NFL goes radio silent regarding #DeflateGate

Early in the life of #DeflateGate, the process had more leaks than a guy on the brink of 50 who drank too much water too close to going to bed.  (I can relate.)  The information presumably was coming from the folks conducting the investigation, i.e., the NFL.

As the week has unfolded (and in the wake of the report from Chris Mortensen that 11 of 12 Patriot footballs were two pounds below the 12.5-PSI minimum), the leaks have stopped.  No one is saying anything about the status of the investigation.  At all.

Some (such as Tom Curran of CSNNE.com) have suggested that Mortensen’s report wasn’t precise, and that he didn’t clearly say each ball was exactly 2.0 pounds below the threshold.  But with no reports contradicting or clarifying the item that took #DeflateGate to a new level of significance, it’s easy to accept Mortensen’s report as entirely accurate.

It’s possible that Patriots ownership insisted on discretion.  It’s possible that the NFL decided that, if everything about the eventual investigation is going to be analyzed, scrutinized, and/or criticized, it’s better to stay quiet until the process ends.  Either way, it’s gotten very quiet in the last two days regarding the status of the investigation.

Of course, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady said Thursday that he has yet to hear from the league.  That’s something we’ll try to make sense of in a separate item.  Or that I’ll address on Friday’s edition of PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio.

133 responses to “NFL goes radio silent regarding #DeflateGate

  1. I love how much of the garbage that the media reported is now out the window. D’Qwell Jackson now says that he never said anything about the football feeling different, but that was reported widely in the beginning. Now, we have the report of 11/12 balls possibly being wrong, let alone the 2 PSI figure now being questioned.

    Wouldn’t that make all the haters’ heads explode if they didn’t have that to fall back on?

  2. There is no “investigation” at all, the NFL is conducting a “review.”

    That’s why they haven’t contacted Brady.

  3. Is it possible the NFL is sitting back and thinking “why do we tell them anything”?

    One unsubstantiated report from Mort and the whole world has lost their collective minds and gotten super offended. Someone with common sense in the NFL offices has to have realized this isn’t even in the top 20 for attempts to gain an advantage in NFL history. It’s just not. No matter how loud it’s shouted, it’s simply not.

    It’s an attempt to skirt the rules that deserves a punishment and moving on….quickly.

  4. As usual, the league is probably just looking out for their baby boy Tommy! It’s bad enough when they cave to his whining and crying during the games but to cover up his deception, unbelievable. You can complain all you want about the severity of this deception, but cheating is cheating!!

  5. IF there is nothing to see here you are all including this website going to look pretty damn stupid. And IF, just IF the Patriots have done nothing wrong you along with many others may need your legals skill in ways you never thought at the beginning of the week.

  6. Maybe the leaks were infact incorrect and the league is realizing that these leaks were backing it into a corner that could be hard to fight their way out of if their findings don’t mesh with the current public perception? Say if the balls really are .2ish PSI low instead of 2. If the league concludes that this is much ado about nothing it’s going to be hard to convince the viewing public that this isn’t a cover up…. Not sure if Hoodie arbitrarily picked those numbers or not, but it is curious that he placed so much emphasis on the difference being a 1/10 of what was reported.

  7. It’s clear the NFL doesn’t care about deflated footballs or what QB’s o to them. I mean they inspect them and then give them back to the teams 2 hours before the game??? Yeah they care, NOT!

  8. The NFL wants it to go away. They can’t do anything about it anyway. They can’t punish anyone. They can change some things going forward, and they will. But they can’t punish Brady, the Patriots, or anyone else. If they could hang an equipment man out to dry and make it go away, they would do that. But that’s not an option either.

    The NFL’s only choice is to keep its mouth shut, endure, and wait for the next story to bump it from the headlines.

  9. Only on the “brink”, anyway, seems like if there was a true smoking gun here they would have concluded this pitchfork and torch campaign by now.

  10. NFL: After a thorough and exhaustive investigation we could find no evidence of tampering after the game balls were certified by the officials. While the fact that several balls were retested during the game and found to be below the required pressure is troubling, we can not determine intentional wrongdoing. It is possible that the balls were prepared to pass inspection and then lose pressure over time. In the future we will look at adjusting the procedures in order to prevent similar issues.

  11. Please stop talking about this. Let’s talk about the Super bowl. Both teams are classless, both cheat, both have annoying fan bases. But I’m still going for the Patriots just because they are slightly less annoying than the 2012th man.

  12. It will all be swept under the rug of the NFL…just you wait and see. And if they do, they need to give the Saints their 2nd round pick back and Sean his money back. The Pats “ALWAYS GETS AWAY WITH THINGS”

  13. It is time to consider the possibility that someone tried to sabotage the Patriots. The NY Times article about how Eli Manning tampers with his game balls for months stated that sabotage is an ongoing concern with respect to game balls. If the uniformed league ball attendant left the game balls unattended during the 2+ hour stint he was supposed to be watching them, that creates a risk that must be investigated.

  14. I can’t figure out why the NFL has not talked to Brady yet. Does anyone here think that the NFL will handle it properly? If they come down hard on the Patriots people will cry it must of been really bad for the punishment to be so harsh. If they say there was no real problem here, they will say the league let them off.
    One thing we can all be sure of, and that is the NFL has already screwed this up mightily.

  15. They learned from events this season not to act too quickly and are likely getting their ducks in a row before suspending Brady for 4 games next season. That is the suspension for first time PED offenders, right?

  16. The NFL wants to be the most popular sport. In order to be popular, you need a lot of attention–and that includes negative attention.

    As much as Goodell likes to control everything, he can’t control what the news and people talk about. And quite frankly, I think he’s lost control he was proudly “bragged” about. He got a little power happy, and now that is slowly coming back to haunt him.

  17. I don’t believe any of these anonymous sources anymore. Too many have been wrong.

    Waiting for facts.

  18. The reports that the balls were 2lbs light have not been verified by anyone from the league only by the talking heads and how many times has something been reported (salaries) only to have a different actual result. Is it possible the balls were at 12.5 psi and lost weight that is less than was reported.

    Since BB & TB have been tried and convicted by fans of the other NFL teams, there is no need to wait for the actual facts to come out. There is not always a clear cut answer especially when nature can be involved.

