Former Panthers G.M. questions Patriots’ “culture of cheating”

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Suffice it to say, former Panthers General Manager Marty Hurney isn’t buying a lot of what’s coming out of New England regarding #DeflateGate.

Primarily, because he’s been wary of the Patriots for years.

A decade of frustration over the Panthers loss to New England in Super Bowl XXXVIII bubbled over yesterday on Hurney’s radio show on ESPN 730 in Charlotte, when he openly questioned whether the Patriots have created a “culture of cheating.”

“There isn’t a day that goes by since 2003 that I haven’t questioned … that there were some things done that might have been beyond the rules that may have given them a three-point advantage,” Hurney said, via ESPN.com. “This isn’t about deflating balls. . . . It’s an issue of if there is a culture of cheating at the organization that most people look at as the gold standard in this league. Is there a culture of cheating and breaking the rules?

“And I can’t prove anything and that’s why I’m very angry. And the anger has come back over the last couple of days that commissioner Roger Goodell decided to shred all of the evidence after ‘Spygate,’ because I think there were a lot of things in there that would bring closure to a lot of people.”

Good thing he didn’t hold back.

Panthers officials have held such thoughts in for the last decade, but even at the time, some in the organization were afraid the Patriots were up to no good then.

“There are people who swear to me that the Patriots taped our practice down in Houston during Super Bowl week,” Hurney said. “I can’t prove it. I don’t know. And I hate talking like this because I feel like a bad loser, but it just gnaws at you and this latest incident brings it back up.”

Hurney also acknowledged that his team’s hands weren’t clean that year, after three of their starting offensive linemen were named in a steroid investigation in South Carolina. And as much as it sounds like sour grapes from a guy who lost to the Patriots, he said he wanted to see whatever evidence the league has, whenever a decision is made.

And you get the feeling the next time he appears on ESPN’s Insiders, this might come up as well.

95 responses to “Former Panthers G.M. questions Patriots’ “culture of cheating”

  1. “The Minnesota Vikings played their coldest home game in 38 years on Sunday, when they beat the Carolina Panthers in 12-degree temperatures at TCF Bank Stadium. As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday’s game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.”

  2. HUGE PANTHERS FAN HERE…. but enough is enough. How about we blame John Kasay for kicking the ball out of bounds after we tied it up and giving Brady a short field to work with for Vinatieri to hit the GW? Especially when we had all the moment in the 4th quarter. They beat us fair and square.

  3. Hurney sucked as a GM but he is 100% correct. What’s funny is that if Spygate never happened, no one would really care about this. What you have here are repeat offenders of breaking rules that can give you a slight competitive advantage. No one is saying the Patriots have been as good as they have ONLY because of the ball situation. However, it makes one wonder how guys like Deion Branch, Brandon Lafell and Julian Edleman become #1 WR’s when they play for the Pats.

  4. “I can’t prove it. I don’t know. And I hate talking like this because I feel like a bad loser…And I can’t prove anything and that’s why I’m very angry.”

    I only wish I could have this guy on a jury in which I’m innnocent until proven guilty. (with facts)

  5. i’m sure it goes all the way up to Kraft. Brady is in the GOAT conversation and he’s making about half the salary of the other elite quarterbacks in this league? wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find out that Kraft is paying Brady something on the side to clear up more cap room.

  6. Perhaps if their kicker had not kicked the ball out of bounds and giving the patriots the ball at the 35 is something he should think about.

    This guy is exactly the type of guy who now has his panties in a bunch, the guy who lost to the patriots

    The guy with the EX in front of his name.

  7. I know many people are going to be quick to claim that stories like this about the Pats “culture of cheating” are the result of a combination of jealousy and sour grapes, and they might very well be right.

    However, if the Pats hadn’t been caught illegally videotaping other teams’ defensive signals way back when, we wouldn’t even be having such a discussion today.

