Many questions linger regarding “Deflategate”

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Last night’s bombshell from Chris Mortensen of ESPN — that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs from Sunday’s AFC title game were underinflated by two pounds per square inch of pressure — has pushed #Deflategate to new heights, causing many to presume that these measurements mean that the Patriots deliberately deflated the balls.

But plenty of questions remain.  Here’s an effort to address as many of them as possible.  If I’ve missed any, let me know in the comments.  (As if you need an engraved invitation to do so.)

First, why didn’t the officials notice that the balls were underinflated?  The issue reportedly arose after Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson intercepted a pass from Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the Indianapolis equipment manager noticed that something was amiss.  Multiple officials touch the balls the Patriots are using on every play.  The umpire was repeatedly wiping the ball off with a towel before putting it down for the center.  Simplest explanation:  The officials either didn’t notice that the balls were underinflated or the balls felt no different than they do in other games.

Second, what does a ball that is underinflated by two pounds per square inch feel like?  It’s only a matter of time before ESPN or someone else has a ball inflated at the proper PSI and a ball inflated at the lower PSI for former NFL players to dig their fingers into on the air.  Which may not be compelling TV, but could be instructive.

Third, were the balls properly tested before the game?  With the NFL using mashed-up officiating crews during the postseason, it’s possible that certain procedures fell through the cracks.  Before assuming foul play by the Patriots, it’s important to rule out error by the officials.

Fourth, how big of a factor was the weather?  As noted in a prior post, the ideal gas law controls the operation of the gases that were inside the football.  When the temperature drops, pressure drops.  That’s why, in the winter months, we inevitably have to put air in our tires.  The air isn’t leaking out; when the car is kept in the cold, the pressure inside the tire reduces.  (It’s also why modern cars with automatic in-tire pressure sensors show the pressure increase as the car and its tires heat up with use.)  Although it was a relatively balmy 51 degrees at kickoff on Sunday, a ball inflated to 12.5 PSI in a 72-degree locker room will necessarily experience a decrease in pressure with a 21-degree temperature drop.

Fifth, what was the in-game pressure of the Colts footballs?  If the temperature caused the pressure in the New England balls to drop, it would have happened with the Indianapolis balls, too.  At a minimum, it’s an important comparison that, if it wasn’t done, should have been.

Sixth, how was the chain of custody maintained?  If the NFL plans to conclude that the Patriots did something to the balls absent a confession from someone who deliberately deflated them, it becomes critical to show that no one other than Patriots employees had possession of or access to the balls from the time they were given to the ball attendant until the moment they were taken out of the game.  It also will be important to show that, once the balls were taken out of the game, no one other than game officials or other league employees had access to the balls.

Seventh, how widespread is the practice?  Even if the NFL determines the Patriots deliberately removed air from the footballs, it’s impossible to properly assess the level and degree of “cheating” without considering whether and to what extent others do it.  Maybe most teams do it, which would help explain why the officials didn’t notice it.

Eighth, should the NFL want pristine, fully-inflated footballs?  The NFL wants teams to score points.  With not enough competent quarterbacks to fill up the depth charts of 32 NFL teams, maybe the officials and, in turn, the league routinely look the other way on strategies aimed at allowing the quarterbacks to better grip and throw the footballs.  Why else would the league have changed the procedures in 1999 for kicking balls only?

These issues, and probably others, need to be considered before taking Mortensen’s report and concluding that it means Don Shula was right.  Hopefully, the NFL’s investigation will account for these potential variables both in the investigation and in the eventual public explanation of it.

245 responses to “Many questions linger regarding “Deflategate”

  1. Taking everything into consideration, I think a loss of their 1st round in this years draft, a fine of $500,000 and a ban of BB for 1 year is fair.

    On top of that, the league NEEDS to do this before the Super Bowl, preferably this week, to try an retain whatever little credibility it has left with it’s fans.

  2. the Patriots outscored the Colts 28-0 after the questionable balls were removed from the game.. another pathetic witch hunt

  3. Patriots fans are the worst in sports. Always so sensitive and immediately jumping to defend the integrity of the coach and organization. Yes patriots fans, the under inflated balls probably didn’t help you win against the colts. But you still cheated, and probably cheated against the Ravens in the divisional round. If you are willing to cheat in the afc championship game, chances are you have never stopped it and have been cheating all along since spygate. Patriots fans, this is the only reason people hate you. They don’t envy your fake dynasty. They are not jealous of accomplishments gained through cheating. They hate you because of your delusional attitude to it, complete ignorance of it, and stubbornness to admit the truth. Your dynasty is a sham built of cheating and lies.

    Other teams fans envy our teams players. Other teams players envy our teams fans. #choochoohawksdynastytrain
    #12thmanisheretostay #dynastybeforeyoureyes #kissthering

  4. Seriously, you just can’t make this stuff up. If Pats found guilty I could see Big Bill takin’ a year off like Payton…..

  5. No no no,

    #1 Why the heck doesn’t the league provide the footballs in the first place!

    When there is gray area guys like Belichick will get the maximum out of the gray area. And then its “Well is it cheating or isnt it?”

    The NFL is STRUGGLING to get to the end of this year.

  6. The fact that the balls were replaced by halftime after which the Colts were outscored 28-0 tells you how much of an issue this really is.

    This is a non story, everyone does it and it only gets blown up because a) the Pats have a history of cheating and b) it’s the Super Bowl coming up. None of these reasons should really matter in determening how severe this is.

    Let’s talk about actual football.

  7. Seventh, what was the motivation of the NFL (or less likely, Patriots) for leaking the letter from the league. The limited information leaked (11/12) certainly makes the Patriots look bad. Was that the intent, or was the intent to set the audience to think the worse and ultimately find it is not as bad as intially thought?

  8. Seventh.. Did this go on during the divisional game. Deflated balls had none to little affect during game against Colts as it was a blow out but the Ravens game was pretty close. With that said, something as what could be viewed as minor may have had a part with regards to the outcome of that game.

  9. Wanna bet the league will either throw the officials under the bus or use the temperature change theory in order to get rid of the controversy before the super bowl?

  10. Even when I played high school football the ball never felt deflated during the rain, and I was a center. They just got caught. No need for physics or writing a thesis on the effect of atmospheric pressure or a Gronk spike on the PSI of a football.

  11. Were the Colts’ balls tested for deflation as well? Wouldn’t the comparison of the drop in PSI between the balls of the two teams confirm or eliminate the weather factor? If the majority of the Colts’ balls were also under-inflated, then it strengthen the argument the weather cause the deflation. If all of the Colts’ balls were properly inflated, then it would lend further credence to the Patriots cheating.

  12. First off, rogers already admitting to over I flaring his balls to answer your question on if other teams do it, Eli mannings equip manager said he works on balls for weeks prior to games. It only becomes a story which the pats, and the proof of that is that rogers admitted doing it!!!

    And the most important note which all media seems to have forgotten, this may have nothing to do with belichek, a coach doesn’t change a ball for his qb, a. Qb changes the ball for himself.

    It’s very possible belichk and other coaches have nothing to do with this and it’s being driven by the qbs

  13. We don’t have time for rational questions and investigations! There’s blood in the water, we must persecute the heretics! Any accusation is equivalent to guilt when it comes to the Patriots! Drag them into the street and execute them!

  14. As a Pats fan, I can’t tell you how upsetting all this is. We have one of the best QBs and HCs of all-time and we constantly resort to petty maneuvers to gain an fraction of an advantage. It’s pathetic! It’s an embarrassment to the entire region! You can’t talk about the Pats without bringing up their scandals. Now us Pat fans get to more of it, in the midst of a Super Bowl run no less! Why can’t we just line up and play with integrity? It’s a shame. The success they’ve had is tarnished in the eyes of the public.

  15. Of course it’s a common practice. Unfortunately we live in an over-sensitive, over-sensationalized society now where something so trivial turns into a witch hunt. This whole thing is such a joke.

  16. All fair questions.

    I am a life long Patriots fan and if the Patriots are found to have broke the rules then they should be punished.

    But people are getting ahead of themselves.

    The NFL hasn’t even finished the investigation yet.

    Is there proof that the Patriots deflated the balls?

    Is there proof that Bill knew?

    What if Tom told the ball boys to take air out?

    Where the Colts balls checked to adjust for weather conditions? (Graham Gano complained of deflated balls in his playoff game this year)

    And finally why did no one care when Rodgers openly admitted to inflating the footballs beyond the allowed PSI?

  17. Once the rest of the evidence comes in and the Patriots are found guilty. It should be simple that any coaches (Belicheat, McDaniels) or personnel (BallBoy, Kraft) that were behind this needs to be banned from the NFL for Life all players (Brady, Gronk, LaFell, Blount etc) behind this should receive a minimum of a one year suspension.. Anything else is a joke. Do you have the Balls to do it Roger?

    Anyone making excuses at this point has lost all sight of the real issue and is just a Patsie fan boy. And if anyone thinks this is the first time the Pat have done this I say get real. The Cheatroits need to be smacked down because they have tarnished the league with this crap once again.

  18. The eleven deflated balls were detected at halftime. Did the officials corrected the problem for the second half or did they remained deflated?

  19. Although it was a relatively balmy 51 degrees at kickoff on Sunday, a ball inflated to 13.5 PSI in a 72-degree locker room will necessarily experience a decrease in pressure with a 21-degree temperature drop.
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    EXACTLY, and what if the Pats started the ball at 12.5 PSI as allowed by the rules? They would DEFINITELY be underinflated. Also, it was 51 degrees at game time, but the temperature dropped more as the game went on.

