Bill Nye says Bill Belichick made no sense

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We’ll be posting the entire transcript of Bill Belichick’s Saturday press conference so that anyone interested in reading the whole thing can review it, process it, understand it.  One fairly famous scientist who presumably listened to the entire press conference and/or read the transcript already has issued a verdict.

Bill Nye, a mechanical engineer who worked at Boeing before becoming TV’s “Bill Nye The Science Guy,” appeared on Sunday’s Good Morning America to say Belichick’s explanation “doesn’t make any sense.”

Another group based in Pittsburgh that includes brainiacs from Carnegie Mellon (somehow, I was admitted there and graduated with a degree a metallurgical engineering and materials sciences and a degree in engineering and public policy) claims that the conditions of the AFC title game would have caused a significant drop in air pressure.

“We took 12 brand new authentic NFL footballs and exposed them to the different elements they would have experienced throughout the game.” said Thomas Healy, founder of HeadSmart Labs and a masters student in mechanical engineering at Carnegie Mellon.  “Out of the twelve footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to dropping temperatures and wet conditions.”

As explained by the group that conducted the simulation:  “During testing, twelve brand new footballs were inflated to 12.5 PSI in a 75 degree Fahrenheit room.  This was to imitate the indoor conditions where the referees would have tested the footballs 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff.  The footballs were then moved to a 50 degree Fahrenheit environment to simulate the temperatures that were experienced throughout the game.  In addition, the footballs were dampened to replicate the rainy conditions.”

It’s unclear whether the footballs were placed in a wet, 50-degree environment immediately after testing for a full 135 minutes before kickoff or whether they waited until just before kickoff to move the footballs to the simulated game conditions.  It’s also unclear whether the various balls were exposed to the same external forces to which a dozen footballs used by an NFL offense would be exposed when rotated through the first half of a game.  It’s also unclear whether re-testing of the footballs was done following the precise duration of the first half of the Colts-Patriots game.

Precision is critical for any scientific experiment.  For example, the official kickoff temperature in Foxboro on Sunday was 51 degrees, not 50.  To fully simulate the conditions, the test should have occurred at 51 degrees.  Also, room temperature typically is 72 degrees, not 75.  That results in a four-degree variance, which surely had an impact on the ultimate findings, since pressure and temperature are directly related.

Overlooked by the CMU folks (and Belichick, and others) was the reported ability of the Colts’ footballs to remain within the accepted range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI after the same duration of exposure to the same elements and conditions.  If, on average, the footballs tested at a starting PSI lost 1.8 pounds on average (i.e., 14.4 percent of their air pressure), footballs pumped even to the maximum of 13.5 PSI would have lost 1.94 PSI on average, taking them to 11.56, nearly a full bound below the minimum limit.

Look for more scientists in the coming days to emerge from their labs with more experiments and more explanations.  Ultimately, the NFL will need to offer a convincing explanation for whatever it was that caused the NFL to hire the guy who performed the Dolphins bullying investigation to get to the bottom of why the Patriots footballs were not within the required specifications.

340 responses to “Bill Nye says Bill Belichick made no sense

  1. The NFL can say what ever they want . People are going to draw there own conclusions based on personal befief and on wether they are fans of the Patriots or not. BB talking yesterday was very good for the team and the fans who support them……….ON To Seattle

  2. My only question is if the NFL coached Belichek to say all of this, because it helps their financial interests to not have Balichek and Brady suspended for the SB. So he had to come hard or the NFL looks weak in waiting.

  3. I’ve never heard of any other team being caught with deflated balls in even more severe weather conditions. Balls go from the Green Bay locker room to on field in sub zero temperatures.

  4. Based on how the O.J. Simpson got all “confused” by DNA evidence and blood-spattering, it just shows how easy it is to manipulate a large portion of the masses.

    As P.T. Barnum once stated (after having made a mega fortune), “There’s a sucker born every minute.” Belichick is counting on that.

  5. Also he is saying the way they prepare their footballs caused the lose. He doesn’t know how the Colts prepare their footballs. That is what he is saying causes a difference.

  6. Also, the footballs were not use for a full game but were removed at halftime. Any tests should account for this shorter timeframe.

  7. Hate hate hate. 6 superbowl appearances, the best post-season record ever, and two guys that will be in the hall of fame the moment they retire.

    If someone was gonna complain about air pressure, why weren’t they complaining after the Ravens game? No, instead they complain when the Patriots dominate a team 45-7 that was mostly won on the ground and with solid defense.

    Why aren’t we measuring the Seahawk game balls? or Green Bay? or the Tampa Bay Bucs for that matter? It’s because people have some built up hate for the good teams that come out of Boston almost every year.

    They hate us because they ain’t us.

  8. At the end of the statement Nye says go Halks! This is the worst piece of misinformation I have ever seen you publish! It was a spoof as a Seattle fan!

  9. Has anyone including Bill himself ever say he has made sense?? I’ve only ever heard him say he can’t explain why he cheats….. He can’t explain anything…. He said that 20 times in Thursday’s presser….

  10. The NFL is against the Patriots on this one, not with them. Belichick despises Goodell and the feeling is probably mutual and one of them is going to look foolish in short time. Odds are that Goodell is the fool.

  11. The basketball always had air pressure issues when we played outdoors in fall and winter. Just sayin.
    Either way, no matter who wins, there will be an asterisk.

  12. Pats fan here. This whole episode is really annoying. I was thinking that we are finally in a SB without any controversy and then the under pressured football scandal happens. Ugh. Unfortunately I doubt there will be any definitive results until after the SB as Roger Goodell will not do anything to lower ratings and I suspect most viewers would turn off the tube at halftime given what the score might be with a McDaniels/Garappollo led Patriots team. And even if things prove out in the Pats favor after the SB, the haters will always bring it up. That thought is really deflating.

  13. The gametime temperature being 51 versus 50 degrees is entirely irrelevant. For one thing, the temperature obviously continued to drop below 50 degrees by halftime, when the “deflated” measurements were taken, which would make the psi drop by even more than 1.8. For another, it’s one degree, hardly a meaningful difference.

    The Colts may have inflated their balls above 13.5psi before the game, as we have heard other QBs claim that some QBs prefer, so that a drop would return them to the normal range at halftime. The league has claimed that the Patriots’ footballs were checked correctly at before gametime, but they have not said that the Colts’ were. If, as has been reported, the Patriots were planning on checking the Patriots’ footballs as a “sting” of sorts, they may have checked their’s with gauges but only done the “squeeze test” to the Colts, as former NFL ball boys report is the norm in an article this week.

    Ultimately, Bill Nye and anyone else can say what they like, but so far real, empirical testing in experiment after experiment have supported the Patriots’ claims almost perfectly.

  14. Belichick and Brady might be lying, or they might be telling the truth. Their problem is that having encouraged the story line that they are more clever about skating around the edges and exploiting loopholes and alleged gray areas than anyone else, most people (other than some KoolAid drinking Pats fans) tend to be skeptical of their claims until proven, rather than the other way around.

  15. Here’s the thing…they could give EVERYBODY in the NFL polygraph tests, including Goodell. The problem is…they wouldn’t have an NFL left after that. They ALL lie! They just all don’t get caught.

    NOTE: That’s not to say that this mess is somehow justified. Or that significant punishments aren’t justified. It’s simply saying that there is SO MUCH lying going on all the time in the NFL, it’s naive to think it’s limited to the Pats, although they do seem to do it more, or at least get caught more, than other teams.

  16. Bill Belichick and Tom Brady aren’t “science computers”, but we have all probably learned there are reasonable explanations as to why the balls can deflate after being sent to the officials.

    The reason the Colt’s supposedly didn’t deflate? I don’t know, maybe they filled the balls outside and brought them inside to be inspected. (I would suppose they checked this out beforehand, since they may have been planning this accusation prior to making the trip to New England.)

    Its easy to want to accuse the Patriots, many are hopeful they are guilty. But one must be most critical, in the best sense of that word, about what one is already inclined to believe.

    Unless the NFL has specific evidence of tampering by the Patriots, this story needs to go away.

  17. Bill Nye the science guy is wrong. Not even a Patriots fan. It’s actually a hogwash rebuttal. The amount of misinformation on both sides of the (deflated) ball is staggering. I am laughing and wincing at the same time. BTW, don’t be shocked that a TV science ‘expert’ is wrong. See Dr Oz …

  18. This is actually very simple folks. Tom Brady likes the footballs at the minimum allowable 12.5 psi. That’s what they were when the officials checked them. Andrew Luck likes the footballs at some higher psi, most likely towards the upper limit, much like Aaron Rodgers has stated he prefers. The footballs used by the Patriots dropped below the allowable minimum of 12.5 during the game due to weather conditions, while the balls used by the Colts, although decreasing in psi, stayed above the allowable limit of 12.5. This is what will be determined after weeks of media hype, press conferences, and investigation. And, for the record, I am no Patriots fan…

  19. irongershwin says:

    I’ve never heard of another team being caught with deflated balls in even more severe weather conditions. Balls go from the Green Bay locker room to on field in sub zero temperatures.

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    A former ref(23 years experience) said he never once saw balls tested after pregame. I’m sure games played in cold weather regularly have psi drops. That’s why they aren’t tested out of the controlled climate

  20. Every one keeps saying the Indy balls did not lose pressure. It’s impossible for them to go from room conditions to game conditions and NOT lose pressure. Either the refs screwed up or the gauge was inaccurate. The balls can not be cooled down over that period of time and not lose any pressure at all. It’s science.

  21. Shanahammer says: Jan 25, 2015 10:40 AM

    Also he is saying the way they prepare their footballs caused the lose. He doesn’t know how the Colts prepare their footballs. That is what he is saying causes a difference.
    ==============================

    If those preparations are unknown, those preparation’s relative effects on a potential pressure drop are also unknown. By definition, the unknown is not known.

    Seems rather obvious to anyone with two synapses firing. If Belichick threw that out there (and I didn’t listen so I can’t say), he was doing so to confuse the issue. But it’s a pretty weak point, for sure.

  22. I’m holding my judgement until the actually details come out

    but I will say this, there is no way a ball inflated to 12.5 PSI indoors will be in tolerances outside at 50 Degrees, that just basic PV=NRT (corresponds to about a loss of 1 PSI)

    So, if those balls were measured by the refs outdoors, this is basically a non-issue

  23. W I T C H H U N T ! ! ! !

    People wonder why Belichick hates the media… I hope when this all comes to a head after NE is found innocent of any wrong doing, the Patriots sue espn, pft, and all these other biased agenda driven media outlets for defamation of character..

  24. If Bill just would’ve came out and said why Tom’s balls were deflated and Andrews balls were not deflated this would just blow over. Sounds pretty simple to me

  25. Keep trying, folks. Your atmospheric explanations don’t mean a thing until you explain how one of the Pats’ balls was just fine pressure-wise. It was the rebel ball that decided it wasn’t going to follow the laws of physics like the rest?

  26. The absurdity of this lingering drama-fest is at an all-time high.

    Compressed air behaves differently under different conditions. This is freakin’ news to you people?

  27. They cheated and there’s no doubt Brady knew it. He had to feel the difference. Chances are, he was a perpetrator.
    I can’t see how the NFL can do much about it though.
    Is there any tangible evidence ??? I doubt it. Other than the gauge that measured ball pressure, I don’t think they have anything. All they have is the fact the balls were under inflated from testing at halftime. Is that enough to prove a case ?

  28. The patriots’ defensive coordinator is an aeronautical engineer and offensive lineman is a rocket scientist who graduated from Stanford

    I really doubt belichick is lying, he has two guys to consult right there.

  29. What? Wait?

    “Out of the twelve footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to dropping temperatures and wet conditions.”

    So a football inflated to 12.5 PSI would lose almost 2 pounds of air pressure…

    exactly replicating what happened in the Colts/Patriots game.

  30. You are criticizing Belichick for not conducting a similar experiment on footballs prepared by the Colts, when we have no idea how the Colts prepared their footballs or even how high they inflated them?

    The Colts were well-prepared for their own sting operation, obviously.

    They should be the ones to explain what they did.

  31. Carnegie-Mellon duplicates Belichick’s results. Belichick evidently conferred with local MIT and/or Harvard physicists in conducting his investigation and experiments. Florio reports on a guy that used to have a kiddie show on PBS. You can’t make this stuff up.

    What BB said, in a nut shell, was rubbing up the FB before the game caused a temporary 1 lb increase in pressure. That later subsided when the ball reached equiibrium. The ball lost another 1 lb PSI due to the elements. They were able to reproduce that effect. The Colts and Pats FBs from halftime could have went from 13.5-12.5 at the end of the game(due to the elements) and still been regulation. The Pats didn’t reseason their FBs at halftime.

  32. Still doesn’t explain why only Pats balls deflated. Was it warmer on the Colts line of scrimmage?

    Plus, I trust a scientist to get this right before a football coach who has been caught cheating previously.

  33. Besides the fact that the Colts balls were fine, how would a temperature drop explain why the Colts were suspicious that the Pats balls were deflated in their first game? Which was played in a dome!

  34. It’s gonna be hard to figure out who tampered with the footballs, but it’s obvious that they cheated. Just fine them, take some draft picks away and call it a day. It’s the only thing every NFL website is talking about over the slow week.

  35. Bill’s Mona Lisa Vito was a nice attempt to distract but the media is like a dog with a bone and insists on getting scientific about it.

    In the end it is on the league to enforce the rules. I think they were caught sitting down on the job because, big deal, a football is a football (I would agree with them).

    Much ado about nothing.

  36. “Explain some genius please, how the Colts balls were fine!!”

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    We don’t know what they were originally inflated to. Another poster already commented on this.

    And pressure loss could follow a function that is not linear (i.e., logarithmic). It’s possible that the thinner the ball, the greater the RATE of decay.

  37. Out of the twelve footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to dropping temperatures and wet conditions.”

