Tom Brady: What Patriots did early in my career was amazing

AP

The Patriots won the Super Bowl in three of their first four years with Tom Brady as their starting quarterback. But it’s now been a decade since their last championship.

Reflecting on that, Brady says he wishes he had realized at the time just how spectacular that run early in his career was.

“I think when you’re young, there is no perspective,” Brady said. “Now that I have a little perspective on it, yeah, it’s hard to do. To do what we accomplished in a short period of time was amazing.”

Since that third Super Bowl title, the Patriots have lost the Super Bowl twice, lost the AFC Championship Game three times, lost in the divisional round of the playoffs twice and lost in the wild card round once. That’s an impressive run, too — most teams would love to get to the playoffs that consistently — and Brady said he now appreciates how special it is just to get that far.

“We’ve come up short a few times in some big ones, but we’re lucky to be in those games, too,” he said.

This year the Patriots are favored at least to get to the Super Bowl, and plenty of people are picking them to win it. But as Brady has learned over the last decade, that won’t be easy.

194 responses to “Tom Brady: What Patriots did early in my career was amazing

  1. Cue all the, “They’re always so much better than my time that they MUST have cheated!” (Unless they didn’t)

    Epiphany- You’re team tried, they just weren’t as good at it – shocker.

  2. Patriots haters – Happy New Year. One favor – before you start taking cheap shots at us and our team (which amuse us) would you do one thing – identify the team you root for.

  3. I think it’s all on the O line now. If they have a steady day they can beat any team.

    If they have one of their bad days, they could lose in their first game.

    The health of Volmer and Connolly are critical.

  4. The uncut vision of the interview:

    Brady: we have come up short a few times. Lost 2 superbowls on 2 fluke plays by players who are nobodies. overall we have had great runs

  5. Boston has been blessed to have watch some all time greats in all sports

    Brady, Russell, Williams and Bobby Orr

    I hope people really appreciate what they are seeing now because Brady is a once in a franchises lifetime player

  6. Making the playoffs in that division is not really a great accomplishment. And do you think it’s a coincidence that since they got caught cheating they haven’t won anything. Sorry, but all 3 of those titles have an asterisk next to them in the minds of real fans of the game. As much as krafts friends in the media tried to downplay what they did, it’s still the most blatant act of cheating and just plain poor gamesmanship in the history of the league.

  7. Amazing is a great word to describe. And I don’t think he’s done yet…

  8. Cue the moronic comments from people who don’t even understand what “spygate” actually was.

  9. Tom has been a class act through the years and has earned his trips to the big games.

  10. Its amazing what this team has done in that time frame…..its impossible to win it all every year but just knowing we have a legit shot at it with BB and Brady there . I have no complaints!!!!

  11. As a long standing Pats fan, I appreciate the deep runs more than most. Remember the bad times as well. Kenneth Sims, Irving Fryar, Drew Bledsoe – all #1 overall picks.

  12. It can’t be as good as what the PACKERS did for Rogers! Rogers is the man

    Rogers > Brady

    We are such an overall better team too.

    We will win the Super Bowl, and your team will be empty. Again.

    Go Pack Go!

  13. We all know the difference between the patriots now and the patriots then. Better defense earlier but they were so good its almost like the patriots knew the other teams playcalls….oh nevermind they did by cheating. Pats fans I’m sure you guys remember. That’s how the patriots got three ***.

  14. Yeah it was amazing that Belichick didn’t get a lifetime banishment from the game and was only fined and lost a draft pick while Payton from the Saints got blackballed for a year for that retarded bounty scandal.

  15. SpyGate. nuff’ said. Those titles have asterisks next to them for every other NFL fanbase except the Patriots. Their titles are and always will be tainted.

    Since then – they are just like the 1990’s Buffalo Bills or 1970’s Minnesota Vikings. Decent teams that simply could not get it done on the big stage of the Super Bowl.

  16. 1historian says:

    Patriots haters – Happy New Year. One favor – before you start taking cheap shots at us and our team
    ========================================

    You can call it a “cheap shot”, but the coach was fined $500,000. One of the largest fines in NFL history. No amount of thumbs downs can change that fact.

  17. Should have just talked to Marino for some perspective. Thought he’d go back to the bowl after losing the first one to Joe cool, alas ends up ring-less. Poor Dan, him and Barry Sanders are 2 guys I sure wish won a super bowl, even though their careers were amazing without one.

  18. lgw91s says:
    Jan 1, 2015 8:08 AM
    As a long standing Pats fan, I appreciate the deep runs more than most. Remember the bad times as well. Kenneth Sims, Irving Fryar, Drew Bledsoe – all #1 overall picks.

    What was wrong with Drew Bledsoe?

    The Patriots relevance as a franchise essentially started with Bob Kraft, Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe was a very good NFL QB, and a career class act.

  19. Spying, stick em, steroids = all cheating. Show me a team that didn’t cheat and I will let you kiss our THREE rings.

  20. One thing people fail to mention… Patriots NEVER dominated a Super Bowl… Field Goal wins… And yes no titles since losing a 1st rd pick and 500k fine, fairly certain they still had SFs #1 that year also..Given Belichick that much, trading mastermind like Madden video game stuff… Also no Vinaterri! The clutch game winning piece. Not Tom “tuck rule” Brady. Given that one as well. No doubt he has talent and he is far above average for a 6th rd unknown. Still contend that, that 11-5 non playoff season by Cassel shows its the coach not the player. Also while he does own Peyton, sure cannot say the same about Eli…Does not hurt being in a division with likes of irrelevant Jets, Bills, and a Dolphins team with no hope since Marino in the 90s.

  21. “Patriots have lost the Super Bowl twice, lost the AFC Championship Game three times, lost in the divisional round of the playoffs twice and lost in the wild card round once.”
    For such sustained futility
    York would have fired BB,
    traded Brady for a draft pick .

  22. So many jerk players who can’t control themselves on or off the field and then there is Tom. Way above most and certainly those types. I’m hoping Tom gets to walk off the field one more with Sherman.

  23. Drew Bledsoe was one of the best quarterbacks in the league when he played in New England. He was tough, Jim Kelly tough.

  24. Would have been a more interesting landscape if the NFL never went to 8 divisions also.

    Manning vs Brady twice a year competing for the same AFC least crown year after year.

    While Pats probably still have upper hand in those head to heads, Manning would have beat up those other 3 teams just as much if not more than Pats.

  25. If the Patriots lose, I will most certainly give props to the team that wins and take it on the chin and look forward to next year…something the cowardly trolls would never do.

  26. This cheating talk is really old – coach after coach has confirmed that every team – even today, films signal calling during the game – going back to the 1950s.

    Until a memo issued in 2006 you could do that from the sideline. Belichick did that in the first game of 2007. It’s weird that so many jealous fans have such warped minds they can’t comprehend that even TODAY all coordinators STILL cover their mouths when calling in plays.

    Get some professional help folks. It’s embarrassing how jealous you are of the Pats.

  27. say what you want, haters- I’d take Belichick, Brady, and spy cameras all over the place in Washington ANY DAY & be thrilled to have ’em!

  28. nolasoxfan2012 says:

    Jan 1, 2015 8:00 AM

    Cue the moronic comments from people who don’t even understand what “spygate” actually was.

    ___________________________

    Don’t you know, Belichick developed a mind reading device that he secretly attached to the helmet of each opposing player in the league. Then he recorded all of their thoughts in case he played against them in the Super Bowl…

  29. Glad to see the haters are still in force in 2015. You spygate people all suck so bad, you’re probably Tampa Bucs fans. #cantgetoverspygate

  30. SpyGate. nuff’ said. Those titles have asterisks next to them for every other NFL fanbase except the Patriots. Their titles are and always will be tainted.

    Tell me something, where do you see any asterisks where it actually makes a difference? I don’t see any in any of the NFL’s records.

  31. I would actually consider an argument from a hater if they would state the team they follow. Other wise their opinion means less than dirt. Have some guys haters, or shut the heck up. GO PATS!!

  32. Years ago the Pats were my underdog team. Then they had a good run and I was happy for them. Then they started choking but that was OK too. THEN the arrogant little amnesiacs that were either too young or ignorant of the early days came. Even my friend from the East coast wonders where the class went.

  33. Spygate was years after those 3 championships, idiots.

    Post spygate they fielded what was the Tyree catch away from being the greatest team in the history of the NFL.

    Yeah, they’re really struggling.

  34. Do the haters realize how dumb they sound? The patriots got in trouble in 2007 for a 2006 rule change. For all the moronic hicks out there, 2006 is 2 years after the pats had already won 3 rings. Those wins were legit, check your facts and get over it. My advice is to soak it all in so some day you can tell your grandkids that you were around to see Brady and Belichick beat your team. Relentlessly. For two decades.

