Robert Kraft: NFL should apologize to Patriots if football tampering isn’t proven

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In a prepared statement Monday night, Patriots owner Robert Kraft criticized how the NFL’s investigation of allegations of under-inflated footballs has proceeded and offered a strong defense of his franchise, most specifically coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady.

In one of his strongest remarks, Kraft said the NFL would owe Belichick and Brady apologies if its probe did not find wrongdoing committed by New England.

“If the Wells investigation is not able to definitely determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs, I would expect and hope that the league would apologize to our entire team, and in particular, Coach Belichick and Tom Brady, for what they have had to endure this past week,” Kraft said Monday night.

Of Brady and Belichick, Kraft said: “They are my guys. They are part of my family. And Bill, Tom and I have had many difficult discussions over the years, and I have never known them to lie to me.”

In his statement, Kraft held that the Patriots’ integrity had been unfairly questioned because of “public discourse which has been driven by media leaks.”

Said Kraft: “I am disappointed in the way this entire matter has been handled and reported upon. We expect hard facts as opposed to circumstantial leaked evidence to drive the conclusion of this investigation.”

Earlier in his remarks, the Patriots’ owner reportedly said he was sure his team had not done anything wrong.

“I want to make it clear that I believe unconditionally that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate,” Kraft said, according to the Boston Globe.

Kraft did not take questions afterwards, leaving Belichick and Brady next to take the podium as the Patriots collectively channel their energies towards Sunday’s Super Bowl vs. Seattle.

292 responses to “Robert Kraft: NFL should apologize to Patriots if football tampering isn’t proven

  1. I never thought this was any great crime; but a reason for concern blown up by the media. However; that response from Kraft is just…really bad.

  2. I would expect an apology from Kraft when the report exposes them as the cheaters they are. Their reputation is well deserved as proven cheaters in the spygate scandal which I’ve never heard him apologize for.

  3. Well, Kraft does have a point. Still can’t get past those awkward pressers by Brady and Belichick, though.

  4. I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”

  5. Well since Mr. Kraft only cares if it is proven, and it was, he should apologize to 31 other owners, lose picks and give out pink slips, and not to the ball boy.

  6. Who is he trying to convince? Every Patriot fan is already completely in denial about the situation, and every intelligent, err I mean non-Pats fan still thinks that entire franchise is full of you know what. Pointless Press Conference

  7. Wow, I think he just called us all stupid. You don’t get that rich without cheating in all aspects of your business life and admitting to it. You just pay off who you need to pay off to make things go away.

  8. Just like ‘bountygate’

    Kraft – 6 game suspension
    Belichick – 1 year suspension
    Brady – 1 year suspension

    Done!

    Oh wait Goodell is buddy buddy with Kraft so No, nothing will happen

  9. You’re joking me right?

    Eleven of your teams “balls” were tampered with rob. I’m sure if wasn’t that magic patriot fanboy juice that deflated almost all of them.

  10. As much as I hate the Patriots, I am really starting believe they did nothing wrong. The footballs were probably set to the minimum level allowed (12.5 psi, I think) and then the cold & damp weather took them below it. Colts footballs were set towards the higher end of the limit so they were still in the safe level when tested later. Can’t blame the Pats if the rules don’t require them to re-test the footballs during the game to make sure they stay in the legal limit. Case closed.

  11. We have an “investigation” driven by a former Jets employee, scumbag Harbaugh and his toady Pagano.

    This is manufactured by people getting tired of being pounded by the Pats again and again.

    It’s much easier to whine that the Pats “cheat” than accept you’re just not that good. Look at the Ravens. It doesn’t matter if they lose to the Pats or anyone else, they always whine and never take responsibility on themselves.

    Meanwhile every single game the Pats have lost in the Belichick-Brady era they always take responsibility on themselves.

    It’s a shame inferior men have to take this route to make themselves feel goid about their own inferior efforts.

  12. And what if they find you guilty Mr. Kraft? Are you willing to apologize not only about your cheating in #DeflateGate but also SpyGate?

  13. And what will you do Mr. Kraft if tampering with the footballs is proven? Would you hand back the Super Bowl 49 trophy if you win the game this weekend? It is pretty obvious that the weather wasn’t the cause of the deflating. Therefore, a person was involved and most likely an employee of the New England Patriots!!!

  14. Remember when Kraft “acted” in an “audition” for a supposed Vince Vaughn/Owen Wilson movie with his 20-something gal pal. That just oozes integrity.

    I’ve never looked at that dirtbag the same way since.

  15. The League has given Pats time to get their story straight, and now they know they can get away with denying everything….what all liars usually resort to.

    Should change their name to the Boston Black Sox

  16. Putin expects an apology as well from Kraft for not having his Super Bowl ring cleaned and shined prior to “lending” it to him.

  17. Aww, poor Kraft. His boys would never [spygate] think of doing anything [spygate] wrong. If this crook of an owner [defation] didn’t foster a culture of cheating [deflation], the media and fans would not be so critical. Actually, Kraft owes the NFL and all of the non – NE fans an apology [deflation, spygate].

  18. Earth outside New England: Patriots should be stripped of all wins in the Belichick era.

    The Patriots are a team with two Super Bowl appearances (both losses), and the NFL is a joke of an organization.

  19. This is no different then Bill’s fake science show. This is all to distract from the obvious truth.

    That all 12 of the the Colts footballs stayed filled to regulation. That right there proves someone tampered with the Patriots footballs.

    Such a shady, manipulative organization.

  20. Money, Power, Control.

    This isn’t news.

    NFL isn’t going to punish one of their biggest cash cows who keeps helping them bring in the cash.

  21. Why should the NFL apologize? They haven’t accused the Patriots of anything. They are simply conducting an investigation as to why the pats’ balls were out of spec.

    But I forgot, we’re all supposed to bow down and partake of the same kool-aid Pats fans are fond of whenever TB or BB speak. Oh and Mr Kraft, the same pillar of integrity that pulled in a 32 year old trophy GF literally right on the heels of his wife and mother of his 4 sons passed away. Yep, that’s the guy I look to for guidance. LOL

  22. Haters….give us the evidence. No Rat-employee
    ala Eric The Rat….no video of a 15 year old snot nose sitting in a room with an air pin in one ball after another, no nothing.

    Give it to us or give it up.

    Person of Interest….hahahaha.

  23. No Mr. Kraft, if the NFL finds no wrong doing your buddy Mr. Goodell should be fired by you and your 31 other partners for launching such a heinous investigation. Not only did the “shield” take a blow but it’s pissed away a week of REAL football back stories that could have been reported leading up to the Super Bowl.

    Why air your dirty laundry with your employer on national television a week before the Super Bowl?? Stupidity is why, you would think for the millions he makes a year a little discretion would have been his avenue of approach….oh well, as Ron White said “You can’t fix stupid”.

  24. Don’t worry the NFL has found the locker room attendant that you’re going to pin it on. Clearly locker room attendants change the ball pressure without telling the franchise QB all the time! Wash your hands Kraft, it was all him.

    Bountygate: Ignorance is not an excuse.

  25. And if tampering is proved to be done in your organization ,what will you do?
    Will you set an example and not condone cheating and being lied to?
    Or will you just pipe down and take whatever punishment the league hands down to YOUR organization, be it a fine and draft picks. Then let Belichick and Brady off the hook. IMO there is no way an employee went rogue with the footballs before the AFCCG. NO WAY.

  26. Good for Mr. Kraft.

    Thank you PFT for not censoring his comments, so far.

    Ted Wells says:
    “I expect the investigation to take at least several more weeks. In the interim, it would be best if everyone involved or potentially involved in this matter avoids public comment concerning the matter until the investigation is concluded. The results will be shared publicly.

    Mr. Kraft has said the last word for the Pats.

    Pro Football Talk, stick to the game this week.

    Anything else is Amateur Hour.

  27. Old man has amnesia, he’s always being “duped”.

    So when they are found guilty will you Fire Belicheat?

  28. Very predictable. Try to provide cover for your guys to diffuse the cheating. 3 months from now after the Super Bowl They will fire a ball boy, blaming him.

    Joke.

  29. Commish Goodell isn’t the choir child among the owners that we thought he was. Extremely strong wording by Kraft and Goodell was the intended target. Interesting

  30. harrisonhits2 says:
    Jan 26, 2015 8:58 PM

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    Inferior men feel the need to cheat. Inferior men continue to do so even after they have been caught. Inferior men deflect the blame.

