If the Patriots cheated, they’re hardly alone

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With the Patriots preparing to embark on their fourth Super Bowl victory parade, a pending investigation eventually could dump plenty of after-the-fact rain on it.  As former Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said Monday on PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, the outcome of the #DeflateGate investigation could result in the placement of an asterisk on the latest Lombardi Trophy.

But at a time when anyone who doesn’t like the Patriots is quick to point out that, between Spygate, #DeflateGate, and the lingering fumes of the retracted Boston Herald report regarding the videotaping of the St. Louis walk-through before Super Bowl XXXVI, all four trophies are tainted, let’s be fair to the Patriots.  If what they do is cheating, plenty of teams have cheated over the years.

In the 1990s, the Broncos won Super Bowl trophies in 1997 and 1998 with the assistance of salary-cap violations from 1996 through 1998.  Denver eventually lost a third-round pick, paid a whopping $950,000 fine, and a still-unnamed agent and a player donated $100,000 to charity.  Does anyone ever say those two Lombardis are tarnished?

Per a league source, the NFL currently is investigating four total cases of game-integrity violations.  Three are known:  #DeflateGate, the Browns’ sideline-texting scandal, and the Falcons’ crowd-noise controversy.

Others have occurred in recent years.  In 2012, the Chargers were fined $20,000 in connection with the use of a towel that may or may not have carried a prohibited substance on it.  (The team eventually claimed it was fined not for using the towel but for not surrendering the evidence quickly enough.)

In 2010, the Broncos self-reported that an employee had videotaped a portion of the San Francisco walk-through practice before a game between the two teams in London.  The Broncos were fined $50,000 for the violation; former head coach Josh McDaniels was fined $50,000 for not reporting the violation.

Also in 2010, the Jets were fined $100,000 for the wall of humanity former strength coach Sal Alosi placed along the sideline during a punt play to impede former Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll.  Few believed Alosi was acting on his own or without the knowledge of former special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff or former head coach Rex Ryan.

And these are simply the things the public knows about.  Who knows how many investigations and sanctions ultimately have been hidden over the years?

Then there’s the rampant violation of the injury-reporting rules by NFL teams.  Rarely, the NFL fines a team that has been caught with both hands flat on the bottom of the cookie jar.  Even then, punishment happens reluctantly; more than five years ago, the league imposed $125,000 in fines only after Brett Favre continued to talk (and talk . . . and talk) about the late-season biceps injury that the Jets had consistently failed to disclose the prior year.

Then there’s tampering.  It’s rampant.  It’s laughable.  It’s so bad that the NFL eventually created a three-day legal tampering period.  And it will continue to occur long before that annual three-day window opens.

Indeed, this year one of the biggest victims of the rampant tampering in the NFL will be (you guessed it) the Patriots.  With cornerback Darrelle Revis under contract for 2015 and due $20 million fully guaranteed if he’s on the roster at the outset of the new league year in March, it would be foolish to assume that the assessment of New England’s best offer on a long-term contract won’t include information of the amounts other teams would pay if Revis doesn’t return to the Patriots.

It’ll be Lawyer Milloy all over again, with the player having full knowledge about what other teams will pay before making a final decision on whether to stay with the Patriots.

So in some way or another, everyone cheats.  It’s not an excuse for the Pats, it’s the reality of the NFL.  And it’s unfair to wag a finger only at the Patriots.  In one way or another, fingers should be wagged at most if not all of the 32 NFL franchises.

UPDATE 4:06 p.m. ET:  The Chargers ultimately prevailed on appeal, avoiding the $20,000 fine.

243 responses to “If the Patriots cheated, they’re hardly alone

  1. Its on you if you don’t take any advantage you can get. Yeah, thats right. The other guy is doing it too. And thats just the way it is.

  2. It’s like speeding out on the highway. You tell the cop who pulled you over others are doing it. He says I can’t catch them all. He writes you a ticket.

  3. How many teams encourage a culture of cheating?

    The pats hired mcdaniels back after he got caught doing EXACTLY what the Pats were found guilty of. A man of class (ahem, Robert Kraft) doesn’t let that guy back in the building.

    The Falcons? Anyone notice dimitroff and pioli are old Pats guys? Nope, no culture of cheating in NE at all.

    I highly doubt anyone thinks their team is 100% on the up and up, but how many organizations have repeated violations for the same thing?

  4. There is as yet no evidence of cheating by anyone in this instance, only leaks, innuendo, and media hype. A lot of hard data and analysis must be forthcoming for the League to make any case, no matter how much Goodell wants it to. And where is the investigation of the leaks?

  5. Oh, what a crock! Just because there are other teams and/or players who have violated the rules, doesn’t make it okay. Why not just throw the whole dang rule book out the window and turn it into a free-for-all?!

  6. We’re not alone excuse didn’t serve the Saints any good for Bounty gate. Teams had locker room bounties for decades.

  7. Meh, if not cheating means that you pretend to defecate a football on the field and start a fight because you can’t win the Superbowl, than I guess being ‘honest’ isn’t worth much.

  8. Right now though based on what’s been leaked, it is at least equally likely that one or more other entities are liable to be the recipients of the storm.

  9. None of the stuff mentioned above bothers me. Deflate gate is still a witch hunt. One ball 2 psi under that was in the colts possession for 10 minutes right up to the gm’s office. The rest were barely under due to weather. I was an aircraft mechanic in the military and we filled the tires w/ nitrogen for that specific reason.

    Brady and Belichick best combo in History!

  10. The Patriots get heat because others (their fans, media) so often hold them up as examples of winning “the right way”, and they are so pompous and arrogant – see Kraft’s recent statement re Deflategate.

  11. Had they just fessed up and paid the $25k fine on day one, the story would have come and gone in an instant.

    Instead, like Martha Stewart with her petty insider trading situation, they denied and dodged and weaved and turned it into a major issue. Martha ended up doing two years, not for insider trading, but for obstruction of justice.

    I doubt very much that at the end of this fiasco, the Patriots will have the option of paying the fine and moving on. That’s the price of making a monster out of a molehill.

  12. Except for Dallas and Washington, who suffered salary cap repercussions, for actually NOT cheating.

  13. I CAN’T BELIEVE THE PATRIOTS HAVE 4 SHINY LOMBARDI TROPHIES.

    AND THE ONE FROM 2001 IS JUST AS SHINY AS THE ONE WON ON SUNDAY! WOW!

    LIKE A POLISHED DIAMOND IN FACT. I THINK THEY POLISH THEM ALL UP EVERY DAY.

    DISCUSS.

  14. “You forgot about the Giants having access to the Vikings’ radio communications in the 2000 NFC Championship.”

    You’re going to need a tinfoil hat to keep the aliens from listening to your thoughts.

  15. There are no asterisks on anyone trophies. You might wish there were but when I look at the record book it just says won the super bowl. And when I look at those trophies, they are as shiny as anyone elses. Everything else is just talk.

  16. The NFL had no problem wagging a finger (And a bat) only at the Saints … since we’re talking about fairness

  17. Poor, poor Patriot haters. Such deluded souls.
    To think you actually believed your team belongs on the same field as the World Champion Patriots.

    Watch the parade today and watch what happened to a team that plays the game right. Believing in themselves and each other. A team with a never say quit attitude.

    Hope you enjoy it! 🙂

  18. I think the commissioner and this administration have proven themelves so gullible that teams feel they can get away with it.

  19. “A lot of hard data and analysis must be forthcoming for the League to make any case …”

    No. Sorry, but the NFL is a business. This is a business matter, and not a legal one. Judiciary rules of evidence and rights simply don’t apply any more there than they would at GE or Hooters.

  20. Nobody trusts the Pats or believes in what they stand for, only their local homers can buy all their crap about being honest and not knowing anything. It’s called denial, a warm safe place for Pats fans to hide.

    Enjoy your parade, I hope none of the vehicles tires don’t deflate.

  21. Vikings: Piping in crowd noise, caught on tape illegally heating game balls on sideline during a game.

    Panthers: Caught on tape illegally heating game balls on sideline during a game.

    Niners: Numerous salary cap violations, notorious during Walsh-Montana era for faking headset problems to force opposing team to turn theirs off so Montana could run scripted drives against a defense that couldn’t get adjustments from coaches.

    Giants: Fake synchronized cramping on defense to get free timeouts, cheating draft system to land Eli Manning, LT admitting to routinely submitting urine from other teammates to pass drug/PED tests.

    Colts: Piping in crowd noise, truly despicable “Suck for Luck” campaign that was so obvious it would make NBA teams blush, trying to frame Patriots for deflating single game football touched by Colts equipment staff following 4 consecutive blowout losses.