  35. Patriots fans should be pissed at Goodell for destroying the tapes. What most likely would have happened is a real judiciary branch would have called for the evidence just like the Ray Rice case and appropriate punishment would have been given (you know strip the wins and titles). However, there is a chance albeit small that it could have gone the other way. I can’t stand the Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers, amd Packers but I respect the hell out of their winning traditions. Patriots will never rise to iconic status because the rest of the sports world knows what really happened.

  36. lgw91s says:
    Jan 1, 2015 8:08 AM
    As a long standing Pats fan, I appreciate the deep runs more than most. Remember the bad times as well. Kenneth Sims, Irving Fryar, Drew Bledsoe – all #1 overall picks.

    What was wrong with Drew Bledsoe?

    The Patriots relevance as a franchise essentially started with Bob Kraft, Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe was a very good NFL QB, and a career class act
    ———————————
    Think you missed the point. Having the first overall pick is a reflection of your previous year onfield accomplishments. Not questioning the skill levels, just illustrating there were a lot of lean years before this successful run.

  37. Patsy fans can scream “haters”, what ever that means, and claim jealousy to make themselves feel better. Its called projection. Here are a few undisputable facts.

    1. They won 3 bowls in four years.
    2. During this time they were cheating to gain an unfair advantage.
    3. They got caught and punished by the league.
    4. No super bowl victory since.

    End of story.

  38. Even their epic fails was the stuff of literature. That 18-0 start to the 2007 season? Good Lord. What team dared to go 19-0. Most teams get scared and deprive the NFL public of the kind of game the Patriots and Giants put on. The Colts started 14-0 and then rested Manning and some other starters, lost to the Jets (allowing the Jets to make the playoffs and pad Rex Ryan’s CV) and then the Colts lost the SB. The Broncos started 14-0 one year and tanked one. That 18-0 was in your face arrogance and testicular fortitude and an up yours for Spygate — any real NFL fan ought to appreciate that. At no time did the NFL look more like a daytime soap for men than that 2007 season.

    The year before also stood out. The Pats went 9-0 on the road that year before the AFCCG against the Colts and nearly defeated the eventual SB champs in their own house. That defeat of 14-2 San Diego (remember the tantrum Ladainlian Thomlinson threw after THAT loss and the firing of Marty Schottenheimer) — classic! But that Patriots season also ended in a last second loss. So the Patriots know how to entertain.

    2008 was also interesting. The Patriots without Brady. They went 11-5 and missed the playoffs but finished so strong (with 3 convincing wins in SNOW, then MONSOON, and then WINDSTORM in Buffalo), including a 47-7 beatdown of eventual SB contender Arizona, that I think people were disappointed they lost the tiebreaker to Miami. Both teams finished 11-5, but the Pats blew out Miami in their most recent contest IN MIAMI (48-28) and Miami laid an egg against the Ravens.

    But now the Pats have the best defense since 2004. So we’ll see what they can do in the playoffs.

  39. 31 other teams were breathing a giant sigh of relief when the Pats were caught filming. Everyone was guilty, but only one team was outed by the miserable Jets. Certainly knowledge is power. In the instance of the Patriots, it is great preparation and study that they have institutionalized in their organization. You still have to win in the NFL. No victory is handed to you.

  40. terrier92 says:
    Jan 1, 2015 7:55 AM
    Boston has been blessed to have watch some all time greats in all sports

    Brady, Russell, Williams and Bobby Orr

    I hope people really appreciate what they are seeing now because Brady is a once in a franchises lifetime player

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    Ouch, you left Larry Bird out!

  41. “1. They won 3 bowls in four years.
    2. During this time they were cheating to gain an unfair advantage.
    3. They got caught and punished by the league.
    4. No super bowl victory since.

    ——————-

    [Buzzer] Thanks for playing. But the reason why fans of rival teams make a big stink out of this and columnists and league professionals do not has to do with a major flaw in your reasoning. A confound really. The Pats also turned over their aging defense. They were so old during their 2007 run (and already minus shut down CB Ty Law and post-stroke Bruschi was never quite the same) that a Colts player commented on the sideline, “We got this one. They’re SLOW.” (They were up 20-10 at the time and the Pats staged a 4th quarter comeback to win 24-20).

    But THAT’S why they haven’t won since. Bill has been unable to recruit the right mix of talent on defense. How do you replace Mike Vrabel, Ty Law, Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Jarvis Green (who always came up with that timely sack of Peyton Manning), Rodney Harrison, Roman Pfifer, Terrell Buckley, etc. They did manage to replace a Ted Washington type with Vince Wilfork and Darrelle Revis is finally that shutdown CB we haven’t had since Ty Law (though even HE won’t pick off Peyton Manning 4 times in a game).

    So there. Feel stupid now?

  42. I’m no Pats fan, but I think a simple question can be asked: would you want Brady as QB on your team? I think with very few exceptions the answer is obvious .

  43. If you hate Brady now, just wait till he retires and not only will you see him every week, but hear him too as a commentator. They’ll dump Phil Simms and he’ll be right there with Jim Nantz (finger in throat trying to vomit).

    They’ll probably teach him about golf too, and he’ll be down at Augusta along with that equally nauseating elitist Jim Nantz doing the Masters.

    There’s nothing quite as sickening as a Jim Nantz, Tom Brady combo. LOL!

  44. When the Patriots were 2-2, the trolls were orgasmic. Now that the Patriots are 12-4 with a first round bye, the trolls are back in their usual position: spent, silly and stupid.

  45. I think I can speak on behalf of giants nation when I say we’re all rooting for you whenever we’re not in it. Each one you win makes ours shine brighter. Kind of like the shankara stones in Temple of Doom.

  46. “Patriots will never rise to iconic status because the rest of the sports world knows what really happened.”

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    You’re just living in the age before parity. The Pats dynasty will never look like the 70s Steelers or 80s 49ers or 90s Cowboys because the Pats did not buy their titles. They managed to extend their winning through an intelligence you’ll never see in this league again most likely. You won’t see another 3 in 4 years until they reverse parity.

  47. “Patriots will never rise to iconic status because the rest of the sports world knows what really happened.”

    ————————

    You’re just living in the age before parity. The Pats dynasty will never look like the 70s Steelers or 80s 49ers or 90s Cowboys because the Pats did not buy their titles. They managed to extend their winning through an intelligence you’ll never see in this league again most likely. You won’t see another 3 in 4 years until they reverse parity.

  48. unionjack1776 says:
    Jan 1, 2015 8:19 AM
    Yeah it was amazing that Belichick didn’t get a lifetime banishment from the game and was only fined and lost a draft pick while Payton from the Saints got blackballed for a year for that retarded bounty scandal.

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    What does Union Jack 1776 mean exactly????

  49. Rogers is good but Brady is better. I like the Pats and I’m anEagles fan number one.

  50. The spygate thing is sooo overrated….every team did exactly the same thing but the Pats were outed and had to be punished so the league could save face. In addition two unbelievable catches prevented two additional wins which would have shut up the jealous fans from pathetic teams and organizations. When you look at class acts in the league guys like Brady and Rodgers and Peyton lead the way. I liken it to the old Packer teams, everyone knew what they were going to run and they couldn’t stop them…it’s called execution. The Pats have a nice blueprint for success and have been consistently successful in the age of salary caps….and incredible achievement.

  51. I just love how everyone seems to forget that they haven’t won a SB since 2004, not ‘since Spygate’, and that the Patriots caught the Jets filming their signals during the 2006 PLAYOFF game. They just told the cameraman to leave.

  52. 1historian says:
    Jan 1, 2015 7:24 AM

    Patriots haters – Happy New Year. One favor – before you start taking cheap shots at us and our team (which amuse us) would you do one thing – identify the team you root for.

    ———————————————————-

    Sure thing, my favorite team is the Packers. The team that beat your Pats in Super Bowl XXXII, has more Super Bowls than the Pats, and beat your Pats heads up earlier this year.

  53. Jan 1, 2015 9:22 AM

    Patsy fans can scream “haters”, what ever that means, and claim jealousy to make themselves feel better. Its called projection. Here are a few undisputable facts.

    1. They won 3 bowls in four years.
    2. During this time they were cheating to gain an unfair advantage.
    3. They got caught and punished by the league.
    4. No super bowl victory since.

    End of story.
    ——————————————————–
    Wrong,

    The 3 superbowls were won when it wasn’t illegal to tape. All teams were doing it.

    The year they “got caught” it was the first half of the first game. That season they went on to win all 16 GAMES.

    They camera used in taping the 1st half of that game was taken by security before halftime, they never even got to view it.

    Wallow in envy, dear haters…

  54. I can’t stand the Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers, amd Packers but I respect the hell out of their winning traditions. Patriots will never rise to iconic status because the rest of the sports world knows what really happened.


