Glazer: Fox, Elway had “irreconcilable differences”

AP

Broncos V.P. of football operations and G.M. John Elway addressed the “mutual parting” with coach John Fox at a press conference on Tuesday.  Before that, FOX’s Jay Glazer joined PFT Live to discuss the events that led to the divorce.

“This has actually been a long time coming,” Glazer said.  “We kind of knew, I figured that, all the way back to last year’s even Senior Bowl, [Scouting] Combine, this year’s situation where this is going to be one and done unless, they won a Super Bowl, I think John Elway, just everything that, you know, the talent that he was going to bring in there he wasn’t going to accept anything less.  I think it was just kind of like, almost like a marriage gone bad.  They were irreconcilable differences, that’s what it was.”

So how much of it is on Fox?

“It’s really hard not to get along with John Fox,” Glazer said.  “It really is.  And, you know, it’s no secret that Fox and I are real good friends, I told him yesterday, ‘Hey, you may be a complete knucklehead, but you’re definitely not hard to get along with.’  It just became a situation where it wasn’t just with Fox, it was John Elway with the entire staff.”

How did it happen?

“It wasn’t a hatred, it wasn’t like that,” Glazer said.  “It wasn’t, I don’t know, just somewhere along the line those two guys, they were close and now all of a sudden they weren’t and I don’t really . . . it didn’t happen this year, it happened long ago and sometimes change is just good for both parts and that’s what I’m saying. . . .  It’s not like this just happened this week.  It’s been just a long time, you know, there some things and I think once you start going down that road, it just kind of snowballs more and more and more.  And every little thing will bother you about the other person, you know what I mean, when you have a situation when it’s irreconcilable differences.”

Almost as surprising as the longstanding existence of “irreconcilable differences” was the ability of Elway and Fox to keep the issues under wraps.  How did they do it?

“Because it wasn’t like a hatred,” Glazer said. “It wasn’t like, look, you didn’t have a thing like [former 49ers coach] Jim Harbaugh, who is so hard to get along with, and [49ers G.M.] Trent Baalke, they’re a clash of personalities. John Elway is a very likeable guy and he’s easy to get along with.  John Fox is a very likeable guy and he’s very easy to get along with.  Those two guys just together it just became a bad match. . . .

“Neither one of these guys also really — they’re not  politicians, you know what I mean?  It comes out a lot when guys are politicians and they want the world to know what’s going on.  They’re not.  It just started to just see things differently.  I mean that’s really the best way to say this and it seems like there’s so much more, it’s just not, they started to see things differently.”

Unlike Harbaugh, whom Glazer had reported would be out in San Francisco even if the 49ers won the Super Bowl, the irreconcilable differences between Elway and Fox would have been reconciled via a Super Bowl win.

“They loaded up, it was kind of all or nothing,” Glazer said.  “It was almost same thing with [former Falcons coach] Mike Smith this year.  We knew going into the year that he had to do an awful lot to compete in the playoffs or just time to move on.  Sometimes, Mike, in this league, people want a clear cut answer but it really gets to the point where you know what sometimes it’s time to move on.  You know, sometimes you hang out with, you’ve got friends in life and you hang out with someone and you’re going out all the time and all of a sudden it just kind of runs its course and you start hanging out with another friend.”

Now, Elway will begin looking for another friend.  A friend who will also be friendly with Peyton Manning.  A friend who will be comfortable with the ridiculously high standards that saw a coach who won four straight division titles sent packing.

60 responses to “Glazer: Fox, Elway had “irreconcilable differences”

  1. Elway should get a life. He is not going to win the Super Bowl every year no matter who or whom is the coach or QB. What a tool.

  2. Glazer sure does know how to say a lot without actually saying anything.

    It is interesting that after the SB loss, Fox had a year left on his contract but Elway tore it up and gave him a new 3 year extension and then now a year later Fox gets fired. If Fox gets any money because he still had two years left on his contract that was a dumb move by Elway to sign him to an extension if Elway knew the relationship wasn’t going to work.

  3. Fox is a great coach who has won with a wide range of QBs. It remains to be seen what kind of GM Elway is.

  4. Just sounds like a difference in philosophy of how to improve the team. The more interesting story here though is that it seems Fox’s side leaked word to Glazer that he may be available after the Colts game so that other teams would wait for him before making hiring decisions. So it’s not surprising that perhaps he was coaching with one foot out the door and his heart/mind not fully in it.

  5. Differences? Yeah, Fox thought it might be time to find a new QB while Elway thinks Peyton can play until he’s 50 and win him a SB. No biggie.