  8. So to make sure I am clear on this. Hurney is suggesting that the unproven and unsubstantiated claims of something that the Patriots “might” have done, is egregious and bothers him. BUT, the proven systemic steroid use of his team, played no factor in getting his team to the Super Bowl, and the Patriots are dirty because he heard rumors about filming of a walk through… Who is his source for the rumor? Marshall Faulk?

  9. So to make sure I am clear on this. Hurney is suggesting that the unproven and unsubstantiated claims of something that the Patriots “might” have done, is egregious and bothers him. BUT, the proven systemic steroid use of his team, played no factor in getting his team to the Super Bowl, and the Patriots are dirty because he heard rumors about filming of a walk through… Who is his source for the rumor? Marshall Faulk?

  10. NFL insiders used to hold back, but I’ve noticed recently there is a huge rush of credible voices calling them cheaters, and talking about a culture of cheating. People in the league are finally sick and tired of Belichick.

  11. How do some of these guys get jobs at ESPN? Hurney was on ESPN talking about worrying being spyed on during practice during the Super Bowlalthough he had no proof just like now. He is terrible and adds nothing to any show and as a GM took a Super Bowl team to 2-14

  12. His opinion and five bucks gets him a cup of coffee.

    His opinion and thirty bucks gets him a real haircut.

    Otherwise, who really cares what he thinks?

    #youhateuscuzyouaintus

  13. He thinks the guy who taped them disappeared to Hawaii with the tapes.

    Good laugh for the day. He sounds nuts and bitter

  14. “Hurney also acknowledged that his team’s hands weren’t clean that year, after three of their starting offensive linemen were named in a steroid investigation in South Carolina.”

    Ummm…yeah…BUT, STILL!

  15. So now we’re going to let an idiot like Marty Hurney throw out baseless accusations because he’s still butthurt about a game that took place over ten years ago?

    Maybe he should take it up with John Kasay for shanking the kickoff out of bounds and allowing the Patriots to start at their own 40

  16. Does anyone check facts before they write? In 2003 every team was taping others. In 2007 the league sent out a letter to stop to EVERY team. Belichick continued one week after the letter and was fined. Hurney should review his statements BEFORE he makes them!!

  17. Belichick is literally inside every teams’ head. At this point, opponents lose their lucky underpants and believe belichick stole them

  18. “I can’t prove it. I don’t know. And I hate talking like this because I feel like a bad loser,”

    You don’t feel like a bad loser. You are a bad loser.

  19. Most classless team in the NFL.
    This incident, the saga in which somehow Blount fell into Bellichick’s lap at just the right moment….the tip of the iceberg.

  20. It’s not a culture of cheating. It’s a culture of Bill Belichick out smarting the opposing teams. How can anybody anticipate the results New England would get every year if they didn’t “cheat”. Belichicks always a step ahead with the newest ways to beat teams and Tom Brady executes it. Weather it’s a new offensive scheme to signing a RB that just got cut. Blount could of carried a beach ball for 150 yards and three tds. Indy was simply over matched like most other teams. Are we really going to try and take away anything from the best qb of all time about deflating footballs? He’s 37 years old and he’s as sharp as ever and has the same velocity on his balls as he did years ago. Walsh and Montana were together for ten years and did incredible things. Belichick and Brady when it’s all said and done will have around eighteen years together. Eighteen years of owning the nfl. You simply never see that continuity.

  21. Spygate was a decade ago. It was the Patriot only serious error in several decades, so how does this represent a culture of cheating? One team was caught red-handed violating the rules for game balls this year. Yup, it was the Panthers. One QB said he tries to cheat with regard to game ball psi- Rodgers.

    There are only 2 reasons this is even in the news

    1. The Patriots win, they keep winning, and poor sports like this guy refuse to accept this.

    2. The NFL wants this to be a story. They created this story. They planned to trap the Pats after complaints from the Ravens coach. The NFL planned to test the balls at halftime. Would they do that if it compromised the integrity of the game? Why is Goodell still silent?

    I really hope Kraft sues someone over this….

