It’s easy to quickly deflate a football

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As the news regarding #DeflateGate has slowed to an enlarged-prostate trickle (for now), the biggest remaining questions are:  (1) what did that Patriots employee do with a bag of footballs in 90 seconds behind a closed door?; and (2) is 90 seconds enough time to let air out of nearly a dozen footballs?

Barring a deathbed (or sooner) confession, we’ll never know the answer to the first question.  As to the second question, plenty of folks have been experimenting with footballs and needles.

On Tuesday’s PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, for example, I inserted a needle for a few seconds into a ball that had been inflated to 13.5 PSI.  A loud hiss emerged, and when the needle was removed it was easier to squeeze the ball.  It became clear to me then that, if someone wanted to deflate 10-12 balls in 90 seconds, it would indeed be possible.

Gersh Kuntzman of the New York Daily News performed a more organized test, taking 12 balls that had been inflated to 13 PSI and removed two PSI in a total of 40 seconds.  Adding in the time necessary to open the bag and to access the balls and to enter and exit the bathroom, the exercise took 77 seconds.

Kuntzman isn’t the only one who has done it.  One highly-placed official with an NFL team “took the top off” a dozen balls in a mere 56 seconds.

“Next time I’m gonna pee as well,” the source said.

439 responses to “It’s easy to quickly deflate a football

  1. I think we will get the answer to #1 when criminal charges are dangled in front of various people….

  2. A lot easier than deflating an argument.

    Good grief, I am a Seahawks fan but get off the Pats about PSI in a football. Brady got an unfair advantage? he must have been enjoying it for the last 14 years o so it would seem.

    The Pats have been a dynasty. all dynasties have haters.

  3. Except everyone doing these experiments now is “racing” to get it done as fast as possible, whereas the ball boy would have no reason to do that. Anything is possible, I guess, but this really seems like grasping.

    Taking a step back, how absolutely silly is it that this is what we are talking about? Even assuming the worst possible explanation, does it really even matter?

  4. Tom Brady isn’t a liar. If the NFL had their procedures in place this would have never happened. Goodall must go for the sake of the game.

  5. Commissioner is an extra lawyer with his best friend on trial. All evidence will be circumstantial without conclusive proof of malcontent. Not guilty from lack of evidence. The shield is tarnished, we need a new commissioner

  6. Can we see footage of this ball handling procedure for previous games? Does this same employee always enter this bathroom on the way out to the field with the balls?

  7. @wizardofgronk – because the fully inflated ball is for the kicker. This has already been established. You can kick a hard ball farther than a deflated one.

  8. more of this garbage ..Brady played half of last season with a torn ligament in his throwing hand and you expect us to believe that he needs to deflate the ball to be effective ..enough already, it’s embarrassing

  9. Whatever was done in that bathroom, for the good of society as a whole, let’s just hope he washed his hands and we can just finally stop beating this dead horse.

  10. the media has become a mockery, has anyone even thought that about the possibility of error and deflating the balls to much?? that would almost guarantee the pats being caught. I stands to reason that the ball attendant would also have had a pump in the event of a screw up

    its funny how many media groups tested the time to deflate the balls but none have tested air pressure lost against temp, for that they leave it in the scientists hands

    ths is a joke, the nfl is a joke, roger goodell is whatever is below a joke, the media is a laughable joke, and everyone and their mother is trying to cling to reasons on how the pats did it without any legit sources trying to explain how the pats didn’t do it. without finding the slightest proof roger goodell will lose his job and he knows this, he is desperate for proof or his salary gooes poof

  11. If the reports are true, it looks like a lot of circumstantial evidence is piling up; so, it doesn’t matter if every single person on the Patriots sideline denies anything happened, there is enough to convince a rational person that the balls were tampered with to gain an advantage over the opponents.

  12. It would be so easy to do for anyone who has regular access to the footballs. I don’t know why patriots fans are demanding the ” proof” anyway. You were in possession of the footballs its your responsibility to maintain their integrity.
    What did Brady say when he was asked about the trick formations “the ravens should know the rules” . Its the patriots responsibility to know the rules.

  13. If this much effort went into solving a few of the world’s bigger issues like hunger and poverty, maybe something would actually get accomplished. Instead everyone is sitting around sticking needles in balls, and I’m dumb enough to waste my time commenting on it…

  14. I don’t, maybe in his 90 second rush he missed a ball. Let me see how organized someone can open a bag and deflate 12 balls and possibly miss one.

    Bottom line:
    1. Balls were tested by an official.
    2. Balls were taken from officials by Patriots employee.
    3. Employee goes into bathroom with the balls.
    4. Balls tested at halftime were under-inflated, but other teams balls were properly inflated.
    5. Also Brady likes under-inflated balls.

  15. I got to hand it to Roger Goodell and the NFL. Everyone is talking about and asking about #DeflateGate as well as Marshawn Lynch’s “I hate the media” act in the biggest week of the year for the league. In the meantime no one is talking about or asking about Ray Rice, Adrian Petersen, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, and the leagues ineptitude in dealing with those situations as well as the wishy-washy new personal conduct policy. Brilliant.

  16. The blind spot of all these impromptu examples are they are not precise at all. Are we to believe they just took a random amount out? Not to mention the variable with the bag if it was open and how, which is simply info we don’t have.

  17. Has anyone considered the idea that the footballs were submitted to the refs under-inflated and the refs didn’t catch it? And that maybe this has been going on for years? The reports say the footballs were “checked” by officials but still no word as to how they were checked.

    There’s no punishment for submitting them under or over-inflated (like Aaron Rodgers has said he does). Why not give it a shot and see what happens? Worst case scenario is the refs bring the PSI to the acceptable range and everyone moves on.

    I guess it’s more fun for people to think something more nefarious went on than to consider this valid scenario.

  18. Man really we are doing tests now ? What if he just went to bathroom.. If the league ask him why he took the balls in to the bathroom. He should just reply with “Do you guys rather want me to leave the balls outside unattended?” obviously not

  19. Like anyone with a brain couldn’t figure that out?

    YOU BEEN BUSTED New England!

    Can’t wait to see what ridiculous lies the Patriots try to spew as the media destroys them this week.

  20. lmao yeah i’m sure a guy who has no idea people are even watching him rushes into bathrooms just to deflate balls 1 psi and rushes to do it double dare style. He probably thought nothing of using the bathroom because in 999 out of 1000 games no one even pays that much attention to the ball. usually people go into bathrooms to use the bathroom. the guy probably has to be on the field for 4 hours and wanted to take care of business before going out, he wasnt going to just leave the balls unattended sitting outside the bathroom.

  21. The funny part about this:
    When patriots said there was an experiment and results to prove the balls lost pressure because the rubbing and the weather the haters said “we dont need that.
    Now they are making experiments with footballs and needles to prove a man deflated 11 balls and washed his hands in 90 secconds hahaha

  22. Robert Graft would love for everyone to believe the league must prove “beyond a shadow of a doubt” that the Patriots are guilty. But the league policy manual states otherwise, saying “a preponderance of evidence” standard applies to cases involving the integrity of the sport. And the league has that, 11 deflated balls. The NFL should have already buried the Pats based on the known evidence. It’s a joke that Greedell has not punished them already, and it’s disgusting they did not respond to Kraft’s attempts to bully the league office and re-set the bar for punishment in this case. Getting very tough to be a fan of the NFL.

  23. Just drop it already, spewing the same crap over and over. Let’s just watch the superbowl, this is much less relevant / interesting than talking about the Patriots / Seahawks.

  24. Of course it’s easy, especially for someone who’s been doing it for a while.

    It’s really a shame the Patriots weren’t caught earlier. No question they would have lost to the Ravens if they hadn’t been cheating.

  25. Are the Pats really that good? They have obviously have won high pressure (no pun intended) games over the years, but they are also the only team in the league that gets 3-5 lay up wins EVERY year in the AFC East. I’m a Jets fan, and I think the point of all the defated balls thing is not so much any edge they got, but that it’s a written rule that was broken. I do love the crap they have been getting for this whole thing!!!

  26. “he must have been enjoying it for the last 14 years o so it would seem.”

    You make the whole point. Belichick is a habitual cheater that won’t quit even when caught more than once. It has been going on for the last 14 years or so.

  27. Unless all previous wins are taken away and/or Brady is kicked out of the NFL…….so what?

    Fines are a joke.

    The Saints didn’t do anything that other teams didn’t do either.

  28. Maybe they did deflate them, maybe they didn’t. If nobody talks there is nothing to confirm it.

    It will come down to Kraft saying the NFL better have proof or have an apology, and Goodell deciding if he wants to keep his job or enforce at the lower standard of evidence.

    Right now, behind closed doors, 32 owners are contemplating how they want Roger to handle this, while looking for the majority vote. Kraft, Jones and Mara will get the majority they need to blow this thing up.

  29. I think the deflation test is hooey. 12 balls in 90 seconds because the ball tester knew there was a camera on the door and he had to hurry.

    It would make more sense to find an area where there are no cameras, and so have no visual evidence that you were ever alone with the balls.

    I guess it’s possible that there was no other area (doubtful) or that he had a bag of footballs hidden in the bathroom, so all he did was switch footballs.

    All this cloak and dagger just because someone had to take a pee.

  30. As a QB, would you want to play with footballs that had been deflated quickly like that? Wouldn’t you be worried that some would be deflated more than others? I think I’d rather have the properly inflated footballs. Given how much time a QB puts into preparation during the week and attention to details, asking a ball boy to secretly deflate 12 (or 11) footballs as quickly as possible seems pretty haphazard. I’d want those footballs double or triple checked to ensure they were the psi I wanted. And no, I’m not a Pats fan or a Seattle hater.

  31. So all the Pats fans that defended the ballboy by saying you could only deflate a ball or 2 in 90 seconds were wrong? Boy I am shocked. My only question is after the NFL punishes him, will he be fired for missing a ball?

  32. I think we will get the answer to #1 when criminal charges are dangled in front of various people….
    _______________________
    Criminal charges? Its a deflated football, that’s not a crime

  33. So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???
    ——————————————————

    Mort’s first reported said that the halftime tests showed that all 12 were deflated lower than the pregame “test”, but only 11 were below the legal limit.

    I’m sick of this topic… just can’t wait for the game…

    But, I do have one question that no one has really answered. Let’s say Tom Brady had absolutely nothing to do with this… which I think is always a possibility… here’s a man that’s been playing QB the majority of his life, where the ball is his livelihood… how was he NOT able to tell that the pressure was lower than normal? I would think that an NFL QB would be able to tell if a ball was +/- 2% of his ideal pressure.

    Kind of like a baseball player that knows his bat is off by 1/3 of an ounce…

    Just sayin’

  34. How about the actually relevant test of whether PSI is lowered when a ball is brought to lower temperatures? How about testing whether PSI is artificially raised due to the scrubbing treatment of the ball?

    Media have reported zero of the tests that show what happens and that support the Patriots, yet every single media member out there is willing to do and report on this pointless 90 second test.

  35. Serious question: I heard that the only ball that was under 11 psi was the one that the Colts intercepted and took to their sideline. Is that true? Also, is it true that the Colts’ footballs were checked at halftime too?
    Thanks

  36. That’s funny every time the Pats and their fans come up with a theory like its impossible to let the air out of 11 footballs … it’s proven wrong.

    What the media should be asking … where was the penalty against the Pats in the game,

  37. I am getting annoyed by the Deflategate articles as well, but regardless of what your stance is on this whole mess, I think it actually IS important to note that you can easily deflate 11 balls in 90 seconds. Nothing will come of any of this any way, but it’s noteworthy.

  38. It’s a pretty easy case. If it was caused by the weather, why didn’t the Colts balls deflate?
    The only question I have is why? The Patriots are a great football team. Why cheat, especially something a trivial as this.

  39. Your test does not answer your two questions. It’s still all speculation. If the balls were deflated, they were in all probability deflated _before_ the Pats handed them to the refs to be checked and the refs, pardon the pun, dropped the ball. NFL can’t (or won’t) admit to that, and in fact they probably instructed the refs to give the balls a pass on purpose so they could “expose” the Pats later. I think both Kraft and Irsay have a beef with the league at this point. For the good of everyone, let’s hope Goodell becomes collateral damage in all of this. Worst league commissioner in the history of professional sport.

  40. This is it. Pats are going down. One year suspensions for Brady, Belichick and Kraft. NFL must follow the precedent from Bountygate, or all credibility will be lost and the lawsuits will fly.

  41. NFL has reached out to Columbia University physics for help with gas physics. Seems like an odd thing for the league to do if they plan on pinpointing this lunacy on a ballboy taking a pee for a minute and a half.

  42. Ok several steps are omitted in the above experiment.

    1. Lock a door

    2. Open bag, make sure none fall out and one by one grab a ball, twirl it to find the valve.

    3. Make sure you only deflate a specific amount. I saw a test on you tube, this took some effort; a lot of pulling out the needle and pushing back in little by little. Thats a lot of effort just for 1 ball let alone another 10 or 11. This would require taking your time since if you accidentially over deflate where it is obvious you’re in trouble since there is no air compressor in the bathroom. Thats a lot of risk!

    4. Drop the ball back in the bag, hope it doesn’t bounce and miss which takes another few seconds to grab it and put it in the bag.

    5. Zip up bag and throw over shoulder.

    6. Unlock door.

    I just don’t see it as being reasonable to assume he deflated balls. I do however see it being more than reasonable that he simply had to pee before spending 2 hrs on the field.

    My over all conclusion; if this is all the evidence then the NFL needs to go a head and clear the Patriots & apologize so we can all enjoy the Super Bowl with out this nonsense lingering in the back of our minds.

  43. I just ran a test today where I took a bunch of my files at work into the bathroom with me. Let’s just say at least 2 people gave me the fish eye!!

  44. “So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???”

    Well, they all look a like and he was rushing I’m sure. He probably didn’t remove them from the bag either. Easy oversite. Kind of a dumb question really…..no offense.

  45. Guy takes a pee, becomes the center of an overblown investigation.

    I’m glad his name hasn’t been released at the very least

  46. I can’t wait for the scientific proof to come out and they find that temperature changes consistently causes the PSI to drop. Nobody ever thought about PSI during a game so the issue never came up.

  47. between this and lynch’s hat fine, the NFL has ruined its brand. rodger must go as he is ruining the league by micromanaging it and doing a terrible job of doing so.

  48. I feel like the fact that the employee did not know he was being watched should come into play. If he thought he had all the time in the world he would’ve taken extra time to make sure it was done correctly to all of the footballs. He wouldn’t have rushed to get in and out in 90 seconds because he would’ve thought he had plenty of time.

  49. So far, none of the conspiracy theorist have suggested there was a second bag of balls waiting in the Assy Knoll. That would be even easier than deflating the balls.

  50. Here is a simple idea that will end this story line…have the NFL keep all the balls with the refs until game time. End of story.

    If you are taking the SAT test they don’t give it to you 2 hours early?

  51. problem with New England is that other teams have complained about the deflated balls before the Colts game. So the weather isnt an issue.

    Also this ballboy probably has the same routine for every New England game.

  52. Remember at Brady’s first presser after the news broke? He said you can’t tell a difference, then, a few minutes later, said he prefers 12.5.

    Why have a preference if you can’t tell?

  53. Just as the league does need to prove a player intentionally took PEDs, the league does not need to prove exactly how these balls were deflated. A team playing with deflated footballs is the violation, just as failing a drug test is the violation. It’s nonsense that league has not already punished the pats.

  54. Love this. The Hoodie has reporters in bathrooms trying to pee and deflate balls within 90 seconds. I kind of understand why the press hates the Hoodie so much…..

  55. I don’t know if he did it. But based on posts here I am convinced that even if Tommy admitted he ordered it, Pats Fans would claim he was justified because of something.

  56. does anyone doubt that brady and belicheck could have been doing this for EVERY GAME. Why take a risk in a big AFC championship game if it’s not something you’ve done all year and previously?

  57. A lot easier than deflating an argument.

    Good grief, I am a Seahawks fan but get off the Pats about PSI in a football. Brady got an unfair advantage? he must have been enjoying it for the last 14 years o so it would seem.
    *************************
    No the pats have been doing it since 2007 right after Tom Brady lobbied for the right to be able to use their own footballs. Take a look at the article on sharpfootballanalysis regarding how fumble proof the Pats have become since them versus the rest of the league and opponents in foxboro.

  58. “I can’t wait for the scientific proof to come out and they find that temperature changes consistently causes the PSI to drop. Nobody ever thought about PSI during a game so the issue never came up.”

    Good lord!! When are you people going to use your head and understand that the Colts balls didn’t change!! WEATHER WAS NOT A FACTOR!!!!!

  59. While everyone is jumping to “they cheated!” conclusions, I have one simple question:

    Why hasn’t the NFL specifically stated what the exact pressures were of the Patriots AND Colts balls tested at halftime????

    We know that New England’s balls tested at the minimum 12.5 PSI before the game, and the Colts tested at 13.5.

    And we know that at halftime, the Patriots tested BELOW 12.5, while the Colts tested ABOVE 12.5…….. but what were the EXACT NUMBERS, and wouldn’t they show that the Colts balls fell by the same approximate amount as the patriots balls?????

    Cold, wet weather makes footballs lose air pressure, that is a FACT, so BOTH teams footballs should have lost about the same amount. In fact, if the Colts footballs tested at halftime to the same pre-game level, I’d be looking at THEM for cheating by re-inflating their footballs.

    So, NFL, what WERE those balls tested at, at halftime, and why haven’t you told us that yet?????

  60. This is what this sounds like:

    Investgator: What did you do with the balls in the bathroom during those 90 seconds?

    Guy with (foot)Balls: I put them on the floor and went to the bathroom.

    I: NO YOU DIDN’T! You took air out of those balls. We know. We did our own tests and it can be done. Therefore, obviously, you DID IT! HA! Caught red-handed!

    Gw(f)B: uh, maybe you should lay off the coffee a bit, man.

  61. This is all so funny.

    Pats had under inflated balls.

    Other teams have complained the Pats were under inflating balls; hence the sting.

    After ref testing a Pats bboy took them into a bathroom.

    Under inflated balls are easier to catch and not fumble.

    Shady likes underinflated balls.

    Once NE was given control of their balls their fumble rate immediately dropped by 40%.

    The balls could easily have been deflated in the time he was in the bathroom.

    Pats have a documented history of cheating.

    And after all this, Pats fans say it’s ridiculous anyone would think this other than an elaborate web of coincidence.