    Personally I LOVE the hate toward the Patriots as I believe as history has shown, you don’t tug on Superman’s Cape or “poke the bear”

    Most Patriot fans will agree that we couldn’t care less what is believed.The Patriots tend to respond well when faced with controversy.

    Be careful what you wish for!

  19. Balls were inflated to 12.5, the legal bottom, checked by the officials and given the OK. Then they lost air pressure after being outside in the cold which means not legal. No one takes the fall. That’s going to be what you get.

    Then its just up to you whether you want to believe the NFL or not.

    All this hang wringing and posturing will be wasted time.

  20. Its also easy to take Mortensen’s report as inaccurate. He was the same reporter in October that broke the story of a major rift between Brady and the coaches, and we should see Brady playing for another team, and Jimmy Garoppolo under center.

  21. I’ve read a lot about how QBs and kickers are weird about their football preferences. But I’ve wondered, what if the receivers catch properly inflated balls better? What if the QB likes it underinflated but the center snaps an overinflated ball easier. There are so many variables to consider here to say that this is clearly cheating. I mean, against the rules, yes, but will it give a team an advantage over another? Very debatable.

  22. For those of you people who flunked Physics, and I never realized how many of you are out there: Just like an auto tire, ball air pressure depends on the temp. The experts tell us not to measure the pressure in the tires when they are hot, but wait for them to cool down. Fill a ball to a legal 12.5 lbs at 72 degrees, and after a short time in a 41 degree temp the law of physics will reduce the pressure below 12.5. The opposite is true in the hot temp areas. Fill a ball to 13.5 in a 72 degree room and after a short time in a 90 degree stadium temp the law of physics will force the pressure above 13.5. Thus in either case the pressure during the games will vary based on temp, and would be normal to fall outside of the specifications without any human help. The math calculations show that a ball filled to 12.5 lbs. (legal) at 75 degrees inside temp will drop to 10.9 lbs. at 45 degrees. The outside temp was actually 41, so the pressure would have been even lower (about 10.5) lbs. This affects each ball the same way. No human intervention is required.
    The only time the Patriots were nailed for cheating was in 2007 for illegal videos. Every other innuendo and false allegation against them has failed to produce any evidence that anything wrong happened, and they have been cleared. It seems that success for one team breeds serious contempt from the competition’s fans.

  23. Here is where we are :

    1) A disgruntled Indy reporter pissed he can’t go the super bowl (exagerates) a story.
    2) ESPN Chris Mortenson says 11 of 12 ball under inflated (unnamed source) of unknown origin.
    3) All hell breaks loose
    4) After 4 days we have a bunch of unsubstantiated rumor and un-named sources
    5) The NFL has produced no evidence that

  24. Just the fact that they hadn’t even spoken to Brady after four days only proves that the cover-up is the priority right now.

    “Let’s all get on the same age here guys, OK?”

    Same Goodell, different day…

  25. What is every bitter football fan bitching about ? This is pathetic ! ESPN and casual football fans are talking more about inflation than CSNBC. The Patriots will win the Superbowl and shove your hatred towards them down your throat! You will see the Patriots gets the last laugh on you !

  26. Here’s a theory for you:

    Someone in the Colts organization sabotaged the Patriots footballs so it would look like they cheated – or – they sabotaged the footballs thinking it would mess up Brady’s throwing game thus giving the Colts a better chance to win.

    Off with their heads! Strip them of all trophies, clothes and self respect! Take away draft picks!

    See how ridiculous this is all getting? Let’s move on to the Super Bowl and talk about real football.

  27. The NFL is being careful not to get swept up in all this media-driven hysteria. They will announce a determination after the hysteria has died down after the super bowl.

  28. If it was not a big deal and the issue was strictly weather related then why not say that and squash this thing asap? Or, since they are all about the money, they are milking this thing and hoping that the viewership for the superbowl is increased….Controversy Creates Cash!

  29. First of all, let me say I hate the Patriots! I cannot understand why they are held up as such an outstanding org. This is not the first time they have cheated. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
    It is easy to me as to why they have not talked to Shady yet. They probably know he is the one that organized the whole thing.
    It was really manly of him to throw the equipment mngrs. under the bus!

  30. That’s because the patriots through their cheating ways have embarrassed the entire league. What a dirty nasty organization. All I think of when I think patriots is Aaron Hernandez and spygate. Now, add deflate gate and eligible receivers to the list. This team should be sold and moved to LA.

  31. Mort has been a hack the last 2 decades. Glazer and Schefter are far better at breaking news. Has any other reporter confirmed Mort’s report? Mort is like Kiper and Berman – been at ESPN forever, but sub par at their jobs. If they hadn’t have started at ESPN when it was young, they’d be considered hacks and reading sports on the 5:00 local news in Des Moines, or Fargo.

  32. The media should be asking for phone records for Goodell & Kraft since Sunday’ gam. This would be telling. The NFL again looks bad because its idiot commissioner can’t decide on whether to come down on his buddy Kraft! It is simple… the Pats again caught cheating. It doesn’t matter what level of cheating, it is cheating. There are rules for a reason – the Pats once again broke them. Bellichick has a pattern of deception and should be banned from the sports- like Pete Rose from baseball. Kraft should be suspended a year. Brady – 2 games. No 2015 draft picks, and no pre-season home games. If… If… Goodell is a man of integrity and wants to protect the shield, the hammer must fall.

  33. Hey cajuntigerman01:

    There is a huge difference between a few ounces of air in a ball and having NFL caliber coaches calling on their players to end players careers, out here in the real world if your boss asked you to break someone legs or any other type of injury both you and your boss would go to jail over that. The Saints are very lucky that law enforcement didn’t get involved back then, of course by the sound of your complaint you would find jailing them wrong too. So sad.

  34. It’s possible that you have offered little in fact but much in innuendo.

    It’s possible that a new crew (these guys did not work with each other all year) screwed up the initial testing ( I haven’t seen you float out that theory) due to simple human error.

    It is possible that the NFL, due to its own public relations problems throughout the year, wanted to project the appearance that they were being diligent.

    It’s possible that virtually everyone commenting on the story had an agenda.

    The emphasis in you thread is on the word “possible” and you should not indict people in the United States for what’s possible an/or immaterial.