    The bottom line is that the Patriots have a history and pattern of cheating. If you don’t like it, take it up with the cheaters.

    Kraft can blow all of the smoke he wants. He didn’t come out with problems of leaks when the lockout was going on. He uses leaks when they suit him and then wants to deride them when it goes against him.

    This story has so many legs because the Patriots are habitual cheaters.

    The Patriots whine as much as anyone, even more. Remember when Bill Belicheck chased down an official and got fined after a loss to the Ravens. Talk about whining. And if there is a bigger whiner in the NFL than Tom Brady I’d like to see him.

  31. Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”
    **************

    Google it! The Patriots have been pushing the limits of decent sportsmanship and fair play for YEARS. There’s snowgate, spygate, deflategate, and whatever new “gate” they come up with in years to come. No one wants to believe their team is capable of being cheaters, but Pats fans need to quit drinking the Kool-Aid and admit that their team is dirty as yesterday’s socks. And, NO, people are not jealous of your team. Why would anyone be jealous of a team that has to cheat to win?

  32. They get a slap on the wrist for cheating 3 super bowls. and evidence tossed.

    now they want the nfl to say sorry if they dont find proof that they are cheating again? when everybody knows they are….

    its time to lay the smack down on the pats, even the saints got it worse than them for that bounty stuff.

    Kraft calling out the NFL may backfire big time when they find some shmuck to take the fall for this.

  33. I embrace your hate, it makes me and all Patriots fans stronger, and I hope your jealousy drives you mad, losers.

  34. The fact there is so much hatred in New England for the Ravens just shows how much under the Patriots skin they are. I love it!

    Keep on hating, cheaters!

  35. Jets schill and unabashed Pats hater Jay Glazer better have some extra bodyguards around him in Phoenix this week if he wants to continue spewing those lawsuit-worthy tweets.

  36. When will Kraft apologize to the NFL for employing a serial cheater whose been screwing the rest of the NFL for over a decade and counting?

  37. “I want to make it clear that I believe unconditionally that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate,” Kraft said, according to the Boston Globe.”

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Who’s the schmuck now?

  38. bradwins says:
    Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM
    I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”

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    Sir, you don’t belong on the internet – you are too smart

  39. The NFL isn’t going to punish one of their biggest cash cows cuz nothing happened.

    But keep crying to your daddy Goodell to do something

  40. Kraft is smarter businessman than anyone on this message board (myself included). No way he’s doubling down like this unless he KNOWS the NFL has absolutely nothing on the Patriots. Just saying…

  41. by reading the support of the pats, a person can surmise most replying are pats fans, afraid the truth will come out about their sleezy organization. a desperate fan base indeed

  42. Hey Laundry Boy don’t you have some shirts to go IRON. Your a known liar as well and I’m curious hows your video’s with young gold diggers working out.

    As they say up North CHEATAHS!!!

  43. Well since Mr. Kraft only cares if it is proven, and it was, he should apologize to 31 other owners, lose picks and give out pink slips, and not to the ball boy.
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    Go stick a needle in any ball on a cold day and tell me what you find. The problem isn’t that the ball was below spec. That’s legal and expected in cold weather. Until now, no one has actually cared. What is the issues is that the league thinks the Patriots adjusted the ball after it was inspected. Thus far, they have nothing but a bunch of leaks – half of which end up not being true.

    Eight days on and the best they can do is leak that the ball attendant who walked the balls to the field is a “Person of Interest”? Really? You expect me to believe he wasn’t one of the first 40 people you interviewed?

  44. WOW! Could Pete the Cheat be having the most incredible luck ever with this Deflategate thing? Until of course, February 1st.

  45. How could they be cleared of wrongdoing? The footballs were properly checked by the officials before the game. When the balls were in the Patriot’s possession they became deflated. Just because you can’t pinpoint who exactly did it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The Colts balls were fine under the same exact conditions.

    The team is responsible for what happens to those balls while in their possession. Just like a player is responsible for what goes in his body. If a player takes something that has a banned substance in it that wasn’t listed or labeled the NFL doesn’t care, the player still gets suspended. Just because the NFL can’t prove the player knowingly took the banned substance they don’t have to prove player A or assistant B did it. The evidence speaks for itself.

  46. I agree with Kraft … the NFL should apologize but to the other 31 teams and their fans for allowing the Patriots to cheat and doing nothing about it.

  47. I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”

    Because, The Patriots win.

  48. Well done, Mr. Kraft. You have rightly thrown down the gauntlet. After the NFL makes their apology you should publicly ask Goodell to resign.

  49. I love it when I see the “preferential treatment” the Pats will receive if found guilty.

    Same “preferential treatment” I guess that resulted in the loss of a first round draft pick and $750k in fines.

    So yes, Richard Sherman, et al. The Pats, because of Robert Kraft will receive preferential treatment.

  50. nfl1818 says:
    Jan 26, 2015 9:11 PM

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    Your argument would be much stronger if you didn’t have a player currently facing three murder charges. Particularly since the Patriots heard rumblings about his character but then still gave him a huge contract.

  51. Spygate. Cheating. Illegal Taping. Repeat Offender. All these words have one thing in common regarding the Patriots – they all grossly misrepresent the historical record. In fact, could be the greatest misrepresentation in the history of sport.

    Did they Spy? No. Did they Cheat ? No. Are they repeat offenders? Not of cheating. Was it illegal ? Not the taping.

    So what’s the issue ? One, they win. Two, the media and their unsuspecting constituents are lazy.

    It’s no surprise that morons on the internet don’t get it. Nor is it any surprise that the mass media doesn’t get it. And sadly, it’s no surprise that the nation’s #1 sports network doesn’t get it, as a quick internet search reveals numerous factually incorrect ESPN articles from 2007, all gleefully cited by keyboard moralists, which state that taping opposing team signals was illegal. Seriously, you cover the sport and you misquote the rules? Even worse you interview coordinators and scouts that also don’t know the rules. Dolts.

    All of the haters are totally misinformed, and even most Pats fans have been so bamboozled, that they think the Pats broke meaningful rules.

    Sorry, but taping opposing defensive signals was legal from designated “video shooting locations,” and any area not one of these 3 locations: the coaches booth or the field or the locker room. BB taped from the sidelines; technically, the field is 360 feet x 160 feet, so for all you rule purists that think 2 PSI is important, the sideline or behind the endzones is legal, which is where the Jets chose to tape the Patriots. If one defines “field” as any ground level location, BB could have moved the camera back by 50 feet to the first row of the stadium and that would have been 100% acceptable by every interpretation of NFL rules. In fact, BB could have legally taped from any of 80k seats. Or he could have taped from any private box and enclosed area not occupied coaches. Or, depending on how one reads the rules, he could have taped, as he did, from anywhere as long as those tapes were not analyzed and used in that game. What BB relied on is the part of the rule that prevents real-time usage of video (device usage that “might aid a team during the playing of a game.”) He never did that.

    Signal stealing is as old as the game and taping was legal (per the Anderson memo and the 07 NFL Rulebook), so how exactly was he spying or cheating? Spying is concealed activity, which this clearly wasn’t, as the cameras were in the open and, at a minimum, known to the Colts, GB and Jets. Recall Herm Edwards waved to the camera. Further BB was only cheating if he abused the rules for advantage, ie same day use of the material , which was never alleged. Many officials of other teams were quoted as saying we do the same thing, just without video. The real question is why didn’t one of the other 31 teams call the NFL and (1) report the Patriots or (2) ask for a rule clarification about where recording devices could be located because maybe they, not BB, misread the rule. That simple question would have saved everybody a lot of hassle. They either did not care, were already taping very adequately with high def cameras located elsewhere or had already tried it and saw no value.

    To repeat, the alleged crime was the exact location of the camera. But if you think a 20 foot difference in an age of high def cameras is important and validates a charge of spying and cheating, you are stupid or desperate. BB parsed the rules to justify the camera location, in part because the rules were poorly written, and Goodell simply parsed the rules back to nail him. Hardly black and white. It is a very minor technicality of location that BB violated.

    Sadly an entire generation of media and fans now routinely refers to Spygate and cheating and fully believes that what actually happened resembles the meaning of those words.

  52. That all 12 of the the Colts footballs stayed filled to regulation. That right there proves someone tampered with the Patriots footballs.
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    Nope. A 13.5 PSI ball would have stayed in regulation or close to it. Cold, it would have been around 12.5 PSI.