    The list goes on and on and on. The funniest part is that while the Patriots are almost certainly innocent of Deflategate, all sorts of dirt just keeps coming out about other teams. The scandal is basically a league-wide suicide pact.

  22. The footballs were deflated by a few “ticks”. To me, a tick is an ounce. If the footballs were only deflated by a couple ounces, then Deflategate isn’t an investigation into cheating, it’s a witch hunt.

  23. Once the evidence is found that the Colts deliberately trying to deflated the Patriots football and frame the team, I wonder what the Patriots will do with the extra draft picks coming from the Dolts?

    Another weapon for Brady?

    More OL depth?

    Shore up that DL?

    WOW. SO MANY TASTY CHOICES… I CAN’T DECIDE

  24. In Kansas City people are well aware that the Broncos cheated the salary cap to obtain their tainted Lombardis. By cheating the cap, they were able to steal Neil Smith away from the Chiefs for those two years, and defeated them head-to-head in the playoffs in a close game one of those years.

    The Broncos are every bit the cheating team that the Patriots are. But their biggest scandal happened before the age of social media.

  25. In one way or another, fingers should be wagged at most if not all of the 32 NFL franchise.
    =========================
    Yeah, that’s what I said as it pertained to the Bounty fiasco which was obviously BS to begin with and a way out for the NFL in the concussion lawsuits propaganda.

  26. It was hilarious during the ESPN Super Bowl pregame when Trent Dilfer called out the 49ers for hiding players on IR to cheat the cap and watching Steve Young get super defensive by saying, “Don’t do that. Don’t go there.” Pretty funny when those pointing fingers get a taste of it right back at them.

  27. And no they didn’t do anything to the footballs that was illegal. There has not been any actual evidence presented to prove otherwise. This is just a smear campaign plain and simple.

  28. How did the Steeler’s of the 70’s cheat?
    How did the Niner’s of the 80’s cheat?
    How did the Cowboys of the 90’s cheat?
    How did the Giants who beat the Patriots twice cheat?
    How did the Packers in 2011 cheat?
    And the list goes on and on. This is a joke of an article trying to justify the Patriots and their culture of cheating. What deflategate and spygate really underscore is those are the ways in which the Patriots were caught, what are they getting away with?

  29. And here comes the “see everyone does it so we don’t have to punish the Pats’… cover up

  30. Though the Patriots won clean one can argue they got to that game through cheating. Well the Saints beat the Colts clean and didn’t even touch Peyton Manning, but those proven bounties directly affected the Cardinals and Vikings games in injuring their QBs en route to winning the NFC, yet no one calls for an asterisk for them.

    I’m starting to lighten my stance against the Pats honestly.

  31. Yeah, there’s no asterisks. I’ve seen the trophies myself. Just nice, shiny Lombardi trophies. No asterisks in any record books, just championships.

  32. Tampering may be the second-favorite cause of some folks, but it’s hardy the same thing as cheating on the field. More like a legal technicality.

  33. Foozie:
    Well, if that’s true, then why are the Patriots the only ones getting caught, repeatedly?
    _______________________________

    They aren’t getting caught repeatedly. They were caught for Spygate, admitted to it, and paid the penalty. They haven’t been found to have done anything for Deflategate. The more info that comes out, it’s looking less and less like the Patriots did anything wrong, although we’ll have to wait for the official word from the NFL. But I’m sure we’ll be waiting on that for a while.

    The Broncos paid a bigger fine for salary cap violations (in 2001 and 1996-1998). That’s a huge violation, because they signed guys other teams couldn’t afford because they followed the salary cap rules. The Broncos didn’t. And they won 2 Super Bowls because of it. They violated the salary cap in multiple years. Why aren’t you all over them for cheating?

  34. Amazing! The Pats admittedly put a camera in the wrong place and taped what all the other teams were taping. They were punished and it became known as Spygate and was overly dramatized and amounted to nothing.

    They were accused of taping a practice which was later dropped….the Boston Herald admitted their information was incorrect. They have been accused of deflating balls which not only has not been proven but has created incredible misinformation which may lead to others in other organizations being punished for attempting to discredit them.

    What else you got??????

  35. Don’t forget the New York Giants players having phantom heart attacks during plays to stop the clock a few years back.

    Or my personal favorite, Jerome Simpson throwing himself 75 yards to draw an unnecessary roughness penalty on Scott Fujita who did nothing but walk past him. (look it up if you haven’t seen it).

  36. But over in Boston we are the best at it.

    Cheated to four SuperBowl victories. No one else can say that.

    We just get caught and the league looks the other way. Spygate no big deal because we have an inside man.

    Goodell Kraft connection is gold and everyone else is jealous.

    You are all fools because you can not beat our cheating ways. This is the Cheater Football League and the Patroits are the best.

  37. Actually Denver got caught circumventing the salary cap twice. After they were caught the first time they did it again. They paid a $950,000 fine and then a $985,000 fine.

  38. I just checked the NFL website. It indicates that the New England Patriots have won 4 Superbowls. I don’t see any asterisks at all. As a matter of fact I don’t see any asterisks by any of the teams.

    #asterisksgate

  39. Did any of the other team are repeat offenders?
    PATS find other ways to cheat if one is closed. Their mentality seems to be win at any cost for which cheating/flirting with rules are ok.
    Fine, Draft picks are not enough. Like Saints, PATS coach, QB should be suspended for a year.

  40. tavisteelersfan says: Feb 4, 2015 9:59 AM

    Had they just fessed up and paid the $25k fine on day one, the story would have come and gone in an instant.

    Instead, like Martha Stewart with her petty insider trading situation, they denied and dodged and weaved and turned it into a major issue. Martha ended up doing two years, not for insider trading, but for obstruction of justice.

    I doubt very much that at the end of this fiasco, the Patriots will have the option of paying the fine and moving on. That’s the price of making a monster out of a molehill.
    ___________________________________

    Exactly!
    If (yes, that’s a big ‘if’) they are guilty, then I find the lying about it and the feigned ignorance worse than the offense.

    (My goodness, the world must be coming to an end if I just agreed with a Steeler fan.)

  41. What the Saints did in Bountygate was no different from what plenty other teams had done to that point, and yet they still got slammed….so should the Patriots.

  42. You don’t have to dig too deep to notice that the roots on this tree seem to go all the way to Foxboro. Look at the examples that you cited. There’s a link to the Pats in almost every one. Or does it go beyond that back to ———-?

  43. Wow. You guys don’t get it. The point of the article isn’t that it’s ok since everyone else does it. It’s for all of you with pitchforks and screaming “asterisk”, don’t feel too high and mighty because whether you know or not, your teams done it too in one way or another. Like Jim Mora said. “You think you know but you don’t know and you never will”. Notice how no other team is really jumping all over this? Because everyone’s got skeletons in their closets and dirty laundry. The cherry on top of all this was Super Bowl post game and Dilfer absolutely owning Cris Carter about everything else all these other teams have done. Go look it up if you haven’t seen it. I’m the furthest thing from a Patriots fan but those of you all over this are so bias and have such an agenda. I think BB just played Shake It Off for two weeks at practice cuz the haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate…

  44. After all the self-serving, malicious and incessant blogs about Deflategate and NOW this? Who do you guys think you’re kidding? You contributed to an utterly ruined Super Bowl pregame coverage for two weeks to the point where I hope I can find a less-opinionated and disparaging rumor mill.

    I just want the intel. Your opinions and malcontent are borderline out of control.

  45. People who still think the deflategate thing is real are fairly ignorant to the reports of the last 4-5 days. This really looks like nothing more than the colts trying to derail them with a media frenzy based on the leaks of the GM who had in his posession the one single ball that apparently was deflated by more than a few ticks. If anything this currently looks worse for the colts than the pats.

  46. At this point I don’t care anymore if they cheated or not… what bothers me is how DUMB someone can be to think “weather” deflated footballs on only one side of a football field.

  47. No not everyone cheats. Maybe some; Maybe many; Maybe most but not everyone. I hate the “it was ok because everyone was doing it argument”– what ever happened to accountability for wrongdoing or mistakes. And it’s true maybe we should stop singling out the Patriots but maybe they should stop cheating as well.

  48. Pats win Super Bowl=No punishment
    Pats lose Super Bowl=Kraft gets a slap on the wrist.

    Goodell doesn’t want the reputation of his Super Bowl champion to be tarnished.

  49. 70’s Steelers. PEDs.

    4*

    Bradshaw even admitted that “what he did was wrong”. If it was legal, as Steeler Fan loves to say, then why would he say such a thing? Why the guilt?

  50. you fans of all those irrelevant teams wish all it took was a little less air in the football. now get ready for another 7-9 season with your crappy QB and dumb-ass head coach. now excuse me, I have the 9th parade coming through my neighborhood since 2001.