  6. so Glazer’s the source on all things Broncos?

    Does anyone know of a current media outlet that interviews the people their articles are about?

    This whisper down the lane crap gets old quick.

  7. Elway isn’t in trouble with making the Broncos to the 2016 play-offs. Who is he going to hire to replace Fox? If I were a HC it would be buyer beware. He also needs a QB. Whether it is 2016 or later. Payton is done.

  8. abninf says:
    Jan 13, 2015 6:54 PM
    Mr. Ed is going to make that team irrelevant.
    ________________________

    Denver was irrelevant before Elway got here.
    He brought in Fox and Manning and drafted Von Miller.

    He pieced together the team that went to the Super Bowl last year. With help from McDaniels leftovers (Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Eric Decker)

    We didn’t have enough defense to win the Super Bowl last year so Elway the GM went out and got TJ Ward, Aquib Talib, and Demarcus Ware.

    Denver was talented enough to make it to the AFC Championship at the very least.

    When can you hold the head coach accountable if not after one-and-done performance at home in the playoffs?

  9. Teams that win Super Bowls have a fire inside of them. Russell Wilson is kind of mild mannered, but their whole coaching staff gave the players an attitude that they were going to steamroll whoever was in their way.

    Same thing with the Ravens a couple years ago and the Giants before that. I never saw that type of fire from the Broncos, even though they were stacked. Maybe thats what Elway thought was missing. Football is an emotional sport, and he couldn’t get his guys emotionally ready to go play like their hair was on fire.

    Anyone can win games w/ Peyton, but you have to bring something to the table beyond that. Bill Belichek “out schemes” his opponents every week, even though he’s got Tom Brady. Seems that Fox just had them line up and play every week and hope their same game plan would work…

    I didn’t see the fire in them, and neither did Elway. Thats what it takes to win a Superbowl and they didn’t have it for the past couple of years. I don’t blame him for going out to look for it instead of watching the same thing happen next year.

  10. It looks like Fox got a raw deal then; how can the Broncos get into the Super Bowl with a quarterback (albeit – because of injury) that couldn’t effectively throw the ball past 10 yards?

  11. I remember Elway wasn’t cool with Broncos getting knocked out of the playoffs by the Ravens (couple years ago) even though it was Manning’s first year with Denver. The preseason after that Elway saw a lack of effort or something and just went off on the players, coaches, everyone. Then they went to the super bowl. You can’t fire a coach after a super bowl!!

    Then he doubled up with all these acquisitions. Anything short of a super bowl win would be unnacceptable.

    I think there was issues way back after that loss to the Ravens.

    There’s nothing wrong with John Fox but Elway is just a man possessed with tunnel vision on a SB win. Probably wants his coach to reflect his intensity.

  12. Fox got a contract extension in April. So hopefully, these “irreconcilable differences” didn’t pop up until after that, otherwise Elway is an idiot for giving him an extension knowing they were headed for a divorce.

  13. Payton is not done…. The whole team seemed to change the last 4-5 weeks of the regular season!! You don’t just have an elite skill set one day & then (1) game later your too old & Your ability to play is done!
    Fact of the matter is , the whole team looked tired , disinterested, and was both outplayed & out coached! Manning could very well be dealing with an injury that could have limited his ability somewhat, but to say he should retire because his skills are gone is ludicrous!!!

  14. (1) Elway fired Fox because he wanted a championship, and Fox did not deliver.

    (2) I did see the irony that Elway lost a couple before he got a Superbowl win as a player.

    (3) LOL on this Glazer statement:

    ‘Almost as surprising as the longstanding existence of “irreconcilable differences” was the ability of Elway and Fox to keep the issues under wraps.

    I’d think twice about hiring Fox when he is sharing team and interpersonal relationship with Glazer, which Glazer then shares with the public.

  15. Elway is a legend in his own mind. He is in way over his head. Way over. He will ruin the broncos. Step away Johnny bronco and save some face. Has been.

  16. motsuret06 says: Jan 13, 2015 6:23 PM

    Elway should get a life. He is not going to win the Super Bowl every year no matter who or whom is the coach or QB. What a tool.
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    Pretty sure he has 100x the life you have, internet troll. Knock the guy down for wanting to get better. Great thinking. What a tool.

  17. abninf says: Jan 13, 2015 6:54 PM

    Mr. Ed is going to make that team irrelevant.
    ————————————
    He’s the one that made that team relevant again. Obviously, fans from other teams don’t see what he’s done. Evidently you don’t remember Josh McDaniels.