  20. All you have to see is how the Pats will risk injuring Brady to go over the 50 points mark. They push to the limits regardless of the risks and that includes cheating. It’s a dame the best Quality and coach in the game tarnish their own legacy.

  21. Playing at home against a team they were quite obviously better than. But they just couldn’t let things play out fairly. Just HAD to go for some extra little advantage. Sad, really.

  22. Its not an issue… Bellichick should be banned. Kraft should be suspended. Pats should lose all 2015 draft picks. Next time… they have to fold. Enough is enough with this cheating franchise. If a ball boy or the refs have to take the blame… then the fix is in. Its time to be a man for a change Goodell… come down on the cheaters or NFL has no credibility.

  23. I was wondering how Vinatieri missed a fg that bad…I’ve never seen the HOFamer miss a fg by 20 feet…The patriots took that good field position and turned it into 14-0 instead of it being 7-3…big difference, no? And cribbs misjudging that punt was suspicious too…ended up setting up the Pats 1st td…

  24. Of course they shouldn’t look the other way and allow this outrage to continue. If they did, they’d better allow refs to let DBs get physical with receivers again like before, or else they are openly declaring their intent for defenses to die off.

  25. If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.

    The Patriots try harder than anyone. They keep getting caught trying, though. You aren’t supposed to get caught trying.

  26. I didn’t receive your invitation. That being said, I think that the Patriots deliberately deflated the footballs in order to give Brady a better grip (Brady already confirmed that he prefers footballs with lower PSI). Now the NFL honchos should fine the team by pulling their first and second draft picks this year and next year.

  27. 1. With officials having PTSD over blown calls, I am sure the PSI rating of the balls wasn’t something they were concerned with
    2. an under inflated ball feels different to a Ref than it does some gym rat who manhandles people all day.
    3. good question, should be easily answered.
    4. Weather plays in a factor if the other teams balls were also under inflated, but weather doesn’t explain the 1 ball that was inflated properly
    5. Doesn’t matter the chain of command, your team, your, you are responsible of every aspect (Ref Bountygate)
    6.Irrelevant, See bountygate
    7?. NFl should want everyone playing with the same equipment to eliminate the shady winners and the sore losers.

  28. The only QBs with issues regarding properly inflated game balls would be guys with small hands, like Bridgewater, who have a hard time gripping a normal ball. That’s why he wears gloves….for the grip.

  29. It’s interesting everyone is tying this to Bill Belichick, using the Belicheat slur, but let’s be real, the primary benefactor and the person with the highest motivation to request and desire this change is Tom Brady. Belichick isn’t throwing the ball and has no motivation to make the alteration to the balls unless Brady wants it. It is entirely Brady’s call.

  30. Could the Patriots have used heated air to inflate the balls knowing that once in the field of play would slightly deflate given the desired effect……As the deflation occurred naturally (although intentionally)this would mean no rules were broken….the rule states the ball can’t be altered after inspection which in this theory doesn’t happen.

    Bubba

  31. 8. How long after the game were the under-inflated balls discovered? Or were they discovered during the actual game?

    9. Were any Colts balls re-tested like the Pats balls apparently were?

    10. Will any penalty given to the Pats also be given to the Packers, since their QB stated he also purposely messes with the inflation?

  32. How wide spread the practice is should not matter. At all. Using the “well he did it, so I can do it too” logic is a total fail, especially if you are using that to justify a minimal punishment. If anything you would expect the league to take a firm stance in order to, more or less, scare teams into not doing this, in the event others actually are.

    My bigger issue is with the refs. It’s not like the balls tested at 13.5 then 11 of 12 came back tested at 12.4, slightly under the PSI required. 2psi is a sizable drop. How the refs did not notice?

  33. Sixth, how widespread is the practice? Even if the NFL determines the Patriots deliberately removed air from the footballs, it’s impossible to properly assess the level and degree of “cheating” without considering whether and to what extent others do it. Maybe most teams do it, which would help explain why the officials didn’t notice it.

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    We all knew this one was coming. The “out” for the Patriots. We don’t have to prove that anyone else was cheating, we just need to suggest that everyone else was cheating to make the team that got caught look better.

    From my point of view, it doesn’t matter. If you catch more teams doing it, punish them as well. If they punish bad behavior instead of excuse it, it will go away.

    The reason Belichek is still here doing it is because they basically excused it last time.

    It’s the same thing in corporate US. The guys who get caught doing small time crimes get made examples of. If you steal 100’s of millions, you get bailed out.

  34. So, guys – is Aaron Rodgers a cheater too? Because he flat out said that he likes his balls over inflated because they’re easier to grip and throw.

    Why are we forgetting the fact that the balls were changed after the half? In the first half with the “under inflated balls” the best thing the Pats were doing was running the ball. Brady barely threw, got picked off and failed to reach the end zone late in the half. The blowout came about in the second with normal game balls.

    if the colts balls were normal, what’s their excuse? The Pats D dominated, and their receivers had stone hands out there.

    Say what ya want, stop letting this foolish “Pats are cheaters” talk discredit the truth and what they did on Sunday.

  35. Players fake all the time to draw penalties. Coaches scream all the time to try to get the opposing team penalized (except for Harbaugh – he get his team in trouble). Its up to the referees and NFL to make it work. NFL and referees check the game balls before all games and they were supposed to fix issues if any. Even if Pats deflated the balls so be it. Then they shouldn’t provide towels to wipe the balls, everyone should play with wet balls. This is ridiculous and I hope PATS don’t get distracted.

    GO PATS!!!

  36. ^^^^ it was raining really hard that day and was windy. Are you surprised that a 40 year old missed a 50 yarder in that climate? Also, Cribbs muffed a punt last week, and also that damn punt bounced off HIS HELMET. Cut it out.

  37. The NFL should be testing every single ball used (or expected to be used) in that game — including the Colts’. And that’s just to establish a baseline for assessing the rest of these issues. Given how poorly they’ve handled various other recent investigations I have no confidence they’ll do this in any sort of forensically reliable way.

  38. Unless I’m missing something, al of the defalted balls came from the Patriots supply. That would seem to rule out the refs or chain of custody errors. As the bals while provided by different teams, are not controlled by different groups, just 1 person correct?

  39. As a Pat’s fan since 1970, I am holding out hope that there is a logical, fair mistake that was made by someone other than a Patriot employee.
    If, by chance, this was an attempt to cheat….well damn….I don’t know what I will do.
    I can’t pull for another team.
    I will just switch to hockey only, I guess.

    Let this just be some weird mistake. I will be totally disappointed if this plays out the way that I don’t want it to.

  40. Part of me wants to say “Look, Aaron Rodgers and a bunch of other plays have all noted they like balls that are over or under inflated!”. I’ve been a life-long Patriots fan, literally, I was born after week 1 of the 1981 season and I’ve never missed a game. When I was little my dad would pull me out of my crib, and one of my earliest memories is of watching the Patriots face the Cowboys and my dad saying “pay attention,this may be the only game they win all year” as my best friend and I sat there watching. He was right. The Patriots to me are more than just a sports team; their rise coincided with me going away to college, going out into the world, starting my career. That’s what it really means to be a fan of a team, it’s not just a sport anymore, it’s a part of your life; something you take solace in when you’re feeling down, and something that gets you pumped up even more when you’re things are going well. I remember in 2003 or so I hit a rough patch and saying to myself “well, at least I saw the Pats win some super bowls”, and it genuinely made me feel a little bit better.

    After Spygate I was a bit leery of just how different what the Pats were doing from the rest of the league; I remember Jimmy Johnson saying the Cowboys had done similar stuff over the years. You don’t want to believe what your team did was so bad, I mean sports can be such a big part of someone’s life, you don’t want to be rooting (along with your friends) for a team that’s shady or cheating.

    But this time, my first thought “Why are they doing this? How are they getting caught again??” It sounds stupid, but it hurts in a way. This is a team that I associate with my friends, my dad that I still talk to after almost every game, and just my life in general. When stuff like this keeps happening it doesn’t just mean a team cheated, it means a whole group of people that passionately support the team have in a way been robbed. I’m not just annoyed, I’m genuinely bummed out. The super bowl is coming up, this should be one of my happiest times of the year, and for the first time in my life I’m actually not sure how excited I am to watch the next Patriots game.

  41. I agree with Bubba (first time in my life I’ve said that). If I was Bill, I would have the balls inflated to the minimum required pressure of 12.5 psi in a room with the thermostat cranked to 90°F. Have them tested and approved in the same room, then bring them outside and let the temperature differential do the work for you. All nice and neat and within the rules.

  42. Few points for the those ignorant to the facts:

    A) Each team has their own balls so the Patriots would have no access to the Colts balls.

    B) The refs hold onto the kicking balls and they are separate from the 12 game balls that the individual teams are allowed to mess with.

    So those suggesting that the Patriots may have had something to do with the Colts struggles in the kicking game are just being silly.

  43. Non Pats fan here. This did not affect the outcome of the game, (see Legarrette Blount, 3 td’s) whatsoever.
    However, its gonna be a long 2 weeks and you couldn’t ask for a better story.

  44. Why can’t the balls be checked every time just before they go into play out on the field? As soon as their is a change of possession the ball could be checked on the sidelines by an NFL official and be adjusted and easily ready for the next change of possession. Not rocket science.

  45. Curious; did the league also test the 12 balls that the Colts were using during the game as a comparison (after the game)?