  51. It’s not IF they cheated, but WHEN they cheated. And they may not be alone, but they were the ones that got caught. Twice. So that means that when you say:

    The Patriots are 4-time Super Bowl champs

    It should be –

    The Patriots are 4-time Super Bowl champs**

    Sorry Patriots fans, but that’s the reality of the situation.

  52. hahaha..the best part of this is that I know for a fact that this cheating scandal for tats at their fans as much as they deny it. My family is from NE and it drives them crazy.hahahaaha..I mean, poor Tommy Brady’s daddy is defending him and there is a rumour his sister broke down and cried over the cheating..hahahhahaha.. 🙂

    Discuss.

  53. How did the Steeler’s of the 70’s cheat?
    —————-
    Steroids

    How did the Niner’s of the 80’s cheat?
    —————-
    FA violations

    How did the Cowboys of the 90’s cheat?
    ——–
    Nothing conclusive but a lot of suspected PED use

    How did the Giants who beat the Patriots twice cheat?
    ————-
    Nothing of note

    How did the Packers in 2011 cheat?
    ———–
    Rogers admittedly doctors footballs.

    Ask a stupid question………….

  54. Let’s get real here. At this point (and probably even before this)… It’s not really a question any longer that the balls were purposely deflated… I think the NFL has enough evidence to support that someONE in the Patriot organization deflated the balls…

    The focus now needs to be how honest and open the Patriots are and how much remorse they show..

    Because THAT’S what was important to the commissioner in the Adrian Peterson case— And why he dropped the hammer on him.

    So if the Patriots show no ability to be forthright in their admission and express sincere apology to their actions– THEN I should expect the commissioner to drop a hammer on them too.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  55. Don’t forget the ’90s Cowboys teams all using horse tranquilizers or the ’80s 49ers abusing IR for player and salary cap considerations or the ’70 Steelers team doctor who handed out steroids.

  56. Peyton Manning: 0 titles since that skipping crowd noise CD was heard on national TV

    #wellheis
    #justsayin
    #hmmmm

  57. “If” the league finds something about “deflategate” and the more info that gets leaked, the more its clear there is little or nothing and all of the initial reports have pretty much been discounted by various sources (also another interesting thing is that it appears only one ball was seriously under inflated and that was in the colts possession, that is going to be interesting), unless someone has some evidence that the pats “cheated” against the seahawks, and witht he level of scutiny, that isn’t possible, no one except a few trolls are going to question the SB win. Deal with it.

  58. And don’t forget the Packers getting caught for having a bounty system before the Saints things ever got rolling.

  59. I still believe the Pats are innocent.

    I’m sick of asterisk talk after they just beat the best rated defense in the NFL in the biggest game of the year. No way they cheated on that one

  60. I would consider cheating on the salary cap to get or keep players on your roster that you otherwise couldn’t afford to be at least 50 to 100 times worse than deflating a football.

    The difference is that those Broncos teams were a feel good story with a very popular ending. So no asterisk there.

  61. Have teams cheated in various ways over the years? Probably.

    But framing another team for cheating? And right before that team is set to appear in the Super Bowl? That may be a new low.

    I hope the League throws the book at the Colts, but considering how they blissfully ignored their last bout of cheating with the crowd noise, I’m not holding my breath.

  62. I understand all teams try to “stretch” the rules. What I’m not finding fair is how the Pats seem to be allowed mercy. What I do know for sure is that Ernie Adams is the culprit and brainchild behind the fine line the Pats dance on. I don’t think a single team has a NFL “researcher” on its coaching staff.

    To me, what the pats do is simple. They formulate all their situations, strategies, and personnel through Adams. From what I understand he’s like “money ball” version of Jonah hill. Then he tell bill what the highest percentages, play per situation, when to punt, when to go for 2, what the defense should run against this guy, and by halftime he tells Bill what the opposing teams are running.

    Adams was a former Wall Street guy, and everything with him is a percentage =result. Spygate? If someone like this could see the plays per down and distance from what I understand he’d have it mastered by halftime. Ineligible receiver? That was Adams….deflate gate? I’m sure that was Adams philosophy that if the balls were deflated by a small percentage that the pats would gain percentages in not fumbling, throwing picks in cold weather. I’m sure of it. Know one knows? Because Adams really isn’t on any pay roll. No one knows what he does, who he is.

    The master plan of getting away with it, is not having anyone on the team no your doing it. NFL is investigating the wrong guy.

  63. Wait to you finally just admitted you cheated pats fans…ahhh,just imagine how good you’ll finally feel to get it off your chest. I cant wait to see Tommy “Uggs” Brady on Oprah crying like the little girl he is

  64. And don’t forget….those same 1997 Broncos caused a delay in the playoff game vs. Kansas City and were made to wipe off some sort of silica gel or spray that had been applied to the jerseys of the Denver offensive linemen.

    Result? KC 10 DEN 17 and on to the salary cap cheating Super Bowl Champ Broncos.

    When the NFL get serious and starts forfeiting games for cheaters…we will know that the games once again have validity.

  65. Why can’t the actual facts and known process be determined before casting judgement. If the facts support that the Patriots cheated and then lied about, punish them accordingly. If not, move on and accept the investigation’s outcome. I know this will be difficult for many.

  66. The league has turned into the:

    “The only way to win is to cheat league”

    And cheaters are all being punished differently, which leads to more cheating from certain teams and less of others.

    Many people now refer to it as the WWE and it’s simply disgusting.

  67. I still believe the Pats are innocent.

    I’m sick of asterisk talk after they just beat the best rated defense in the NFL in the biggest game of the year. No way they cheated on that one

    Let me guess,OJ innocent also?

  68. Here we go again… there’s literally *zero* evidence at this point that the Patriots did anything wrong. There’s leaks… there’s conjecture… there’s no factual information whatsoever. If you’ve been reading everything (and I mean everything) that’s been reported since Day 1, its one report that backtracks on another. First the balls were 2 PSI under, now they’re only a few ticks under. First it was reported by the D’Qwell Jackson, now its the Colts GM. First, it was investigating a ball boy taking the balls to an undisclosed location, and then its taking the balls in the bathroom for 90 seconds on his way to the field. Everyone wants to be the first person to release a piece of information that they don’t take a few seconds to determine if the information is credible or not… but I suppose this is sports media (and there is no journalistic integrity). As far as I know, the NFL has only confirmed that the balls were underinflated… they haven’t confirmed by how much (which is a pretty significant piece of information). I’ll reserve my judgment until I see some actual factual information, but don’t let that get in your way of convicting an entire team through the media.

  69. “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    LOVING THE HATE!

    I’m so happy to see all haters LOATHE us.

    It only makes us stronger, keep on hating.

    Sincerely,

    Every Patriots fan.”

    Is it the same hate you have for everyone that is more successful in life than you? Which is pretty much everybody?

  70. DO YOU THINK THE PATRIOTS ARE SHINING THEIR LOMBARDI TROPHIES UP RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE PARADE?

    I THINK IT’S SO IMPORTANT TO SHINE ALL 4 OF THEM UP. WOULDN’T WANT TO GET SNOW OF THEM. THESE PRIZES OF GREATNESS SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF YOU KNOW.

  71. Must be a saints fan what about the bounty. Lets face it this is the NFL. Just sayen. It’s a fix. Lets change the super bowl to the emey awards.

  72. “Who knows how many…?” Sounds like speculation to me. We’re not naive. Cheating is as old as competition. East Germany once used men in the women’s Olympic swimming competition, for God’s sake. That doesn’t make the Patriots any less guilty. Saying that others cheat too is a subterfuge. What makes the Patriots’ transgressions particularly galling is that they were in big games. Championship games. Super Bowls. Let the asterisks stand.

  73. If you think your team has not at one point in time tried to gain an unfair advantage of some sort you have blinders on. An under inflated football is nonsense compared to what goes on. I mean how many corrupt players have been allowed to circumvent the long arm of the law just because they are elite players? Or how many drug users were never caught? You think your team never had any?
    Really this is a joke witch hunt aimed at the GOAT Pats that was inspired by a team that got their butts handed to them in the playoffs.

  74. VIKINGS FAN HERE!!… I love how some of you try to say only PATRIOT fans think it wasn’t cheating!! NOT, I am on the side of facts, and FACTS tell me, they did NOT CHEAT, nor did they need to! Brady is the GOAT, and he and Montana, are sure fun to watch!

  75. Great day for a parade !!!!

    ——–

    GREAT POST! I TOTALLY AGREE.

    I WONDER HOW THEY WILL SHOW OFF ALL 4 LOMBARDI TROPHIES. DO YOU THINK THEY’LL HAVE THEM ALL ON ONE TRUCK OR SPREAD THEM OUT ON MORE THAN ONE.