  22. First time pats cheated fans claimed slour grapes was the cause, second time pats fans claimed they were just piling on based on previous claims and sour grapes, third time pats fans claim sour grapes. Do you pat fans see a trend here? The New England fans give new meaning to being a blind homer.

  23. add the panthers to the list of sore losers. so far we have the colts leading the pack, with the ravens right behind them. any other teams want to complain about games that occurred 12 years ago with no supporting evidence?

  24. He’s mad because the NFL destroyed the tapes. If that’s not fishy I don’t know what is. He’s mad because if they didn’t destroy the tapes everybody would know exactly what was taped, what games were taped, and could infer how the pats used the tapes to get an advantage. Instead the NFL just destroyed the tapes and said trust us with the discipline.

  25. No ax to grind here. Dude probably took a 98% pay cut going from GM to radio tough guy so he lashes out at a convent target in order to boost his profile and stay employed. The dope knows he will never get another NFL front office job again so he has nothing to lose.

  26. It’s just a matter of time before some team one ups the Pats and cheats them.

    Can’t wait to see those tears.

  27. Does anyone check facts before they write? In 2003 every team was taping others. In 2007 the league sent out a letter to stop to EVERY team. Belichick continued one week after the letter and was fined. Hurney should review his statements BEFORE he makes them!!
    ————————————————————————
    Umm, so he disregarded a clear directive from the NFL and videotaped another team in order to gain a competitive advantage.

    That sounds like cheating to me.

    Let me ask you this.
    If a new CBA bans the use of HGH, and one week later a player takes HGH and is caught. Is that player not trying to cheat?

    Also, the Pats weren’t just fined; they also had to forfeit their 2008 First Round draft pick.

  28. Belichick is one of the best in the NFL at game planning. If he’s wasting time breaking rules on minimally useful schemes, he has too much time on his hands and too little decrement.

  29. Well, we all know the NFL steroid testing isn’t that strong and so many players are taking them. They don’t go after it like Baseball does. If the NFL chooses to look the other way, then steroids must be okay. They have looked the other way on deflating or inflating footballs in the past too. Now, they aren’t. This seems somewhat arbitrary.

  30. Makes me embarrassed to be a 20 year Panther fan. “Cheating” was not the reason we lost the Super Bowl.

    There’s a real Carolina fans rejoiced when he was fired.

  31. The dedicated Patriots fans that swarm these blogs won’t like this, but with the stats published now on the Colts’ balls and the Patriots balls’, there’s no question that the Patriots’ balls were tampered with. If that had been done without Belichick’s knowledge and permission, we would see public lynching by Bill of the miscreant. Bill is the very definition of a control freak and micromanager that you do not cross. We already know Brady prefers the underinflated balls. But Brady is holding to the public line “I know nothing….nothing.” He’s already on record saying he prefers underinflated balls, now he says he can’t tell the difference? Liar.

    So, what should be done? The NFL needs to vacate the Patriots AFC Championship win and hold Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft responsible. Either cancel the Super Bowl altogether or award the Colts the AFC Championship and allow them to represent the AFC.

    There is no way that with the Patriots in full denial, the Pats with a history of ignoring rules throughout the Belicheck tenure, and the stats on the balls showing the clear variance between Colts and Pats balls showing that intentional action, not the 51 degree temperature, caused the Pats balls and only the Pats balls, to deflate, that the Patriots should be rewarded by being invited to the Super Bowl.

    If Belichik is such a student of the game of football, he should show that by showing some integrity. And where’s Robert Kraft in all of this? Is he all in, content with a cheating coach as long as his team wins? Is he the Colonel Klink in all of this, oblivious to the obvious cheating of his coach? Wow.

  32. Your right! The Pats always cry after a loss. Just once I’d like to hear Bill-a-cheat say at a post game press conference that they were ‘out-coached’ or that they need to execute better in order to win next time. Its just excuse after excuse from Foxboro!!