    That’s wonderfully misleading. So they would like us to believe that when the balls were checked, it was done in an area that consisted of dropping temperatures and wet conditions.

  38. 1. Did someone ask who Bill Nye roots for?
    Looking at the ESPN poll breakdown by state (“Is the Patriots success tainted?”), while most states come in at 51-49 (No) the three states that come in with the greatest proportions of Yes responses are Pennsylavnia (Steeler and Eagler country) and Indiana (Colts). Proof that it’s almost impossible to get any objectivity on a sports issue.

    2. “Precision is critical for any scientific experiment. For example, the official kickoff temperature in Foxboro on Sunday was 51 degrees, not 50. To fully simulate the conditions, the test should have occurred at 51 degrees.”

    I’m going to take a page from Don Banks here and say that if this is what it’s come to, why even have a league? This is people trying to take the rules, science, and logic itself to logical extremes and the result — foolishness and irrationality. The NFL can’t even determine what a football move is, what constitutes a catch, and what it means to muff a fumble. We had a game last year where the Patriots lost on a gamewinning FG that most experts agree on replay review wasn’t even good. Let’s put our energy here.

    3. Judging by the title of the articles posted to PFT (and their volume), it’s clear PFT isn’t waiting for the results of any investigation to draw its hard and fast conclusions. PFT will even attack any science that appears to support Belichick’s version of events. And it’s quite clear — 51 degrees or 50 degrees — that the science does enough to raise reasonable doubt.

    The Patriots will be acquitted. Maybe not dramatically. But then that’s life in the justice system. A lot of people get off simply due to lack of evidence or reasonable doubt. But there’s enough here to make Belichick appear plausible and reasonable (so he could never be an OJ Simpson) and THAT is what has PFT writers so miffed.

  39. Also, since the Colts instigated this and knew it was coming down, they probably made sure their FBs were inflated to the max allowable limit, instead of the minimum, like the Pats.

  40. This is why the Ray Rice and other situations have put the NFL in a bad spot. Even if they conduct a proper investigation and find no wrong doing, no one will believe them. If they find the Pats at fault and punish them heavily some will think they are just lowering the boom to look good. They have zero credibility. The only way to get it back is to replace their top management.

  41. Let me get this straight :

    1. Story broke Sunday
    2. Belichek claims he didn’t know about it until Monday
    3. At press conference on Thursday he say’s he knows nothing about football inflation or anything to do with the process. The only thing he is sure of is that he didn’t do it.
    4. Friday afternoon he issues his version of the Warren Report that explains the magic bullet.

    Does anyone believe, assuming that Belichek found out about the investigation Monday, that he sat on his hands for 3 days ignoring it? Then, after ignoring it for 3 days, he becomes an expert on the subject in less than 24 hours?

    The guy is a control freak who obsesses the details and tells everyone else they should read the rule book. If he found out about this Monday morning, he would’ve had a detailed explanation by Monday night or people would’ve been getting fired. So why the big Sergeant Schultz routine on Thursday?

  42. The one thing that I wish the NFL would offer that could potentially give more clarity to this situation is the weight of all twelve balls. If the Pats use the lowest possible PSI of 12.5, then it would be almost impossible for the balls not to dip below that level during the course of the game given the conditions. So what if the league comes out and say that 8 of the balls weighed were between say 11.8 and 12.4…is that gonna change how people feel about the situation. Also, they should have measured the Colts balls as well just for comparison sake and released that information as well. What is 5 of the 12 balls the Colts used feel below league standards? Again, what that changed people’s thoughts on the matter. Ultimately I think this is another media driven creation, but the NFL could release some of its information now to give its fans a better total picture of what happened.

  43. Explain some genius please, how the Colts balls were fine!!
    ———————————————————————

    Sure.

    They knew they may be accusing the Patriots of this prior to making the trip to New England. (Maybe even due to a tip from Harbaugh and the Ravens.)

    Knowing the planned scrutiny, they did the opposite of what the Patriots did. They filled the balls outside and they were fine when they came inside for the official’s inspection (as were the Patriots) and still fine when they went back outside.

    Boom! (Dropping microphone and walking offstage now.)

  44. I trust the brainiacs from Carnegie Mellon more than I trust Bill Nye, who should mind his tongue until he does his own testing like HeadSmart Labs did.

    Also, room temperature may typically be 72 degrees, but I can see a locker room being kept a bit warmer since you are often without clothes. That they used 50 instead of 51 degrees is a non-factor here since it was a lot colder by the time the INT was thrown at 9:21 of the second quarter, or at the end of the second quarter when the second measurement was done. It was probably a lot closer to 40 degrees. Funny thing: During the winter in New England, the temperature drops a lot and very quickly after sundown. The overnight temperatures got down to 28 degrees in Foxboro.

    In other words, the pressure loss could have been much more significant than even these tests showed.

  45. The Patriots have won 0 Super Bowls without cheating 100% absent. They have won 0 after the fines. This is all you need to know.

  46. It’s obvious that employees of the NFL are the only ones who should be handling the footballs, not employees of the teams. I think the outcome could very easily been different if Andrew Luck used the same balls that Brady used. Luck had some passes in the first quarter that were just a bit off target. With a better grip those might have been completions. He also had a couple huge dropped passes. If the balls were underinflated, those might have been caught. The score could easily had been 21-7 in favor of the Colts at half time. Makes you wonder how long the Patriots have been doctoring the footballs in order to get the balls to drop below the legal limits by game time. It’s the NFL’s fault. They allowed this to happen by allowing team employees to control the balls. The NFL should look into having some real football people involved in operations. Smart guys like Roger Staubach.

  47. Dude looks like Skip Bayless in a bowtie. YIKES. Think he loses all credibility right off the bat due to that.

  48. 1. We lack lots of information (say on room temperature inside where footballs were measured). Belichik was offering a proof of concept, not a full scientific test duplicating conditions that probably weren’t measured.

    2. The temperature at kickoff is not the key temperature. What matters is the temperature difference between the room where measured and the temperature on the field at half-time, when the balls were checked.

    The question is whether there is a plausible case that this was inadvertent and not a nefarious plot. Media all assume a nefarious plot, and read evidence from that perspective. Might be worth admitting the possibility it’s not so, although of course an innocent explanation would lose readers and drop interest.

  49. Pathetic attempt to keep this non-story going. I said it earlier that haters will continue to look more and more pathetic. This will be NE sweetest victory ever.. The media was ready to rule us out in KC… finally people said the Pats are done…nope! Trust me your hate only will make the victory sweeter for NE fans!

  50. “Precision is critical for any scientific experiment. For example, the official kickoff temperature in Foxboro on Sunday was 51 degrees, not 50. To fully simulate the conditions, the test should have occurred at 51 degrees.” -MF

    Hmmm, you fret about one degree, yet say nothing about how they factor (or lack there of) in Legarret Blount pounding that rock for a half of football into this equation. That couldn’t effect football pressure.. Or the concept of footballs being used for warmups and 2 quarters of an NFL Football game. How do they replicate and incorporate that?

    If ONLY the NFL could be as transparent as your Subjective bias against the Patriots, MF.

  51. And still, Adrian Peterson remains suspended. I really love the nfl. I don’t understand why the league office has to work so hard to bungle up every problem that arises. I believe that if the league office merely stepped to the side and let the owners vote on solutions/ punishments most fans would be much more satisfied with the nfl.

  52. People talk about the Indy’s balls, but should also point out that the ball used by the Pats in the second half tested normal. How can “atmospheric conditions” impact the balls in the first half, but not the second half lol? That just doesn’t make sense.

    But hey, there are people who think OJ Simpson is innocent, so people are going to believe what they want to believe.

  53. I guess you can say I’m not one of those “kool aid drinking Pats Fans” because I have saved my judgement on this situation until all the facts are put in front of me and then I will form an opinion. But…that doesn’t mean that I don’t have my thoughts on what happened and right now…based on what has been put out there and from what I witnessed from John Harbaugh’s whining….I believe it begins with Harbaugh and I wouldn’t put it past him or the Colts Ownership to have a hand in this. But again…just a thought.

  54. These people who say there is no evidence…… Where have they been? Do they think BB likes giving unscheduled press conferences week of Super Bowl?? Of course there is evidence and even BB sees it and why he’s trying to refute it….. Facts are someone tampered with Pariots game balls and there is only one person who would…… And that’s the guy who’s on record saying he prefers a softer ball…

    Why would anyone else take air out?? Answer is they wouldn’t. BB hoped Brady would come clean as he even said he’s the one to ask….. Even he was hoping Brady wouldn’t lie….. Brady couldn’t get the words out….. That he’s been cheating….. He couldn’t do it…… But only he would tamper with the footballs or ask someone else to…… Yes…only Tom Brady…… It will come out…. Be patient….. BB goes down too tho because he’s one responsible…. But don’t say there’s no evidence…… That’s all there is…. That’s why this is all everyone is talking about…… And it’s because of the evidence!!!

  55. “Precision is critical for any scientific experiment. ” The refs gauges can be off by .5 psi and still be considered accurate. I think you should go back to Carnegie Mellon and get your Ph D in fevered obsession.

  56. verlooked by the CMU folks (and Belichick, and others) was the reported ability of the Colts’ footballs to remain within the accepted range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI after the same duration of exposure to the same elements and conditions.

    —————————-

    Actually, Belichick did not overlook this. In fact he spent a lot of time explaining that the process they use to prepare the footballs account for 1 psi movement. So if the Colts use a different preparation process or if Andrew Luck prefers his footballs to have limited changes they may not have the 1 psi difference.

  57. Bill nye makes a lot of assumption for a man of science. Belichek never said rubbing the balls he said the process. The new York post reported Eli manning puts his balls in a scrubbing machine. An intense machine shaking molecules is a far stretch from rubbing the leather. Second a 2 pound psi change has been proven by high science program using room temp and then the temp from the game. You can Google it and watch it for yourself. Someone should ask bill nye how he disproves proven sci eve after showing him the vid.

    Bill nye is an excellent scientist wham it comes to science for 8 year old kids and he should probably stick to that

  58. And then he says “Go Seahawks!” and he’s shown before he’s a Seahawks fan… So he’s totally impartial.

    What a joke that guy is, I used to respect him but now I see he doesn’t actually practice science. Science is impartial.

    He also says he doesn’t “think” that rubbing the footballs down can change their air pressure, so him thinking that is just as good as him doing an experiment to actually see if it does or not. We’ll take the word of a fan of the opposing team.

  59. So it all depends on how the test is being conducted. If you are going to calculate Temperature from the room they were tested initially in vs the temperature they were playing in.

    We also need to know: 1. where were the balls stored during the game? Were they in a bag next to each other. Obviously this would count as less heat loss throughout the duration of the game.

    2.What percentage of plays were running plays? We need to know how long the ball was held in Blount’s arm vs being on the ground in the wet conditions. Not sure if people know this, but body warmth could disrupt the temperature of the ball – even if slightly.

    All the variables basically makes these science discussions obsolete. We can use the generic Temperature vs Pressure which accounted for 1.2PSI difference, but beyond that anyone is grasping at straws.

    In the end: We need to know: A: How much pressure did the Colts balls lose vs How much pressure the NE balls lost.

    If there is a significant difference aka 2PSI than we have all the information we need to know.

  60. Why do Patriot fans expect nothing to be done and everyone to turn a blind eye when their team cheats over and over again?

  61. Poor PFT so desperately hates the Pats and Belichick.

    What’s funny is that with the so called deflated balls the score was 14-7, yet after the balls were supposedly replaced they scored 28-0. So if anything the deflated balls hurt not helped the Pats.

    This seems like a total setup by scumbag whining Harbaugh and Irsay. I wonder what connections the ball boys had to either of them.

    Also have to laugh at the science deniers who blithely hate the Pats and will ignore actual facts to justify their cheating claims. Pretty pathetic.

    Just remember next year when the Pats pound virtually every team they face that you’ve asked for it

  62. I worked for Boeing for ten years as an Avionics Technician and I can tell you that the engineers at Boeing were the worst I have ever worked with, so that is no ringing endorsement. Whenever we had a problem that required an engineering input, they would come out to the aircraft and ask me what we should do. They would never have any idea as to what was actually going on in the circuits or what any of the actual causes were. Also, if we had a problem with wiring where the electricians misrouted wiring around bulkheads, they would always tell us to cut the wires, reroute them, and splice them back together which is in direct violation of FAA regulations for the assembly of new aircraft. Because you said Bill Nye was an engineer at Boeing just brought him down a few notches in credibility in my book.

  63. I also have a graduate degree in mechanical engineering. I would consider myself very knowledgeable in one area of mechanical engineering but would never claim to be an expert in all.

    When Bill Nye is providing his opinion he needs to focus on his expertise and not pretend he’s the box on the entire field of science. Also, using balloons for footballs really makes it hard to take him seriously.

  64. Check Billy’s socks. He is the only coach who keeps the challenge flag in his sock. What else could be lurking there? Depressurization technology taken from Area 51? Perhaps a condensed version of the play books for all 31 teams? A jar of stickem? A video production studio with instant playback? A set of rosary beads? Yeah, it’s all in the socks.

  65. Bill Nye the Science Guy? What I want to know is why no network has interviewed O J Simpson yet. Isn’t everyone getting carried away a bit too much with this? It’s a freaking football not the Strategic Air Commands S.I.O.P. war plans.

  66. It’s the chemicals they rub on the balls to help break them in, find out what those are then you’ll find your answers.

  67. The sports media, especially networks that broadcast games, have skin in the game on this one. They will happily fuel a controversy. But it doesn’t serve their purpose to undermine public confidence in the legitimacy of their product any more than it serves the league’s purpose. Baseball and judged Olympic sports are cautionary tales for both ESPN and Goodell.

    It will be like Spygate: there may be punished, but information about how long this has been going on or what games may have been affected will never be made known.