    I THINK THEY SHOULD BE SPREAD OUT SO THEY LOOK EVEN MORE SHINY.

    DISCUSS.

  76. The Steelers of the 70’s were inflated with steroids, steel curtain my butt. So if any player in the NFL is popped for drugs do you take away the winning games they played in prior to getting caught? If that’s the case than every team is busted and those records that got them into the playoffs wouldn’t stand.

  77. Finally! An attempt at fair and balanced media coverage…

    2 things…

    1) Spygate was NOT cheating. It was a misinterpretation of a very poorly written and ambiguous rule. The rule stated…

    “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game.”

    …and…

    “Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game.”

    This states that the use of any sort of taped information is illegal for use during the game THAT day. Belichick argued that his filming was never used for THAT day (which was later corroborated by the video tech and Goodell).

    The NFL cited the memo’s misquoted rules instead of the ACTUAL rules when it made its accusations and subsequent punishment against the Patriots.

    Filming opponent’s signals was never illegal –and wasn’t even after the Patriots did it.

    The rules do not matter. Goodell and his office specifically told the teams NOT to do it – and that evil, insubordinate Belichick decided that he would stick to the rulebook – you know, the actual rule – and Goodell took that as a slap in the face to his authority.

    It was a battle of egos.

    That’s your “Spygate”.

    That’s what this entire circus was about.

    Horrifying. I know.

    People still think this is a scandal.

    Any football fan that devotes a little bit of time into researching this issue can see it was much ado about nothing.

    2) The Patriots did not deflate any footballs. The whole genesis supporting the “guilty” verdict was that 11 of the footballs were 2 lbs under the proper psi. That report was bogus. It was untrue.

    Only one of the footballs was 2 lbs under and I, for one, find it very interesting that that just happened to be the ball that was in the Colts possession.

    It leads one to wonder whether the Colts may have let a little air out when they tested that ball on their sideline before handing it over to the NFL.

    How hilarious will this be when the league investigation uncovers a frame job by the Colts. Their GM was behind this whole thing and keep in mind this is a guy who’s previous employers include the Rams in 2001 and the Eagles in 2004. Both of those teams lost to the Patriots. At the end of the day, this whole thing is nothing more than sour grapes from a whiney crybaby loser with a grudge.

  78. Don’t forget about the most epic cheaters of them all, the SteAlers of the 70’s. They had a team run steroid program going that was totally illegal, and has been exposed by several ex-players. It was totally state of the art, and totally illegal.
    4 tainted trophies!

  79. In the 1990s, the Broncos won Super Bowl trophies in 1997 and 1998 with the assistance of salary-cap violations from 1996 through 1998. Denver eventually lost a third-round pick, paid a whopping $950,000 fine, and a still-unnamed agent and a player donated $100,000 to charity. Does anyone ever say those two Lombardis are tarnished?
    ************************************************
    Bowlan and Shanarat knew a lot of people high up in the media and the media agreed not to talk about it.

    Both those Super Bowl are tarnished and way more than this one just played.

  80. I am not a lawyer goatboy, but I think you can be guilty of obstruction of justice even if you are not found guilty of the underlying crime, or if there even was an underlying crime.

    The NFL is not a legal system so we’re stretching the Martha Stewart metaphor.

    By the way, if by 69Goat you’re referring to that sweet GTO … we have common cause.

  81. While I’m not naïve enough to believe “SOME” other teams aren’t cheating, I do not believe that “ALL” teams are cheating. However just because others are cheating doesn’t make it right. I say punish the ones who are caught, and put rules in place to catch the other cheaters. All of us were taught from day one by our parents, just because so and so is doing it, doesn’t make it right. As for the ‘new’ evidence about deflate gate, and there only being 1 football under the required PSI, are we really supposed to believe a league that burned the spy gate tape evidence? Isn’t it a bit too convenient that all of a sudden the evidence has changed? I’m not saying the league is lieing, but I find it hard to trust a league who burns evidence and mishandles every investigation they’ve ever done, from bounty gate to the ray rice issue. In my opinion if the Pats lose the SB, they get hammered over deflate gate. But if the league punishes them now, it’s almost saying cheating is rewarded with SB appearances and victories, so it’s best if the case just magically goes away.

  82. In the vast majority of instances listed above a penalty was imposed on the offending club and hopefully something was done league wise to prevent teams from continuing to try and skirt the rules to get some type of perceived advantage. The same should happen in this case, the balls were not inflated to the appropriate psi likely to the QB’s preferences. Fine the team some cash, penalize them a draft pick, maybe even suspend someone… but most importantly do something that prevents teams from doing this again. Have game officials take custody of the balls from the moment they are checked out by the officials until the game starts.

  83. Don’t forget the 49′ ers. They cheated on the salary cap as well.
    People don’t get it a lot of teams filmed the opponents defensive
    coaches .

  84. If I may add my .02
    1. The word Spygate does not reflect what actually happened. Spying is a covert activity. The Patriots staff were out in the open wearing Patriots gear. The opposing coaches were even waving to them from the sideline.
    2. The Patriots weren’t punished for filming the signals. They were punished for the location of where they were filming the signals.
    3. They never filmed an opposing teams practice or walk through. Those were false charges that the media sensationalized and eventually had to retract.
    4. The ball inflation was started by a team that the Patriots routinely smack in the mouth and by a coach who got embarrassed when Brady told him to study the rule book.
    5. The League, like they do everything else, botched this whole situation when they allowed the media to keep running with so called “leaks” and “reports”. The league should have came out and said the Colts complained about the balls. We measured them, most were a little under the 12.5 limit but the one the Colts turned in were 2 psi under. We inflated the balls and continued the game. That would have calmed down a lot of the media speculation.

  85. Perhaps using a word other than “cheaters” is in order… nfl fans sound like a bunch of spoiled angry brats using that term.

  86. # = tainted championships….you’ll forever be know in the history books as the biggest cheaters in the history of the NFL. Congrats pats fans..thats your legacy..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 🙂

    discuss.

  87. Read False Glory by Steve Courson. Truly a must read. Really blows the doors off the Steelers PED-tainted dynasty in the 70’s.

    False glory indeed.

  88. Once again idiots; steroids were not banned until 1987. So the Steelers did not cheat and every team was doing them at the time. Get your facts straight before running your mouth.

  89. The NFL doesn’t want an *. All evidence will be destroyed as in Spygate (the NFL hid/destroyed much more than they showed to the media)

  90. NE just beat the #1 defense by way of erasing a 10 point 4th QTR deficit. They put up 4 touchdowns with legally inflated balls after dropping 28 points in the 2nd half against the Colts. I’ll sit back now and wait for someone to explain to me how this title is tainted.

  91. Dont forget the Colts cheating by changing rules, pumping in fake crowd noise, turning up the heat in the Pats locker room when they had the flu in 2006, turning off cold water and of course tampering with a football to frame the opposition in january of 2015.

  92. I hate the Patriots (mostly because of their dbag fans), but I never believed for a second that any of their championships are tainted. None of their sneaky little tricks CAUSED them to win a Super Bowl.

  93. As Bob Marley said, “before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean.”

  94. Problem here is the other teams haven’t had the head coach, QB and owner go on national tv to lie about it for 2 weeks – to buy them time to play in the SB

  95. Agreed. But then why did this very site run wild with the whole deflategate scandal for the past 3 weeks, based on what increasingly looks like highly inaccurate heresay?

  96. i will discuss 2 points repeated in the posts

    -why are the pats the only ones getting caught, the viking were caught videotaping the packers from an unauthorized area and were told to leave by green bay security, the jets were caught videotaping the pats and were told to leave by stadium security, and many more, none of those teams chose to report to the league.