    Of course, I grew up Roman Catholic so the difference between a mortal sin and a venial sin was driven into me at an early age. I was also told to adhere to Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”

  35. I still say that Harbaugh and Pagano orchestrated this whole thing. Who has an axe to grind with the Pats more than these two clowns? Mortenson has been wrong more than once…can we please stop all of this crap and play the game? All of the Patriots and their fans know that they are going to be called cheaters no matter what comes of this. We all know it,and we don’t care. At least we don’t support murderers and wife beaters like some other teams.

  36. All nfl investgations have minor speed bumps unless it involves the patriots. Then procedures are not followed and major problems happen, then they have problem finding evidence after things are real messy. Weird how this benefits the patriots.

  37. joker65 says: Jan 23, 2015 9:04 AM

    Balls were inflated to 12.5, the legal bottom, checked by the officials and given the OK. Then they lost air pressure after being outside in the cold which means not legal. No one takes the fall. That’s going to be what you get.

    Then its just up to you whether you want to believe the NFL or not.

    All this hang wringing and posturing will be wasted time.

    bridgeh2o says:

    That would have been a great theory, BUT it was reported by Jerry Austin that the Colts 12 footballs ALL met specifications, while 11/12 Patriot footballs came out 2 psi LESS than the lowest acceptable psi.

    So, the weather would effect ALL the balls, but the pats were the only ones that came out flat?

    So, your theory is debunked.

    Had the Colts footballs been underinflated as well, you would have an argument, BUT THE COLTS FOOTBALLS WERE TESTED AND CAME OUT LEGAL.

  38. The league has nothing and now is trying to figure out how to douse the burning at the stake the media has put the patriots through.

  39. Kick them out of the playoffs. Bal and Indy play this Sunday for the AFC Champ.

    blah, blah – not eough time to prepare, not as much rest as Sea, SB week agendas – blah, blah.

    Both Ravens and Ind would do it in a heartbeat at a HS field with no media if they had to.

    Problem solved.

  40. In 2011, Brady went on record as saying that he doesn’t always tell the truth when talking to the media, because that just adds to the controversy. He’s probably right about the media, but if there was ever a time to level with the public about what happened it was yesterday for either Belichick or Brady. The balls didn’t just magically deflate.

  41. I keep hearing these scientists going on about psi and ambient temp. Problem is, apparently, is that the Pats balls were under limit and the Colts were not. How is that possible if not tampered with?

    I still say the only way to either confirm or clear this issue is for the league to request lie detector tests for the ball boys on up. Employers requiring lie detector tests is common place. If the Pats are telling the truth then I would think they would jump at the chance to clear this up. If they refuse, then there you go…….

  42. If it was .2 and not 2, why would the NFL not just stop this madness right now? Ofcourse it was 2 psi and ofcourse it wasnt weather (or else nfl would say that and end this). There was cheating, the NFL is tryiing to find out who. My guess is they say they cant put blame on one person, they take away draft picks next yr and fine. Thats NOTHING. How many more times do they need to cheat before suspensions and or life bans? The patriots could pay off a guy to mess with the clock to screww the other team over and pats fans would demean it and say “c’mon, its really not THAT big of a deal”. Cheating is cheating. Patriots are cheaters. Like it or not, their “dynasty” started with the worst rule of all time- tuck rule, and it was built up by lying and cheating.

  43. Looks like the league got caught trying to screw the Pats out of another SB like they did with the non existent “Walk through tapes.” this league should be heavily fined. of course, like last time, no one will even know there was an apology.

  44. For those of you who try to use the temperature change excuse. The Pats balls were 2 psi below the required pressure. The required pressure is between 12.5 and 13.5. So at the very least (if the Pats balls were at the minimum), they lost at least 2 psi. If the Colts ballls were at the maximum (13.5) and they were out in the same conditions as the Pats balls, they would have also lost at least 2psi putting them at 11.5 and below the minimum. But none of the Colts balls were measured below the minimum. Explain how the Pats balls lost more psi than the Colts without something special being done to the Pats balls.

  45. crownofthehelmet says:
    Jan 23, 2015 9:32 AM
    Kick them out of the playoffs. Bal and Indy play this Sunday for the AFC Champ.

    blah, blah – not eough time to prepare, not as much rest as Sea, SB week agendas – blah, blah.

    Both Ravens and Ind would do it in a heartbeat at a HS field with no media if they had to.

    Problem solved.


    Except it’s a stupid idea.

    They should be thrown out or suspended for what’s in the rule book is a 25k fine. Minnesota did the same thing messing with ball during the game a few weeks ago and got a fine. No one said a word.

    But it’s the Patriots and the crybabies come out

  46. Why not also point out the incorrect report of DQwell Jackson turning over his incepted ball to trainers because it felt a little weird? As it turns out, THaT too was completely false and he just wanted to keep a souvenir ball from an interception in an AFC championship game, go figure.

  47. This is rich, Steeler fans and Ravens fans talking about integrity !!!

    Half the players from the Steelers teams from the 70’s are dead due to steroid abuse.

    Ray Lewis/Ray Rice do I need to say more???

  48. It’s (also) possible that there is zero physical evidence of tampering and the NFL is trying to figure a way not to look like complete idiots when they are unable to sanction the Patriots for something they didn’t do.

  49. My theory.. the NFL has put itself into a seriously BAD position.

    What if the NFL is now discovering that the officals DID NOT weigh and check the balls as they initially claimed? Referee’s say “yea, we checked em.” Not knowing that this thing was going to grow legs like it has and now suddenly they say “well, we didn’t check them for pressure exactly..” where does that put Goodell now; after the whole Rice thing?

    It would explain why Brady hasn’t been contacted.

    Remember, we are taking the officials statement of “yes, we checked them” at a 100% certainty.. what if it’s not? It’s not like the officials have be completely reliable is it?

    In the end, unless the NFL has significant and solid proof that New England tampered with the footballs, then the punishment is going to be lighter than what the “torches and pitchforks” mob is looking for.

  50. FLASH: It has been reported by LIE-able sources this is a league wide conspiracy orchestrated by the infamous, Ball Boy Illuminati. Teams have been warned to be on alert of all ball boy activities, as the BBI may have infiltrated more than one team. As we develop more on this story we will keep the public informed. UPDATE: Advisories have also been sent to colleges, high schools, Pop Warner leagues, and neighborhood playgrounds to be on the look out for the Ball Boy Illuminati.