  62. Pats’ fans are priceless!

    They paid attention to and accepted every test the explained the mysterious drop of 2 psi due the weather conditions.

    Now, when people say and prove they can deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds, these tests are deemed invalid and the attendant simply went to take whiz.

    I would have to have a damn good reason the take 24 footballs in a bathroom with me, and it ain’t to pee!

  63. problem with New England is that other teams have complained about the deflated balls before the Colts game. So the weather isnt an issue.

    link?

  64. The refs handle the ball in an NFL game more than any one player does…it seems that people are forgetting this point. Why are we making a big deal out of this if none of the refs noticed during the course of the game?

    Additionally, the whole case against Brady is that QB’s have incentive to deflate/inflate to their exact specifications because they can feel any small difference in the ball. If that’s the case, how come only 11 out of 12 were deflated? How come they were deflated by differing amounts? This doesn’t make any sense. If a QB needs the ball an exact way, why would a ball boy rush through 11/12 balls in only 90 seconds? Wouldn’t he take more time to ensure accuracy?

    This is getting ridiculous.

  65. Look, reports say the Patriots’ balls only were deflated when they were weighed at half-time, 11 balls by 2 pounds PSI supposedly and the 12th by less than that.

    There are all sorts of team employees on an NFL sideline and the guy attending the balls could have easily asked one of them to watch the ball bags while he took a quick leak. And he could have likely used a bathroom just off the dressing room. Instead he lugs 24 footballs across the field and goes into a separate bathroom. That makes no logical sense if all he wanted to do was relieve himself.

  66. “Its called mother nature. If balls dont deflate in rain and a cooler climate then something is wrong”

    Only the New England balls were deflated!!!!!! Jesus people!!!

  67. I would hate to be a Patriots fan, knowing all your supposed successes were tainted and not acknowledged by anyone else in the country outside New England.

    Nothing this team does will matter until they stop cheating and all the cheaters retire. Until then, they are winless.

  68. Did anybody test how long it takes to whizz in that bathroom? Sounds like 90 seconds was TOO LONG to deflate the balls, so therefore he must have been peeing!!!!!

  69. Does anyone even care if they did this? No way it impacts game enough to warrant a 24/7 story. If it was every football player/coach would be up in arms but it’s 50/50 at most that it makes even a slight difference. Chargers used stickum in a game in 2010 that has much more of advantage in a game. Barely caused a blip.

    It’s a rule infraction! It’s seconds of air out of a football.

    If a player wore cleats that were a fraction longer then the allowed amount would people be calling that player a cheater. Rules are rules, if it didn’t give an advantage why do it?

  70. Notice how in the NY Daily News demo, all the needle spouts were face up for easier access and how they didn’t count the time to open the door lock it, etc, and have a bag that was even remotely similar to a actual “ball-bag? lol – The NY Daily News is on the same level as the National Enquirer!

  71. problem with New England is that other teams have complained about the deflated balls before the Colts game.
    ______________

    Who else complained?

  72. Just thought of something… did the ball boy go into a communal bathroom? Because if he did there has to have been a witness or two who saw what really happened.

  73. Please just stop.

    I love the NFL. It’s one of the most wonderful sports to watch and, due to the inherent risks, it may not be around forever. The media, and this pathetic NFL “investigation” are ruining the best game of the year.

    Again, please, stop.

  74. Who was the highly placed official who “took the top off”- Jim Irsay? the use of the word high was a give away. “Taking the top off”- The colts “took the top off” on the intercepted ball.

  75. The weather simulations work in favor of the pats. You can also deflate 12 balls in 90 seconds. Both are pretty convincing…Unfortunately, the NFL gives us nothing.

    What were the measurements?
    When were the measurements done?
    Were the colts balls tested?
    When were the colts balls tested?
    Did they do the same simulation as the pats?
    Did they do the same experiments as Headsmart Labs?

    Why is it so hard for the NFL to state any of those facts? How do they effect the investigation? If things come out the night before the game, (like the false practice taping report in 2007), the fix will be in and I’m done with football.

  76. League should honestly table the investigation until Nov and Dec and start testing every ball at halftime of every NFL game. If balls show drop in PSI in outdoor games Pats did it, if not innocent we all move on – yay

  77. Google Patriots Fumbling 2007. Read the first article that appears. It is a startling and pointed statistical analysis.

    Benjarvus Green Ellis fumbled 10 times in two years of college play and 5 times in two years with the Bengals. During his four years with the Pats, he fumbled 0 times and set an NFL record for most consecutive carries without a fumble.

    Brady lobbied for the rule change, the Pats were caught with illegally deflated footballs when the opponent’s footballs were fine , and the statistics bear out an incredibly improbable (read: impossible) likelihood that the change in Pats’ fumbling statistics after the rule change were due to chance. The simplest explanation is almost always correct.

    I’m a lowly Lions fan and I have no dog in this fight. But I miss an NFL where defenders could hit ball carriers with impunity, physicality was rewarded instead of punished, and cheating had no place in the game. To all but the biggest New England fanboys, it’s obvious what happened. The numbers and common sense suggest this lingered for much more than a year, and drastically affected careers – to the benefit of those on the Patriots, to the detriment of those not. Drop the hammer on the Patriots. Ban Belichick.

  78. Love all these comments about letting this story go or not wanting to hear about the story, yet these people take the time to read about it and post.

  79. “Take a look at the article on sharpfootballanalysis regarding how fumble proof the Pats have become since them versus the rest of the league and opponents in foxboro”

    This fumble theory has been dubunked by many sites. Check out deadspin.

  80. to be fair every team in the NFL is cheating

    aka
    steroids which is a way bigger story but not nearly as fun to talk about apparently.

  81. The amt of deflation is easy with experience.

    Take a ball and fill to 13.

    Stick a needle in and count “three Mississippi” and pull out. Check the new air pressure.

    Repeat.

    New pressure is almost the exact same every time.

    Try it.

    With experience which the Pats obviously have, the sequence would be accurate, fast and repeatable.

  82. A team playing with deflated balls is not a violation. A team TAMPERING with balls is a violation. Prove it, or stuff it.

  83. We need video proof what happened in the bathroom. If I was going to deflate footballs in the bathroom why would I be in such a hurry to do it in 90 seconds?

  84. If the league cares about PSI so much they should take timeout and retest each ball every 5 minutes of each quarter to make sure they are still within regulation. Wouldn’t want any team to have a gigantic and enormous pounds per square inch advantage. [head shaking]

  85. More fodder for the Crygaters. Close to 100% of Crygaters have no idea of what the Patriots have actually ever been found guilty of. They were found guilty of taping the other teams sideline from a vantage point that the NFL had determined you could no longer film from. They did this after the league sent out a memo emphasizing that no team could tape from field level. That is how the rule was written, any other interpretation was based solely on inference. The detractors saying it violated the”spirit” of the rule, conflicts with the black and white interpretation. The Patriots paid a price for Belichick’s arrogance in continuing to film from that vantage point. Any other violations are perceived or are complete fabrications such as the Boston Herald/John Tomase false story, that almost had Bob Kraft owning the Herald. The problem is that perception becomes reality, and that is the case with all the Crygaters.

  86. Why does anyone assume that any air was taken out at all?

    Once you do the gas law calculations the proper way and once you try the experiment out in the lab (see the Carnegie Mellon / head smart labs study), an average drop of 1 psi (or a little over) is required by the laws of science and duplicated in the real world!

    entirely plausible scenario:
    Patriots FBs: 12.5 psi to 11.5 psi, within spec to out of spec
    Colts FBs: 13.5 psi to 12.5 psi, within spec to within spec

    The laws of the universe indeed apply to both sidelines.

    Until the NFL tells us that the Colts FBs dropped 0 psi (and violate the laws of our universe, if they cooled from 72 degrees to 51 degrees) or until the NFL tells us that the Patriots footballs dropped OVER 2 psi on average, then all discussion about deflategate has been much ado about nothing

  87. A letter to a friend of mine on facebook:

    I think I got this mystery all figured out Jim Ward – You see, the Patriots inflate the balls at the proper weight and then the balls are given over to the Gronk for him to test. Each ball has to reach a certain height in order to pass Rob’s spiking routine. He pounds each ball about three times then the balls go over to the refs to check. They never put a gauge to the footballs because they don’t know how to use them. The last ref they gave a gauge to has never been seen again. I think he was from Ohio!
    In all seriousness I have been doing a little experimenting myself. Any time I have to urinate (and wash my hands) I time myself! I do this even in the middle of the night! Yes! And wouldn’t you know it? It takes exactly 90 seconds every-time. Such a relief!
    I am hoping this “Deflate-gate” will just piss the Patriots off and they will take it out (no pun intended here) on the Hawks

  88. The patriots themselves found this video and turned it over along with the employee to the investigators. If this guy was ordered to deflate balls in a bathroom Kraft/belichick/Brady wouldn’t have gone out proclaiming innocence knowing they gave the league the evidence that makes them liars

  89. Wells: Describe the complete process you took during your visit to the bathroom.
    Attendant: Well, I walked in, turned on the light, and put the ball bag on the floor. Then I did my business, washed my hands, picked up the balls, and left.
    Wells: Was “your business” to deflate all the Patriots game balls?! I remind you that you are under oath!
    Attendant: No, I peed.
    Wells: Excuse me?
    Attendant: I had to pee, the game was about to start.
    Wells: When you say pee, you mean urinate?
    Attendant: Yes.
    Wells: Was this like a tinkle, or a full bore urination?
    Attendant: Are you paid by the hour?
    Wells: And how!

  90. It has been going on for the last 14 years or so.
    __________________________________

    Tom Brady’s thrown 143 interceptions in his career, and the Patriots have lost hundreds of fumbles over that time.

    And your argument is that no one noticed until now? Either it didn’t happen, or it isn’t even as close to as noticeable as people say it is.

  91. Believe me, the Patriots know where all cameras are in their facility and this has been done many times. Ball boy uses a personal restroom that locks from the inside where nobody can see what he is doing. They have it down to a science where the ball boy can just claim he was using the restroom. No “definitive proof”. Funny how Kraft used that language in his demand for an apology!! Instead why don’t you figure out what happened to your balls and not the Colts since nobody in your organization seems to have a clue! Yet evidence directly points directly to it!!

  92. Here’s a question I’d like answered….

    Was there another bathroom that he passed by before picking this single stall bathroom? If so, there goes the “I had to take a leak” argument.

  93. The gauge has a pressure release. You literally just put the needle in and press the release to the desired PSI reading. 2 PSI would release in just a few seconds.

    You can easily deflate 11 footballs in under 90 secs.

  94. WOW….When will you stop hating on the Patriots and there success??? It’s really sad to see….I know it’s hard to watch them win all the time and outplay and outcoach teams but that’s what they do best…..GO PATS!!!

  95. Let me play devils advocate. WHAT IF in the Super Bowl Tom Brady has a horrible game. Balls inaccurate, slipping out if his hands, dropped snaps? WHAT IF the patriots recievers drop 5 or 6 balls? WHAT IF gronk fumbles twice? What will the mediA and league say then?

  96. Dude went into a bathroom that locks from the inside and knows no cameras are there. Easy to deflate footballs in 90 seconds. I think everyone knows what he did.

  97. NFL is desperately trying to hide the fact they had no idea that temperature effected the psi of a football . patriots really should get draft picks as compensation when they are found to be completely innocent !!

  98. The 12th ball was the one presented to the ref just before the game started. The ref looked at just that one because that’s what they always do and assumed the rest were good.

    That’s why only 11 of 12.

  99. Yes….the news on deflategate has slowed to a trickle and so you guys are desperate to keep it in the headlines. You believe that Tom Brady would want some dude to rush into a potty which is under surveillance and surrounded by dozens and dozen of people to frantically release the pressures of only 11 of 12 footballs to untested levels minutes before taking the field in the biggest game of the year? Are you nuts?

    Keep flogging this nonsense.

    Its obvious that the NFL has NOTHING. So they are desperately grasping here to save face. Barring a confession, this was much ado about nothing.

    But go ahead and keep running your “tests” while the rest of us LOAO.

  100. Playing with deflated footballs provides a real advantage in terms of lowering your team’s rate of fumbling. Just look at how NE’s fumbling rate declined significantly the year after Tom Brady lobbied the league to change the rules. Before 2006 they were an average team in terms of fumbling. Since the rules change, they fumble at rate far lower than any other outdoor team.

  101. They need a confession or video to convince Mr. Kraft. This may be enough for league given they have lower threshold to exceed here. That said, if all they have is this kid going into the bathroom for 90 seconds and he said he relieved himself before going to field to work the next few hours, how do you prove otherwise.

    Sidebar question – are using PEDs or this worse in terms of providing an advantage. If PEDs – and I think most logical people would say that is the case – then why 0% focus on Seattle’s league-leading (or very close to league leading) issues in this area? Or the fact the Pats beat a steroid/PED laden OL from the Caroline Panthers in SB 38.

    Where is fair and balanced?

  102. Has anyone explained why the Colts balls were not deflated? Maybe Belichick’s icy cold demeanor caused the Pats sideline to be colder.

  103. wizardofgronk says:

    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???

    ________________________________________

    probably had to pee too

  104. You guys will have your answers AFTER the SB. They want the game not effected. Because Brady & Belchick will get suspended.

  105. speckers says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:25 PM

    “Its called mother nature. If balls dont deflate in rain and a cooler climate then something is wrong”

    Only the New England balls were deflated!!!!!! Jesus people!!!
    ———————————————————
    Actually, we don’t KNOW that yet.

    The NFL has only said that the Colts footballs were at 13.5 PSI at the start of the game, and were “above the minimum” of 12.5 PSI at halftime.

    We have no idea if the Colts balls lost 1 PSI or not.

    In fact, your claim that the Colts balls didn’t deflate only casts suspicion on the COLTS for cheating, because it’s a FACT that footballs lose PSI in cold, wet weather. So if the Colts balls tested at 13.5 at halftime, I’d be asking why THEIR balls DIDN’T deflate. Did they cheat by re-inflating their balls before the half????

  106. bigdinla says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:16 PM

    It’s a pretty easy case. If it was caused by the weather, why didn’t the Colts balls deflate?

    ——————————————————

    I have only heard that the Colts balls weren’t under-inflated at half time. That doesn’t mean they didn’t deflate. Were they tested/recorded before the game? Were they at 13.5 or over?

  107. The Pats have been a dynasty. all dynasties have haters.

    —————————————————

    Certainly any team fortunate enough to be successful in the era of social media has haters. All you hear about current Super Bowl winners–whether it’s the Pats, Seahawks, Ravens, Giants, or Steelers–is how they “cheated.” They filmed walk-throughs (though that has been debunked), they bought refs (as much as they supposedly earn on the side, it’s amazing all refs aren’t driving Bentleys), they’re all on PEDs, they had stick-em on their helmets, blah, blah, blah. As someone who’s had to cope with a lot of hard times, I can’t imagine how these whiners would get through a real crisis when they can’t accept a simple loss with grace, dignity, or good sportsmanship.

    As sick as I am of listening to the idiotic garbage spewed at our great Steelers’ teams, I’m certainly not going to turn around and do the same thing to the great Pats’ teams (even though some of their fans do it to us). Every team pushes the envelope on gamesmanship. No team is innocent, and the Pats aren’t any worse than anyone else.

  108. “It is easy to quickly deflate a football.” Not as easy as it is to assassinate someone’s character.

    Now that people are alleging that air was deleted from footballs to prevent fumbling, are they also apologizing to Brady for accusing him?

    Wasn’t the previous theory that air was deleted from footballs to make it easier for Brady to grip the ball and throw it; despite the reality that he threw the ball more accurately and with a greater rate of completion after air was added to the footballs? Or is Brady the mastermind behind the low-fumble theory as well?

    It is just hard for me when people try to fit the evidence to their presuppositions.

  109. thelastpieceofcheese says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:40 PM
    The mountain of evidence is overwhelming.

    If the patriots were really innocent why haven’t Robert Graft, Bill Belicheat and Tom Shady volunteer to take a lie detector test?

    _____________

    Maybe because the NFL hasn’t even interviewed them yet. And maybe because they are getting ready for the Superbowl. Who says they won’t take one????

  110. FoozieGrooler says: Jan 28, 2015 12:27 PM

    Why has no one asked why this guy even took two bags of footballs into the bathroom in the first place?
    ======================

    Maybe he needed to pee. He’s in charge of the balls, he’s not going to let them out of his sight, so he takes them in with him.

  111. People like to talk about how the Patriots haven’t won a Superbowl since Spygate. I haven’t heard anyone mention that they haven’t won a Superbowl since 2004, two years before teams gained the right to prepare their own footballs.

  112. ” But the league policy manual states”
    ——————————————–
    The Patriots could care less what the manual states.

  113. If you scrolled this far down you probably have more attention span then the average fan. This issue shouldn’t go away just because we are bored of it or because people are proving the Patriots excuses as lame. Ethics and FairplayIis a missing characteristic in our culture and to me what’s most alarming are the people who scream that this doesn’t matter. Never get to bored or tired to ask for justice and transparency.

  114. steeloven89 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:19 PM

    problem with New England is that other teams have complained about the deflated balls before the Colts game. So the weather isnt an issue.

    —————————————————–

    We don’t really know that for sure. There was a leak that suggested one team, the Colts, had complained to the league during the November game. That has been reported as “past complaints”, but we have heard of no other team that had issues with the Patriots balls. Also, even if there were multiple complaints… why would that automatically rule out the suggestion that it was the weather? Physics are the same at all times, and if they caused a deflation in one game it certainly could cause a deflation in other games. Not saying that’s what happened, but your logic is very flawed.

    Either way, that Daily News test was pretty laughable. If you pay attention, he actually lets air out of the same football a couple times…. which is why someone doing this to give the Patriots an advantage wouldn’t be trying to set a world speed record. He also says that it took 2.2 seconds to deflate the balls by 2 psi, yet he spends less than a second on each ball (aside from the ones he accidently did twice). If he actually took his time to make sure he didn’t deflate the same ball twice, and actually deflated the ball as long as he would have needed to…. his time would have been a LOT closer to 90 seconds, if not over it.

  115. Pressure loss has been estimated from real scientists
    based on temperature change (-1.4 psi), vapor pressure loss (-0.2 to -0.3 psi) and drop in barometric pressure (-0.1 to -0.15 psi) – total -1.7 to -1.85 psi loss. Explain why an attendant would be instructed to deflate the ball by an additional 0.1 to 0.15 psi in a bathroom? Science case is closed and airtight!! NFL should have closed the review within hours after the game if they had the right people looking at it !!

