butt cause at least when Belicheats does it he makes sure he wins the game. It’s funny how many butts still hurt in cheatbourough that word or phase created by the media still burns like a permanent scar deal with it get psychiatric help if needed cause the truth hurts that’s why it burns so deep

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