    Also, if the balls are tested before the game and they were within spec that would mean that the ballboy, or someone else in full view of the sidelines leaked air out of 11 of the 12 balls (after league inspection) to bring those balls under spec by exactly 2 lbs. So, forget about the kid sprinting up and down the sidelines doing his job rotating the balls in and out of the game with the ref’s – he’s definitely more busy than a fair weather game because it is pouring rain, which leads to a more aggressive ball rotation. And he gets the time to sit there on the sidelines with 11 balls lined up and a gauge to help get them down to exactly 10.5 psi and then he puts them back in play? He couldn’t of done this at the half because this took place before the half. Maybe he hid in plain sight under a poncho on the sidelines to do this for 10 minutes to deflate the balls and the refs didn’t notice or rotate a ball during that window? Ok. Sure.

  46. More Questions:

    1) If tested prior to the game, were the results for each ball documented? Is so, what were the PSI readings for the Patriots’ balls at the start of the game? for the Colts’ balls?

    2) Were all the balls tested?

    3) When were the balls turned over to the League? Under what conditions were the balls stored prior to being turned over? Same questions for the Colts balls (if they were turned over – and if they were, were they tested and what were those results? Starting PSI would be important to note)

    4) Knowing that the investigation was coming could the Colts have inflated their balls to required PSI prior to turning them over?

    5) What is the failure rate of Wilson footballs with regard to valve stems, bladder, stitching? Did the Colts’ balls and Patriots’ balls come from the same production run?

    6) What is the rate of decrease in pressure for a ball inflated to 12.5 PSI vs 13.5 PSI?

  47. Its been reported that teams have to supply 24 balls for bad weather games. What does the report only address 12? Does that mean the 12 balls used after halftime were fine?

  48. Nothing is going to happen to them, yes science will most likely win out,so they can move on quickly. And the league looks like the big dummies once again. This is on the league and its officials. Once again the league only cares about the money coming in and nothing else. Even if every member of the patriots roster and front office said they intentionally deflated balls, what is the league going to do, put the Colts in the super bowl? Oh no, fine Kraft 1 million dollars( chump change to him), take away a first round pick…all of that in exchange for a 4th Lombardi, think the Boston fan base will be just fine with that.

  49. I was wondering how Vinatieri missed a fg that bad…I’ve never seen the HOFamer miss a fg by 20 feet…The patriots took that good field position and turned it into 14-0 instead of it being 7-3…big difference, no? And cribbs misjudging that punt was suspicious too…ended up setting up the Pats 1st td…

    Hey moron they use different balls to kick field goals and punt. Let’s get educated before you start posting.

  50. A few more questions need to be answered before we come to conclusions. Like when did the NFL take the balls and examine them? If they are saying 11 out of 12 balls are underinflated after a game then that makes sense. The balls are constantly being rotated in and out and after the wear and tear of a professional game it makes sense the balls will be underinflated.

    Also, the source is saying the balls were underinflated by 2 lbs. The balls by regulation have to be between 12.5 – 13.5 psi. So are we subtracting 2 from 13.5 or from 12.5? If its the 13.5 and the balls that were checked at 11.5 psi then it not unfathomable to say that the balls lost psi through having a change in the temp which was explained in the article and through the wear and tear of the game.

    Another big thing to discuss is that when Aaron Rogers comes out and says he over inflates them and waits to see if the refs catch it how is that not the same issue as this? How come this is now being brought up and that was not? If the Pats did something illegal then of course they should be punished but lets be fair here. The rules cant only apply to the Pats and not the Aaron and whomever else prefers over inflated or under inflated balls.

  51. Belicheck and Brady had a chance to win a title without the cloud if Spygate. They could have gotten the cheater label to be a side note on their careers. Now this. Never fear. Goodell will reward Bill by naming tge AFC championship after him.

  52. The NFL continues its downward spiral. Mark Cuban is laughing..

    I particularly like point 8. With the lack of professional QBs, maybe it’s time to replace the ball altogether. It’s Nerf or nothing!

  53. igornathanhiggers says: Jan 21, 2015 9:00 AM

    >>>I was wondering how Vinatieri missed a fg that bad…<<<<

    You do realize that the balls in question were only used by the Patriots on offense. The one Adam V missed was a COLTS ball………

  54. My bigger issue is with the refs. It’s not like the balls tested at 13.5 then 11 of 12 came back tested at 12.4, slightly under the PSI required. 2psi is a sizable drop. How the refs did not notice?

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    actually that is a negligible difference. you could never tell which one is which.

  55. So, yeah…The Colts game was a blowout, but last week if I recall correctly..it was a very close game with the Ravens. Makes you wonder….Also makes you wonder about Billy Cundiff 3 years ago…
    Also- what have they done and NOT gotten caught doing?? The Patriots are not legit. Probably never have been. The HC(Head Cheater) should be suspended for the next game.

  56. What kills me is that Patriots fans still think this is some giant conspiracy theory because they are just too good and everyone is jealous. I’ve got news for them, this is twice now that there is indisputable evidence that Belichick is guilty of at a minimum trying to gain a competetive advantage. How many times will be enough to at least consider that maybe he is a bit of a cheater?

    My questions are this: How long has this been going on? How many other things has Belichick done to gain a competitive advantage? Things of that nature.

  57. Ninth: Why were the stories involving Rodgers, the Vikings/Panthers, Brad Johnson, and doubtless many many more so significantly underreported in comparison.

    Tenth: How often are balls found to be under/overinflated. Weekly? Yearly? First time ever?

  58. “From my point of view, it doesn’t matter. If you catch more teams doing it, punish them as well. If they punish bad behavior instead of excuse it, it will go away.”

    So what do you suppose the league does about Eli Manning and Aaron Rodgers who recently openly admitted to adjusting the balls to their liking and even pushing it beyond the allowed limits?

    Bottom line, and people won’t like this opinion because it doesn’t fit their agenda, but this is a league wide issue and Bill Polian said it yesterday the only way to fix this league issue is to just simply not allow the teams access to the game balls before hand. Just keep the game balls with the refs. End of issue.

  59. negativten says:
    Jan 21, 2015 9:11 AM
    Non Pats fan here. This did not affect the outcome of the game, (see Legarrette Blount, 3 td’s) whatsoever.
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    Notice Blount didn’t fumble once and Brady threw a few TD’s. Just saying.

  60. Two things:

    1 – On Mike & Mike, Greenie said he couldn’t feel the difference between a football at 9 psi and 13 psi. HOWEVER, pro players have been open about the advantage of having softer balls. The refs placing the balls weren’t throwing or catching them so they probably wouldn’t notice. Nor are they pros used to the difference a few psi make in plays. D’Qwell Jackson is, so it makes sense he would notice when on the receiving end of a pass.

    2 – The ideal gas law shows exactly why there’s shenanigans going on here. Even if it was 80 degrees in the equipment room, assuming the balls were at 12.5 psi when they were filled, the temperature would have had to -20 degrees just to get the pressure down to around 10 psi. Assuming they were at the proper pressure at any point, THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT TEMPERATURE OR ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS COULD BE THE REASON FOR THE DEFLATED BALLS.

  61. To many questions still to be answered before a proper punishment is handed down (if at all) easy to speculate, but we don’t know who knew what or who did what.

  62. Tampering with equipment to gain an unfair advantage cannot be tolerated. Like Antonio Margarito packing his knuckles with plastercast, banned for a year.

  63. 10. Will any penalty given to the Pats also be given to the Packers, since their QB stated he also purposely messes with the inflation?
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    Rodgers like the balls inflated to the maximum PSI allowed per rules, but yeah, let’s keep the rationalization of the cheating coming

  64. I’m sorry but a 13psi football is not going to drop 2psi in 51 degree weather. My car tires at 33psi barely drop at 0 degrees. And even if it did drop that much, there have been much colder games for as long as they have been playing football and this is the first time this has come up?

  65. The league may have a standard range of pressure for the footballs, but do they have a protocol for dealing with infractions? It doesn’t sound like they do.

    To my way of thinking, there should be a procedure established during games for dealing with this. If Indianapolis suspects the ball is deflated, they report it to the official. The game is stopped and the measurement occurs. If the ball doesn’t meet standards, a penalty is imposed immediately. Perhaps the coach is tossed, (not unlike a baseball manager), and a penalty is called. If the ball meets standards, a delay of game penalty to the accuser.
    Further action could be taken from the league after a review.

    In the 1993 NHL hockey finals, Montreal coach Jacques Demers called for the measurement of Marty McSorley’s hockey stick late in the final period of game 2. The referee stopped the game to measure the curve of the stick. It did not meet NHL standards and a penalty resulted. Trailing by 1, Montreal scored with the man advantage, and later scored to win the game. Many commentators believe the measurement of the stick turned the series around.

    The point I would make,therefore, is that a clear protocol was in place to deal with the issue.

  66. any other yr this would be….whatever. But this yr saw the nfl screw up the ray rice and peterson issues and have watched the integrity of the nfl called into issue over terrible officiating in the playoffs. the nfl has to do something strong here. just A fine will not do. Look for a bounty gate type suspension for bellicheck, a huge fine for kraft, and loss of several high draft picks.

  67. Spygate, Deflategate!! Whats next Beligate? Its ashame the patriots have put themselves in this position. They are a disgrace to the game of football. God-ell needs to come down hard on them. By that I mean not docking a later draft pick and some pocket change from the owner.

  68. I did the calculation to measure the impact of the temperature. If the balls were inflated to 12.5 psi at room temperature, they would deflate to 11.9 psi at 48 deg F.

  69. People pointing out Rodgers should know he never said he played in games with a ball inflated beyond the NFL tolerance range. He’s probably tried throwing balls of various PSI and concluded he liked higher numbers and would like the high number changed, not that he’s currently breaking the rules.

