Schneider hints at outside-the-box approach to Wilson contract

AP

With Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson now eligible for a second contract and the team apparently willing to rectify a wage-scale situation that has left him grossly underpaid, the challenge becomes finding a way to pay him enough without making it harder to put a team on the field around him.  Ultimately, the question becomes where Wilson lands in the gulf between Peyton Manning’s grab-ever-dollar approach (and there’s nothing wrong with that) and Colin Kaepernick’s leave-plenty-behind strategy.

The Seahawks may be planning to devise an answer that doesn’t fit within the traditional way of assessing quarterback contracts.  Appearing Tuesday on 710 ESPN Radio in Seattle, G.M. John Schneider said that Wilson’s contract may not look like other quarterback deals, and that the team may use an outside-the-box approach, via John Boyle of the Everett Herald.

It’s unknown what that outside-the-box approach will be.  Perhaps Wilson will receive a fully-guaranteed contract for the life of the deal.  Common in other sports, NFL teams rarely make salaries beyond the first year or two fully guaranteed, giving the team maximum flexibility when it comes to deciding whether to move on from a player.  Fully guaranteeing every dollar of the deal could get Wilson signed at a lower cap number, since the team would be assuming the full risk of the kind of injury that would end or limit Wilson’s career.

That approach would allow Wilson to secure a significant amount of compensation and security without the kind of eye-popping, high-end numbers that:  (1) are rarely realistic; (2) are aimed at making the agent look good; and (3) can create even more resentment of the player in the locker room.

A seven-year, $105 million figure has been mentioned for Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill.  That’s $15 million per year.  What if the Seahawks offered something like that, making the deal fully guaranteed?

It would be simple, but it definitely would be outside the box.  And it could spark increased use of fully-guaranteed contracts by NFL teams.

For now, that’s all speculation.  But there aren’t many other ways an NFL contract can go outside the box while still being fair to both sides.

143 responses to “Schneider hints at outside-the-box approach to Wilson contract

  1. I like Russell Wilson but if you think he’s the reason for the Seahawks success you need your head examined. He’s just not the one messing it up. I think an incentive based contract makes a lot more sense than a fully guaranteed contract. If the NFL starts handing out $100+ million fully guaranteed contracts to guys like Wilson then they’re going to have a problem on their hands. He ain’t Rodgers or Brady or Peyton in his prime.

  2. Wilson is solid to get that money. Pay him or else, the team will end up with some below average qb like most teams in the NFL.

  3. That would make no sense simply based on a career ending injury would make all money being due immediately would it not?

  4. Incentive laden deal would be tough for Wilson because his stats are not that great. Instead of guaranteeing every year – why not have a giant signing bonus and have cheap wage every year?

  5. Since he has seemingly taken every endorsement deal under the sun, he could afford to take a more team friendly deal. If he wants to, of course.

  6. My guess is they will be able to cut him lose as soon as they find out he’s mediocre without a top running game and defense.

    A TRUE franchise QB can carry his team. It’s been proven that Wilson cannot.

    Wilson is good at scrambling and finding guys on the scramble drill. Outside of that, not so much.

  7. For the love of God. If Seattle offers Wilson $105 million fully guaranteed, the NFL will freaking collapse. The NFL simply does not operate within that sort of framework. It’s fine if players and agents want to sort of drift in the direction of more guaranteed money, but $105 million for Wilson is too much too soon.

  8. muslimponder says:
    Paul Allen can afford to give Wilson an “endorsement deal” from Microsoft that will be equivalent or more than his extension.
    ————————
    I would think there’s some kind of anti-compete clause for this.

  9. Wilson has never been paid big money. This is a critical contract for him as his 2nd contract and he has to maximize his earnings.

    I also think he is worth being paid at least as well as Andy Dalton and Ryan Tannehill. He is so much better than those two.

  10. Funniest part of this story:

    “A seven-year, $105 million figure has been mentioned for Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill. That’s $15 million per year.”