  51. belbobelbo says: Jan 23, 2015 9:00 AM

    Does Julian Edelman make that TD throw with his little hands in 20 degree weather if the ball is properly inflated?
    ————————————————————
    The guy was a college QB and played in Ohio, so of course he could only throw a football 30 yards in winter if he was cheating?

  52. I have heard that the NFL once upon a time, had complete control over game balls , but this practice was changed a few years ago and and now the balls are given over to the home team after the officials inspection . Is this true ? If it is then what is Goodell’s explanation ?

  53. hairpie2 says:
    Jan 23, 2015 9:36 AM

    you saying the league is at fault for spygate and this is as ignorant as saying the drugg tester is at fault for the lance armstrong thing. You were fined $750K for spygate….and yet pats fans say its something “everyone” does. Last time i checked not “Every” team was being fined almost a million dollars.

  54. I can’t see anything major coming of this until after the SuperBowl is played.

    No suspensions, no disqualifications, nothing earth shattering.

    It may not follow the letter of the law but it seems a rather small matter. Although Belichek looked like he was sweating a bit.

    I think it one of those countless factors that nobody ever pays attention to until somebody notices it and then it becomes a major news event.

    Even if Brady did have the balls deflated after the fact. So what? Is it that much of an advantage that the Pats should be disqualified?

    I think why there was 12 balls taken and only 1 deflated is this:

    The NFL only inspected one ball, the properly inflated ball. They probably always took a “sample”. The Pats knew this and put 11 balls that were under pressure and 1 ball that they presented for review. The NFL then passed all the balls as acceptable. How’s that? The NFL falls on its own sword because they did not do the job right and the Pats exploited a loophole.

    Loophole closed, back to football.

  55. Marv says:
    “..Original Mortensen report has been taken down by espn. Go figure…”

    No it hasn’t.
    It may have been moved off the front page but it’s still very much there…

    “..11 of 12 Pats footballs underinflated
    Updated: January 21, 2015, 9:36 PM ET
    By Chris Mortensen | ESPN
    ESPN’s Chris Mortensen breaks down the NFL’s finding that 11 of the Patriots’ 12 game footballs were underinflated by 2 pounds for the AFC Championship Game…”

  56. @bridge

    Your theory is based on the 2psi drop being accurate, let’s all wait to see if that is true.

    Colts balls start at 13.5, go down to 12 something during the game.
    Pats balls start at 12.5, go down to 11 something, which is not legal anymore.

    So the weather affects both balls, but the starting point is DIFFERENT which is huge.

    Also, the Dquell Jackson was reported as well…..how’do that story pan out?

    Now go put the pitchfork down

  57. Or the league has figured out how to properly conduct an investigation. You never address individual pieces of evidence or information. You put it all together, work to find a conclusion and then release all the findings at one time. Mortensen, Glazer and Co. are going to look really stupid if their reports turn out to be wrong and the league can’t find any evidence of wrongdoing.

  58. If the leaked report was incorrect it seems the NFL could put the brakes on this by saying the footballs met specifications, assuming they were even tested. But even if the footballs were deflated, and even if they know it was intentional, and even if they know who did it and the chain of command, they can drag their feet on this for however long they want unless the networks, sponsors, advertisers, and/or owners weigh in. Just saying.

  59. Whole bunch of Pats fans making excuses. It says it all about the fan base. They are now the most classless fanbase in sports. Congratulations Eagles fans.

  60. rocbills:
    I have heard that the NFL once upon a time, had complete control over game balls , but this practice was changed a few years ago and and now the balls are given over to the home team after the officials inspection . Is this true ? If it is then what is Goodell’s explanation ?
    ____________________
    This was approved thru the Competition Committee due to push from Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Goodell had nothing to do with the change.

  61. gashmr says:
    Jan 23, 2015 9:56 AM

    your justifying cheating. And this is the RULE. the tuck rule was the worst ever, but it was a RULE and pats benefited from it. And after being caught cheating once, do you think the pats would cheat again if it didnt help them out a lot? No one breaks the law if it isnt worth it. Maybe they were avoiding another fumble like brady did against the Raiders, so they deflated balls to make them easier to hold onto.

  62. No way brady, BB or the pats werent aware that all 12 balls were taken at 1/2 time and swapped out for balls Brady didnt approve. They were aware, and even if not, no way brady had no idea 12 balls that he didnt approve were being used in 2nd half- qb’s absolutely know- he’s been a pro for 14 yrs. Now to quote Gone Baby Gone- “He lied to me. Now I can’t think of one reason big enough for him to lie about that’s small enough not to matter.”

  63. The early leaks were most likely nothing more than a little misinformation to aid the interviewers in the investigation. The NFL Security guys are former FBI and Law Enforcement and this is a common tactic for them (using the media for a little disinformation). Believe me, nothing got out to the media that they didn’t want released for one purpose or another.

    Also, there are a few reasons Brady wasn’t interviewed prior to the press conference:

    1. They can rule out that he himself physically altered the balls
    2. No one on the team has (yet) implicated him as giving an order to deflate the balls after ref certification
    3. The league doesn’t have enough (or even any) evidence to tie this back to him

    With all of the above you will not get an admission in an interview, so you wait and see what else you can get for evidence before talking to him.

    Just wait until the league announces their findings. Until then everything is just speculation and rumor.

  64. xxsweepthelegxx says:
    Jan 23, 2015 9:56 AM
    @bridge

    Your theory is based on the 2psi drop being accurate, let’s all wait to see if that is true.

    Colts balls start at 13.5, go down to 12 something during the game.
    Pats balls start at 12.5, go down to 11 something, which is not legal anymore.

    So the weather affects both balls, but the starting point is DIFFERENT which is huge.

    Also, the Dquell Jackson was reported as well…..how’do that story pan out?

    Now go put the pitchfork down
    __________________________________

    Wa wa waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!

    That would make the Colts balls illegal. Which it has already been reported they were not.

    I love Pats fans and their science, compared to how science actually works!! Well when I fill my Michelins up in the summer they lose pressure in the winter. So these footballs could have just deflated on their own!! Maybe they flew the Pats’ balls to the arctic and tested them in the required subzero temps.