  18. Have you ever seen anyone on Denver with the fire of a guy like JJ Watt, Tom Brady, or any of the Seahawks?

    Fox did not give this team a killer instinct. They folded in big games. They had a lot of stupid penalties.

    Did Denver have any strategy? Any trickery? Anything innovative or creative?

    He may be a nice guy and people can think he got shafted, but he did not get the most out of the talent on that team and his coordinators certainly seemed like they were playing darts and hoping to hit on something.

  19. I’d think twice about hiring Fox when he is sharing team and interpersonal relationship with Glazer, which Glazer then shares with the public.

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    Glazer knew about the situation for quite awhile yet didnt say anything about it until after the Colts game (at Fox’s direction). So he DIDNT share with the public until Fox told him to.

  20. I remember when Bum Phillips was let go by the Oilers after he brought them to respectability and then lost in the playoffs.

    After that?
    7-9, 1-8, 2-14 and a long period of suckness.

    Served them right.

    Mr Elway just MIGHT find the same thing happening in Denver…

  21. I see a lot of negative comments towards Elway from fans with teams that never make the playoffs. You guys would never understand and are satisfied with just making the playoffs. Born losers who never aspire to be the best. I applaud Elway for always wanting more and doing what he can to win a superbowl.

  22. I wonder what John Elway’s life would be today if the Broncos had cleaned house after the 1997 season. Back then, Elway was a “choker” who had gotten blown out in three Super Bowls and whose team just got knocked out of the playoffs by the expansion Jaguars.

  23. I actually read this situation as ‘John Fox felt they should find and develop a young QB as the future of the team, Peyton Manning vehemently disagreed’.

  24. So Glazer is now Fox’s mouthpiece? The fact that he posted his remarks BEFORE the game on Sunday….think maybe that had anything to do with the lack of enthusiasm on the team’s part? Shame on Fox for letting his good Friend do that. Maybe it was planned to get the end result? Does make you wonder. If so classless.

  25. mrclaytonbigsby,
    You confuse criticism with objective reasoning that a GM just may want to consider making it to the level of competition that the team has was MAYBE a coach having gotten MORE out of his team than the talent should have , versus the assumption that they SHOULD have won multiple superbowls….

  26. Two thoughts come to mind. First of all, regardless of ones relationship with a reporter, nothing is off the record and it sounds as if Fox either didn’t know that or forgot it. Reporters are paid to report and Glazer didn’t do Fox or Denver any favors by leaking this story before the game. Second, in any and all employer to employee relationships, there must be trust. For this story to leak before kickoff and to originate from one of Foxs friends, Elway must have felt a lack of trust, which is why Fox and his entire coaching staff have been shown no loyalty. I can’t blame Elway for his decisions since Sunday’s game ended. Sidebar: Chicago has already dealt with the fiasco that resulted from an assistant coach who leaked to the media. Why would they hire a head coach who allows a reporter to do his bidding for him?

  27. An addendum to above: if you honestly watched that game on Sunday, realizing they had two weeks to prepare, and watch both sides of the ball seem totally unprepared with a poor game plan and not blame coaching then you are just a Broncos hater. As elway said in his press conference the team lacked “fire”‘. Even some of the players admitted they were flat. It is the job of the coach to instill enthusiasm….that did not happen Sunday.

  28. PFT is one tough crowd man. You guys bash anybody and everybody. John Elway wasn’t a choker. He absolutely willed those teams to the Super Bowl when they had no business being there.

  29. Glazer comes across as almost illiterate. He is a gym rate hopped up on PEDs. Why FOXsports features him as their lead reporter is a complete mystery to anyone not drunk at the bar.

  30. Having worked with Elway in the Automotive Business easy to get along with aren’t the words you think of, egomaniacal , self centered, liar, jerk yea those are words that come to mind. Good luck to the Broncs.

  31. Not sure what Elway’s problem is. He should be used to being blown out in Super Bowls by now.

  32. What kind of upside does Fox have? He’s done. Elway made the right decision and so did Fox. Broncos will move forward and be better long term without John Fox.

  33. That is one of the most accurate comments that I have read on this site.

    1nyj is 100% correct and is why John Elway should be viewed as the greatest QB ever.

    He was something to watch, which I did from day 1 of his career.

  34. Irreconcilable differences? Why because John Fox wants a younger quarterback that does not choke in the playoffs and he wants to WIN a superbowl, not just get in it. Elway wants a QB that needs to renew his AARP membership. Remember it was Elway and Peyton that screwed Tim Tebow bigtime. They could have kept him as a backup but they released him. Now John Fox, a great coach, and a great man is released because of the collusion between Elway and Peyton.