  70. accipiterq, don’t let it bother you. Its just the lazy people in society today. Its far easier to label someone a cheater than it is to look at yourself and wonder what you could do better to improve. That’s just how it is now. people are simply lazy. As far as this “scandal”, the only thing im concerned with is seeing a chain of command for the ball handling and I would like to know why the balls were allowed to be used if they were illegal. I would also want to make sure all other teams are held to the same standard… that includes The Packers after Rodgers admitting he over inflates the balls. I do not trust the league after the excessive spygate punishment and the poor overall explanation and im sure

  71. The math will be important here. The balls were tested in a 70 degree environment. Here is the best explanation of the math I have found yet:

    Given the conditions of the game, a ball which meets specifications in the locker room could easily lose enough pressure to be considered under-inflated. Some math:

    Guy-Lussac’s Law describes the relationship between the pressure of a confined ideal gas and its temperature. For the sake of argument, we will assume that the football is a rigid enough container (unless a ball is massively deflated, it’s volume won’t change). The relationship is (P1/T1) = (P2/T2), where P is the pressure and T is the temperature in Kelvins.

    The balls are inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 psi at a temperature of 70 degrees Farenheit (294.1 K). Let’s assume an average ball has a pressure of 13 psi. Since these are initial values, we will call them P1 and T1.
    The game time temperature was 49 degrees F (278 K). We are attempting to solve for the new pressure at this temperature, P2. We plug everything into the equation and get (13/294.1) = (P2/278). At the game time temperature, the balls would have a pressure of 12.3 psi, below league specifications.

    *Furthermore, given that it was raining all day, the air in the stadium was saturated with water vapor. At 70 degrees, water has a vapor pressure of 0.38 psi. The total pressure of the ball is equal to the pressure of the air inside the ball and the vaporized water in the ball. At 49 degrees, the vapor pressure of water is 0.13 psi. Up to 0.25 additional psi can be lost if the balls were inflated by either the team or the refs prior to the game. Granted, it’s unlikely that anyone would inflate balls from 0, but it easily could cost another couple hundredths of a psi in pressure.

    For a ball that barely meets specifications (12.5 psi), it’s pressure would drop to 11.8 psi during the game… enough to be considered massively underinflated.

    ——-
    So if the numbers come back significantly lower than this, one can assume some type of tampering. This is why I think it is incredibly important that the league did a thorough investigation and also tested the Colts’ footballs as a means of comparison in the same environment.

  72. I am sure that balls will lose pressure throughout the game (use, pig piles, temperature change, Gronk spikes), so what is the normal pressure at the end of the game, which is when these 11 balls were measured to be under inflated? Did the NFL measure the before and after pressures of the Colts or other team’s balls?​

  73. Pats fan here. Definitely bothered by this situation. They didn’t need to do it. Still love my team, but won’t get pissed at the haters anymore.

  74. Of course the pressure in the balls had nothing to do with the Pats winning THIS game. But obviously this isn’t the first time they decided to do this. It certainly may have helped them against the Ravens though. The Colts were on the lookout for this because they had found two under inflated balls from Brady interceptions in the regular season game. The Pats have been doing this for at least this season if not for years.

  75. If I recall, there was a stoppage in play that seemed to be centered around the ball. Nantz asked rules analyst Mike Carey what it could be about – I didn’t get what his answer was. Anybody else remember that?

  76. I’m getting the vibe that the Seahawks are going to roll the Pats, and make Brady look like Manning did last year.

  77. I love how the only two options in dealing with the referees were they didn’t notice or they felt the same. It surely couldn’t be that they let it happen because its the Patriots. Just like all the penalties and calls Brady gets. That definitely can not be the case…. Way to explore all the possibilities as always PFT. You love Belicheat just as much as the Refs

  78. Good points from trevor190 there. I think it’s also important to clearly explain exactly what the current policy is in regards to how many balls each team supplies and when they are used. This would help us better understand how it might’ve affected this game. For example, are we talking only about the balls that the NE offense used? Typically, kicking balls are kept separate, so deflated balls might not have been in play for the missed FG or the muffed punt.

  79. I refuse to call it deflategate. Adding gate to the end of word to describe scandal is just lame. Try being original.

  80. People claiming that filling the balls in the locker room would account for the difference are wrong.

    It would take a 100 degree temperature drop for a 12.5 psi ball filled in an 80 degree room to drop to anywhere close to 10 psi. It was not -20 degrees during the game.

  81. Buccaneers QB admits to paying $7500 to ball boys to get all Super Bowl balls exactly how he wants it. No one cares. (except maybe the opposing QB who threw 5 interceptions that game)

    Packers QB admits to trying to get overinflated balls past the officials. No one cares.

    On a cool rainy night, 11 of 12 balls were below standards that referees had admitted into the game. Balls the refs allowed on the field. People call for Belichick to be fired, despite 0 evidence that he did anything. People call for the Patriots to lose draft picks, despite 0 evidence that they did anything.

    …and as far as that competitive advantage. Should we slow down and investigate how the Patriots did before and after the refs asked for better ball?

  82. The NFL’s approach to balls leads me to believe that they just didn’t care about the state of the balls that much. Why else would they let people like Eli go through month-long ball-prep procedures? In fact, it might be those procedures that cause the balls to leak slightly faster, as the integrity of the ball is broken down. From potential-MVP Rodgers’ admission of trying to sneak over-inflated balls past the refs, to the refs not really noticing during the game (until the Colts complained), it really seems like this was a rule they just didn’t care that much about; it was probably more like cops and the speed limit: be reasonable. Now the Colts have complained to their media friend, who’s pushed the issue, and the NFL now has to figure out how to say “We just didn’t care that much about ball condition.”

  83. If the Patriots are punished,then half of the league should be punished too. Also, ban receivers from wearing gloves,spiking the ball, and on and on. If the NFL is going to open this can of worms,open it all the way. Where will it end? They are ruining the lead-up to the Super Bowl with this garbage. Remember,Troy Vincent and company MUST protect the integrity of the NFL. What a joke.

  84. Looking forward to watching Belichick squirm under questioning about this for the next week and a half.

  85. Article full of excuses.

    The refs don’t squeeze the ball every play – maybe they should.

    The balls weren’t tested in cold weather and if a ball loses pressure because of cold it’s gained back when it’s warmed up. In other words it was likely even less inflated during the game due to cold.

    Regardless the ball doesn’t lose 2 pds due to cold.

    THIS EXPLAINS BRADY’S MIRACULOUS TURNAROUND AFTER A TERRIBLE START TO THE SEASON.

  86. i think this may put to bed the notion that belichick is the greatest coach in nfl history. he’ll still have ZERO superbowls where he didn’t get caught cheating.

    why can’t he cover his tracks better. most teams are probably cheating one way or another. only the patriots are dumb enough (or arrogant enough) to keep getting caught.

    stupid.

  87. The game balls of the Colts were also checked and none were found to be out of range.

    ———————-
    “This is a non story, everyone does it and it only gets blown up because a) the Pats have a history of cheating and b) it’s the Super Bowl coming up. None of these reasons should really matter in determening how severe this is.

    Let’s talk about actual football.”

    ———————-
    All Bonds did was to inject liquid into his veins. Let’s talk about baseball.

  88. “Simplest explanation: The officials either didn’t notice that the balls were underinflated or the balls felt no different than they do in other games.”
    _________________________________________
    -or-

    Perhaps, just perhaps the officials had a little incentive to “not notice something different in the equipment they handle all year long”.

  89. The math will be important here. The balls were tested in a 70 degree environment. Here is the best explanation of the math I have found yet:

    Given the conditions of the game, a ball which meets specifications in the locker room could easily lose enough pressure to be considered under-inflated. Some math:

    Guy-Lussac’s Law describes the relationship between the pressure of a confined ideal gas and its temperature. For the sake of argument, we will assume that the football is a rigid enough container (unless a ball is massively deflated, it’s volume won’t change). The relationship is (P1/T1) = (P2/T2), where P is the pressure and T is the temperature in Kelvins.

    The balls are inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 psi at a temperature of 70 degrees Farenheit (294.1 K). Let’s assume an average ball has a pressure of 13 psi. Since these are initial values, we will call them P1 and T1.
    The game time temperature was 49 degrees F (278 K). We are attempting to solve for the new pressure at this temperature, P2. We plug everything into the equation and get (13/294.1) = (P2/278). At the game time temperature, the balls would have a pressure of 12.3 psi, below league specifications.

    *Furthermore, given that it was raining all day, the air in the stadium was saturated with water vapor. At 70 degrees, water has a vapor pressure of 0.38 psi. The total pressure of the ball is equal to the pressure of the air inside the ball and the vaporized water in the ball. At 49 degrees, the vapor pressure of water is 0.13 psi. Up to 0.25 additional psi can be lost if the balls were inflated by either the team or the refs prior to the game. Granted, it’s unlikely that anyone would inflate balls from 0, but it easily could cost another couple hundredths of a psi in pressure.

    For a ball that barely meets specifications (12.5 psi), it’s pressure would drop to 11.8 psi during the game… enough to be considered massively underinflated.
    ================

    Good analysis but flawed for three reasons.

    1. The balls weren’t tested in 49 degree temps and your same formula tells us that when they’re warmed back up, they regain their initial PSI.

    2. Though there was moisture, moist air wasn’t what was used to fill the balls and it can’t jus “seep in”

    3. The balls were reported to be TWO POUNDS underweight, which means, based on your math, they were actually more underweight during the games.

  90. Carey said he thought the refs might have accidentally left the kicking ball out there as it is treated differently than the regular play footballs. I also wondered at the time what the stoppage was for because I had never seen a pause in play that long without an injury or clock issue.