    -the refs and the colts defender didnt notice anything wrong with the ball but the colts reported to the league

    -so the first point and answer is that teams are jealous, envious and more interested in going after the pats. everyone wants to knock off teh king and is less interested in going after the peasant. and you can search the web for the truth about spygate and learn all this and much more if you actually wanted to debate with intelligence

    second point. as for roger goodell being in the pats pocket and working to their benefit

    spygate was the biggest fine ever in nfl history at the time, delfate gate has been the most poorly handled investigation by the league into a team (not a player) they have leaked multiple contradicting stories and have allowed the pats to be dragged through the mud with next to no evidence. this could have been handled a hundred different ways that wouldnt have given the pats an aura of cheating had roger been so intent on helping his friend robert kraft. if you are old enough to know the previous commish you know this would have never been handled in this manner, and not for the sake of the pats but for the sake of the league.

    im a die hard pats fan, and i agree that because others are doing it it doeasnt make it right

    BUT

    learn the facts spygate was a fine based on an interpretation of the rule by the league. the rule book states that you cant film from on the field, the field is specifically marked in the rules as sideline to sideline and endzone to endzone. the pats were filming from the sideline off of the field. roger chose to interpret a very clear rule to include beyond the field. that rule still isnt changed and you can still film opposing signals as per the unchanged rule. there is no benefit to filing signals from one location to another, thsi became a mess as fans didnt really have a clue about filming signals and their practices and the media made it out like it was mass cheating despite not even researching the actual written rules.

    now onto deflate gate, a ball does not need to be within the prescribed range as long as it wasn’t tampered with after the officials checked the ball. there are numerous ways balls can get deflated, weather, very heavy men falling on them, guys punching them to create fumbles……
    the point is this, the NFL has no research on deflation of balls throughout a game or in weather. in fact they have no research of ever even checking a ball throughout a game. so unless they have concrete proof they are speculating one possible reason from a potential 20 different possible reasons, and the haters are following suit.

    and that is why pats fans are upset, spygate wasnt cheating as the rules till this day allow for it, they were busted for video location and not videotaping. the rules are so clear despite roger’s interpretation that the pats had a camera guy on the sideline in full view of 80 000 people and every single camera in the stadium while being broadcasted to hundreds of millions of people for everyone to see.

    as for deflate gate, there is no proof, no base line reference, no research, and actually no facts as we only have contradicting reports and not a single statement of any fact from the league. once again fans are jumping to the conclusions they wish to see with no understanding, intelligence, or facts to make up their ever so concrete opinions.

    what is cheating and gives you an undeniable competitive advantage is, fake crowd noise, tampering, salary cap violations, wire tapping, sticky or slippery products on your body, all of which have been committed by teams, and not one of those teams is named the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!!

  97. Here we go!! The media is circling the wagons. IN times like this I always think back to an incident when I was about 5 or 6 years old. A kid was throwing stones over a bridge trying to hit cars. I was watching him and thought it was a good idea to do it myself. Luckily before I did we were all caught and sent home crying to our parents by police officers. When I told my mother that I thought it would be OK because other people were doing it she accurately claimed that two wrongs don’t make a right. But man, the media and low integrity Pats fans will do all they can to make excuses though!

  98. Please, the patriots are cheaters and have been caught. Don’t try and twist the plot and say all other 32 teams somehow or another have cheated in their time as well. Its not true. The patriots could have did it the right way and they chose not to. And because of that they’ll always be the New England Asterisks.

  99. Of all the issues noted by Florio, the Broncos salary cap cheating in 1997-8 was the most egregious, allowed them to keep both Elway and Davis on the roster in these two seasons, led directly to 2 Super Bowl victories with primary contributions from these two players, received the biggest fine by the league and has subsequently been glossed over by nearly everyone since.

    How can that be? If any wins deserve an asterisk, it is these.

  100. All you guys pissing and moaning, if your team was caught cheating, you wouldn’t be making the same arguements as long as they won. Any team that has ever gotten away with a holding call are cheaters, so put an * next to everyone

  101. Only 5 jealousy asterisks in an article mentioning the patriots.. I’m disappointed, is everyone still in moms basement crying over the superbowl?

  102. Once again idiots; steroids were not banned until 1987. So the Steelers did not cheat and every team was doing them at the time. Get your facts straight before running your mouth.

    Legal at the time: Using steroids with a valid prescription for a medical condition. I’d say that would be the most incredible coincidence in the world for that whole steelers team to have the same medical condition requiring the same prescription.

    Was never legal: Abusing steroids to gain an athletic edge. Abusing any prescription drug (which roids were) was never legal in this country.

    Yep, they cheated.

  103. Once again Haters you were out played and out coached! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all Time! Next Year Tommy goes home for #5. One for Thumb! #TheyHateUsCauseTheyAintUS

  104. It’s all appearance and $$ with the NFL. Take for example HGH – The isoform test that the NFL used this season to test for HGH doesn’t catch many people at all, it’s not a test that’s designed to really do that. It will catch you if you just used it a few hours ago, but if it’s a day or more, it’s not going to find you.

    But hey we got HGH testing and no one is testing positive. Oh and look concussions are down too!

    D’Qwell Jackson has documented concussions. Could this have played a part in the pizza boy beatdown? I’m not making excuses for him, it’s just becoming a sad reality that yes it could have.

    Can’t really trust the media on these topics because they are issues that could break the NFL which is their $$. Instead we just read dude is a freak that can recover from , come in at 2% body fat, bench press the house and be ready for training camp. If they suggest that concussions may have played a role in that would be a bit more of a problem than deflated footballs or piped in noise.

  105. Oh, so it’s ok to cheat as long as you reasonably suspect that others are also cheating.

    I’ll be sure to teach that wonderful life lesson to my kids today.

  106. So that’s the excuse? Other teams have done it, so what the Patriots did is ok.

    So, if I run a stop sign, get pulled over, that will be my excuse to the cop. “Well, everyone else has done it, so it shouldn’t matter”.

  107. Take away all teams trophy and start over. Stupid, no point of playing or coaching if ur going to cheat
    to win, especially Belichicken and the Patriots and Saint bounty gate and Packers inflating gate/plus 12 men in the huddle gate, and one leg Rodgers gate.

  108. Attention Patriots haters: you can watch the Patriots championship parade on CBS Local Boston. Enjoy it, crybabies!!

  109. Why is it so hard to simply state the facts? The Patriots have exactly one example of something that could be characterized, by the melodramatic, as “cheating” – the signal-taping thing that was also being done by everyone else in the league, just not from the same position as the Pats did it, and had only recently been made a rule violation.

    That’s it. Nothing that gave them a competitive advantage. Just a procedural thing.

    From that, a whole cottage industry of “Pats cheat!” has formed, but there’s LITERALLY nothing there.

    Just state that already. Everyone in the media should just say, bottom line, that’s all there is to it. Everything else is just sensationalism and incorrect. There are no asterisks.

  110. to add to my post above, I will make this as easy as possible for you people who choose not to learn about subjects you are dead set on debating as fact.

    do a web search of “the truth about spygate” click on the first article that comes up and educate yourself on the rules and the infraction

  111. If the league doesnt announce an investigation into the Colts handling of the single ball found to be 2psi under, then they should be investigated themselves.

  112. Ok Mike Belichick, you’re daddy is not the only cheater. Oh, and don’t for a second think that I don’t put an asterisk next to Cleveland’s 7 wins and Atlanta’s 6 wins.

  113. On the issue of the Broncos circumventing the salary cap, it wasn’t an issue of them paying people under the table to have more cap space, as many on here are claiming, but it was an issue of them needing the cash, so they deferred the payments and agreed to pay interest to the players. It was wrong, and they were punished for it, but it wasn’t like John Elway or Terrell Davis were taking 1/3 of their market rate that year so they could go sign other players, and getting paid the other 2/3 under the table.

  114. Nobody wants to hear about how their team cheated. Sorry but if your team has ever cheated, then your teams wins are tainted including Superbowl victories..

  115. Bill walsh and the 49ers accused of tampering with opponents communication devices. Steelers steroids. Cowboys video taping also.

    Video taping only became illegal in 2006. What the patriots were guilty of was where the location of the cameras. If they did it from the booth, then no fine.

  116. You hate us cause you ain’t us ! lets go use every loophole push every rule , be smarted , better coached , better disciplined get one for the thumb !

  117. Hate to break the news to u all. But all ur teams cheat in some way. 99% of u dont even know what the infraction was on spygate.

    Jealousy a funny thing, jealousy

  118. bkbouncer, details arent important. Whats important is that now in todays nfl, anyone that breaks a rule is a cheater.

  119. Tip: You don’t have to defend Belichick, Brady, Kraft, or the team from strangers on the internet:

    1) They are strangers on the internet whose only reason for getting out of bed is to bust stones on the internet.

    2) Brady, Belichick, Kraft wouldn’t defend YOU, for any reason. Nor should they.

    3) Everyone knows that a rules violation, if it’s even that, doesn’t necessarily equate to cheating. Sure, fines or draft picks may be in order, but it doesn’t “taint” the wins. See #1 above.

    Congrats on a great season, Patsie fans, and enjoy that parade!

  120. I don’t care about what teams did 20 years ago, and I particularly don’t care about teams that aren’t relevant now and didn’t even make the playoffs. Not saying they shouldn’t be fined , but obviously the patriots are the focal point because not only is this happening NOW, they supposedly cheated in the afc championship, the Super Bowl, and throughout entire seasons. Not to mention other things that never came to light . This is obviously a poor attempt to justify this behavior. We will see where this goes but obviously public opinion is they are a cheating organization with asterics next to their sb victories. And in a league with millions of fans public opinion means a lot.