    Let me go get my pitch fork again!!

  65. If this all turns out to be farce and it turns out the NFL failed to do its job and the media was responsible for all the hype, will the Patriots get an apology? I doubt it. As a long time Patriot’s fan, I am embarrassed by ignorance of NFL “fans”, the failure of the NFL to take the responsibility in a timely manner and the media who piles on the crap in the name of money. I am NOT embarrassed by the team I will always support.

  66. Funny how just one was marginally low (if we believe Mortensen’s report) and the other 11 were significantly low.

    Is it possible Walt Anderson checked just one and wrote off the other 11 as OK?

    Or, could it be Mortensen’s report is off and the psi was off by .2 lbs rather than 2 lbs of pressure.

    This whole thing is a mess regardless of where you stand.

  67. gashmr says:
    Jan 23, 2015 9:56 AM

    your justifying cheating. And this is the RULE. the tuck rule was the worst ever, but it was a RULE and pats benefited from it. And after being caught cheating once, do you think the pats would cheat again if it didnt help them out a lot? No one breaks the law if it isnt worth it. Maybe they were avoiding another fumble like brady did against the Raiders, so they deflated balls to make them easier to hold onto.

    —————————————————————-

    I can see your point. But I do npot advocate cheating.

    Every time a lineman holds, or a DB interferes they cheat. They have flags for that.

    Hell, look what happens when a defenseless receiver or player gets whacked. The guy who did it gets a penalty, or a fine or both.

    I am not justifying cheating. I am asking was this cheating? Or was it the NFL being lazy and a team exploiting a loophole?

    Does this mean that Brady has all his victories vacated? That Belichek gets banned?

    If the cheated fine them, or suspend them and move on. But it isn;t like they destroyed the integrity of the game, (whatever that is nowadays) with a few balls deflated to make them more comfortable for Brady.

  68. boblavoie says:
    Jan 23, 2015 10:22 AM

    Ok nfl will give patriots an apology if they are wrong. BUT if pats are found out to be tampering, immediately suspensions should happen and YOU can apologize to all non pats fans for ignorantly supporting a franchise KNOWN for cheat. They are your team, but your disgraceful for blindly supporting them no matter how much they cheat. Pats fans should say “if they cheated again, im ashamed. We built a “dynasty” on multiple cheating scandals and maybe arent as good as we thought”.

  69. I submit, as has been noted elsewhere, that the referees did not test the suspect footballs with a gauge BEFORE the game, but “passed” the balls on the basis of a visual and tactile inspection. Ipso facto, there was no “tampering.” The balls were simply not inspected in accordance with the NFL’s rules by its own employees. Under this this scenario, it is very easy to accept that neither Belichick nor Brady lied. Finslly, it has already been established that the Patriots scored 17 points with the allegedly “tainted” balls, and 28 points with the regulation balls. The Colts scored 7 points with regulation balls. In sum, this is not a scandal, but employee incompetence on the part of the NFL.

  70. gashmr says:
    Jan 23, 2015 10:28 AM

    there is no rule about using brand new balls or worn in balls, there IS a rule saying 12.5-13.5 psi. So entering a ball at 12.5 then altering it to less is 100% cheating. There is no if’s ands or buts about it. Cheating, period. There is no loophole. How can you say that? its not like a judgement call, its a face- 12.5-13.5 psi. And yes, with pass interference or holding, sometimes ur called sometimes ur not, but if your called you cant complain. You violated a rule. And a fine means nothing. Its a second offense. They have to let them know cheating is 100% not allowed. Immediate suspensions should happen. You cheated to get to where you are this year, so you dont deserve to be there- that seems pretty fair.

  71. letsgobuffalo, who said anything about Spygate? Im talking about the bogus “Matt Walsh walkthrough tapes” that the league forced Pats coaches to miss a day of prep the day before the SB to respond to even though it was later discovered it was a complete fabrication. If that was your team, don’t you think youd be a little upset? no one notices a tiny espn apology in the ombudsman column or an apology from the Boston Herald.

  72. @kep double GG Dogg

    My bad. Since NO ONE has evidence of the correct psi’s, Colts started at 13.5 and ended at 12.5.
    Pat’s started at 12.5 and ended under 12.5

    The point is the starting pressure for both teams is different

    Like most childish people, when pressured you say things like”Waahhhh” to prove your points, congrats, you look stupid.

    Stick to the facts we do know:
    DQwell Jackson report was UNTRUE.
    Pagano is a liar when asked if he knew anything about the balls after the game, clearly he knew back in November
    Air pressure decreases when placed in colder climate
    You and Harbaugh are similar
    Pats are in the SB

  73. hairpie2 says:
    Jan 23, 2015 10:49 AM

    Yes i would be upset. But if there are allegations of cheating- they HAVE to be looked into. If pats did nothing wrong then they ignore media and wait for the truth. BUT, if they cheated to get into the super bowl- and your team was the colts or ravens……how would you feel? I think if caught cheating again then immediate suspensions need to happen. Repeat offender, a fine does nothing, as we’ve seen ppl like suh gettin fined all the time.

  74. @ Sweep the leg. That Wa Wa Waaaahhhh was meant to be more of the “you lose” sound similar to that in the Price as Right, not a crying sound. Although, I can see where without sound it would be misinterpreted.

    The Facts…

    The equipment manager noticed the ball was deflated.

    When asked on Monday, Pagano said he didn’t notice it, and it was something for the league to handle. He didn’t say he wasn’t aware that they were looking into it. He didn’t say that he wasn’t aware of it being an issue in November.

    It has been reported that 11/12 balls were 2.0 PSI below what is allowed

    End of Facts______________________

    So you are hanging your hat on the fact that it was originally reported that this was noticed BY D’qwell Jackson when he picked the ball off, not WHEN D’qwell Jackson picked it off? Seems like a reach.

    Do you really think that if there was solid scientific proof that the balls could deflate to what they were found to be at, that they would let this drag on? To be 2.0 PSI below (10.5) the balls would have had to been in -15 degree temps.

  75. Guys – it’s physically impossible the balls could have lost 2 lbs of PSI simply by sitting outside. Unless the Patriots inflated them with 120+F air.

    Mort could very well be wrong, but this idea that the balls can deflate on their own is ABSOLUTELY wrong. Literally, this is high-school level physics. P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2.