  33. Nobody imagines that NFL locker rooms are drug free, but few would think that players on the best teams would be willing to risk their very lives to make it to the highest levels of the sport. That seems to be the case.

    According to an investigative report posted on the Charlotte Observer’s Web site on Sunday, a number of Carolina Panthers used a vast quantity and tremendous variety of performance-enhancing drugs during the team’s 2004 Super Bowl season.

    The newspaper looked at medical records and court documents released in conjunction with the federal steroids case against Dr. James Shortt, who last month was sentenced to one year and one day in prison for distributing steroids and human growth hormone.

    “Several of [the players] were using disturbing, particularly alarmingly high amounts with high dosages for long durations — some in combinations,” said Dr. Gary Wadler, who prepared a report for the U.S. Attorney’s Office that was used to prosecute Shortt. “This wasn’t just a passing flirtation with these prohibited substances. When I see [prescriptions] ‘renewed five times,’ I say, ‘What are you trying to accomplish?’ “

  34. He sounds salty.

    It’s not Belichick’s fault that Kasay shanked the kick off that put the ball at the 40 to set up Brady marching down the field for the game winning drive or that Justin Timberlake ripped off Janet Jackson’s bra.

  35. The problem is not cheating.
    The problem is that the refs chose to ignore it seriously why are the “cheaters” always at the bottom of the league in penalties every year except this year for the first in a decade they were in the top 10.

    I remember when Randy Moss was with the Raiders … The refs would call offense PI on his TDs but with the Pats it was a TD or this year McFadden scored a game winning TD at the end of the game against the Pats but a phantom holding call preserves the victory for the Pats.

    Yes the Pats get a lot of calls go their way … that’s the real problem.

  36. ENOUGH ALREADY ….Learn what spygate was if you are going to bring it up….IT was Not about taping signals which can be done from anywhere and is still done to this day …IT was about the LOCATION of the camera and the New Commish sending out a memo to ALL teams to stop cameras from the sideline/endzone and the Pats disregarding the memo…..The jealousy and Hate is flattering…….

  37. mpops86 says:
    Jan 23, 2015 11:46 AM
    “I can’t prove anything and that’s why I’m very angry.”

    – Haters.
    —————-

    I can’t prove anything, and I’m angry.

    But I am also a Giants fan. I dare you to call ME a “hater.”

  38. peymax1693 says: Jan 23, 2015 12:27 PM

    Does anyone check facts before they write? In 2003 every team was taping others. In 2007 the league sent out a letter to stop to EVERY team. Belichick continued one week after the letter and was fined. Hurney should review his statements BEFORE he makes them!!
    ————————————————————————
    Umm, so he disregarded a clear directive from the NFL and videotaped another team in order to gain a competitive advantage.

    That sounds like cheating to me.

    Let me ask you this.
    If a new CBA bans the use of HGH, and one week later a player takes HGH and is caught. Is that player not trying to cheat?

    Also, the Pats weren’t just fined; they also had to forfeit their 2008 First Round draft pick.

    ————-

    Belichick was honest about it. He didn’t lie.

    He thought taping from the sidelines was okay as long as they didn’t use the footage to make halftime adjustments. Just for future study.

    Walkthroughs were not taped, there’s zero evidence that they ever were. The tapes were played for reporters and they found nothing surprising about them.

    The story is overblown. Belichick came clean and accepted his punishment. But people have to keep making stuff up

  39. I personally would love to see those tapes. The fact that it was claimed they were destroyed without being made public is what really got my interest. Got a feeling they would be quite an eye opener. I’m sure they’re hidden away somewhere.

  40. brysimpson says:

    Belichick is one of the best in the NFL at game planning. If he’s wasting time breaking rules on minimally useful schemes, he has too much time on his hands and too little decrement.
    =======================================

    He was already fined half a million dollars for “breaking the rules”.