  121. How about Shanahan admitting hiring lip readers in the 2000’s. No one cares about any other team cheating.

  122. I just saw the ball boy who let the air out of the footballs on the duck boat with Robert Kraft. Does he get a ring also?

  123. Sort of sad. I read these comments and some of you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about! Don’t let the facts get in the way. people are saying this and that and yet the NFL won’t comment? I got to ask? Where are you getting your facts from?
    Same crap all over again. Just keep winning NE Patriots… Next thing you know the Patriots will be accused of GreenHouse Warming…The general maliase in society and Obamacare???

  124. Talk about living in glass houses !
    The NFL is currently investigating 4 ” integrity” violations that we know of. How about the Colts throwing games to draft luck? How about a few weeks ago when a team got caught heating balls up in cold weather when they were specifically told not to. How about the rogue team that is the Baltimore Ravens with the murderer that is you know who?

  125. I bet of the 4 “integrity” issues the NFL is investigating, we only hear the results of 1… you can all try to guess which one it is.

  126. what we see this year is that in the NFL, you can cheat and win. even with the NFL knowing it, they can’t do anything about it. this is what we call the art of cheating.

  127. Why has there been no information leaked about the 4th team being investigated? Would that be the Colts?

  128. Have any of you commenters on here ever played sports? From high school on athletes are told, “if you aren’t cheating, you aren’t trying.” Of course it’s a culture of cheating, from PEDs to videotaping to footballs. Every team is trying to get an advantage over the other. I’m not saying this excuses cheating, but it is the culture that we pay for every time we pay our cable bills or go to a game. Do you want smaller, slower players? Do you want less points scored? You, the public, created this monster; now you want to bitch about it? Shut up!

  129. 2001*
    2003*
    2004*
    2014*

    pats fans can chirp all they want but the stigma of cheating will follow them forever

  130. This just in. NFL fines mother nature $250,000 for deflating 10 balls and Indianapolis Colts $1 million plus forfieture of 2015 first round draft pick for deflating one Patriots football during the AFC championship game.

  131. What I can’t even begin to fathom is how the MEDIA hyped the PSI issue as being at,or if not more, than really important issues in the NFL as domestic violence, child abuse, & personal safety/ long term effects of player health due to playing one of the most violent sports game in the world….the investigation is still on going & the Patriots have been dragged thru the mud without any conclusion & some media outlets even used “watergate” in comparison to what has happened in re guards the PSI in footballs…let that sink in a second & & really think about that!!!!
    The Patriots have been so good for so long it drivers other fans crazy with jealousy & hate that their teams owners/coaches can’t substain anything even close (6 Super Bowl apperences in 14 years) when many teams haven’t even gotten close…..but, for the media to make the PSI in footballs even close to those other truly important & devastatingly horrific topics of domestic violence/ child abuse is the real travesty & belittles the importance of those who have suffered from them in life & what an impact it has had in their lives!!!!

  132. There was no deflategate against the Patriots as we have all found out FINALLY by the NFL that only one ball was deflated by 2 lbs and that just happened to be the ball that was on the Indy sideline. Deflategate is against Indy and probably orchestrated by Harbaugh for being embarressed by Brady for not knowing the rules.
    As far as the FREAKIN’ TROLL that says the Patriots are Cheaters based on rehiring McDaniels back after Denver was videotaping. Well I guess Jeff Fischer and the St. Louis Rams are cheaters too because they hired McDaniels first immediately upon getting fired from Denver. He was the O-Coordinator for the Rams after Denver before rejoining the Patriots. IDIOT TROLLS

  133. Screwing around with the instrument of the game ,the football,IS a big deal. This is just like a speeding ticket . You can go 5 mph over but try going 20 or 30 over and see what happens. When you get pulled over tell the cop “everyone was doing it” and he will continue to write the ticket.

  134. “The Falcons? Anyone notice dimitroff and pioli are old Pats guys? Nope, no culture of cheating in NE at all.

    I highly doubt anyone thinks their team is 100% on the up and up, but how many organizations have repeated violations for the same thing?”

    ∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞

    They go back w/ Belichick to the mid-90’s in Cleveland.

  135. straightnochaser1 says: Feb 4, 2015 12:39 PM

    And if Aaron Hernandez committed murder, he’s hardly alone too.

    You are absolutely right!!! There was Ray Lewis and the missing white Tux!!!

  136. A fun fact for all you asterisk lovers out there.

    Even if you think what the Patriots did during Spygate was cheating, and remember, filming signals was legal then, just not from the sidelines, during the years that the Patriots won their previous three Superbowls, filming signals was legal from EVERYWHERE.

    The memorandum forbidding filming signals from the sidelines was dated 2006.

    The Patriots won their first three Superbowl championships in 2002, 2004 and 2005

    And this is why you will never, EVER, see an asterisk next to a Patriot’s championship anywhere but in your delusional, bitter imaginations.

    The more you know…

  137. “Talk about living in glass houses !
    The NFL is currently investigating 4 ” integrity” violations that we know of. How about the Colts throwing games to draft luck? How about a few weeks ago when a team got caught heating balls up in cold weather when they were specifically told not to. How about the rogue team that is the Baltimore Ravens with the murderer that is you know who?”- I really don’t consider throwing games cheating. If a team wants to forfeit an entire season, by all means go ahead , people cheat in order to Win. It’s not their fault the way the system is setup to give the team with the worst record the first draft pick. That’s actually a pretty smart sacrifice. The rogue baltimore ravens ? Sounds like you got some hating in your blood. No one on their team ever murdered anybody. People love to say that , but Ray Lewis was never even suspected of murder. I could probably find a a player charged with a crime on all 32 rosters . But obviously that’s not cheating either. The falcons got caught pumping in crowd noise and they should be punished.

  138. “The Falcons? Anyone notice dimitroff and pioli are old Pats guys? Nope, no culture of cheating in NE at all.

    I highly doubt anyone thinks their team is 100% on the up and up, but how many organizations have repeated violations for the same thing?”

    ∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞

    They go back w/ Belichick to the mid-90’s in Cleveland.

    and before that, Belichick was with Parcells*

  139. Its obvious to me that the NFL can’t police itself period. If we continually have all these rule violation and unethical practices that are not corrected, where is the belief that any Super Bowl has a real champion? If they can’t correct these problems, the NFL needs to be policed by outside agency to assure an even playing field. How many other games were impacted by Spygate or Deflate gate? People dont seem to think beyond the games the cheaters were caught. Its not just the Colts game or the Jets game…it is potentially all the games Brady and Belicheat were involved in.

  140. No rings since spygate…HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Hi CRYGATERS! Hiiiiiiiiiii…….[waving]

    #YouHateUsCuzYouAin’tUs
    #BestDynastyEver
    #GreatestQBofAllTime
    #GreatestCoachofAllTime
    #WORLDCHAMPS

  141. jackofnotrades says:
    Feb 4, 2015 12:32 PM
    2001*
    2003*
    2004*
    2014*

    ————–
    Please cite the rule they were found to have violated at any point in 2001, 03, or 04.

  142. The NFL disclosed in 2008 that 12 teams violated headset coach-to-QB communication rules. The NFL refused to divulge the 12 teams but did mention the Patriots were not one of them.

  143. Shady Brady and Belicheat! says:
    Feb 4, 2015 10:13 AM
    But over in Boston we are the best at it.

    Cheated to four SuperBowl victories. No one else can say that.

    We just get caught and the league looks the other way. Spygate no big deal because we have an inside man.

    Goodell Kraft connection is gold and everyone else is jealous.

    You are all fools because you can not beat our cheating ways. This is the Cheater Football League and the Patroits are the best.

    ——————————————————
    This is the Internet equivalent of “road rage”….

  144. You forgot the biggest one of all … Eli Manning choosing his own landing spot after refusing to go to the Chargers. I cannot imagine anything altering the landscape and upsetting the natural order of things more than that. After he did that, I said to myself — the league better hope this dude doesn’t win any titles. If you’re going to assign asterisks, and I’m not for them, you have no choice but to assign them to the two championships won by the Giants.

  145. highlogic says:
    Feb 4, 2015 12:06 PM
    I don’t care about what teams did 20 years ago, and I particularly don’t care about teams that aren’t relevant now and didn’t even make the playoffs. Not saying they shouldn’t be fined , but obviously the patriots are the focal point because not only is this happening NOW, they supposedly cheated in the afc championship, the Super Bowl, and throughout entire seasons. Not to mention other things that never came to light . This is obviously a poor attempt to justify this behavior. We will see where this goes but obviously public opinion is they are a cheating organization with asterics next to their sb victories. And in a league with millions of fans public opinion means a lot.

    Love the ID, Highlogic, can I join your fantasy world? Thanks.

  146. Of course other teams will do something every once in a while. But there has never been a team in American professional sports history which has cheated as much and as often and in as many various ways as New England.