    And this comment pretty much sums up the ignorence of the haters.

    You include the 49ers and steelers.

    Well let’s see, the 49ers lost a first or second round draft pick and were fined almost a million dollars for “cheating” the salary cap in the 90’s to keep players on there team to win a championship they otherwise would not have have been able to afford.

    The steelers of the 70 were well known for there steroid use.

    But you “respect the hell out of there winnig traditions”

    Whatever!

  55. Um, no spygate was not after they won championships. It was happening all throughout. It just wasn’t exposed until after. And to the guy who said it was one game you are a moron. They were doing it for years. You can try to justify it any way you want. But they cheated, and those titles were stolen not earned.

  56. What Denver did in circumventing the salary cap during their Super Bowl years by deferring payments to John Elway and Terrell Davis was far more egregious than stealing signals, a time-honored piece of sports mischief.

    From putting a guy in the scoreboard (baseball) with binoculars in the 20s to hiring lip readers in the 80s, it has gone on since sports began…and still does.

    Cheating on the salary cap undermines the integrity of the league. Far more serious.

  57. thepackerpoet says:
    Jan 1, 2015 8:10 AM

    It can’t be as good as what the PACKERS did for Rogers! Rogers is the man

    Rogers > Brady

    We are such an overall better team too.

    We will win the Super Bowl, and your team will be empty. Again.

    Go Pack Go

    I would,nt be so sure on that..you have to get through seahawks in seattle first which is doubtful..I would love to see a pats-green bay SB but anything can happen in the playoffs

  58. The no rings since spygate is the silliest thing ever for the following reasons:

    They have had more wins since the start of the 2007 season then they have had any other time. This is now their 5th playoff bye in a row.

    They could have won or lost any of the Super Bowls…. They were all close games.

    In 2001 they had to get the tuck rule call in the divisional round and make some crazy special teams plays in the championship game just to get to the Super Bowl. Those same kinds of plays went against them in 2007 and 2011. Giants recovered their own fumbles, helmet catch, missed INTs. The game is just hard… It doesn’t always go your way.

    With the resurgence of the NFC, only 2 AFC teams have won the Super Bowl since the start of the 2007 season; the Steelers and Baltimore. Lots of teams haven’t won the Super Bowl since spygate. 14 just in the AFC including Indy and Denver with Peyton Manning.

    The Patriots haven’t won, and spygate happened in 2007… But the two things are not correlated at all, and the only reason make that point is out of jealousy of the success of the Patriots, or because you actually believe it which is probably the stupidest thing ever.

  59. Team that plays the best, wins. Not the best team.
    Always inches. A call here, a play there.
    Tyree catch. Welker’s drop, Assante’s int drop.
    Vinatieri x 4?
    Change these, Pats are 5-0, or 0-5.
    Add a couple?
    7-0. This close, that far away.
    Stuff happens. Anyone in it can win it. Giants proved that, twice. Simple truth. That is why this great game dominates.

    Keep your cool, don’t make the big mistake, play tough, win.
    Every game scares me at this level, really.
    So much is in the men’s heads, hearts.
    I can’t wait for it to start.
    I am ready for some football.

  60. handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Jan 1, 2015 10:00 AM
    Um, no spygate was not after they won championships. It was happening all throughout. It just wasn’t exposed until after. And to the guy who said it was one game you are a moron. They were doing it for years. You can try to justify it any way you want. But they cheated, and those titles were stolen not earned.

    —————–

    Let’s establish a few things.

    They weren’t hiding what they were doing. They were standing across the field with a camera.

    It only became an issue in 2007. The other teams obviously knew they were doing it before that… no one did anything about it. It wasn’t seen as illegal until 2007, after the Goodell warning memo to all teams.

    At that time it was certainly cheating, and it’s arguable what impact it would have given they could still legally record signals from other stadium locations anyway.

    Their success since… Winning percentage, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 4 AFC championship appearances, 5 playoff byes in a row, etc. is now all suddenly considered post spygate. If the tapes contributed so much to 3 very close Super Bowl wins, how can you explain all their success since, and their return to the Super Bowl only to lose by very close scores… Both games where they actually needed defensive stops and they would have won, which has nothing to do with defensive signals.

    Do you think they are stealing the defensive radio signal now?

    Believe what you want but that argument has no logic at all.

  61. Before Brady came to New England they had never won a Super Bowl. The most amazing thing about Brady is that he’s been able to do it without the Hall Of Fame receivers. He won three Super Bowls with below average WRs. The first year he got to throw to Randy Moss the Patriots went 16-0 and shattered NFL passing records. And that was when Moss was way on the downside of his career. What Moss could have done with a great QB for his entire career is another story. If Brady had a elite WR his entire career, he might have five or six Super Bowls. He’s the second best QB of all time to Joe Montana. If it weren’t for Roger Craig’s fumble and some bad calls, Joe could have 6 or 7 Super Bowl wins. Tom and Joe are heads and shoulders above the rest.

  62. We all know the difference between the patriots now and the patriots then. Better defense earlier but they were so good its almost like the patriots knew the other teams playcalls.

    Great point chippy, since they were caught filming DEFENSIVE signals from they wrong spot. SMH.

  63. handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Jan 1, 2015 7:57 AM
    Making the playoffs in that division is not really a great accomplishment. And do you think it’s a coincidence that since they got caught cheating they haven’t won anything. Sorry, but all 3 of those titles have an asterisk next to them in the minds of real fans of the game. As much as krafts friends in the media tried to downplay what they did, it’s still the most blatant act of cheating and just plain poor gamesmanship in the history of the league.

    ——-

    There is no asterisk and there never will be! Real fans of the game also know that the record book so what matters, not what is in your so called mind. Keep on hat in’ in your tinfoil hat… it won’t change a thing!!!

    by the way, the Patriots have the best record in the league against teams outside their division in the AFC and against the NFC since 2007. You’re wrong there too!!!

  64. Why do all the coaches of all your loser franchises hold up the play sheet to hide what they are saying?- must be spying going on by your team.

  65. gysot says:

    Patsy fans can scream “haters”, what ever that means, and claim jealousy to make themselves feel better. Its called projection. Here are a few undisputable facts.

    1. They won 3 bowls in four years.
    2. During this time they were cheating to gain an unfair advantage.
    3. They got caught and punished by the league.
    4. No super bowl victory since.

    End of story.
    ———————————————————-

    This is your typical “hater” post, right here, and it ignores two basic facts:

    First, those 3 Super Bowls WEREN’T “tainted”, because during those years the thing that New England was punished for in 2007 were LEGAL!!!

    How can you be accused of cheating, when it was ALLOWED in those years???????

    Second, the “haven’t won a thing since Spygate” drivel:

    Since Spygate, the Patriots have been to TWO Super Bowls, a couple more AFC Championship games, and a couple of first round playoff games…… please explain to me how their apparent lack of being able to cheat has prevented them from winning another Super Bowl, yet they’re always good enough to either get there, or get to an AFC Championship game???

    What, their “not cheating” talent is good enough to get them there, but not WIN????

    You think they really need that little extra “push” from cheating, to win one more game every year?????

    It’s so much easier to believe in fairy tales, than to believe your team just isn’t as good as New England, year after year.

  66. thepackerpoet says:
    Jan 1, 2015 8:10 AM
    It can’t be as good as what the PACKERS did for Rogers! Rogers is the man

    Rogers > Brady

    We are such an overall better team too.

    We will win the Super Bowl, and your team will be empty. Again.

    Go Pack Go!

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    Quit trolling with this crap. You don’t even know how to spell Rodgers. You are giving all of us real Packers fans a bad name by copying other idiotic trollers on PFT, logicalvoice, pftpoet, etc. Maybe you are all the same person. Brady is an all-time great, spygate or not.

  67. I love all the “expert theories of cheating” by the Pats as to the prime reason for their 14 year winning history. Is that it? That’s all you got?

    Then simply admit the Pat’s management, coaching and team is simply on a consistantly higher level than most of the 32 NFL teams because you have NOTHING !

  68. You would like to think Spygate wasn’t a big deal but considering they haven’t won since and how the tapes were so quickly destroyed makes you wonder.

  69. Pats fans are in denial. Spygate wasn’t just about a few games here and there. And what they were doing was not legal. They were found to have obtained not only game fillmore but practice film too and they were stealing teams cadence tendencies as well as their audible vocabulary. They used this information to cheat their opponents. Deny it all you want, facts are facts and those 3 rings don’t mean anything to anyone besides the cheaters that stole them and the ignorant fan base that refused to accept reality.

    By the way, no Pittsburgh fan will EVER, EVER be jealous of another organization. EVER.