  116. Of course it can be done in that time. Those who didn’t think it possible probably don’t even have a football so they don’t know how easy it is to release air from them. Whether it was done in that case is another question. I’m still standing by the theory the guy just had to take a leak.

  117. And just think, when you’ve been doing it for 15 years you’re probably efficient enough to take a leak too.

  118. wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM
    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???
    =======
    Maybe that offensive lineman (that caught the TD) can only catch the ball inflated to 12.5 PSI. Who knows? Well…I bet Belichick knows.

  119. Straight up cheaters enough said it’s unfortunate the bitch Rodger won’t to much about this since it’s his favorite team what a coward

  120. Apparently people aren’t up on the latest news. The Patriots were clearly set-up, framed, sabotaged, whatever you want to call it. An ex-Jet coach in the NFL front office with an ax to grind against Belichick clearly set up the Patriots to take the fall. He may have even been involved himself with deflating footballs. Regardless, the Patriots are going to end up suing many people for slander when they are cleared and I wonder how many people are going to have the guts to apologize to them.

  121. With all that broadcast time they have before the game on Sunday, you know there’s gonna be a speed / precision ball deflating contest between Patriot and Seahawk ball boys. Patriots are heavy favorites.

  122. 1) Why didn’t the Colts ball deflate? Science says they should have.

    2) Were the Colts balls tested at half-time? If so, where? How long after the Pats balls were they tested? How long were they sitting there allowing PSI to increase towards the equilibrium state?

    3) If this was a sting + if the Colts knew about, then they would do everything in their power to ensure their balls remained above 12.5.

  123. **** LOGICAL PATS FAN SPEAKS ****

    First and foremost, this is football. A $25 billion dollar “game”, a business, run by Billionaire families, whose goal is to take as much money as they can from their customers; us, you, we — the consumer. The sheep.

    OK …

    Let’s start with the a few questions:

    1) Do I believe the Pat’s intentionally deflated their balls before the Colt’s game after the ref’s approved them (which I am hearing was done w/o a gage) and other game? A: NO.

    2) Do I believe the Pat’s intentionally deflated their balls at the low end – or below — before the Colt’s game and before the ref’s approved them and other games as well? A: YES.

    3) Do I believe that most NFL teams (and their QB’s) inflate or deflate their balls ahead of the game for their individual preference before they are approved? A: YES.

    4) Do I believe that Kraft and BB are as clean as they portray? A: NO.

    5) Do I believe most NFL owners, and their management, and star players have dirt of their hands and skeletons buried somewhere? A: YES.

    So what are we talking about here with SaggyBallGate? Robert Kraft is a ruthless business man who has created a lot of enemies within, and outside football; BB as well; the media hates him for the obvious reasons.

    And TB12, well what is the best way to bring down someone who has it all (looks, fame, smoke show wife, money)? Find an in and pounce like wolves. Brady takes orders, and we all know who his boss is.

    IMO, what this really is all about is a cold-war of sorts, between many NFL teams (i.e. Billionaire Owners) who with merit — or without — want to take Robert Kraft down.

    Do they have a cause? A: probably.

    Is this SaggyBallGate on itself stuff ridiculous? A: Absolutely.

    Interesting Fact: not a single active starting QB has said anything negative or positive about the inflation/deflation advantage, why do you think that is?? Because this a dirty little secret someone (Irsay, Biscotti,Woody) decided to use against the Pats, for the above mentioned reasons.

    Just like HGH is a known dirty little secret. The testing is a joke and will be a joke. Guess what? — Without HGH — a performance enhancing drug — this league would be a shell of what it is now.

    GO PATS!!!!!! 35-24

    PS. I was at the game after Spygate in 07′ against the leagues top team — S.D. — and they smashed them to oblivion. The hawks have no idea what is about to come their way. You’ll see. Otherwise, the game would be very very close.

  124. Win or lose, doesn’t really matter at this point. Everyone outside of Boston knows the Patriots will always live with this ****** Emrace it…it’s your legacy forever, as long as Bill Bellacheat, Tom Brady and Kraft are around.

  125. If you deflate the footballs warm, they will still lose pressure due to dropping in temperature. This might – MIGHT – explain a drop in excess of what you would see for temperature alone. But if the drop is what you’d expect for temperature or less than that, he can’t have deflated the balls.

  126. It’s not rocket science for a BALL BOY, who’s job is BALLS, to find the hole, stick it for 2 Mississippis and put it back in the bag. We don’t question bartenders who are able to eyeball 8 equal drinks out of one shaker do we? Why? Because they’ve done it a million times. Same with the ball boy.

    Open door, dump the bag onto the floor, grab a ball, prick it, one Mississippi, two Mississippi, back in the back, repeat. I bet he had enough time to take the leak he told the NFL, in which case he’d pass a lie detector test if they asked him why he was in the bathroom.

  127. “Good lord!! When are you people going to use your head and understand that the Colts balls didn’t change!! WEATHER WAS NOT A FACTOR!!!!!”

    tl;dr version of the following – Science!

    I hate to “do the whole science thing,” but there are a large number of possibilities here. I will lay out just a few:

    1. The report about the Colts all staying within regulation are inaccurate. Wouldn’t be the first time.

    2. The Colts were the away team, which means they traveled with their footballs before they brought them in. If their footballs were brought in within a few minutes from, say, the bus, that means the air in the footballs would not have had time to fully adjust to the new climate, and would still contain the pressure of the outside air. If filled up to 13 or so at that point, then the PSI change would be minimal once the ball was re-introduced to the outside air, if at all. It depends how long the Colts footballs were inside.

    2a. The Patriots were the home team, and thus it would make sense for the footballs to be stored within room temperature. In this case, if the balls were brought to 12.5 in that climate, the ideal gas law would, by itself, account for a roughly 1.2-1.4 PSI drop when brought to game time temp. Other factors, such as the rain and humidity, could also factor into an even bigger drop. Rain and humidity would also impact the Colts footballs, but not near to the extent of the climate change itself.

    3. The process of preparing the football would have likely been done by the Colts days before in Indy, and thus would have had no impact on the measure PSI of the ball. If the Pats had done their process close to the time of inspection, the friction of the rubbing likely would have increased temperature and “artificially” inflated the PSI. Again, depends on the timing.

    4. Maybe the refs didn’t measure with a gauge pregame and we have nothing to compare the results with anyway.

    These are just a few options. Maybe they did cheat, but it’s also quite possible that there is still a very reasonable scientific explanation for what occurred. I think many people have probably already made up their mind and decided to frame things a certain way, but objectively, there are certainly ways to answer your question, assuming it’s even a relevant question to be asked (ie that we are dealing with facts).

  128. jjmurphy1127d says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:40 PM

    Maybe Kraft (and pats fans) need Vid or Confession- but thats why the dude went to the only place in that stadium where they cant have a camera by laww. Also PED’s are wrong- and ppl get punished. Yes deflated balls help Brady throw better (or he wouldnt say 2 yrs ago he prefers them like that), but ALSO deflated balls are easier to hold onto so you dont fumble. They did the math on how much better the pats were at not fumbling in the last 5 years(a boston.com article), and to be that much better than anyone else is like winning a raffle in which your chances are .0000616 . Soooo either the pats basically have won the lottery the last 5 years or they deflated balls have been helping them. Its like winnig the boston marathon by an hr over the next closes person- is someone THAT good, or is there cheating going on? But if they’ve been deflating for years, then their much fewer fumbles over the last 5 years would help them out as a team TREMENDOUSLY. This, again, was a boston article.

  129. All of this is meaningless until two things are answered by the NFL.

    1: What was the PSI of each Patriots and Colts football when the NFL officials first checked them?

    2: What was the PSI of each Patriots and Colts football when the second round of checks was conducted at halftime?

    We have no idea what the original PSI of each ball was.

    We have no idea if the Colt’s footballs were higher PSI when first checked.

    We have no idea how much PSI the Patriots and Colts footballs lost between checks.

    Without this information… Real information, not press leaks and speculation, we still know absolutely nothing of worth.

  130. regarding other “complaints” (if they happened at all):

    Colts: @ Indy, with Indy ball boys.
    Ravens: Kicking ball (controlled by NFL), cold weather.

  131. I see comments as to why only 11 deflated balls. From what I read, all 12 balls were under inflated, but 11 were by more than 2 lbs. The answer then might be that in a hurry, not the same amount of air was let out of a single ball within the team’s 12.

    What is interesting though and may have been thought out to a high degree of detail, is where this deflating took place. I’m sure the stadium has security cameras all over, except the bathroom… and because of this we may never know if he was taking a piss or deflating the balls.

  132. Guy takes a pee, becomes the center of an overblown investigation.

    I’m glad his name hasn’t been released at the very least
    ===
    Not being a public figure, he’d actually have a better libel case than anyone else.

  133. …we need to work this into a reality show. How many hot dogs can you eat in a minute?….how many buffalo wings can you eat in a minute?….how many footballs can you deflate in a minute?

  134. We still don’t know the environment in which the Colts inflated their footballs before testing, and at what psi?
    I haven’t heard 1 media head asking theses questions.
    Because they don’t care about that.
    Remember that 90s song?

    Hey Jealousy
    Hey jealousy
    Hey Jealousy
    Hey Jealousy

  135. Did they test to see how long it would take a disgruntled EX-Jet president to deflate a ball before handing it over to the league as “evidence?”

  136. Only the New England balls were deflated!!!!!! Jesus people!!!
    ===
    Unknown at this time. Only NE’s balls were underinflated. Given that we know nothing about the inital or final P/T conditions of IND’s balls, we can say nothing about them.

  137. If any of you haven’t seen how officials handle the whole inflation/testing pre-game, I suggest you watch the video on MMQB:

    (Can’t link it because the moderators keep deleting the link)

    “12.5. That’s close enough” (tosses the ball)

    Not exactly a military operation…

  138. ecppeaters says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:58 PM
    I see comments as to why only 11 deflated balls. From what I read, all 12 balls were under inflated, but 11 were by more than 2 lbs.

    this is false, the only one more than 2psi deflate was the one the Colts had in their possession. The others were closer to .5 under.

  139. All this story does for the haters is dilute the “gates” they’ve tried associating with the Patriots. Since “gate” has been so overdone, the whole “but, but they were cheating!” nonsense will just be a funny little anecdote NFL Films plays with 10 years from now when they do a special about the greatness of the New England Patriots. Nice job Crygaters! Keep crygating!

  140. The attendant probably deflated all 12, but didn’t remove enough air out of the 12th. From what I’ve read, that ball wasn’t deflated to violation levels, but was deflated.

  141. In the statement from the NFL last Friday:

    1) The refs checked and approved balls before the game.
    2) Balls were found to be under-inflated at halftime.
    3) Same balls were “properly inflated” at halftime.
    4) Balls “remained properly inflated” at end of game.

    That is more than enough evidence that the Pats did something to alter the balls. The only people that will deny that are people that benefit financially from the sport (owners, TV networks, etc) and foolish Pats fans. The fans of the other 31 teams find this revolting.

  142. A lot of the Pats fans are like: “Can we just drop this and focus on the game? This is a non story.”

    But need I remind them that if it was some other team accused of this, the Pats fans would be all over it like a swarm of bees.

    I can tell you this for certain:
    If I was a Patriots fan, I would find some other team to root for.
    The history of repeated cheating and shady shenanigans is going to ensure that non-Patriot fans are never going to stop razzing those who root for New England.

  143. patsfanbutnflfan2 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:54 PM

    haha too funny- keep ignoring the reports. YES other qb’s like their ball a certain way- scuffing them, or having brand new balls, but there is NO rules against that. Every other team prepares their balls and if they pass inspection they use them- they dont alter them AFTER inspection. And deflating balls may not help all qbs (some like them harder), but OBVIOUSLY it benefits brady, not to mention it makes the balls harder to grip for RB’s and WR’s so you see less fumbles – to quote a BOSTON article, “the odds that the pats over the last 5 years were that much better than everyone else at not fumbling are ‘NEARLY STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE'” in fact the article states the odds are .0000616 . So take away that many fumbles (and turnover ARE important) over the years and your team is much different. We’ll see final finding, but as of right now, Brady has confirmed he likes balls underinflated, the nfl PROPERLY checked the balls before the game (so stop questioning the use of a guage), the balls were only not accounted for for 90 seconds with a Pats employee, and then the balls were found to be underinflated during the first half (while the colts balls were fine).

  144. You had to do an experiment to know you would be able to hold the ball better???

    That tells me two things…

    1. You never played football.
    2. You don’t know much about footballs, or I guess, science either, for that matter.

  145. Sees the fumble stats argument
    Laughs
    Tip: Starting with the assumption that all NFL teams are expected to fumble equally is lunacy.
    Why: Players aren’t randomly assigned to teams.

  146. Maybe he only deflated 11 cause he lost count. Or maybe his adrenalin was just causing him to rush and he missed one. We’re not experts on the deflating habits of the New England locker room attendant. What we do know, is that 11 of 12 Patriot footballs were tampered with, which is CHEATING. And spending more than two weeks “in processing” the investigation is just a delaying tactic to allow the NFL the opportunity delay handing out a punishment till after the Super Bowl. Which is in it of itself, further cheating.

  147. speckers says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:23 PM
    “I can’t wait for the scientific proof to come out and they find that temperature changes consistently causes the PSI to drop. Nobody ever thought about PSI during a game so the issue never came up.”

    Good lord!! When are you people going to use your head and understand that the Colts balls didn’t change!! WEATHER WAS NOT A FACTOR!!!!!

    —————————-
    If I were the Colts and knew a sting operation was going on or I was the one that complained, you darn well know i’d inflate to the high end to account for any changes due to climate or atmospheric conditions. In addition, i’d check periodically though the half to ensure they didn’t go below. If they did i’d inflate.

    I don’t think anyone has yet posted what the PSI was of the Colts balls when they tested the ones for NE during the half. How do you know they weren’t inflated to 13.5 or even 14.5 so that when they entered a colder climate that night they would still be in the “legal range”.

  148. If someone has been doing this for a long time, then it should only take 90 seconds to deflate 11 footballs to a lower pressure. All you “Patriots Dynasty” people are just upset because this is another * next to your team’s “legacy”.

    How good to you think Golden Boy would really be if the Pats had not cheated all these years?

  149. this was not his first time doing it. practice makes perfect and if some schmo can do it first time out in 56 seconds my guess well trained “brady bobo” didn’t have a problem in the 90 seconds.

    How often does this happen is my only question??

    And for tall the fans that act like this doesn’t matter.
    1. why is it a rule?
    2. why do wall know how brady likes them?
    3. why did other coaches and other teams already on to what new england was doing?

    Another skirt of the rule book by billy and tommy just a couple good balls going to their 6th superbowl. Maybe bending the rules does help is what i’m starting to think.

  150. macker1283 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:44 PM
    What if someone was using the bathroom when he was walking out to the field?
    _________________

    Exactly! There were a few football players on air yesterday talking about that exact bathroom. They said it is in a extremely high trafficked area and is surrounded by video. If this was their MASTER PLAN, it seems like a weak one. Anyone could have been in that bathroom the moment this dude decided to enact his plan. Then what? Plan foiled.

    Try again NFL. This story makes no sense whatsoever.

    If you had told me that the balls were taken down a corridor into a room far removed from the action with no cameras and were gone for a significant amount of time, well then I think we’d have our smoking gun. But 90 seconds in the middle of a high trafficked area under video surveillance………um no. If Belichick is as devious as everyone says he is, he’d come up with a better plan than this nonsense.

  151. If any of you haven’t seen how officials handle the whole inflation/testing pre-game, I suggest you watch the video on MMQB:

    (Can’t link it because the moderators keep deleting the link)

    “12.5. That’s close enough” (tosses the ball)

    Not exactly a military operation…
    ====

    And honestly… Even if I did use a gauge, I’d probably only check half of them. If I pull six from twelve and all six are good, it’s very improbable that the other six are bad. That said… I find they’re bad later, I just take them out of the game. Easy peasy.

  152. The attendant probably deflated all 12, but didn’t remove enough air out of the 12th. From what I’ve read, that ball wasn’t deflated to violation levels, but was deflated.
    ===
    Then you’ve read but you need to think. If a ball starts at 12.5 PSI and air is removed (no matter how much air), is the pressure going to be below or above 12.5 PSI.

  153. daytontriangles says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:57 PM

    No one here knows exact PSI of all pats and colts balls before the game or what exactly they were at halftime. What we DO know is that the NFL has the answer and hasnt divulged yet right? Now if colts started at 13.5 and were 12.5 at half, and the pats started at 12.5 and ended at 11.5 well then the NFL can easily indicate the weather and end this. You dont launch a full scale investigation and interview 40 ppl in a week if all the balls deflated the same amt. Thats common sense- which pats fans lack. The true numbers will come out, but obviously the NFL suspects foul play and all the balls didnt deflate at the same rate. For all we know the colts balls started at 13.5 and at half time were 13.5 still.

  154. @seals1 Nice spelling you idiot.

    One more thing for Tom. Every time he answers the question that he didn’t do anything to the balls. A delicate way not to lie. He isn’t the equipment manager.

  155. A bartender that has been doing his or her craft for a significant time, can free pour shots with accuracy by counting. A ball boy could and probably did, remove air with a needle and be fairly accurate, once again, especially if it is a practiced procedure and how many non-practiced procedures are there in New England? What is funny is how the fans of the cheaters want it to just go away instead of facing the facts that they support a franchise with a history of cheating and everyone else wants this to be the end of the Patriots. Nothing will happen and it will all be much ado about nothing. It is too bad the Pats tarnished the whole Boston Strong thing though.

  156. Which option is more likely: i) The Patriots are devious and are deflating the footballs or ii) the ball boy went to the washroom.

    So Tom Brady’s feel is sensitive enough that he doesn’t like the football at 12.5 psi. Instead he prefers 11.5 psi. This is so important to him that the team is willing to take the risk of manipulating the balls. So they have a ball boy in a washroom rushing to take the air out by counting in his head. Wouldn’t this cause a lot of variance between footballs and less to Brady’s liking? Doesn’t seem to make sense.

    I think option two is more reasonable.

  157. It’s easy to quickly deflate a football
    ~~~~~~~
    It’s also easy to profit from a contrived scandal by creating artificial suspicion or at the very least manipulating the suspicion that was already there. The league is doing it, the networks are doing it and so are you.

