Kraft “really upset” and “ticked off” about Deflategate investigation

AP

Patriots owner Robert Kraft made a surprising statement at the start of Super Bowl week, demanding that the NFL apologize if it turns out that the Deflategate story is a bunch of hot air. Kraft now says that statement was a matter of his anger boiling over.

I was really upset,” Kraft said, via the Boston Herald. “I was trying to take the heat off our guys . . . it really ticked me off. Jonathan [Kraft, his son and the team’s president] and I were flying out there and chatting about it. I just decided, it was back and forth and back and forth, and I just decided [to say something]. My friend who owns the Chargers, Dean Spanos, he said, ‘I’ve known you 21 years and I’ve never known you to be [like that]. You’re so calm.’”

We still don’t know whether the NFL will find that the Patriots cheated or not, but Kraft is now looking forward to a year from now — when he hopes to hoist the Lombardi Trophy again.

“Next year is the 50th [Super Bowl],” he said. “Our objective is that we want to make the playoffs, but in the end, once you make the playoffs . . . if we were somehow fortunate [to win the Super Bowl] that would allow us to win 10 percent of all Super Bowls. We’re hungry as an organization, and we’ll do whatever we can to put our team in position to do that.”

A Super Bowl next year would give the Patriots 10 percent of all Super Bowls, and 33 percent of all Super Bowls since Tom Brady became the starting quarterback in 2001. That would be quite a legacy for the Patriots. Even if Spygate and Deflategate is part of the Patriots’ legacy, too.

290 responses to “Kraft “really upset” and “ticked off” about Deflategate investigation

  1. At this point, with the only supposed deflated ball being the one in the Colts possession, we need to know if THEY cheated

    New England’s had 9 victory parades in 13 years so it’s clear why other sports fans want deflategate to be true

    But it’s pathetic how much attention 1 PSI gets when Atlanta – and likely the Colts – pipe in noise to drown out opponent play calling to give themselves the huge advantage the Seattle 12th man gives – with hardly any outcry

    Jets coaches trip players in the middle of a game and the Broncos cheat the salary cap – these are MAJOR issues – but they don’t win so no one cares

  2. It is mystifying how a multi-billion dollar empire like the NFL could have so mishandled this matter. If this was a publicly listed company instead of a rich mens’ club Goodell would have been gone a while ago.

  3. Oh boo hoo, my organization has been cheating for years and now the big bad NFL won’t give us the benfit of the doubt. Why?! Why?! It is all so unfair for such a paradigm of virtue like us to be so mistreated.

  4. Anyone else notice the only ex NFL people that complain about the Pat’s alleged cheating are players that got beat by the Pats, or players that are having their Super Bowl records surpassed? ( Looking at you Troi, and Charles) You never hear any ex Browns, or Vikings, or Giant players. It is envy. They taped about 10 plays from the sideline in 2007, clearly in view to 80,000 other people. It was against the rules in 2006, so any wins before that are tainted?
    It was also GODells first real threat to his authority. And we see how well he has handled every other issue so far. Almost everyone agrees he should go. I knew he was terrible right from that moment on. How many of these issues did the NFL have under Tags or Rozelle?
    And as for taping teams practices? Never happened. But much like deflategate, it has only grown into truth.

  5. There was a rush to judgement based on some unfortunate and possibly false info leaks to the media.

    Rappaport reported only one ball was 2 PSI low. If that’s the ball the Colts picked off, then the NFL better be investigating the heck out of where that ball went between Jackson’s INT and when the Colts turned it over to the NFL. Because the most likely scenario is the Colts deflated that thing themselves.

  6. The combination of this team’s youth along with still having Tom Brady and doing whatever they can do to win is sounding like really good news for Patriots fans everywhere. Good for them if he really hits hard on the “do[ing] whatever” part, that recipe should make them the favorites to win it all next year. The bonus good news is there is still a chance that the NFL will conclude that they did nothing wrong and issue a strong apology and attempt to reconcile any damage that has been done to make him and his organization whole again.

  7. What struck me was the effort he, Belichick, and Tom have made from the start to casually laugh this thing off and say its over. Sorry fellas, that’s not your call to make. The arrogance is always consistent.

  8. Teams have been stealing each others’ signals since the beginning – baseball, football, hockey, basketball, even tennis.

    If your team isn’t trying to steal the other team’s signals, regardless of rules, they should be.

    Given Belichik’s rep even before 2007 it makes sense that he would be trying to steal other team’s signals – just like other teams – why did they get caught? Why were they so flagrant about it? (BTW – they won the first half of that game 14-7, the 2nd half 24-0.)

    The claims that the Pats stole signals before their previous 3 SB wins – never proven. Given the scandal at the time everybody and his brother was making those accusations.

    deflategate – aka THE STRANGE CASE OF THE DEFLATED BALLS – same thing.

    But let me address one burning question – “How does it feel to be a fan of one of the most hated franchise in professional sports?”

    AWESOME, TERRIFIC, GREAT, WONDERFUL, PROUD,
    HAPPY, ETC.

    Thanks for asking.

    BTW – Who do you root for?

  9. I respect Kraft sticking up for his team however his team cheats and their overall success is tainted because of it.

  10. The NFL will sweep this under the rug to avoid a black eye. Kraft owns Goodell.

    The NFL is turning into the WWE.

    Bonds & McGwire never cheated either. They are squeaky clean.

  11. It’s the way this whole fiasco has been mishandled by the NFL that has Mr. Kraft ticked off. Leak after leak came out in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, always with some new damning information against the Pats, followed by other leaks that exonerate them, but by then the damage was already done. In the court of public opinion they were found guilty even if they weren’t. It was a joy to see Roger Goodell hand Mr. Kraft the Lombardi Trophy and then sneak off the podium like a little boy who knows he’s going to get punished once this is over.

  12. SHUT UP Kraft, between Brady lying and getting his feelings hurt, and Belichick explaining physics and lying, and a culture of cheating in New England, lets just let it go away

  13. The Colts are pretty quiet these days. There’s probably a little panic setting in there that they may have been caught in their own trap.

  14. Fellow Pats Nation. We know the truth about this deflate crap. Harbaugh was pissed because he got burned by the Genious Belichick and was called out for not knowing the rules. He contacted Pagano and Grigson to trump up this bogus deflate charge (funny the only under inflated ball is the one the Colts had). These hacks will throw around cheated and tainted, but this just due to blind jealousy. Let’s enjoy the 4th Super bowl and the the greatest sports town in the world.

  15. Goodell needn’t worry too much. As long as he does what Jerry Jones tells him too he’ll probably be able to hold on to his 44mil./year job.

  16. ketch20too says:
    Feb 6, 2015 7:15 AM

    Oh boo hoo, my organization has been cheating for years and now the big bad NFL won’t give us the benfit of the doubt. Why?! Why?! It is all so unfair for such a paradigm of virtue like us to be so mistreated.
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    For years? Please do tell us how the Patriots have cheated for years…would be interesting what facts you can post for me.

  17. Good for Kraft…..I’d be mad too….this witch hunt is a DISGRACE to the NFL…..honestly if I didn’t love my Steelers so much I’d never watch another football game again until Roger is removed……and you “fans” who are piling on the Pats should be ashamed of yourselves….no wonder this country is so messed up!!!

  18. “What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating. If it was another team he would excpect the same!!”

    The investigation is fine. The selective leaking and constant innuendo is pure bs. Mr Kraft has every reason to be angry with the league’s handling of this case.

  19. I’d be upset too. I don’t think its the investigation itself he’s angry with. It’s the leaks from the NFL and the “back and forth” as he says. Either way, I just checked my calendar and this is the 26th day of this lame investigation. That is 26 full days of your organization’s integrity being questioned along with that of the best QB and Coach of all time. But mix in a Super Bowl victory during that time frame and I suppose that helps. Let’s get this “investigation” done. I mean 26 days for PSI in a football is the biggest sham in all the land.

  20. Feel for him, there’s the one report that pissed everyone off, then everyday after since, facts come out that claim the Pats were innocent. The damage could never be undone

  21. Kraft would really be upset if the Patriots lost the championship game because they used legal footballs. Belichick has created an environment where everyone is encouraged to cheat or do whatever they can get away with. They’re probably not the only team cheating, they just have a great QB. When you allow a great QB to have an unfair advantage, you’re going to be very successful. Nobody would have ever heard of Robert Kraft if the Patriots didn’t cheat. So what’s he complaining about?

  22. Please go back to the cheese factory with your deflated trophy. Let the investigation proceed to completion.
    If everyone on your payroll is completely innocent then you have nothing to worry about. However, if that is not the case, then the Commissioner should throw the book at them. Suspensions, fines, loss of Draft picks, etc..

  23. Shut up Kraft and let them try to do their job or help them create a smoke screen to help this all go away.

    But don’t forget we remember your organization was caught cheating. I don’t believe you won that on appeal. You paid the fine, accepting culpability.

    You’re a convicted cheater.

  24. Seahawks over Pats. Redemption. On the Niners’ field. That would be a good day.

    And should that happen, the ‘Hawks will have won 4% of all Super Bowls, so there’s that.

  25. I watched the game…….it was awesome……my pats won
    I watched the parade….it was awesome……my pats were reveling in their glory

    cheating? I don’t care if it happened or not…….the game and the parade were still awesome.

    now it’s over and it’s time to watch the team building again.

    even if they did cheat, it still beats being a fan of the jets or browns or chargers or cowboys or broncos or colts or falcons or vikings or steelers or ravens or any other team…..THEY ALL BREAK RULES……THEY ALL CHEAT

    stop being jealous …. move on with your life

  26. Oh I can’t wait for all the crying from the haters..

    Let’s see how many times asterisk, tainted, cheaters and Belicheat will be used….