  11. I really really wish they pay him top dollar just to see the team fall but unfortunately, I think Wilson is smart enough to know that he isn’t the sole reason for his success. He’ll take a team friendly deal knowing he needs to other pieces around him to win.

  12. “shares in the team and an executive position at Microsoft. Cap problem solved

    Paul Allen can afford to give Wilson an “endorsement deal” from Microsoft that will be equivalent or more than his extension.”

    Yeah, because the league is really going to allow the Seahawks to cheat the cap that way.

  13. holla2626 says:
    Feb 10, 2015 3:55 PM

    Incentive laden deal would be tough for Wilson because his stats are not that great. Instead of guaranteeing every year – why not have a giant signing bonus and have cheap wage every year?
    ———————————————————

    Because that’s not how the cap works.

    For example, if he signed a 5 yr deal 100m bonus but a salary of 500k each year his yearly cap hit would still be 500k+100m/5 = 20.5m per year.

    The reason a fully guaranteed contract would be better for the cap is that if it were fully guaranteed Wilson would be more likely to take less. “Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” thinking.

  14. Outside the box is let’s try to talk him into paying him less than other starting qb’s. That coach over there has plenty of experience from USC on how to pay his players outside the box. Another let’s keep the bag over your head NFL story.

    Let’s see how Russell’s agent feels about the “outside the box” payments. They are going to have to pay off the player and the representation.

  15. A fully guaranteed contract wouldn’t be as much as a gamble for Paul Allen as much as most owners. They can be creative, think Outsdie the box…….here is why;

    Paul Allen net worth = $15.8 Billion

    The next three richest COMBINED = $14.7 Billion

  16. Perhaps a contract that pays him a bonus for first quarter completions and passing yards would be efffective.

  17. An “outside-the-box approach” means they don’t want to pay a QB that has been to the SB twice in the last two years…like a QB that has been to the SB twice in the last two years.

    Whether he deserves it or not he will command something north of 18 mil per.

  18. He’ll get a back heavy loaded contract. He knows that lynch KeArse Wagner and maybe Maxwell need extensions to help

  19. Kaepernick has shown that one bad year can completely turn around expectations and values of worth.

    Wilson is already coming off of a horrible throw that cost his team a Super Bowl, and if it wasn’t for winning it the year prior, he’d be getting eaten alive in the media.

    If I’m his agent, you do your darnedest to get as much as possible right now.

  20. a long term contract for 15 years, $1 billion, structured as follows:
    $50 MM signing bonus
    $15MM for the first 10 years, fully guaranteed
    $25MM for year eleven, injury only
    $35MM for year twelve
    $150MM for year 13
    $250MM for year 14
    $340MM for year 15
    This will be affordable due to the increase in the salary cap from year to year. He becomes the highest paid player in league history, sets a standard for good players future contracts.

  21. The Wilson hate is strong today. The kid is a winner, makes plays with his arm and legs, has a ring, and, seems to be a great guy. How’s your teams QB?

  22. maybe outside of the box means the more he hands off to lynch the more he gets paid, I know many think he is a great qb, and I aint saying he is bad but he is no top tier quarterback.

    number one on the Seahawks is their defense
    number two on the Seahawks is lynch
    number three on the seahwaks is Wilson running
    number 4 would be Wilson’s arm

    the day this guy has to play an entire game relying on his throws, is the day they will regret what ever contract they give him

    he has the easiest qb job in the nfl as teams worry about the run and the defense before even considering a pass, he has done exceptionally well under these conditions, but those conditions wont last forever

  23. Without Wilson and Lynch they are NOTHING on offense.Hands of stone wide receivers who have alligator arms at the worst time!

  24. LOL……..it would be hilarious if they guarantee him 105M/7yr before they realize that he’s not that good……and in 2 years when there’s no Lynch and they are looking at a 60-75M cap hit cuz he suxs

  25. The problem with today’s contracts is players and agents think to highly of themselves. Everyone thinks they are worth more than they really are. Mesh that with an NFL superstar ego and you get bloated contracts filled with hot air. Let’s drop the “gotta get that money” attitude (as if paying bills is so hard for an athlete) and pick some humble pie and a side of “I don’t care what Joe Dillydangy is getting paid”. Remeber what the Lord said, “you can’t serve two masters”.