  158. jonathankrobinson424 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:59 PM
    …we need to work this into a reality show. How many hot dogs can you eat in a minute?….how many buffalo wings can you eat in a minute?….how many footballs can you deflate in a minute?
    =======================================
    Already done. This looks like an immunity challenge on Survivor, which is a CBS program. CBS, Les Moonves, and Robert Kraft are all pretty tight. You do the math. 🙂

    The Wells Report will implicate Kraft, Belichick, Brady, Jeff Probst, and “Boston Rob”.

  159. I have trouble believe that the Ravens and Colts worked together to “sting” the Patriots.

    Baltimore hates Indianapolis because they claim Indy stole the Colts away.

  160. I can tell you this for certain:
    If I was a Patriots fan, I would find some other team to root for.
    The history of repeated cheating and shady shenanigans is going to ensure that non-Patriot fans are never going to stop razzing those who root for New England.

    ——————-

    You can project all you want. It’s still fun to be envied and hated. Last time I looked the Raiders and Yankees still have a lot of fans too.

  161. This is so entertaining. Most Pats supporters are all saying “why is this still being discussed, this is embarrassing, blah blah” or “why does this even matter, the 2 best teams made it to the SB”

    Yes the 2 best teams made it to the SB. No denying it.

    This is solely about the integrity of the game. A deflated ball is easier to throw and catch. It creates angles on the ball that aren’t there with fully inflated balls. Thus it’s easier to grip, throw, carry, catch, etc…This is a clear advantage. (Pats still were the best team, which begs the question of why they feel they need this competitive advantage in the first place)

    Now Kraft is saying “prove it, or we want an apology” – no Kraft, the proof of 11 out of 12 footballs being deflated and none of the colts balls being deflated is proof enough. A ball boy would not willingly deflate footballs without direction from above. I don’t really care on the punishment part, but it’s pretty obvious foul play went on here.

  162. roadbiscuit says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:09 PM

    No teams arent expected to fumble at the same rate. But cold weather, outdoor teams are MUCH likelier to fumble than a dome team- thats common sense. No weather to deal with. So the pats being #1 is shocking, let alone that no team even CAME CLOSE to being as good as them. Also the study checked stats for the top 6 NE players while they played for other teams and their fumbles went way up. So every player becomes DRASTICALLY better at not fumbling while in a pats uniform- maybe its just luck that the cold weather/snow doesnt affect them. Or MAYBE its the deflated balls? They also checked players with 300+ touches from ’07-’14, and all those players while on other teams also fumbled an insane amt while on other teams. Just something to think about- im sure pats fans will say thats a coincidence.

  163. For all we know the colts balls started at 13.5 and at half time were 13.5 still.
    ===
    If this were the case, the NFL should be investigating the Colts. Their answer would probably be, “We gave the balls to the officials while they were still cold.”

  164. wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM
    “So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???”

    When the reports came out in specific about the status of the balls at halftime, it was said that:
    The 12 Colts offensive balls were correctly inflated
    The 12 Colts kicking balls were correctly inflated
    The 12 Patriots kicking balls were correctly inflated
    The 12 Patriots offensive balls were all underinflated. 1 of the 12 not by as much as the other 12.

    It’s very easy – he started on the 12th ball and then heard someone coming into the rest room. When you are doing you know if against the rules and wrong, as in this context, or criminal, most people will be a tad nervous. A hardened criminal will suppress those feelings, but some ball boy or locker-room attendant? Did I read that this locker room attendant had not only the Patriots balls but also the Colts balls? What do you Patriots devotees have to say about that? Not only can you not blame the Colts for tampering with the Patriots balls, but the theories on how the Colts tampered with their own? The Patriots had their balls!

    Willfull ignorance is a pretty pathetic look.

    If Goodell had any integrity, he’d cancel the Super Bowl and cut the financial losses. No way the Patriots should have the honor of playing.

  165. speckers says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:23 PM
    “I can’t wait for the scientific proof to come out and they find that temperature changes consistently causes the PSI to drop. Nobody ever thought about PSI during a game so the issue never came up.”

    Good lord!! When are you people going to use your head and understand that the Colts balls didn’t change!! WEATHER WAS NOT A FACTOR!!!!!
    —————————————————
    Show 1 fact that said colts balls didn’t change…show me one report leaked by a credible source…if weather is not a factor why has the NFL hired Columbia physics to help.?..you have an Ideology of the Pats, no info will change that.. You have become irrational and look extremely desperate…the media is taking advantage of your stupidity for their own profit and Pats fans come here just to see how dump you are

  166. wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM

    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???

    Because ball #12 was a kicking ball and they like those harder because you can kick them farther.

  167. Okay for the NEXT test

    put 24 balls in the bag, mark them NE and Indy

    Now, go to the bathroom, open the bag, sort the balls by team and then let the air out of the NE ones.

    Hurry now, we are waiting for your time.

    #graspingatstraws

  168. Check out New England’s home record after October since early 2000’s when it starts getting cold. It’s stunning how good they have been!!! Like fishy stunning. Playing with an underinflated ball is Brady’s preference, easier to catch and easier to not fumble. All those combined can make a huge difference in a game. Colts game not so much, but I’d go back and see how many closer games there were that it could have been a huge help.

  169. Everyone who is complaining: “Please stop this” and “Will this story ever end?”

    Don’t like it? Don’t read it

  170. restoreintegritytonfl
    “That is more than enough evidence that the Pats did something to alter the balls”

    No, it’s not. Not even close.

    1) How were the balls checked? By hand? By gauge? Were the readings recorded?

    2) How much did each ball deflate? Are we saying any ball under 12.5 deflated, and any ball over 12.5 didn’t? Did they each deflate by 1 PSI, meaning those that started at 13.5 were still in range?

    3) To what PSI? 12.5 (legal)? 13.5?

    4) How much did each ball deflate?

    5) How/when/where were the balls tested at half-time? How/when/where were the balls tested at full-time? How much, if any, extra sitting around time did the Colts balls receive? Did the Colts and Pats ball deflate the same amount?

  171. Check out New England’s home record after October since early 2000’s when it starts getting cold. It’s stunning how good they have been!!! Like fishy stunning. Playing with an underinflated ball is Brady’s preference, easier to catch and easier to not fumble. All those combined can make a huge difference in a game. Colts game not so much, but I’d go back and see how many closer games there were that it could have been a huge help.
    ——————————
    HAHAHA you sound so pathetic…they have been so good so…umm ummm Cheating! HAHA AHAHAHA

  172. Has anyone ever noticed that the Patriots have not won a Superbowl since Romeo Crennel left? The Patriots have not won a Superbowl since Charlie Weis left. The Patriots have not won a Superbowl since the year that the field at Gillette was changed from grass to field turf. Where are the investigations???

  173. Patriots inflate balls to 12.5 Colts to 13.5

    The 25 degree temperature drop from the referee locker room to outside causes a 1 pound pressure drop.

    Patriots now have illegal footballs and Colts don’t.

    Can someone please show me where the NFL said they were 2 pounds under inflated? As far as I know they gave no number.

    This is probably what happened.

  174. Toilet-gate shows it was an orchestrated effort at cheating.

    They knew the deflating couldn’t be done out in the open– they’ve probably been using the Take-The-Footballs-Into-The-Bathroom ruse for years.

    I’d bet that if you look at league video it will show them doing the exact same move right before game time for years.

  175. Soooo – what’s the theory on why he was rushing to do 11 balls in under 90 seconds when there was and never has been a rush or scrutiny in the past?

    These conspiracy theories are hilarious.

    How does everyone explain that in 15 years as the Patriots head coach, not one of HUNDREDS of employees, ex-players or coaches have come forward to say “I witnessed cheating”

    Bear in mind many if not most of these players moved on to other organizations and would have no reason not to come forward – in fact they’d have EVERY reason to come forward.

    NOT ONE

    The best you can say is that Mangini noted in the first game of the 2007 season that Belichick was in violation of a new 2006 rule that he thought he could get away with given the poor wording of the NFL

    NOT ONE PERSON has come forward

    THAT’S THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE

  176. Brady and Manning pleaded to have away teams bring their balls and have them “treated” as they like.

    Why is it such a stretch to think Brady would someone lower the PSI a couple notches as he likes?

    People please, these football players are ordinary people just like us. They lie, cheat and steal just like the rest of us.

    Please stop with the hero worship!

  177. letsgobuffalo4 says:Jan 28, 2015 1:06 PM

    patsfanbutnflfan2 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:54 PM

    haha too funny- keep ignoring the reports. YES other qb’s like their ball a certain way- scuffing them, or having brand new balls, but there is NO rules against that. Every other team prepares their balls and if they pass inspection they use them- they dont alter them AFTER inspection. And deflating balls may not help all qbs (some like them harder), but OBVIOUSLY it benefits brady, not to mention it makes the balls harder to grip for RB’s and WR’s so you see less fumbles – to quote a BOSTON article, “the odds that the pats over the last 5 years were that much better than everyone else at not fumbling are ‘NEARLY STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE’” in fact the article states the odds are .0000616 . So take away that many fumbles (and turnover ARE important) over the years and your team is much different. We’ll see final finding, but as of right now, Brady has confirmed he likes balls underinflated, the nfl PROPERLY checked the balls before the game (so stop questioning the use of a guage), the balls were only not accounted for for 90 seconds with a Pats employee, and then the balls were found to be underinflated during the first half (while the colts balls were fine).

    ——

    Sigh…

    Still using that article? Read the Deadspin reply yet? About how they basically proved that the guy that did that report you’re talking about basically set it up to fit what he wanted said? One of the biggest mistakes is his use of Tate’s fumbles, in which he included kick and punt returns, which use the straight-from-factory kicking balls. If you look at fumbles per 100 rush plays, Pats are the best, and average 1.5-2 fumbles less per season the the rest of the NFL since 2007. Good, but hardly an outrageously (.0000616%) anomolous difference. In fumbles per 100 pass plays, they are actually third best, with Rams and the Ravens better than them since 2007.

    Finally, you mention something about the Colts balls being fine. Other than that we’ve heard they tested above the 12.5, we don’t know anything else about them. What was their beginning PSI level? Was it 1 PSI more than the Pats balls, because if so, then 12.5 for the Pats and 13.5 for the Colts leaves the 1 PSI drop under-infalted for the Pats, but still good for the Colts. Only 1 ball on the Pats side was 2 PSI down, the rest were around 1 down.

    But please, don’t let a little fact checking get in the way of your bad information (that stats thing) or incomplete info (Colts balls being fine).

  178. As a kid, we used to wet the needle with spit to get it into the ball, easier.

    Get CSI on the line, stat! We need to do DNA testing on the ball valves, and see if this kid did it! DNA doesn’t lie (except in the case of OJ).

    I’d use David Caruso from CSI Miami. This whole thing needs someone who will be over dramatic, over emotive, oh, and someone who CAN’T act a lick (no pun intended).

  179. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:17 PM

    So if that were the case the NFL would be investigating it, right? b/c that doesnt add up? So why are they investigating the Pats balls????? BECAUSE THE NUMBERS DONT ADD UP! If colts started at 13.5 and were 13 at half, and pats started at 12.5 and were 12 at half- then that adds up right? No long investigation. So whatever the numbers truly were- the patriots numbers dont add up and the colts numbers do.

  180. And now there is a report on the NY Times and ESPN Boston that the NFL has contacted the Columbia University Physics Department for help in understanding how weather and temperature could affect the pressure in footballs.

    And here it is. At this point, there is only one logical conclusion to draw — the NFL has found no evidence to support the charge that the footballs were tampered with and now needs to explore what all the Pats-haters said was “impossible” — namely, that there could be another explanation for the results.

    It’s important to remember, of course, that for all the “PATRIOTS ARE CHEATERS!” blithering going on, the Patriots have NEVER denied an act and been found to have actually done it. As for the 2007/8 taping, Belichick immediately admitted doing it once charged. Back then, they vehemently denied taping the Rams walkthrough and were later completely vindicated of that false accusation (the NFL debunked it, the write of the story admitted it was false, and the newspaper that printed the story ran a front page retraction).

    They really have only been convicted of one thing — as BB said, taping a “guy who was standing out in the open in from of 80,000 people. 80,000 people saw him, everybody saw him, and we taped him.”

    Warm up the apology machine!

  181. This is silly.. The bottom line is the NFL obviously never considered the inflation level of the footballs a top level concern with respect to the rules and enforcement of them. If they did, the rules would specify not only the inflation range but the specific make up of the gas in the football, the temperature and conditions of the pregame test and the control of the tested/approved footballs.

    Is is a rule? yes. However, by not properly setting guidelines and controls, the NFL has created a legally unenforceable rule.

    I strongly believe that having a rule of this nature does nothing to protect the spirit of the game. Meanwhile it detracts from the quality of the product. If the league will allow the receivers to improve ball handling by use of gloves, why then would the league not allow a softer or harder ball for QBs and teams that prefer it. This is an entertainment business. I know that’s sacrilege around here but that’s the fact of it and better ball handling improves the product. Goodell also needs to learn to protect the image of that product. This should have been done behind closed doors and addressed in a manner which best preserves the image of the League. I can’t fathom a world where a guy is seen on video punching his girlfriend and is allowed to return to the field after less of a suspension than a guy gets for smoking pot all while the league draws the line at making the ball slightly easier to play with. The owners need to make a change at the Commissioner position and the sooner the better. The pending television contracts and the revenues that go with them in the London and LA markets are the only things keeping the owners from tossing him out with last weeks milk..

  182. Ridley Me This says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:26 PM

    If the numbers were equal like that- then you dont launch a full scale investigation. SOmething about the numbers didnt add up obviously. If all 24 balls dropped the same amt then we have an answer- the weather. But my guess is you dont spend millions on an investigation if you dont think there was foul play and unless the numbers dont add up.

  183. My guess is the equipment manager assumed Brady likes his balls deflated without asking Brady or Belly or anyone if it was OK. He sent the ball boy to do the dirty work and deflate as many balls as he could in 90 seconds, in the bathroom.

    IF the Pats are completely 100% innocent (and I don’t believe Belly or Brady knew about this), then the NFL is covering for the officials.

    At this point, I can see either scenario, but I’m more inclined to believe the Pats did something, just that Belly and Brady were not privy to it.

  184. I must be one of the few that really don’t care if they did or didn’t. Every game ball the Patriots scored with were put in play by an official. It’s their job to keep a fair level of play. Deflated footballs don’t determine the outcome of any game people

  185. It has been reported, and we certainly don’t know the facts, that individuals in both the Ravens and Colts organizations discussed their belief that the Patriots used balls with lower levels of air than called for in the league handbook before the AFC Championship game. By the way, a “handbook” is not a “rulebook”. A handbook by definition is “a book giving information on a particular subject or instructions for operations”. Florio, being a lawyer, may be able to help us with this distinction. An infraction of a guideline in the league handbook that calls for a fine of $35K (if I recall correctly) doesn’t seem to be such a big deal to me, but I am not a lawyer.

    Back to the theories . . . motivated by jealousy of the Patriots success (6 Super Bowl appearances in 13 years), Brady referencing the rulebook after Ravens Coach Jim Harbaugh had a hissy fit on the field in the Divisional game, or the penalties leveled against them as individuals and/or their team this year Colts owner Jim Irsay and Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti wanted to damage both Goodell and Kraft. Again, Florio is more able to get “sources” to tell us if their is any substance to these theories. We will wait to see what Florio reports. Kraft certainly has taken it personally.

  186. Bobby Kraft can have all the tantrums he wants, but the fact is his team will always have a cheating legacy. Not even an apology from the NFL would change that. Kraft is finding out that all his riches can’t change what people think.

  187. Brady and Manning pleaded to have away teams bring their balls and have them “treated” as they like.

    Why is it such a stretch to think Brady would someone lower the PSI a couple notches as he likes?

    People please, these football players are ordinary people just like us. They lie, cheat and steal just like the rest of us.

    Please stop with the hero worship!
    —————————————————–
    It was more about the texture and not the PSI but keep keep trying to fulfill your ideology of the Pats…Objective and logical people will continue to laugh at your emotional biases.

  188. iamapatsfan says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:28 PM

    #1 the article includes receivers fumbles. And the number of fumbles NE players have on other teams (overall) are much higher than while on the pats. and #2 you want to talk facts? please show me ONE article that says only 1 ball was 2psi under. There has been NOTHING more than a simple report of “11 of the 12 balls were found to be underinflated”. Im going by facts, you apparently are not. No one knows exact drop in PSI for all 24 balls. BUT- if all balls went down the same amt (even tho pats dropped below 12.5) then obviously its the weather. Id agree to that, so why would NFL do this massive investigation?

  189. I did it. I didn’t bring the footballs into the bathroom to let air out of the Patriots footballs. I peed on the Colts footballs. Urinating on the visiting team’s footballs is well known to reduce the psi in the home team’s footballs. I’ve been peeing on the visiting team’s footballs for years, usually after I have a meal with lots of asparagus the night before. There are no rules against peeing on your opponents footballs. Sorry for all the commotion. Haters can stop posting now.

  190. You can’t just stick a needle in and take some air out. You have to get it to THE EXACT pressure that Tom Brady wants it at. That’s not likely to happen without the use of a gauge. Unless there’s a special gauge that could deflate to a certain PSI then stop completely, I highly doubt this could be done. Also, whether or not it’s possible in 90 seconds isn’t that big of a deal. If he was letting air out, he would have taken his time to get every ball just perfectly right. No need to rush because he didn’t know he was being timed.

  191. Another thing, the Colts reported deflated balls back in November at at Lucas Oil Stadium….explain how that happens when it would be a Colts employee taking the balls to the field? I honestly think based off of that, this particular time, he was stopping to use the bathroom

  192. “Precision is critical for any scientific experiment.” Mike Florio (Bill Nye post in which he castigates the scientists from Carnegie Mellon). So please, don’t give me these half-baked anecdotes from you and that Jets season ticketholder at NYDN. Leave the science to the scientists.

  193. Bobby Kraft translation: “Don’t you know who I am? I filthy rich and I’m used to getting my way so you better apologize to me!”

  194. Where are all the non believers now? You can’t possibly take a couple psi from each ball in 90 seconds? I also wiz and wash and I’m gone in 60 seconds!! See some/most of you fail to see the main point, the balls never should have left plain sight. Going into a private bathroom only looks worse. It’s truly amazing how many people are naive when Belicheat and Co. have shown a habit for trying to manipulate/break the rules. They say ignorance is bliss but plenty of us choose not to ignore the behavior. Honesty, integrity, and playing by the rules seems to be a forgotten way of life these days. Keep enjoying your smoke and mirrors show based in Foxboro. I know what kind of person is running that show, and he’s cut from the worst cloth possible!!!