  68. The cold balls were always outside to begin with, they traveled in the cargo hold of the team plane and then were placed in a equipment truck and or trailer (30 degree overnight temp), therefore they are already at the ambient temperature of the outdoor temps of Gillette Stadium. The Colts balls pigskin leases rubber bladder and Air inside was already cooled too 50degrees

  69. Go Patriots. See I dislike both teams
    so I don’t want to see either as the champs. If the Pats win no one will give them credit as a champion and likely the trophy will eventually be stripped anyway.

  70. OK we are now reduced to a kiddie program host…..
    Media is way to driven to find stories to fill space… ..

    Will Belicheat bring on George Jetson to dispute Nye’s story ?

  71. Here’s a question for all the experts. If we believe the rumor that the colts suspected the patriots using deflated balls before the AFC Conf gane (reported suspicion after the nov game) and we also believe that a deflated ball absolutely provides and edge to the offensive team, then why on earth did the colts wait until halftime to have the balls checked?? They appear to have allowed the patriots to have a distinct advantage for half the game in order to “catch” them cheating. Makes no sense to me. Perhaps all the various leaked info isn’t all that reliable.

  72. The NFL found something wrong or this whole mess have been over last Sunday the day of the game. The Pats footballs losing a lot of air while the Colts footballs didn’t seems pretty odd. Either the Colts found magical footballs or the Patriots cheated again just like they did 7 yrs ago. The question is will the NFL be able to prove it this time around. If I was Brady, Belicheck and the equipment personnel I would want a polygraph test immediately. They say they have nothing to hide then a 5 min lie detector test would put this whole mess to bed and this all would be over immediately.

  73. Can someone please wake me when this episode of CSI is over and we can get back to watching some football? I’ve become incredibly bored.

  74. So a scientific experiment is conducted with close to but maybe not exact conditions as the playoff game and this experiment yields a significant drop in psi.
    Yet, Bill Nye has one quote and nothing to do with the experiment but your headline is his quote.

    Hmmm, not too hard to figure out what your verdict is.

    As for the Colts balls not dropping in psi, so your contention is that a 3rd party experiment with measurements and findings needs to explain why another set of balls didn’t drop?

    How about you explain how the Colts balls didn’t drop in psi?

    While we are at it, why aren’t you scrutinizing the “reported findings” and procedures followed by the NFL.
    You are starting with reported “facts” without any verification regarding their authenticity.

  75. You know, this could have been a really good SB……

    One team decided it needed to GUARANTEE victories at ALL COSTS….

    Well, it looks they accomplished that. Now the rest is, what will be the final cost of their actions.

    The Patriots may get off with a hand slap & fine or a more severe suspension….
    but in the end it looks like coach Belichick and Tom Brady’s careers will be forever tainted (except for a small section of die hard folks in the NE)

    So, instead of matchups, strengths/weaknesses, etc….
    We will be staying tuned to watch further episodes of “As the Screw Turns”…..

  76. The Colts only needed one football. They had only one touchdown. This was a set up job by the teams who have lost to New England. If you don’t think air pressure can change by temperature , check you car tires early in the morning. Then check them again that afternoon.

  77. WHY ARE SO MANY CONFUSED??

    Before the game 36 footballs were tested by refs 2 hours and 15 mins before game…. 12 Pats game balls , 12 Colts game balls and 12 Pats backup balls….. Only the 12 game balls of Patriots had air removed….. No air was miss from the Indy balls or the 12 pats back up balls…… Only the footballs the Patriots thought they would be using, came up with air missing…. 11 missing 2 psi and 1 missing 1 psi…. Those were the only balls missing air….. The ones they thought would be used….. Backup 12 were fine….. That’s how they know they were tampered with….. 12 of the 36 had air taken out…. THATS IT…… THATS THE EVIDENCE

  78. Coach Belichick just had his “I’m not a crook” declaration, much like impeached president Nixon, who forever stained the office. He’s right up there with world criminal Dick ChainHe, in his disdain for rules. You simply can’t believe a word he says.

    Think about it: A NFL QB has made it to the top by doing their thing better than anyone else. Their job, like a surgeon, is based on precision.

    To perform a successful surgery, every surgeon must have his operating room and tools exactly how he likes them. He goes through every precaution to make sure that happens. The same can be said about an NFL QB. They want things perfect.

    The Pats want us to believe that in that controlled environment, Brady and his position group can’t tell if they are entering the operating room with a scalpel or a hatchet.

    Doesn’t pass the smell test. The balls started out where Brady claims he likes them @ 12.5 psi. That means they ended up around 10.5 psi. or 16% lower. That’s equivalent to handing a surgeon a steak knife and saying get busy.

  79. The colts football question is so stupid. Bill answered it. The whole thing depends on how the footballs were prepared. If the colts filled air at 13.5 in a 50 deg environment or like the vikings and titans did , kept the ball in front of a heater…their drop wont be like the pats balls..
    Every situation is different..
    Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

  80. Because Bill Nye is a scientest, before he passes judgement I’m sure he has all the facts so that he can perform the experiment in his head.

    He must be initimately familiar with the way the Patriots prepare footballs, for example how long they use power roughers, the room temperature, the humidity, etc.

    He must also be aware of the exact time period between when the Patriots finish roughing the footballs and the refs measure the pressure.

    He must also be familiar with where the footballs are stored pregame, those temperature and pressure conditions, and the exact length of time before they are put into play.

    Being an expert on the construction of an NFL football would come in handy as well, since then you could (in your head) estimate how subjecting the ball to 50 degree temperatures and soaking rains, while kicking, throwing, and running with the football would affect it.

    Being a scientist, I’m sure that Bill Nye took all of that in consideration before pronouncing that the footballs losing pressure in that way was “impossible”.

    However, a team at engineering college at Carnegie Mellon actually performed the experiment and found it to be quite possible. That’s why real scientists perform real experiments before announcing their results.

    As for those that wonder why the Colts balls were not likewise underinflated, we would have to have detailed knowledge of their ball preparation and procedures as well, which we don’t.

    People are announcing, in the press, that 2 men are liars and cheats based completely on conjecture. It’s disgusting.

  81. Colts balls were untouched/dropped the entire game, unlike the Pats balls which were being mashed under 1600 lb. pigpiles every play. FACT.

  82. This article made no sense. It says that Bill Nye, says tha Bellichick made no sense… but then doesn’t go into detail. Then tangents off to Thomas Healy.

    Thomas Healy, founder of HeadSmart Labs “Out of the twelve footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to dropping temperatures and wet conditions.”

    Doesn’t that just confirm what bellichick said? Really this entire “Controversy” is just dumb.

  83. WHY are the Patriots deflating footballs? One big reason is to prevent fumbles. Check out their fumbling rate (plays/fumble) for these time periods.

    Last five seasons 2010-2014 = 187 plays/fumble

    SB winning era 2001 -2005 = 95 plays/fumble

    This HUGE difference makes much more sense in light of the news the Pats are playing with deflated footballs which are much easy to grip, hold and secure.

    Coincidentally the Pats remarkable improvement began in 2007, the year after Tom Brady spearheaded an effort to change the rules allowing teams greater control over footballs used in games.

  84. Then why do my truck tires not lose about 6 pounds over night. It got up to about 70 yesterday…this morning it’s around 45.
    They’re still at 40 psi.

  85. I’ll give you credit where credits due Florio, at least you mentioned the other groups, whereas the rest of the media seems to be focused only on the ones that further their specific narritive, ignoring or instantly discrediting/dismissing the other.

    Let the so called battle of the experts begin I guess. At this point unless the NFL finds evidence of pumps being used it seems this’ll all end with a slap on the wrist because science doesn’t seem like it’ll hold up as a reason in court.

  86. The author states the central flaw in this argument that exposes it as a cheap diversion: somehow IND’s footballs managed to remain within the accepted range after the same duration of exposure to the same elements and conditions.

  87. Obvious known rule violation. They bring too much negative attention to game and both belicheat and brady need to be on the SAME LIST GREG HARDY and ADRIAN PETERSON are until there case is resolved. No other explanation works because we all know they violated league rules in the second biggest game on the NFL calendar. Where its GODDELL BOT!

  88. Bill Nye should go back to entertaining grade school kids and pimping himself out to Al Gores Make Me Richer Global Warming Agenda. Just leave the real science to real scientist like the ones at Carnegie Mellon

  89. NFL listen up ! its a bad rule to allow teams to want there balls inflate to the lowest possible level within your rules . being out in the cold for hours and having 300+men land on , spike and squeeze the ball of course air will be lost making it illegal . this isn’t rocket science !

  90. Completely self serving interest to say this..plus it was one clip with no context…haha…the haters keep hating and the NE fans and logical people keep laughing at you

  91. @restoreintegritytonfl

    Ever notice that when Patriots players show a tendency for fumbling they don’t stay in the game, and many times don’t stay Patriots very long?

    Is it inconceivable that coaching could account for the difference in fumbling rates.

    Don’t know if you noticed, but teams like that Patriots, Broncos, and Packers have a lot fewer interceptions than other teams. So they must be cheating too, right? Or could it be becasue they have Brady, Manning, and Rogers?

    Statistics can be used to prove that Belichick is a superior coach just as easily as anything else.

    Haters and morons.

  92. FORGET COLTS FOOTBALLS THEN……

    And answer how the Patriots back-up 12 footballs lost no air…. See…. The evidence is only the 12 balls the Patriots thought they’d be using had air taken out….. The Colts 12 and Pats backup 12 had no air missing…… That’s why they KNOW the balls were tampered with!

  93. OK the NFL has been around how long? and science for how long? No one knew that that would happen? Sorry not buying it.. They test the balls 2 hours before the game but not right before the game or during the game and adjust them accordingly throughout… because you know the 30 seconds it takes to measure and adjust pressure are just too much to ask from anyone!

    This is ALL NFL spin so they don’t have to punish anyone. EVEN after retired QB’s admitted that they ask for balls a certain way and get them that way.. LMAO it’s laughable how the NFL picks and chooses what to enforce and who has to follow the rules and who doesn’t. Tom Brady is nothing less then a whiner so he pretty much gets all he wants.

    This and many other reasons makes me truly believe the NFL is rigged. They fix games for desired story lines. I mean let me roll this one by you.. the Green Bay / Dallas game is played on the exact day the ‘Ice Bowl’ was played? There wouldn’t have been a story if they played anyone else.

    This entire story line is a joke. Remember as Jerry “Al Davis Jr” Jones once said… ‘Even bad press is good press.”…. Keeps the attention and focus right up there.

  94. While the world is worried about deflated balls, the Patriots are getting ready for Seattle. They are preparing for Seattle. They have moved on to Seattle. They are game planning for Seattle. They are looking ahead to Seattle. Just like they did for Cincinnati.

  95. Why are you ignoring the point that belichick explained the “rubbing process” artificially raised the psi by 1 that’s the most important information out of the press conference that everyone seems to ignore

  96. So in other words, since Belichick didn’t come out with his usual “We’re focusing on Seattle” and instead said more words than he normally does, that’s supposed to answer everything and justify what happened?

  97. Bill Nye obviously missed a few key points from the BB press conference

    And PFT has jumped the shark

    Move along please

  98. So you draw people in under the headline Bill NYE says he doesn’t make sense, then proceed to tell us the story of…

    “Another group based in Pittsburgh that includes brainiacs from Carnegie Mellon claims that the conditions of the AFC title game would have caused a significant drop in air pressure.”

  99. Someone ask andrew luck what psi he prefers because if its 13.5 this story is over . the patriot and colt ball could lose the exact same amount of air and the patriot ball would be illegal while the colt balls would remain legal .

  100. Once again the NFL is too cheap to do the right thing. The right thing is to PAY league people to do this ball function and make it consistent for both teams all of the time or at least for that game.

    In any case do we really want the winner of a game to have better ball technology or preparation? i say no.

    For the entire history of the league it is been about who could push the other team around – that is the winner, the 1 that can impose its will on the other.

    Let’s just give the Patriots, Belicheck & Peyton Manning the number of Super Bowls they want so they will go quietly off stage. me, i am just sick of hearing them whine.

  101. Wow it appears the genius fans on this blog believe that pressure is not proportional to temperature cause the colts balls supposedly eerebt effected. Here’s a test for all the haters you can each perform. Get a scuba tank, dove about 20 meters, take a deep breath and swim to the surface. See if you believe temperature and pressure are not related, you should also believe that pressure and volume are also not related (despite laws of physics). Give it shot and let us know

  102. With all due respect to Bill Nye, do you think Belichick was taking these measurements with a science kit he got from Kmart? Anyone who knows Belichick and the Patriots knows they had some high powered help (note: MIT is just up the road).

  103. The “sharpfootballanalysis” article is damning and relevant to the integrity of the game. “Deflategate” appears to be a small component of a much larger issue. At the very least, New England leadership is amoral. It is concerning that so many do not have an issue with this.

  104. Doesn’t matter. If Belichicks specialists he consulted with have provided a plausible explanation the NFL now has a much higher standard of proof to meet before disciplining this team. There are many factors that could explain why the Colts balls were in spec and the patriots werent(higher initial pressure, more broken in football bladders, lower surface temperature of outer skin, lower bladder temperature, lower internal air temperature, and the list goes on)

  105. Just curious why this was not part of the headline

    “Another group based in Pittsburgh that includes brainiacs from Carnegie Mellon claims that the conditions of the AFC title game would have caused a significant drop in air pressure.”

  106. If the Patriots knew that Tom Brady like the footballs on the lower side of the tolerance and that’s where they were pressurized to at room temperature, then left alone the whole game in the colder temperature, the pressure WOULD drop, it’s a scientific fact. Most quarterbacks like their footballs on the higher side. Has anyone thought of the possibility that the COLTS were making sure all of their footballs we’re pumped up to 13.5 psi? Not saying that they were cheating, because the balls were still in tolerance, but isn’t that also a possibility since many quarterback don’t like their footballs flat because they don’t throw as tight of spirals at lower pressures? I don’t care who did what, but there are OTHER possibilities out there that nobody seems to realize.