  41. if you are not completely honest with people they will always harbor doubt. the NFL was never completely honest with the public about Spygate by destroying the tapes immediately after the “investigation”. now all records are destroyed. the lack of trust the public has in the NFL was earned by the NFL, and they continue to destroy their own credibility…

  42. Anyone who thinks the Spygate tapes only contained signals are way to gullible. Those tapes included practices and walkthroughs of opposing teams for years inclduing the Super Bowl Years. That is why Goodell destroyed them so fast because of the lawsuits the NFL could face. That is also why the NFL is doing it’s best to botch this up and let off Brady and Bill because the NFL knows that Bill and Kraft have the have proof to show the cover up and stick it to the NFL if they mess with them.

  43. Sure Buddy!!!
    Kasay hooked that kickoff all while deflate-gate was in its infancy….
    Lmao….you lost
    Go Pats!!!

  44. This is just piling on without evidence and it’s disgusting. The NFL should fine the Panther’s GM before he makes such inflamatory comments WITHOUT evidence. Who does he think he is? This is just pile on the Patriots because we hate them so much and we can’t beat them. How pathetic.

  45. And again, EVERY team was videotaping. It was LEGAL. Goodell sent that memo about videotaping to EVERY Team in the NFL, not just the Patriots, because EVERY team was videotaping. So spare me this self-righteousness about the bogus Spygate, the most bogus non-scandal in the history of sports.

  46. floriosnuts says:
    Jan 23, 2015 12:34 PM
    Your right! The Pats always cry after a loss. Just once I’d like to hear Bill-a-cheat say at a post game press conference that they were ‘out-coached’ or that they need to execute better in order to win next time. Its just excuse after excuse from Foxboro!
    _______________________

    I’m sure you stick around after the games they (rarely) lose to view all of the Pats post game press conferences and wait for BB to say he was “out coached”. Your dedication is inspiring.

  47. The reason this is a story is the Patriots are too good. The Panthers cheated this year with footballs, heating them on the sidelines. Nobody cares because the Panthers were in the worst division in football and weren’t going anywhere. The Browns potentially broke communication rules, nobody cares because the Browns were awful. The Broncos broke salary cap during their Super Bowl years, but story didn’t break until after the fact and Elway was gone so nobody cares. The owner of the 49ers involved in a gambling scandal and they violated salary cap rules, nobody cares because it was during a stretch when the 49ers weren’t threatening to win the Super Bowl. The list goes on. So don’t tell me that the Patriots have a system of cheating. We have one instance, Spygate which we faced heavy penalties for. What was the other issue? Is this a case of the Patriots “always” cheating, or is this a case of the Patriots always winning

  48. floriosnuts says:
    Jan 23, 2015 12:34 PM
    Your right! The Pats always cry after a loss. Just once I’d like to hear Bill-a-cheat say at a post game press conference that they were ‘out-coached’ or that they need to execute better in order to win next time. Its just excuse after excuse from Foxboro!
    _______________________

    Pretty much after every loss, Belichick goes up there and says “we were out coached, out played today” and the other line he always used is, “we didn’t make enough plays” those are two of his standards.

  49. Love it! Patriots paranoia. It’s an epidemic. There’s no cure. Whine to ease the symptoms.

  50. “floriosnuts says:
    Jan 23, 2015 12:34 PM
    Your right! The Pats always cry after a loss. Just once I’d like to hear Bill-a-cheat say at a post game press conference that they were ‘out-coached’ or that they need to execute better in order to win next time. Its just excuse after excuse from Foxboro!”

    ———————

    I’d be willing to bet you could spend the next five hours online searching and not find a single example of Belichick whining after a win. But, don’t let reality stop you. Just continue to make stuff up and you’ll fit right in with the rest of the commenters on here.