    PS – Patriot fans are laughing at all of you

    Pats are Super Bowl Champs!!!

  27. Patriot fans are in such denial.
    They can’t see what the rest of us see.
    The entire culture of the New England Patriots is, and always has been to push the rules to the breaking point at every opportunity.
    Seems they’re not comfortable just winning on the merits of their athletes, so they need help.

    Illegally filming practices, turning in false injury reports every week, hiding concussions, tampering with players still playing for other clubs, messing with the equipment to gain an advantage, pushing the rules and running illegal plays to the point where you even take the refs out of the game.

    Everyone else outside of Boston can see the clear pattern here.
    They claim “but everybody does it” yet they’re the ones who are always getting busted.
    Where’s there’s that much smoke there’s always fire…

    Their legacy will always be, as cheaters.
    No class, no honor, no integrity.
    That’s the Patriot Way
    , no remorse.

  28. “We’re hungry as an organization, and we’ll do whatever we can to put our team in position to do that.”

    We know you’ll do anything you can Booby. You’ve been doing “it” for years.

  29. Can someone explain to me why a new rule created in 2006 would in any way invalidate Super Bowls from 2001-2004?

    And if new rules invalidate Super Bowls from before they were created, can someone explain why this applies ONLY to the Patriots?

  30. The Patriots have a proven history of cheating which the above poster is choosing to ignore. Although I expect the NFL to sweep this under the rug it doesn’t change the fact that the Patriots were once again caught not playing by the rules.

  31. If they really did cheat, why hasn’t the NFL produced any hard evidence yet.

    Sorry but a tweet from Mort that 11 balls were deflated, followed by a contradictory report that only 1 ball was deflated, followed by a bunch of guys from the Internet condemning the Patriots without evidence — IS NOT PROOF.

    I know a lot of folks don’t like the Pats, but it’s really disturbing to me that so many posters are comfortable with declaring a team “cheaters” when there been no hard evidence produced. If someone accused you all of anything with such flimsy evidence, you would be raising holy heck.

    You need to seriously stop letting your hate make you look foolish…

  32. When I was 7 yrs old I stole a candy bar from the corner grocery store. I got caught by mother, I was really mad that she didn’t think I bought it. When bad guys get caught they’re always upset.

  33. “What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating. If it was another team he would excpect the same!!

    It was not the investigation he was upset about, any fool would comprehend it was the way the investigation was conducted that peeved him.

  34. What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating. If it was another team he would excpect (sic) the same!!
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    I don’t think that Kraft or we Pats fans disagree, but it is HOW it all unfolded. There is something to be said for confidentiality until all the facts come out. Goodell and his leaky ship is the real problem. People working for the NFL should be told that if they talk about these things before the final findings, they will lose their jobs.

    As I previously posted, Goodell was correct in his assertion that the Pats would not be deserving of an apology for just conducting an investigation, however he is dead wrong about not needing to deliver ANY apology. If the Pats are cleared, he sure does own them an apology for the vilification we have received due to his leaky ship.

  35. Can’t wait for the investigation to find that it was the COLTS that tampered with the football. Pats are going to beat them by 70 next year.

  36. ‘Is there any owner more annoying than Kraft? He tries to become best friends with the commissioner and he finally wants to chastise Goodell (like everyone else) only after HIS team was affected by Goodell’s dumb decision making..’

  37. The NFL made a mountain out of a molehill and so many foolish people out there fell for it hook, line and sinker.

    The Patriots will be COMPLETELY exonerated on everything. Trust me.

  38. ace3hundred says:
    Feb 6, 2015 7:14 AM
    What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating. If it was another team he would excpect the same!!
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    I guess you haven’t been following the story, so I’ll bring you up to speed…

    He is mad about the manner in which this ‘investigation’ has progressed. Most notably, the countless ‘leaks’ that have since been contradicted/proven incorrect.

    Examples:

    -originally ‘all’ balls were reported to be ~2 psi below spec
    -revised/actual: one ball might have been ~2psi below (the one the colts had their hands on) and the others were barely/’a tick’ below spec)

    -originally D’quwell immediately noticed the ball was obviously under inflated and brought it to the attention of the team
    -revised/actual: he noticed absolutely nothing about the ball as reported over and over with direct quotes by various sources

    these leaks (any many many others) were reported and attributed to ‘league sources’. should the league be leaking ANY info out? NO…but MORE TO THE POINT…should the league be leaking out information that is COMPLETELY FALSE?? is that reason to be angry with the league? umm…yes.

    in the end it really doesn’t matter though. either way we all know the Pats are the best team in the history of the league. you’re either on board in agreement or…thou doth protest too much…hate on HAHAHA

  39. What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating.

    It absolutely is their job to investigate, and if the Pats were guilty they should have the book thrown at them. What Kraft is mad about is all the leaks coming from NFL sources, that the tabloid press picked up and ran with, implying the Pats were guilty. All of this leaked information turned out to be erroneous. The Pats have demonstrated a reasonable explanation that has been backed up by science. But, the damage has been done. A great SBowl week was diminished. The tin foil hat crowd has more disinformation to latch onto. The Pats will be completely exonerated for this, mark my words. But it will be mentioned going forward with the other urban legends, like the Pats taped walkthroughs and practices, or the tuck rule was some kind of conspiracy. If I were Kraft, I’d sue. He’ll never get his apology, but he deserves one.

  40. If anything, this deflated-football incident will add to the Colts’ and Ravens’ legacies of being sore losers who cry to the league every time they lose.

  41. Investigating is one thing. Having regular media leaks that came out of the league offices is another. You even have guys like Chris Collinsworth calling Tom Brady a liar because Brady wasn’t “mad enough”. When the facts come out that exonerate the Patriots, you can never get back and Collinsworth can never take back what he did to Tom Brady. The league office helped perpetuate a virtual feeding frenzy on the Patriots. This investigation will turn up nothing and then the focus will be back on Roger Goodell. It’s coming.

  42. This is all we have to look forward to folks until free agencey,combine and draft, all the gates just like last year. I think it would be a good time to start some second tier league for a couple of months.

  43. we’ll do whatever we can to put our team in position to do that
    ———-
    That’s what we’re afraid of Bob, believe me.

  44. The Pats were accused of taping the Rams walk through it was investigated and guess what – IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

    Marcia Faulk and Kurt Warner want to believe the Pats cheated because they actually believed their Greatest Show on Turf hype, but after 2001 the awesome-o Rams NEVER MADE IT BACK to the Super Bowl (Ricky Proel was ironically correct about a dynasty being born however).

    The entire litany of “Cheating” comes down to ONE THING, the Pats were sanctioned for taping defensive coaches signals from the sideline. This was not outlawed until 2006.

    The Pats won in 2001, 2003 and 2004, they were sanctioned for actions in Game 1 of 2007. The remainder of that season they went 17-0 and then lost the SB to the Giants, it was no fun but the Giants won the game.

    All this BS about “tainted” championships must be jealousy because none of it holds up to analysis.

  45. Bob Kraft – “We’re hungry as an organization, and we’ll do whatever we can to put our team in position to do that.”

    Clearly, you, Bill and Tommy are on the same page. Cheat! Cheat! Cheat!

  46. Grigson will be exposed as the master mind of deflategate and the Colts will lose their 1st round pick for trying to set up NE. The only deflated ball ended up in Grigson’s hands???? No doubt he issued a code red to his minions on the Colts sidelines to deflate the intercepted ball. Word is the NFL is focusing on Colts employees that came in contact with the ball. And who contacted the organizations errand boy Bob Kravitz.

  47. Love the babies who cry cheaters like little girls. Reality is that the Pats have probably beaten your team down in the past 12 years and you can’t handle it. Fans that act like children.

  48. Then fire Bilicheck and eliminate these issues. Let’s see how upset he really is.
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    If he did that there would be 31 other teams looking to hire him for any amount of money. You’d be in the front row begging your team to hire him and you’d know it. There’s a difference between being a fan and a hater.

  49. Colts deflated the ball they had on their sideline for 20 minutes before turning it in. Its clear that you have Harbaugh, Irsay, Pagano and disgruntled ex Jets employees setting up the Pats and the bspn tin foil hat sheep eating it up.

  50. His team is the one that cheated and HE’S ticked off about the situation??? This guy sure does have a lot of nerve. maybe he should just tell his team to stop cheating. Problem solved.

  51. Bob Kraft – ” if we were somehow fortunate [to win the Super Bowl] that would allow us to win 10 percent of all Super Bowls.”

    …and 100 percent of the asterisks. LOL! I make myself laugh.

  52. Their “legacy” being tainted is so out of line it’s not funny. You had many many team videotaping defensive of signals going back to the early 1990’s, including the Dallas Cowboys during their SB’s. So Ray Anderson sends out a memo that didn’t align with the rule book, and the Pats are caught doing it in the opening week of the 2007 season. That’s one game. If you have 10 plus years of the videotaping among many teams, how in the world is the Pats Dynasty tainted? Deflategate is also looking a lot more like a bunch of horse do do as well. This is all media driven. And then fans of opposing teams jump on the bandwagon because they’re sick of the Pats beating their team.

    Anyone claiming the 49ers’ or Broncos SB’s are tainted? They both were found guilty of circumventing the salary cap. Maybe this is a sign of where our society is today. Nobody likes rich people and they certainly don’t like winners anymore.

  53. Boomer Esiason said he believes this was a coordinated conspiracy by both Baltimore and Indy to smear Brady’s career. If this turns out to be true, there better be some lifetime bans handed out to those involved. This is beyond Pete Rose territory.