  107. While no one like the “We’re on to Cincinnati” answer for every question posed to Belichick during press conferences but it does protect him from saying too much and opening him up for additional scrutiny. In this matter, it probably makes sense to keep your mouth shut and plead ignorance. I’m really surprised Belichick was so candid. I’ll bet the boring “We’re on to Cincinnati” mantra is about to return for a very long and extended time.

  108. That Pittsburgh group is funny as like basically all Patriots fans trying to blame the weather for this, they ignore the fact the Colts used their own footballs and according to the NFL they were within spec. Even a 5 year old would understand that if one set of footballs had this big effect from the weather that the other set of footballs also should have.

    Then you have the fact the officials allegedly inflated these 11 magic footballs at halftime and tested them after the game and they were still within spec…so somehow the final half’s weather which was colder and wetter than the first half didn’t matter. It makes no sense but hey, who cares about things making sense when it comes to sports.

    Maybe the NFL hasn’t been truthful though. Don’t know nor do I really care at this point. I’ll stand by my belief someone in the Patriots organization altered the footballs until it can be conclusively proven otherwise. Regardless if they did or did not do it, it doesn’t change the fact they win football games because they are a great team not because of under inflated footballs or taping sideline signals.

  109. Every time the networks show a picture of Bill Bellichick, people will automatically think “cheater.”

  110. Bill Nye is not a “scientist.” He’s a comedian who turned a deliberately bad Shatner impersonation into a children’s gig with Disney.

  111. Like it or not, Belichick laid his hand on the table and the NFL has to come up with specific proof that this did not happen. He has not hidden his head in the sand like he did with Spygate.

    The Patriots are the league’s most divisive team. Most people love them or hate the. 100 of the top scientists won’t convince either side they are wrong, so anything the NFL won’t either.

    If you recall, nothing come out of the taping practices that was alleged before the super bowl. There was no proof, yet people will still recite it as if it were fact. Same will happen with this, regardless of the finding.

  112. i plan on showing an old super bowl at my “tainted bowl” party.

    if it comes out that there was cheating involved i am going to boycott all super bowl advertisers & tell them so. this is so easy to track without actually watching the game or the ads. i am going to especially single out Gillette since they are most prominent enabler of this spartan philosophy.

  113. What the patriots won’t talk about is that a deflated ball is easier to catch and in cold wet condition that is an advantage. I guarantee you that the patriots, being a cold weather team, know this and saw an opportunity for an advantage. Based on past experience “I believe” they would do this on a regular bases to gain advantage. i can see how people could believe their innocent, especially devote fans, but for me shut the door and turn the key.

  114. I wonder what the next line of defense will be when Belichick’s story is show to be the load of crap that it is. Will they trot out a ball-boy to be sacrificed then or do they have another time-consuming will-o-the-wisp for everyone to chase?

  115. Had the Pats not illegally taped other team’s walk-thru this wouldn’t have even been an issue. The Pats brought this on themselves, although being a dynasty certainly invites haters (losers) to hate.

  116. Take your tire gauge out and measure the psi of the four tires on your car. I’ll bet they are not all the same. I’ll bet at least one is 2 psi different than one of the other four. This is so stupid!

  117. Here’s the bottom line, as I see it …….

    So far, Bill Belichick has so far had TWO press conferences this week, while the league itself has had NONE.

    He has come forward twice with total denials of tampering with footballs, and has given an explanation for how those balls could possibly have deflated without any tampering.

    From the NFL, crickets.

    The league has let this fire become an inferno, without coming clean of a single detail, other than a statement that they were running a “sting” to try and catch the Patriots at halftime, and that the Patriots first-half balls were in fact under the league minimum.

    Not a word about the chain of custody, who had possession of the balls from the time the Patriots handed them to the officials, to the end of the first half.

    Not a word about what the actual pressure of the Colts balls were at the start of the game, and at halftime, other than they were still above the minimum at have time. Not a word about who maintained possession of the Colts balls from the initial testing through to halftime.

    Not a word about actual complaints to the league from any teams in previous games, about the pressure of Patriots footballs.

    Not a word about this alleged “sting” operation that they were carrying out.

    Not a word about the officials – who surely must have known about this “sting” – ands why they never once noticed a change in the Patriots footballs.

    The league has said NOTHING all week long, and has allowed wild speculation to run rampant against the Patriots, without coming out with evidence of what they have or know so far.

    It was total irresponsibility to allow this game to play two quarters – AN AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, FOR GOD’S SAKES – with footballs that could possibly be under inflated, and it’s irresponsible to let the Patriots organization twist in the wind while the league conducts an “investigation”.

    If you’re planning on running a “sting” operation, and supposedly catch the Patriots red-handed, why in the hell would you NEED an “investigation”?????

    You would simply come out immediately with the facts of what you did, and what you found.

    This whole thing stinks like a pile of rotting fish on a dock. I think the NFL made a half-assed attempt to catch the Patriots cheating, and failed miserably, and now they don’t know WHAT to do, so they’re saying NOTHING and hiding behind the pretense of this “investigation”.

    Shame on Roger Gooddell, who can’t seem to handle anything without turning into a bumbling, embarrassing fool, Do you think for one minute that Paul Tagliabue or Pete Rozzell would have botched the Ray Rice case of the Adrian Peterson case this bad? Do you think either of them would have let the mystery of those Spygate tapes linger as a question mark all these years? Do you think either of those men would have allowed a “sting” operation during a Conference Championship game, and then not come out immediately with exact PROOF of the results they were hoping to find???

    If Bill Belichick and the Patriots were nailed with evidence of tampering with those footballs – however little it had to do with the outcome of that game – then they deserve to be punished, bothfor cheating

  118. About the Colts footballs. If Luck likes them at the high end, as seems to be the case, wouldn’t the simplest explanation be that as the evening wore on, the balls were re-inflated throughout to maintain that level that Luck likes?

    I mean, that doesn’t seem like a huge mystery to me about how the Colts balls were still good while the Pats balls weren’t. If one team kept them at the high end because their QB likes it while the other team didn’t re-inflate anything because their QB likes it at the low end, wouldn’t that account for this giant “mystery” of the Colts balls still being fine?

  119. Did anyone hear the Colts players say…. The Patriots just plain kicked our butts… Should we review the 1st half vs 2nd half of the game??… Yah I thought so..

  120. and for lying.

    And if there isn’t any proof, then the league should come clean about that, exonerate the Patriots, and fire Roger Gooddell once and for all.

    Come clean, NFL!!!!!!

  121. Until someone finds that somebody intentionally deflated the balls after the refs tested them; this is a non story. Plain and simple. None of the other stuff matters.

    Sorry all you folks that don’t like the Patriots, but that is the truth here. I know you thought that this was the reason they have won all these games over the years, but the bottom line is that the team that picks in the bottom part of the draft every year, keeps beating your team and you don’t like it.

  122. If this is such a big deal and goes against the integrity of the game why is it only a $25,000 fine if you get caught doing it? Doesn’t seem to be too steep of a fine for something that some people are making out to be so important. If people are defending the rulebook then you cant start making up different implications for getting caught. Anyone in the media saying anything about players or coaches getting any type of suspension should be kicked off the air because they are clueless.

  123. fatsolio says:
    Jan 25, 2015 12:13 PM

    …..I’ll stand by my belief someone in the Patriots organization altered the footballs until it can be conclusively proven otherwise……

    —–

    That’s the perfect statement for guilty until proven otherwise, lol.

  124. The most unbelievable of all: acting like refs are infallible with their glorified tire pressure gauges.

  125. Are people this dumb, even the scientists. The balls were NOT brand new, they were broken in with practice, Pats practice outdoors in weather. The balls are dirty, have they ever been cleaned, with what, where they ever wet, how long. Testing on a brand new ball means NOTHING.

    The more worn in a ball is the more you have to put air in as the membrane naturally loses pressure.

    The Colts balls mean NOTHING, unless they were used by the Patriots for breaking in. The only thing the league has to do is reinflate the Patriots game balls, take them outside in the rain for a couple hours, play them and test them.

  126. The issue is not Bill Nye, Carnagie, MIT, yadda x3.

    The issue is whether or not a team convicted of cheating in the past, and a recent bending of the rules in player substitution, and whose QB has publicly stated more than once that he prefers a softer football, IS cheating again.

    This is rocket science. Once a cheater, ALWAYS a cheater!

  127. topwonk says:
    Jan 25, 2015 11:02 AM
    This is actually very simple folks. Tom Brady likes the footballs at the minimum allowable 12.5 psi. That’s what they were when the officials checked them. Andrew Luck likes the footballs at some higher psi, most likely towards the upper limit, much like Aaron Rodgers has stated he prefers. The footballs used by the Patriots dropped below the allowable minimum of 12.5 during the game due to weather conditions, while the balls used by the Colts, although decreasing in psi, stayed above the allowable limit of 12.5. This is what will be determined after weeks of media hype, press conferences, and investigation. And, for the record, I am no Patriots fan… This echoes what I’ve been saying and it is what you will hear after the dust has settled. I’m looking forward to hearing the talking heads at ESPN being publicly discredited for their so-called expert testimony. Sadly ESPN will not point out how badly they rushed to judgement for the sake of a good story and the ratings boost they enjoyed in an otherwise slow news sports week.

  128. NBC- Among the many people who had contact with the Patriots pigskin used in Sunday’s AFC championship — which were reportedly underinflated — were the ball boys. And one former ball boy (who did not take part in Sunday’s match) told NBC News that his goal was always to prepare the ball to the quarterback’s preference and hope they passed inspection, and that it would have been very difficult to tamper with them afterward. Eric Kester, who was a ball boy for the Chicago Bears in 2003, says he can’t speculate about the controversy dubbed “Deflate-Gate,” but he remembers how the preparation worked — starting with the delivery of factory-fresh balls a few days before a game. Two hours before kickoff, he would bring the balls to the referees’ locker room for inspection. “I recall them having a pressure gauge in the locker room, but most often they just squeezed the balls, turned them over in their hands a few times each, and inspected the laces. I don’t recall them ever rejecting one of our balls,” he said.
    And there you have it. The refs don’t use the pressure gauge. They just squeeze the balls, turn them over a few times and inspect the laces. So that may explain why the NFL is in such a pickle here. The Patriots followed the rules just like they always follow the rules. They handed the balls to the refs and the refs said they were good to go. Contrary to what that slimebag Ron Borges said nobody could tell the difference in air pressure. Nobody tampered with the footballs. They were given the green light. It was only after the Colts made a stink about the footballs that anybody even gave it a second thought. Sure the balls may have come in under weight, but that isn’t the Patriots fault. We followed the rulebook by the letter of the law. Same exact thing Aaron Rodgers said all QB’s do. So that’s why the NFL hasn’t said anything and may never say anything. We’re clean. They know it. We know it. Everybody knows it. This has nothing to do with air pressure in footballs. This has nothing to do with competitive advantages. Like I said earlier this is just a smear campaign against the winningest franchise in the history of sport. If you can’t beat um…smear em.
    And you know what the saddest part about all this is? We’ve already seen this song and dance before. America has already fallen for this same exact thing. This is John Tomase 2.0. Remember when Tomase highjacked Superbowl week with a totally fabricated story about the Patriots taping a Rams walk through practice. That’s all anybody talked about all week leading up to the Pats vs. Giants Superbowl. Turned out Tomase just made the story up out of thin air to get his name in the headlines. A way to distract the Patriots from the job at hand. All because my friend Bill (Belichick) was mean to him at a press conference. This year it’s the Colts and the Ravens who are butthurt. Every second that goes by without the NFL saying a peep leads me to believe once again this is just a giant conspiracy designed to distract the Patriots in the most important two weeks of the year. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

  129. mogogo1 says:
    Jan 25, 2015 11:04 AM
    Keep trying, folks. Your atmospheric explanations don’t mean a thing until you explain how one of the Pats’ balls was just fine pressure-wise. It was the rebel ball that decided it wasn’t going to follow the laws of physics like the rest?
    ~~~~~~
    Nobody has said that all 12 balls were retested. That is an assumption people take as fact. Pats provide 12 balls and 11 were below the minimum at halftime. I see two possibilities why the 12th ball was never tested. 1) it could have been passed to a fan in the stands after one of the first half TDs 2) it could have been the ball in the colts’ possession. Testing that ball would give the Pats reason to complain.

  130. So the league apparently KNEW they were aiming to catch the Pats at halftime?
    And the league presumably KNEW that it was league officials who personally inflated the balls to the requested 12.5 PSI?
    Then the league would HAVE to know that the balls would not be regulation by halftime of the game.
    Also, the Colts MAY have inflated their own within a lower air temperature than the did the Pats, and did not prep the balls in the same way.
    IF these things are accurate, a whole lot of people [the league and others] are getting sue d unless they have proof that the Pats altered the balls themselves after the league’s inflating and testing of the footballs pregame.

  131. Well, let’s see … PV=NkT more or less OK even for air.

    1. fill the football to P, get a V dependent upon how you stretch the bladder.

    2. chill the football, if N/V stays about constant, P will drop, but V will tend to drop too and the mechanical properties of the bladder will determine how much. So a cool dry football might not show as large a pressure drop.

    3. wet the football, and the incompressible nature of liquid water in the skin of the bladder will NOT let it shrink without rippling or buckling, which apparently was not observed, so your N/V holds up better. A wetter football will show more of a pressure drop.

    It’s not unreasonable for a wet, chilled football to show lower pressure, even when nobody takes any air out (lower N). This is consistent with the report by HeadSmartLabs.

  132. So Belicheat made no sense. That’s shouldn’t be too surprising to anyone who’s paying attention. Cheaters rarely make sense, especially when they’re trying to obfuscate and misdirect.

  133. so actual scientists at Carnegie Mellon did the tests and proved bill was right but the headline is “Bill Nye says Bill Belichick made no sense” yet the science just proven it did make sense . but the haters don’t want to hear that do they florio .