  51. bigbensbathroomseed says:
    Jan 23, 2015 12:19 PM
    First time pats cheated fans claimed slour grapes was the cause, second time pats fans claimed they were just piling on based on previous claims and sour grapes, third time pats fans claim sour grapes. Do you pat fans see a trend here? The New England fans give new meaning to being a blind homer.
    ——————————————————–
    Ya I see a trend. Pats do anything and they are labeled as cheaters while others, i.e. Rogers does the same thing and not a damn thing is done or said. There is a conspiracy against Belichick and Brady because with them in the league it becomes almost impossible to beat them. 10 conference championships, 10. Yeah, they suck. How many of these hypocritical experts have said this would be a non factor if it wasn’t the Pats. Why? Is cheating okay for everyone but the Patriots? It sure looks this way. I can’t stand the blatant hypocrisy.

  52. Clear now the Pats have been doing this for years. Buzzfeed has an article showing Pats have fewest fumbles of any team since 2010 by a margin so huge it is obviously due to deflated footballs. Brady and Belicheat must be suspended immediately.

  53. The Patriots team that beat that Carolina team of nobodies was one of the best teams in the history of the League. I know that New England has invited this kind of talk, or have at least jeopordized their ability to effectively refute it. That is on them. But we should also be wary of idiots taking this as an open invitation to come out of the woodwork to grind their axes. Lord knows, the Patriots have beat a lot of people over the last decade and a half (and realistically taping opponents sidelines and deflating footballs didn’t have anything to do with it) and there a lot of people who’d like a little payback.

  54. username5891 says: Jan 23, 2015 12:21 PM

    He’s mad because the NFL destroyed the tapes. If that’s not fishy I don’t know what is. He’s mad because if they didn’t destroy the tapes everybody would know exactly what was taped, what games were taped, and could infer how the pats used the tapes to get an advantage. Instead the NFL just destroyed the tapes and said trust us with the discipline.
    ============
    Someone filling in for Dan Patrick on his radio program recently mentioned that the reason why the tapes were burned is because Belichick had video of other teams’ illegal activities. The tapes were burned to prevent a league wide embarrassment. Don’t you think someone like hoodie would have something up his sleeve if he were challenged? Makes sense to me.

  55. seahawkboymike says: Jan 23, 2015 1:23 PM

    Clear now the Pats have been doing this for years. Buzzfeed has an article showing Pats have fewest fumbles of any team since 2010 by a margin so huge it is obviously due to deflated footballs. Brady and Belicheat must be suspended immediately.
    ==================
    So explain Ridley’s fumbles and his subsequent benchings for them.

  56. The NFL culture is one of cheating, illegal activity, violence (on & off the field), greed, disregard for the health of its employees…
    Need I continue?
    Every executive or player who piles on to the Pats for this contrived “controversy” is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

  57. What a crock of crap. Every hoser in the world is trying to grab their time in the news.

    Pats are the best, most professional group of players to ever wear the an NFL jersey. Get used to it!

  58. There are some people who do not like the New England Patriots football team for winning Super Bowls just like the New York Yankees are hated by the lamestream press for winning 27 World Series titles. The hatred of the Patriots will just fuel their desire to beat the Seahawks in Super Bowl 49.

  59. The Panthers were beyond loaded on illegal PEDs in 2003, maybe they should’ve been beaten by more than three points

  60. How noble of him to admit that his hands aren’t clean either. But he only acknowledges the three players named in the steroid investigation?

    Eleven active players for that Super Bowl against the Patriots had been issued steroid prescriptions (filled as recently as ten days before the Super Bowl) by the official team doctor who was convicted afterward and went to JAIL.

    The Patriots eked out a win that day, against a team that had proven cheaters, and Hurney is the one who’s angry???

  61. “And I hate talking like this because I feel like a bad loser”

    I suppose it is better to feel like a bad loser vs. sounding like a whiney loser? At some point, you have to get over it, own it, and move on. Making a fool of oneself over old news probably isn’t going to help out with his therapy.

  62. Wonder what Ray Lewis ,Ed Reed and Terrel Suggs think of the Pats now!!! Oh wait ESPN has them tied up and gagged in the basement.