  195. This just needs to end.

    A Football is a Football…correct?!

    There is an advantage and disadvantage for having an under inflated ball. It’s easier to grip but it is more susceptible to hanging in the air longer and coming out as a “duck” ball.

    If they allow teams to manipulate balls to make them to their liking they should be able to change the air pressure as well. It’s a QB’s league and I’m sure all QB’s would want their ball to be inflated to their liking.

    No matter what this was another case handled poorly by Goodell and the league proving that this guy has no idea what he is doing in office. He needs to go.

  196. TIME to get REAL!!!

    The Patriots and all NFL teams spend well over $100 million on their players plus millions more on coaches, scouts, personnel execs just to prepare for each game. They spend countless hours practicing, watching film and more. But you clowns are trying to tell me that they are going to have a locker room attendant, who for all we know , may be a part-time employee, illegally tamper with the game balls in order to get an edge on their opponent? In addition, this attendant, just before the biggest game of the year, will do this illegal tampering super fast without time for any errors even though he has no reason to think that he has to hurry.

    The Patriots conducted their own investigation and Belichick called an unscheduled press conference to declare that he is 100% certain that the Patriots followed the rules to the letter. The locker room attendant surely has spoken with Belichick and the Patriots and we know the NFL has spoken with him. The pressure and focus on the previously locker-room attendant is now enormous and for the locker room attendant to lie or conceal the truth would be impossible under the intense questioning this individual must be facing. Who is this guy that won’t crack- A former KGB assassin, a Special Forces Operative, an experienced deep undercover DEA agent or just some kid working part-time taking the footballs onto the field that stopped to take a pee.

    If you think that Belichick would call the press conference and lie and coverup while risking his job, his legacy and his team’s future by trusting a locker room attendant to also lie and keep quiet while the entire sports world is pounding the kid for answers, you are a FOOL!!!!

    BTW, the NFL questioned the locker room attendant and judging by the NFL’s statement that the investigation will take several weeks, they ALSO know the kid didn’t do anything wrong and they are still trying to find out if something improper was done. otherwise they would be stating that the report will be out … or be completed on ….

    The kid did nothing with the possible exception of taking a pee on his way out to the field.

  197. Anyone know what the psi was in the Colts footballs was when they were handed over to refs?

    No? Then the Colts balls didn’t deflate argument goes *poof* which it should have anyway, since that claim defies physics.

  198. 1slice01 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:34 PM

    I havent read ONE single report saying there was an issue with texture. I dont think thats even a rule since Eli takes 3 months to prepare his balls (which is all about texture) and then they pass inspection. This is 100% about PSI. You have shown the greatest LACK of information of anyone i have seen in these threads lol. You mine as well say this is about PED’s hahahaha

  199. “what did that Patriots employee do[if anything] with a bag of footballs in 90 seconds behind a closed door”

    Wouldn’t an responsible reporter add the 2 words “if anything”in the middle of that statement?

  200. “spoilerfutbol says: Jan 28, 2015 12:08 PM
    The funny part about this:
    When patriots said there was an experiment and results to prove the balls lost pressure because the rubbing and the weather the haters said “we dont need that.
    ====================================

    What’s even funnier is that physicists and scientists pretty much told Belichik he made no sense. Balls would have to have been inflated when the outide temperature was in the 90s and Bill Nye (Science Guy) said rubbing the footballs wouldn’t impact the loss of pressure to that degree that was observed. Plus NONE OF THE COLTS’ balls were under pressure.

    No, the balls didn’t impact the result of the game and they absolutely deserve to be in the Super Bowl. I hope they also destroy the annoying Seahawks and their horribly delusional bandwagon fans. Just stop trying to insult our intelligence with the wicked lies and terrible PR spin jobs.

  201. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:42 PM
    1slice01 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:34 PM

    I havent read ONE single report saying there was an issue with texture. I dont think thats even a rule since Eli takes 3 months to prepare his balls (which is all about texture) and then they pass inspection. This is 100% about PSI. You have shown the greatest LACK of information of anyone i have seen in these threads lol. You mine as well say this is about PED’s hahahaha
    —————————
    HAHA you misunderstood..that’s ok..I would expect that from a Bills fan. The rule change that Brady and Manning lobbied for in 2006 was more about texture than PSI..that’s what I was saying…your apology is accepted for you and your pathetic team

  202. Benjarvus Green Ellis fumbled 10 times in two years of college play and 5 times in two years with the Bengals. During his four years with the Pats, he fumbled 0 times and set an NFL record for most consecutive carries without a fumble.


    Except he played 4 years in college 2003-2007.

  203. They don’t need the guy to confess, they only need to do a lie detector tests, on all the employee’s who work in the locker room area to be fair to everyone. This included BB and TB as well.

    Those who refuse the test are fired. If the guy who took the footballs into the bathroom is lying he will be found out and they will know the truth.

    Not like he is going to confess.

  204. Wouldn’t want any team to have a gigantic and enormous pounds per square inch advantage. [head shaking]
    ————————–

    No we wouldn’t. Why the head shaking? Retired and current quarterbacks have said that a difference in pounds per square inch does make a difference.

    I don’t suppose your team affiliation has anything to do with it?

    Go Hawks

  205. Benjarvus Green Ellis fumbled 10 times in two years of college play and 5 times in two years with the Bengals. During his four years with the Pats, he fumbled 0 times and set an NFL record for most consecutive carries without a fumble.

    And no he didn’t set the record it still belongs to LT over 700 carries without a fumble. He must have been cheating too!

  206. letsgobuffalo4 says:@ maybe we should blame the Bills for cheating…they have sucked so bad that make the Pats better…has to be an inside job. LOL

  207. bbauer42 says: – because the fully inflated ball is for the kicker. This has already been established. You can kick a hard ball farther than a deflated one.
    ______________________
    Ignorance or a lie? I’m guessing ignorance. Haters never ceases to astound me.

    Kicking balls are separate, not part of the 12 balls in question. I really wish people who had no clue what they are talking about would just shut up.

  208. First half scoring: Patriots 17 – Colts 7

    Second half scoring: Patriots 28 – Colts 0

    Thank goodness the NFL caught the under-inflated balls at halftime and re-inflated them. Apparently, under-inflated balls were holding Brady and the Patriots back!

  209. Thank you for that story. That proves they were not deflated.

    Ninety seconds is too long a time to deflate the balls.

  210. Dear Vikings fan:
    Lie detector tests are inadmissable because they aren’t reliable. Skol.

  211. ESPN Boston and the NY Times are now reporting that the NFL investigators has reached out to the Columbia University Physics department to investigate the weather pressure theory.

  212. It was also proven by the Warren Commision that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone! PFT, the moronic fans, hateful media all have taken this on like someone was assasinated! Every NFL player knows a 11.5, 12.5 or 13.5 psi ball is not the difference between winning and losing. As for this article you do realize brady had a 148 rating in the second half with the so called 13.5 psi balls. Once the pats win this I hope BB, Brady and Kraft tell the NFL and the rest of the country where to go.

  213. granadafan says:Jan 28, 2015 1:48 PM

    rubbing the footballs wouldn’t impact the loss of pressure to that degree that was observed.

    ^^^

    Rubbing is not what causes the pressure in the football to go up. It is the deflection of the bladder, such as rolling them under compression, squeezing them, stretching the football, anything that makes it change shape. Those small changes cause the temperature to go up. This is the whole tire pressure going up by driving for 5 min part of the argument.

    A science experiment often taught to children is to to take a basketball, measure its pressure, then dribble for 5 or ten minuets, then check it again. It will have gone up due to the temperature increase.

    The question left is, did the officials drop the pressure back down when they inspected them.

  214. Benjarvus Green Ellis fumbled 10 times in two years of college play and 5 times in two years with the Bengals. During his four years with the Pats, he fumbled 0 times and set an NFL record for most consecutive carries without a fumble
    ———————-
    Bit misleading. He fumbled 5 times with the Bengals on 500 carries over 2 years. 1 fumble every 100 carries. 1 fumble roughly every 5 games. That’s not unheard of for someone getting the ball 16 times a game.

    When he played 4 years with the pats he had about the same amount of carries there in 4 years that he did in 2 at Cincy. Just about 500. Kind of over blown.

  215. Bill Nye is a science idiot; pelenty of real scientists from MIT, etc have backed Belichick’s science over Nye’s so-called science…

  216. Why would someone grab the balls and then go to the restroom? Unless he has a medical condition where he is hit with sudden uncontrollable urges, it makes no sense to grab the balls first. Handle your personal business and then go and get the balls.

  217. Andre’s Johnson says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:36 PM
    wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM
    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???

    # # # # #

    One for the kicker.
    ================================

    Okay idiots, if I see one more post referring to the 12th ball as the ball for the kicker my head will explode. If you dont know this simple aspect of the NFL game, you arent a fan, and you need to get lost.

    The 12 balls are for the offense. There is an entire set of kicking balls. They are referred to as “K balls”. They are marked by the officials and they are never put into the game for anything other than, you guessed it, kicking. The “K balls” never leave the control of the officials. (which is how all of the balls should be treated, but that is a different argument).

    Second point. I am tired of reading people pick and choose when to use certain facts for their argument. You are going to tell me that the ball boy just stuck a needle in each ball all “willy nilly” and didnt check to ensure they were the pressure Tom wants? He was so haphazard about it he simply missed a ball???? Yet, at the same time, everyone argues that Belichick is so meticulous he knows everything about everything. Yet, when it comes to this game ball process, he just dsecided to have some random ball attendant haphazardly deflate the balls. Get real. If Bill is that meticulous, he would have given the kid instructions, very specific instructions. He would have practiced his procedure through out the week in the same way the team practices. He wasnt in a rush. He wasnt interupted by a knock on the door. He didnt just accidentally miss a ball… There would have been a very precise process.

    I suspect that the Patriots provide 11 balls to the officials that are 12.5 psi just in case the officals check them all. They provide a 12th ball that is in the 13.5 range, and put that on top. That way if the official only checks one ball, he checks the one at 13.5. That also explains why one of the 12 was still legal at halftime

    My honest opinion is that of the 12 balls tested at halftime, one of them was still 12.5, 10 of them were in the range of 12, and one of them was 10.5psi. And the one that was 10.5, was the one that was in the Colts possession. The Colts knew they wanted to accuse the Pats of low psi, so when they were able to get possession of a ball, they let out some air to ensure it definitely was below (problem was it was already below and their actions put it waaay below)

  218. bbauer42 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:04 PM
    @wizardofgronk – because the fully inflated ball is for the kicker. This has already been established. You can kick a hard ball farther than a deflated one.

    For pity’s sake pay attention. The kicking balls are kept entirely separate.

  219. Atlanta is cheating too!!!! They have even BETTER stats than the Patriots since 2007!

    2007-2014 fumblers per game 0.9625 for atlanta

    2007-2014 fumbles per game 0.9875 for Patriots

  220. “kycoosouth says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:01 PM
    Why would someone grab the balls and then go to the restroom? Unless he has a medical condition where he is hit with sudden uncontrollable urges, it makes no sense to grab the balls first. Handle your personal business and then go and get the balls.”

    ———————

    $50 and a Brady autographed t-shirt?

  221. hamiltos777 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:07 PM
    Oh good God.

    Or he took a whiz before heading out onto the field for 3 hours.

    Occam’s Razor.
    ———————-
    Right Occam’s Razor……

    Pats balls were deflated by 2psi.
    Colts balls were not.
    Both sets of balls were inspected prior to game.
    One set of balls went into toilet with Pats ball boy.

    The most likely solution is that ball boy released air from 11 of the balls to be more to his QBs liking.

    The 12th was not altered so that there would be a playable ball should their dirty scheme be discovered.

  222. meepmeep172 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:56 PM
    ESPN Boston and the NY Times are now reporting that the NFL investigators has reached out to the Columbia University Physics department to investigate the weather pressure theory.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh No Science! Mike Florio – what angle will you take now to keep this going? I know…Kraft made a significant contribution to Columbia while sitting on the grassy knoll….clearly a conspiracy…

  223. The deadspin article refutes the notion that the dastardly Patriots have an statistically I possible fumble rate. But, really, if that were true are we now to believe that Tom Brady relinquished control of his footballs to the ball boy so other players wouldn’t fumble? That’s absurd.

    Further, let’s remember that the notion that balls are easier to handle deflated or easier to hold on to deflated is completely anecdotal. I mean, there is no evidence to back this claim up as there is with say performance enhancing drugs, which of course were never used by any NFL teams, right?

  224. Peyton Manning With Indy Fumbles per game ranking:
    2004 – #4
    2005 – #1
    2006 – #2
    2007 – #2
    2008 – #2
    2009 – #1
    2010 – #4

    Pats Fumble per game Ranking:
    2007 – #1
    2008 – #4
    2009 – #4
    2010 – #1
    2011 – #4
    2012 – #5
    2013 – #24
    2014 – #2

  225. Please stop with the hero worship!
    —————————————————–
    It was more about the texture and not the PSI but keep keep trying to fulfill your ideology of the Pats…Objective and logical people will continue to laugh at your emotional biases.

    ===========

    Yeah, it is about texture AND lower PSI that gives an extra advantage to Brady! Pats are always legally or illegally seeking an advantage, no matter how small.

    Logical, really? Logical is realizing the Pats cheated because they are known cheaters, illogical is looking for all these atmospheric reasons why the ball lost pressure. Gimme a break! The Colts complained about it in the previous game, so did the Ravens. All the evidence is right before your eyes.

    This is the same team that got caught with Spygate, enters a fake injury report every week, craps on proven vets and kicks them out the door and risks injury to starters by placing them on special teams.

    And you think they were never lower a football 2 PSI to the QB’s liking as he has already stated? I got some swamp land I would like to sell you.

    Can you please tell me how they every played that game in Cincy when the weather was -59 wind chill? Those poor footballs must have been 5 PSI by the time mother nature got through with them!

    PATRIOTS ARE CHEATERS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!

  226. Stevan Ridley Pats RB, 4 years: 649 carries 8 fumbles.

    That’s a lot of fumbles. Huh. How is this possible if he plays for the pats????

  227. Why would someone grab the balls and then go to the restroom?

    Um, because the refs had to get to the field and the balls had to be with somebody at all times?

  228. Again the footballs acted consistent with the laws of physics – it would be strange if pressure didn’t drop in a cooler temp and rain (the Colts footballs had to have started at a higher psi than the minimum to not fall out of regulation or were cold when they were tested). And the guy carrying them briefly stopped in the bathroom on the way to the field. Hardly damning evidence.

  229. It is a fact that since the rule change in 2006 that allowed teams to prepare their own balls, the Patriots’ fumble per play ratio dropped by unbelievable standards.

    BJGE never fumbled even once with the Patriots but fumbled 5 times with the Bengals.

    A guy takes a bunch of footballs in to one of the only places where there is sure not to be a camera.

    The evidence, opportunity and motive for cheating keeps piling up.

  230. Easily enough to install a pressure valve on an inflation needle to automatically calibrate (& then stop) at whatever desired dialed-up pressure level of 1o.5 (or whatever) psi

    Intentionally leave one ball relatively more inflated (& keep at the ready) IN CASE an official were to discover an underflated ball in play & call to the Pats’ sideline for a replacement, for which he would ‘feel’ for desired pressure & whistle back in play. Affter which Brady soon sails that ‘normal’ ball back into he sideline where another ‘deflated’ ball replaces it on the sly

    Punts & KOs are also performed with the special & official-controlled “K-balls”, which also means the players fielding them in play are also handling (& fumbling at higher rates than with deflated balls) regulation balls on those plays

  231. “It’s easy to quickly deflate a football”

    It’s also very easy for a team to illegally heat balls up on the sideline like the vikings did.

    I guess it’s also easy to ignore that when it’s not a team you hate.

  232. paulsuh1989 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:12 PM
    u only need to deflate 11 balls..u need 1 for the kicker.

    ———————————————————-

    WRONG
    All kicker balls, for both sides, come from the officials. Shipped to the officials directly from the Wilson Factory.
    Neither team touches the kicker balls.

  233. johnnycantread says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:16 PM
    I have trouble believe that the Ravens and Colts worked together to “sting” the Patriots.

    Baltimore hates Indianapolis because they claim Indy stole the Colts away.

    4 4
    Ever heard the saying “The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
    There is definitely something fishy about the contributions to this mess by Indianapolis and you do know Pagano (yeah the guy who has already offered several conflicting stories about what happened) worked for the Ravens. and said he consulted them on this topic before the game.
    The Ravens meanwhile are still whining and would like nothing better than to have suspicion cast on a team that just beat them. The Ravens also have a less than standup reputation due to things like the Ray Lewis and Ray Rice events.

  234. joker65 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:59 PM

    Benjarvus Geen-ellis actual #’s. Two seasons with cincy- 498 carries and 5 fumbles. Four seasons with NE- 510 carries and 0 fumbles. So with the pats he averaged 0 fumbles per 510 rushes. And with another team he averaged 1 fumble every 99 carries. These are similar stats to 5 other current players and also players with 300+ touches since ’07. Doesnt mean 100% they used deflated balls, but there is a 1% chance this is all just coincidence. Somehow in a Pats uniform, players fumble at an alarmingly lower rate.

  235. belgaron says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:06 PM
    “kycoosouth says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:01 PM
    Why would someone grab the balls and then go to the restroom? Unless he has a medical condition where he is hit with sudden uncontrollable urges, it makes no sense to grab the balls first. Handle your personal business and then go and get the balls.”

    ———————

    $50 and a Brady autographed t-shirt?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe its on the way to the field?

    I don’t think Kraft would publicly challenge the NFL and risk a billion dollar business and his reputation on the hopes a minimum wage the ball boy would keep his mouth shut.

    More than likely Science and not conspiracy explains this…..

  236. @ BillBurke what happened in 2013 when Pats were 23 in fumbling? Maybe Timmy the lightning handed ball boy was on vacation.

    There is no objective evidence that links the Patriots to any wrong doing. If you start intellectually from the ASSUMPTION that the Patriots did this, then you probably can concoct some far fetched, ridiculous scenario to fit your bias.

    If you start from the place intellectually that the balls were slightly deflated, which would be consistent with known laws of physics, then HOW COULD YOU ON THE OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE think the Pats did anything?