  26. Looks like a bunch of people are worried that Seattle is going to keep Wilson and low enough with the salary cap to go out and continue to add talent. The Hawks are going anywhere people. Get used to it.

  27. In his 2 biggest games this year (NFCCG and SB), Wilson went 26 for 50, 458 yards, 3 TD’s and 5 INT’s with a post-season passer rating of 90.3. Just goes to show you he cannot produce effectively when playing the league’s toughest competition.

    He deserves an out of the box deal – like way out.

  28. Since the delusional Seacrap fans on here feel he is an elite QB and argue that he is better then Rodgers and Luck which is hilarious, then he should make more then all the other QB’s. Because his record is so indictive of his performance and has zero to do with an elite defense and running back. But nobody refers to 14 of his career wins come at the hands of his defense and are too ignorant to recognize he was poor or terrible in those games. Because seacrap fans on here are complete donkeys. I hope they pay him top dollar so when Lynch and his star defense is gone, everyone can see the overhyped kid he really is. This kid would just be another guy on any other inferior team

  29. Isn’t there a limit percentage wise of how much can be guaranteed? I thought there was and it was around 2/3rds to 70 percent. Perhaps I’m wrong, or perhaps that changed with the new-ish CBA.

    Either way they are going to have to pay the man much more then they have, and Bobby Wagner, and perhaps Marshawn lynch.

    Someone or quite a few will have to go to make that work. (rofl at people thinking they can still do this and add more people…yeah only if they come for vet minimum or a few percentage points more)

  30. stickman18 says:
    A fully guaranteed contract wouldn’t be as much as a gamble for Paul Allen as much as most owners. They can be creative, think Outsdie the box…….here is why;
    Paul Allen net worth = $15.8 Billion
    The next three richest COMBINED = $14.7 Billion
    ————————————

    This means NOTHING in a salary-capped sport. Your precious Paul Allen has no more or less money to spend on his team than any other owner.

  31. It’s at times like this, I’m compelled to repeat myself: We are talking about the same Russell Wilson, right?

    The same quarterback who has more clutch game-winning drives than any QB since he entered the league.

    The same kid who throws one of the most accurate deep balls in the NFL.

    The first quarterback ever described by analysts as “the NFL’s version of a point guard.”

    OK … just wanted to be sure.

    – Titans Fan

  32. I love when people say Wilson doesnt have great stats LOL

    9,950 yards passing 72 tds
    1,887 yards rushing 11 tds

    11,837 total yards
    83 total tds

    63.4% Comp
    98.6 Rating

    3 playoff appearances and 2 Super Bowls and won the damn thing.

    #blindhaters

  33. Let’s face it. There’s only one QB that has as many wins, playoff and regular season, plus 2 SB appearances, in their first 3 NFL seasons.

    Wilson stands alone in NFL history.

    If you think Wilson, and his agent, aren’t going to demand top dollar from the team, you’re simply an idiot. He’s performed like no one before him ever in the position. He’s earned the right to get paid, in spite of a ridiculous play calling by a coach who virtually cost Wilson a SB MVP and another SB Championship.

    The GM needs to step away from the press talking about contracts. Get busy finding Wilson some respectable receivers to throw to why don’t you! Imagine if he’d had quality receivers to throw to against the Pat’s…Browner can’t cover, Seattle knew he couldn’t cover his own shadow, and yet you don’t target him with a passing attack? Worse coaching in a SB ever!

  34. “…and argue that he is better then Rodgers and Luck…”

    Nobody has said that and if they did they were trolling (good job taking the bait if that was the case). I challenge you to provide a link or screen shot (with conversational context) of any Seattle fan saying that in any kind of serious manner.

  35. The Seahawks are in pickle much like the Chiefs were with Alex Smith.

    Both of them are way overrated but both teams have made them appear better than they really are.