    Since the NFL merger in 1970, the Pittsburgh Steelers have compiled a regular season record of 363–235–2 (.607) and an overall record of 394–253–2 (.609) including the playoffs, reached the playoffs 25 times, won their division 21 times, played in 15 AFC championship games, and won six of eight Super Bowls.

  70. Brady is a good QB but not near the level of Joe Cool or Dan the Man. Both had incredible footwork and could avoid the rush from any direction and throw on target. Brady does ok if the rush is from the outside cause he can step up in the pocket but the rush up from the middle he is just awful. His stats are really bad when outside the pocket. If either one was on the same teams as Brady I would say they would have 7-10 Sb victories. I would also say Marino would have another 25k yards and another 150 td’s. Remember he played before the rule changes. Yes I am a Dolphins fan since 1970.

  71. Brady is a good QB but not near the level of Joe Cool or Dan the Man. Both had incredible footwork and could avoid the rush from any direction and throw on target. Brady does ok if the rush is from the outside cause he can step up in the pocket but the rush up from the middle he is just awful. His stats are really bad when outside the pocket. If either one was on the same teams as Brady I would say they would have 7-10 Sb victories. I would also say Marino would have another 25k yards and another 150 td’s. Remember he played before the rule changes. Yes I am a Dolphins fan since 1970.

  72. Hmmmm, yeah the cheating did help a lot. Try do it without cheating. Yeah its hard.
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    Perhaps you missed the part where they made 3 AFC Championships, and 2 Superbowls post “cheating”. Thats probably 5 more Championship and Superbowl appearances than your team non-cheating.

    But I agree with you. Spygate definitely had a part in Vinatieri’s kicks and McNabb throwing up on the field at the worst moment. The Pats spying system definitely let them know that Andy Reid wouldn’t act with any urgency with 5 minutes left down by 10 in the Superbowl, if it got to that point. Because he did the same thing in other games and the Pats were filming it. Thank god for that.

  73. Cosmicconvoy says: “And roids had a great run in baseball.”

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    This is seriously the best comment on here. Props to you.

  74. Brady has to know that reflecting on the Pats’ early success is just going to reopen the Spygate discussion.

  75. lgw91s says:
    Jan 1, 2015 8:08 AM
    As a long standing Pats fan, I appreciate the deep runs more than most. Remember the bad times as well. Kenneth Sims, Irving Fryar, Drew Bledsoe – all #1 overall picks.
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    I remember the bad times as well, however, Bledsoe wouldn’t be included in the bad times.
    I think that Drew was an excellent QB, and a stand-up gentleman.
    Also…it is impossible for me to talk about past QBs without giving a shout-out to my favorite….GROGAN!!!!

  76. The Packers are the most successful team.
    Steelers have 6 Super Bowls, but the Pack have 13 Championships.

  77. Does anyone remember when Denver was fined draft picks for cheating the salary cap during their back to back Superbowl run?

    Pepridge Farms remembers.

  78. The NY Giants beating the Patriots in two Super Bowls was AMAZING! Patriots choked both times.

  79. You know how many Super Bowls you’ve won since the commissioner fined Belichick $500,000 dollars, stripped the Patriots of draft picks, and took Bill’s video tapes and burned them, Tom?

    Zero. I find that to be the ‘amazing’ part, Tom.

  80. handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Jan 1, 2015 11:36 AM

    Pats fans are in denial. Spygate wasn’t just about a few games here and there. And what they were doing was not legal. They were found to have obtained not only game fillmore but practice film too and they were stealing teams cadence tendencies as well as their audible vocabulary. They used this information to cheat their opponents. Deny it all you want, facts are facts and those 3 rings don’t mean anything to anyone besides the cheaters that stole them and the ignorant fan base that refused to accept reality.

    By the way, no Pittsburgh fan will EVER, EVER be jealous of another organization. EVER.
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    You do realize that the league has NEVER accused or punished the New England Patriots for taping a SINGLE practice, right??????

    You realize that this accusation was the result of a fat, donut-eating writer for a hack newspaper, who was forced to admit that he made the whole thing up, right????

    You people are pinning this video-taping to a LIE, but hey, don’t let THAT interfere with your hating 😉

  81. I hope everyone realizes that thepackerpoet is just the displaced thepftpoet from Minnesota Vikings land. His team is done for the year so he has nothing better to do than troll the day away. I feel sorry for his dysfunctional life.

  82. Yep, the Patriots used plenty of film.

    It’s called Game Tape and the All-22.

    Every team has access to it, but no one breaks it all down, studies it harder and makes the best use out of it than the Pats.

  83. By the way, handsofsteelhartofstone, do us all a favor and tell us the Steeler’s record against the Patriots in the Roethlisburger/Brady error, regular and post-season …… please.

  84. If I live to be 100 I will never understand the haters and how they seem to live to tear others down in the delusion that it lifts them up.

  85. Regarding Patriots articles about how they won the SB’s in the past, I’ve seen a change over the past year or so on the thumbs ups and thumbs down.

    They used to be mostly thumbs up when people wrote about the Pats cheating. Now it seems there are double thumbs down to thumbs up.

    My only assumption is the Patriots are gaming the system, and have some computer program that gives all of the cheating comments thumbs down.

  86. I’ll do you the favor of pointing out just how badly your idols suck against Tom Brady.

    Since Roethlisberger has been in the league, Brady-led Patriots teams have beaten the Steelers 5 out of 7 times, including their only playoff meeting.

    Roethlisberger has lost to Brady FIVE out of seven times.

    Chew on that a while, then tell us again how much better your Steelers are 😉

  87. “The NY Giants beating the Patriots in two Super Bowls was AMAZING! Patriots choked both times.”

    Painful losses for me as a fan, but no.
    Pats did not choke there.
    These were great victories. Giants stepped up, came to play, and we all saw two of the greatest wins in the history of this great game.

    This is what makes the NFL great.

    Any given Sunday is not just a tired cliche.
    It is real.

    All in their hands, to a man. that is why in the end, they are defined by it.
    Winner, Loser. It is all of it, what you got?

    I love this game.

  88. Gentlemen, the past is prologue. With the regular season over, and four teams to be eliminated from the playoffs this week, hundreds of NFL players are wishing that they can play for Belichick and the Patriots next season and are bugging their agents to make it happen. Yes, there will be one or two (like Spikes and Talib last year) that will be deluded into thinking more playing time or more money elsewhere will make leaving New England a good move (it almost never is). Bill will again field a team to start the season that Vegas will say is one of the top four favorites to win the 50th Super Bowl in San Francisco. First, the Patriots are two homefield victories away from playing in the Super Bowl in Glendale, AZ just a month from now. Happy New Year.

  89. azarkhan says:
    Jan 1, 2015 10:04 AM

    New England Patriots, the gold standard of the NFL.
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    Only if the meaning of “gold standard” has changed to mean have not won a championship in over a decade.

  90. The Pats have been a great team but Brady gets too much of the credit. Like his playoff record, he’s played like crap in many playoff games, but the rest of the team bailed him out.

    The two SB losses to the Giants (remember him laughing when Plax said the Pats would “only” score 17?), the two games against the Chargers where he threw 6 INTs, the horrible game against the Ravens at home in 2009, getting beat by the Jets (again at home) in 2010 weeks after they had destroyed the Jets, the 2006 AFC Title game where the Pats blew an 18 point lead and of course the 2011 SB loss, where the Pats had a chance to make up for the biggest defeat in their franchise history against a 9-7 Giants team….only to lose again, with Brady’s safety making the game 4 points instead of 3.

    The Pats also went 11-5 not just without him, but starting a 7th round pick who literally hadn’t started a game since HS.

    For all the talk of him “owning” Manning, Manning is 2-2 VS the Pats in the playoffs and 2-1 VS the Pats in AFC Title games.

    If you look, most games between the two have been played in NE. In the playoffs both teams have had 2 home and 2 on the road, with the home team winning each time.

    And for all the talk of Brady “doing more with less” I call a huuuuuge BS. He’s had one coach, one of the greatest of all time, for his entire career. He’s also had some great defenses and the Pats were most successful when they were a defensive oriented grind it out team.

    He’s a great QB, just like Joe Montana was a great QB, but you put him or Montana on the Jaguars or the Buccaneers or some other terrible franchise and see how many championships they would have won. The 49ers kept on rolling after Montana left and the Patriots will once Brady leaves, as long as BB is there.

  91. “Gentlemen, the past is prologue. With the regular season over, and four teams to be eliminated from the playoffs this week, hundreds of NFL players are wishing that they can play for Belichick and the Patriots next season and are bugging their agents to make it happen. Yes, there will be one or two (like Spikes and Talib last year) that will be deluded into thinking more playing time or more money elsewhere will make leaving New England a good move (it almost never is). Bill will again field a team to start the season that Vegas will say is one of the top four favorites to win the 50th Super Bowl in San Francisco. First, the Patriots are two homefield victories away from playing in the Super Bowl in Glendale, AZ just a month from now. Happy New Year.”