    If you believe the Patriots did this, you would have to believe that Brady, Belichick and Kraft are all massive liars. You would have to believe that this massively skilled ball boy deflated 12 balls in 90 seconds, which would either be impossible or at best highly improbable. You would have to believe that Brady, Kraft and Belichick invested their reputations, their legacies and their careers on a 22 year old ball attendant.

    Think about what you are saying it is just so improbable and far fetched. The obvious explanation is the most likely: NOTHING HAPPENED!

  237. @bountierus
    Incorrect.

    The balls were submitted to league legally as indicated by league rules. It then becomes NFL officials job to maintain integrity of the balls.

    If balls were submitted legally were not suitable per NFL standards, it is the leagues job to correct.

    Suggesting something deceptive happened is a HUGE extrapolation

  238. DennisT says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:26 PM

    Ok, so your UNBIASED? and didnt come into this 100% thinking pats are innocent? And your biggest argument is that we’re “assuming” that brady, BB and kraft are liars. Well the team and BB were fined $750K BECAUSE they are liars. They dont fine someone almost a million dollars for doing the right thing. And “massively skilled” ball boy? Bartenders count a pour and know how much is in there, a guy who handles these balls week in and week out cant stick a pin in and count to 4 (or however many seconds he has figured it to be)? Sounds like your in denial. If pats balls and colts balls dropped the same PSI from start of game to halftime then yes, it was the weather………..but if that was the case then why hasnt the NFL just said that? Why are there NO REPORTS saying anything like that????

  239. Preponderance of evidence or any other loose standard does not mean that sheer possibilities are evidence of wrongdoing.

    The investigators will have to have a lot more than some NFL officials doing ball manipulations on a timer.

    I gather it is a fifty year old man who went to the bathroom before heading to the sidelines. Ican tell you this is a real need, sometimes sudden, especially with older people. If he had left the ball bags outside, we would be all over him for that now that the video is being reviewed.

    I wonder how many people here would like to be a subject of speculative accusations for going to the restroom at their places of work. At the very least, innuendo should be put on hold.

  240. I have a few observations on tinkle-gate. I agree that if they look for videos from other games and this employee had a habit of making the same quick pit stop on the way to the field it could be suspicious. That being said, it could also be a normal time for him to be sure he didn’t have to take a leak for the next 3 1/2 hours while he was needed on the field. I myself recall running to drain the main vein before the Colts game started so I wouldn’t miss anying.

    Is there any video with this same locker room attendant using the facilities in the time leading up to or shortly after the 90 second visit in question? If so, it would be suspicious because presumably he took a leak during the other visit, but used the 90 second visit for deflating. But if he was observed with a Big Gulp or a Starbuck Venti coffee, he should be given the benefit of the doubt. If he made no other pit stop before the game, then he is almost certainly innocent, unless of course he can take a leak while deflating 11 or 12 balls within 90 seconds. (I tried it, it can’t be done without peeing on your leg.)

  241. Since there is no official finding… Nothing… Just the media telling the world the Pats cheated… Thats it…

    None of the stories that have broke on this have been denied or substantiated by the league… (Officially) including the PSI of footballs used in the game… So if it is so cut and dry … why are the Pats not being called out… what is taking so long???

    THEY GUT NOTHING!!!

    They are trying desperately to find proof…
    All we know has been broke in 4 stories… with unsubstantiated sources from high profile writers whose credibility is on the line…

  242. A team of scientists in PIttsburgh have proven weather can make a difference in psi and people hang their hats on bill the science guy who also admitted he was a hawks fan. Bill Nye did NO testing just wishful thinking! I’ll go with Carnigie boys who did science on this and proven the rest of the haters WRONG!

  243. I’d still like to know why the NFL doesn’t bother supplying and keeping a sharper eye on these balls before a big game, as they do for the Super Bowl, especially from a team that is known to have cheated before.
    What is wrong with those morons?

  244. @DennisT, BB was fined for videoing signals in front of 80,000 people like just about everyone in the NFL was doing! No he was not fined for lying. The only lying being done is you and your ignorant post. Just another media lacky with no thoughts of your own, no analytical skills of your own and no objectivity of your own.

  245. Benjarvis Green-Ellis won the starting job with the Patriots over other running backs BECAUSE he didn’t fumble. He cashed in and got his big pay day from Cincy where he knew he wouldn’t be benched for fumbling and received different coaching. Stevan Ridley has fumbled plenty for the Pats. Keep looking for any sign and excuse to why the Pats generally beat your favorite team other than they’re better.

  246. letsgobuffalo4 says:Jan 28, 2015 1:35 PM

    iamapatsfan says:
    Jan 28, 2015 1:28 PM

    #1 the article includes receivers fumbles. And the number of fumbles NE players have on other teams (overall) are much higher than while on the pats. and #2 you want to talk facts? please show me ONE article that says only 1 ball was 2psi under. There has been NOTHING more than a simple report of “11 of the 12 balls were found to be underinflated”. Im going by facts, you apparently are not. No one knows exact drop in PSI for all 24 balls. BUT- if all balls went down the same amt (even tho pats dropped below 12.5) then obviously its the weather. Id agree to that, so why would NFL do this massive investigation?

    —–

    Yes, the article related RBs while on the Pats to while on other teams. The biggest one was Tate’s increase in fumbles (which skewed the results by quite a bit). But he also added all the fubmles that Tate did while acting as punt/kick returner (which he didn’t do while with the Pats), which means using a kicking ball, which is sent direct from factory to refs, and is never touched by the team except when kicking. So, using that to try and prove a higher fumble rate is simply bad information.

    As for only one ball being 2 PSI under, it was an article right here on PFT. The “NFL bear plenty of blame for #Deflategate” article. In it, Florio writes:

    “But what has the NFL really found? As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.”

    Which means the only ball, according to this source , the only ball that was really bad, was the one the Colts tested and said was under-inflated. That in itself could be construed as suspicious.

    As for doing the massive investigation? Have you seen the NFL news lately? It drives national media right now. Why do you think they are saying “no comment” during official media question periods, but immediately leak all (and conflicting) info immediately after?

    Ok, that last part may be a bit sarcastic. If I were to really think about it, I would suggest that based on the beating the NFL has taken this year, they are trying to be over correct in everything to make sure it’s done properly.

  247. @lemmetalkwouldya

    You would not only need exact numbers, which YES should be released

    You also need exact testing conditions for all tests run and atmospheric conditions for all tests run.

    Other teams and stadiums also should have to be tested.

    That is the only way results would be reliable.

    The Bottom Line is this: we can argue all day about what we think happened here, but 10,000 foot view: This could have all been prevented by a simple phone call. it is not a big deal. I don’t think the Patriots did anything wrong (no evidence) but these discrepencies have always been and forever will be a part of sports!

    Why turn them into WW3 each time they happen Roger Goodell? Has the NFL ever had more controversy?? These minor things that once were dealt with as part of the game (and they were part of game for ALL TEAMS) now become taken out of context and a huge deal!

    Roger Goodell, the man who ignored Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson, The man who BLEW the bountygate investigation way out of proprotion and botched that, The man who has changed the way football is played for the worse so fantasy geeks across America can enjoy artificially inflated stats, is in the midst of another self imposed controversy and BOTCHED investigation. Someone else said it: The worse Commissioner in any sport, In any league ever. Couldn’t agree more.

    When all this shakes down, and the Colombia physicists absolve the Patriots, and the league issues an apology, the cross hairs will turn to Goodell, and he will be DONE as commissioner.

  248. @packmanfan, since rodgers overinflates balls I guess that’s ok! No one that ‘s ever played the game believes this was a competitive advantage other than the ignorant. By the way, Brady had a 148 rating in the second half with the so called inflated balls!

  249. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:35 PM

    “Well the team and BB were fined $750K BECAUSE they are liars” Nope wrong…again!

    For someone who has the internet…you are really bad at facts. Show me one instance of them lying…give me some facts from the spygate situation??? You’re quick to call people out but as I scroll, you seem to be the least informed person on here

  250. I cannot believe how much denial is happening here.

    Facts:

    1) The NFL had enough reason to test the balls because they were suspicious of under-inflated balls being used by the patriots.

    2) The NFL tested all balls before the game. Balls were properly inflated.

    3) Patriots balls tested at half time were under inflated.

    4) Colts balls tested at half time were properly inflated.

    5) A person disappears after the first testing with the balls, away from all cameras and other humans, for precisely the amount of time it would take to deflate the balls.

    6) The patriots have a history of pushing the envelope in order to gain competitive advantage.
    ———
    Conclusion 1: The balls were tampered with.

    Conclusion 2: 11 of the 12 Patriots balls deflated naturally and the Colts balls did as well, but were inflated higher initially and account for the discrepancies found.

    Conclusion 3. 11 of the 12 Patriots balls deflated naturally but magically the colts balls did not.
    ———–

    Conclusion 3 must be thrown out. No magic explanations allowed.

    Conclusion 2 should be thrown using some simple deduction.

    The NFL set up this sting. Hence, they would take measurements of all balls before game and all balls at half-time. IF the Colts balls and Patriots balls were the same initially, conclusion 2 must be thrown out.

    IF the Colts balls were inflated at the top of the limit, and the Patriots balls at the bottom of the limit, the NFL could easily determine if natural deflation occurred at the same rate for each set of balls. If then, this is the case (both sets of balls deflated at the same rate putting the colts still in range and pats balls out of range), the NFL would be in front of this story and say exactly that. They would not be dragging this out right before their premier event if there was a simple (non cheating) explanation.

    That leaves conclusion 1 as the most likely answer. Occam’s razor. Someone found a way to gain advantage and followed through with it.

    Stop the denial.

  251. Hawks and their fans are just trying to give themselves courage going into this game and point to a football the reason why the Pats won. The hawks won last year because of PED’s, just check out how many of them got caught. PED’s are a competitive advantage unlike a juiced up football. Just look at the roid rage meltdown shooman had at the end of the 49ers game and tell me he’s not using.

  252. It’s really simple. Kraft would NEVER have prepared that speech on the plane if the Patriots did anything wrong. Haha! And this story may take the cake. You think this kid could do that in 90 seconds? Footballs aren’t the easiest thing to handle. Come on everyone. Give it up!

  253. I’m just throwing this out there, but all of the focus lately has been on whether or not it’s possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds or so.

    My question to everyone is that if they are going to use the excuse that he just had to pee, what took 90 seconds? I think most people would go into the bathroom, pee, wash their hands (maybe), and be done. That might take a minute…..tops…….. Most people (especially guys) I think actually do it much faster.

    Just another way of looking at it.

  254. Florio can speak to this as a lawyer but senior management in public companies often hire third parties in advisory roles, such as the Paul Weiss Law Firm, as a way to avoid personal liability under the “business judgement rule” because it assumes they acted with due care when making certain business decisions. However, in this case, the NFL is a private company, not a public one, and the third party is not acting with independent authority. They are a tool of the NFL. There will be no assumption that the NFL and its employees acted with due care.

    Reports indicate that the NFL has been leaking stories to the media and the Patriots, and individuals within the Patriots organization would certainly be able to point to these leaks as having the intent to damage them. My experience indicates that the potential liability damage that the NFL, its employees, and the media sources that published the leaks will face will be much greater than any potential fines imposed on the Patriots. This will be especially true if this is deemed a violation of a guideline with a stated $35K fine that is regularly broken by other teams with the knowledge of the NFL. In short, the investigation is a dumb idea unless it exonerates the Patriots.

  255. You would think that with this kind of journalistic rigor someone might report on what the norm is? What the Colts footballs weighed at halftime? Is it common to have to refill footballs at halftime? Has anyone even bothered to ask questions like this?

  256. I would “CSI” the 12th ball that wasn’t deflated and see if it has any kind of markings , they have to have some kind of way to know which one is legal from the other 11 .

    #DUH

  257. If the numbers were equal like that- then you dont launch a full scale investigation. SOmething about the numbers didnt add up obviously.
    ===

    Yeah… That something was that the league didn’t know about PV=nRT until today and had to call Columbia’s physics department to get a crash course on it.

  258. So if all you haters believe the pats have done this all year where is the film of the ballboy leaving with the balls and going into a private room for both home and away games for all 16 games plus playoffs. That’s right there is no film cause it didn’t happen. Morons!!!!!

  259. Congratulations to the NFL and the sports media. Thanks to DeflateGate, everyone’s attention was completely diverted from the farce that is the Pro Bowl.

  260. cinzano08 T

    You have me confused with the guy from Buffalo who copied my post to reply. I didnt call BB a liar. The guy has never lied in 15 years. He admitted to spygate. The media is ridiculous.

  261. @footballforseer

    That post is pure distortion. None of that information is confirmed. And you left out several important facts.

  262. Bill Nye is a science idiot; pelenty of real scientists from MIT, etc have backed Belichick’s science over Nye’s so-called science…
    ===
    Even NdGT initally agreed with Nye. Then he double checked his work and said BB’s story was plausible.

  263. bhlobos says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:14 PM
    Kind of like a baseball player that knows his bat is off by 1/3 of an ounce…

    ———————————————
    I saw something like that a couple years ago. After two other Tigers had already batted in the first, Miguel Cabrera came up and realized the batter’s box was a couple of inches too far forward. Maybe not every quarterback can tell if the ball is softer, but Tom Brady sure as hell can.

  264. sven233 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:55 PM
    I’m just throwing this out there, but all of the focus lately has been on whether or not it’s possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds or so.

    My question to everyone is that if they are going to use the excuse that he just had to pee, what took 90 seconds? I think most people would go into the bathroom, pee, wash their hands (maybe), and be done. That might take a minute…..tops…….. Most people (especially guys) I think actually do it much faster.

    Just another way of looking at it.

    ————————-
    I don’t suppose he may have combed his hair, answered a cell phone text, and checked his nose for boogers before going out in front of 80 thousand people?

  265. By far the most obvious explanation is this

    (1) Brady submitted the balls he liked. He admits he prefers a lighter ball in his press conference. The balls he submitted were probably lighter than 12.5 psi, but he does not check them. He goes by feel.

    (2) The game officials “properly checked” the balls but DID NOT record their measurements or pressure test all 52 balls with a gauge (12 Pats balls, 12 Colts balls, 12 back up balls, 16 kicking balls). A report yesterday confirmed this info (that balls were not tested by gauge)

    (3) The Patriots and Colts balls both further lost pressure due to atmospheric conditions. Because the Patriots balls were lighter to begin with, they were about 1-1/5 psi below limits by halftime (up to 1 psi for 10/12 balls, 1 at 2 psi below).

    This is an Exceedingly SIMPLE, logical and fully consistent with everything observed explanation for what happened. This is Occums Razor. The Patriots know it, that is why they risked their professional reputations to defend themselves. The League knows it that is why they are dragging heels on investigation to save face.

    In no way can some far reaching, risky and exceedingly coveret conspiracy be considered a SIMPLe explanation for what has been observed.

    Anything beyond this is PURE FAN FICTION by Patriot haters and conspiracy theorists. Case closed.

  266. Why are you idiots from NE defending this? Clearly, the balls were under-inflated to gain an edge. That’s cheating. You really think the ball boy did this on his own?

    NE beat Indy by nearly 40 and didn’t need to cheat but… they did.

  267. They have been systematically deflating footballs since 2007. That is why Brady lobbied for the rule change and that is why their fumbling statistics are such an outlier.

    as for the 12th football that wasn’t deflated – my hypothesis is it was used for special teams plays – punts and field goals. A deflated ball would hurt the punt distance and field goal distance/ accuracy. So they left one ball fully inflated for special teams plays.

  268. That might take a minute…..tops…….. Most people (especially guys) I think actually do it much faster.
    ===
    I actually timed myself last night while singing the alphabet song in my head to distract myself and not think about the time. The bathroom in question had a no-flush urinal and was slightly bigger than the room in question is.

    1:28 with no ball bags.

  269. Partiots fans are out in force. Most would agree–even Pats fans–that there are a higher number of Patriot haters then Patriot lovers. One would expect negative comments about the Pats to get a high number of thumbs up. Yet, negative Patriots comments here at PFT have an unusually high ratio of thumbs down. Clear sign Pats fans are stacking the deck.

  270. I’m a guy and just did a routine bathroom visit which always includes flushing, wash & dry hands. It took 84 seconds. If I had checked the mirror to make sure I didn’t have a cow lick…i’m sure it would have been 90+ seconds.

    What DennisT said above seems spot on as well.

  271. In no way could any reasonable person conclude that the “most obvious” explanation “Occums Razor” is an elaborate four way conspiracy between , Kraft,Brady, Belichick and a ball boy that involves a highly trained ninja ball boy who could deflate 12 balls IN TANDEM with stunning precision in 90 second0 in a restroom at home or on road every week for the last 8 years.

    Oooooorrrrrr it was just a combination of poor inspection practices, atmospheric conditions and measurement error. Way less sexy. Way more simple. Way more realistic. Everyone is telling the truth. Everything fits.

    it is not rocket science people.

  272. Bottom line is this should NOT have ended in a botched sting operation on the Patriots during AFC Championship.

    It should have lead to a common sense solution in short term ( A phone call to Walt Anderson telling him to make sure balls were up to spec) and a study and review of balls in multiple NFL stadiums under various atmospheric conditions under the supervision of trained scientists and subject to the sort of rigid scientific conditions that one would expect from a Multi-billion dollar corporation.

    Roger Goodell is the man most responsible here for this fiasco. He has turned the NFL into a hybrid of the WWE and Arena Football.

  273. More Patriots whiners… is that learned from the owner, or does he get it from the fans?

    No matter how it happened, the Patriots were caught breaking the rules. Again.

    They played with non-spec balls in the first half of the AFC CG.

    The rule book, which Brady and Bill told us they know so well clearly states the balls MUST be 12.5. They were not compliant.

    The penalty is coming…

  274. wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM
    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???
    ______________________________________

    maybe the kicker wanted one tighter

  275. wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM
    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???
    ______________________________________

    maybe the kicker wanted one tighter
    ===
    K-Balls.

    That is all.

  276. wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM
    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???
    ——————————————————————–

    He was in a rush and missed one ball.

  277. And now there is a Ram Players defending the Patriots in an Op-Ed in the Player’s Tribune.

  278. sbchampsagain says:
    Jan 28, 2015 3:38 PM
    More Patriots whiners… is that learned from the owner, or does he get it from the fans?

    No matter how it happened, the Patriots were caught breaking the rules. Again.
    ——————————————————————-

    In what Bizarro World of yours has ANYTHING been proven? Nobody had been caught red-handed. Nobody admitted to doing anything. No witnesses have come forward.