  53. For some reason this reminds me of Rafael Palmeiro’s pointing finger at the baseball/steroid congressional hearing while saying, “I have never used steroids. Period.”

    Of course he was busted & suspended after a positive test a few months later.

  54. Hard to believe that Edelman didn’t throw that football into the stands…

    John Harbaugh. You’ll regret this bush league stunt someday, Sally.

  55. brett9990 says:
    Jan 26, 2015 9:15 PM
    Kraft is smarter businessman than anyone on this message board (myself included). No way he’s doubling down like this unless he KNOWS the NFL has absolutely nothing on the Patriots. Just saying…

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    They have 11 of 12 seriously underinflated balls, as opposed to your two. They have the fact that none of the opponent’s balls were deflated under the exact same conditions. That is not absolutely nothing. Just saying…

  56. Bad move Kraft…because this logic follows that the NFL should enforce penalties if it is.

    The team screwed the pooch when it acted like this was a joke.

    Teams that have never been formally accused of cheating might get the benefit of the doubt. That doesn’t describe the Pats at all.

  57. “The Minnesota Vikings played their coldest home game in 38 years on Sunday, when they beat the Carolina Panthers in 12-degree temperatures at TCF Bank Stadium. As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday’s game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.”

  58. Here’s what I keep asking and no one has the answer.
    11 of 12 balls were illegal juring the game … Where was the penalty for unsportsmanship? I know the Colts got one for hitting Brady.

  59. Pounded by the Pats really the only reason they make the playoffs and get Home field advantage bis because they play in the worst division in football for decades. That division is nothing by high schol caliber football. Put them in the Steelers or Denver or Dallas division they wouldn’t even see the playoffs

  60. I’ve been saying this for awhile. The NFL is going to apologize for not realizing that cold air reduces football pressure.

    This is so simple, even a simpleton like Bill Nye should realize it… and oddly he did not.

  61. grandsonofcoach says:
    Jan 26, 2015 9:07 PM
    I’ll give you that Kraft, as long as you agree if cheating is confirmed it will forever tarnish your team’s legacy. #can’thaveitbothways.

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    They are already confirmed cheaters. It has already tarnished the team’s legacy. That is why so many people believe they are cheating now. They got caught before.

  62. How could they be cleared of wrongdoing? The footballs were properly checked by the officials before the game. When the balls were in the Patriot’s possession they became deflated. Just because you can’t pinpoint who exactly did it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The Colts balls were fine under the same exact conditions.
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    Except the conditions weren’t the same. The NE balls were above room temp from their treatment when given to the officials. That’s the bit about the pressure going up 1 PSI.

    Which ball will have a lower final pressure at T=50 F given its initial conditions?
    Ball A: T=95 F, P = 13.5 PSIg
    Ball B: T=85 F, P= 12.5 PSIg
    Ball C: T=70 F, P= 13.5 PSIg

    Different initial conditions will lead to different final conditions even if some variables are the same (like temperature).

  63. An owner whose franchise has already been caught cheating multiple times and is being accused of cheating again in the middle of an investigation wants an apology.

    Is he serious? Do the Patriots really feel this entitled to now ask for an apology just hours after it was revealed that a Patriots employee is being targeted as the source of the violation?

    Wow. That’s a brazen request.

  64. a first round pick removed from the colts and given to the patriots and a 2nd round pick taken from the raven and given to the pats is all the appology the patriots would need .

  65. Says the man who signed Aaronthals check.
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    Aaronthal?

    You mean Orenthal? Bills, man.

  66. 1) Brady acting like he didn’t even know what a football was.
    2) Belichick going from 1-word answer interviews to doing science lectures
    3) ..and now Kraft standing up, professing their innocence and demanding an apology?

    I either passed out and woke up in a parallel universe, or they’re guilty as hell…

  67. Hopefully Kraft, in the interest of truth and protecting the integrity of the league, has assured all of his employees that he is interested in getting all the facts on the table and none of their jobs will be at risk if they are somehow implicated.

  68. Go sell overpriced razors, you cheating old fart. Funny that your outrage suddenly appears on the day the video of your equipment manager sneaking off with the balls shows up.

  69. Emboldening the already nauseous and obnoxious Faketriot fan base with rich man dribble.

    Sounds like Goodell will be coming down on his buddy.

  70. The real problem is I don’t believe Goodell or Kraft.

    The NFL hasn’t released any evidence besides their word. That means nothing to me and I am sure a majority of NFL fans feel the same way.

  71. When will anyone cry about Aaron Rodgers’ statement to Phil Simms that he routinely inflates the ball over the permissible limits? He admitted to breaking this rule, and in fact is the only NFL player to have admitted such a violation! Perhaps we should call for his head too…..

  72. What do you expect from Kraft. Another one of those guys born into wealth. Took grandpa and daddy money and made some more. He has no core values or integrity. Drunk dancing on video with a 25 yr old before his dead wife was cold. Guy is a scumbag who created a culture of cheating.

  73. Is he serious? Do the Patriots really feel this entitled to now ask for an apology just hours after it was revealed that a Patriots employee is being targeted as the source of the violation?
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    He probably has seen the video and knows that this latest leak is as unsubstantial as many of those that came before it. The ball boys are where this investigation should have STARTED, not a big break after eight days. Leaking that now is smoke.

  74. Hey another Wells investigation. He’s already written the report that says exactly what NFL wants it say. Now he just has to interview people and make up the testimony that supports his conclusions.

  75. Brady should apologize for lying in front of millions of people. Under the N.E patriots wiki-pidia page it shouldn’t say nfl professional football team it should say nfl professional (cheating and lying football team) because that’s exactly who they are. This team has been under the microscope for cheating since the belicheat regime existed.

  76. Bradwins
    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”
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    Because they win.

    And don’t bring up the Fins, Denver, Jets tampering, that is not cheating…oh wait…right loss of draft picks. A price both Denver and Miami were willing to pay after SB wins.

    Please don’t bring up Landry listening in on the other team’s QB signals when he worked for the giants.

    Also Ewbanks spying on other teams practices from rooftops.

    Or spitballs. Or kicking dirt on home plate. Or kicking first and third away from home plate while taking the field (yes, a foot further is a foot, unpegged bases this works).
    Or stealing signals from the 3rd base coach, or lining everyone up on the sideline during kickoffs, or home teams showing replays that matter only to the home team, chicken winging a stick in hockey, shortening pegs on the nets, bending your stick past regulation, exc exc.

    Want to know what the culture of cheating is?

    American Sports where ‘winning is everything’ -Lombardi.

    It’s never been about fair play. Ever. When spitballers get in the HoF, when roid ragers get in, it proves the point. Winning is everything. Got an edge- take it. Why? Because millions of dollars are on the line.

  77. Spygate. Cheating. Illegal Taping. Repeat Offender. All these words have one thing in common regarding the Patriots – they all grossly misrepresent the historical record. In fact, could be the greatest misrepresentation in the history of sport.

    Did they Spy? No. Did they Cheat ? No. Are they repeat offenders? Not of cheating. Was it illegal ? Not the taping.

    So what’s the issue ? One, they win. Two, the media and their unsuspecting constituents are lazy.

    It’s no surprise that morons on the internet don’t get it. Nor is it any surprise that the mass media doesn’t get it. And sadly, it’s no surprise that the nation’s #1 sports network doesn’t get it, as a quick internet search reveals numerous factually incorrect ESPN articles from 2007, all gleefully cited by keyboard moralists, which state that taping opposing team signals was illegal. Seriously, you cover the sport and you misquote the rules? Even worse you interview coordinators and scouts that also don’t know the rules. Dolts.

    All of the haters are totally misinformed, and even most Pats fans have been so bamboozled, that they think the Pats broke meaningful rules.

    Sorry, but taping opposing defensive signals was legal from designated “video shooting locations,” and any area not one of these 3 locations: the coaches booth or the field or the locker room. BB taped from the sidelines; technically, the field is 360 feet x 160 feet, so for all you rule purists that think 2 PSI is important, the sideline or behind the endzones is legal, which is where the Jets chose to tape the Patriots. If one defines “field” as any ground level location, BB could have moved the camera back by 50 feet to the first row of the stadium and that would have been 100% acceptable by every interpretation of NFL rules. In fact, BB could have legally taped from any of 80k seats. Or he could have taped from any private box and enclosed area not occupied coaches. Or, depending on how one reads the rules, he could have taped, as he did, from anywhere as long as those tapes were not analyzed and used in that game. What BB relied on is the part of the rule that prevents real-time usage of video (device usage that “might aid a team during the playing of a game.”) He never did that.