  91. Simple question. Were the Colts balls deflated? If no knows or they were deflated then end of story. If they were not then it’s on Patriots

  92. These guys have been at it again. Apparently fines and lost draft picks are not enough to discourage this behavior. The league needs to get tougher. As a result, the Patriot players should be forced to play in the PRO BOWL. Belichick would coach it. And they have to act like they are as happy as clams to be to be there (such an honor to be selected, I love this Carter vs Irvin concept it rocks…). John Gruden could spend much of the game telling bad jokes about how Brady likes his balls….
    That ought to do it.

  93. Pregame inspection and custody, in-game maintenance and post game verification if needed are league responsibilities so IF anyone intentionally altered any balls the league, not the Patriots [or the Colts] have some issues and explaining to do.

  94. The facts are fact. And they are the following

    1. The league has rules and regulations to create a level playing field. The Patriots took it upon themselves to change a regulation to benefit them. Period. And the Packers should have consequences as well. Period.

    2. Belechick has always and will always bend the rules because the fines and loss of draft picks are minor compared to winning the Super Bowl..

    I just consider myself lucky this isn’t my coach and my team. When we look back on them 20 years from now in doubt, they will have no one to blame from themselves. No one can really take them seriously. They are a joke.

  95. I am willing to bet a ton of money that while weather does in fact affect the balls, it didn’t do so by a FULL 2 psi.

    You’ve also got to compare that with the Colts balls. Were they 2 psi lower than when checked 2 hours before kickoff?

  96. Conspiring minds want to know??? How wide spread is this? How did no one notice until an interception? Why if true, did the Patriots offer full cooperation and access ultimately the NFL officials who checked and handeled the balls throughout the game from BOTH teams didn’t notice any differences at all or if they did as you said just kept it quiet!!! The game was never in any doubt as to who was the better team, 45-7 with 28-0 after the half and the corrected balls in play, but don’t let the mere fact that Luck and Co. couldn’t run, catch a pass in either half interfere with DEFLATE GATE reporting. I know the haters will try to put an asterisk next to the Patriots for life and eternity, knowing how conspiracy theorists react to simple info and extrapolate umpteen different reasons to hate even more vehemently and excrete more bile and inuendo will rain from the heavens until they’re totals are all redacted from the record books.

  97. Any of you scientists saying the dramatic drop in PSI is not due to the weather, leaves out one very important variable: the fact that the footballs are used, thrown, spiked, gripped, all by some of the largest and strongest men on the planet…..so I don’t think there’s going to be any way to prove the Pats did anything unless there’s concrete proof. There’s no study to show how the PSI of a football is affected by weather & GAME USE.

  98. papagambino says:
    Jan 21, 2015 9:42 AM
    Simple question. Were the Colts balls deflated? If no knows or they were deflated then end of story. If they were not then it’s on Patriots

    — All tested Colts balls were within range.

  99. As far as I know, every other sport uses specific sport authorized balls and both team use the same ball.

    Eliminate the “each team provides their own balls” and you have a level playing field. That a QB prefers a different inflation should not make a difference. It should be “tough luck, this is the approved game ball.

  100. Pats fans, you need to understand that some of this is hate, and some of it is warranted. Your organization has been questioned with close eyes from the league and fans across the league for years now due to Spygate. You’ve been caught once before, and it appears your organization is still up to it’s antics. Do all NFL teams do this? I don’t know, neither do you. Does it make it right or wrong? Well, you guys are the ones acting like angels, what happened to following the rules? Is playing the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills six times a year not enough of an advantage for you?

  101. Ninth, the credibility of the accusation rests solely on a freaking tweet by freaking chris mortensen. I have yet to read HOW the officials would’ve known this 2psi magic number first of all. Secondly, if they knew about it they did nothing about it so even IF the Patriots cheated (which I fully assume has to do with temperature changes)

    Do I think the Patriots have cheated in the past? Absolutely, yes.

    Do I think the Patriots have been given too much leeway by the league? Absolutely, yes.

    Do I think this is blown out of proportion before any hard evidence has been presented and there’s a level of a lynching going on? Absolutely, yes.

    Calm down, people. We know jack squat currently.

  102. Let’s try to address Boyles law that states that Pressure, Temperature and Volume are proportional. A 20 degree temperature drop (in degrees F) equates to approximately 5% different in Kelvin. Thus if the Pats inflated the balls to exactly 12.5 lbs at room temp, we would expect the game balls to be about 11.88 lbs. It sounds like they were lower than that but well see…

    attempting to state facts here….

  103. The reason this is a BIG DEAL to Goodell is because it could impact the Las Vegas line.

    This game was a 45-7 game. Give the Colts 7, 14, 21 points due to “deflate gate” – the only impact that has is on GAMBLING interests – and we know that Goodell places a higher priority on fair gambling over player safety when it comes to injury reporting.

    The cold weather may impact the ball too – but if the balls were filled in a warm environment and then went to the cold, they’d deflate. If they were filled in the cold and went out in the cold – no deflation.

    This is clearly WIDESPREAD though – but Goodell likes to find a scapegoat – and wants to deflect attention from Child Abuse, Spousal Abuse, and Rape allegations – so I expect him to NOT ignore this the way he did for Rodgers and the Packers – but to make this a major scandal because it’s the Patriots.

  104. “People pointing out Rodgers should know he never said he played in games with a ball inflated beyond the NFL tolerance range. He’s probably tried throwing balls of various PSI and concluded he liked higher numbers and would like the high number changed, not that he’s currently breaking the rules.”

    WRONG

    From PFT’s own story yesterday:

    “I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,’” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game.

  105. Absent irrefutable evidence that the Patriots organization intentionally deflated the balls after they were approved by the NFL, there is no issue. If the NFL is concerned with the process they should implement better internal controls. If it proved that the Patriots organization deflated the balls after inspection and approval they should face the consequences. If the latter is true, as a Patriots fan that has defended them, I will feel like Julie Nixon after she defended her father publicly. If the former is true, and the refs give teams wide leeway with the balls, this is a tempest in a teapot.

  106. The officials handle the ball before every play. If non of the refs are doing their job correctly and/or don’t have the gumption to call the Pats out on it, then they share some of the blame too.

    Honestly, this is brilliant strategy on the part of Belichick and it follows the same logic as the ineligible receiver stuff in the BAL game. Push the limits of the rules and force the refs to adjust or call you out on it. Half of the time they won’t

  107. Is this a national security issue or something? There have been 4 articles on this site in the last 12 hours about this.

    Good lord, give it a rest and let’s actually talk about football.

    I think we already have the general idea…Pats appear to have messed with the footballs, league is concerned, fans concerned.

    Only one more article needs to be written and that would be once the investigation is done. Let’s talk super bowl or free agents or something. Not deflated balls.

  108. At the end of the day, it comes down to the fact that the Patriots tried to cheat by giving Brady under inflated balls.

    Whether it affected the game or not or whether another team has done this before is completely irrelevant.

    They got caught trying, time to pay the piper.

  109. Look, I’m pretty sure the Pats would have killed the colts anyway. But, if the Pats were willing to cheat to beat the Colts, what about the Ravens? That was a close game where a dropped ball here or there would have made a difference. A deflated ball is easier to catch, there’s a reason for the rule.

    The problem isn’t only that they were caught cheating in the last game, it’s how many other games were similarly affected? Let’s face it, if it’s proven that they cheated, are we really going to believe this is the first time? Of course not.

    A deflated ball in a really cold game would be a huge advantage. It was less than 20 degrees at the Pats/Ravens game.

    If the NFL truly cares about integrity, everyone who touched a deflated game ball on Sunday should be banned for life from playing in the NFL again. Sends a message, gets the cheaters out. No way a defensive guy noticed the ball was deflated and NO ONE ELSE DID.

  110. One possibility that has not been explored here is that the NFL has given wide leeway to the “ball requirements” to appease quarterbacks that have been getting special treatment from the league for years. Why else would the refs keep control of the kicking balls but not the game balls?

  111. Just more evidence that the NFL needs to have full time, professional referees. The level of incompetence this year has been astounding and if the NFL expects to have any credibility in the future, they need to fix the problem with officiating that has apparently now had some impact on three of the playoff games.

  112. Since 2010 The Seattle Seahawks have had 8 players suspended for PED use…………..is this considered cheating as well? If so then it seems teams are willing to pay the price of 4 games to gain a competitive advantage.
    If the Patriots are guilty of “in game” manipulation of the football then maybe the team felt the listed punishment of $25,000 was worth the risk.
    I don’t like the thought of teams cheating, but maybe the NFL needs to become a little more strict and precise when listing punishments for rule violations.
    They don’t make things severe enough to deter teams from breaking the rules in the first place. It’s like deciding whether or not to exceed the speed limit because you are late for an important event, some people would take the risk of getting pulled over in order to make it on time knowing the fine is only $50.00.
    I think this holds true for PED’s, “home field advantage” like play clock and scoreboard clock manipulation, cold water in opposing showers, heating up footballs on the sidelines etc…

  113. Why on Earth wouldn’t the NFL be in charge of the balls in the first place, and why would they separate the footballs for both teams. I had no idea the teams were in charge of their own footballs …

  114. Let’s face facts: the Patriots are good enough to win with 10 guys on the field. I hate saying that, but it’s true. So why they feel the need for an extra edge for the entire 21st century is beyond me.

  115. thelastwordyaheard says:
    Jan 21, 2015 8:51 AM
    the Patriots outscored the Colts 28-0 after the questionable balls were removed from the game.. another pathetic witch hunt

    _______________________________

    Actually, this is not true. 11 of the 12 balls were under-inflated. One of those 12, the one intercepted by Jackson, was removed, but there is no indication at all that the rest of the balls were tested and re-inflated during the half-time break.

    Unless the team played with only a single ball, the one properly inflated, there is no reason to assume that they didn’t also benefit from the under-inflated balls in the second half.