  54. Oh please Robert, SHUT UP! You’re embarrassing yourself! Brady ordered the deflation (which all teams do, Pats just got caught)…and your franchise was GIFTED a SB win.

  55. This is an owner that Roger Goodell best not anger. He is a respected
    owner with power. The way the investigation with its leaks and drips of
    info is a poor way to handle an investigation. Could this be the beginning of the end of Roger?

  56. There is zero proof or evidence that they did anything wrong with those footballs. Zero.

    The only thing they ever did was tape from the sidelines in 2007 after the league told all the teams to stop doing it. They paid the price and moved on from it.

    The Patriots taping practices or taping Super Bowl walk through stories were all debunked as well.

    Meanwhile, teams are pumping in fake noise to affect the actual game and players are loading up on PED’s. Maybe, just maybe, your blind hate and jealousy is keeping you focused on these stupid things while you are missing out on the bigger things.

  57. Super Bowl Champs crybabies! Oh wait, do you know that the Patriots haven’t won a SB in 5 days, what have they done lately?

    Suck it haters lol

  58. Only a fool would do to their best player, flagship franchise, and most progressive and active owner what Goodell and the suits in New York have done. From day one, like a prosecutor with political ambitions, Goodell has over charged and over sentenced venial sins in a very public way thinking he makes both himself and the NFL look better when it actually does the opposite.

    Alas, in this case, he looks to have allowed incompetent staff (or staff with an agenda) to work with self promoters in the media to carry the water for a Colts franchise that has a criminal for an owner, a incompetent general manager, and a head coach that’s over his head by leaking lies and untruths against a team they can’t beat on the field.

    Goodell’s stated “lower” standard of proof is arrogant and he has boxed himself into a position where he will need to apologize or attack the Patriots. Let’s just say he is no Solomon.

  59. What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating. If it was another team he would excpect the same!!
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    He’s mad that the NFL has allowed more leeks than a sive. They allowed untrue leeks from their office to manifest into hate based on improper information. The other investigations of Atlanta and Cleveland have not been handled in this manner.

  60. Really in the grand scheme of things are they going to take away any of New England’s SB trophy’s?

    And this is just a small pebble in the world we live in.

    Let’s put things in perspective. It’s just a game.

  61. NFL rules are only for the other 31 teams.

    @Joesixpack, the Jet coach that tripped the player was suspended without pay for the remainder of the season and fired immediately after the season. He learned that trick from Belicheck.

    Unlike the pats, the Jets fire their coaches for cheating.

  62. Deflategate has to be true to be part of their legacy. If it isn’t, or if it ends up being a speeding ticket, then all that will hang out there is the Super Bowl win. Sorry haters.

  63. @grogansheroes

    And as for taping teams practices? Never happened.

    Oh it happened that is why Goodell destroyed the tapes so fast (no other reason) because it is the biggest scandal of all time in the NFL. It would have destroyed the league. If it was found out by the public that the winners of three recent Super Bowls cheated to win the NFL would not be raking in over $9 Billion a year.

    Also if it was just ten plays they taped why was the punishment a $1 million fine and a loss of a first round pick seems a bit excessive but the fine was what the NFL could justify without telling the public the truth. The NFL can never admit this because it would be devastating.

    The NFL lies everyday to us why would they tell us the truth but destroy the evidence. Don’t be a fool or a Patsie in this case. Wake up and see the truth the NFL wants to dupe everyone because of money.

  64. This whole thing is PATHETIC. Are you people blind this whole thing wa sa setup by the Colts to make the Patriots look bad.

    There is ZERO evidence the Patriots did anything wrong at this point.

    The only ball at 2 PSI below was the one in the COlts Possession?

    Why aren’t the media and Patriot haters throwing the same amount of speculation, scrutiny and harshness to the Colts for that dubious fact?

  65. I’m still curious – how is Seattle’s lying about the extent of Kam Chancelor’s knee injury on the required injury report NOT ‘cheating’, in the same way as possibly under-inflated footballs? Why no media outcry about that? Just curious.

  66. @grogansheroes says: Feb 6, 2015 7:16 AM

    Anyone else notice the only ex NFL people that complain about the Pat’s alleged cheating are players that got beat by the Pats, or players that are having their Super Bowl records surpassed?

    To be fair, that’s a long list of teams/people. Can’t wait to see all the trolls reaction when the investigation turns up nothing. Can’t wait to see Goodell’s reaction when the investigation turns up nothing.

  67. Just another elitist owner. What he really should be upset about is his 4 tainet Super Bowl Wins ****

  68. Its kind of amazing that all the “leaks” on this story have dried up. The last report about all this was only one ball was seriously deflated, all the other were just a tick or 2 that could easily be explained by the cold weather. I wonder if the issue now is that the one very under inflated ball had been in the possession of the colts because of the interception? I wonder if this is taking so long because they are scowering through video of what happened to that ball while it was in the colts possession? Harbaugh of the ravens has also been very vocal he had nothing to do with this. I wonder if that is true too?

    This is yet another mess that goodell has created concerning how he has handled it. The question now is if this was a conspiracy and if it was, how he is going to try to sweep it under the rug. If it was and if he is, I don’t like his chances for success given his track record.

  69. If the Wells investigation fails to find any wrongdoing and Goodell fails to apologize for starting a witch hunt, it may finally spell the end of his tenure as commissioner. Good riddance!

  70. Jets coaches trip players in the middle of a game and the Broncos cheat the salary cap – these are MAJOR issues – but they don’t win so no one cares

    Yeah you’re right the Broncos don’t win. They weren’t in the Super Bowl last year.

  71. Then fire Bilicheck and eliminate these issues. Let’s see how upset he really is.

    … and you’d be the first one screaming for your team to hire him.

    Thanks, but no thanks. We’ll keep Bill.

  72. 24 footballs at the game.

    0 of 12 deflated on the Colts side.

    11 of 12 deflated on the pats side.

    Sure, they deflated from Mother Nature.

  73. ketch20too says:
    Feb 6, 2015 7:15 AM
    Oh boo hoo, my organization has been cheating for years and now the big bad NFL won’t give us the benfit of the doubt. Why?! Why?! It is all so unfair for such a paradigm of virtue like us to be so mistreated.
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    Oh boo hoo. The Patriots are the champs and you can’t stand it. HA-HA! I bet your muttering “cheaters” while you cry into your haterade.

  74. Like a major league pitcher altering the baseball. Its against the rules of fair play. Call it a mistake and move on.

  75. You’re wrong if you think Sypgate is about taping defensive signals during games. That or you’re just sticking you head in the sand. There are credible allegations that they filmed practices & walkthoughs before the Super Bowls, specifically against the Rams. Any evidence that could have proven them guilty or innocent was DESTROYED by the league office before it was released to the public. They were either guilty or innocent.

    If they were guilty, then they got off way too easy & the league did them an incredible favor by destroying the evidence.

    If they were innocent, then the league did them a huge injustice by burning the evidence that could have proved their innocence.

    Which scenario makes the most sense to you? Be honest.

  76. Kraft is upset because he knows his team is guilty of it. Otherwise, if he knows that if they didn’t do it then there’s nothing to be upset about.

  77. ace3hundred says:
    Feb 6, 2015 7:14 AM
    What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating. If it was another team he would excpect the same!!
    ======================

    What is he mad about??? Are you serious? For starters, if there was an ongoing investigation, I dont think it is too much to ask that the investigation remain private until the investigation is over. We can start there. Because all you have to do is read the comments section and you get the idea, the Patriots were convicted the second Kravitz made it public

    Second is the leaks. And not only leaks, but leaks of false information. To be honest, it actually looks like the league, or at least someone in the league office was trying to ruin the Super Bowl for New England. The investigation and false leaks couldnt be that ridiculous by accident. Why else would someone purposely leak information that 11 of the 12 balls were deflated by more than 2psi, knowing that they dont know what the starting point was prior to the game. It was flat out wrong, and the “leaker” knew it was flat out wrong but leaked it anyways. The NFL went out of their way to make this is gigantic distraction. By never coming out and saying that the information that was leaked was false, they were essentially “admitting it was true” in the eyes of a lot of people.

    The 3rd issue I have is that there could really be something sinister going on here on the Colts side of things. Everyone keeps saying the proof that the Pats cheated is that the Colts balls werent affected by weather, so therefore the Pats cheated. But the truth is, the weather would have affected the balls between about .3 – .5 psi. If the Pats balls started at 12.5, any loss of psi makes them out of spec, where at the same time, the Colts may have started at 13, 0r even 13.5psi. Losing .5 psi from a ball that is 13-13.5psi is going to keep the balls legal. It doesnt mean they werent affected, we cant say that, but we can say they werent affected enough to be out of spec. The argument that the Colts balls were still legal, therefore the Pats cheated argument is hollow. It is like saying the bank got robbed on Tuesday, you were at the bank on Tuesday, so you definitely robbed the bank.

    So as a fan that expects petty jealousy from the people in the NFL, this is not really a surprise. The only ball that was significantly under inflated (under inflated enough that I have no doubt someone let the air out of it) is a ball that just so happened to be in the possession of the Colts for 25 mins. Is it that big of a stretch to think, gee, the Colts were planning on tipping off the league about deflated balls, they just needed a reason? I dont think that is a stretch at all. Enter Jackson with an interception. Now the Colts feel the ball, and think, that doesnt feel deflated at all, let some air out of it and turn it into the league… If that is the case, setting up a team and then accusing them of cheating, in my eyes is waaaay worse than what the Pats are accused of doing. I agree that cheating shouldnt be tolerated. I am also not naive that teams arent using what they can for an advantage. But as they say, the coverup is worse than the crime. Well, to me, a set up is worse then the cover up. You talk about integrity, if the Colts deflated a ball, turned it over to the league and told the league to investigate the Patriots, that is as LOW as it gets.