  76. If the temp that day (41 degrees) drops the balls 2 psi then game balls played at Lambeau would drop 10 psi and the balls would be 85% flat. Last time i checked no game has played with a flat ball that was thrown like a frisbee.

  77. I will say that Bill and Tom are playing this the right way. We have no idea about pressure in a football. We have no idea how this happened. I don’t think that the league will be able to do anything in the end of this.

  78. larryravor says:

    It was really manly of him to throw the equipment mngrs. under the bus!

    ———————————————————
    When, exactly, did he do THAT???

    I heard the whole presser yesterday, he never even mentioned the equipment manager.

  79. Of course the leaks have stopped. That’s what happens when pressure from the inside matches pressure from the outside.

  80. Had the Colts footballs been underinflated as well, you would have an argument, BUT THE COLTS FOOTBALLS WERE TESTED AND CAME OUT LEGAL.
    ===

    Legal is a range. We haven’t been told what the exact half-time (cold) pressure of the Colts balls were. If the Colts’ balls were inflated cold, they would not have lost as much – if any – pressure. If they were inflated warm to max spec pressure or over it, they would have lost pressure but would still have been in the legal range.

  81. I still say the only way to either confirm or clear this issue is for the league to request lie detector tests for the ball boys on up.
    ===
    Polygraphs are notoriously inaccurate.

  82. With all of the above you will not get an admission in an interview, so you wait and see what else you can get for evidence before talking to him.
    ===
    It’s like the lawyer’s rule that you don’t ask a witness questions that you don’t know the answer to.

  83. Whats more likely- “the colts inflated their balls with extra cold air while pats filled theirs with extra warm air”, or “the temperature on the pats side was much colder than the colts side”, or “the ball boy went rogue and did this all on his own!”……………OR the team that is known to be cheaters, just, ya know, cheated again.

  84. I love Pats fans and their science, compared to how science actually works!! Well when I fill my Michelins up in the summer they lose pressure in the winter. So these footballs could have just deflated on their own!! Maybe they flew the Pats’ balls to the arctic and tested them in the required subzero temps.
    ==
    No one is saying the Colts balls didn’t deflate. If they were inflated and tested warm, they did deflate. You’ll not that no source has said that the Colts’ balls were the same pressure before the game and at half time. It has only been said that they were legal before the game and at half time. Since legal is a range, this is still consistent with all of the balls losing pressure due to cold.

    It’s only people like you that are misunderstanding the Ideal Gas Law. It’s only people like you that think that there’s some magic number that the temperature must drop below before air pressure in a container falls. There is not. It is a linear process across all temperatures from absolute zero on up.

  85. Guys – it’s physically impossible the balls could have lost 2 lbs of PSI simply by sitting outside. Unless the Patriots inflated them with 120+F air.

    Mort could very well be wrong, but this idea that the balls can deflate on their own is ABSOLUTELY wrong. Literally, this is high-school level physics. P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2.
    ===
    High school physics, huh?

    Then you get a big red X- but partial credit for using the right equation. Check your pressure values. You’re probably using gauge pressure, and you need to use absolute pressure. I calculated it out the other day with the assumption that the halftime cold temp of the balls was 50F and 10.5PSI gauge. At 90 F the gauge pressure was 12.48 PSI and at 100 F it was 12.97 PSI. I didn’t do 120 F, because 110 F was 13.47 PSI..

  86. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 23, 2015 1:22 PM

    No, what non pats fans are saying is that if colts started at 13.5 and at halftime were still in legal limit (lowest of 12.5), then the MOST the temp affected a ball was 1 psi. So if Pats balls lost 2 psi, then weather is not the only factor in the deflation- hence cheating. And why would the 12th Pats ball not be 2 psi under if its just weather related? Is the weather like dentists? 11 out of 12 disagree with the cold weather?

  87. Whats more likely- “the colts inflated their balls with extra cold air while pats filled theirs with extra warm air”, or “the temperature on the pats side was much colder than the colts side”, or “the ball boy went rogue and did this all on his own!”……………OR the team that is known to be cheaters, just, ya know, cheated again.
    ===

    You forgot one:

    The Colts inflated their balls to at or above maximum warm and the Pats inflated their balls to at or below minimum warm. The refs did a squeeze test, and didn’t use a gauge. All balls got cold. All balls lost pressure. The Pats balls – if they were within spec – fell out. The Colts balls – if they were within spec – stayed legal, or -if they were above spec – fell in.

    This is literally the simplest explanation. I suspect you left it out intentionally, because it is also the most benign, and relies merely on the referees not paying extremely close attention to the balls.

  88. The league is going to be very careful with this one. If they end up pinning it on Brady it’s possible this guy could sing like a bird involving other teams & their qb’s. One name that comes to mind is Peyton Manning who joined forces with Brady to lobby the league that each team have control of their own balls. Look at his stats. I imagine he knows an awful lot about what is going on league wide.

  89. No, what non pats fans are saying is that if colts started at 13.5 and at halftime were still in legal limit (lowest of 12.5), then the MOST the temp affected a ball was 1 psi. So if Pats balls lost 2 psi, then weather is not the only factor in the deflation- hence cheating. And why would the 12th Pats ball not be 2 psi under if its just weather related? Is the weather like dentists? 11 out of 12 disagree with the cold weather?
    ===

    Right.. But do we know they were actually 13.5? The league hasn’t come out and said, “The officials used a pressure gauge on the balls and documented that all balls were within the legal range.” Anonymous sources have said that the Colts balls were legal before and at half time. That’s it.

    In fact, the league has said nothing about anything.

  90. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 23, 2015 1:32 PM

    Oh, so ALL of those specific things happening is more possible than “the cheaters cheated again”. And ALL balls were within range and said to have been checked the right way. Thats not a squeeze test. Colts balls were not more than 13.5, so they couldnt have dropped more than 1psi. Pats balls, even at the low end (which it hasnt been said they started at 12.5- it coulda been 13.5), dropped AT LEAST 2 psi. So unless weather affected one side of the field than the other, then there was fowl play. And if pats used “warm air”, why havent they used that excuse yet? Lol pats fans are grasping at straws. Hey, it is possible aliens came down and deflated the balls- i mean technically we cant PROVE that didnt happen.