  36. There are issues that the Seahawks are going to have to deal with. As more and more “read option” QB come into the league, the more NFL defense will start to catch up. You can see it starting to see it happen with the less impressive numbers of Wilson, Kapernick and RGIII, and its likely to get more difficult.

    On the other hand, Wilson has proven to be elusive, smart, and a good decision maker (the last pass in the superbowl, not withstanding) He’s also an accurate mid to long range passer. That’s a proven combination that a lot of teams would love to have, so a contract is going to have to be done.

    If I were the league I’d be very wary of how that contract is done as it relates to Wilson’s Microsoft endorsements. I know Allen has no official role there anymore, but the impression of a conflict of interest could set a bad precedent around the league as it relates to the salary cap.

    Image if Wilson winds up with a very cap friendly contract, but a huge Microsoft endorsement deal. Pretty soon you could have Matt Ryan playing for the minimum and raking down millions from a big Home Depot deal.

    Its kind of a slippery slope that could create some serious inequities in how the cap operates

  37. I can hear the conversation now……

    “OK Russ, we want to think or side the box but we need you to do the same…… So with that said, you do realize we could have won that sb with Matt Flynn as the qb right? So if you want to keep winning and getting all the attention, we’re thinking 5 yr $75 mil ish….. And that’s pushing it.”

  38. PFTcensorsRULE says:
    Feb 10, 2015 4:01 PM
    muslimponder says:
    Paul Allen can afford to give Wilson an “endorsement deal” from Microsoft that will be equivalent or more than his extension.
    ————————
    I would think there’s some kind of anti-compete clause for this.
    ____________

    How can there be an endorsement anti-compete when he’s already doing commercials for Microsoft??

  39. LOL at the “he’s not that good.” Yea, he only has IDENTICAL stats to Tom Brady during their first 3 years as a starter (not including RW’s rushing yards and TDs), has a Super Bowl ring, and was 1 yard short for having his second ring. He’s also throwing to arguably the worst starting WR group in the entire NFL.

    Got it.

  40. 4 years, 200 million. That is what the new fans think Wilson should get. The newer fans think Wilson is elite.

    It is what it is, and I hope the Seahawks break the bank on Wilson. I hope it keeps them from retaining other talent. That would be the best thing I could see coming out of this Wilson deal.

  41. I am still left wondering how he is “grossly underpaid”….. Lets not forget this is a 3rd round draft choice with a newer rookie wage scale in place…..I would say he’s been paid quite handsomely

  42. 49ers fan here. Pay the guy. He’s clearly in the upper echelon of QBs in the league doing just enough to put his team in a position to win. In fact make the HIGHEST paid player in the league, say, 35-40% of the Seahawks salary cap. That ought to do it.

  43. Can’t understand the Wilson hate. Kid has been a model citizen and performed at a very high level. As good of a “face of the franchise” as you’ll find. Haters are just gonna hate.

  44. It’s funny, these quotes are from the teams side only.

    If Wilson accepts one cent less then the maximum his agent can possibly get he is a complete moron.

    You take the best deal period.

    If ‘outside the box’ is the most he can possibly get then he signs…..if it isn’t he doesn’t.

    And that is the only strategy his agent will advise him to take.

    This ain’t rocket science. It doesn’t matter one iota what the team wants.

    There are minimum 15 teams that hand this kid a huge payday if Seattle doesn’t.

  45. No state income tax in Washington.. Why do you think all these guys want to play here… because of the weather?

  46. I HATE the Seahawks, but if you somehow believe Wilson is simply a “roll player” on a great offense, then you either don’t watch the games, or you have a sub 70 IQ.

    Wilson makes impossible throws with zero time, while running flat out. The kid is a cross between Barry Sanders and Drew Brees.

    Mark my words, Marshawn Lynch would be Fred Jackson without Wilson, and the Seahawks would be the Bills. The difference between the Bills and Seahawks is one man- Russell Wilson.