    And Atlanta’s current scandal? It just so happens that Scott Pioli, former Cheatriot, is in charge.

  147. I cannot imagine a bigger vindication for the Patriots. They won another title and now you have the truth emerging about the NFL culture, where every team is paranoid about what every other team is doing to get an edge (legal and otherwise).

  148. alwaters9 says:
    Feb 4, 2015 12:36 PM
    This just in. NFL fines mother nature $250,000 for deflating 10 balls and Indianapolis Colts $1 million plus forfieture of 2015 first round draft pick for deflating one Patriots football during the AFC championship game.

    __________________

    This just in. There is no proof the Colts did anything. There is proof the Cheatroits did.

  149. Of course other teams will do something every once in a while. But there has never been a team in American professional sports history which has cheated as much and as often and in as many various ways as New England.

    Denver, Jets, 49ers, Colts…. thats right off the top of my head in less than 3 seconds.

  150. reminders:

    The taping of the walkthrough allegation was RETRACTED and the “source” (Matt Walsh) says it did not happen.

    Failing in 2007 to comply with the 2006 directive on sideline taping does not put any asterisks next to the 2001, 2003, and 2004 titles through time travel.

    Finally, footballs in the AFCCG were depressurized by, on average, about 1 psi. On planet Earth, a 21 degrees Fahrenheit temperature drop, such as occurred, will result in about a 1 psi pressure drop. Thus anyone at or above a high school literacy level of scientific knowledge knows that MOTHER NATURE DID IT, and knows with certainty that 2014 in no way deserves an asterisk either.

    Nothing to see here, move along please.

  151. No rings since spygate…HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Hi CRYGATERS! Hiiiiiiiiiii…….[waving]

    #YouHateUsCuzYouAin’tUs
    #BestDynastyEver
    #GreatestQBofAllTime
    #GreatestCoachofAllTime
    #WORLDCHAMPS

    —————-

    GREAT POST!

    I HOPE THE PATRIOTS TAPED THE WALKTHROUGH AND PRACTICE OF THEIR PARADE. AND THE WALKTHROUGH AND PRACTICE OF POSING WITH THOSE 4 SHINY LOMBARDI TROPHIES.

    I WOULD BUY A COPY OF THAT TAPE.

  152. You cheer for cheaters. Just live with it.

    *cheaters
    *champs
    *Brady
    *Bellacheat
    *Robert “Krafty”

  153. tavisteelersfan says: Feb 4, 2015 10:49 AM

    By the way, if by 69Goat you’re referring to that sweet GTO … we have common cause.
    _____________________________________

    Yep, after many years I finally have a 69 GTO that I’ve wanted since I was a boy.

    A Bengal fan (me) having something in common with a Steeler fan: the world really is coming to an end. 😉

  154. I know watching the Patriots win another Super Bowl must hurt those of you with horrible teams, or teams that make stupid mistakes ( I’m looking at you, Seattle ), but holy hell, LET IT GO.

    We are Super Bowl Champions, so deal with it. There will be no “asterisks” or any of that. Our titles are, and will forever be, legit. The sooner you understand that, the better off you’ll be.

  155. PEYTON MANNING’S only Superbowl championship was tainted. During the AFC Championship game, the Colts cheated by pumping crowd noise into the RCA Dome and cranking up the thermostat on a flu-ridden Patriots team. With that the Colts were barely able to comeback and squeak out a victory. This makes the greatest accomplishment of HOFer Bill Polian tainted, he is also most likely the culprit. Knowing the character of Manning and Tony Dungy, you would doubt either one was in on it. But it would seem suspicious that the Colts players were prepared for the high temperatures in the middle of winter and the Patriots were not, without the coach knowing, but not necessarily responsible for turning up the heat.

  156. greatest QB ever: Tom Brady
    greatest coach ever: Bill Belichick
    greatest owner ever: Robert Kraft
    The NFL’s model for excellence: The New England Patriots
    4 rings, no asterisks: The New England Patriots
    the team you are jealous of: The New England Patriots
    the team sparking rampant paranoia: The New England Patriots

    #facts4U

  157. I knew it. Now the media is in on the coverup. Let’s draw parallels between a teams strength coach sticking his foot out on one play to customizing a rainy day ball for the AFC title and right to play in SB. Alosi did not go into a concealed area and trip someone. He was fired and never came out and said “Rex made me do it”. Please guys. Stretch some more.

  158. How did the Steeler’s of the 70’s cheat? — Massive steroid doping, admitted by numerous players

    How did the Niner’s of the 80’s cheat? — cap/free agent cheating, plus headset shenanigans

    How did the Cowboys of the 90’s cheat? — Drugs, drugs, drugs, a veritable snowstorm of drugs

    How did the Giants who beat the Patriots twice cheat? — Eli “Wing and a Prayer” Manning wouldn’t have even been on their team if they hadn’t cheated in the draft, plus their DC would tell players when to fake injuries to slow down the opposing team’s offense

    How did the Packers in 2011 cheat? — Aaron Rodgers is on record as loving overinflating footballs and sneaking them past the refs

    This is fun!

  159. Thank you! Not one team is pure as the recent snowfalls. And the problem with calling out a team on something as inconsequential as deflated footballs is that your holier-than-thou attitude can come back to bite you when your own team is caught doing worse. The only things that concern me are those that can lead to injury–such as the Jets’ tripping setup. If you’re trying to hurt people, you deserve to be slammed. The rest of it is gamesmanship.

  160. Other than Broncos fans, anyone who knows about their violations and has an ounce of common sense considers those titles tainted. It involved $29 million in deferred payments to Elway and Terrell Davis so that Denver would have more cap room, allowing them to sign players they couldn’t have otherwise afforded.

  161. great run for NE. No doubt. But, the Niners had super bowls won at halftime.Pats needed tuck rules, and an entire Seattle secondary that needs surgery to win. When Avril went down Brady had time to throw. But, you earned the right to win by being in tournament and giving yourself a chance every year. I would not give greatest of all-time since the victories were all tight and there were plenty of home one and done losses. I don’t want to hear the “era of free agent” argument as you guys get all the good FA as they want to win SB. Revis.

  162. For one thing, I don’t think the Pats did anything wrong with #deflategate. The NFL has nothing.

    For another, even if they come out with definitive evidence that they did deflate them, I don’t care. I think its hilarious.

    I hope next year Brady comes out and runs a play where he stands on the center’s shoulders before backflipping onto the field and tossing a ball off the refs head, ricocheting into Edelman’s hands, who then tosses it to an eligible Nate Solder. If the ref is part of the field and you can use him to run picks, then why not take it a step further and really get them involved?

  163. greatest QB ever: Tom Brady
    greatest coach ever: Bill Belichick
    greatest owner ever: Robert Kraft
    The NFL’s model for excellence: The New England Patriots
    4 rings, no asterisks: The New England Patriots
    the team you are jealous of: The New England Patriots
    the team sparking rampant paranoia: The New England Patriots

    #facts4U

    ————

    GREAT POST!

    WHY DO PATRIOT HATERS THINK THEIR TEAM DESERVES TO BE MENTIONED IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS THE NEW WORLD CHAMPS…THE TEAM THAT HAS WON MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS THAN ANY OTHER NFL TEAM IN THE LAST 33 YEARS.

    IT REALLY IS BAFFLING EVEN WITH MY SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE….

  164. Hi Patriots haters!

    U girls still mad?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  165. In the NFL … All that matters is winning… Coaches make ridiculous salaries, Player get paid ridiculous salaries, The owners franchise makes ridiculous money when they win…

    If you lose… You might get lucky to get a TV job… and those jobs go to … you guessed it… former winners… ex-players who didn’t win… well they ain’t making money.

    With that much money at stake… everyone cheats… everyone…

    Yes … I am a Pats fan and a season ticket holder and I love football… but in a culture such as this… with this much money at stake… you do what you have to … TO WIN!!!

    Why did all those baseball players take steroids? TO GET PAID!!! To Win!!!

    It is what it is…

  166. pdaddy376 says:
    Feb 4, 2015 10:07 AM
    How did the Steeler’s of the 70’s cheat?

    [b] They discovered steroids before any other team. [/b]

    How did the Niner’s of the 80’s cheat?

    [b]Numerous Salary Cap Violations[/b]

    How did the Cowboys of the 90’s cheat?

    [b] Salary Cap Violations[/b]

    How did the Giants who beat the Patriots twice cheat?