    That’s cool that the past is prologue. I’m sure I’m not alone in saying that I wouldn’t mind a repeat of the 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011 or 2012 playoffs for the Pats.

    2006, 2007 and 2009 would be especially great to see again.

    Happy New Year buddy!

  92. Pittsburgh fans:

    Your coach tripped a player while he was running down the sideline.

    The 70’s Steelers were ‘roided out of their minds–like all the other teams at the time.

    Also, the organization sat idly by while its hall-of-fame center lived his last awful years in a truck before dying a horrible death.

    And Ben Roethlisberger, well, let’s just say his past transgressions require a little more room to list than I have here.

    You better go claim moral superiority to someone who doesn’t have access to Google.

    To everyone else:

    Terrell Suggs threatened to pour bleach on a 1 year old child and will play this weekend. Adrian Peterson beat a four year old so badly the child’s genitals bled, and he will play next year. Sean Payton looked the other way while assistant coaches paid players to hurt other players. Countless players have committed suicide after suffering miserable years of brain damage. Never mind the fact that the league makes millions on the backs of guys who will not be able to hold a conversation in their fifties while fat fans call them “soft” for not taking a hit.

    But yeah, filming hand signals 7 years ago, that’s where fans ought to focus their outrage…..

    Folks, anybody looking for morality and sportsmanship needs to look somewhere else. That aint what the NFL’s selling.

  93. Brady deserves all the credit he gets. He left the field w/under 3 mins to go with the lead in both Giant SBowls and the D couldn’t get the job done. Brady only had the ball about 20 mins in both those gms because the D couldn’t get off the field. In the Ram and Carolina SB win, Brady brought them back from deficits or ties in the 4th Qtr. In the Colts AFCC gm, Brady put up huge pts, but the D couldn’t hold a huge halftime lead.

    The only reason there are only 4 playoff gms between Brady in Manning is Manning’s lifetime losing playoff record didn’t allow for more meetings. He couldn’t get far enough. Brady has the most playoff wins in history, by the way.

    In 2008 the Pats went from 17-1 to 11-5 with Cassell and an weak sched. Quite a swing, even for a good team.

    Nobody can deny Brady has had some of the weakest skill players of any elite QB in the passing era. Especially compared to Manning, who played in a dome or good weather his whole Colts career with much better players on offense. The one yr Brady had the horses, 2007, he broke every record in the book. Hate on.

  94. bartmuley, I enjoyed your post. You might think this is disingenuous but I would be fine with the Patriots repeating their performance from 2005 to date. We all love to win the Super Bowl but enjoying the journey is where the real pleasure comes from and being left wanting what ultimately was just out of reach is good for the soul . . . at least that’s what an old girlfriend use to tell me.

  95. Brady is 5-2 against Roethlisberger. Brady didn’t play in 2008.

    The simple fact is Steeler fans can’t get over the Pats dominance over them in the Brady/ Belichick era or the 2 AFCC gms they lost at Hienz while they were making hotel reservations and planning the parade route. When the Pats went on to win the SB both times. In fact, the Steelers have never gone thru the Pats to get to the SBowl. If they get that far this yr(doubtful), it won’t happen either.

  96. Spygate , 18 and 1, Bill belicheat, Brady sits when he pees, cheaters, Brady wears uggs, oh and they used connecticut to get a new stadium, there I think I about covered all of the “insults” I hear from Patriot haters LMAO I love it keep em coming. The day it stops, is the day the patriots have failed has an organization.

    Keep our name in your mouth.
    Pure Jealously. FACT.

    Here are some more cold hard facts haters:

    Most wins in NFL since 2001: Patriots
    Most Division Titles in NFL since 2001: Patriots
    Most Playoff wins since 2001: Patriots
    Most first round byes since 2001: Patriots
    Most playoff wins since 2001: Patriots
    Most conference title game appearances since 2001: Patriots
    Most Super wins AND loses since 2001: Patriots

    Am I supposed to feel bad cause the patriots lose in the afc championship game a lot? It’s like sleeping with beautiful women, and because maybe 2 or 3 that you really liked slip through your fingers, your supposed to feel bad? HA!

    I love the fact my team causes you pain.

    New England Patriots. You haters see the logo and get butt hurt….ten years later. Patriots were once underdogs…and now look at em, so proud.
    Go Patriots!

  97. “Here are some more cold hard facts haters:

    Most wins in NFL since 2001: Patriots
    Most Division Titles in NFL since 2001: Patriots
    Most Playoff wins since 2001: Patriots
    Most first round byes since 2001: Patriots
    Most playoff wins since 2001: Patriots
    Most conference title game appearances since 2001: Patriots
    Most Super wins AND loses since 2001: Patriots”

    Here’s a fact too:

    Zero SB wins since 2004……you know ….despite all those divison titles….playoff wins….first round byes….conference title games…etc.

  98. “The one yr Brady had the horses, 2007, he broke every record in the book. Hate on”

    He also lost the SB by only putting up 14 points “when he had all the horses”.

    What you call “hate” is pointing out facts. BTW all those records? They’ve been broken again.

    Randy Moss made Daunte Culpepper and a fresh out of retirement Randall Cunningham look good. Hell, Randy Moss made Jeff George look good.

    Really is amazing that Brady and Moss couldn’t put more than 14 points up in the SB on a Giants team that they had just put up 38 on a few weeks before.

  99. “Brady deserves all the credit he gets. He left the field w/under 3 mins to go with the lead in both Giant SBowls and the D couldn’t get the job done”

    Yeah, Brady and the offense really did a great job by only putting up 14 points against a Giants D that finished in the middle of the pack that year lol.

    I mean, that Pats averaged what, around 35 PPG that season (loved the running up the scores and going for it on 4th down even when the games were long over, very classy) but all Brady and “all the horses” could put on the board were 14 points?

    My minds getting a little fuzzy but in that first SB didn’t they also go for it on something like 4th and 15 instead of kicking a FG?

    Loved the way BB ran off the field after the game too. Class act the whole way.

  100. Brady walked off the field in the SBowl with the Pats in the lead. Don’t care if it was 3-0. Pats only had the ball for 20 mins and the Giants didn’t give up more than 20 pts in any of their 4 playoff wins. They were pretty good and deserve some credit. The reg season gm meant nothing to either team in the standings.

    Brady broke the existing records. That’s all you can do.

    When they got RMoss, late in his career, he was being run out of Oakland and cost them a 4th rnd pk. Nobody else wanted him. He didn’t do a thing after the Pats dumped him, either.

    Rooting against the Pats in the playoffs, as you showed by citing the yrs they lost, proves you’re a hater. Once they pats are eliminated, if they are, I’m not gonna waste my mental energy rooting for a team to lose out of spite. I don’t care. It takes real emotional damage to waste time praying someone will lose.

  101. handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Jan 1, 2015 1:25 PM

    Besides, the only record that matters is this

    Pittsburgh 6-2
    New England 3-3

    now shut up
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    I see what you did there ……The subject was Brady vs. Ben, so since you lose that argument, you turn back to franchise history.

    Nice try.

    handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Jan 1, 2015 1:41 PM

    Brady is not 5-2 vs roethlisberger. I did however forget about the one playoff game. So 5-3 not 4-3. My bad.
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    Wrong again, Chumley.

    Go back and check the records. I did. The Steelers played 8 games against New England during the Roethlisberger years. The game in 2008 was played against Cassell, not Brady.

    Like I said, Brady has played a Big Ben Steelers team seven times, and beaten them FIVE of those.

    Spin it any way you want to, but the truth is that Brady OWNS Roethlisberger’s Steelers. 😉

  102. Yeah, Ted, I and everyone else who says anything you don’t agree with is a “total hater”.

    Not like I said Brady is a great QB or anything, right?

    If Brady and “all the horses” had scored more than 14 points the defense wouldn’t have had to save him and the offense, the 2007 Pats were an offense juggernaut. Their D played great in the SB, the offense let them down. Spin it any way you want, even Brady himself scoffed at the idea of them “only” scoring 17 points, remember? (I do.) Why did the Pats only have the ball 20 minutes? Wasn’t it because they couldn’t do anything against the Giants lol? You act like there is some reason besides their own poor play that they didn’t have the ball long.

    Nobody else wanted Randy Moss? If you say so. Nobody wanted Moss to be the quitter he was when things weren’t going his way. BB got him back to actually trying and not whining (for a season or two anyway) but Moss’ physical ability was never in question and as I pointed out…he had success with a lot of QBs, not just Brady. as for the 4th round pick, it’s the NFL, rarely are players traded for high draft picks, especially underachieving ones.