  91. And why would the 12th Pats ball not be 2 psi under if its just weather related? Is the weather like dentists? 11 out of 12 disagree with the cold weather?
    ===

    I’ve read that they were all flat, but that 11 were about 2 PSI flat. We don’t know which ball that was. If it was the intercepted ball, you can basically ignore it because of chain-of-custody.

    The other issue I’ve got with much of the reporting on this is the “2 PSI number”. Is that “2.0PSI” meaning gauge pressure of 10.5 PSI? Or is it 2 with rounding. Also, are we sure that that’s in reference to the minimum, or is it in reference to the midpoint or the maximum? Some reporting on this has been very confused.

    In any case, as much as 1.1 PSI of the drop can be explained solely by the room temp to outside temperature difference. Anything more than that requires investigation, but it’s quite possible that such an investigation will reveal something as benign as “The refs didn’t use a gauge on the balls. They squeezed them and approved them. At half time, they found them low and replaced them.” If that’s what comes back, will you accept it or will you call that a coverup?

  92. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 23, 2015 1:35 PM

    Yes, right now we are going off of reports. But all reports have said the balls were checked correctly- and that includes a gauge. And it says all balls were legal before the game (does it matter if colts started at 12.5 or 13.5?). Worst case scenario the colts started at 13.5 and were 12.5 at halftime (if reports are true- which there is no reason to think they arent. NFL is waiting to officially release everything but reports are generally accurate. No one pulled the “11 out of 12 balls” out of a hat) then the pats balls deflated AT LEAST twice as much as the pats ball. Does this even matter? if it comes out there was 100% tampering of ball pats fans will say it doesnt matter and continue to naively think their “dynasty” is built on honestly and just great play and not on lies and cheating.

  93. Pats balls, even at the low end (which it hasnt been said they started at 12.5- it coulda been 13.5)
    ===

    Brady in the past has said he like a low-end ball. If you’re gonna talk, try to be informed. It really helps.

  94. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 23, 2015 1:42 PM

    reports say the balls were correctly checked before the game, do you think “squeezing them” is considered correctly tested? Balls have to be between 12.5-13.5 psi, they’d HAVE to use a gauge to know that. And the report was 2 psi under, so yes 10.5. We need more clarification, but according to reports, the balls (all 24) started between 12.5-13.5 and 11 of the pats 12 balls dropped 2 psi while 12 of the colts 12 remained i the legal limit. If found that there was tampering, will you admit patriots are flat out cheaters and have deserved all their success?

  95. No one pulled the “11 out of 12 balls” out of a hat
    ===

    You did – or at least you misinterpreted it. Every report I’ve seen said that they were all low and that 11 were 2 PSI low. Not 2.0 PSI low. The former figure allows for rounding.

    There are three basic explanations for 10.5 PSI gauge cold balls:
    1) The refs didn’t gauge the balls, and the Pats handed them a 12.o PSI (or less) gauge warm ball, which was approved,
    2) The refs did gauge the balls, and someone let air out after the refs gauge the balls,
    3) The refs did gauge the balls, but the Pats gave them hot (90 F would do) balls that were 12.5 PSI gauge. These balls then cooled to 10.5 PSI gauge outside.

    Only two is clearly illegal. Three is murky, but probably not illegal. One is entirely the referees’ (and thus the league’s) fault.

    Of those one is the simplest. People ignoring rote elements of their job happens all the time.

  96. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 23, 2015 1:48 PM

    So what exactly were their balls measured at before the game? B/c as far as im “informed” it was just said that they were legal, and no specific number. Saying brady likes them at the low end doesnt guarantee them right at 12.5, does it? And if you want to talk about what Brady says, he said 2 years ago he likes underinflated balls, thats quote. But yesterday he said he likes them at the low end of legal limit- which is not underinflated. So which is it? And if he likes them at the ‘low end’ then how does he not know the difference in the second half? Seems like he is specific about what he likes- any changes he would know about. He’s lying, no reason to lie unless ur guilty.

  97. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 23, 2015 1:57 PM

    It could be the refs, but its already been said they correctly checked the balls. And filling them with extremely hot air is shady at best, but TECHNICALLY if its legal, why wouldnt pats just say thats what they did and end this? They did something legal right? So why not just say that? Pats did that wierd subbing and everything against the ravens, its bushleauge, but its legal. If pats could have ended all this madness with a simple solution- dont you think they would have?

  98. And the report was 2 psi under, so yes 10.5.

    2 PSI is not 2.0 PSI.
    ===
    reports say the balls were correctly checked before the game, do you think “squeezing them” is considered correctly tested?

    If you pick up a ball and it feels fine, why would you stick a gauge in it? No report has actually said what “correctly tested” means. Until some report actually says that they gauged every ball, you can’t assume they did.
    ==

    If found that there was tampering, will you admit patriots are flat out cheaters and have deserved all their success?

    If someone was found to have taken the air out, punishment as the leauge bylaws allow is due . Hint: The punishment suggested by the bylaws does not suggest suspensions, loss of draft picks, or vacating of results as many have hoped. Anything beyond a $25,000 fine would have to be supported by some other section of the NFL’s internal rules. Does he really want to set that sort of a precedent for a trifling offense? Would the other owners whose QBs also doctor footballs (in other words, all of them)?

  99. It could be the refs, but its already been said they correctly checked the balls. And filling them with extremely hot air is shady at best, but TECHNICALLY if its legal, why wouldnt pats just say thats what they did and end this? They did something legal right? So why not just say that? Pats did that wierd subbing and everything against the ravens, its bushleauge, but its legal. If pats could have ended all this madness with a simple solution- dont you think they would have?
    ===
    In a word: No.

    I’d type out a longer explanation, but it seems someone with the power to delete has an objection to the explanation. That, or the commenting software is redirecting my post to /dev/null. I’ve lost three posts so far, so I’m very sorry that I cannot be more expansive on the subject.

  100. #1 NFL finally issued a statement- saying the balls were measured CORRECTLY to be between 12.5-13.5 psi before the game. So its now a fact (no one just squeezed the balls). #2 we can talk about weather all day- NFL is a multi billion dollar company, im SURE they have asked renoun physicist about the possibility of the weather making this much affect and telling us it coulda been the weather. So, shall we consider aliens now?