    Lastly, it seems pretty clear the more that comes out, this wasnt intended to cost the Patriots draft picks and fines. This was simply supposed to be a distraction, and embarrass Brady, Belichick and the Pats. Mission accomplished. The bonus for these folks is that they know that 31 fan bases love to hate the Patriots (I get it, its the same reason I hate the Yankees, cuz they win too damn much). So all they had to do is leak to Kravitz that the Pats are being investigated, and BOOM! The flood gates opened. Within hours people were calling for Belichick to be suspended and/or fired. Brady should be suspended. The Pats should be removed from the Super Bowl. Kraft should be forced to sell the team. It went nuclear real fast. That was the point. Mission accomplished Grigson, Irsay, Pagano, possibly Harbaugh, mission accomplished. When the Pats are throwing bombs in the 4th quarter next year at Lucas Oil Stadium, with a 45 point lead, remember this moment…

  78. Funny when Roger was mishandling everything else Krafty supported him now that he’s actually investing something the correct way Krafty is mad he’s a joke and fraud just like the entire Cheatriot organization ****

  79. Aside from that, I think the deflated ball thing is just stupid. Even if they did do it, which they probably did, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, unless they keep telling us they didn’t. I kind of think it’s like a pitcher loading up the ball. Yeah, it’s illegal, but it’s kind of accepted that everyone does it.

    And no one hates the Pats because they win. That’s ridiculous. Everyone loves a winner. There have been other winning teams that everyone loved. In fact, just about everyone in America loved them before Spygate. I did. But that left me bitter on them. And their pompous, better than you attitude ever since has made me hate them even more.

  80. Truth here is there was no deflategate except in the minds of people who wanted to see the Pats squirm before the Superbowl. They had hopes that it would distract them enough to lose the game thereby allowing them to create headlines like Cheaters never Prosper” and it didn’t happen.

    When will people realize that the Pats are going to rise above that type of reporting every time. Your not hurting them you are helping them.
    So when butt hurt Harbaugh calls butt hurt Pagano, they create a story about deflated footballs. That is a real problem when people put out lies and have no evidence except from a supposed deflated ball given by criminal Jackson to Pagano who stuck a needle in it and handed it to an official. Kraft will get an apology and you all haters can just keep hating. When the truth reveals itself you can eat your crow. PATS GOAT.

  81. This whole situation has been inflated to the point of absurdity and shows the dirty underbelly of sports media and football administration. One bright light in this whole media witch-hunt is Michael Hurley’s article from CBS Sports. It makes me ask: Why aren’t the Colts being questioned as the last person to see the deceased…the football?

  82. the video taping and deflated footballs as part of their legacy only exists with non rational, patriot hating lunatics that hold childish grudges against belichick, brady and kraft for being some consistent as a dominant team. get over it people, they’re a great team…with or without these so called “competitive advantages”

  83. Still waiting for an answer from the fellowship of the miserable on here: What rule were the Patriots found to have broken from 2001-04? Pretty simple question.

  84. Everyone cheats, but it seems like the Pats cheat at everything. They have been accused of or found guilty of Spygate, deflatgate, incorrect injury reports and in game infractions. There have also been rules created or never heard of before until it occurs in a Pats game ( Tuck rule, Hitting a QB low). So I understand why people might dislike the Pats, but they are still a very good team with a very good coach.

  85. And no one hates the Pats because they win. That’s ridiculous. Everyone loves a winner. There have been other winning teams that everyone loved. In fact, just about everyone in America loved them before Spygate.

    ————–

    actually thats not entirely accurate. There was maybe a brief period in 2004-06 where the Patriots were considered by the national observers as elite. A lot of fands like razzle dazzle offense and werre genuinely mad that the Patriots “took warner and Faulk’s super bowl away from them”. Even as late as 2003, Brady was seen as a Dilfer-like game manager who got lucky.

  86. And no one hates the Pats because they win. That’s ridiculous. Everyone loves a winner. There have been other winning teams that everyone loved. In fact, just about everyone in America loved them before Spygate.

    ————–

    actually thats not entirely accurate. There was maybe a brief period in 2004-06 where the Patriots were considered by the national observers as elite. A lot of casual fans like razzle dazzle offense and werre genuinely mad that the Patriots “took warner and Faulk’s super bowl away from them”. Even as late as 2003, Brady was seen as a Dilfer-like game manager who got lucky.

  87. Do you think Kraft reads this board and laughs at the silly Patriot haters as much as I do?

    I think he does. Can’t blame him. It’s FUN!

  88. Sorry Pats fans. At this point your first three Super Bowls are definitely tainted. This one the jury is still out on. If anyone tampered with the footballs this one is tainted as well. Play it straight, then you dont have to worry about these things.

  89. By that standard, the Ravens have also won 10% (2/19) of Super Bowls since their inception (1996). And they’ve done it without cheating.

  90. Just a friendly reminder, you guys know there was no actual deflategate, right? The refs didn’t even record the ball inflation levels, they just checked them by hand and said they were fine. At halftime, after the Colts started whining, they checked them again and 11 of 12 were below 12.5 by just a “few ticks” — precisely what happens in those atmospheric conditions. The only one that was significantly under was the the one the Colts equipment staff screwed around with.

    Brady, Belichick, Kraft, and everyone at every level of the Patriots organization has strenuously denied the charges, and there are no facts — none — to support them. That’s why the NFL’s “just a couple of days” investigation has dragged on for nearly a month, because they are trying to find anything to get them out of this beartrap they purposefully stuck their foot in.

    Frankly, if I were Kraft, I would hire some guys to do this to every single team the Patriots play. Every minuscule rulebook violation or stunt or even suspicion of a trick will be fully documented and reported to the league. They tried to bring down the World Champs, and that means war.

  91. sadsackashizz says:
    Feb 6, 2015 8:51 AM
    There are credible allegations that they filmed practices & walkthoughs before the Super Bowls, specifically against the Rams.

    ——————–

    Wow, “credible allegations.” HANG THEM! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

  92. babygaga19 says: Feb 6, 2015 7:14 AM

    No worries Kraft, your good buddy Roger will make this all go away. Promise.

    Are you freaking high? His “buddy” made spygate into a mountain to make a name for himself. (He has since retracted about the significance of spygate and has blamed it on his inexperience of being a new commissioner at the time) He was trying to overshadow the greatness and legacy of Pete Roselle. He has allowed Deflategate to happen. He again has torched the “Patriot Brand”. I hope Kraft smartens up and realizes that his “buddy” is nothing more than a self-centered, back stabbing A-wipe.

  93. Shady Brady and Belicheat! says:Feb 6, 2015 8:43 AM

    @grogansheroes

    And as for taping teams practices? Never happened.

    Oh it happened that is why Goodell destroyed the tapes so fast (no other reason)

    No other reason? How about if the videos showed every team they were taping to be doing the exact same thing? That wouldn’t be a huge scandal to you?

  94. Lots on SPECULATION by people who don’t know a thing about why the league chose to destroy the tapes of “spygate”.

    Let me add my own speculation to that.

    When BB turned in his tape library it included several games where neither of the teams on the field was the Patriots.

    Why you might ask, because the most logical reason to make these tapes is to trade them with other teams. When Roger saw how blown out of proportion the whole thing became he decided to nip it in the bud.

  95. By that standard, the Ravens have also won 10% (2/19) of Super Bowls since their inception (1996). And they’ve done it without cheating.
    ——————–
    Pretty miraculous recovery by Lewis that last Super Bowl year huh?

  96. Outside of NE, fans will ALWAYS know the victories are tainted…and that drives PAT fan CRAZY!!! Just look at how they troll these stories.

  97. how is it possible that fans of other teams still bring up the false report of the taping of the Rams walk-through as “proof” the Pats cheated? Do you STILL not know the paper that printed this story later issued a full retraction, and a public apology to the Patriots?
    Seriously….just Google it: Boston Herald apology Rams walk through

    the truth shall set you free….

  98. Championships:
    01 – Patriots
    03 – Patriots
    04 – Red Sox
    04 – Patriots
    07 – Celtics
    11 – Bruins
    13 – Red Sox
    14 – Patriots

    They hate us cause they aint us.

  99. Everyone cheats, but it seems like the Pats cheat at everything. They have been accused of or found guilty of Spygate, deflatgate, incorrect injury reports and in game infractions. There have also been rules created or never heard of before until it occurs in a Pats game ( Tuck rule, Hitting a QB low).

    ————–

    The tuck rule was called against the Patriots in another game that very season, but hey, don’t let facts get in the way……..

  100. Guess what Krafty lots of fans of the NFL are upset to because your cheating organization got caught cheating again. But it will be OK Roger will make it go away or burn all the evidence

  101. maybe he should threaten to move the team again?
    ————
    He has never ever proposed moving the team outide New England.

  102. The problem for the Pats is there is precedent. The Saints had their head coach suspended for an entire year for actions he and the league agreed, he didn’t know about. But as head coach he should have.
    So even if the HC and qb claim ignorance, ???Not saying its fair but like I said, there is precedent
    Personally I’m no patriots fan but all this talk about tainted championships is a load of c-ap
    The draft 28,29 30 every year and still win championships. I hate them, their fans are obnoxious, but I respect them.

  103. Jerry Rice and Stick’em on his hands

    Jerry Rice’s stats****
    Bill Walsh is a known cheater*****
    80’s Niners*****
    70’s Steelers****

    You loser fans sound so pathetic!!!