    Nothing has been proven except in haters heads, like yours.

  279. damcmp says:
    Jan 28, 2015 3:34 PM
    rapidly deflating 11 footballs each by the same 2 lbs is improbable
    ——————————————————————–

    We don’t know if they were all exactly 2psi under inflated. The NFL made a quick comment about balls being 2PSI under inflated, but we don’t know if some were 3 and some were 1. We have no details.

  280. The denial level here is OTC. Maybe in the shuffle of deflating 12 balls he missed one? Who takes footballs into the bathroom? Did anyone see Tom under throw Edlemann in 4th quarter by about 10 yards. No one was covering him. It wobbled. This is so shady its sad. Mark Sanchez could a beat the Colts Sunday. That’s not the point. Its squeezing every bit of possible advantage out of a game which often comes down to inches. If Russell Wilson is off by 18″ on the OT throw you might be playing the Packers Sunday.

  281. The kicker’s balls are held by the league. The 12th ball had nothing to do with the kicker. That so many people keep saying the 12th ball was for the kicker suggests they’re paying zero attention to the facts and just climbing on the “cheating” bandwagon because they want this to be about cheating.

    And that’s another thing. Since the league holds the kicker’s balls, it’s reasonable to conclude that tampering with ball inflation might give kickers an edge that could change a game outcome. Since the league doesn’t hold the offense’s balls, the league must not think anything the team does to the balls would affect the outcome of the game. When you compare the score in the first half of the Pats/Indy game with the underinflated balls to the score in the second half with the properly inflated balls, it’s obvious ball inflation made no difference.

  282. Wake up people. PSI is a measurement of air pressure in pounds per square inch. It is NOT WEIGHT.

    So many of these posts talk about lighter or heavier balls, and that is not the case.

  283. “Why would someone grab the balls and then go to the restroom? Unless he has a medical condition where he is hit with sudden uncontrollable urges, it makes no sense to grab the balls first. Handle your personal business and then go and get the balls.”

    ______________________________________

    So, your recommendation is to leave the footballs in the hall while he goes in to pee. The same footballs that your job was entrusted with? That seems worse than taking them in with you so you can keep them in your possession while you go pee before waiting hours for another chance to pee.. Context is everything. I’d bet this is the same story for 16 ball boys week in and week out..

  284. We don’t know if they were all exactly 2psi under inflated. The NFL made a quick comment about balls being 2PSI under inflated, but we don’t know if some were 3 and some were 1. We have no details.
    ===
    And we have subsequent comments saying that 10 balls were around 1 PSI low and only one was around 2 PSI low. So yeah… Who knows?

    Here’s the rub… If that is correct, environment alone can account for all of the change. Not only can it, but it must, because the gas law is not optional. If all of the pressure loss is due to natural causes, there is no room for any loss due to artificial means – thus there was no needle in the washroom.

  285. Will the Super Bowl footballs to checked more than once?
    I guess if the Pats fumble and Brady throws some picks … we will know the answer.

  286. Atmospheric conditions would affect the pressure in the ball by 0.5 PSI, at most. There is no way that the temperature or barometric pressure changed enough to affect the ball any more than that.

    The Likely scenarios are:

    THe balls were always under-inflated and the refs never checked pressures with a gauge.

    The Patriots cheated and the ball-boy did it

    Stay tuned. YMMV.

  287. Good. Fine them $25k per ball like the rule says. Hell take another draft pick from the Patriots, they were only going to trade it back for a late 3rd rounder anyway. The banners will reside in New England and everyone will think they cheat. Nothing new here. Just PLEASE MOVE ON!!

  288. Isn’t interesting how quickly Mike Florio and others tested how fast they could deflate 11 footballs but yet have not reported that they did Belichick’s temperature drop test and came up with totally different results than he did? Why report only on testing that points to possible guilt but not on testing that points to possible innocence? Did Florio and others not do the latter tests because they knew from 6th grade science that Belichick would be proved correct? Or did they do the tests and not report them when the results were consistent with Belichick’s? Just wondering.

  289. FAIL: An objective study by that lab at Carnegie Mellon stated the difference would be between 1.5-2.o PSI.

    This would be consistent with what would be physically expected considering 20 F temperature drop, drop in atmospheric pressure, drop in relative humidity and specific heat of air.

    Poor inspection, measurement error and atmospheric conditions. Simple. Straightforward. Elaborate covert conspiracy free. Logical. it’s really not hard.

  290. “rapidly deflating 11 footballs each by the same 2 lbs is improbable
    ——————————————————————–

    We don’t know if they were all exactly 2psi under inflated. The NFL made a quick comment about balls being 2PSI under inflated, but we don’t know if some were 3 and some were 1. We have no details.”

    To be honest, and I’m not for or against the Pats here, but from an engineering standpoint, I could come up with an 11psi check valve and needle pretty easily. Then all you have to do is pop the needle in the ball and it will quickly bleed it down to the desired pressure and stop. I could likely knock out 12 balls in no time.

    That said, I can’t imagine the kid did this in the bathroom. Was someone watching guard? What if someone came in the bathroom and saw the kid there with the balls. Doesn’t sound likely to me. It’s way too sloppy to be something someone put any actual thought into..

  291. billburke says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:05 PM
    Atlanta is cheating too!!!! They have even BETTER stats than the Patriots since 2007!

    2007-2014 fumblers per game 0.9625 for atlanta

    2007-2014 fumbles per game 0.9875 for Patriots

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Wow …. are you seriously?
    The Falcons only play 7 outdoor games.
    Hint … No rain … No snow.
    That’s means the ball is not slippery.

  292. Atmospheric conditions would affect the pressure in the ball by 0.5 PSI, at most. There is no way that the temperature or barometric pressure changed enough to affect the ball any more than that.
    ===

    Wrong. 1.1 PSI before accounting for wet leather. It’s .5 PSI if you use gauge pressure, which is incorrect. These types of calculations must be done on absolute pressure and temperature.

  293. The drop in atmospheric pressure was minimal over the course of the game. Only a tenth or two-tenths of a PSI.

  294. @smasonsmith

    Yes exactly. Plus the ideal gas law is just that “ideal”

    It does not account for other real world factors like atmospheric pressure changes, specific hear or (a big one0 changes in relative humidity.

    Also volume would not be fixed.

  295. To be honest, and I’m not for or against the Pats here, but from an engineering standpoint, I could come up with an 11psi check valve and needle pretty easily. Then all you have to do is pop the needle in the ball and it will quickly bleed it down to the desired pressure and stop. I could likely knock out 12 balls in no time.

    ===
    The accuracy of deflation is easy. The problem is mostly in ball management in a cramped space.

    The problem is that if you deflate a 70F ball to 11 PSIg, it’s going to fall further once you take out and it gets cold. It will fall another ~1.ish. Then you’ve got a ball that’s 2.5 PSIg low cold, and that wasn’t apparently observed. What has apparently been observed is a 1PSI drop in 11 balls – total. That can entirely be explained by environmental changes with no room for artificial air removal.

  296. Also volume would not be fixed.
    ===
    It is at these pressures. The volume is constrained by the leather and the stitching. These will stretch – some – but it will not be dominant.

  297. I should add that wetting the football will cause it to stretch more easily thus increasing in volume and decreasing in pressure. That is why I said “1.1 PSI before accounting for wet leather.”

    Got me now, Dennis?

  298. Its astounding how stupid some of you people are. If Brady or anyone intended to deflate these balls, every single gauge used by the NFL or its teams has a release valve or button. Stick it in, see the reading, push the button–BAM. You get exactly what you want. Dont believe me, google, you can buy them for less than $10. This needle idea is the guesswork of a total moron. It was done, and it was not done without Brady knowing. No one sane believes otherwise. Not even John Madden, whom I am sure it pained by this fiasco and would not add to in uninformed. Please. That being said, there has already been a million more times media coverage of this than it merits, but the Pats have only themselves to blame. What a disgrace.

  299. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:57 PM

    wow man, you are really stretching. They checked the pressure of the balls at halftime, and the multi billion dollar company with access to as many scientists as they want and they had NO CLUE about PV=nRT until today? No one in this billion dollar company knew a very simple equation that most common ppl know? So in order for your theories to be true- #1 we all know more about science than the scientists the NFL has access too, and #2 the pats and colts balls all deflated at the same rate and the NFL just, ya know, has decided to ignore that fact and keep investigating some wild goose chase and spend millions of dollars?

  300. 1slice01 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:51 PM

    BB said he “didnt know” that filming was wrong……… but i dont know how you make a $750K ‘mistake’ and have no idea how wrong it is. I dont like him, but he is a very smart man, playing the dumb card is ridiculous. And i have put up MANY facts about the rate of fumbling for players in a pats jersey and when not in a pats jersey. Another “coincidence” that co-insides with under inflated balls. Its like a team being accused over over inflating balls (which helps kickers kick it farther) and finding out every kicker on that team has a longer kick off ave distance than they do on any other team. Coincidence???? to pats fans, yes.

  301. Come Monday… It will be all right. Come Monday She’ll be holding you tight.

    Except it won’t. In The History of The Superbowl, no team has ever been handed a greater incentive to win than in this one. When I am disrespected… I double down, I get cranky, and I am unstoppable.

    Mike Kensil thought he was going to ‘get’ Belichick once and for all with this stunt. Whoopsie. Not only will The Patriots Coaching Staff use this insult to furious advantage for their team, they will also be recognized as targets in some little mans personal witch hunt.

    Pete Carroll has to be hating The League Office, The New York Jets, The Baltimore Ravens, John Harbaugh, and Mike Kensil for setting this poo storm in motion. He’s hating it because The New England Patriots have a spectacular and unprecedented reason to overwhelmingly win this game. There is no greater coaching gold than disrespect.

    When a rogue agent of the League office colludes with one team in the Conference Championship to influence The Officials, Set one team up for a ‘Sting’ and leak the results… That is Cheating. If Division/Conference Rivals are feeding this peculiar frenzy, That is Conspiracy.

    There is a Cheating Scandal wiping itself all over this SuperBowl, but it involves a bunch of teams that didn’t get there, and a dishonest agent for The League Office who is making it his lives work to ‘Target” one organization.

    For the integrity of The Game… The Patriots need to win this one. Big.

  302. one of two things are going to come of all this and these are why its stupid to argue: #1 there will be ‘insufficient’ evidence to conclude who was at fault and pats get off the hook. #2 is the pats are found guilty- and pats fans do what they did at spygate- claim it was the first time they did it and that it ‘really didnt even help them’ and ignorantly continue to think they deserved every win they have since brady came to town. Either way- pats fans will never admit they arent as good as they think- even if brady openly says “ive been deflating balls since 2007, it makes them a lot easier to handle in cold weather”. My theory is Goodell doesnt want to set a precedent like taking away wins or SB’s, hence why Specter said goodell flat out told him bill admited to taping since 2000 when he came to the pats and why goodell flat out admitted to specter that he burnned tapes since ‘they didnt matter’. B/c if those come out, goodell is forced to possibly take away SB’s- which is a huge step he didnt want to take.

  303. thelastwordyaheard says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:04 PM
    more of this garbage ..Brady played half of last season with a torn ligament in his throwing hand and you expect us to believe that he needs to deflate the ball to be effective ..enough already, it’s embarrassing

    ____________________

    Probably much easier to grasp and throw a deflated football with a torn ligament in your throwing hand?

  304. Without a video of this actually happening or a confession this is all a huge waste of time. Science shows what the Pats claim is plausible. All this 90 seconds in a restroom is the medias version of monkeys throwing poop against the wall. Sure it’s fun, but doesn’t accomplish anything.

  305. metlifeteardown said: “The denial level here is OTC. Maybe in the shuffle of deflating 12 balls he missed one? Who takes footballs into the bathroom? Did anyone see Tom under throw Edlemann in 4th quarter by about 10 yards. No one was covering him. It wobbled. This is so shady its sad.”
    =============

    Let me see – Tom Brady completes 12 of 14 passes in the second half and you pick one of his two incompletions – in the heavy rain and wind, no less – as evidence that Brady can’t properly throw a more fully inflated ball? Are you serious?

  306. They checked the pressure of the balls at halftime, and the multi billion dollar company with access to as many scientists as they want and they had NO CLUE about PV=nRT until today?
    ===

    Then explain why it took them a week and a half to call up their local physics department. I want to give you the credit you say they should be given. I really, really do. But when they screw up something this basic, it really makes them look like a pack of fools.

    Also: Stop talking about the Colts balls. They’re immaterial without knowledge of their PT condition before the game. Until we know that, we don’t know what they should have been at halftime. Assuming that you know what the ball should have been at halftime when you don’t know the initial conditions makes you look like an idiot. We know the Patriots wanted theirs at 12.5, with an unknown above room temp temperature. We know that some of the drops leaked are well within the natural and expected drop you would see given the environment.

    That’s all we know, because the investigation has either found nothing or leaked nothing.

  307. Also: Taping was legal in 2000. Face it buffalo: your team sucks because they suck. Footy Ryan isn’t going to help matters.

  308. There is no evidence that the balls were at the proper PSI before the game. The NFL doesn’t want to admit that they have not been properly checking the balls all these years.

  309. “We will never know” what the ballboy did in the bathroom for 90 seconds?

    …What if he did what he said he did to the officials that interviewed him? (Took a leak)

    Is he only telling truth if he says he was cheating? Doesn’t it sound like you’re leaving only one possibility (in this still ongoing investigation)..?

    How about instead of only a “deathbed confession”, it’s possible that a primary witness testifying on his own behalf can work. Did he plead the 5th?

  310. Okay all you ball experts!

    Explain this.

    24 balls used in the game. 12 Colts balls are all okay, 11 of the 12 Patriots balls are underinflated.

    Both played the same first half, in the same weather conditions, etc.

    WHY were 11 of the Patriots balls underinflated but the remaining 23 are not??

    AND after the balls were checked and either inflated or replaced at halftime (can’t remember what was said), how come ALL 24 balls were fine for the second half??

    This defies logic. Something happened, something had to have happened. So, did they inflate with hot air, which would dissipate quicker? Did they deflate after the balls were checked? Or, were they deliberately underinflated and the refs failed to do their job so they made it onto the field? Or did the Patriots somehow have 11 faulty balls that leaked air all on their own (this defies any logic)?

    SOMETHING had to have happened. It makes absolutely no sense otherwise. Now, if all 24 balls were underinflated, then we all wouldn’t even be here.

  311. ghjjf says:
    Jan 28, 2015 5:13 PM
    There is no evidence that the balls were at the proper PSI before the game. The NFL doesn’t want to admit that they have not been properly checking the balls all these years.

    —————————–
    ding! ding! ding! ding!!

    That is all that has happend here. NE prepared balls, delivered to refs; they squeeze, its good toss in the bag, squeeze, its good toss in the bag, etc. for all balls.

    Bag delivered to refs for game.

    Someone raises a stink.

    *Now* they check pressure and what?? they’re not at the legal PSI!! Has to be cheating!!

    As Bugs would say…”What a maroon!”

    And that is why NFL has not come out with anything since they’re trying to save face.

  312. Only the NFL would have a rule which the laws of nature could violate with no human assistance.

  313. Florio, if Kraft, Belichick and Brady sue someone for damages, let’s say a website, its parent company, and the NFL for defamation and monetary damages wouldn’t that suit likely get filed in state court in Massachusetts (where the Patriots do business, where the game in question was played, and where the NFL carried out its investigation)? The Plaintiffs would likely ask for a jury trial and the likelihood of Kraft, Belichick and Brady winning would be very high, with the Defendants’ counsel recommending his clients settle. I can see the award being astronomical given that Kraft warned that the team, coach and quarterback had been damaged and no risk mitigation was put in place by the Defendants who just continued with their defamation.

  314. Both played the same first half, in the same weather conditions, etc.

    WHY were 11 of the Patriots balls underinflated but the remaining 23 are not??

    AND after the balls were checked and either inflated or replaced at halftime (can’t remember what was said), how come ALL 24 balls were fine for the second half??
    ===
    On the first question: how about you go read the answer that’s given every other time this question gets asked? Learn something on your own.

    On the second: The ball is already cold. A football is about 400+ g of leather/rubber and 9 grams of air. Materials have a property called specific heat. That’s the amount of heat energy it takes to raise a specific mass by one degree. In the case of the football, the specific heat of leather, air, and rubber is all about the same. That means that to heat up a football you have to heat both the air and the leather. But there is at least an order of magnitude more leather to heat than there is air to heat. That leather and rubber is the major heat sink of a football.

    If you take a cold football and add a gram of hot air almost all of the heat in that air will go into raising the temperature of the leather/rubber slightly, while that of the air will fall a great deal. This is what happened at half time. Cold balls were taken in, and they began to warm slowly. After a few minutes, a gram or two of hot air was added to each cold ball. The balls warmed slightly by this, but were then taken outside, where they then fell a few degrees back to ambient.

  315. Deb goes to the head of the class again. The NFL’s bifurcated ball policy of securing only the kicking balls is de facto evidence that they were not taking their own “handbook” guideline very serious. We also have ball attendants that have reported that officials only handled balls and looked at the laces (we don’t know what they did in this game) during pregame inspections. Furthermore, the refs handled the ball before Brady on every play and were free to change it up if they were so inclined. Finally, the refs did change up the balls after the Colts raised an issue, Brady played better with increased air pressure (and worse weather conditions I might add), and there was no penalty on the field like one would see in baseball if an ump thought a ball was doctored.

  316. Former NFL quarterback Jeff Blake says he oversaw the deflation of footballs on the sideline right before games during his career. Speaking on The Midday 180 out of Nashville, Blake said the practice was common.

    “I’m just going to let the cat of the bag, every team does it, every game, it has been since I played,” Blake said. “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and let’s just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat.”

    “So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    Many other NFL quarterbacks have said the opposite, that they’ve never messed with the inflation of a ball or seen anyone do so. The topic has come to the forefront with the New England Patriots being investigated by the NFL due to allegations the team used underinflated footballs in the first half of the AFC Championship Game against the Indianapolis Colts.

    Asked to be specific about the timing of deflation, Blake said it regularly happened as soon as quarterbacks got the balls before the game.

    “As soon as they give them the balls,” Blake said. “On the sideline before the game. The quarterbacks would come out to warm-up in pregame … “I would just say, ‘Take a little bit out, it’s a little bit hard.’ And then they’d take a little bit out and I’d squeeze them and say ‘That’s perfect, that’s it.'”