    And his receivers suck, so don’t give me that crap either.

  47. Why would he settle for less? He has all the leverage, he is young, been to two SB and won one. He has been grossly underpaid for his production albeit by no fault of his team due to his rookie contract.

    If they don’t sign him this year he is going to cost more. The higher the salary cap is the higher the QB pay will be. They franchise tag him next year it will cost them 19 million. The next year will be even more. Joe Flacco got 20 million a year for a SB win. Wilson didn’t get anything for his and brought them back to another. He is getting 20 million a year one way or another.

    When was the last time a franchise QB got cut? Whether his contract states it is fully guaranteed or not he is still going to get most if not all of the money. Heck, if the Bears still haven’t cut Cutler, Wilson would have to major suck to not get his full deal.

  48. Love the “Wilson isn’t that good” people. Gents, Google, it’s called Google. Go check on his stats (offensive, not wins) and compare them to the first 3 years of any elite Qb of your choosing, remember to add rushing yards to your thoughts.

  49. The key to Russell Wilson is his non-conventional-ness, an outside-the-box contract seems fitting. Russell isn’t an idiot. He knows what he COULD get paid and what he ACTUALLY gets paid will be less in regards to cap hit. He’s a great team guy and knows that he’ll make his money in endorsements (Bose, Microsoft, Nike, Duracell and Levi’s). Leaving a little meat on the bone for the Seahawks to keep talent around him will ensure SEA maintaining in the contender’s arena…

    People talk about SEA and their salary cap like this is the only team that is like this. Look at DAL…

    GO HAWKS!!!

  50. Wilson should wait and hit the free agent market.

    Then the Patriots can pick him up. A few years of mentoring from Tom Brady and he’ll be ready to be the Patriots starter when Brady retires.

  51. His agent will demand he gets paid more than Dalton, Alex Smith, Cutler and Tannehill. As he should because he is a better QB.

    Do you pay him A-A-Ron money? Doubt it. But he has been playing the premier position in the game for 3 years and getting paid like a bench-warming kicker. He is the most underpaid starting QB in the league, success notwithstanding,

    It’s time to pay the man – he has EARNED it.

    PS He doesn’t throw an INT to end the SB, and he gets A-A-Ron money 4 sho!!!

  52. Wilson is a smart guy and he is not greedy. He knows what is he worth and so do the Seahawks … I don’t think there is a problem here.

  53. What he means is… he is going to point out during negotiations that both Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won superbowls behind a bruising runningback and a league best defense too…

  54. muslimponder says:
    Paul Allen can afford to give Wilson an “endorsement deal” from Microsoft that will be equivalent or more than his extension.
    ————————

    Cap Circumvention 101. Enjoy having your next 5 first rounders confiscated by Goodell.

  55. richardshermanhaschickenlegs says:

    “Mark my words, Marshawn Lynch would be Fred Jackson without Wilson”
    _________________________________

    Your words are marked, weighed and found incredibly wanting.

    You do realize the best run of Marshawn Lynch’s career came with Matt Hasselbeck as the QB?! Of course not, you just started watching football this season.

    Lynch makes Wilson, and that entire offense tick. He, along with the DEFENSE are Seattle. Without Lynch Wilson throws INT’s. You catch the GB game the week before? He’s not exactly “Mr. Pinpoint Accuracy” when it’s 3rd and long, and the defense isn’t playing run first, huh?!!

    His best play is “play-action” to Lynch and throw to the WIDE open receiver because the defense is crowding the line.

    Look, he’s easily in the top half of the QB’s in the league, but you are glib if you think he’s anything without Lynch and that Defense.

  56. I think that Schneider will come up with a plan that many will find “outside the box” and trust it to be fair to both the team and Wilson. My guess is that it will be tied directly to the cap space and its increases in future years………..Hence; as the NFL gets more lucrative and the cap increases, Wilson’s contract will increase. If the cap doesn’t go up, his contract will remain intact and the percentage that Wilson’s contract makes up that cap remain constant.