  134. Unless they were going to take the win away from the Patriots and a give it to the Colts, this really is a nonissue to be left to thosew who will continue to debate it for years to come. Too much time has a already been wasted a on this, move on people there is nothing to see.

  135. Apparently Bill Nye doesn’t understand that friction creates heat, like when a tire pressure monitor comes on only to go off after the friction from the tires gripping the road, creating heat. Rubbing down a football with a brush to take off layers of film creates heat! You’re not wiping it off, that’s why some people use steel wool to treat footballs!

    Oh yeah, he’s a Seahawks fan…

    That explains it.

    Thanks for providing little to no science behind your theory.

  136. All you have to do to know that the Patriots have been illegally deflating balls for years is to look at the fumbles per play stats. Slate.com has an excellent article explaining that the Patriots have clearly been cheating in this way since 2007.

  137. Is this the same Bill Nye, avid Seattle sports fan, with pics of him in Seattle gear all over the internet?

    Nice, unbiased opinion there. It’ll be Seattle’s turn to be under the microscope next week….should be very entertaining.

  138. Mike,

    They should not have used brand new footballs. Teams use worn and broken in footballs ever since Peyton Manning got that rule changes. Just as Brady and Belichick explained there is a detailed breaking in process to the balls before they are turned in to officials. C’mon man.

  139. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to figure out. The theory has already been tested and we know that a BRAND NEW football (one that hasn’t been rubbed down, tossed in a dryer, or whatever else teams do during the year to break them in) can lose 1-1.5 PSI of pressure in replicated weather conditions from New England on Sunday night. We ALL have no idea what the Patriots do to break in their balls and what, if any, additional effect those processes can have on the football losing more air.

    Why didn’t the other 12 Patriots balls lose pressure? We don’t know. Maybe they are kept in doors during the game. Maybe they weren’t broken in like the other balls.

    Why didn’t the Colts balls fall under the regulations? Maybe Andrew Luck likes the balls deflated to 13.5. If the Colts balls were deflated to 13.5 and lost 1 PSI of pressure they would still test out at regulations at half time.

    The reality is Bill is smart and if he did mess with the footballs he did so in a way that was a gray area in the rules. Maybe we find out maybe we don’t. But anyone expecting the league to find video evidence or witness accounts of the Patriots physically taking air out of the footballs in the time between when the refs check them and half time of the AFC championship game is going to be extremely disappointed.

  140. Heres how the WWE Football League is going to script this thing:

    Seahawks will win decisively 31-20. Then WWEA COMMISH GOODELL will announce the findings of their “investigation” on the first Friday of March Madness, and will announce, while the balls were deflated, the Patriots didnt deliberately take air out of the football. Carry on football fans its all good accoring to WWE Football League Commish Goodell. I have called the Ray Rice video “invesitgation”

  141. And CNN has had on 50 physics professors that have backed up Belichick in everything he said. EVERYONE has their own agenda. What the hell does Bill Nye know about football?? EVERYONE is pushing their own agenda and has their own bias. I think Bill Nye is a Jets fan. Explains everything. And how convenient of ESPN to pull their Sport Science documentary that shows how deflated balls provide NO advantage. But they can’t show that. It would go against their agenda that the Patriots cheated and Mark Brunell would probably cry again.

  142. I watched the Bill Nye video. He is as dumb as a rock. He says the only way the pressure can be changed in a football is with a needle.

  143. I know it’s hard to accept that there was no cheating….but there was no cheating. Get over it, whiners

  144. May I suggest that PFT link to Mike Reiss’ personal note linked to his blog today.

    You also might want to post a thread on his discussion of the colts actions during Deflategate and how it may affect the 2015 Patriots – Colts match-up.

  145. “The Patriots have won 0 Super Bowls without cheating 100% absent. They have won 0 after the fines. This is all you need to know.”

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    Okay, homer. So we don’t need to know the Patriots turned over their aging championship defense after 2004?

  146. That test by the guys at Carnagie Mellon is ridiculous. If that in any way resembled what happened to the footballs why werent the Colts footballs similarly deflated? And what about the one patriots ball that wasn’t deflated?

    No room is kept at 75 degrees. A normal range is 67 to 72 but 75 degrees is insane.

    Furthermore, the balls are kept in a bag so not all of them would get wet. Only the ones being used would and those are kept as dry as possible.

    These science people are embarrasing themselves. But the reason there is such an uproar is because there has not been a single reasonable explanation for why 11/12 Patriots balls are exactly 2 pounds light, whereas none of the Colts balls were.

    I’m embarrassed for some of these people.

  147. The denial of Patriots fans here is unbelievable. They want us to believe that all 12 of their offensive footballs somehow lost pressure when their kicking footballs, as well as the Colts’ kicking footballs, as well as the Colts’ offensive footballs ALL retained their pressure.

    If any of the arguments being made in favor of letting the Patriots off the hook again had ANY validity whatsoever, the other 36 balls would have been underinflated as well. The fact that none of the others were out of spec, including the other Patriots balls, shows the result was from deliberate actions, not some meteorological fluke. 75 degrees, if valid, dropping to all of 51 degrees isn’t that much. If the kick-off temp had been 5 degrees, two things: the balls could have lost significant heat and thereby pressure, and all 48 balls could have been affected.

  148. Those brains at CMU might to want provide an explanation of not only how IND’s football managed to remained inflated, but also how the same thing happened in November under different conditions.

  149. Bill Nye needs to explain the Seahawks ability to beat PED suspensions if he wants to gain any credibility in sports science.

  150. edavidberg, now the “scienceguyhattergate” What do those idiots know at Carnagie Mellon anyway. The world is flat and the earth is the center of the universe. Also, you can keep your health care provider.

  151. the answer to the “haters” hate us because we win is that we hate the patriots because they win only with cheating allegations attached. only a stupid person would believe that this pressure stuff only happened last week. this has been going on for a while, go ahead fans, say the good old prove it response. the problem is the patriots have a track record of cheating so right now for most fans it is prove you didn’t. the tapes got destroyed so there wasn’t proof of the taping. but belichek paid the fine, hence admitting guilt. if i had belicheks money, i could buy some real science proof saying that there is no way the temp alone cause the drop. theory and experimentation can be done to what conclusion the people want.

  152. Okay colts dummies.

    1) There balls were at the high end of inflation or over. 13.5 plus?
    2) There balls might have been outside and not reached the equilibrium, amount of time a cold ball would need to warm.

  153. edavidberg says:
    Jan 25, 2015 1:15 PM

    “And what about the one patriots ball that wasn’t deflated?”

    Generally, one of the more reasonable comments here. But according to the media: the Patriots, like the Colts, had 24 balls in total. 12 for the offense, the other 12 for kicking. (What about the defenses’ balls? LOL) Of the Patriots balls, the kicking balls were fine. Not deflated. All 12 of the offenses’ balls were deflated. One just wasn’t as deflated as the others. My guess? The Patriot staff member letting air out of the offenses’ balls saw a ref or other non-Patriots loyalist coming his or her way, and didn’t want to get caught. So one didn’t get the full required deflation.

  154. Highly doubt you’re an engineer as you seem to have forgotten that the pressures people are discussing are GAUGE pressures (psig) and not ABSOLUTE pressures (psia), therefore, when you state that the pressure has decreased by a certain percent, you have to decrease the ABSOLUTE pressure by that percent.

    So, what happened was….the patriots rubbed their balls until they got hot, then they gave them to the NFL who inflated/deflated to 12.5 psig. Though that was done in a room temperature environment, these are hot balls, therefore, the air inside was hot. Then when they are taken out of the NFL room and into the environment, the balls cool down, thereby reducing the pressure inside as Pressure is proportional to Temperature (PV=nRT). The nR and V are constant, P/T is also a constant. It was an ingenious trick by the Pats to reduce the pressure in the balls without touching them. Don’t blame them, blame yourselves for not being as smart.

    As for the NFL, HOW DARE YOU LET TEAMS BRING THEIR OWN BALLS TO THE GAME!!!! Can you see this in the NBA? You’d have to switch balls every change in possession. Further to the NFL, once you take possession of the balls, you own them and you are responsible for them. The NFL should have stated immediately that the buck stops with them instead of letting this incident mar the pre-game of the Super Bowl. Just dumb, NFL.

  155. So Indy’s footballs defied science, sounds to me like the real story is the Colts cheated. Colts cheated just like Rodgers and over-inflated their footballs.

    That is of course if there are any on-the-record reports of testing of the Colts balls.

  156. edavidberg, those test by CM, are far less reliable, than all the conjecture, opinions, and biased reporting we have heard. Now I see you logic. They are witches. Salem witch hunt.

  157. If it is in fact, science, then the law should work on both sides of the field.
    Either the Colts were inflating and tampeting with their balls or Bellichick was full of hot air.

    At least theleague has firmly established that if anyone touches their balls, it’s 15 yards.

  158. Overlooked by the CMU folks (and Belichick, and others) was the ((REPORTED ))ability of the Colts’ footballs to remain within the accepted range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI after the same duration of exposure to the same elements and conditions.
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    The key word being “reported”.

    No one has yet confirmed the Colts balls were tested at halftime and if they weren’t this whole discussion is moot because there’s nothing to compare the numbers to.

    Were the Colts balls tested or not ??

  159. FUMBLING
    So, ANY NFL team who has had less fumbles in a season than the Pats have ALL doctored the footballs to prevent fumbling? NY Giants also had only 1 fumble this season rushing with more attempts. In 2013, the Patriots had 10 fumbles rushing, one of the worst in the league, 26 teams had less. 2012, Pats had 6 fumbles and 11 teams had less.
    Goes to show the lengths the haters of the Patriots will go to say they are cheaters.

  160. Dear Pats haters

    While u fumble around with accusations based on unproven media reports and clear lack and desire to understand science, here are the only facts we know

    Pats ball were under inflated at half time
    Colts balls may or may not have been under inflated but were definitely still within the prescribed allowable limit.

    It’s not illegal to have under inflated balls as long as they weren’t tampered with after the officials checked them

    Science has proven significant pressure loss in footballs for temp change, there are many vids online now showing the testing

    I will add one more fact, nobody has reported when the colts balls were last in a heated room prior to official testing as they were the road

    So with all this facts and none other then speculation and rumours I would like to thank you all for furlong the media fire as this is o it rallying the pats for the game. Please keep it up and know this all your hate towards the pats may be helping the team you so clearly hate. So on behalf of pats nations and the haters we all have the same goal go pats? Keep up the hating haters we can use the help in the locker room.

  161. As for the Colts footballs staying at the “legal” limit? Perhaps they had started with balls inflated to 14.5, 15?

  162. @bencoates57: With respect to the ESPN poll, I find it interesting you mention Pennsylvania as being one of the two biggest offenders of bias against the Patriots, when their current results are 54% tainted, 46% not a big deal.

    Compare that “bias” with the state of Massachusetts which comes in at 18% tainted, and 82% not a big deal.

    Next up, lets look at New Hampshire: 20% tainted, 80% not a big deal.

    Rhode Island you ask? 23% tainted, 77% not a big deal.

    So, if you were trying to find and report to us about bias in that poll, why weren’t you mentioning the states that were by far the most biased and skewing the overall numbers the most?

  163. To NE – Don’t cheat, and you’ll never be accused of same.

    Secondly, don’t call yourself a dynasty, when in fact Pittsburg, SF, Dallas, GB, NY, Oak, WA, each have as good or better a SB record.

    In fact, an actual ‘fact check’ reveals that NE is 3 of 7 in SB wins vs. appearances, with a .429 winning percentage. Pittsburg is .750…SF .833, 3 others are in the plus .600 range.

    Okay, now the dynasty lie has been blown too.

  164. The game was played at 51 degrees. No offense to Carnegie Mellon but by their logic, when NFL games are played at sub zero temps we would be watching them play with pancakes instead of footballs.

  165. the perfect penalty for this heinous conspiracy is to make the patriots swap names with the redskins…after all the washington patriots is so fitting.

  166. W I T C H H U N T ! ! ! !

    People wonder why Belichick hates the media… I hope when this all comes to a head after NE is found innocent of any wrong doing, the Patriots sue espn, pft, and all these other biased agenda driven media outlets for defamation of character..

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    C H E A T E R ! ! !

  167. Belichick wins already, he gave a reasonable analysis to give reasonable doubt as scientists are even split about air pressure so barring any video proof or an admission, the Patriots MUST be deemed innocent! Let the hating continue losers! Bwaaahaaaaaa!

  168. Had the Pats not illegally taped other team’s walk-thru this wouldn’t have even been an issue. The Pats brought this on themselves, although being a dynasty certainly invites haters (losers) to hate.

    For the one millionth time. The patriots never filmed a walk-through. The reporter who reported it was discredited. Do some due diligence before making false and misleading comments.

  169. As a follow up for the Colts issue:

    If Colts balls inflated to 13.5 psig (28.2 psia) at 70F (530R) and the temperature was reduced to 50F (510R), the pressure would drop about 4% or from 28.2 psia to 27.1 psia or 12.4 psig.

    But there are so many variables involved as to render the whole process unscientific.

    Bottom Line = NFL took possession of the balls and they bear the responsibility for them.

    I am reminded of a freshman chemistry class at USC. After the first exam, some students submitted their exams for a re-grade. A few days later, one student was called to the front of the auditorium and it was announced that the Chemistry Department photocopies all graded exams (front and back) before handing them back to the students. A large groan came from the class and they knew the fate of the lucky guy called to the front as he was led out of the classroom.

    So, if the pressure of the balls is such a big issue, why is the Chemistry Department at USC in 1986 on the cutting edge of responsibility and the NFL operating in Fantasyland?

  170. The espn sports science guy said that the patriots were avtually playing at a disadvantage with a deflated football. For some mysterious
    Reason espn has taking it down.

  171. Belichick: Patriots were best team in the AFC in the regular seasons. True.

    Belichick: Patriots were best team in the AFC in the post seasons. True.