    Signal stealing is as old as the game and taping was legal (per the Anderson memo and the 07 NFL Rulebook), so how exactly was he spying or cheating? Spying is concealed activity, which this clearly wasn’t, as the cameras were in the open and, at a minimum, known to the Colts, GB and Jets. Recall Herm Edwards waved to the camera. Further BB was only cheating if he abused the rules for advantage, ie same day use of the material , which was never alleged. Many officials of other teams were quoted as saying we do the same thing, just without video. The real question is why didn’t one of the other 31 teams call the NFL and (1) report the Patriots or (2) ask for a rule clarification about where recording devices could be located because maybe they, not BB, misread the rule. That simple question would have saved everybody a lot of hassle. They either did not care, were already taping very adequately with high def cameras located elsewhere or had already tried it and saw no value.

    To repeat, the alleged crime was the exact location of the camera. But if you think a 20 foot difference in an age of high def cameras is important and validates a charge of spying and cheating, you are stupid or desperate. BB parsed the rules to justify the camera location, in part because the rules were poorly written, and Goodell simply parsed the rules back to nail him. Hardly black and white. It is a very minor technicality of location that BB violated.

    Sadly an entire generation of media and fans now routinely refers to Spygate and cheating and fully believes that what actually happened resembles the meaning of those words.

    – In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, all teams were told that “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    – Bill Belichick turned that situation into a circus when he said he “misinterpreted the rule.” How can you say that you misinterpreted the rule when you were specifically told it wasn’t allowed? That’s breaking a rule to gain a competitive advantage, e.g., cheating.

  78. Yeah I”m sure the ball boy just took them to some other room after they were checked but prior to them being brought out on the field (as was apparently seen on film) for some other reason than to let air out of them.

    That’s why Bob uses the verbage “Definitively determine” meaning “unless you actually have film of my employee doing it then I will say it isn’t definitive”

  79. When will anyone cry about Aaron Rodgers’ statement to Phil Simms that he routinely inflates the ball over the permissible limits? He admitted to breaking this rule, and in fact is the only NFL player to have admitted such a violation! Perhaps we should call for his head too…..

  80. The comments are comical. There is no solid proof of any wrong doing yet and everyone is quick to just toss them in the fire. There was another report Ian Rapoport said that caught my attention earlier. He spoke to someone within the league that told him that Ted Wells wanted to make everyone aware to no buy completely into what you hear in the media.

    With that being said, we all just have to wait and see what the report and findings are. But, after that statement I honestly don’t know what to believe anymore

  81. This is a damn witch hunt and it’s disgraceful. It’s just pile on the Patriots time from the media. They have come across as so cynical of the Patriots during this whole process. I understand people want answers but to make wild accusations like they have is disgusting. The Patriots could easily sue dozens of people at this point for defamation of character. It could have been weather, it could have been sabotage, it could have been a million things, but to think that Belichick and/or Brady ordered someone to take air out of the footballs below the legal limit stretches the boundaries of all logic.

  82. I’m not sure he appreciates the fact that he is responsible for the conduct of the locker room attendants as well as the conduct of Belechik and Brady. If the Patriots’ locker room attendant cheated then the Patriots cheated.

  83. And did he happen to say what the penalty should be if they are found to have illegally tampered with the footballs? Thought not.

  84. Good grief. The Patriots are just daring the NFL and Goodell to drop the hammer on them. Unreal.

  85. What a joke of a story. Maybe if nfl fans raised this level of stink when their irrelevant team hires their next crappy coach (hello raider fans) or inept QB (hello Cleve, wash, nyj, buff, tenn, tb, minn, etc..), then perhaps your team could enjoy a, watch out, a playoff win once every 5-7 years…. I’ll tell you, heading to Gillette every single January for a game or two isn’t easy. Later losers.

  86. Kraft: Hi Roger, this is Robert.

    Goodell: Yes, hi Mr. Kraft.

    Kraft: Regarding this crazy investigation you are persuing, let me remind you that I stood behind you with that Ray Rice thing. I ok’d your $44 million dollar a year contract, and you do realize that you work for me. Right?

    Goodell: Yes sir.

    Kraft: Well, I am sure you will do the right thing and make this go away. Let’s get together for lunch next week. I know of a place where the lobster themidor is exceptional.

  87. Yeah I”m sure the ball boy just took them to some other room after they were checked but prior to them being brought out on the field (as was apparently seen on film) for some other reason than to let air out of them.
    ===
    Like the restroom that’s apparently located on that hallway?

  88. really the only reason they make the playoffs and get Home field advantage bis because they play in the worst division in football for decades.
    —————————————————-
    Mmmm…internet fiction is fiction.
    Not a single year cracked the top 6 -worst since 1970

    2014 NFC South 18-37-1 .330
    2008 NFC West 22-42-0 .344
    2008 AFC West 23-41-0 .359
    2013 AFC South 24-40-0.375
    2014 AFC South 21-35-0 .375
    2009 NFC West 24-40-0 .375

  89. Translation: The buck stops at BB & TB. The may not of “lied” but was responsible for the action.

    Next statement from Kraft…..”the ball boy let us down!”

  90. Belichick was already sent up the river once for cheating. When you have a record, no one is going to give your coach or organization the benefit of the doubt. Can’t believe that is so difficult for Kraft or Pats fans to understand.

  91. Would love this speech if I were a Patriots fan. They have dominated the AFC East. Dynasty if not for Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning.

  92. Kraft,
    Your team is viewed upon as cheaters and every win during YOUR GUYS(BRADY/BELICHEAT) career will always be questionable. No wonder Belicheat turned into a winner in New England after he was a failure in Cleveland. I wondered what his secret was and it was to CHEAT. CHEATER,CHEATER. The stigma shall carry on.
    Tom Brady is the biggest crybaby too.

  93. dreamicus says: Jan 26, 2015 9:23 PM

    They have 11 of 12 seriously underinflated balls, as opposed to your two. They have the fact that none of the opponent’s balls were deflated under the exact same conditions. That is not absolutely nothing. Just saying

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    You’re not paying attention little fellow…

    First, the Patriots’ footballs are now reported to be only 1 psi low, NOT even close to “seriously’ under inflated.

    Second. The Colts footballs absolutely lost pressure. Since they inflated at a greater pressure to begin the game they were not below the minimum level.

  94. @alvinxwhatever

    Made it to your second paragraph which says, Did they Cheat ? No.”

    Stopped reading for obvious reasons. Man, some of you Pat homers are annoying.

  95. bradwins says:
    Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM
    I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”
    ______________________________________
    I hate the Patriots but this post is spot on. Thank you

  96. Instead of an apology, Goodell should be made to strap on a saddle and become Kraft’s little burro for the rest of his tenure. Bob can ride him around the sidelines at Patriots games.

  97. You do not fine this organization. Money is no deterrent to cheating. You take away picks, you send them to London to play a “home” game, you give them no home prime time games. No hosting cold weather teams past Nov. 15. This guy is doubling down – “prove it.” He’s every bit as arrogant as his coach, and if you heard his support for “the greatest coach in the NFL” today, you probably threw up a little in your mouth.

  98. bradwins says:
    Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM
    I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”

    444 167

    BEST COMMENT SINCE THIS WHOLE FARCE CAME OUT: You sir, have a brain.

  99. docdhc25 says:
    Jan 26, 2015 8:53 PM
    I would expect an apology from Kraft when the report exposes them as the cheaters they are. Their reputation is well deserved as proven cheaters in the spygate scandal which I’ve never heard him apologize for.
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    Seriously? He most certainly did apologize, to the team, the NFL and the fans. He also never once denied taping from the sidelines instead of the stands. Unlike other teams’ messes, there was no attempted coverup of the videotaping of signals.

    He apologized and accepted his fine, and never once referred to the rule, which did not prohibit what he did, but actually said you couldn’t tape for use in the game. He took that to mean the game being played. The NFL meant any game.

    The whole thing was stupid anyway. The cameras were in the open, and everyone waching TV could see the defensive signals. Back then, before the defense had radios, DC used signals just like MLB third base coaches. Big deal.