    Also, for me, the idea that the weather played any part in reducing the PSI has no baring at all. One of the Patriots balls was at the correct PSI. There is no reason the weather would affect 11 balls, but not the 12th, unless in fact they massively over-inflated the 12th ball, which, in and of itself is just as much a problem.

  116. The Pat fans just don get it that people know NE would have beaten the colts with a nerf football but why even do it? And also in other close games did they do it and gain an advantage? That is the point Pat fans, you can’t just ignore a person murdering a terminally ill patient and say they were dying anyway.

  117. it doesn’t matter only thing to know is if they were tampered with and if they were then something needs to be done you just can’t keep sweeping things under the rug and fining people doesn’t work do the suspension without pay

  118. Everyone keeps saying ‘Under inflated football’ but all I hear is ‘Pine Tar on baseball bat’.

    I suspect what it will all come down to will be nothing…

    at least if Roger Goodell is not completely insane.

  119. Isn’t is sad that because the score was out of hand, so many Patriots fans are dismissing the fact that their team CHEATED yet again.

    Outcome based ethics and morality, gotta love it.

  120. This is nothing but a built-in excuse for Pats haters to bleat about when, I mean if, the Pats win the SB.

  121. This is the really big question:

    Ninth, did they also deflate the balls to get an advantage in the semifinal vs. the Ravens, a very close game in which Brady threw 51 passes? If so, that likely changed the outcome, unlike in the Indianapolis game.

    Yep, the NFL is in a VERY tough spot right now.

  122. Third, were the balls properly tested before the game?
    —————————————————–

    Probably one or two officials are assigned to check the pressure in those ball before the game.

    Who were those officials ?? Find them and you may have your man.

    Would you adjust the pressure 2 lbs PSI for say 250K if you were an official?

    This was a Vegas scam.

  123. If players like Rice, Gordon and AP are going to be suspended for an entire year for things that happen off the field should a harsher penalty be levied against Tom and Bill for doing something that ACTUALLY affects the game?

    this is absurd to me – if Goodell or the league office dont punish them with an insane suspension AND loss of picks i dont really understand anything the league does any longer.

  124. To address two points I have seen enumerated several times in the comments:

    1. “every team does it”….Try using that rationale to the cop/judge when you get your next speeding ticket. I bet that doesn’t get you much satisfaction.

    2. “the game was a blowout so it did not matter anyhow” Three plays, or six at the maximum, COULD have generated a possible 42 point swing in the score: plus three td’s for the Colts, minus three td’s for the Patriots. Assuming 120 plays by both teams, that is either 2.5% or 5% of the plays in the game being affected. Is that significant?

  125. Mike, can you bring some facts back to this discussion. “Pounds” as it relates to PSI is a unit of force or mass. Pounds per square inch is a unit of pressure. The mass of air left out of the ball was only a few grams. We have idiots thinking that Brady was handling a ball that weighed two pounds less. The real difference is almost negligible. It would help if you emphasized that fact.

  126. So some say PSI does not matter, yet 4 Pro Bowl QB’s played in the rain and cold this past Sunday. 3 of them played some of their worst football. 1 did not…

  127. The limited information leaked (11/12) certainly makes the Patriots look bad.
    ===

    Only if you expected some of balls to be under inflated. I expected almost all of them to be under inflated because of question four. If you start at a min spec warm, the ball will be below min spec when it gets cold. If it’s below min spec, it’s’ going to fall further below min spec. That would happen to every single ball.

  128. Footballs do not a have a noticeable drop in PSI during those conditions in a couple hours…really? It’s not a 100 pound tire!

  129. EVERY team is doing this. There’s no story here. EVERY team plays around with the deflation of the balls. There’s just a league wide conspiracy to take down the Patriots. Just as EVERY team was videotaping and EVERY Team was and is cheating. People just suck. They look at any reason to take down the Patriots.

  130. Do the NFL rules specifically say that the balls are to be inflated at a certain psi range but then can’t be altered before or during the game? Boxers weigh in before a fight but they sometimes drop only water weight and put the weight back on after weighing in. I remember that Sugar Ray Leonard would put sand bags in his pockets to seem heavier than he actually was when he weighed in. If the Patriots did deflate the balls, is there specific language stating that they can’t do so after the balls have been checked before the game? I’m sure that every NFL team can be investigated for some loophole in the rules.

  131. Under-inflated balls are also easier to catch/easier to keep a grip on for the runner. It’s not just about the quarterback being able to grip and throw better.

  132. Cheating is cheating Boston fans. Nobody else cares how much you won by. The fact is your team cheats to gain an advantage. Belicheat should be suspended for a year and let McDaniels tank that team in to the ground next season.

  133. Wasn’t it ESPN that reported the Patriots Matt Walsh filmed an opponent’s walk thru before the Super Bowl??

    And that turned out to be INCORRECT……..just sayin

  134. Wanna bet the league will either throw the officials under the bus or use the temperature change theory in order to get rid of the controversy before the super bowl?
    ===
    First: it’s not throwing them under the bus if they actually didn’t check the balls properly. Second: the temperature change “theory” isn’t a theory. It’s called the “Ideal Gas Law” for a reason.

  135. Loss of a first round draft pick and a Belicheck suspension probably has to be done since this will be Bill’s and the Patriots second offense. No fines, they really don’t hurt any of the Billionaire owners.

  136. Let’s use some potentially more accurate numbers for the math on this.

    Let’s assume the balls were weighed in a 70-degree room at started out at the rules-minimum 12.5 PSI. The interception happened in the second quarter at 9:21. The temperature had fallen from the game-time 51 degrees by at least 10 degrees (it got down to 28 degrees in Foxboro overnight Sunday-Monday morning), so I will use 40 degrees for the math here.

    Using pV=nRT (p pressure, V volume, n number of moles of a gas, R is the Universal Gas constant, and T temperature), and eliminating the constants, we get this equation p1 / T1 = p2 / T2, where p1 is the pressure in the weighing room, and p2 is the pressure at the time of the INT.

    86,184.47 Pa / 343.15 K = p2 / 313.15 K

    P2 = 78649.76 Pa = 11.4 PSI

    Who knows what the temperatures were exactly, but this shows how just the temperatures could have affected this easily. In addition, according to a historical weather site, the barometric pressure was dropping, which also could have affected the measurements.

    Don’t hang them too soon please.

  137. I’m sick of people pointing fingers at other situations in defense of THIS situation.

    Bill Belichick and the Pat-“cheat” organization has put himself/themselves in this situation. I don’t care what has happened before… Fact is, it’s the kid that gets their hands caught in the candy jar that typcially receive the punishment.

  138. Were the Colts’ balls tested for deflation as well? Wouldn’t the comparison of the drop in PSI between the balls of the two teams confirm or eliminate the weather factor? If the majority of the Colts’ balls were also under-inflated, then it strengthen the argument the weather cause the deflation. If all of the Colts’ balls were properly inflated, then it would lend further credence to the Patriots cheating.
    ===

    You’d have to know what pressure the Colts’ balls started at. If Andrew Luck likes his balls near max spec (13.5 PSI(g)) or even above it, then they could have dropped d/t cold and still been within spec. That wouldn’t lend credence to the post-inspection deflation theory. In fact, if Luck’s balls were on the high end of spec when cold, the ideal gas law says that they were probably above spec – and unnoticed – when inspected while warm. That actually lends credence to the incompetent/lazy officials theory.

  139. Some of U need a job or a life.
    Did the refs do their job? Who knows?
    45-7 3td’s running the ball. Just stop it! You honestly believe that 2 PSI made any impact on that game is living in a fantasy world.
    At least wait until the facts are in before you condemn one of the Greatest HC’s of all time. The fact that 11 balls of 12 read low should tell you they were really never checked.

  140. Footballs do not a have a noticeable drop in PSI during those conditions in a couple hours…really? It’s not a 100 pound tire!
    ===

    Go find an ideal gas law calculator and run the numbers yourself. Gas at the same temperature and pressure has the same density if it’s in a tire, a football, or between your ears. The only differences between a tire and a football are more volume and more gas, but those terms are on opposite sides of the gas law.

  141. gdbroker says:

    What about the psi of the Colts 12 balls?
    =========================================

    A referee was on ESPN earlier. He said all 24 balls from both teams were checked at halftime. All 12 of the Colts were fine. All 12 of the Patriots were at least 2psi under inflated. 11 of the 12 were more than 2psi under. Additionally, in the game NE played at Indy, the Colts checked a ball on the sideline that had been intercepted and it was under inflated. So going into this last game Indy was already suspicious. This is going to get bigger.

  142. I’m not sure why this rule even exists. Yes I am a Pats fan but in reality, its a stupid rule. Teams should be able to alter official footballs with in reason to their preference. If some like it harder and some like it softer, what does it matter? All teams alter the footballs anyway with scuffing them to add extra grip, why does air pressure matter? This doesn’t make sense to me.

  143. USA TODAY reports:

    NFL rules stipulate the ball must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds. The referee – on Sunday, it was veteran Walt Anderson – “shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications,” the rules say.

    “A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.”

    Each team makes 12 primary balls available for testing 2 hours, 15 minutes before the game. The home team also makes available 12 backup balls – meaning the Patriots provided at least 24 on Sunday – and the visiting team can, at its discretion, bring another 12 backup balls for games held in outdoor venues such as Gillette Stadium.
    —————————————————-
    Note: Each team provides 12 balls for testing but they also provide 12 back up balls that apparently aren’t subject to being tested.

    So who decides when back up balls can go into play ?

    Were the balls tested after the game the same ones they tested 2 hours prior to the game??