  104. When Carroll, coach of the ill-fated Seattle Seahawks, decided to forgo the sure thing and throw the ball into the teeth of the New England’s defense, chucking away the Super Bowl in the process, the decision went down as the worst in the history of coaching, if not the annals of thought itself.

    Thus, Pete Carrolling was born.

    — I love that quote

  105. usually in my experiences when someone continues to flap ones arms up in the air and make so much noise is usually trying to deflect the issue at hand….

  106. From Kraft’s own mouth: “……….we will do WHATEVER it TAKES to WIN………”

    Hmmmm……………….seems to me that would INCLUDE a certain qb having his footballs “perfect”.

    Wow……just wow!!!!!

  107. The more this arrogant guy speaks, the more my hate for the Pats grows. just shut up already. You just won the Super Bowl by cheating & got away with it again!

  108. There should be no apology because Patriots cheated..I believe The NFL will try to sweep this under the rug so there is no more backlash that the SuperBowl Champs are CHEATERS..Just like Matt Walsh, yeah I know you are probably saying who? That’s what The NFL and Patriots want you to say but just google Patriots Matt Walsh and you can still find some stuff that The NFL did not manage to pay and take down.. Patriots have tainted Rings, They will never have full credit next to the titles they have… Just like people want an asterisk next to Roger Clemons I want the same thing on the actual Lombardi Trophies that Patriots won..From Ted Johnson spilling the beans to Doug Flutie spilling the beans that Brady’s helmet is rigged..It’s easy to be a great QB when someone is in your helmet telling you where to throw and who is open when someone is in a box high up on the field..Also what is with these Patriots fan sites like Sports Illustrated calling Patriots a “Dynasty” ? Last time they won a superbowl it was over 10 years ago! So if Raiders go ahead and win another Super Bowl ever again then does that mean they are a “Dynasty” as soon as they win it? They will have 4 rings just like Patriots so what’s the difference?
    STILL Patriots have NOT won a superbowl WITHOUT cheating

  109. Someone explain to me why you call the Patriots cheaters. All they did was tape the sideline during one game. Before that game everyone was taping the opposing sidelines.

    Every other thing that they’ve been accused of has been discredited and proven wrong.

    Without a real explanation all I could think is that you people are just not very smart

  110. Pretty pathetic Go For Two

    No objective evidence supports the idea that the pats cheated and there WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE AN ASTERICK ON ANY OF THEIR TITLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  111. “Shady Brady and Belicheat! ”

    I don’t know why I do this to myself, but I feel the need to respond to you and just ask some questions on your theories.

    So based on all of the facts I have seen be released by the NFL and in the various investigations Spygate was the taping of sidelines of signals and stuff like the that. They even let various media members come in and watch the films. You can find this information, because its what the allegations proved. Roger Goodell decided to destroy the information because he didn’t want everyone to have this library of signals obtained against the rules.

    You allege that Goodell destroyed the tape because it was evidence of filmed practices. But let me ask you a question. If I had a tape that could end in an even larger scandal, would I stand up in front of the media and tell them I destroyed the tape? ….. Or would I just never mention such tape? It would be like a murderer sitting in court and saying, “I destroyed all of the evidence that proves I’m a murderer”. As opposed to a murderer saying “There is no evidence of me committing that murder”

    Facts are stubborn things…

  112. So if Raiders go ahead and win another Super Bowl ever again

    Except the Raiders will never win another Super Bowl ever again so your thought is irrelevant.

    That’s what happens when Al pays off a ref to make the worst call in the history of professional sports.

    Karma hurts doesn’t it.

  113. The funny thing about spygate that people that keep bringing it up don’t seem to realize is that filming wasn’t wasn’t against the rules until 2007. The pats didn’t get penalized for what happened before 2007 because they didn’t break any rule before 2007

    Another funny thing is that those same people think it is against the rules to try to steal opponents signals. Again, what they don’t realize is that there has never been a rule against trying to steal signals and every team has people in their organization that try to do it and it is perfectly legal and done by everyone.

    And for those people that like to point out the pats never won a championship after spygate (besides going to 2 SB’s and losing both in the final 2 minutes of both by a combined total of 5 points)……oh snap!!!!!!

  114. Anyone else like how Patriots fans boo’ed Goodell as he presented the Lombardi?

    It felt good. He’s slimy and at least authorizing these leaks

  115. Takes a lot of balls to continually complain about being investigated for cheating. He should be thanking the Lord above that the Patriots have gotten away with it so far and that they even were allowed to play in the Super Bowl.

  116. So Montana deflated footballs, Rice used illegal stickup in order to make catches he normally wouldn’t be able to, the 49ers repeatedly violated the salary cap, turned off headset communication for the other team and the Patriots are cheaters????

  117. Probably the dumbest statement a number of people have said before this past Sunday was “Patriots haven’t won a Superbowl since Spygate…..just saying”. And these people say it like it’s case closed, nothing left to say.

    If you want to weed out the haters versus the people who may actually have a brain in their heads you could start with these geniuses.

  118. Next year you will be crying about how the evil Pats are running up the scores on your teams and there will be nothing you can do about it except cry “cheaters” and pushing that button will just make them run the score up even higher.

    I can’t wait, keep pushing that button.

  119. There is now 25 teams that haven’t won a Super Bowl since “spygate.”

    The team in New England ain’t one of them. Must make the haters so mad.

    that’s organizations… since each team is different every year, the total is closer t0 225 different teams haven’t won since “Spygate.”

  120. NFL has zero Integrity because:
    #1: Unsubstantiated recording of PSI by the NFL Officiating crew, not only in this game but in all other previous games, as the NFL has zero policy on proper scientific standards of recording.
    #2: Inaccurate/false leaking of information
    #3: NFL Rules seek to prevent unfair advantage in a game – Rule 17 was not broken/violated in the AFC championship since it was PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALL the footballs on both teams had zero impact on the outcome of the game.
    #4: 5th Grade Science as well as college science dictates loss of air pressure as temperature drops. DUH – We all know this with pure scientific observation of our tires drop in air pressure every winter – DUH
    #5: Defamation of Character is a SERIOUS CRIME people – wake up Haters and smell the stink of your own biased self righteous bigotry.
    #6: UNFAIR ADVANTAGE was given to he Seahawks via two weeks of false reporting by the NFL, news media and general public believing the reported errors and misinformation.
    #7: Goodell hires high priced law firm to ONLY investigate the Patriots thus creating a smear campaign started by the colts – who by the way – had possession of the ONLY football under 2psi.
    #8: Defamation of Character/ Slander is a CRIME but this is of no concern to Goodell. It is a fact that Goodell feels he can breake the rules by not doing an impartial fact gathering analysis from BOTH teams while LEAKING false info to the news media that slanders/defames the Patriots. – These are the FACTS !!!

  121. That’s the beauty of it. Not only will the Patriots dance away from this imaginary, Colts-invented “scandal” with a Super Bowl trophy, it is actually making people rethink the media screw job that was Spygate.

    It’s been a fun year already.

  122. 6superbowls: God I love when Steelers fans ignore how their OWN TEAM DOCTOR a few years ago was pinched with 500k in HGH in his trunk and then feign indignation at the manufactured, impactless spygate and the baseless deflategate.

    If you ask me a team full of HGH users gaining strength, improved recovery and better healing would be LIGHT YEARS more impactful than the dumb things you judge Pats over and much closer to CHEATING.

    Me personally, I would NEVER denegrate the excellence of the Steelers organization or say their 6 titles were anything less than 100% legitimate. Because let’s face it Im sure Steelers weren’t the only team using HGH.

    That said it’s time for Steeler fans to get off their high horse. Doping is MUCH MORE CHEATING than recording signals in a game from the wrong location or a pretend controversy about balls where Pats did no wrong.

  123. “Even if Spygate and Deflategate is part of the Patriots’ legacy, too.”

    ——————————————

    Well, one thing we know, regardless of what it is, if someone, somewhere has whispered the slightest hint of impropriety by the Patriots, the haters will hold that up as indisputable FACT.

    Just as “spygate” is repeatedly held up as an example of “cheating”, which is nonsense. Not cheating, but camera placement. Other teams – including the Jets during the playoffs the previous year – have been busted for the same thing, but only the Pats suffered the wrath of Goodell (former Jets employee).

    Just as the mythical taping of the Rams’ runthrough – long since debunked as not having happened – is brought up over and over.

    Just as the deflated footballs – well, “football”, actually – have been endlessly used as evidence of cheating – when no one has all the fact yet.

    There is so much hate directed at the Patriots based on nothing, and it gets tiresome. And people will continue to make broad, unsupported statements about multiple instances of cheating. So, it actually doesn’t matter how the deflated football investigation comes out. Haters will hate, and continue to cite misinformation.

    There have been countless examples of franchises cheating – or bending the rules, however you want to look at it – over the years, and yet only the Pats get stuck with that label over and over, but with far less on their side of the ledger.

  124. Sure, Bobby. I’ll bet you are just about as “ticked off” as the people that believe your team skirts the rules to get ahead. We feel for ya, guy.

  125. He doesn’t sound like someone who is cooperating with an investigation and definitely does not want to show any remorse for the equipment not meeting league specifications (within the rules).

    I seem to remember the commissioner coming down HARD on people that don’t cooperate or appear to show remorse (Adrian Peterson).

  126. @FoozieGrooler, sadsackashizz, and all of the HATERS out there:

    1. The Patriots NEVER filmed any teams practice.

    2. They’ve NEVER been accused of tampering with another teams players…But the Jets have.

    3. There are NO * (asterisks, just in case you didn’t know what that is), on any of their SB wins.

    4. The DOLTS were in possession of the alleged ball that was 2psi below the 12.5psi limit for 15-20 minutes before giving it over to the refs at halftime.