    You haters need to learn the facts. People who whine about destroying the tapes and want to know what was on them, just watch a DVD of any 2007 and earlier game. You can see the defensive coordinator given signals that everyone can see. This is what was recorded.

    Haters are so ignorant.

  100. These guys’ arrogance knows no bounds.

    And the Giants are the signature franchise of the NFL. Without the Duke, the NFL isn’t the NFL. Get it right, Patriots fans.

  101. Money is no deterrent to cheating. You take away picks, you send them to London to play a “home” game, you give them no home prime time games. No hosting cold weather teams past Nov. 15.
    ===
    Only London would actually affect the NEP books negatively, and even that could be offset by increased foreign exposure. Remember: most team income in the NFL is from national TV deals. You get the money from those deals wether you’re playing in prime time games or not. Even the Redskins get an even cut of the pie.

  102. Any culture of any organization starts at the top, and Robert Kraft has proven from DAY 1 that he is not above cheating. He cheated when he tampered with the NY Jets coach (for a day) …. A Mr Bill Belichick. The Patriots were proven guilty of that form of “cheating” and paid a stiff fine and surrendered draft choices. Then Mr Kraft chose to turn a blind eye when his head coach was caught cheating….. Again they were fined and lost draft picks. So, if the top guy in the organization is ok with cheating and being dishonest that trickles down into the organization. Mr Kraft is playing the “deniable plausibility” card and trying to deflect this “deflate gate” back on the league. Mr Kraft and Mr Belichick have proven over the years that they are not to be believed. I believe Mr Brady is a byproduct of that culture and over time has come to accept cheating by viewing it as something else (e.g gaining an advantage, attention to details, etc.). No matter how hard the Patriots try the smoke and mirrors game, the bottom line is they are habitual cheaters and there legacy will show it. THAT is the “Patriot Way”

  103. Made it to your second paragraph which says, Did they Cheat ? No.”

    Stopped reading for obvious reasons. Man, some of you Pat homers are annoying.
    ==
    It’s so cute that you can’t spell “go” properly.

  104. This is something I have mentioned a couple times on here that most people haven’t even considered…. what if the Patriots actually didn’t do anything? Think of the response to this whole thing over the last week, and then consider the fact that the Patriots could very well be innocent of tampering with those balls.

    I mean several of the largest news and sports outlets have been vicious to the Patriots, openly calling for “harsh punishments”, and a few (including a front page story on CNN) even went so far to say the Patriots should be removed from the Super Bowl no questions asked. Several former players have also joined the “They did it!” bandwagon, attacking both the team and Brady over the last week. Again though, all of that has been done with no proof they actually did anything wrong.

    Granted, those responses will prove acceptable should wrong doing be found, and one could argue the Patriot’s and their recent history is largely to blame for the early over reaction. Still though, imagine if they actually didn’t do it…. a lot of people are going to have egg on their face, and the Patriots will be owed an apology by a lot of people, not just the NFL.

  105. Funny…Seems like Kraft knows more about what is going on than all the public and media.

    There are ALOT of angles here…and the word ‘sting’ is prevalent.

    I think Kraft has seen and heard enough and is ready to unleash on the NFL…And Roger, he DOES have alot of allies.

  106. Mr. Kraft, if this allegation isn’t proven you must sue a lot of people. It was a huge mistake to let John Tomase and the Boston Herald to get away with the false report about the filming of the Rams walk through. Even today hordes of ignorant people still mindlessly parrot this lie. This time apology is not enough. It’s bad for business.

  107. bradwins says:

    Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM
    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

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    Don’t forget about them bugging the visitor locker room as well….

  108. Based upon how Goodells nfl has botched this situation, Krafts response is what I would expect the owner of any team to say. Innocent until proven guilty. How is Goodell still employed?

  109. As a Vikings fan who hasn’t had much to feel optimistic about in years, I find the ball inflation subject ridiculous. What saddens me the most is the fact that sports journalism has stooped to the far reaches of mainstream media hell by over-sensationalizing any little scrap that it gets. The bottom line is that the Patriots dominated the Colts. It wouldn’t have mattered if the game was played with flat balls, no balls, snowballs, or Croquet balls…hockey pucks, skeet clays, frozen grapes, or blowup dolls…the Pats would have won every stinking time.

  110. To ‘bradwins’:
    Funny a lot of the items u bring up HAVE been a part of pats organization-
    *in 2004 playoffs versus colts, belichick clearly tries to prevent marvin harrison from getting back on field after an interception.
    *Rodney Harrison gets caught with hgh in system.
    *pats accused of intentionally leaving field uncovered to make conditions worse for a playoff game.
    *speculated that pats keep earpiece on in Brady’s ear beyond the cutoff limit.
    *ravens affected by clock problems in Foxboro in a playoff game a few years ago.
    *Willie mcginist slows down a game winning drive by the colts by faking an injury to stop clock and regain composure. Two plays later same injured player sprints off field after making game saving stop. Pats secure home field advantage in playoffs as a result of that game.
    *Aaron Hernandez on trial for murder.
    *uhh Seagate and all that goes with it.
    *deflate gate.

    Hmmmm……I don’t know…..why does everyone think the pats have an issue???

  111. Funny how many comments these patriots articles get. But everyone hates them right? / nudge right? Haha. I said days ago the nfl will owe an apology to the patriots when it’s prove. There was. I wrong doing. The damage to an excellent organization by people that hate them just putting up tweets of hearsay and the media rolling with it is amazing.

  112. All I know and care about are these things:
    1) The Patriots are in the super bowl for the 6th time in the Bb/tb era.
    2) When they’re not in the super bowl they’re likely in the AFC championship game.
    3) The Patriots are 12-13 game winners every year.
    4) I don’t give 2 turds about 1-2psi +\- in a football weather it’s Pats ball or an Oakland Raiders ball
    5) you people whinng about minutia are the pathetic door matts my team wipes its cheats on when they are in their way to #1 and #2.
    6) Go Pats!

  113. After the seahawks drop the Patriots on their heads and Goodell leaks the results of the “investigation” on first Friday of March Madness this will be another footnote of Goodells Incompetence and the Pats cheating ways.

  114. Love Kraft going all bravado, given that we already know the result of the ANALYSIS!

    The analysis is simple. The NFL is not going to pay the class action suit for all the gamblers that lost money betting against the Patriots, when they were cheating with an illegal ball?

  115. It’s reported the officials over inflate for Aaron Rodgers, so where again does the “culture of cheating in the NFL” come from??

    “Simms: You know, the officials do check those footballs and sometimes maybe even get lucky and put an extra half pound of air in there to help Aaron Rodgers out.”

    Why are the officials doing this for Rodgers?

  116. All I know and care about are these things:
    1) The Patriots are in the super bowl for the 6th time in the Bb/tb era.
    2) When they’re not in the super bowl they’re likely in the AFC championship game.
    3) The Patriots are 12-13 game winners every year.
    4) I don’t give 2 turds about 1-2psi +\- in a football weather it’s Pats ball or an Oakland Raiders ball
    5) you people whinng about minutia are the pathetic door matts my team wipes its cleats on when they are in their way to #1 and #2.
    6) Go Pats!

  117. These guys’ arrogance knows no bounds.

    And the Giants are the signature franchise of the NFL. Without the Duke, the NFL isn’t the NFL. Get it right, Patriots fans.
    ————

    Yea, real model franchise. Win SB, then go 6-10 for next 3 years. Rinse repeat.

  118. Screw you, Krafty!

    I have to say it is utterly amazing that the Patriots have been able to make this 49ers fan want to root for the Seahawks in this Super Bowl.

  119. John Mara and Robert Kraft are destroying the integrity of the NFL by being butt buddies with Roger Goodell! Pete Rozelle and Paul Tagliabue never did that with the owners!

  120. Brady and Bellichek will be remembered by all the NFL fans for why you don’t cheat, because it raises ticket prices. The NFL and Patriots are conspiring to cover up this scandal because of legal ramifications. The NFL is going to owe a LOT of money. The price of tickets goes up next year to pay for the lawyers in the class action cheating law suit.

  121. Just when I thought this story couldn’t get anymore unbelievable!!! Me and a buddy of mine had a conversation about this about a day after it happened and we have pretty much called it just as it has went. The last piece to out puzzle was the fall guy who will get paid to take blame and go away a rich man….and now the story is complete. Patriots are a joke…for me the pats and belicheat are not even relevant. they are a farce of a organization that cheated there way into history books.