  144. Florio, thank you for asking the right questions on the subject. Nearly all the media and fans for or against are making emotional unfounded statements on the subject. If you read my comments, I am as guilty of that as anyone. Goodell is in a no win situation right now.

  145. I say other teams Quarterbacks have the balls prepped from them…

    I say investigate Aaron Rodgers comment on max or overinflated.

    AND i say its a common practice and Refs don’t worry about it, rule or no rule.

    AND if this happened already for Indy earlier game… WHY didnt’ this be an issue then ???? uh?

    I say its just a situation where Refs ignore… noting there is bigger fish to fry

  146. Again for the people ignorant to facts:

    “I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do” – Aaron Rodgers

  147. How many of the colts balls were inflated properly? Maybe they had the same ratio as the pats. How many for seattle and gb? We need more data.

  148. I’m not a fan of either team but watched the game. First if the Pats footballs were easier to catch and grip then it would help them maintain possession and complete passes. Turnovers might be effected by RB holding onto the ball better. When you look at time of possession it was almost 40/20 in favor of the Pats. Luck’s comp percentage was sub 50% while Brady above 65% in freezing rain. Would the Pats have won without deflated footballs, likely yes. Did it effect the game, which was the purpose of the deflation, without a doubt. Which means the game was effected by the deflation on purpose. If it is proven that the balls were tampered after the refs inspected, then it’s in direct violation of the integrity of the game paperwork that ever member of every team signs since SpuGate happened. If the team that made this paperwork part of protocol is the team to break that signed document that Goddell now requires because of the Hoodies tampering. God help them.

  149. Even the Colts players are saying the ball pressure made no difference on the outcome of the game. Stupid rule that should be reviewed or the NFL should take full ownership of the balls and supply their own ball attendant. Although apparently they can be bribed too ala Brad Johnson. Only solution is brand new footballs for every game controlled by the NFL only. Lets see how the rest of the league likes that.

  150. People pointing out Rodgers should know he never said he played in games with a ball inflated beyond the NFL tolerance range.
    ===
    Rodgers was quoted as saying he’s tried to slip overinflated balls by officials and see if they catch them. It sounds to my ear like it’s worked a few times.

  151. Re: hotbred
    But it seems that it is a rule, therefore it was broken. Your attitude towards it, especially as a front running Patriots fan, is irrelevant. There also seems to not only be a disturbing pattern of cheating where the Patriots are concerned, but a near hilarious tendency to keep getting caught.

  152. Nobody truly cares about this. For people expressing outrage, its overblown and opportunistic. My buddies (non-Pats fans) think this is hilarious but agree that its pure opportunism. Even they know every team alters football and that it makes sense. Its even legal to alter them. See Eli Manning’s footballs (pointed out by my Giants fan buddy)

  153. If temperature drop had anything to do with it, then footballs on a cold day at Lambeau would be flat as pancakes.

    Stupid theory.

  154. To raider nation
    Your tire pressure changes dramatically as it warms up from cold

    If you had a car that showed this on the instrument panel you would know this

    At 35 degrees it will change from 30 psi to 33 psi as they warm up as you drive
    And to the guy who says it would need to drop yo -20

    Don’t quit your day job

    Love the hate

  155. I’m truly getting tired of all the NE fans saying it’s OK to cheat because it had no impact on the game.

    Your team cheats. They don’t need to, but they do.

    That’s the issue. why is it so hard to see that?

  156. Even if the balls (Colts’, Pats’, K) were tested with a gauge in the locker room at half time, that’s still a cold test. Just as the balls’ temperature would not have fallen instantaneously moving from the warm locker to the cool exterior, they would not have risen instantaneously upon being moved back from the field to the locker at half time. Since half time is only 15 minutes whistle to whistle, there’s almost no time there for the balls to warm back up from ~50 F to 70+F, especially when considering the three minute walk from the field to the locker.

  157. Expect another apology from the league…

    Volume being constant, (along with n and R) the change in pressure is proportional to the change in temp, so P2=P1(T2/T1). A 12.5 psi ball at 70F would be roughly 8.9 psi at 50f. Will the league replicate the pre-game process and conditions?

  158. With as many media people that were covering the game, cameras, etc etc. Someone must have a still shot or video of the balls being tampered with after the NFL tested them before the game started (assuming they were tested). Or maybe everyone was too busy following the NFCCG to notice.

  159. Some of you are insane. The lengths some of you are going to for punishment are absurd.

    For one thing, nothing that has come out proves the Patriots did anything wrong. Admittedly, it doesn’t look good, but there’s been no proof of anything to this point. So debating punishment is premature to say the least.

    Second, losing their entire draft for 2 years? Banning Belichick for a year or more? Come on. I hope no one is expecting anything that drastic because you’re going to be disappointed, IF its proven the Pats did anything wrong. Hoping for punishments that severe is a result to just get rid of them because you don’t like them. Its not that serious.

    The Pats don’t make things easy on themselves due to pushing the envelope. I accept that I as a Pats fan will have to hear about Spygate forever. But this deflation hysteria is stupid. You now have two examples of players admit they also push the envelope when it comes to manipulating their game balls. Its clear that screwing around with them is commonplace. The point is, I DON’T CARE. I don’t care that the QB of the team the Pats are playing screwed around with the game balls. Go for it.

    What you all have to remember is that while you laugh now because the hated Pats are getting put through the ringer, if this leads to changes on how the balls are handled before the game, which is probably what would happen, it will affect your team and QB as much as any. No more getting the game balls just so beforehand, so this will affect your team too.

  160. shackdelrio says:
    Jan 21, 2015 8:53 AM

    Can’t wait for Bob Costas’ Super Bowl halftime sermon about inflated footballs
    ___________________________

    Yes, I can see him defending the Pats and blaming the deflation on climate change.

  161. Chea Tri Ots. Furher Goodell, your move bud. Put an end to this era of deceit once and for all. Let’s keep the dishonesty to wall street and the government.

  162. Oh one last point to all the hater
    Pats are in superbowl your team isn’t

    And yo the Seahawks fans good luck and make sure you watch for cameras and check the balls ant the formations and whatever else belichick comes up with

  163. It would only make sense that Patriots fan would jump to defense of their team, I would expect many fans in other cities to do the same for their respective teams.

    That being said, is it not also hasty to assume the Patriots cheated? Pats fans rush to defend, and fans of opposing teams rush to accuse? Either way there is no objectivity on either side, although it does make for quite a colorful debate.

    P.S.

    If a standard is to be set for removing players or coaches from play for cheating, how does that compare to the standard set for those who have been associated with murder, rape, drugs, domestic abuse, and operating vehicles under the influence? It seems actions that endanger human lives should be more heavily punished (or at least more heavily debated) than cheating at a game that, ultimately, is just that. A game.

  164. Footballs have been conformed to the specific athlete for years. My question is why does the NFL not have a punishment in place already ? It’s because they have never enforced the rule. The NFL will just make it up as they go. Like 2 game suspensions for knocking out women or as is the case in this witch hunt they will over punish. NFL has been a fly by the seat of their pants since Goodell took over. It’s not entirely Rogers fault as NFL owners support the hypocrisy.

  165. Indoor-to-outdoor Temperature Variation. Significant differences between the conditions tire pressures are set (the warmth of an attached garage, heated garage or service shop) and in which the vehicle will be driven (winter’s subfreezing temperatures) requires inflating tires 1 psi higher than recommended on the placard for every 10° F difference in temperature between interior and exterior temperatures.

    Also, add the moisture with the wind on the balls, that further reduces surface temperature. Evaporation cooling. Standout side in the cold dry, standout side in the cold wet, add wind. You are really cold.

    THE SAME APPLIES TO FOOTBALLS

  166. Obviously, even if the balls were intentionally deflated at BB behest, it’ll never be proven.
    In this particular game, I doubt the under inflated balls would have helped/hurt the Dolts.
    The pasties organization once again is in the middle of controversy involving the following of the rules.
    The NPL is NOT going to do anything about this in the form of punishment until after the Super bowl.
    BB, once again, has skirted the rules to gain an edge for his team.

    Once an anomaly, twice a trend. He should be suspended from coaching next season. But that won’t happen, as I said, the NPL won’t let that happen.

    In the case of ball inflation, what’s good for the goose is NOT good for the gander…

  167. I’ve been looking for more comments like this one. I’m interested to see if the NFL takes these points into account during their investigation.

    It seems many reports and talk shows are avoiding these points, most likely because they are not familiar with the “physics” side of the issue and do not want to spread misinformation. It would be great to have some sports science guys weigh in on a national scale and truly put into perspective how much influence air pressure is affected by weather, and how much grip is affected by air pressure.

    Also, air pressure does not work on a linear scale. If you look at a ruler all the notches are evenly spaced. Replace inches with PSI and you will find that the notches are no longer evenly spaced, but very close together at one end and spread very far apart at the other.

  168. Everybody, quick! Jump to conclusions! Its the new American way!!! If Pats are guilty they get punished, but lots of blanks yet to be filled in.

  169. How can a ref catch a ball thrown to him and not notice its under inflated?

    That’s literally what the colts did and the refs throw the football to each other every freaking play.

    Such a set up. At this point I just hope Cuban was right. I’m ready for the NFL to be done. People admitting to breaking rules is not as big of a deal as an unfounded allegation that someone else broke that same rule?

    Yeah ok, bye NFL. You had a good run. Just stop now you giant greedy hypocrites.

  170. I would be much more interested to find out if they deflated balls during the Divisional game vs. the Ravens. The temperature was much, much colder than the AFCCG. In extreme cold weather, like during the divisional game, a deflated ball would be easier to grip, throw, and catch. In that game, the Patriots went to the air exclusively because they had to. Knowing that, deflating the balls would give them an extra advantage in a highly contested game.