    So, do what I did, and go to Google, Yahoo, or whatever and really do some research on SPYGATE. What I found amazed me, it allowed me to form my own opinion, rather than just start putting out accusations.

    Since SPYGATE NE has had the best winning percentage in the NFL.

    Get over it people the Patriots are that good of an organization!

  127. What he actually said: “Our crack team of former Nazi Scientists are working hard to find new and inventive ways to obfuscate the system, with Heir Goodell at our side, we are confident we can ensure we are absolved of any wrongdoing to ensure our legacy. Plans are already in place for our spies to infiltrate other organizations, provide intelligence and/or chaos, and then return to the nest (see Agent Blount – Codename ENDO). As to NFLPA leadership, we have 3 agents (Vinatieiri, Watson, and Waters) already internally positioned and ready to begin a coup to ensure our reign over all facets of the Shield. Finally, the London Jets Initiative is still on pace for the 2020 relocation.

  128. You’re ALL wasting your time. This is sports. This is religion. What you think depends on what altar you worship at. This has nothing to do with facts.

  129. To all pats fans out there. Stop trying to convince the haters that their hate is unfounded. It’s kinda like telling a terrorist that their thoughts are wrong. It will never happen. Just sit back and enjoy the wins and laugh at them as you read the hate mail.

  130. “if my teams’ legacy was about to be destroyed for cheating”…LOL!

    I love all the talk of cheating. Caught taping in an illegal position. Guilty as charged. Admitted to.
    Taping practices at Super Bowl and used in game vs. Rams. Innocent and proven by NFL.
    DeflateGate..laughable. Only ONE ball 2 psi low. All others only a tick under 12.5. Spotlight turns to Colts!

    4 time Super Bowl Champs….PRICELESS!

    Keep hatin’ America. You hate us cause you Ain’t us !!

  131. ace3hundred says:
    Feb 6, 2015 7:14 AM
    What is he mad about? It is their job to investigate claims of cheating. If it was another team he would excpect the same!!
    What is he mad about? Let me give you a hint. It is not about there being an investigation. A charge has been made and needs to be dealt with. The problem is that before any investigation has been concluded, while false information is and has been spread, while all sorts of people who really know nothing about the facts have jumped to their own conclusions ,the “mob” seems to want the Patriots to be declared guilty and be hung. Robert Kraft is saying wait until the investigation is complete and if all of these accusers are found to be wrong , at least have the decency to admit it. Simple as that.

  132. Atlanta caught piping in crowd noise … Indy caught piping in crowd noise … Minnesota and Carolina heating up kicking balls on the sidelines so that they’ll kick further in cold weather … Seattle most PED fines in the NFL … Dallas? What haven’t they done! Damn! The list goes on, but the big story is that New England used an underinflated football (ONE underinflated football out of twelve) that was in Indy’s possession … Lets think about this, the team that got caught and slapped on the wrist for piping in crowd noise had the ONLY ball that was 2 psi underinflated … hmmmm!

    Not only are the Pats innocent, they might be the ONLY innocent team in the entire league!

  133. We’re all upset. There is no place in the game for cheaters. None of your accomplishments can be legitimized. Who knows what else goes on in that wretched place?

  134. BREAKING NFL NEWS UPDATE on DEFLATE-GATE & SB XLIX
    AFC Championship Game Colts vs PATRIOTS
    Brady & Pats rack up 17 points in first half, Brady realizes ‘Hey! Underinflated footballs cost me an interception and 7 points, damn if I will let that happen again, and so Pats inflate footballs to proper NFL specs. RESULTS Pats 28 – colts 0 in second half.
    Now it gets even BETTER.
    Tom Brady calls Aaron Rodgers and asks for advice on how to beat the Seahawks. Rodgers says ‘Listen Tom, just overinflate the balls to 14psi, the way I like em, and you will win – TRUST ME & RELAX!
    Superbowl XLIX– 1st HALF – All footballs are proper NFL specs, Dammit – Brady still gets intercepted.
    2nd HALF – Brady sneaks in a 14psi football (signed by Aaron Rodgers) and scores 14 unanswered points in fourth quarter to win the game!
    Brady texts Rodgers – “IT WORKED – THANKS”
    Don’t believe me? Rodgers was there at the game – PROOF!
    Well it is PROOF according to your tainted jealous filled condemnation of the New England Patriots.
    4X SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS and COUNTING!!!
    GO PATS!
    P.S. Aaron Rodgers signed the 14 psi football so Brady & the Ball Boy knew which one to grab (laughing at you Lynch) when it came to 4th Quarter Crunch Time!

  135. Marshawn Lynch should do a Planters Nut Commercial.

    All he has to say is “GRAB YOUR NUTS LATELY”

  136. I JUST LOOKED AT THE WORLD CHAMPIONS LOMBARDI TROPHIES AGAIN… AND THEY ARE ALL STILL SO SHINY!

    WHAT DO YOU SAY PATRIOT HATERS? ISN’T THAT GREAT?

  137. “ALL OF AMERICAN EXCEPT DELUSIONAL PATRIOT FANS IN BOSTON KNOWS THEY CHEATED AND ARE TAINTED FOREVER.”

    Translation: I need to find an excuse why the Patriots are so damn good because they’re making my team look like they suck really bad.

  138. I love all the people claiming Goodell and Kraft are buddies.
    If that were true, do you think the NFL would have allowed the deflategate witch hunt to go viral for the 2 weeks before the Superbowl??
    Biggest farce in NFL history. If I were Robert Kraft I would take the NFL and Goodell to court when this whole thing is exposed as a sham in a couple of months.

  139. azarkhan says:
    Feb 6, 2015 7:12 AM
    New England Patriots = the gold standard of the NFL.
    _______________________________________

    The New England Patriots = Kings of the Asterisk**

  140. I remember the great dynasty teams of the 49 ers and Steelers, Bills and Vikes, the later two never won a super bowl but went four times.

    The thing it those teams stayed together pretty much because free agency didn’t exost.

    Compared to what happens now with guys coming and going and trying to be consistent, the Patriots may very well be a dynasty but in a different way. They find a way to keep winning with different people.

  141. Regardless if they cheated or not, the NFL had a bad year and really starting to have no integrity. Starting look like WWE when I watch the NFL. The games look fixed.

  142. Patriots did not cheat, its more apparent by the day, except to those trolls and cry babies who don’t want to read the new information and are still clinging desperately to the false and incorrect information from 2 weeks ago.

    They are just too stubborn to educate themselves, would rather cover their ears and yell over and over again that the Pats are cheaters. Kind of like a toddler.

    Keep the hate alive guys, let it consume you. Lots of sour grapes from teams the Pats have beaten steadily over the last decade and a half. I kind of feel sorry for a lot of those teams. Maybe someday the Bills will make the playoffs again, but I doubt it will be soon since they just brought in Ryan.

  143. It’s real simple Bobby: If your team would stop breaking the rules, investigations like this would not be necessary. Maybe you’re angry because “your guys” have something to hide. It’s no accident that controversy always finds the Patriots almost exclusively.

    I hope you elitist Patriots fans enjoy these glory years because it’s all over when Brady hangs up the cleats. At age 37, the end is getting near.

  144. UMASS and NE, tainted with asterisks. Allowed by the NFL? Did you really say that? It went viral based on the validity of the evidence. Yes, in USA we do allow freedom of the press unless we are to live in your snow bound world where it is okay to suppress free speech and question rules that were clearly broken, as is the legacy in NE from the documented records, lost draft picks, $500K fine. Let’s not all say we are so innocent now, just finding new ways to cheat the Patriot Way – We Cheat NE1.

  145. well boo who Robert! Nobody cares what you think.

    —–

    YOU CLICKED ON A ROBERT KRAFT TOPIC AND COMMENTED ON IT. SO YOU CARE, AND YOU CARE A LOT.
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  146. “And we”ll do whatever we can to put our team in a position to do that.” Really Mr. Kraft? Then please give a specific definition to “whatever we can.”

  147. To everyone complaining that the Seahawks should have run the ball with Lynch.

    Let’s apply the ‘What IF’ Law of Events and see how Super Bowl XLIX really ends.

    ‘What IF’ Law of Events states: Each opponent applies one ‘What IF’ to the game. Each ‘What IF must be Balanced/Play for Play.

    OK – READY -SET – GO

    ‘What IF’ Seahawks hand ball to Lynch at end of game = TOUCH DOWN

    ‘What IF’ Brady does not throw interception in first half endzone = TOUCH DOWN

    Super Bowl XLIX ‘What IF’ Final Score =
    PATRIOTS 35
    Seahawks 31

  148. Caught taping in an illegal position.


    Except it was not illegal. By rule, they can tape from wherever they want as long as the information gathered from said tape wasn’t used during the game.

    That IS what the rulebook said in its EXACT words. And that’s exactly the reasoning that Bill said he used when he did it.

    For some reason Der Kommissar Goodell decided that the rule didn’t really mean what it said so he just invented a punishment because he could.

    The whole spygate thing was a complete, utter, unquestionable, undeniable, indisputable farce. And for that matter… so is the commissioner.

    That is not an opinion. That’s a fact.

  149. The NFL analysts were predicting a close game and that “One Play” will determine the outcome of the game. They just did not know which team was going to make that “One Play”.

    Well, they got that one right and Boy, What a play it was!

    Most are saying that this was top five best ever super bowls.

    Butler’s game winning interception at the one yard line with only seconds left in the game = PRICELESS.

    Sherman’s face going from ‘eating a Snickers’ to “OH MY God” “NO NO”

    PRICELESS

  150. “ALL OF AMERICAN EXCEPT DELUSIONAL PATRIOT FANS IN BOSTON KNOWS THEY CHEATED AND ARE TAINTED FOREVER.”