    Belichick: At the levels of lower air pressure discussed his quarterbacks could either (1) not discern a difference or (2) could not consistently discern a difference. True.

    Why can’t the people accusing the Patriots admit the above facts are true? Because admitting clear truths make it more difficult to make a case that Belichick is a liar and Patriots doctored the balls after they were checked by the refs.

    It also adds another hurdle to the prosecution. Hurdle #1: The Patriots are guilty of active acts to deflate the balls post the official inspection. Hurdle #2: the impact of the deflation had a material impact.

    Please explain why Brady played better and the Patriots team played better after the balls were reinflated at halftime?

  172. None of the theories account for the Colt’s balls remaining in an unaltered state except one: human intervention/cheating.

  173. Everyone is missing the point. Belichick doesn’t care if you think he’s right. Those are his findings and he invites other findings. The real point is he did enough research to know they didn’t break any rules and he is standing behind it firmly. Good like finding any evidence as he obviously knows there is none to be found.

  174. However these footballs lost pressure is immaterial. The fact is they were found to be well under the legal PSI. The Patriots have obviously been doing this for some time or there wouldn’t have been a sting operation. The Patriots either have an elaborate prep method that delivers an illegal game ball or they let air out of them with a needle. They did this knowing full well they were cheating and creating a totally unfair advantage . The NFL doesn’t want to do anything until after the Super Bowl . If the League had nothing they would have washed their hands of this by now. Fact : Patriots knew full well they were operating their offense with illegal game balls ,they got busted ,now they try to explain it away.

  175. I’m trying to stay open-minded on this. Riddle me these:
    1) If the Pats had to replace 12 balls at halftime, which seems pretty unusual, I have a hard time believing that BB didn’t hear about at some point Sunday that if not told directly at the time. The quick move from “I know nothing, Col. Hogan” to “I know all about this” is bad optics given everything else he was focusing on in that short time period.
    2) Even if the Colts’ footballs checked in at 13.5, an identical loss puts that at 11.5 which is under.
    3) With all the high-powered help the Pats have, why wasn’t that presented for them by said folks at the presser or shortly thereafter with names attached? If it’s a slam dunk people can’t give you hard numbers fast enough. As a tech academic I can tell you (especially if they have > 1 person on it) that they could have put that out very quickly in their sleep.

    Again I’m trying to stay open-minded but let’s see something backing up the reasons for the outcome…from both sides.

  176. PFT, why no link to Bill Burr responding to this “controversy”.

    Wouldn’t even the haters enjoy a link to Bill Burr?

  177. So if Seattle goes back to back they must have been cheating as well right? That’s the only plausible explanation it couldn’t possibly be that they and new England just have great coaches, coaches that make almost every player they come across better.

    The next story will be Marshawn’s skittle tossing is causing players to roll ankles…

  178. Um, excuse me mr. clown shoes. First of all BB never lied about Spygate he admitted his error. He paid the fine. He lost a first round pick. I am not sure why everyone thinks they got off lightly. LOL. guess they must have 3/4 of a million dollars kicking around in case of emergency. I think he came out yesterday so strongly because he knows there IS NO evidence. He knows if he makes that move and it backfires, his neck is now on the line. One thing he IS NOT is a moron. He may be unpleasant, condescending, and imperfect in his mannerisms, but he knows exactly what he is doing. He is being the voice of his team’s defense, like he should be. He is basically telling you that you can try and ask ?s about it, but he’s not going to address your trivial headline seeking. Matthew Slater basically shut the door on asking the players about it too by saying the union has said they cant comment on an open NFL investigation. LOL.

    Patriots are closing ranks. Its now them against the world. All you other teams out there that are or have been elite, and you know who you are (Steelers, Raiders, Cowboys, Niners, Packers, Dolphins) wish your teams were as together right now as New England is. You hate us but I know you respect the effort we put forth to win. We dont play soft football. We run up the score. We expect perfection. Anything less is unacceptable. Thats why were so good. We play nasty, we play past the whistle, we pound WRs when we can, we try to score 100 every game. SO WHAT? I thought thats what the NFL was. Its not field day at elementary school. Theres no ninth place trophy for the nice guys of the world.

    You guys think he honestly doesn’t love rubbing this stuff into you guys? I dont think it is that Bill hates the media, I think it is that no members of the media ask any noteworthy questions about the actual game of football. The media wants nothing more than to ruin this guy because he is smarter than almost all these pencil pushing professional students. Who would you rather be, Bill Belichick or Chris Mortensen? Bill Belichick or Mike Florio? I know who Florio and Mortensen would rather be. LOL.

    The more angry the responses, the more the Patriots fans win. People having a heart attack over a couple PSI. Lmao, It just means that our winning makes you even more angry, while we just sit here and say oh well they havent proven it, say what you want, it doesnt matter. It makes us laugh actually. Also, if you realize anything about America, this is the here and now. These things like Spygate are still fresh in people’s minds. However, 65 years from now, its gonna be a 45 second piece afterthought when they talk about the PATRIOTS DYNASTY!!! Its going to be discussed in the same arguments as the Steelers roid use, the 49ers cap abuse, the Cowboys shady contract dealings and Michael Irvin and Erik Williams and Nate Newtons drug usage, Mercury Morris cocaine usage, the Raiders “if u aint cheating, u aint trying” tapestry that hung in their halls, the Jets tripping return guys from opposing teams, etc etc.
    The hypocrisy is amazing. The things that Ndamokung Suh does now is mild to what Night Train and Butkus used to do, not to mention the famed Deacon Jones and his headslap. The game became a thing of lore because of dirty guys and guys stepping over the edge, and doing what had to be done. Now its a just a copy paste from game to game. One thing has proven true though over the years, and proved true again last week in Foxboro. If you stop the run, and run the ball, you win Playoff football. Period.
    Anyways, as I was saying, I really hope the Patriots winning makes you mad, cuz when your team wins, I dont like it either. On that note, I will say, these other teams fans blind anger at the Patriots is great for their own teams ineptitude. It allows their teams to play complacent , soft football and make bad personell decisions, and then just make excuses when they lose. Blame the other team. Blame a PSI. Guffaw! Keep buying your crappy teams merchandise while we laugh at your Manning shotput passes and Pick sixes, Having beast mode face plant you and taking a 7-9 team to a win, Buttfumbles, missed onsides kicks, wide left (cundiff), wide right (norwood), Dez’s was it a catch not a catch, Hichens nonexistent blatant PI call, etc. Running into a 9 man box on 3rd and 16 when you have Aaron freaking Rodgers as your QB, kicking FGs inside the 1 two times. Face it, the Pats may seem shady as a convenient excuse, and you can blindly say stuff about it, but know this. The other constant in this equation is that your team probably blows, thats why you want to talk about us, because at least we matter!!

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    mrtomlarson says:
    Jan 25, 2015 11:20 AM
    These people who say there is no evidence…… Where have they been? Do they think BB likes giving unscheduled press conferences week of Super Bowl?? Of course there is evidence and even BB sees it and why he’s trying to refute it….. Facts are someone tampered with Pariots game balls and there is only one person who would…… And that’s the guy who’s on record saying he prefers a softer ball…

    Why would anyone else take air out?? Answer is they wouldn’t. BB hoped Brady would come clean as he even said he’s the one to ask….. Even he was hoping Brady wouldn’t lie….. Brady couldn’t get the words out….. That he’s been cheating….. He couldn’t do it…… But only he would tamper with the footballs or ask someone else to…… Yes…only Tom Brady…… It will come out…. Be patient….. BB goes down too tho because he’s one responsible…. But don’t say there’s no evidence…… That’s all there is…. That’s why this is all everyone is talking about…… And it’s because of the evidence!!

  179. Okay! 1st of all Bill Belichick was acting like a weirdo. He was like a chatterbox that you couldn’t shut up. Something completely opposite from how he is normally during news conferences. That alone tells you something is up! 2nd of all, when the weather gets cold they tell you to check your tires because the PSI will drop, but it also works in reverse, while your car is in a warm environment the tires will be inflated at the proper PSI, i.e. garage or barn or whatever. As soon as you put it outside for a couple of hours the PSI will drop. If you inflate your cold tires with cold air to the proper PSI, as soon as you bring your vehicle back into a warm environment your tires will be overinflated. So obviously when they tested the balls in a warm environment and they were still 2 pounds less in PSI, someone let the air out of the balls.

    That’s basic science and that’s proof that the patriots are cheaters, they cheated before and they’ll cheat again.

  180. bullcharger says:
    Jan 25, 2015 2:00 PM
    Everyone is missing the point. Belichick doesn’t care if you think he’s right. Those are his findings and he invites other findings. The real point is he did enough research to know they didn’t break any rules and he is standing behind it firmly. Good like finding any evidence as he obviously knows there is none to be found.

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    I think you are confusing him coming up with a plausible sounding explanation vs knowing they didn’t break any rules.
    The fact that he claimed to know zip about football inflation 3 days after he knew about the investigation means that he had no internal procedure for it.

    Unless there is more evidence than just Belichek’s speculation, all it is is a theory. He has no way of proving that is what happened.

    Unfortunately, it is also that much harder for the NFL to prove it didn’t happen.

  181. People are going to draw their own conclusions. I am not a Pats fan but I will say these 2 are the greatest combo of coach and player I have ever see – and nothing will convince me otherwise.

    A coach should push the envelope – give his team a competitive advantage – do what you can do within the construct of the rules. Other coaches simply are not as creative ….that’s our issue and the reason our teams are forever losing.

    Look at Polian – the biggest whiner out there – he complained about the manhandling his team took and worked to get the rules changed. is that looking for a competitive advantage? Jeesh…enough.

  182. plz sir i beg to differ, it only means that he is the head coach, and he has someone that delegated this procedure to an equipment guy. You honestly think any head coach in the nfl has ever had to inflate a game ball before? you gotta be crazy. theres about 14 million more important nuances to an nfl game to a coach than the psi of the ball. thats exactly why he has an equipment person. theres a procedure. he just doesnt know exactly what it is because he doesnt personally do it. thats exactly what he said. he didnt know the procedure. he researched it over the past couple of days. now he knows, and he thinks youre all being idiotic.

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    eagleswin says:
    Jan 25, 2015 2:18 PM
    bullcharger says:
    Jan 25, 2015 2:00 PM
    Everyone is missing the point. Belichick doesn’t care if you think he’s right. Those are his findings and he invites other findings. The real point is he did enough research to know they didn’t break any rules and he is standing behind it firmly. Good like finding any evidence as he obviously knows there is none to be found.

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    I think you are confusing him coming up with a plausible sounding explanation vs knowing they didn’t break any rules.
    The fact that he claimed to know zip about football inflation 3 days after he knew about the investigation means that he had no internal procedure for it.

    Unless there is more evidence than just Belichek’s speculation, all it is is a theory. He has no way of proving that is what happened.

    Unfortunately, it is also that much harder for the NFL to prove it didn’t happen.

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  183. Haters heads explode when the Pats win the Super Bowl!!!!

    No Asterik to be found in the record book, so sad for all you haters.

    Keep looking for reasons why your team sucks. Especially Bills fans….15 years and counting……bahhahahhaha

  184. Seems Nye and his gurus are scientist without common sense.

    Belichick said, “That process of creating a tackiness, a texture, the right feel whatever that feel is a sensation for the quarterback, that process elevates the PSI approximately 1 pound based on what our study showed….”

    Well, how would the pressure increase? The temperature increased. How? They’re putting them in a dyer. duh! Drew Bledsoe stated on the Dan Patrick Show that they use to put the balls in the dryer when he played for the Patriots.

    Are the Patriots doing this so the balls will “deflate”? I don’t think so.

    Again Belichick said, “I think the most important part of the football for the quarterback is the feel of the football. I don’t think there is any question about that and the exterior feel of the ball is not only critical, but it’s also very easily identifiable…
    When I feel a football, I can feel the difference between slippery and tacky. I can feel the difference in the texture of the football of what degree it’s broken in.”

    Anyone that has ever played football knows a football that is “broken in” is MUCH easier to grip.

    As far as pressure…. Belichick, “The pressure of the footballs is a whole different story… We had our quarterbacks look at a number of footballs, and they were unable to differentiate a 1-pound-per-square-inch difference in those footballs. They were unable to do it. On a 2-pound differential, there was some degree of differentiation but certainly not a consistent one. Couple ones they could pick out, but they were also wrong on some of the other ones that they had.”

    So if the Pat’s are putting the balls in a dryer, would they with the balls at the proper pressure? I wouldn’t think so. Why? Because this is going to stretch the leather when the pressure increases, which in turn will make the balls “more round” (aka rugby ball). Not what you want.

    Most likely scenario… Pat’s throw the balls in a dryer to break them in (under inflated so they don’t get stretched out). They take them to the officials, and as Belichick stated, “When the footballs are delivered to the officials’ locker room, the officials were asked to inflate them to 12.5 PSI.” But the air in the footballs is not at “room temperature”, it’s warmer than that. Over time, and with the outside temperature, the pressure in the balls fall below the minimum PSI. The Pat’s beat the crab out of the Colts. We have WAY OVERBLOWN “deflatgate”.

    Anyone that’s ever played football knows that the tackiness of a ball is way-way-way more important then the pressure.

    Haters gonna hate.

  185. I can’t believe this issue is receiving this much publicity.

    If I were Belichick and the Pats, I’d have a four word answer to every question. It would be, “prove we did it”.

    If they can prove the Pats did it, fine. Do whatever you want to do including suspending Brady and Belichick for the Super Bowl.

    But if you can’t, then shut up and go away. Right now, Belichick is doing the worst thing he can do as a defendant (which he clearly is in most peoples’ eyes). He’s talking too much and you can never win when you do that because there are lots of people who are just waiting to twist your every word around.

    So — the Pats should go Marshawn Lynch on every question about deflated footballs and be done with it.