    [b] I’m not sure they did. Unless you count their playing faking injuries[/b]

    How did the Packers in 2011 cheat?[/b]

    [b]They didn’t the Packers are a clean team. (Yes I’m a homer) [/b]

    [b]And the list goes on and on. This is a joke of an article trying to justify the Patriots and their culture of cheating. What deflategate and spygate really underscore is those are the ways in which the Patriots were caught, what are they getting away with?[/b]

    I still can’t believe there are so many people who don’t understand what spygate was. It was the improper placement of a sideline camera. It wasn’t videotaping walkthroughs or practices. Truthfully it wasn’t even an egregious violation.

    And this deflategate crap over the last 3 weeks now hasn’t produced a single shred of conclusive evidence or even a suspect. There was only one ball that was significantly under inflated and that was the ball the wound up in the colts possession. The rest were, yet again for the 100th time, a “few ticks” under. Nothing to warrant an investigation. Just a witch hunt by the NFL and a couple jealous teams who can’t replicate the Patriots consistent success.

    Contrary to my username, I’m not a Patriots fan. However I do admire what Tom Brady does every year. This is truly an unbiased point of view.

    I’ll call a spade a spade. But really, I don’t see how the Patriots are guilty of anything. Spygate you can chalk up the negligence or ignorance of a rule that had just been put in place, but they paid the fines and accepted the loss of a draft pick. But this deflategate stuff is just a witch hunt. Nothing more

  167. Today I watched Boston’s ninth championship parade in 13 years, while many folks here typed * next to the Pats name. I’m sure typing that * was as fulfilling as the parade was for Boston. File my reply under whocaresgate

  168. “Those measures weren’t against the rules. After he was in uniform, however, Romanowski began the second, more illicit phase of his preparation. Romanowski said he spent an hour or more using a Q-tip to carefully apply silicone to his gloves for added grip, and Vaseline to his jersey and pants so that blockers would hit the grease and slide off. Enough to make an impact, but not so much that officials would notice.

    “I was so detailed about how I put it on,” he said, “that they couldn’t get me.”

    When Romanowski was beginning his career with the San Francisco 49ers, the team’s medical staff provided players with the anti-inflammatory medication dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) to ease swollen joints and tired muscles. The NFL doesn’t ban DMSO, but the chemical does come with a noticeable side effect: Even in small doses, it causes bad breath and body odor. Of course Romanowski saw this as a potential advantage and said he took the substance intravenously. If his breath was bad enough, he said, maybe a blocker would be tentative when it came time to engage him.” — Washington Post, October 27, 2012

  169. Remember when Julian Edelam was charged with indecent assault on that woman in a Boston Bar? That was awesome

  170. eastcoastgambler says:
    Feb 4, 2015 1:51 PM
    PEYTON MANNING’S only Superbowl championship was tainted. During the AFC Championship game, the Colts cheated by pumping crowd noise into the RCA Dome and cranking up the thermostat on a flu-ridden Patriots team. With that the Colts were barely able to comeback and squeak out a victory. This makes the greatest accomplishment of HOFer Bill Polian tainted

    they also turned off the cold water to the bench and locker room. thats despicable.

  171. Once again. steroids where banned by the nfl in 1987 and made a schedule 3 drug outlawed by the United States in 1990. Therefore, the Steelers did not cheat in any way. Steroids were taken by every team to gain an edge and it was common knowledge.

  172. Continuation of the Broncos #salarycapgate issue…

    Are we sure that they are being monitored right now? How much is Manning getting per year? How many FA have they signed (i.e. Emanuel Sanders agreeing to a deal with KC…then poof! Surprise! In comes a larger offer from Denver right before he signs!)

    And not to mention the whole Peyton Manning – Colts pumping in crowd noise this while he was in Indy…and btw, the same Manning who would never take a pay cut to keep other FA from leaving…

    But hey, even if he retires this year..he will still have Nationwide and Papa Johns inflating his wallet.

    Come to think of it, Broncos and Manning do seem made for each other…

  173. I guess this means that every NFL game should have an asterisk next to it?

    It’s kind of sad to hear how rampant cheating is in the league. I’m not sure what the point of watching or bragging about victories is, even for my Colts, if all of this stuff is true. I suppose the media shouldn’t be trusted and I don’t have time to research all this stuff, but it sounds pretty rough for the whole league.

    Sports were nice when you were a kid and I guess you didn’t have enough at stake to cheat. I’m sure I’ll still watch the games next year, but I don’t know how long that will last when the after thought of each game is: did they win because they were better skilled/had a better plan? or just because they found some new way to cheat/bend the rules/etc.?

  174. weegiethompson says:
    Feb 4, 2015 4:29 PM
    Once again. steroids where banned by the nfl in 1987 and made a schedule 3 drug outlawed by the United States in 1990. Therefore, the Steelers did not cheat in any way. Steroids were taken by every team to gain an edge and it was common knowledge.

    In a way they cheated the families of those players who died premature deaths. Very sad situation.

  175. I dont think the all important pre game ” Checking of the Balls” is really an exact science for the refs or the players. The qbs say these feel good and send them off to be used in the game. The refs probably only do a quick “feel” test to see if the balls are ok to them. If the report is true that the refs dont even write down what the psi of the balls are then I would bet on the fact that they dont even check what the actual psi of the balls are. In Kindergarten terms that you can all understand ” Not really a big fffen deal”

  176. All SB wins which were cheated into have asterisks next to them. It applies to all teams which cheat their way to wins.

  177. Josh McDaniels (of the Broncos) video taping a practice. Hahahahahahahah! So exactly where do you think he learned that??? Patriots*

  178. I’ve been saying this for over a decade. If people think that NE are the only cheaters in the NFL, they are delusional. The teams that get caught are cheaters and the teams that don’t are just waiting to get caught.

  179. The Patriots have gone from playing Manuel the Spanish Waiter “no compressed, mi know nothing” to Bill Belichick’s and Bob Kraft impersonation of Lance Armstrong looking straight at you and saying “OH, WE WOULD NEVER…”

    To now orchestrating a full campaign with background music and all of “HEY EVERYBODY CHEATS, SO THAT MEANS WE ARE OK, AND GOODELL BURNS ALL THE EVIDENCE AND MAKES IT DISAPPEAR”

    So the kids are alright! Yeah, football is all about cheating! … so says the Patriot nation.

    That is the new narrative the Patriots are trying to hose the football nation with. THE FOOLS ARE THE OTHER OWNERS who let this rogue up in New England come to a playoff game and whitewash the refs with weird stuff that is above and beyond the spirit of competition.

    Whatever happened to Belichick as a kid that caused him to turn into Belicheat! AND HE IS ONE LUCKY GUY AFTER ALL… Brady in the 6th round, the tuck rule, a commissioner who plays bitch to their owner and destroys evidence for them while destroys the New Orleans Saints for something much less compromising to the integrity of the NFL. .. and now he runs into the TOTAL FLAKE OF PETE CARROLL whose decision turns him into a choking dog of sorts because he did a similar gamble with Texas in 2006 and now had the ring in his finger and handed it back to Belicheat.

    Belicheat is greater than Walsh, Shula, Landry, Lombardi and all of them together. So says Patriot fans who are busy hosing the nation with “EVERYBODY CHEATS!”

  180. from bronco mike on capgate- the Broncos didn’t cheat, Deflatriot fans…

    Henderson also stated that “The investigation resulted in the discovery of undisclosed agreements between the club and Broncos players during the same period [1996-1998] pursuant to which various players agreed to defer certain compensation in exchange for a commitment to pay interest on the deferred amounts…These agreements were plainly designed to help the club cope with seasonal cash flow problems exacerbated by the Broncos’ need to fund front-end expenditures associated with development of the new stadium in Denver.”

    Pat Bowlen released a statement when the punishments were handed down to a similar effect:

    “The non-disclosures brought to my attention by the National Football League took place in the mid-1990s. We cooperated with the NFL throughout their examination of the situation. While I regret that the circumstances took place, it is important to note that there was no competitive advantage gained by our organization, nor was there any involvement or responsibility by anyone who is currently with the Broncos in any capacity. We accept our penalty, will pay our fine as directed and from this point on put the issue behind us. Our entire organization is working toward a great season in 2004.”

    In other words, these were isolated infractions created by bean-counters in accounting. The team was not able to create more cap space illegally, the team was not able to sign star players because of the actions. Other than receiving immediate relief on cashflow issues directly related to the financing of the new stadium, nothing was gained—certainly not a competitive advantage gained via videotaping another team’s signals or practices….nor was there a blatant breach of any NFL rule having to do with the competitive nature of the game like we see in “DeflateGate.”

    In fact, our very own Kyle Montgomery said it best when he wrote about this subject years ago:

    So were the Broncos cheaters? No. Did they break league rules regarding player payment? Yes, members of the organization did, unbeknownst to Pat Bowlen and Mike Shanahan. And then those employees got canned. Connecting Spygate to the Broncos cap issues is as ridiculous as it comes.

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