    It’s pitiful though how you guys keep using this “they had the lead when Brady left the field” excuse though. For one, that might hold water if the score was 40-35 or something but the offense only put up 14 points lol……… for two it’s not true. The Pats had the ball in both those SB against the Giants at the end of the game and could do nothing. The Pats needed just a FG in the first loss to the GIants to tie the game….and what happened? Brady didn’t complete single pass.

  103. Pats beat the Rams in the 2001 SBowl. It was the Rams 3rd consecutive yr putting up 500+ pts. Unprecedented at the time. Still top 5-6 all time. Almost 7000 yrds of offense. Greatest show on turf. Rams put up 17 in the SBowl. Would I be disengenuous or have enough of an agenda to say the Rams were frauds? I’m not that much of an idiot.

    It’s not about the Pats haven’t won a thing since ‘spygate’. They’ve won everything but a SBowl. Most games, 2 AFC Championships, 9 playoff gms, 8 division titles. Another words, more that all but a handful of teams. Sorry some people don’t like that.

    Watch what happens this year.

  104. Not about agreeing with me. Anyone who says ‘I hope the Pats lose in the playoffs like they did..’ and you even know the yrs is hating.

    Yes, I’m saying nobody wanted RMoss. Even Welker, who had done little at the time, cost a 2nd. They said he couldn’t run anymore, just like RHarrison. He did nothing the yr before the Pats and nothing after.

    Brady had no chance against the Giants because they couldn’t block the Giants pass rush. I don’t care who the QB or the skill players were. Did you even watch the game?

  105. The Pats needed just a FG in the first loss to the GIants to tie the game….and what happened? Brady didn’t complete single pass.

    Brady got the ball back on his own 26 with :29 sec left. Tool.

  106. Lol at Ted.

    I was responding to the guy who said “past is prologue”.

    You must have missed that, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    Brady had no chance against the Giants? Huh. You were just talking about how Brady did a fine job and they “had the lead when he left the field”. Funny since he didn’t “have a chance”.

    And yeah I watched the game that’s how I know when Brady left the field at the end of the game….after failing to complete a single pass when all they needed was FG and they had around 30 seconds….the Pats did not have the lead like you claimed.

    You’re just the usual thin skinned Pats fan. Sorry to blaspheme and point out that Brady isn’t perfect. Someone up there, maybe you I don’t remember, commented on how the Pats won all these games, all these division titles, set all these records etc etc etc…yet…since 2004 Brady is something like 8-8 in the playoffs.

    And you think because I know how the Pat did in the playoffs for the last 10 years is “hating” lol? Like I said, typical NE fan. I can tell you how every team in the AFC has done for the last 20 years pretty much. Sorry I actually have a memory dude, which is why I remember things like Brady scoffing at the idea of “only” scoring 17 points or BB running off the field or the Pats going for it on 4th and 13….etc.

    This thread is about Brady and the Pats. Everything I’ve said has been in response to things Pats fans have said. Silly things like “they had the lead when Brady left the field” which….again….isn’t true.

    So go ahead and talk about how great Tom Brady is and then cry and whine about “haters” when someone disagrees buddy. Typical NE fan. You guys can dish it out but you sure as hell can’t take it.

  107. “The Pats needed just a FG in the first loss to the GIants to tie the game….and what happened? Brady didn’t complete single pass.

    Brady got the ball back on his own 26 with :29 sec left. Tool.”

    Yeah? Your point lol?

    30 seconds isn’t long enough to get into FG range?

    Lol, seriously dude, what is your point? I’ve seen QB’s do that many many times, are you saying Brady couldn’t?

  108. Brady had no chance to put up big #’s running for his life all day. Still, despite that, he left the D with the lead. Giants 1rst and 10, own 17, 2:39 left, 14-10 lead after Brady lead go ahead drive. D has to make the stop there, despite lucky plays by the Giants.

    Getting the ball back with :29 sec and having to get 50+ yrds on 4 plays? <10% chance.

    Brady has an 18-8 record in the playoffs, most wins of all time. I don't need to cherry pick years to fit my sad agenda.

    Someone can't take it, but I don't think it's me. Not thin skinned, just occasionally like to call haters on their nonsense. You know…when I'm bored.

    BB running of the field. LOL. Him and Coughlin have been friends for almost 30 yrs. He talked to him after the game.

    What does going for it on 4th and 13 have to do with Brady? If anything it shows confidence.

  109. I didn’t “cherry pick” anything dude. Brady started off 10-0 in the playoffs, since then he’s 8-8. This article is about how great they were early in his career and how they haven’t won anything since.

    I was responding to the comments up there about all the division titles….the most wins….the most playoff spots etc etc etc. It’s just odd given all that success that they’d be 8-8, you know, since Brady is the greatest QB ever?

    Sorry dude, 30 seconds left? Only needing a FG? They needed somewhere around 50 yards to get into FG range, that’s not anywhere near impossible, the Pats offense just couldn’t get it done like they didn’t get it done all game.

    Going for it on 4th and 13 shows something…but I sure wouldn’t call it confidence.

    And you thin skinned Pats fans sure have a liberal definition of “hater”. You talk all kinds of smack but the minute someone gives it back to you they’re a “hater” lol. Like I said, typical Pats fan.

  110. “If you hate Brady now, just wait till he retires and not only will you see him every week, but hear him too as a commentator. They’ll dump Phil Simms and he’ll be right there with Jim Nantz (finger in throat trying to vomit).”

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    Nice try. But I think when Tom leaves football, we’ll be addressing him as President Tom Brady. As in POTUS.

  111. “Sure thing, my favorite team is the Packers. The team that beat your Pats in Super Bowl XXXII, has more Super Bowls than the Pats, and beat your Pats heads up earlier this year.”

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    That game made it painfully obvious the Pats would have won if the game were in Gillette or in neutral site. But you do bring to mind a god point about the defense not being what it once was. In 2006, the Pats beatdown the Pack 35-0 at Lambeau. They knocked both Favre and Rogers out of the game.

  112. “New England in January is lovely!

    Sincerely,
    Baltimore Ravens”

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    Billy Cundiff and Lee Evans beg to differ.

    By the way, I recall a 41-7 beatdown in the most recent game. And that game-winning FG in Baltimore was actually no good.

  113. “I didn’t “cherry pick” anything dude. Brady started off 10-0 in the playoffs, since then he’s 8-8. This article is about how great they were early in his career and how they haven’t won anything since.”

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    Happens to them all. Not easy to keep it going after 3 out of 4. The Steelers went dormant in the 80s after their first 4 titles. We all know what happened to the Cowboys after their last SB win. And Joe Montana (1979-1995), he remained in the league for 5 years after his last SB title and didn’t get nearly as far as Brady has with consistency.

    Happens to them all. But the Pats keep threatening. Since 3 of 4, there were 2 razor thin SB losses and a razor thin AFCCG loss (they were 9-0 on the road before that loss and would have faced a Bears team on the road in the SB they beat earlier in the season).

    And they’re STILL going at it with no real signs of decline. In fact, they’re beginning to assemble a defense again after years of middling defenses.

  114. You talk all kinds of smack but the minute someone gives it back to you they’re a “hater”

    You’re not ‘giving anything back’, ‘dude’. You’re just trying to twist and cherry pick every stat you can to try to diminish the accomplishments of the greatest sports franchise of this century. With the possible exception of the Spurs. Ignore the 1rst 10 wins of Brady’s playoff career, no problem. Expect Brady to move his team into FG range with half a minute left, happens all the time(Although Brady did it against the Rams and Panthers). The only thing I like better than watching this team is watching haters twist and squirm because the Pats winning bothers them so much. Get a life. Find a productive hobby. ‘Dude’

  115. “They lost twice in the Super Bowl…. To the GIANTS!!”

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    Too bad the Giants couldn’t show up for the Patriots’ first 3 SB titles. Amd where are they THIS year?

  116. “It really shows you what’s truly important to the NFL — and that’s ‘duck and cover,’ ” said Bryan O’Leary, author of the book “Spygate: The Untold Story.”

    And that’s why certain allegations — including that the Pats were using a radio frequency outside the NFL’s purview to ­illegally communicate information to quarterback Tom Brady during the game — were seemingly ignored, O’Leary says.

  117. “Spygate: The Untold Story.”

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    You cannot believe anything that is said about Spygate if it’s written by a fan of another team.

    You cannot believe anything that is said about Spygate if it’s written by a fan of the Patriots.

    In short …

    You can never believe anything written about Spygate.

  118. ” And Joe Montana (1979-1995), he remained in the league for 5 years after his last SB title and didn’t get nearly as far as Brady has with consistency.”
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    Montana made two conference championships and made the playoffs as a WC in his final 3 seasons, 2 of those with a new team. He was hurt in 1991-1992.