  122. Nope. A 13.5 PSI ball would have stayed in regulation or close to it. Cold, it would have been around 12.5 PSI.

    ———————-

    Two important issues with this line of thinking:

    1) You have no information of any kind as to what the Colts’ balls were inflated to. You’re assuming they were pumped up to a certain PSI because you want to believe a certain thing about your team.

    2) Funny how that rogue 12th Pats ball managed to somehow evade the laws of physics and remain within spec, despite being subject to the same environmental factors. You know, one of the 12 balls that Brady personally selected for the game. Methinks the 12th ball was just in case the refs came asking for a ball to test.

  123. bradwins says: Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM

    I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.”
    ———————————
    So we’re taking who’s word on this, yours?

    We’ll never know the extent of Sypgate because the evidence was destroyed. A very telling truth. I’m sure video taping the Rams walk-through before the Super Bowl qualifies as a bit more than a technical violation.

  124. For all the Grubers weighing in on because “it doesn’t matter”.

    Tell that to all the gamblers that lost money in close Patriot games dating back to when this likely started in 2006 – when Brady lobbied for the ability to cheat.

  125. If the Pats are proven guilty, Kraft will fire Belichick immediately without thinking twice. Hernandez was gone immediately as well. Won’t help though…Franchise will go down in flames if Pats cheated. I for one will give up my season tix and throw away all my gear..

    But, I’m with Kraft, I believe all the science that was done outside the organizations by ordinary people, teachers, professors, and scientific labs. They all independently verified BB’s press conference science lesson. Thank you internet…I would never have taken Bill at face value without those independent studies.

  126. bradwins–

    You win the internet for the past decade. Thank you for putting it all into perspective.

    “May he among you without sin cast the first stone.” Can’t remember who said that, can anyone else?

    Thank you bradwins. Go Pats!

    Your post follows:

    bradwins says:
    Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM
    I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”

  127. No worries..Kraft isn’t saying this for non- Patriot fans. He is talking to the ego-centric Patriot fans that will believe anything they want to believe. Patriot fans love to think they are “above it all”.

  128. @harrisonhits2 said: “Meanwhile every single game the Pats have lost in the Belichick-Brady era they always take responsibility on themselves.”

    The irony here is that the Patriot fans have taken no responsibility in accepting that the reason many people are skeptical of them right now has a lot more to do with previous rule violations than jealousy and hatred.

    The thing I’ll never understand is this: If Patriots are so adamant that Spygate was nothing, then why don’t they hold Belichick accountable for continuing to do something that the NFL explicitly said in a memo they would no longer tolerate? I mean, you’d think they’d be pissed at him for doing it after the NFL warning, especially if it didn’t really amount to an advantage, right?

    Yet, I’ve never seen anyone here do anything but defend the guy, even though it was his act of insubordination (for no gain?) that put the microscope and skepticism on his team.

    I guess it’s just a lot easier to believe that “haters” thing. That way, no accountability is needed.

  129. NFLisnotreality says:
    Jan 26, 2015 9:44 PM
    The best apology will be when Seattle hoists the Lombardi Sunday evening…
    ========================================

    Would that be the same Seattle team that most of the people here called a bunch of roided up cheaters after last years Super Bowl?

    It seems that even the teams you hate are just the next flavor of the day.
    Sheep.

  130. Tom Hagen couldn’t get Mike an apology.

    When will “haters” be gone from the vocabulary when used in defense arguments? The moment someone uses “haters” in a discussion, you know they can’t wait for tomorrows uninformed internet rage discussion of the latest worst human beings alive.

  131. Rubbing the balls to create a 1.5 psi increase = 5 Cents

    Winning the AFC Championship game with illegal balls but it didn’t matter = $5

    Appearing that Kraft and Goodell are too close for comfort = $500

    A cover up to prevent a class action law suit against the Patriots and NFL for not dong anything = Priceless

  132. bradwins says:
    Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM
    I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”

    _______________

    You sound like a little kid who got in trouble for something and throws his brother under the bus for something they did before.

  133. Ted Wells will do a 4 month investigation, collect about $250k, turn up inconclusive evidence, walking the fine line with vauge answers, and no one will have to apologize to anyone, and swept under the rug by summer camps.

    Sherman will be proven right.

  134. i now have very new respect for the late Al Davis…and the way he fought for his team…vs. NFL.

    Mr. Kraft…has had enough, seen enough, heard enough.

    First Belichick, the Kraft…..drew lines in the sand vs. the NFL & Goodell…Neither would have done this had the deflation charges not been baseless.

    The NFL..is about parity…and the Patriots, have ruined parity for the last 15+ years…everyone wants them to fall.

    Go get Goodell,, Mr Kraft, as you are one of maybe 3 others who can bring this moron down…And is OBVIOUS, w/all this trash, the Goodell is no friend of the Patriots…

  135. McFaddensPulledHammy says:
    Jan 26, 2015 9:50 PM
    And did he happen to say what the penalty should be if they are found to have illegally tampered with the footballs?
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    I believe I’ve read (multiple times actually) It’s a $25k fine.

  136. One way or another everyone in the NFL cheats. The Pats are just better at it. I am not cheering for them next week, but I do admire what they have been able to accomplish over the last 15 years. I wish the Vikings could have done a better job cheating in the 60s.

  137. “If … ” (as in not “when”) and “quantifiably determine” … is he sure of their innocence or pleading for acquittal based on reasonable doubt? Kind of hedged it, didn’t ya.

  138. rember the scene in the Godfather where Michael Corleone is facing a senate hearing ? Robert Duvall the consigliere said ” THIS COMMITTE OWES AN APOLOGY ! “

  139. Kraft spoke publicly about the NFL leaking to the media. How can even most vitriolic Patriots hater have a problem with that statement?

  140. 1) You have no information of any kind as to what the Colts’ balls were inflated to. You’re assuming they were pumped up to a certain PSI because you want to believe a certain thing about your team.

    2) Funny how that rogue 12th Pats ball managed to somehow evade the laws of physics and remain within spec, despite being subject to the same environmental factors. You know, one of the 12 balls that Brady personally selected for the game. Methinks the 12th ball was just in case the refs came asking for a ball to test.
    ===

    You’re absolutely right that I don’t know what the initial pressure of the Colts balls was. That’s the point. No one – except the Colts – knows what their initial pressure was. It hasn’t been leaked – at all -which makes me think it wasn’t tested. My point is that the Colts balls could easily have been set at an initial pressure where they would not have fallen out of compliance.

    On your second point – the 11 of 12 low number (and 1/12 fine) is suspect*. That came out joined to the “2 PSI” low number. The latter half of that leak has been contradicted. I see no reason to assume the first half of that leak is any more valid than the second. If you want to, however, you’re free to wipe the egg off your face in a couple of weeks.

    There is a greater rebuttal about having a designated “check ball”. How do you ensure that, of all the balls on the field, at the speed of play, that ball is the ball that the officials check especially since you want to put the non-compliant balls into play? You can’t – the officials are the ones that request a ball. The officials are the ones that put the ball handle the ball to spot it. The officials are the ones that put the ball in play. If they think something is up with the ball – they remove it – as they apparently did in the first half – and fix it – as at half time.

    *Other leaks have said all balls were low by varying amounts, with the ball in the Colts possession being the lowest.

  141. You would think that at least some of the legions in the media who have been bashing the Pats would have eagerly taken up Belichick’s challenge – i.e., to repeat the simple tests they did with the footballs. He gave them a golden opportunity to shove it right back in his face by repeating those tests and coming up with results that put the lie to him. So far we have heard nothing but crickets. Why is that? Do you really believe that none in the media inflated some footballs indoors and then checked the pressure at colder temperatures outside? Of course they did. The fact that they are not reporting those results speaks volumes: their findings are consistent with Belichick’s. So all that you continue to hear from them – as well as from anti-Pats on blogs such as this – are the usual trite “we can’t prove it but we know he cheated” type statements. Shame on them – I was counting on them to come up with the facts to prove Belichick wrong but as each day goes by without anyone doing that, it’s looking more like Belichick’s side of the story will hold up.

  142. alvinxrushinique says:
    Jan 26, 2015 9:43 PM

    – In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, all teams were told that “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    – Bill Belichick turned that situation into a circus when he said he “misinterpreted the rule.” How can you say that you misinterpreted the rule when you were specifically told it wasn’t allowed? That’s breaking a rule to gain a competitive advantage, e.g., cheating.
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    Thanks for the civilized reply.