    Translation: I need to find an excuse why the Patriots are so damn good because they’re making my team look like they suck really bad.
    ————

    Alternate Translation: I WISH MY BILLS PLAYED IN THE CFL WHERE THEY BELONG. AT LEAST THAT WAY WHEN SCOTT NORWOOD CHOKES WIDE RIGHT WE STILL GET A POINT.

  151. Lowest number of fumbles per touch since 2006. Almost double the next closest team. 2006 is when each team starting using their own balls. Before that the pats were on par with the rest of the league.

    Deflategate is real! The pats are cheaters and the turnover battle is the greatest indicator of WIN or LOSE! It’s not just one game against the Colts its been going on for years!

  152. – ….”and we’ll do whatever we can to put our team in position to do that.” (win another Superbowl)

    Yeah, you’ve made that pretty clear over the years…douche.

  153. The source of Charles Haley’s jealousy over Brady is this;

    Haley was a player on five teams that won a superbowl – thus his five rings.

    Brady has led the same team to 6 Super Bowls and has 4 SB victories and 3 Super Bowl MVP awards.

    Brady is a Super Bowl MVP LEADER.

    Haley is just a player!

  154. I’m glad I’m not a pats fan. I’d be embarrassed if my team won under these circumstances.


    I AM SO HAPPY I’M NOT A STEELER FAN. 0 LEGIT TITLES (4 BY ILLEGAL ROIDS, 2 BY REFS) AND GETTING WHOOPED BY THE PATRIOTS EVERY TIME WE PLAY THEM.

    4 LEGIT TITLES > 0. EVEN A CHILD CAN TELL YOU THAT, SILLY!

  155. nflnfl13 says:
    Feb 6, 2015 10:46 AM
    “And we”ll do whatever we can to put our team in a position to do that.” Really Mr. Kraft? Then please give a specific definition to “whatever we can.”
    ANSWER: We will kick your A**
    We will kick your A** some more
    We will kick your A** out the door!
    I know for a fact Gronk will.
    Yours Truly,
    R.K.

  156. An apology isn’t enough , if the NFL can’t prove there was any wrong doing by the patriots , they need to award them draft picks as compensation , either as added compensary or taken from the colts .

  157. I love how all the Patriot fans come here to circle jerk and try to convince each other that their team isn’t a bunch of lowly cheaters from hell.

    It’s just hilarious.

  158. Science is a good thing, and anyone with just the simplest understanding of science would know that weather and temperature will affect the PSI’s in an inflated object, whether thath object is a football, basketball, balloon, or tires. Just like tires, balls should be tested in the condition they are being played in, as this gives you the most accurate readings.

    It is time the the house of the NFL offices is cleaned out. Anyone who made statements that were not authorize should be terminated. Goodell should be terminated for allowing this deflated ball issue to go unchecked without making corrections. Stating that you are investigating the Patriots was wrong. Statement should have said only that the NFL was investigating issues with the balls, not the balls of one team or another. For any league to allow the rumors to swirl unchecked without corrections shows that the only thing they were looking for was to stir up controversy to gain more viewership to break their viewership record for most watched super bowl.

    Finally, it’s time for the Patriot haters to get over your jealousy. Jumping on a bandwagon that has no proof of wrongdoing, and only speculation, shows you to be a poor loser who refused to even acknowledge or admit that basic science is on the side of the Patriots. There has only been unofficial statements, with no records of starting PSI measurements, no record of measurements at halftime.

    As a diehard Lions fan, I am the first person to scream at the stupid stunts of Suh and Raiola, or the stupid play calls or challenge flag throwing that jim swartz use to do. It is my hope that with the calm of Caldwell, what we fans saw this past season from the Lion’s means they might actually have a chance to get to a super bowl. What caldwell has brought to the Lion’s has been more discipline, the same discipline that Belichick has brought to the Patriots for the last 15 years and discipline is what makes a good team and elite team, which is exactly what the Patriot’s are.

    So I say to the Patriot haters: Grow up!

  159. Yeaaah… I still love the way jackasses try to make it seem that Spygate and Deflategate (which is slowly starting to look like a big pile of lies) actually had an impact on them actually winning games. Did the break the rules with Spygate? Yup… they did. And they paid the penalty for it. The issue there was that they were taping signals (signals that EVERYONE IN THE STADIUM CAN SEE) from the wrong location. Yup, it was wrong. But, that’s not why they won.

    You know why they won? Cause they’re better than you. They’re better than the team you root for. And they always will be.

  160. It’s too bad Brady had so much problems with the balls the league provided. Oh wait a minute he has been quite good starting the 2nd half of AFC championship and up through SB. And no fumbles either. PATS deflate all the haters as they win SB.

  161. Let us compare the 49’ers and Patriots dynasties.
    The 49’ers did not have to deal with the salary cap or free agency like the Pats. Look at the talent level on both sides of the ball and you will see the Pats have accomplished more with less.
    Not many HOF candidates outside the QB on most of these SB teams for the Pats while the 49’ers had more. Not to diminish the accomplishments of the 49’ers because they were impressive but so are the Pats.

  162. Bottom Line:

    Players like Adrian Peterson need to show remorse for their actions or they get indefinitely suspended…… After they’ve been delivered a sentence in the Court of Law…

    Owners like Kraft can show no remorse… demand everyone else apologize to HIM… Even though his organization has cheated in the past– and been caught cheating again….

    I imagine Goodell will somehow look past the whole “show remorse” thing THIS time.

  163. Well, maybe to save yourself from all that anger and frustration, maybe quit cheating? The fake outrage to the media by you and your cronies isn’t fooling anyone. I swear, these guys think it’s the WWE or something.

  164. I love how all the Patriot fans come here to circle jerk and try to convince each other that their team isn’t a bunch of lowly cheaters from hell.

    It’s just hilarious.
    _________________________________

    funny you love how patriots fans are on the message boards about articles about their team. I don’t read articles about other irrelevant loser teams, but clearly the pats area more interesting article then your team. you non pats fans running around with zero evidence and actually zero information and making bold facts. not a single factual thing is known about this case from any info released by the NFL but you are all making facts and calling for a punishment before the ruling.

    remind me again who is circle jerking?

  165. I think I’d be taking the Patriots against the spread when they play the Colts next year, as well as the over.

    Thinking something like 73-3, and the three by the Colts is only because the Patriots respect what Vinatieri means to Patriot history.

  166. Time for fans and sponsors to be “really upset” and “ticked off” that 10 percent of superbowls have an “*” beside them.

  167. if they had not been caught cheating several times already,nobody would be calling for an investigation now.most of the time when you see the smallest amount of smoke,fire can’t be too far behind.

  168. I hope deflategate is part of their legacy. When they find the Colts tried to frame the Patriots of cheating and are fined a draft pick it will go down as the saddest moment in NFL history.

    When a nation put its jealousy in front of its principals and condemned innocent people and the Patriots were ultimately vindicated.

  169. I am more ticked off and upset by the media and Patriots fan’s double standard when it comes to dealing with the Patriots. Making excuses for their cheating, ignoring Rob “I’m a baller bro” Gronkowski doing the same childish stuff that Johnny Football does or ignoring that Brandon Browner was suspended for PEDS the second he became a member of their team. The list goes on and on. There is little doubt, it requires zero integrity to route for or cover the Patriots.

  170. from the old cheaters mouth….

    We’re hungry as an organization, and we’ll do whatever we can to put our team in position to do that

  171. uglydingo says:
    Feb 6, 2015 7:49 AM
    Please go back to the cheese factory with your deflated trophy. Let the investigation proceed to completion.
    If everyone on your payroll is completely innocent then you have nothing to worry about. However, if that is not the case, then the Commissioner should throw the book at them. Suspensions, fines, loss of Draft picks, etc..

    =================================
    I love these trolls who claim they know all about the Pats / Bob Kraft’s evil ways; their knowledge of Kraft’s background…. just priceless.

    Not proclaiming their innocence or guilt, but the fine for tampering a football is $25 grand. The fines have increased from $10 grand back in the early 90s due to some of the elaborate schemes kickers used to do. After the fines were increased to $25 grand and kickers were still ignoring the rules and fines, the NFL came up with supplying the game day balls exclusive for kicking.

  172. terripet says:
    Kraft you know you should of lost the Super bowl. All the Seattle Db’s were hurt in the game.
    ========================
    Yes it was very unsportsmanlike for the Patriots to play with their first line Personnel. To make it fair, the Patriots should have inactivate them all and play the Practice Squad people first
    . “Terripet…… Life is never fair….. If your Seahawks were fair, your team should have benched all the first team after the first and allow poor Peyton to catch up.

  173. ihatetheeffingjets says:
    Feb 6, 2015 9:19 AM
    By that standard, the Ravens have also won 10% (2/19) of Super Bowls since their inception (1996). And they’ve done it without cheating.
    ——————–
    Pretty miraculous recovery by Lewis that last Super Bowl year huh?

    I guess some people choose to believe a slimy salesman looking to promote his phony product. Funny how nothing ever came from that. Even after clean drug tests.

  174. henry53 says:
    Feb 6, 2015 10:33 AM
    I love all the people claiming Goodell and Kraft are buddies.
    If that were true, do you think the NFL would have allowed the deflategate witch hunt to go viral for the 2 weeks before the Superbowl??
    ——————————————————————–
    It’s not as if the Pats had self reported this. It was brought to the attention of the league by multiple teams. So it had to be addressed. Otherwise, anything the league can squash without tarnishing their imagine, they are going to do (Kraft or otherwise)

  175. The reason your franchise is always under investigation of cheating, is because you cheat.

    So stop cheating and you won’t be investigated. I feel like this is pretty simple to understand.