  171. Some clarification from SB Nation:

    “What’s the difference between deflating balls and scuffing them up?

    Both teams are allowed to break in their game balls, i.e. rubbing them down and scuffing them up so that the leather on the new balls isn’t slick and harder to grip. This rule went into effect in 2006. Prior to that, only the home team’s quarterback was allowed to break in game balls.”

    What Eli Manning and the Giants do is perfectly legal. Read the Nytimes article. If anything, it makes what Brady and the Pats allegedly did in-game look even worse. Pats fans should read the article and the rules instead of just the headline.

  172. realitycheckbaby says:

    Good analysis but flawed for three reasons.

    1. The balls weren’t tested in 49 degree temps and your same formula tells us that when they’re warmed back up, they regain their initial PSI.

    2. Though there was moisture, moist air wasn’t what was used to fill the balls and it can’t jus “seep in”

    3. The balls were reported to be TWO POUNDS underweight, which means, based on your math, they were actually more underweight during the games.
    ——————————————————-

    1. Right – the balls were tested at 70 degrees… they will lose psi in colder weather.

    2. Moisture has an effect on the psi lost.

    3. The balls were 2 psi light, not 2 pounds light – there is a big difference.

    This is why it is critical that the NFL also looked at the Colts’ footballs as a basis of comparison.

  173. Mr. Florio,

    I have to say this is the sanest and most thoughtful article I have seen written on this topic. These are excellent questions that need answers. Right now, the facts are simply that the balls were less inflated by halftime than they were at the start of the game. I sure hope that there is a natural explanation as opposed to this being cheating. I know the past indicates the propensity to try to get away with every possible edge and cross the line though, so this is magnified because it is the same set of folks that were caught in Spygate.

  174. Everyone needs to step back and pay attention to when the balls were checked again at half time due to the Colts inquiry which led the officials to check the balls with two gauges discovering the under inflation. So that being said the second half of the game was played with properly inflated game balls unless the officials did nothing and let play continue with the under inflated balls which seems the officials are at fault for not correcting the problem.
    The real question here is did the officials correct the problem? THINK ABOUT IT!
    Stop making up B—S and move on.

  175. The Aaron Rodgers excuse doesn’t work here; as that happened before ref inspection.

    In the Patriots’ case the footballs were checked to be compliant before the game, then were later found to be 2 PSI under-inflated during the game.

  176. I am glad to see someone really thinking this through.

    For the Patriots sake (and I am a Cowboys fan) the games sake and the NFL’s sake, they need to do a thorough comprehensive and complete analysis of these facts as well as the rule and how they should consider modifying and enforcing the rule to ensure game fairness.

    If they can prove the Patriots did something they should be punished. They should also rework the rule and procedures to make sure this cannot happen again. BUT it may be the Patriots did not do anything and in that case they still need to make sure this is a non-issue going forward.

    Game football official custodian and scienctific measure and certification specialist anyone?

  177. Roger is in another pickle. Tough year for him. If the Patriots are found guilty of this, his punishment (or lack of) will set a precedent for future transgressions. I see the league (Roger) coming up with a new rule. Roger will do his best to deflect attention away from this. He doesn’t want to have to punish his buddy Kraft.

  178. It’s not deflategate, it’s Ballghazi!

    This all comes down to a personal preference by the QB, correct? Rodgers is on the record as saying he prefers them a little over. Has Brady or Luck expressed a preference (over or under)?

    The game was such a huge blowout that the impact of the ball PSI is negligible. It’s just more fodder for people who want to hate Belichick.

  179. The poor equipment manager is going to get thrown under the bus, but he’ll be taken care of under table just like that student equipment manager was at USC when they were caught. That guy was “fired” but was given a boatload of compensation by “friends of the program”.

  180. Here’s a question: Why did the NFL’s “source familiar with the investigation” dish all these specific numbers only to Chris Mortensen of ESPN? When every other NFL comment has been that the investigation is ongoing and that they are still awaiting results. Even after the ESPN story releasing the specifics last night. NFL.com has nothing new about it, nothing specific about the 11 balls and the 2 pounds of air. They just in the last hour posted a new article about Brady vs. the Boom, and another non-negative one about Belichick. Maybe Mortensen’s source was wrong. Every other of the 100 articles on the subject are quoting ESPN.

  181. The Patriots are most likely the best NFL team of all time. This is coming from a “40+ years of watching ” Steelers ” fan. I wish our team was as great as the Patriots. Yes we won 6 SuperBowls, but we have a undisciplined team now, with poor coaching. The Patriots are a pure ” Class ” team. If you don’t give all you got on every snap, you won’t be with them for long. People hating on The Pats cause they are jealous. Their the best, and will beat the ” Fixed ” game, fake Seahawks, who don’t deserve to be there. Talk about a ” Rigged ” game? What’s even worse is the Packers were in on it, as their DB’s did not attempt to stop Seahawk receivers from catching the ball in the 4th Quarter. Will the Superbowl be ” Rigged “? Not much to gain by rigging it, unless the money is heavy on one of the teams. Then look out! It’s a shame. 😦

  182. Do the NFL rules also specify the penalties for these types of infractions? How about first time offenders versus repeat offenders? For example, Suh has a history of stepping and stomping on players but his last violation against Aaron Rodgers resulted in an appeal that overturned his game suspension. Even if Brady or Bellichick are found to be in violation of the psi rule, so what, it’s their first offense and they should receive a fine of some kind. For anyone that disagrees, how many times have you driven over the speed limit and not been ticketed? Or you didn’t come to a complete stop at a stop sign. Or you didn’t record all of the required information on your tax forms? You know the rules and you still break them. Why should you crucify the Patriots for something that every NFL team does and gets away with. You who are without sin cast the first stone.

  183. Did the Patriots really benefit from it though? Think about it…17-7 with underinflated balls. (Balls were checked at halftime and presumably replaced with regulation balls)…then Brady and Co. go 28-0 for the rest of the game.

    So, frankly, I’m glad they figured it out. The offense was far more productive w/ regulation balls. Thanks Jackson, Pagano etc…

  184. I have not read every post on the subject so if this has been raised I apologize , if the balls were under inflated it was to help the Pats to score more points. The issue that should concern the NFL is not so much who won the game ( the 28-0 run took care of that), but rather the effect on the Over under. From what I could find the O/U was 52, the final score was 45-7 ( 52 pts) Vegas may have stronger feelings on this, and as is implicitly understood. Betting fuels the NFL’s popularity

  185. I’m a Patriots fan but cheaters have no place in the game. That being said neither do criminals associated with murder, rape, abuse, drugs, or drunk driving. Funny how deflated footballs get all the attention.

    I’m not saying this excuses the Patriots, they still deserve to be punished if they cheated. But I do question the priorities of the league, the media, and the fans. If you want to crucify the cheaters I recommend first addressing the criminals.

  186. It is clear they have been doing this for a long time and did it also in the Ravens playoff game…

    That Edelman pass that won the game was a result of that underinflated ball… the little guy was able to grip and throw just as if he was Brady himself.

    What a disgusting situation for the league… if I was Sean Payton of the Saints and demand an apology and a payoff from the league because this is much much worse than anything the Saints did which is still being done today, that is, if a player has a tender spot hit him there again to see if he fumbles or crumbles. Part of the game but cheating Belichick style is NOT part of the game and now Brady apparently has been doing this for quite a while.

  187. Mr. Florio, you almost got it right. Good for you. This is perhaps the most perfect Jim Mora moment in the history of the NFL. “You think you know but you don’t know and you never will.” Even if we assume the NFL is conducting a proper investigation (which they almost certainly are not), no one else including current and former NFL players “knows” what they think they know about this event. No good quality engineer in the whole world would accept the nonsense that is connected to this investigation. Even the ESPN Sports Science report was shot full of gaping cannon holes. What a joke!

  188. Oh wow, I can’t believe what a nation of old ladies NFL football fans have become. What are we talking about here, women’s ice skating? Think of the classic tough as nails teams, the 1970’s Steelers and Raiders, The original Green Bay Packers and Baltimore Colts, even the 80’s 49r’s. These teams have to be laughing their butts off or perhaps sick to their stomachs at the whole whiny “Oh the Pats are picking on us, the Pats are picking on us, Mom!!!”.

    Seriously, NFL fans, grow a freakin’ pair. What’s next? At the very end of Aaron Rogers career, it’s the NFC championship, but oh no, Rodgers is injured. And he was only one TD from breaking the TD record! Woe is us, woe, woe. What’s this? The other team has agreed to let Aaron hobble onto the field on his crutches and will stand aside as he throws the record-breaking TD pass to Little Jimmy, the wide receiver with the heart of gold! Hurray!!

    Imagine Jack Lambert of the Steelers allowing that. I don’t freakin’ think so.

    This actually happened in women’s basketball folks at UCONN. Guess what? The NFL ain’t women’s sports. Men’s Sports is War! The idea is to win. The idea is to fight, to fight, to claw, to grab and to struggle. On every down on every single play, illegal moves happen in the NFL. Plain and simple.

    Now whether the Pats purposely deflated the balls, or whether there is another cause, who cares, it’s totally meaningless. The fact is, is that the league purposely gave control of the scrimmage balls back to the teams (but not the kicking balls). The league really could care less about what teams pump their balls to, all the league cares about is that the quarterbacks are scoring points. And that, is how it should be. But all this whining, gnashing of teeth and tearing of hair of ‘supposed’ football fans is just embarrassing. So called fans, why don’t you go out and play with your Barbie dolls.

  189. Pats are super bowl 49 champions. Suck it cry baby losers, keep whining, you pathetic, babies. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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