    So….. not really sure what you’re talking about as far as “getting as far as Brady” goes. If the 49ers hadn’t had Steve Young waiting in the wings or if Montana hadn’t gotten hurt he likely would have had several more shots at the SB, that 49ers team was loaded.
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    “and a razor thin AFCCG loss (they were 9-0 on the road before that loss and would have faced a Bears team on the road in the SB they beat earlier in the season).”

    Razor thin? They blew an 18 point lead lol. The final score was only 4 but they stunk it up in the second half and the game ended with a Brady INT.

    I think the Pats will still contend after Brady retires. They won 11 with a backup 7th round pick who hadn’t started in college or the pros.

    My point is Brady gets too much credit for the SB wins. Those Pats teams were great defensively and were grind it out type teams. Everyone talks about him having no weapons, he’s had Moss, Dillon, Welker, Branch, Gronkowski, Edelman, etc.

    The Pats are all about being a team and Brady has ALWAYS had a good team and many times a GREAT team around him. Nothing wrong with that but people use their team success as an argument to put Brady over other QBs and it’s silly. Going by that logic Trent Dilfer is better than Marino and Aikman is as good as Brady and Bradshaw is better than Brady.

    Like I said in an earlier post you put Montana or Brady on the Jaguars or the 80’s Bucs and see how many rings they have. Football is the ultimate team sport because even a QB is only involved in one phase of the game. The QB does not play defense and the QB does not play special teams.

    And a lot of it comes down to dumb like like the Vanderjgaht missing an easy FG at home in 2005 against the Steelers or Brady fumbling the ball and the refs reversing it by the Tuck rule. Everyone who isn’t a Pat’s fan knows he fumbled that ball and the game was over. But they were awarded the ball and the rest is history.

  119. NUMBER 4 IS FINALLY HERE. AND SPYGATE WILL DIE. THIS IS WHAT THE HATERS FEAR THE MOST.

  120. “You’re not ‘giving anything back’, ‘dude’. You’re just trying to twist and cherry pick every stat you can to try to diminish the accomplishments of the greatest sports franchise of this century. With the possible exception of the Spurs. Ignore the 1rst 10 wins of Brady’s playoff career, no problem. Expect Brady to move his team into FG range with half a minute left, happens all the time(Although Brady did it against the Rams and Panthers). The only thing I like better than watching this team is watching haters twist and squirm because the Pats winning bothers them so much. Get a life. Find a productive hobby. ‘Dude’”.
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    Yup. Another typical butthurt Pats fan who throws a tantrum when someone points out that they haven’t won anything in a decade.

    I mean….”twist and squirm” lol? Good lord dude, and “greatest sports franchise of this century” (all fifteen years of it) lol?

    Holy crap you’re out there.

    And not sure why pointing out Brady had the ball…with 30 seconds left…and I believe all 3 TO ( I could be wrong but I think they had them) against the Giants but couldn’t get anything done is so troubling to you or why you act like it’s not possible that he could have gotten them into FG range given those circumstances but you…like most Pats fans….don’t seem to like things that don’t go with your fantasy about everyone being “haters” and your team being the “greatest sports franchise of the century” lol.

    Have a good one buddy, I’m done “hating”, I’m afraid you’re going to burst out in tears if I keep going.

  121. Tears? I’m laughing. What do I have to be hurt about? That haters hate the Pats? LOL.

    Brady had 3 TOs when he had :29 sec on his own 26. He had to use the 1rst one after the Giant DL came in unblocked and sacked him before he got set up. Had to throw 3 passes down the field to hope to make 50+ yrds. Those plays took :19 sec. Never said it was impossible, just very unlikely.

    That’s right. The greatest NFL team this century.

    The bane of haters’ existence.

    By the way, the Tuck Rule was called correctly, whether haters think it was a fumble or not. And it’s never gonna change.

    Circle the dates of the Pats playoff games. Enjoy.

  122. The truth is that not only was the Pats success early in Brady’s career amazing, the Pats success throughout Brady’s career has been amazing.

    In the playoffs all but two seasons in his career, with one of those seasons happening when Brady was injured in the first half of the first game and lost for the season, the Pats have been to eight AFC Championship games during his career and five Super Bowls. No matter the results of those championship and Super Bowls, those numbers alone are amazing.

    An amazing run of success envied by the owners, players and fans of 31 other NFL teams; in spite of the fact that like the vast majority of the other NFL teams the Pats have not won a SB since 2004.

    And whatever happens in these playoffs, the amazing run of success continued in this 2014 season, is likely to continue in the 2915 season, and will certainly continue to be envied by the owners and fans of the other 31 teams long after the Belichick/Brady era comes to an end.

  123. I don’t really have a dog in this hunt but it’ll be interesting to see how Belichick does as a HC without Brady as his starting QB (assuming Belichick doesn’t retire at that point). Yes, Belichick went 11-5 in 2008 when Brady was injured but the Pats were 5-11 in the year before Brady took over as starting QB. And he was pretty bad as Cleveland HC.

    As a side note, it looks like the Pats at 14 are likely going to tie (and maybe overtake) the Raiders’ mark for consecutive winning seasons (16) although it may be more of a challenge to tie/overtake Tom Landry’s all-time mark of 20 consecutive winning seasons. (yes, the Raiders have sucked for many years now, but I’m old enough to remember when we were once as perennially dominant as New England is now). Also, it’s refreshing to see some non-bandwagon New England fans who were there during their team’s dark days under Ron Erhardt and Rod Rust (not to mention the early AFL) and can savor their team’s’ current success. I hope to live long enough to see my team have such a resurgence.

  124. Two things always make me laugh:

    1. When people say that Pats haven’t done anything since Spygate…except a 16-0 regular season, the most wins in the league since 2007, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 5 AFC Championship appearances, Brady won the MVP twice…I can stop there.

    2. When people say that the Pats winning the AFC East is no accomplishment because the division is bad (it is) when they probably think Joe Montana is the GOAT despite playing in the AWFUL NFC West. Talk about a cupcake walk to the playoffs every year.

  125. “NUMBER 4 IS FINALLY HERE. AND SPYGATE WILL DIE. THIS IS WHAT THE HATERS FEAR THE MOST.”
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    I applaud your enthusiasm, but you don’t have to set it up so the Pats need to win a SB to dispel Spygate. Here are the facts:

    1. There’s no proof other teams were not engaged in videotaping and plenty of proof other teams committed other violations to gain an advantage. This was just the NFL culture pre-Goodell.

    2. There’s no proof any advantage was gained. More to the point, other coaches seem to want to refute the idea that any advantage was gained.

    3. The videotaping is supposed to benefit the offense. If that’s the case, why was Brady so inconsistent? He threw one TD pass in that SB against the Rams (a team the Pats faced earlier in the year and would have had videotape on), but otherwise he struggled. Brady came into his own as a scoring QB after Spygate. And it was the defense that won those championships for New England.

    4. New England played in 5 SBs in the Brady-Belichick era. Conspiracy theorists would have us believe videotaping was the difference between winning 3 SBs by 3 points and losing 2 SBs by 3-4 points when a simpler and more plausible explanation would be that the Pats could not re-assemble a new championship defense. They were essentially a team that now won with offense in spite of a middling defense.

    5. If the Pats do win it all this year, the predictable response from fans of other teams will be a blend of “Congrats on your first legitimate SB victory” and “You must still be cheating somehow.”

  126. And he was pretty bad as Cleveland HC.
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    Not really. He took a Browns team that had exactly one good player and crap everywhere else on the roster and turned them into a Super Bowl contender. And then Modell pulled the plug on the franchise. Who knows how far they would have risen but he was set up to fail. Regardless of his W-L record, it’s hard to blame him for what happened after that.

    If he was anything in Cleveland, he was not exactly politically savvy and that’s what did him in.

  127. “yes, the Raiders have sucked for many years now, but I’m old enough to remember when we were once as perennially dominant as New England is now). Also, it’s refreshing to see some non-bandwagon New England fans who were there during their team’s dark days under Ron Erhardt and Rod Rust (not to mention the early AFL) and can savor their team’s’ current success. I hope to live long enough to see my team have such a resurgence.”

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    I remember. Probably one of the sweetest victories for this franchise in the pre-Belichick era was that 27-20 win over the Raiders in L.A. in 1985. They had lost at home to the Raiders 35-20 earlier in the same season. For those who were tired of the Raiders success, that game was truly good (Patriots) versus evil (Raiders). How things change.

    Believe it or not, I do actually miss Steve Grogan and that 1985 will always be my favorite team because in some ways I lost my virginity that year. And from what women tell me, THAT FIRST TIME — being de-flowered — usually does not end so pleasantly.