    The problem is you are relying on Anderson’s memo which is poorly written, especially the last section you quote, which seems to imply that even all22 filming would be illegal. The Anderson memo was a rough approximation of the rule, but not a good one. No surprise – its the NFL ! Also the rule itself is poorly written, but it is still the rule and can only be changed by a vote. Thus the rule not Anderson’s memo is the guide here.

    Clearly BB could legally tape but he may have been brazen in his interpretion on location. Keep in mind the conflicting pieces of the rule seem only to restrict taping that “aids a team during the playing of a game.”

    Nevertheless, no one has argued that his location created some advantage or was cheating. If the camera had been moved back to the first row of seats, maybe 20 feet ?, it would have been legal. For 20 feet, they lost a #1 draft pick.

  143. The trolls are out in full force tonight. Their tears that will flow if the Patriots win next Sunday will be so sweet.

  144. bchap17 said: So we’re taking who’s word on this, yours?

    We’ll never know the extent of Sypgate because the evidence was destroyed. A very telling truth. I’m sure video taping the Rams walk-through before the Super Bowl qualifies as a bit more than a technical violation.

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    Boston Herald broke the Rams story but then retracted and apologized. NFL investigated and said that it was impossible for taping to have occurred. Personnel from Pats communications office were there setting up camera angles for their video taping on game day. Security footage and other evidence showed that no taping was done other evidence showed that the cameras had no batteries or extension cords. And the Pats personnel were wearing Patriots gear – i.e., they were hiding nothing. So bogus to bring that up.

  145. Robert, sue the investigators and people reporting on this story. This is just a bunch of jealous, envious people trying to bring the patriots down because their teams sk. No one talks about all the PED suspensions by the seahawks, or the 2004 panthers PED scandal, or how eli and rodgers want their balls overinflated. Niners and Broncos to name a few getting caught and punished for circumventing salary cap. In all of these instances there is a more of a competitive advantage than underinflating a football by 1 psi.

  146. rukkus1 says:
    Jan 26, 2015 10:36 PM

    You sound like a little kid who got in trouble for something and throws his brother under the bus for something they did before.

    —————-

    Why? I’m not arguing that the Patriots shouldn’t be disciplined for breaking a rule, if it is proven that is what they did. I’m only asking why there is a double standard and why this particular franchise is targeted when others’ indiscretions are seemingly forgiven or forgotten. I’d just like to see the same standard applied to everyone.

  147. If the Wells investigation is able to definitely determine that the Patriots tampered with the air pressure in the footballs, I would expect and hope that the league would ban the esteemed Mr. Kraft from football for life.

  148. Mr. Kraft should just keep quiet until this is completed. What’s he going to say or do if found complicit in this? Fire Bill, trade Brady? No. So say nothing other than support for a fair investigation.

  149. The pats are the hot girl everybody is jealous of. She has fake boobs, she has extensions… Bla bla bla. No, she is just naturally better looking and people can’t take it. They hate us because they ain’t us. Sunday at 10 EST all you haters are going to be MAD BRO.

  150. OH THEY DID IT ALRIGHT, EVEN IF THEY DIDN’T HAPPEN TO CATCH IT ON FILM, IM SURE THE PATRIOTS KNOW WHERE ALL THE CAMERAS ARE!

  151. Maybe Kraft and O.J. can team together and find the real culprits. At his next presser Kraft can get up and say (a la Johnnie Cochran) if on its own it loses air, using deflated balls is fair.

  152. Ha ha ha. R u kidding me? The ball boy did this on his own accord? Wonder how much he is paid to take the fall… Ineligible is clever trick. This is past that. I hope Seahawks kick their okoles and Belicheck and Brady get one year suspensions. What’s worse, is they don’t need to cheat. Bad for the game

    Dave in Hawaii

  153. Aloha,

    Reminds me when my then teenage sone said…. Dad, the cruise control on the VR-4 isn’t working, after he was clocked at 130 mph. This tarnishes the genius of Bill and Toms ability. They need to be suspended for the good of the game

    Dave in Hawaii

  154. “We expect hard facts as opposed to circumstantial leaked evidence to drive the conclusion of this investigation.” -Kraft

    So did Ray Rice. So did the Saints in the so-called bounty investigation. So did every player who has ever been unilaterally fined for a bogus reason. So does the NFLPA when the league does something against the CBA.

    Look Mr. Kraft, nobody wants to hear you pontificate. You put a politician in charge of your league, and now you act like a crybaby when it’s your team. You and your merry band of misfit owners can easily solve most of your PR problems with one pink slip, yet you refuse to do it. So, fire the inmate that you are allowing to run the asylum, or shut up. You don’t get to have it both ways.

  155. “Accountability” is what it’s called Mr. Kraft and nobody in your organization seem to understand what that is, you see no matter what comes of the investigation it’s not going to change the underlying fact that the pats played the 1st half of the AFC Championship game with footballs not within league regulation ( whether unintentional or intentional that FACT does not change). But instead holding yourselves “ACCOUNTABLE” for failing the inspection and breaking the 11th commandment (thou shalt not get CAUGHT) you instead go on this(now in its 2nd week) charade about not knowing anything, playing dumb well we don’t know what happened and such. But then the biggest mistake of this whole thing was made when Tom turned around and broke the 12 commandment( thou shalt not lie after being CAUGHT) and sparked a scandal. IT’S A 25,000 FINE IN THE RULEBOOK, that’s it, that’s not even a moving violation that’s a parking ticket for Tom Brady so why not just take the hit instead of lying? How do we know Tom’s lying? Because it was Tom along with Peyton who petitioned the league for the rule change that’s how. Because he’s one the greatest QB’s of this generation and wants us to believe he couldn’t tell that his balls where a little light in the first half sunday. You see no ACCOUNTABILITY, if your not a guilty Tom then why are you acting like you are. If it was just a innocent mistake and it won’t happen again(sarcasm) why not just pay the fine and move on, It’s just plain ole stupid not to, almost as stupid as playing with a unregulated ball in a CHAMPIONSHIP game against a team the whole football viewing world knew your team would dominate. Nobody has been held ACCOUNTABLE nor does any of the parties involved want to take ACCOUNTABILITY is the reason this story lingers Mr Kraft, anyone with half a brain knows Mr Wells wasn’t brought in not dig for but throw dirt over the truth, so don’t sit up there on your high horse waiting for any apology cause that’s not happening, nobody owes the Patriots/BB/TB an apology for constantly pushing the rules to gain an edge and getting CAUGHT once again.

  156. The punishment is irrelevant at this point. Brady and Belichick should’ve been suspended for the Super Bowl.

    Win or lose, they’ll always be know as cheaters. You can’t talk about Barry Bonds without mentioning steroids, as great as he was. The same thing will happen when you talk about the Brady/Belichick Patriots.

  157. Why? I’m not arguing that the Patriots shouldn’t be disciplined for breaking a rule, if it is proven that is what they did. I’m only asking why there is a double standard and why this particular franchise is targeted when others’ indiscretions are seemingly forgiven or forgotten. I’d just like to see the same standard applied to everyone.
    *********************************************************

    Your franchise could learn a little something from ray rice ironically, you see he actually stood up and took his like man should and held himself accountable for his mistakes immediately none of this shifting blame and finger pointing we see from the patriots

  158. bradwins says:Jan 26, 2015 11:14 PM

    Why? I’m not arguing that the Patriots shouldn’t be disciplined for breaking a rule, if it is proven that is what they did. I’m only asking why there is a double standard and why this particular franchise is targeted when others’ indiscretions are seemingly forgiven or forgotten. I’d just like to see the same standard applied to everyone.

    .

    fair enough. That’s where the NFL is lacking most I’m too. Being equal in their punishments.

    Most of your analogies were on point too. However, Seattle was not necessarily the PED capital of the league. (Back in 2012?) Some of those players were punished after coming from other organizations. There were other teams with just as many or within 1 player to having as many as Seattle.

    Can’t really argue most of that other stuff.

  159. Kraft claimed he wrote his speech while on the plane to Arizona. He has a real talent and could get work at any of the PR firms that corporations hire when they have an image problem,

  160. Tampering has been proven. It’s a fact that the balls were under inflated after being checked out by officials.

    No one can ever convince me that Brady didn’t know the balls were under inflated. Tiger Woods took 2 identical drivers and told the club makers that the weight on one of them was heavier. And he was right, it was heavier within the margin of error. And you’re gonna tell me Brady couldn’t tell that the balls were under inflated by nearly 20%?