    Blake played for seven teams in 13 seasons, starting 100 games. His longest tenure was six seasons with Cincinnati.

    His last year was 2005, so during his career when his team was on the road, Blake would not have handled the footballs until pregame.

  317. The bottom line is the Patriots cheated so that Tom Brady could have a competitive advantage in a championship football game. Air was let out of the balls to give the Pats an unfair advantage. Wow! Maybe that’s what the NFL has come to. Maybe everybody is cheating. Maybe. But this Patriots team will go down in history as cheaters, and many will not put Brady up there with the all time great QBs because he was caught cheating.

  318. Since everyone keeps asking:

    Pats balls start at 12.5 (legal), lose 1psi – 11.5 (illegal)

    Colts balls start at 13.5 (legal), lose 1psi – 12.5 (legal)

    This is like 1st grade math, people…

    The only thing wrong with this picture is why the NFL has a rule about ball pressure that ignores the laws of physics. Why not just start them all at 13.0 and be done with it?

  319. How stupid is this!
    Two teams playing each other use different balls … You are asking for trouble.
    Stop blaming the Pats and blame the right people … the NFL.

  320. Does anyone else believe the balls were not even tested properly? All I keep seeing is “the ball boy did this”, “the Patriots are cheating”, “the weather did it”, “Brady told him to”…..I think we’re looking more and more that it is POSSIBLE that the balls are never checked probably, and haven’t been for years

  321. Right now we have a bunch of media reports, but if all of what is said is true, there is a butt load of circumstantial evidence on which to convict the Patriots, Belichick and Brady.
    1) NFL Refs tested balls before the game and they met requirements.
    2)NFL Refs tested balls at half time and Colts balls were within limits but Patriots balls were deflated by 2 PSI below the minimum.
    3) NFL Refs re-inflated balls at half and retested them at the end of the game and all stayed within limits.
    4) Colts had raised concerns earlier in the season when they play Patriots about ball deflation.
    5) Ravens had raised concerns during Wild Card game about deflation.
    6)Brady is on record saying he likes under inflated balls.
    7)Video of locker room attendant taking balls into bathroom for 90 seconds.
    8)Proof from independent testing that deflating 11 balls can easily be done in 90 seconds.
    9) Character of team: Patriots known for trying to get whatever advantage they can and have been caught cheating and fined by league in the past.
    10)Character of Individuals: Belichick named in a divorce suit as having cheated with another guys wife. Brady walked out on 3 month pregnant girlfriend for a newer model.

    If all this is true…enough said, enough to preponderance for sure

  322. Its nice to see some reasonable people on this site FINALLY! I dont care about the Loser haters…… Pats are better than your team so lets cling to a BS “cheating” scandal. Pathetic if you ask me.

    SPYGATE :
    FACT – It is not illegal or against any rules to video tape defensive signals during a game.
    FACT – the rule that was broken and punishment was handed down for video taping from field level.
    FACT – Video of signals (if used) and defensive substitutions still happens to this day, but is done from authorized video taping areas in the stadium.
    FACT – 80% of fans have no idea what “spygate” was. and alot of the whinny ex players (Ray Lewis, Marshall Faulk, ect) DONT KNOW EITHER!
    FACT – Goodell was pissed at the Patriots for ignoring the memo about making sure nobody as taping from field level.
    FACT – Mangini who turned in the Patriots has since done interviews stating many teams did it, including his Jets. And he was angry at Bill for not allowing him to take some assistants with him to the Jets when he took the job. Regrets the whole thing because it basically black balled him for NFL jobs for years.

    There, felt the need to let people know he facts. As far as the ball thing goes. I dont think we will ever know what exactly happened. But I have heard more than 1 interview over the last 10 days of equipment managers and locker room guys who say the REFS dont normally check the balls with a gauge. I figure they didnt this time but I dont imagine anyone will admit that because they may get fired for it.

    Also, I believe if there was foul play by a lockeroom employee you wouldnt have seen Bill Tom and Bob Kraft all double down and basically call out the NFL on this investigation. They would have kept quiet if they knew someone did something. THEY ARENT STUPID! Kraft didnt make millions by being a complete idiot……. and that press conference would be complete STUPIDITY if something had happened.

  323. This will be like the fantasy tape of the Rams practice, the Pats will win this game but the trolls will always be calling “cheaters” even though there clearly won’t be reduced air pressure in the big game.

    Don’t let the truth get in the way of your denial, eh fellas?

  324. If all this is true…enough said, enough to preponderance for sure
    ===
    Sure… if you ignore all the physics that explains why this could happen without any human intervention it’s definitely a perponderance. The problem is that that’s like determining the winner of a lawsuit before the respondent has had a chance to make his case. Once you actually consider the physical forces at work, the league looks like a bunch of goobers.

  325. If what Jeff Blake says is true, and it makes sense (why else would they give only the game balls back to the teams and let the teams use their own balls), all of the clowns (Florio, Polian, Pagano, Harbaugh, Mortensen, Aikmen, Madden, Brunell) pointing the finger at the Patriots are either clueless or guys that intentionally slandered a team, its coach, and its quarterback.

    Question for the haters. Why would Jeff Blake lie?

  326. smasonsmith says:
    Jan 28, 2015 6:50 PM
    Does anyone else believe the balls were not even tested properly?
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    Yes.

    Good lawyers go after the process when their clients have been accused and under investigation. From what we know the NFL process was weak, internal controls almost nonexistent, and the prosecution selective. Keep laughing at Kraft, guys, a good lawyer (and he knows them) will tear the NFL a new one.

    It could be worse than just a poor job of investigative due diligence on the NFL’s part. The evidence (as reported, and that’s far from being factual for certain) appears to support a finding that there was a conspiracy between the Ravens, Colts, and certain individuals within the NFL to harm the Patriots. The leaks make it even worse.

    Kraft, is no fool.

  327. rayfla says:
    Jan 28, 2015 2:57 PM

    So if all you haters believe the pats have done this all year where is the film of the ballboy leaving with the balls and going into a private room for both home and away games for all 16 games plus playoffs. That’s right there is no film cause it didn’t happen. Morons!!!!!

    ________________________________

    While something that never happened obviously can’t be on video that doesn’t mean if it’s not on video it didn’t happen. And you call others morons?

    I still have yet to see Carnegie Mellon (or anyone else) provide a test that explains how 1 ball out of 12 loses less pressure than the others while being exposed to the same conditions. Since the prevailing reason people have for the Colts balls not being under the limit was they were inflated more to begin with and the one that was lowest was in their possession and could have been tampered with, it seems to me the 12th ball is the best evidence of tampering. Why would there be one exception to the laws of physics? That said I still wouldn’t call that proof they cheated. I’m waiting for the official results of the investigation to be released. I predict that all that’s going to happen is a change in how the NFL handles the chain of custody issue. The balls will be in the Leagues control from delivery to game time and all teams will play with the same balls. They’ve been too lax thinking this would never come up. Now that it’s happened protocol will change. The Pats got caught chewing gum in class and now nobody gets to.

  328. Smason I read your post and I agree with what you said. I was just making point some of those smaller factors could account in aggregate for a significant amount of pressure loss. The wet ball would definitely lead to increased volume further pressure loss.

  329. “So, your recommendation is to leave the footballs in the hall while he goes in to pee. The same footballs that your job was entrusted with? That seems worse than taking them in with you so you can keep them in your possession while you go pee before waiting hours for another chance to pee..”

    ======================

    No, the first and obvious suggestion is to go to the bathroom BEFORE even retrieving the heavily regulated Championship footballs from the officials’ room, where they had just been locked down for 2 hours with a guard posted outside.

    What would be truly bizarre and improbable, is that this locker attendant, with the singular job of taking the most scrutinized balls in the world quickly and directly to the sidelines, got the SUDDEN AND UNDENIABLE URGE immediately after leaving the officials’ room with the balls, and could not wait until the balls were safely brought to the sidelines.

    If this absurdity did truly happen, the next best suggestion would be to to leave the balls guarded in view of cameras, while he went to the bathroom, or to ask someone else to take them to the sidelines. This should all be obvious to anyone given the context of the rigorous NFL security procedures in place for these pre-game balls (look them up if you are unfamiliar).

  330. edgarpoe3 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:06 PM
    If the reports are true, it looks like a lot of circumstantial evidence is piling up; so, it doesn’t matter if every single person on the Patriots sideline denies anything happened, there is enough to convince a rational person that the balls were tampered with to gain an advantage over the opponents.

    Unless there’s an equally plausible explanation which fits the circumstances and doesn’t involve tampering. And there is….

  331. speckers says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:25 PM
    “Its called mother nature. If balls dont deflate in rain and a cooler climate then something is wrong”

    Only the New England balls were deflated!!!!!! Jesus people!!!

    Oh my God! Dude, it’s so simple: we don’t know whether or not the Colts balls deflated because we don’t know, and the NFL is saying, what their pre-game psi was.

    In fact, we don’t know if the Pats balls really de-flated. All we know is that they were under-inflated at halftime. To say they were de-flated we’d need to know their pre-game psi when the ref’s “inspected” them.

  332. Ok you proved you could deflate them in 90 seconds…. What about the accuracy of your reporting??? Remember he would have not been doing a speed drill but would have wanted to have them all the same….. I would bet the one you deflated quickly we’re not even close to be at the same pressure…… Without a camera in the bathroom you only have very thin circumstantial evidence …i do not see the ball boy being in that much of a hurry,

  333. Florio, given the wall to wall coverage of Deflategate, why have you not posted the Jeff Blake comments? The comments appear to be exculpatory in that they provide evidence that the air pressure guidelines in the handbook were not only not enforced, teams were encouraged to get the game balls to their liking (but not the kicking balls). Not surprising given the NFL likes offense and likes to facilitate the passing game.

  334. The one certainty is that Patriots’ fans will never admit their team MAY have cheated again, Spygate or no Spygate.

  335. I read your post and I agree with what you said. I was just making point some of those smaller factors could account in aggregate for a significant amount of pressure loss. The wet ball would definitely lead to increased volume further pressure loss.
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    Those other factors absolutely could lead to pressure loss beyond the 1.1 PSI due to temperature.

  336. The one certainty is that Patriots’ fans will never admit their team MAY have cheated again, Spygate or no Spygate.
    ===

    And if the NFL comes out next Tuesday and says, “Yep. Our investigation says it was all weather-related. The physicists we spoke to recreated the results in the lab. They also said that any air being let out in the bathroom would have been on top of weather-related reasons,” will you accept it, or will you start complaining about a cover-up?

  337. Interesting that PFT and NFL.com have not picked up the Jeff Blake story but that other networks and websites did over 3 hours ago.

  338. And if the NFL comes out next Tuesday and says, “Yep. Our investigation says it was all weather-related. The physicists we spoke to recreated the results in the lab. They also said that any air being let out in the bathroom would have been on top of weather-related reasons,” will you accept it, or will you start complaining about a cover-up?

    That’s impossible because the maximum a ball can be inflated is 13.5 psi. If it was weather-related, the Indianapolis balls would have dropped the 2 psi as well and been under the required 12.5 minimum. None – zero – of the Indy balls were under 12.5 psi at half-time.

    The ‘weather excuse’ is a total red herring when only one set of balls was affected, and inside you know that.

  339. tigerlilac says: Jan 28, 2015 8:15 PM

    Florio, given the wall to wall coverage of Deflategate, why have you not posted the Jeff Blake comments? The comments appear to be exculpatory in that they provide evidence that the air pressure guidelines in the handbook were not only not enforced, teams were encouraged to get the game balls to their liking (but not the kicking balls). Not surprising given the NFL likes offense and likes to facilitate the passing game.
    =====================
    Tiger, It doesn’t fit the agenda here. Feeding the trolls and haters makes Florio money. Otherwise this would not have been much of a story to begin with. There is some irony to all those willingly ignoring some basic facts of the situation complaining about “integrity”.

  340. routerunning says: Jan 28, 2015 9:00 PM

    And if the NFL comes out next Tuesday and says, “Yep. Our investigation says it was all weather-related. The physicists we spoke to recreated the results in the lab. They also said that any air being let out in the bathroom would have been on top of weather-related reasons,” will you accept it, or will you start complaining about a cover-up?

    That’s impossible because the maximum a ball can be inflated is 13.5 psi. If it was weather-related, the Indianapolis balls would have dropped the 2 psi as well and been under the required 12.5 minimum. None – zero – of the Indy balls were under 12.5 psi at half-time.

    The ‘weather excuse’ is a total red herring when only one set of balls was affected, and inside you know that.
    =================================
    Except for the report on Sunday stating that the balls were closer to 1 psi below than 2. The only ball that was 2 psi below was the one that was handed over by the Colts after it was intercepted.

  341. This is my last comment. I’m a pretty objective guy. I think Belichick is the best coach in the NFL and I think he runs circles around other teams in the draft as well.

    But when I hear Tom Brady say a 12.5 psi ball is “perfect” for him…and then say two minutes later I can’t tell the difference between a 12.5 psi and a 10.5 psi ball during a game, you have to chuckle. And when I hear that weather affected one complete set of footballs, but none of the footballs for the other team you have to chuckle again.

    I don’t think all Patriots’ fans are like Lance Armstrong (deny, deny, deny). But the ones on this site are.

  342. The Jeff Blake story is tough for the NFL and PFT (NBC) because it not only coming from a guy who played for seven teams it highlights for them that more guys will start talking, just to clear the air or under oath. I expect they both thought the leaks would come from the Patriots. The NFL will need to get over:

    Hurdle #1: They need to prove the process is reliable (the science and reporting indicates it is not)

    Hurdle #2: They need the facts to show the balls were intentionally doctored (a guy in a bathroom for 90 seconds is very weak evidence)

    Hurdle #3: They need the facts to show the balls were intentionally doctored with the knowledge of someone with authority (a huge legal obstacle that corporations use to their benefit in litigation defense)

    Hurdle #4: They need the facts to show the difference in air pressure was material and the Patriots gained an advantage (how do you do that when the Colts say it did not impact the game and when the Patriots played better with the balls reinflated)

    Hurdle #5: They need to show this is not a selective prosecution intended to harm the Patriots or to make up for weak action by Goodell in the past (again the Jeff Blake story and others like it would be compelling evidence)

    Hurdle #6: They need the other owners to be willing to knife Bob Kraft

  343. routerunning says: Jan 28, 2015 9:22 PM

    This is my last comment. I’m a pretty objective guy. I think Belichick is the best coach in the NFL and I think he runs circles around other teams in the draft as well.

    But when I hear Tom Brady say a 12.5 psi ball is “perfect” for him…and then say two minutes later I can’t tell the difference between a 12.5 psi and a 10.5 psi ball during a game, you have to chuckle. And when I hear that weather affected one complete set of footballs, but none of the footballs for the other team you have to chuckle again.

    I don’t think all Patriots’ fans are like Lance Armstrong (deny, deny, deny). But the ones on this site are.
    —————————————————
    The last report on the pats’ footballs stated that they were closer to 1 psi below the minimum than 2. I have yet to read a report stating what the psi’s of the colts footballs were before or after the 1st half. Without that info, we know nothing.

    I’m a tech and I do tech support that often involves operator error. Unfortunately, I have become quite accustomed to variables. There a great deal of variables based on the information we have at this point, not to mention the conflicting reports.
    Nobody wants their team condemned without all the facts. If everyone wants to condemn the Pats, then they need to condemn Rodgers, Carolina, Vikings, and the Bengals (Blake) as well. The inconsistency and cherry picking of information speaks volumes of those who post here.

    Any push back from Pats fans, with weather and physics, is appropriate until the Colts’ psi numbers are given.

  344. Any corporation confronted with serious accusations does its own investigation. The Pats certainly must have. They undoubtedly looked at all the videos and interviewed players, coaches and staff. It’s clear from the statements that Belichick and Kraft made that their investigators found no wrongdoing. I also think that Kraft has sources in the NFL that are at least as good as Florio’s, Glazer’s, etc. My guess is that those sources have told him that the refs merely inspected the balls but did not pressure check them (they were probably watching the Packers-Seahawks game). Armed with that or other exculpatory info, Kraft probably tried to get Goodell to make that info known and clear the Pats before the Super Bowl. When Goodell refused, Kraft got ticked and gave his statement. The apology he is looking for is not for the fact that the NFL is investigating but for the fact that they are extending it just to be sure that no evidence of any wrongdoing will turn up later. I think this scenario ties together statements from all the parties as well as the latest leaks re the refs not pressure checking the balls.

  345. Wizardofgronk said, “So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???”

    Pretty sure Gostkowski doesn’t want to kick a deflated ball.

  346. Deb, much respect to your. I have read your posts for years, and look for them frequently. You are a classy and passionate Steelers fan.

  347. Twelve hours since the last deflategate thread was posted to PFT and no Jeff Blake thread. It looks like the parent company’s legal department has taken over.

  348. Jeff Blake hasn’t played in a decade. Who knows whether the same rules even existed in 2005 as far as ball pressure. Every modern-day QB, including Tom Brady, says that air is not intentionally removed from footballs making them no longer comply with the rules. If Blake was playing under the existing ‘team ball rules’ introduced in 2006 his comments might be relevant. But he wasn’t; he was retired.

  349. Given the climate and the expectation of recrimination, current players (with rare exceptions) are not going to admit to wrongdoing. These guys are not Ralph Fiennes in Quizz Show. Of course Blake’s comments are relevant, he is relatively free to talk compared to guys that play now or who now have jobs in the media and risk losing their livelihoods. Blake’s comments also explain the bifurcated NFL policy of giving game balls back to teams (with a wink and a nod) but not kicking balls. The quality control was the ref who handles the ball on every play, not a strict adherence to the handbook guideline. It is as American as apple pie to get up in front of the world and point the finger at someone despite being guilty as sin yourself (Henry Hyde, Newt Gingrich) when it fits your agenda.

  350. wizardofgronk says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM
    So why exactly did he only deflate 11 balls???

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Because he got sloppy and made a mistake. Did you watch the video from the NYDN? I thought that guy would make a mistake at some point because he didn’t take all the balls out and then put them back in. Saved a few seconds, but makes it more likely you’ll miss a ball.

  351. hamiltos777 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 12:07 PM
    Oh good God.

    Or he took a whiz before heading out onto the field for 3 hours.

    Occam’s Razor.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    He took a piss, and then took the balls out of the locker onto the field

    Or, he took the balls, dragged them into the bathroom with him, dragging the ball bag unnecessarily through the piss and slime on the bathroom floor.

    Occam’s Razor.

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