    It’s not the same NFL without the Raiders and in some ways the Patriots have absorbed some of the elements of the old Raider reputation. Right or wrong the Raiders had a reputation for cheating but it was kind of kick-the-opposing-RB-in-the-groin-when-the-ref-isn’t-looking kind of cheating.

  128. It’s not the same NFL without the Raiders and in some ways the Patriots have absorbed some of the elements of the old Raider reputation. Right or wrong the Raiders had a reputation for cheating but it was kind of kick-the-opposing-RB-in-the-groin-when-the-ref-isn’t-looking kind of cheating.

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    The Tuck Rule thing was karma. It was justice. People don’t understand that after the Roughing the Passer screwjob it HAD to happen the way it did 25 years later. What goes around comes around. Tough way to lose, but now the debt is paid in full.

  129. . New England played in 5 SBs in the Brady-Belichick era. Conspiracy theorists would have us believe videotaping was the difference between winning 3 SBs by 3 points and losing 2 SBs by 3-4 points when a simpler and more plausible explanation would be that the Pats could not re-assemble a new championship defense. They were essentially a team that now won with offense in spite of a middling defense.


    Yup. It really is that simple. Seattle proved it last year. You don’t win championships with an all world offense and nothing on the other side of the ball. You win with defense supplemented with a good offense.

    When was the last time the Patriots defense was a group that was respected and feared among Patriots opponents and their fans? Why… 2004 of course. How did they do that season? How many titles have the won since they had a good defense? Hmmm….

    That correlation is real and it’s valid. Anything else is just post hoc ergo propter hoc babbling…..

  130. 5. If the Pats do win it all this year, the predictable response from fans of other teams will be a blend of “Congrats on your first legitimate SB victory” and “You must still be cheating somehow.”

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    And if the Pats do win it all… ONLY THEN Brady belongs in the conversation as the GOAT. Not before. Gotta get that fourth ring first.

  131. To the thumbs downer on my above post… I just can’t put Brady at Montana’s level right now. Just can’t do it. Not yet. Not when Brady has one less ring along with 2 SB losses where he didn’t play particularly well in either of them. Montana if you recall has not tasted a Super Bowl loss. Unlike Montana Brady has also not led his team to a Super Bowl winning TD drive. I know he had set his team up with one… but they lost in the end so it doesn’t count as one.

    Now if he gets a 4th ring? That changes things. He now has the same number of rings as Joe in 6 total appearances. He will then have then won championships with completely different personnel around him. And different coaches minus Belichick. He will get the monkey off his back of falling short in recent years. This to go along with his numbers most definitely puts him in the conversation.

    And if he can somehow win a 5th then the top of the mountain is all his. If he can do it, most likely no other QB in our lifetimes will.

    JMO.

  132. I’m sure the cheating helped them. After all, why cheat in the first place if it wouldn’t?

  133. I’m sure the cheating helped them. After all, why cheat in the first place if it wouldn’t?

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    Why would they improve AFTER they no longer had that tactic available to them?

  134. “I think I can speak on behalf of giants nation when I say we’re all rooting for you whenever we’re not in it. Each one you win makes ours shine brighter. Kind of like the shankara stones in Temple of Doom.”

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    The teams you beat were not the same Patriots teams that won 3 championships nor the same team that made the playoffs THIS year, which finally has a defense. The defenses you beat couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down and had one of the league’s worst stats when it comes to passing yards allowed and holding teams to FGs in the red zone. They made the 2007 SB with a novelty offense that the league eventually caught up with by the end of the season. They made the 2011 SB with some timely offense, smoke and mirrors, and a bit of good fortune at the end of the AFCCG.

  135. The Pats “cheated” for literally less than half a game. Before 2007, it was completely legal and every team did it. Actually, it’s STILL legal to film the other team – just from an approved location in a booth and not the sideline.

  136. Wish theses idiots would state which team they like no balls I guess, spyglass happened in 2007 and they still went 18-0 bill cower said all teams videotaped including steelers maybesteelers should again maybe win a playoff game ha ha or beat the pats once in a while or giants to make the playoffs or win more then 9 games in a season why do people hate Brady so much all he does is win more than Peyton

  137. Hey Ben Coates 57 your team is a joke ! Overrated and overpaid Eli Manning never won more than 9 games in a season inconsistent play I remember lawrence Taylor drug fueled drunk rapist played s toned every game

  138. Amazing is a great word to describe. And I don’t think he’s done yet…

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    Agreed…he’s not done cheating.

  139. Spygate book. Self published by the author, who lost his license in the financial industry due to fraud, with his own money, because he couldn’t get a legitimate house to publish it. Cites no evidence or sources, other than a Vegas bookie and a fringe stat guy. Offers no proof of his ‘theories’. The premise of the book is statistically, the Pats are so good at home, they must still be cheating. We don’t know exactly what EAdams does, so it must be him, They go on to make the rest up, and even the author admits it’s just a theory.

    Oh, I forgot, the author is a disgruntled fan of a rival team, either Jets or Steelers, I think. Pick one up at a yard sale near you. Throw them a buck, just to be nice.

  140. Still cheating perhaps? “Spygate: The Untold Story”. A highly recommended read for every NFL fan (outside of New England of course).

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    I wonder if the author of that book – a die hard Steeler fan – will write about the Steelers titles next. He can call it 6*.

    The asterisk of course represents the fact that every single one of the Steelers titles is tainted. 4 by cheating. 2 from the refs.

    A much better read is False Glory by Steve Courson. It really is shocking to read about the rampant and systemic cheating in the Steeler organization that helped them win* their first 4 titles.

    You stinking frauds. You were never a dynasty. Your team doesn’t belong on the same field as the Patriots and their 3 legit titles.

  141. How does it feel Steeler Fan? How does it feel knowing your team has 0 legit rings and ain’t winning their first this year? OUCH. That has to sting. It should.

    3 for the Patriots > 0 for the Steelers. Even a child can understand that. It’s that simple.

  142. Pats are so good at home, they must still be cheating

    Sounds like the author might be that guy posting on here who wants to call out the National Guard and have congressional hearings after every victory.

  143. 3 legit > 6* every time

    Don’t cry Steeler fan, it’s ok. One day you’ll win your first legit title. You will see it’s so much better to win legit and without cheating or refs.

    In the meantime you clowns can stop this nonsense that you are a dynasty franchise. All time dynasties didn’t need to cheat with illegal PEDs or pay off refs to win championships. They earn their titles.

  144. Hey Ben Coates 57 your team is a joke ! Overrated and overpaid Eli Manning never won more than 9 games in a season inconsistent play I remember lawrence Taylor drug fueled drunk rapist played s toned every game

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    Ah, I’m a Patriots, fan. Not a Giants fan. That should be more than obvious. If not because of what I read than what my username is. But I guess you’re the first Patriots fan never to have heard of Ben Coates.

  145. Come on, guys. These sub-mental Lilliputians do not believe they’re own press. They just want to vex and vent. And they think they can get us riled up with some comments about Spygate. But they’re not serious. They’re just fans of other teams who will say anonymously what they’d never say on the record because they don’t believe their own words. Sports is a form of politics as well as a form of entertainment, and no one likes a politician.

    So just enjoy the history and the history-in-the-making Pats fans. 3 championships in the Era of Parity. We are the best!

  146. So just enjoy the history and the history-in-the-making Pats fans. 3 championships in the Era of Parity. We are the best!
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    Yessir.

    Now win that 4th… and that seals the deal. Belichick and Brady will have won titles with completely different rosters…. completely different personnel…and completely different systems.

    Who else in football can say they’ve done that? Nobody.

  147. I do believe Belichick needs to vindicate himself with ring #4.

    He’s strayed from the defensive mindset that made him a HOF lock for a coach… he was never an offensive mind, he is a DEFENSIVE mind…he is almost singlehandedly responsible for the end of the K-Gun offense and the Greatest Show on Turf… unfortunately that trait has not come close to manifesting itself by the defensive product the Patriots have put on the field in recent years.

    I’d like to think he’s still got it in him. Now the Patriots once again have a defense that can stop a nosebleed. So perhaps the end result is different. We shall see.

  148. Dishonest fans cite the NFL as the authority to make the rules but then ignore that same authority when the NFL determined the accomplishments of the Patriots would remain intact. That makes you a hypocrite.

  149. Not a Patriot fan but as all major sports players know and the sign in the Oakland facility once said: ” If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying”.

  150. Where you at Steeler fan?

    It’s too bad you clowns got rolled….now the Patriots won’t get a chance to put a 60 burger on that limp wristed soft defense you got there.

    You clowns don’t ACTUALLY think you are a legitimately good team without cheating or paid off refs did you?

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