  186. you know the funny thing about all of this is? the same media that describes lombardi as a god and a legend is the same people that would be trying to tear him down because he would be mean to them as well. I dont really remember too many successful head coaches with a truly pleasant demeanor. its a hard nosed game for hard nosed men. softie journalists wont understand that, no matter how hard they try. thats why they write about the game, and dont try to coach or play.

  187. Football is dead. Football PSI weight is akin to a terrorist attack. Running, tackling and blocking are no longer relevent in football.

    Do NOT go outside! Stay on your couch and play Madden. That’s how men should play football now. If you loose blame it on anything and everything other than manning up, looking in a mirror and saying “I have to do better”.

    Don’t worry about pushing yourself to be great kids, there’s so many excuses out there to blame your lack of effort on.

    Ball pressure, camera placement, broken play station controller buttons. You can blame failure on anything now. No one has to act like a man anymore. WHOOOOPPPEEE!

    Let ’em know Mike! Blame everything other than yourself!

  188. On a level playing field… Both teams should have equal knowledge of all conditions relevant to the game. The Colts had prior knowledge that Patriots game balls would be removed from play at halftime… In fact they asked for that advantage and received it from the league. So, who is the cheater? Ravens coach John Harbaugh was given prior notice of the third quarter adjustments New England would be making regarding ‘Eligible Receivers’. He did nothing other than whine after the game and make veiled unseemly references about stuff he knew was going to happen. Simply, The Colts ‘cheated’ by asking for a different set of rules for themselves last weekend. Harbaugh disgraced himself by whining like a jilted prom date about something he knew was going to happen. Footballs inflated to 12.5 PSI in a 75 degree room will soften over the 2 hours/15 minutes prior to kickoff and the 90 minutes of game play. If you know that inflation is going to be evaluated at halftime, and you have the peculiar advantage to compensate for that while your opponent does not, you have cheated. It is simple if you take the time to actually think.

  189. Did anybody even watch the 1st half of the Colts/Patriots game? With the deflated balls, the Patriots could do NOTHING offensively. Brady was missing passes left and right and receivers were dropping passes left and right. The Patriots were running the ball the entire half. Doesn’t sound like the Patriots were looking to gain an advantage to me. And with the Patriots struggling to throw the ball, why were the Colts so intent on catching them in the act with the inflated balls? It would seem to me that the Colts would want the Pats to play with deflated balls considering they couldn’t throw them at all. The Colts and Ravens were clearly looking to take down the Patriots here because they’re so sick of the Patriots owning them. Just a pathetic, amateurish stunt by both the Colts and Ravens to really take down the whole league. If I were Roger Goddell, I would show no mercy against the Colts and Ravens and fine those 2 teams heavily for making such a bogus claim.

  190. Where are all the conspiracy folks and their claims that Seattle’s outstanding performance has been largely due to the technology advantage of ownership and snooping on their opponents?

  191. So is it time to start asking how the Colts tampered with their balls to keep them from losing any pressure?

  192. lol I love all these excuses for the Patriots, but the simple fact is the Colts balls were in the same elements and still passed halftime inspection, like you stated. This entire thing is a joke. The Pats cheated. They’re rule benders, and obviously rule breakers. Punish them and move on. So sick of the NFL this year. This entire thing has made the Super Bowl almost unwatchable. I’m already on to the draft.

  193. Vinny Gambini: Footballs. I like footballs, too. How do you inflate your footballs? Do you like them regular, underinflated or overinflated?

    Shady Brady: Just regular I guess.

    Vinny Gambini: Regular. Nerf footballs?

    Shady Brady: No self respectin’ patriot* uses Nerf footballs. I take pride in my footballs.

    Vinny Gambini: So, Mr. Brady, how could the weather conditions make your footballs lose so much pressure when it doesn’t have that effect on the rest of the entire football playing world?

    Shady Brady: I don’t know, my balls just get soft faster I guess.

    Vinny Gambini: I’m sorry I was all the way over here I couldn’t hear you did you say your balls just get soft faster, that’s it?

    Shady Brady: Yeah.

    Vinny Gambini: Are we to believe that air pressure decreases faster in a football on your sideline than anywhere else on the face of the earth?

    Shady Brady: I don’t know.

    Vinny Gambini: Well, I guess the laws of physics cease to exist on your sideline. Were these magic footballs? Did you buy them from the same guy who sold Jack his beanstalk beans?”

  194. Lost in the discussion is that when the balls were reinstalled during half time and then put out in the same conditions, they failed to experience the same pressure drop seen in the first half (as the balls tested at the end of the game were still within range). There can be no better comparison than the same balls exposed to the same conditions.

  195. I have yet to see where anyone has said the Colt’s footballs were tested during or after the game. I have not heard the NFL say that either. All we have is a leaked source saying they pats footballs were two pounds below. We don’t even know that is true. If they were two lbs below 13.5, that would be 11.5 only one lb difference from the pats 12.5. Weather easily could have accounted for this. The fact the Ravens complained to the colts and the colts knew they were going to bring this up is suspect to me. I also find it disingenuous that the press and the sour grape fans would convict these guys with no evidence. Those idiots as espn, brunell, the bus, chris carter, should be ashamed and I am a vikes fan. Sorry Chris. You are speaking to an issue with no facts. You should know better.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t find spygate to be a big deal as I don’t see a difference between video, pictures, lip reading and writing down the opposing teams signals. Time to grow up fans. The sad thing is this is an indictment on the press and the fan’s ability to fairly judge a problem. I would hate to have a jury judge me now days because they simply are too influenced before they even get to court.

  196. I’d also like to know this:

    If a partially deflated football (say 10.5 PSI) is really easier to throw, easier to catch and harder to fumble, why would the league mandate that they be at 12.5 to 13.5?

    That makes no sense. It would seem to me that you’d make the optimal performance PSI the standard, wouldn’t you?

    The only possible answers are:

    1. The league is trying to slow down the offensive performance of teams making them use non-optimal footballs so they score less, which we know is not true since every other rule change in recent years has been designed to increase offense, or

    2. An underinflated ball provides no measureable advantage as stated in the ESPN Sports Science article which was removed from their site.

    Again, this seems very simple.

  197. So hold it…

    The balls should have lost pressure during the game due to the difference in inflation at room temperature and then being outside in a different environment, right? 11 balls were not ok, and 23 were…So is it possible the COLTS were cheating by maintaining the correct pressure? Maybe keeping the balls warm or something?

    I am not a fan of either the Pats or Colts, so c’mon geesh, enough already. Come get your whuppin’ from a NFC team….

    Who dat, baby

  198. So the real question, how did all the colts ball defy the laws of physics, not the one patriot ball? Carnegie Mellon, I take their test of Bill Nye any day…

  199. Florio I DARE you to write a post on all the PED’s (Adderall) that the Seattle Seahawks have been caught using since 2011. That’s cheating and breaking NFL rules also.

  200. “Apparently Bill Nye doesn’t understand that friction creates heat, like when a tire pressure monitor comes on only to go off after the friction from the tires gripping the road, creating heat. Rubbing down a football with a brush to take off layers of film creates heat! You’re not wiping it off, that’s why some people use steel wool to treat footballs!”

    Nothing in that brilliant scientific analysis of yours explains why air magically disappeared from the Patriots’ balls, yet stayed inside the Colts’ balls. The fact remains that the Patriots’ balls contained less than the required amount of air. That is not Bill Nye’s fault.

  201. “Florio I DARE you to write a post on all the PED’s (Adderall) that the Seattle Seahawks have been caught using since 2011. That’s cheating and breaking NFL rules also.”

    When you say “caught…”

  202. “Bill Nye needs to explain the Seahawks ability to beat PED suspensions if he wants to gain any credibility in sports science.”

    Why? All he said is that Belichick didn’t make sense. He also failed to explain why the Earth spins in a particular direction, and why anyone cares about Kim Kardashian.

    Do you demand an explanation on those topics?

  203. “I watched the Bill Nye video. He is as dumb as a rock. He says the only way the pressure can be changed in a football is with a needle.”

    How else do you get air from one side of the pigskin to the other?

  204. Lost in all this is the fact that the Colts’ footballs were never tested during or after the game, they were suspicious (due to the Colts equipment guy) of the Pats footballs, hence they got tested.

    I genuinely doubt that they tested the Colts footballs.

  205. The smartest man from Seattle, i.e. the world’s smartest Seahawks fan, doesn’t agree with Belichick – or just isn’t able to follow what he’s talking about.

    Either one makes perfect sense.

  206. rxmontanagf says: Jan 25, 2015 3:11 PM

    Lost in the discussion is that when the balls were reinstalled during half time and then put out in the same conditions, they failed to experience the same pressure drop seen in the first half (as the balls tested at the end of the game were still within range). There can be no better comparison than the same balls exposed to the same conditions.

    =========

    Well said…

    And Alpha, excellent Vinny Gambini cross ex.

  207. It amuses me when people say “Patriots are cheaters. Go Seahawks”, considering that Carroll left the NCAA due to mass recruiting violations (amongst others) and Seattle has more PED suspensions over the past 3 seasons than any other team. You know, like actual cheating.

  208. irongershwin says:
    Jan 25, 2015 10:38 AM

    I’ve never heard of any other team being caught with deflated balls in even more severe weather conditions. Balls go from the Green Bay locker room to on field in sub zero temperatures.

    ================================

    There has actually only been 2 subzero games played in the entire history of Lambeau Field. and A) I doubt anybody bothered to test the PSI at halftime w/o a specific cause or request to do so…and B) the current regulation regarding the balls had not actually been adopted yet (that was 1996).

    I get the point you are making…..and others have made it too…but the it is being grossly overstated especially when you consider the wet bulb effect vs the extremely dry conditions of frigid games.

    I don’t particularly have a dog in this fight but most of the people trying to refute the effect of conditions are using very flawed reasoning to do so…

  209. realitycheck. the balls were cold at halftime, 12-minutes, filled up to specs. That’s less than 12-minute time frame would not have all the internal ball temp to equalize. So there would not be a significant change in psi.

  210. “For example, the official kickoff temperature in Foxboro on Sunday was 51 degrees, not 50. To fully simulate the conditions, the test should have occurred at 51 degrees.”

    This is actually incorrect. To simulate the conditions the test should have been conducted at the temperature existent when the officials checked the pressure and found the balls were out of specification, not the temperature at kickoff.

    If we’re going to nitpick about 1 degree, let’s get it right.

  211. Question? Has it been reported exactly what psi the Colts footballs tested at? I don’t know, but if I knew that I was going to question the other teams psi I sure as hell would make sure that my teams psi was in the acceptable range. I feel the Colts inflated to the max knowing they would lose psi. This whole thing sucks really. The difference in weight by having 2 psi less is the weight of a freaking dollar bill!!! This is incredibly insane. Thanks to the media and losers like Harbaugh and the Colts for ruining what could have been one of the truly great Super Bowl matchups ever. %^&*() killing sports!

  212. “Explain some genius please, how the Colts balls were fine!!”

    Well, they weren’t on the field all that much….maybe they were in an equipment bag next to the heaters….

  213. Do you happen to recall the day pre-2001?

    The Patriots were a laughing stock, you’d find Sasquatch before you found one of their fans and our game had integrity.

  214. It’s pathetic. The whole thing is pathetic. The title makes it seem as though Bill Nye had some great contradictory explanation. Yet I read it, it says he disagrees, then goes on to state a bunch of geniuses from CMU support the Patriots explanation.

    Now, maybe BB is wrong…but he’s a FOOTBALL COACH!! Give me a break. Aside from being top 3 greatest ever, he’s supposed to be a physics master?

    The part in this article that talks about a variation of one degree is a joke…how do you know they don’t keep the locker room at 75 and not 72??

    Ever since I watched The Newsroom, I can’t stand this junk news, click-culture the media has adopted. Ray Rice beat his wife, with video evidence, and did not receive this much scrutiny.

  215. aelsurf says:
    Jan 25, 2015 3:32 PM

    So the real question, how did all the colts ball defy the laws of physics, not the one patriot ball? Carnegie Mellon, I take their test of Bill Nye any day…

    —————————————————–

    The issue with comparing the Patriots balls to the Colts balls is that we don’t know several things. How did each team prepare their balls before the game? Under what conditions were each teams balls inflated? Did the Colts balls show any pressure drop during the game when tested? Those are all key questions that we have no answer to. Everyone saying “The Colts balls were fine, obvious the Patriots cheated” are making a huge leap based on incomplete data.

  216. I think the reason all the Patriots kid fans come to this site is to avoid the Facebook requirement to identify yourself. Plus, that format allows posters to respond directly to posts – especially dumb, homer, redundant posts. Even on Pats forums, posters can’t get away with saying dumb stuff because the more experienced members will shout them down. Pats fans come here to get their ‘ thumbs up’ from other Pats kiddos, but have you noticed all the thumbs down?

  217. OF COURSE the Colts Balls were fine

    They were the ones behind the STING OPERATION

    They likely OVER INFLATED

    Anyone think it was CHANCE that the ONE AND ONLY BALL that was 2lbs under the minimum weight was the ONE in possession of the COLTS?

    All the others were 1 lb under – which according to the scientific experiment by a Pittsburgh lab is TO BE EXPECTED

    The investigation should focus on this SET UP by former JETS employees on the SAME DAY the Patriots filed TAMPERING CHARGES against the JETS

  218. 41chacha says:
    Jan 25, 2015 12:33 PM

    “Take your tire gauge out and measure the psi of the four tires on your car. I’ll bet they are not all the same. I’ll bet at least one is 2 psi different than one of the other four. This is so stupid!”

    And when was the last time you checked the pressure on the tires of your car? Most Americans do it so infrequently the govt has mandated automated tire pressure monitoring. Would there be a big gap after tire pressures were set just a few hours earlier? NO. Also, the average tire on private cars probably has 25K miles or more on them. (Assuming an average of 50K miles expected tire life.)