  63. “The Minnesota Vikings played their coldest home game in 38 years on Sunday, when they beat the Carolina Panthers in 12-degree temperatures at TCF Bank Stadium. As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday’s game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.”
    ———————————————————
    Well played Sir. Well played indeed……

  64. Hurney, GET OVER IT! Ex-Qbs have stated that they inflated/deflated. No one finked on them when they did this. In another blog elsewhere, “Williams” said that face-masking is CHEATING, stomping on players arms is CHEATING, just as deliberate tripping, hitting after the whistle, tackling below the knees, etc. Thats what penalties are for. It is CHEATING, and all teams ARE GUILTY. Most players are guilty at some time. To point fingers at the Pats: LOOK — CHEATERS is pure hypocrisy! Also, NFL would not dare to check footballs every game at half-time next season because they would find too much cheating. This media/player driven sour grapes whining hypocrisy needs to STOP. Get on with the game.

  65. Brady and Bellichek should be kicked out of the NFL. It is amazing when you compare Pete Rose and his love for baseball and not cheating, versus Brady and Bellichek and the NFL.

    Free Pete Rose, ban Tom Brady

  66. Marty who????

    Oh!….he’s just another guy who had his playoff success neutered by the Patriots.

    SOURGRAPESSOURGRAPESSOURGRAPESSOURGRAPES………….

  67. Once upon a time, in a league far far way…there was team named the Pats who had a young unknown QB…This team of ragtag misfits took on the Greatest Show on Turf and beat them in a SuperBowl. When they did that everybody seemed to be a Pats fan…here we are years later and everybody outside of Massachusetts can’t stand them.

    The Pats have been one of the most successful franchises in the past 15-20 years. If they had been cheating as a cultural norm they’d have got caught regularly. Why? Any conspiracy that involves more than one person falls apart when the second person added to the conspiracy spills the beans for any number of reasons.

    The Pats don’t cheat anymore than any other team does. Maybe they got caught once more than any other team but that is it.

    Let it rest. Deflated balls…..

  68. Marty Hurney is an idiot.

    And, for the 1,000,000,000,000,000th time, KASAY DID NOT LOSE THAT GAME FOR US. John Fox did. He used that stupid-@$$ card that says you ALWAYS go for 2 when you’re down 5, regardless of the game situation. He did it in the 3rd quarter when we scored to close to within 21-16. Of course we didn’t make it, so of course he had to go for 2 on the next TD to make up for it, and of course we didn’t make that one, now we’re up 22-21. Then NE scored, and they make the 2, then we score to tie it before the final drive. If Fox had ignored that stupid damn card, we would have been down 21-17, then up 24-21 on the next TD, then the Pats would have just kicked the PAT on the next score to go up 28-24, then when we scored late it would have been 31-28. Since they had a short field, I’m sure they would have tried harder for a TD to end the game. Bottom line is, if our lousy coach hadn’t showed a slavish obedience to that stupid go for 2 card, the outcome could have been much different.

    Oh, BTW, Marty Hurney is an idiot.

  69. Hilarious! This douche makes that statement after Fox tv caught his team warming up game balls against the Vikings on the sidelines. A CLEAR violation! Panthers culture of cheating out for the whole world to see. That sound you hear is his glass house shattering.

  70. iamkillerfin says:
    Jan 23, 2015 12:36 PM
    The patsies are the darlings of the NFL & NOTHING will become of this & on top of that Kraft has bought the super bowl win!!! IT IS FIXED!!!
    ——————————————————–
    The following is how much Pats fans care what you think………”crickets”………………….”silence”

  71. I can’t help but remember how the leaders of Enron outsmarted all the government agencies and rules and were able to accomplish things that other companies couldn’t because they were so much more clever than everyone else. That ended well right?

  72. Hilarious seeing these guys and all the posters here increasingly looking like they’re going to have egg on their face for making false accusations

    Meanwhile the Panthers were caught on camera warming their footballs up in front of the on field cameras – clear and proven cheating

    So I guess the Panthers just have a culture of cheating AND delusional denial

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