  176. The Pats haters and dissenters crack me up. Most of the NFL has been caught or accused of infractions. As time goes on and you hear from former players it seems most if not all of the rest of them are guilty of some rule stretching/breaking, they just have not been caught.. I laughed at the individual the other day who used the Steelers and Packers as teams who have won without cheating. Wasn’t it Aaron Rogers that stated he likes football over inflated. Wasn’t it Mike Tomlin who was fined for interfering with a player on the field. The list goes on and on.

    Let me first say that if the Pats were/are found guilty of tampering with footballs after the referee had inspected them they should be punished. The facts or at least the ones that have been released so far show no evidence of such behavior. Goodell has played himself into a corner now and I do not see an easy way out for him. If he lets it drop there will be those who believe he is being easy on a friend. If he fines then with no real evidence to prove tampering he will look inept and leave himself open to other issues with many of the owners

  177. The NFL will apologize and the colts will be ordered to give draft picks to the NE PATRIOTS.

  178. If you want to believe that the Patriots have their SB rings via cheating – then you will believe that and no one will ever convince you otherwise!
    It becomes your Faith, your Belief, and your Self Justified Opinion!

    If you want to see real integrity in football, how about having a policy that actually rewards truth & honesty and expels players/coaches for domestic violence, drugs, DWI resulting in serious injury/death to innocent parties, solicitation of prostitution, unlawful use of firearms, assault & battery, robbery, immoral conduct on & off the field just to name a few.

    Not enough players left to make a team – huh!

  179. I’m very curious as to the number of pro-Pats posters in here who were actually fans of the team before 2001?? Would they know who Chuck Fairbanks, Rod Rust, Stanley Morgan or Andre Tippet were? I don’t actually care one-way-or-another about the Pats (or any other team except my own) although as a lifelong student of NFL history I have to respect the Patriots’ consistent success over the last 14 years. However I have nothing but contempt & disrespect for band-wagon jumpers.

  180. Making excuses for their cheating, ignoring Rob “I’m a baller bro” Gronkowski doing the same childish stuff that Johnny Football does….
    ===
    Gronk doesn’t suck at his job. JFF does. That’s the difference between “Work hard. Party hard,” and “Screw work. Let’s party!”

  181. smasonsmith says:
    Feb 6, 2015 1:57 PM
    Making excuses for their cheating, ignoring Rob “I’m a baller bro” Gronkowski doing the same childish stuff that Johnny Football does….
    ===
    Gronk doesn’t suck at his job. JFF does. That’s the difference between “Work hard. Party hard,” and “Screw work. Let’s party!”

    ————————————–
    Not to mention he’s never skipped out on practice, has always rehabbed strong, performs at a Pro Bowl level when healthy, studies the playbook. But oh yeah, otherwisae they’re exactly alike.

  182. It will be delicious when it comes out that the one ball that was the most underinflated (not just a “tick” under, as were the other 10, as Ian Rapoport reported on NFL.com) was precisely the one the Colts collected on the Jackson interception.

  183. araidersfan says:
    Feb 6, 2015 1:56 PM
    I’m very curious as to the number of pro-Pats posters in here who were actually fans of the team before 2001?? Would they know who Chuck Fairbanks, Rod Rust, Stanley Morgan or Andre Tippet were? I don’t actually care one-way-or-another about the Pats (or any other team except my own) although as a lifelong student of NFL history I have to respect the Patriots’ consistent success over the last 14 years. However I have nothing but contempt & disrespect for band-wagon jumpers.

    —————
    I did know all those folks so I guess I passed the test. I also knew that Fairbanks was the head coach of the team who was absolutely screwed by the Raiders and their buddy Ben Dreith in ’76.

  184. You Pat’s fans cannot face the truth,period.They are known cheaters as in spygate. It happened,and they were heavily fined for it !! Curious is the fact that until this year they have not won a SB after that scandal. As for the balls,they did that too just will be harder to prove.And it was not just one ball,it also happened on November 16th with the Colts which is why their GM wanted them checked this time. Even without deflategate,their SB wins before 2007 are very tainted !! And no,it is not sour grapes – It’s cheating and not fair to other teams that should have maybe had a shot at a SB win.

  185. I was a hockey player as a kid and never watched or played football. My 10th Birthday I was given a BOSTON BRUINS JERSEY which I absolutely loved. Loved Bobby Orr & the Bruins growing up.
    Born and raised in NJ not far from NYC.
    My first super bowl that I watched was Brady & PATS winning their first SB. Well I became an a NE PATS fan at that moment because at first I really liked what the team stands for as far as their NFL symbol – PATRIOTS – RED WHITE & BLUE. Secondly they were the underdogs at that time (still are) and they beat the best NFL team – Greatest Show on Turf.
    As far as the jealous cheating accusations, well jealousy & hatred will cause Blindness, Distortion of Judgment and Loss of Super Bowl wins.
    Now the colts are in big trouble as is the NFL and corrupt news media.

  186. King SCUM speaks again!!! Shut up old man Your team cheated and your only way out of it is being frat buddies with goodell. You now lance Armstrong once said he was innocent too hahaha

  187. 10% of all super bowls, wow great math skills.

    Steelers have 6/49; that’s 12.2% so keep trying/cheating and maybe you’ll get there. I’m sure there are still some rules left to break that the NFL won’t catch.

  188. Anyone that is a fan of the Pats has a right to passionately defend their team. Whether the NFL finds the Pats guilty or not doesnt give some of the commenters the right to call them delusional.
    Im a die hard Ravens fan, and i know that we have some major issues with players. Even our two SB championships was met with critisism – Mostly Ray Lewis tampering (others will say he murdered somebody) and Ray Lewis using deer antler spray.
    The Pats won four, get over it. They aren’t going to take away their titles, so whats the use of making an argument? The Steelers cheated in the 70s with roids and stickum, and they went on to win four. Every generation has its dominant team, and we are living in the Pats era. It’ll be over soon, as the Pretty Boy up north fades away. He is no diffeent than any other great. They ususally overstay their welcome anyway.

    So stop with the hate. Its makes a lot of you sound like idiots. As long as there is compitition, there will be somebody looking to gain an advantage. Its sports.

  189. Who would all you Patriot haters rather have running your team?

    Kraft and Belichick, or

    William Ford, Matt Millen and Rod Marinelli. Heck I’ll even throw in Michael Martz?

  190. Now sources are saying the Colts may of tampered with the ONE ball that was 2 lbs under.
    I want them investigated and the Pats compensated with draft picks from the Colts. Suspensions and fines for the Colts personnel involved as well. More than a coincidence the one ball the colts had and gave to the NFL is way under legal limit. Oh yeah and screw all the PATS haters as we are the SB champs.

  191. araidersfan says:
    Feb 6, 2015 1:56 PM
    I’m very curious as to the number of pro-Pats posters in here who were actually fans of the team before 2001?? Would they know who Chuck Fairbanks, Rod Rust, Stanley Morgan or Andre Tippet were? I don’t actually care one-way-or-another about the Pats (or any other team except my own) although as a lifelong student of NFL history I have to respect the Patriots’ consistent success over the last 14 years. However I have nothing but contempt & disrespect for band-wagon jumpers.
    __________________________
    @ araidersfan… first let me say I love to see other football fans that know the key people from other organizations’ past. So this Pats fan tips his hat to you.

    I became a Pats fan in 1975 at age 8. So I have suffered through seasons like your Raiders have been recently. I also remember when the Raiders were hated and accused of all kinds of dirty tricks to win games and my first thought on the snow bowl game was “finally, payback for Ben Dreith’s roughing the passer call on Sugar Bear Hamilton”. I also remember our then idiot GM Patrick Sullivan getting into it with Howie Long and Matt Millen after a playoff game in 85.

    Now along with some of the names you put out there from the Pats past…how about Russ Francis, Andy Johnson, Sam Bam Cunningham, Mike Haynes (who we lost to your Raiders), Tim Fox, Steve Nelson, Bill Lenkaitis and of course Leon Gray and John Hannah just to name a few.

    Like you I hate the band wagon jumpers. I stuck with my Pats through 2-12 seasons and all kinds of low lights (Lisa Olsen and Zeke Mowat anyone?).

    And for what it is worth, in my opinion one of the great things about the Pats current run of success is etching their place in NFL history the way the great Raiders teams of the 70’s and early 80’s did.

  192. bobhpine says:
    Feb 6, 2015 3:10 PM
    10% of all super bowls, wow great math skills.

    Steelers have 6/49; that’s 12.2% so keep trying/cheating and maybe you’ll get there. I’m sure there are still some rules left to break that the NFL won’t catch.

    ——————-
    For a team that has won so much, Steelers fans show such hatred and rage. Maybe it’s because the Pats have always had their number? Even in the 70s when the Pats were so/so and the Steelers were championship contenders, the Pats always played them well. Not to mention knocking them off in Heinz field championship games twice in the 2000s.

  193. marianfl24 says:
    Feb 6, 2015 2:31 PM
    You Pat’s fans cannot face the truth,period.They are known cheaters as in spygate. It happened,and they were heavily fined for it !! Curious is the fact that until this year they have not won a SB after that scandal.

    —————-

    Yeah, other than that one SB win, two additional SB appearances, and 6 of 7 years in the playoffs they haven’t done jack!

  194. astburyj says:
    Feb 6, 2015 9:25 AM
    Championships:
    01 – Patriots*
    03 – Patriots*
    04 – Red Sox
    04 – Patriots*
    07 – Celtics
    11 – Bruins
    13 – Red Sox
    14 – Patriots*
    ==================
    I fixed it for you!

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