    Desperate to find an explanation that doesn’t involve deliberate action? Give it up.

  219. -Alpha- says:
    Jan 25, 2015 3:02 PM

    “Vinny Gambini: Footballs. I like footballs, too. How do you inflate your footballs? Do you like them regular, underinflated or overinflated?

    Shady Brady: Just regular I guess.”

    I’ve never really liked grits. -Alph- I think you’ve just posted the funniest post on PFT today. Thank you.

  220. I can understand why deflategate is a story….but why is Bill Nye’s opinion a story?

    “Bill Nye The Science Guy” is a sketch comedy character that was spun into a kids show 25 years ago.

    Just because hipsters have decided that bowties are the retro-cool accessory du jour doesn’t make him any more qualified than Pee Wee Herman or Mr. Rogers.

    He’s an entertainer who earns an income playing a character. He’s not an actual scientist, people…

  221. irongershwin says:

    I’ve never heard of any other team being caught with deflated balls in even more severe weather conditions. Balls go from the Green Bay locker room to on field in sub zero temperatures.

    So should we take that to mean you can provide us with details of when you have heard about game balls being measured during those games in Green Bay?

  222. Brady claimed he prefers ‘soft’ footballs. When I was working (I’m now retired), I preferred a late start to the workday, and an early close to the workday.

    Did I get a late start and an early end? I could have, if I wanted to use leave (if i had any) for that schedule. But I didn’t, as I worked totally within the rules, with an earlier start to the work day, and a later end of that workday.

    It would be nice if Brady and Belicheck (both of whom claimed to play entirely within the ‘letter of the rules’) actually did work, not only within the ‘letter of the rules’, but also the intent of the rules, which are basically to give neither team an unfair advantage.

  223. Pats inflated (or asked officials) to inflate balls to the minimum, while Colts inflated at or near the top of the range. Yes, Pats probably know full well that weather and temperature conditions would cause pressure to slip down to less than 12.5 during the game. No crime, sorry ESPN. So now NFL has to (1) dictate that balls are inflated to the top of the range, and (2) refs handle all balls throughout the game. But Goodell’s dweebs will take a month of continuing drama to get there. Not the smartest lads.

  224. Some may choose not to believe me due to my posting name here, but I have 4 advanced degrees in chemistry (BA, MS. MPhil, and PhD). I would like to explain, please.

    Bill Nye disagrees with only one of what are the three proposed contributing factors. Namely, that rubbing a football can raise the pressure by as much as 1 psi through friction/heat, meaning then that when it cools that there will be a 1 psi drop.

    A second factor, and not in dispute, is that a drop in temperature will cause a drop in pressure. This can be modeled by the ideal gas law. Depending on your assumptions about inflating temps, halftime temps, and atmospheric pressure at the time, the ideal gas law models a pressure drop in the range of 0.8 to 1.4 psi.

    A third factor, often wrongly ignored but also not dispute, is that the pouring rain has an effect on the football, in that leather expands when it gets wet. This increases the volume of the football as it changes from dry (pregame) to water-soaked. An increase in volume without adding air results in a pressure drop. How much? That is harder to model except by experiment.
    .
    One well-done experiment shows the sum of factors 2 & 3 add up to about a 1.8 psi pressure drop.

    There were reports that the Patriots footballs.dropped about 2 psi. PFT today says that one football dropped 2 psi and the others dropped closer to 1 psi.

    Whatever proves to be true, even if you think the rubdown effect is bogus (as Bill Nye does), the other two factors themselves explain most if not all of the alleged psi drop.

    thanks for listening!

  225. roadwarrior99 says:
    Jan 25, 2015 5:03 PM
    Do you happen to recall the day pre-2001?

    The Patriots were a laughing stock, you’d find Sasquatch before you found one of their fans and our game had integrity.

    Let’s see, in 1996 they were in the Super Bowl against Green Bay. Unfortunately Bill Parcells kicked the ball the Desmond Howard. Anyhow, please let me know who your team is because I’m about 100% certain they have not had the success the patriots had in the last two decades.

  226. Bill Nye may disagree with the rubdown, but the whole point of the rubdown is to make the leather more pliable.

    If it’s more pliable AND wet it’s going to expand more than if it’s JUST wet. Add a drop of 25 degrees in temparature and you’ve increased volume without increasing air inside – thus decreasing air pressure.

    It’s amazingly silly that we are discussing this.

    The NFL should be ashamed of itself for fueling this bogus fire that was started by jealous opposing team personnel. Their original story is falling apart before their eyes.

    The NFL owes it to the Patriots to completely exonerate them.

  227. who cares about what bill nye think as it pertains to the nfl?? you guys ask random people questions and keep telling us about their “opinion” like we care, please real football news..

  228. Out of 12 balls supplied by New England, 11 were below the minimum weight.
    Out of 12 balls supplied by Indianapolis, not one had a problem.
    Both balls were exposed to the same room temperature prior to kickoff, and actual temperature and weather conditions on the field throughout the game.
    Yes, this all seems silly. But if the league is stringent on parameters of the ball’s weight, how is it that this is so lopsided? What did Indy do that NE didn’t do?
    Seriously, Patriots fans, explain that. Forget about the previous infractions w/the NFL. I’m no more a science guy than most of these posters are. Just explain that.

  229. Okay, so BB heats up the balls (in a dyer) to pass the pre-game test knowing the pressure will drop as they cool down. THAT is cheating! Smart, but sill cheating.

    Suspend him for a year, effective immediately. That’s what a cheat deserves.

  230. All these great reporters and not one can find out first of all who lodged the complaint? Have they asked the NFL if they have ever studies the impact of weather on ball pressure? Do they have proof that the refs actually tested the balls properly and no them saying they did doesn’t count. Do you know why it is just the Patriots who get all this crap thrown at them. It is simply envy of not being as good as they are. Teams do what they need to get an edge all the time and most teams are smart enough not to throw the first stone due to doing there own little tricks. Of course there are those egos who just can’t take losing who have to lash out rather than accept there own inadequacies.

  231. the610limited says: Jan 25, 2015 7:42 PM

    Out of 12 balls supplied by New England, 11 were below the minimum weight.
    Out of 12 balls supplied by Indianapolis, not one had a problem.
    Both balls were exposed to the same room temperature prior to kickoff, and actual temperature and weather conditions on the field throughout the game.
    Yes, this all seems silly. But if the league is stringent on parameters of the ball’s weight, how is it that this is so lopsided? What did Indy do that NE didn’t do?
    ====================================
    Has ANYONE produced any evidence that the Colts balls and the Patriots balls started at the same PSI?

  232. Hey florio

    You as journalist are missing the ground breaking story here.

    Bull Nye self proclaimed science guy basically just went on national tv and said that Charles Law also known as the Law of Volumes doesn’t exist as he feel PSI could only be changed by a pin.

    The science guy ignored or believes that a globally accepted science principle dating Back to 1802 when Jacques Charles published it, doesn’t exist.

    I have an idea lets let a guy who is struggling with junior school science teach junior school science to kids.

    This guy just made the biggest fool out of himself in the science community and didn’t even present is single argument.

  233. People can talk, run imperfect experiments, and basically do whatever, but they’ll never be able to explain how the Colts’ balls were not two pounds lighter, or similarly deflated.

  234. “Out of 12 balls supplied by New England, 11 were below the minimum weight.
    Out of 12 balls supplied by Indianapolis, not one had a problem.
    Both balls were exposed to the same room temperature prior to kickoff, and actual temperature and weather conditions on the field throughout the game.
    Yes, this all seems silly. But if the league is stringent on parameters of the ball’s weight, how is it that this is so lopsided? What did Indy do that NE didn’t do?”

    Is anyone looking into he possibility that Indy inflated the balls, since the guy who accused teh Pats is a former Jet coach who hates teh Pats and who notified teh NFL of the “issue” immediately after teh Pats filed a tampering charge against the Jets?

    Did the refs measure the COlts balls before the game? At halftime? Did they write down this info or are they just saying how it was? These are important questions no one is asking, but surely will be asked if the NFL comes to a verdict of wrong-doing. Anyone can say, it’s makes sense if the colts balls were at the right temperature after the game, but that isn’t proof of tampering by the Pats, not if there are other possible, even if unlikely, rreasons. This invetigation BETTER focus on the COlts, also, or it will blow up in the NFL’s face for pulling a sting for someone with an axe to grind.

  235. I love that when someone contradicts Belichick its front page news at PFT, yet when someone agrees with Belichick… *crickets*

  236. Even if the balls were “Accidentally” deflated, Brady has been playing this game long enough to know that the balls were not right. He knew it and didn’t say anything. That is because he knew of the advantage. The true character of a person is how he acts when he doesn’t know someone might see him. Obviously, if he had character, he would have spoken up rather than taken advantage and cheated. Letter of the game of not. He should question the man in the mirror and the NFL should take a hard line and keep him from playing in the super bowl for the same time that the deflated balls were in play because that’s how long he was cheating!

  237. Honestly what Belichick said yesterday was “we followed the letter of the law” meaning the balls would have passed at inspection. What he also said was they only could test their “preparation”. Read between the lines, they did something to create friction, which created heat, which caused the air to expand in the short term for the inspection and slowly deflate for game time. So until someone tests their same preparation, the simulations aren’t going to be 1 to 1. Is it illegal? By the letter of the law No, ethical is the question. Explains why the colts balls were fine and why the Pats other 12 balls were fine as well (they were prepared the same way for inspection).

  238. Once again – the Colts planned ahead to challenge the Patriots on the balls.

    There was NO WAY they were going to inflate just to the minimum level and allow the elements to take effect.

    They no doubt inflated to the maximum to make sure they’d be safe. This is COMMON SENSE folks.

    If the Patriots knew the Refs would be checking at half time like the Colts did, don’t you think THEY, just like the COLTS would have made sure they were well above the threshhold despite the weather?

  239. Let me try to explain why the Colts balls were likely inflated to the MAXIMUM Level folks

    Let’s make believe people are speeding on your road

    Now make believe you call the police and tell them to set a speed trap

    Now imagine you are driving home, and pull on to your road

    ARE YOU GOING TO SPEED?

    No, of course not. You know the cops are there.

  240. If the Colt’s planned this…then good for them. And stupid of the Pats.
    Why didn’t the new balls at halftime not deflate? Huh? Huh?

  241. OMG! How much of an idiot is this guy? Bill Nye, what happens when you put footballs and aggregate inside a concrete mixer??? Hmmmm, ohhhh I know you get scuffed balls with an internally higher temperature which would make everything BB said 100% correct. Maybe everyone you’ve charged for educational purposes should look into a class action…

  242. It is VERY simple. The Patriots deflated their footballs for an unfair advantage that turned out was not needed. The fact that it wasn’t needed doesn’t change the reality of it being a blatant disregard for the rulebook and CHEATING.

    If you believe Belichick’s ridiculous “science” explanation then you’re either a blind fan of the Pats or not very bright (or both). It takes a needle to remove the air from the ball by someone who was told to do so. This most likely was NOT the first time they had done this, just the first time they were caught.

    And BTW, does Belichick think we football fans are so dumb to think the weather was different on their side of the field?!?! GIVE ME A BREAK!

  243. Bill Nye, a mechanical engineer who worked at Boeing before becoming TV’s “Bill Nye The Science Guy,” appeared on Sunday’s Good Morning America to say Belichick’s explanation “doesn’t make any sense.”

    Another group based in Pittsburgh that includes brainiacs from Carnegie Mellon (somehow, I was admitted there and graduated with a degree a metallurgical engineering and materials sciences and a degree in engineering and public policy) claims that the conditions of the AFC title game would have caused a significant drop in air pressure.

    Bill Nye against Carnegie Mellon. HMM wonder who is more qualified? A writer, actor, comedian, BS degree holding mechanical engineer or a World renowned institution. Anyway, interesting how now it is being reported that the ONE BALL THAT WAS 2 PSI under inflated was the only ball that was in the possession of the INDY BENCH AREA after the D. Jackson interception. Also the game balls were inflated to 12.5 PSI immediately after pre-game prepping 2-2.5 hours before the game and the 2nd half balls were inflated minutes before the start of the second half without the benefit of the legal pre-game prepping of rubbing and conditioning the balls that could have raised the temp. inside the balls which would have affected the PSI as pumped. Apples and Oranges Haters, Apples and Oranges

  244. The only reason Patriot fans don’t care whether or not their Team is unethical is because the realize this probably is the last time the Bill and Tommy will actually have a chance to win one more Super Bowl because they aren’t facing Eli.

  245. At one point Bill Nye was a semi likable buffoon…..now he’s just an unlikable putz…..

    I think he’s been frustrated since he came up short on the CMM….

  246. Bellichek talked about pressure rise after they scuffed up the balls, he checked the stitches…hmmm..

    Bellichek did all that research, yet failed to reveail that the pressure in the ball is a very controlled process. The ball ball turns in all 12 balls to the referees to specifications – Colts balls and Patriots Balls. The balls stay with the referees at the correct pressure, or they can be checked out ONLY by the ball boys. That is the process! It doesn’t matter what they do with scuffing up the balls, etc. Why did Bill, the genius, not even talk about the only thing that matters. What did the ball boy deliver as a pressure to the Referees?

    Answer: Bill AND the NFL do not want a mass exodus of Patriot fans. Therefore Bill creates a ridiculous series of events to analyze, none of which matters at all to how the balls are finally delivered to spec to the referees. Patriots fans are like Bills fans that support OJ Simpson. They believe what they want to believe, it doesn’t matter the lies.

  247. I wonder what the next line of defense will be when Belichick’s story is show to be the load of crap that it is. Will they trot out a ball-boy to be sacrificed then or do they have another time-consuming will-o-the-wisp for everyone to chase?

    They trotted out the ball-boy! LOL

  248. Bill Nye knows more/better than Belichick. I can understand why the New England fan-boy league is desperate to tear him down or make jokes…they can’t fact the truth of the situation. Their boys cheat to win.

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