  35. Peyton Manning is injured. So instead of running the ball down Indy’s 18th ranked run defenses throat…. they spread the field wide and had Manning, who hasn’t been himself in over a month, sling the ball all over the field.

    I don’t know Fox. Don’t know Elway. I’m a Hawks fan and honestly couldn’t care less about either.

    But the lack of an intelligent gameplan for that game cost them a trip to New England. That was inexcusable. Somebodies head needed to roll, and I guess we found out quickly whose it was.

  36. I just think after the Super Bowl Fox wanted to run the ball, change the team to the ole Carolina Panthers. The start of the season they tried running the ball and got little results so they went back to the pass, successfully.

    But the seed was planted and when they lost against New England (away) then St. Louis (away) it gave Fox the justification he needed. But Fox, and his coaching staff didn’t develop his offensive line at all in the pre season, almost like “oh I wanna run the ball..but oops, I forgot my line is built on only 2 players playing at their normal positions…dolt”.
    Ya know, I’m surprised this moron didn’t put a full back at center or put Virgil Green at kicker when the kicker he vouched for couldn’t hit 40 yard field goals.

    Fox didn’t believe the team with all those weapons could win a super bowl, instead he thought they could win the super bowl w/CJ Anderson. I don’t think this sat well with the receivers on offense or Adam Gase for that matter. Their passing game is what got them to the Superbowl..right?? First you gotta get there so why mess with your strength?

    Fox with all due respect changed the game plan that would take the ball away from Denvers best players and put it in the hands of an undrafted rb who was basically unproven. He had no plan, no creativity, and anytime you see Virgil Green in the game their running the ball, seriously who DONT see that coming???

  37. truthfactory says:
    Jan 13, 2015 7:07 PM
    Teams that win Super Bowls have a fire inside of them. Russell Wilson is kind of mild mannered, but their whole coaching staff gave the players an attitude that they were going to steamroll whoever was in their way.

    Same thing with the Ravens a couple years ago and the Giants before that. I never saw that type of fire from the Broncos, even though they were stacked. Maybe thats what Elway thought was missing. Football is an emotional sport, and he couldn’t get his guys emotionally ready to go play like their hair was on fire.

    Anyone can win games w/ Peyton, but you have to bring something to the table beyond that. Bill Belichek “out schemes” his opponents every week, even though he’s got Tom Brady. Seems that Fox just had them line up and play every week and hope their same game plan would work…

    I didn’t see the fire in them, and neither did Elway. Thats what it takes to win a Superbowl and they didn’t have it for the past couple of years. I don’t blame him for going out to look for it instead of watching the same thing happen next year.
    __________________________________

    This is, in my opinion, the best summary of what happened with the Broncos the last two years. Additionally, in most big games (regular and post season), the Broncos looked completely out-coached and out-schemed.

  38. They say Mr. Ed was responsible for running Dan Reeves out of Denver and to get Mastermind Shanahan hired. Again, it was due to ‘unfortunate differences’. Elway and Shanahan backstabbed Reeves, who is kind of like Fox, a gentleman and good person, convincing the owner to fire him and install Mastermind in a palace coup. Elway is a real SOB, and deserves worse. Now he’s bringing Kubiak back and will expect him to win a Super Bowl, the one Fox would of won had he been more of an SOB like Elway and Mastermind. Why hasn’t Mr. Ed brought Mastermind back to Denver anyway? Perfect fit, two SOB’s and rotten people, guess they couldn’t trust each other.

  39. Dan Snyder used to go all out on the big ‘names’in free agency. It doesn’t work.

    Al Davis was capricious enough to fire coaches after a year or two, but at least only if they were sucking. That instability killed any chance Oakland had at turning it around. In other words, it doesn’t work.

    Yet when Elway behaves the exact same way, he’s supposed to be praised? Somebody needs to explain to Elway that combining the two worst attributes of a pair of owners that screwed up their teams is NOT the way you wanna go. Not ‘satisfied’ with twelve wins? It still doesn’t make aiming for sub-.500 a good idea.

  40. ideabook2014

    Oh look. A Mark Kizla disciple. That hack is the only one I know who called Elway that.

    Reeves put horrible teams with no offensive lines and no running backs for Elway and almost got him killed.

    Shanahan might come off wrong to some people but Reeves couldnt get the job done with Elway and Shanahan did.

    Reeves made it back to the Superbowl again with the Falcons…against Elway and lost. lol Poetic justice for John.

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