  101. Then it’s probably just another stupid bug. That makes me feel better.

    Basically, it boils down to the investigated not doing the investigator’s job. “Cooperating with the investigation” means making available specific information that the investigator requests, making people available for interviews, and answering truthfully to specific questions.

    NEP doesn’t actually care what anybody outside the NFL Commish’s office thinks, and they’re not going to put out info that they don’t have to put out. They never do. I would almost venture to guess that they rather be asked questions about footballs instead of questions about the Seahawks.

  102. #1 NFL finally issued a statement- saying the balls were measured CORRECTLY to be between 12.5-13.5 psi before the game. So its now a fact (no one just squeezed the balls). #2 we can talk about weather all day- NFL is a multi billion dollar company, im SURE they have asked renoun physicist about the possibility of the weather making this much affect and telling us it coulda been the weather. So, shall we consider aliens now?
    ==

    Cool… There’s a good Peter King video of a crew testing balls. They use a gauge. Heisenberg probably applies a little here, but if the procedure is to use a gauge, they probably always use a gauge.

    No need to go to aliens yet. The first PSI low is just the laws of physics acting on a 12.5 PSI ball. The “second” PSI is the question. Was it hot air/balls or needles? The thing is, even it was needles, the NFL needs to prove when, who, and how. There’s no “we know you did something nefarious but we can’t figure out what it was, who dunnit, or how you did it” clause in the NFL’s rules.

  103. Also – you don’t need to be a renowned physicist to know how much a ball is going to deflate in colder air. A competent engineer would probably do the trick, and with far fewer research assistants.

    Up until this point no one has actually cared that the ball deflates when it gets cold. That doesn’t mean that it didn’t because it did. There’s no Lambeau Field exception to the Ideal Gas Law. AR just likes his balls super-duper hard. Even harder than legal if he can slip it by.

  104. Yes AR likes them filled up more, but never tampers after they are inspected. And If there was a simple answer here, then they would have said so. Basically its foul play and now its a search for “who did it”. Which i think will be very hard to figure out 100%, hence suspensions, b/c you cant say “ok well we dont know exactly who, but we know for sure someone cheated. So we’ere gonna let this go with a fine to the team.” Cheating is cheating in my eys, obviously a qb with smaller hands benefits a LOT more from underinflated balls. Infact, qb’s drop ROUNDS in the draft based on hand size- and thats b/c the balls are a certain size and filled to a certain amt- you cant mess with that. I think they are 100% guilty, but i dont think they will figure out who did it. But brady saying he didnt know the difference in the second half, that seems nuts- he has used the same exact pressure ball in every game for 14 yrs, if someone throws a wrench in there- he knows.

  105. Yes AR likes them filled up more, but never tampers after they are inspected.
    ==

    *Sigh* You still don’t know that they were tampered with after inspection.

    It’s a possibility, but so is inflating them in a sauna with hot moist air. 70 F air has a maximum possible moisture by volume of about 7%. 50 F air is about 1%. So if you cool a volume of 70F air at 100% relative humidity to 50F air at 100% relative humidity, 6/7ths of the total gas molecules will condense, leaving 1/7th of the amount of water vapor in the air.

    By PV=nRT, this will cause you to have a double decline to PV because both n and T will go down. In this case, you’d see a drop in excess of the 1.1 PSIg that you’d see with just temperature changing. I’ll work some exact numbers up in a bit.

    And no, you can’t just suspend someone because you can’t figure out what they did. That would get overturned even in the kangaroo court that is the NFL’s appeals process, to say nothing of any external process that could be appealed to. Spygate got the punishment it did because there was evidence. Ray Rice got what he did because of evidence. Payton and his staff got what they did because there were witnesses and evidence. Lacking evidence, all that can be said is to say that the home team did not take proper care of its footballs. The penalty for that is $25K

  106. But brady saying he didnt know the difference in the second half, that seems nuts- he has used the same exact pressure ball in every game for 14 yrs, if someone throws a wrench in there- he knows.
    ===

    Confirmation bias and superstition is powerful.

  107. as a Patriots fan, and used to hearing the constant hate towards this organization, I will say this…

    Im tired of having to defend one thing after another. I am a FOOTBALL fan first, a PATRIOTS fan second. And I dont know how this organization keeps getting into these situations. Im not naive like some of my fellow fans, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck. There is no argument I can give as to why 11 out of 12 of our balls were deflated, and not a single one of the Colts balls were. And I wont try to debate it with these paper-thin debates. The crap needs to stop, no more chances given to anyone doing anything remotely shady. This has cast yet another cloud of doubt over this franchise. Now, if we go out and win the SB, it will be because we cheated. If we lose, its because we cant win without cheating. We are in a no-win situation and Im tired of trying to defend these actions. Its gotten to where I dont even turn on sports programs cause Im tired of hearing about it. And we are doing the crap to ourselves….for the first time in years, Im looking forward to baseball season….

  108. I am a Pats fan and even larger Brady fan. However, there’s a lot of common sense analytical nonsense going on right now.

    Those who believe the Pats are habitual cheaters. No they are the ones who are targeted because people doing the same thing whine to daddy and tattle. Talking you Mangini.

    To those whom say oh any other team the investigation and handling would have been stiff fines penalties and settled. Really? Do we rember Big Bens rape scandal? Ray Rice murder scandal, Dez Bryant’s assault and arrest for injuring his mother. What about how quickly they reacted to Ray Rice after they “didn’t see anything” prior to it being leaked. Much other teams antics are swept under the rug.

    It’s awful insanely crazy that Harbaugh has a tantrum on a legal play a trick play and his names being leaked around as a tipster….hmmm oh and after Brady ripped him with the read the rule book…Maybe the dig was a bit much to handle knowing the probability it would be cold and Brady’s orefernce of the lower end psi…ridiculous? so is pointing fingers without clear facts.
    let’s also add here they cheated because it’s against the rules…Ya so helemt to helmet tackles, so is intentionally throwing out a Nast tackle after the play or a number of other illegal plays…cheating? well if you are oissed enough to try and inure hell Ya. how about the dirty defensive player who give an extra kick or step on them intentionally…oh here’s yiu little fine and a flag…
    before you sign their execution maybe wait until u have the facts and stop assuming

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