    Are you really gonna try to convince me that a linebacker could tell the difference, but Brady, who handles the ball on every offensive snap, could not tell the difference?

    We are all smarter than that.

  161. bradwins says:Jan 26, 2015 8:55 PM

    I have a question about the Patriots’ so-called “culture of cheating” that I would love an answer to from any other fans or media member:

    To date, the Patriots were caught breaking one rule in their history, and that was a technical violation regarding WHERE teams are permitted to film from. That is it. That is the extent of the their “cheating.” So why does that qualify as a culture of cheating?

    Why don’t the Broncos have a culture of cheating because of their salary cap violations that helped them win two super bowls?

    Why don’t the Jets or Steelers have a culture of cheating because of their coaches and players on the sideline intentionally interfering with play on the field?

    Why don’t the Seahawks have a culture of cheating based on the seemingly systemic program of PED use by their franchise, or because their coach was chased out of college football for cheating?

    Why don’t the Browns have a culture of cheating for illegally communicating with the sideline during games?

    Why don’t the Saints have a culture of cheating for illegally setting up a bounty system?

    Why don’t the Colts have a culture of cheating for illegally piping in crowd noise while the opposing team is on offense?

    Why don’t the Lions have a culture of cheating for repeatedly trying to injure opposing players while they are laying on the ground after plays?

    Why don’t the Ravens have a culture of CRIME after harboring and covering up for a murderer, a drug trafficker and a wife beater?

    Why do only the Patriots have a “culture of cheating?”
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    As much as I hate the Patriots, I have to admit bradwins has a point….

  162. Wait, wasn’t it all of the Pats fans that said the Colts (and everyone who ever said anything bad about the Pats) were whiners?

    Geesh, doesn’t get much more whiney than this…although, watching Brady play a football game, he’s probably the biggest whiner to ever play football….

  163. Kraft owes the rest of us an apology for contributing to the destruction of the reputation of the NFL.

  164. I would like an apology from the nfl for the product they put out on the field every Sunday and Monday..and Thursday.

  165. Is this a joke? No. It’s what billionaires do. Throw blame elsewhere so it doesn’t stick to you. The NFL hasn’t even talked to Brady. And even if they can’t prove that Belichick or Brady had the balls deflated, the fact remains that it happened. And the officials nor did the Colts do it.

    So, in short…up yours Kraft.

  166. It’s over cheater, you’ve been caught red handed again and your 3 fake championships have been erased from the minds of football fans with any common sense.

  167. Patriots haters, and I know you are many;

    Just checking in. With just a few more days until the big game, and with ‘The Strange Case of the Deflated Balls’ filling the headlines, I just wanted to check with you to make sure our arrangement is still the same for our annual end of the season get-together:

    We’ll bring the cheese, you bring the whine.

    OMT – I’ve asked you before and you always ignore me but anyway – wear some clothing indicating what team you root for.

    See you then

  168. Is anybody else tired of hearing about this yet? If anybody deserves an apology, it is the fans for having to hear all of this endless drivel about how the NFL prepares game balls.

  169. That old bat Kraft can stick it. He admitted to cheating a few years ago and now he just expects people to believe him? Brady came off like the biggest lying loser of all time. Bellacheat is 100% scum, & the Patriot have used the rules in their favor for years and everybody east of Pittsburgh hates the team for what Brady has done in his whining about not letting QB’s get hit.

  170. “That old bat Kraft can stick it. He admitted to cheating a few years ago and now he just expects people to believe him?”

    ——————

    Yes, because when he learned from his coach what his coach was in fact doing, he acknowledged fault.

    You give Steeler fans a bad name.

  171. The Seahawks can win this game by 50 points. No OBJECTIVE person will feel the Patriots had a fair and equal opportunity to prepare for this football game.

  172. I do not understand how a organization who has been caught cheating as often as the Patriots can still act so arrogant. amazing. Hopefully Seattle can humble the Patriots.

  173. Roger Goodell just lost a reliable ally in the fight to save his $44 million dollar job.
    _________________________________

    Oh really. Is there something you know that no one else does?

  174. “Bill Belichick has to wonder how much more Bob Kraft can take.”

    — Ron Borges, serial plagiarist

  175. With this guys mug starting to always be on TV along with Jerrah Jones, this may be a good reason to stop watching the NFL. Kraft has really become an irritant.

  176. Tactical error. The NFL has a right and obligation to investigate any potential violation. As much as they have mishandled this, they have never publically accused the Patriots. The media has. Public opinion has. Now, if they do find evidence, you have no support.

  177. What a moron.

    I’m wondering why he didn’t tell the league:…

    “And if I don’t get my apology, I’m taking my (deflated) ball and going home!”

  178. Say what you will about Bob Kraft, but he built his stadium without bilking the taxpayers for it and he hasn’t resorted to PSL’s.

    Hmmm… seems to me that Kraft may be a helluva lot more ethical than most of the owners in this league that see the taxpayers as nothing more than their personal pocketbook for new stadiums.

  179. Bob has a lot of nerve to act like such a “poor little old me”. You are not a martyr Bob and neither are the patriots. The players have made one hell of a team, but you all are still very disliked. Somehow making yourselves look like victims angers me more than the actual air in the balls BS. This will most likely be my last year watching the NFL. It’s a crap league with a terrible structure. This league is the only league where there is so much doubt as to whether there is a level playing field for all teams. That, coupled with terrible calls/refereeing, and owners being WAY too friendly with Goodell makes me sick and tired of this league.

  180. The problem Mr Kraft is when you (or your team) have a history of being dishonest then you are a usually assumed guilty, even before the facts are known. Perhaps you should apologize to fans of the NFL for being so bent on winning that the rules apply only to everyone else

  181. bobbyinlondon says:
    Jan 27, 2015 5:19 AM
    Bradwin: a “technicality from where they can film from”? They’re NOT SUPPOSED TO FILM THE OPPOSITION SIGNALS FROM ANYWHERE.

    ————————

    Common misconception, but no. You are permitted to film the opposition’s signals, you just can’t film anything from field level. I think people not understanding the rule is a big part of why they thing spygate was a much bigger deal than it actually was.

  182. Sounds a lot like Alice in Wonderland:
    ‘Are they in the prisoner’s handwriting?’ asked another of the jurymen.
    ‘No, they’re not,’ said the White Rabbit, ‘and that’s the queerest thing about it.’ (The jury all looked puzzled.)
    ‘He must have imitated somebody else’s hand,’ said the King. (The jury all brightened up again.)
    ‘Please your Majesty,’ said the Knave, ‘I didn’t write it, and they can’t prove I did: there’s no name signed at the end.’
    ‘If you didn’t sign it,’ said the King, ‘that only makes the matter worse. You must have meant some mischief, or else you’d have signed your name like an honest man.’
    There was a general clapping of hands at this: it was the first really clever thing the King had said that day.
    ‘That proves his guilt,’ said the Queen…………..

  183. Also from Alice:
    ‘Let the jury consider their verdict,’ the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.
    ‘No, no!’ said the Queen. ‘Sentence first — verdict afterwards.’
    ‘Stuff and nonsense!’ said Alice loudly. ‘The idea of having the sentence first!’
    ‘Hold your tongue!’ said the Queen, turning purple.
    ‘I won’t!’ said Alice.
    ‘Off with her head!’ the Queen shouted at the top of her voice.

  184. Hey Krafty the only ones that deserve an apology is the fans of the NFL. For the 3 Lombardi trophies and numerous wins your classless, tainted, cheating organization has stolen thru cheating and deception***

  185. Robert Graft trying hard to re-set the bar for punishment here. Hoping to get mindless fans and media members to treat this as a “beyond a reasonable doubt case”, when in fact the league manual states that “a preponderance of evidence” standard applies to cases involving the integrity of the game. Please fans and media don’t get fooled by Graft. The league already has the preponderance of evidence, 11 deflated balls. At this point, it’s on the pats to prove there was some innocent reason why that occurred.

  186. YOU HATERS ARE FUNNY ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO PIN ON A REAL WINNER YOU TEAM SUCKS SO BAD IT NEVER CHEATS? LOL YEAH RIGHT STOP WHINING THE PATS ARE THE BEST IN THE GAME AND YOU DONT LIKE IT GROW UP

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