  57. All the jealousy warms my heart.

    Through his first three seasons, R. Wilson is the best QB in the history of the NFL.

    Instead of answering in the usual uneducated, moronic way that many on here already have, look at the numbers.

  58. Every time a RW piece appears, we have to read comments about how the Seahawks have an elite defense and All-Pros at every position.

    When a piece appears about the Seahawks’ D, suddenly they’re “overrated.”

    And let’s not pretend that Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, et. al have amassed their career stats by playing with a collection of Arena League castoffs.

    Here are some facts: the Seahawks had the 24th rated Pass Pro OL in 2014 and had ONE receiver in the Top 80 for yards (Doug Baldwin at 42). In fact, Seattle hasn’t had a Pro Bowl receiver since Brian Blades in 1989 (excepting Special Teams).

    YES, they led the league in rushing because they had Marshawn at #4 and RUSSELL WILSON at #16.

    Another fact is that RW, Peyton & Rodgers all have one ring.

    I should probably mention that Brady has more than those 3 combined, because if I don’t, 50+ Patriots fans surely will.

    He is worth what they think he’s worth and has been grossly underpaid thus far, yet has never made a single peep about money. Barring injury, he will be among the all-time leaders in wins when he retires.

    He transferred to the U of Wisconsin for his senior season, was elected team co-captain within 2 months of his arrival because his leadership capabilities were instantly recognized. In his one season as a Badger, he set the all-time Efficiency record for CFB (since 1956 anyway); a record that still stands and likely will for many years. Note that this record was obtained with exactly zero members of the Seahawks’ defense or Marshawn Lynch.

    He is not the prototypical 6’4″ statue QB that YOU think he needs to be. That guy would get lit up in this offense. Hopefully in time the Seahawks will finally land an upper echelon WR capable of getting separation and/or a quality TE that can stay healthy, along with an OL that can pass protect and then you’ll see what RW can really do when he’s not constantly running for his life.

    Until then, worry about your own team and not our outside-the-box QB that is redefining the position before your very eyes.

  59. Noobs (Seahawk fans) are commenting like they know something about the NFL. Hysterical. After you are forced to pay your QB you will then need to make a sizable payment to Texas A & M for the use of the 12th man. Honestly, i hope TA&M refuses to lend out their creation being that fan-base doesn’t deserve it anyways.

  60. LOL at the “he’s not that good.” Yea, he only has IDENTICAL stats to Tom Brady during their first 3 years as a starter (not including RW’s rushing yards and TDs), has a Super Bowl ring, and was 1 yard short for having his second ring. He’s also throwing to arguably the worst starting WR group in the entire NFL.

    Got it.
    ===========================

    WRONG – he has better stats than Brady through three years.

    More wins, more TDs, better completion %, more yards, more SBs, higher QB rating.

    Brady sat on the bench year 1.

    Even if you ignore year 1 he’s got better stats than Brady.

    Brady didn’t crack 100 QB rating until year 8 in his career.

    Someone above had the perfect description; a cross between Barry Sanders and Drew Brees.

  61. stoopidfool says: Feb 10, 2015 4:27 PM

    LOL……..it would be hilarious if they guarantee him 105M/7yr before they realize that he’s not that good……and in 2 years when there’s no Lynch and they are looking at a 60-75M cap hit cuz he suxs
    ===================

    At least you’re self aware.

  62. thereisfootballwestofjersey
    Feb 10, 2015, 1:28 PM PST

    In his 2 biggest games this year (NFCCG and SB), Wilson went 26 for 50, 458 yards, 3 TD’s and 5 INT’s with a post-season passer rating of 90.3. Just goes to show you he cannot produce effectively when playing the league’s toughest competition.
    ——–
    Not very impressive numbers, are they? Ah, but you conveniently leave out the fact that 2 of the NFCC picks were deflections that hit Kearse square in the hands. But see, most people in here watched that game and they KNOW what you’re doing to their leg, so don’t try to tell them it was raining.

    Actually it WAS raining. Quite vigorously, which explains Russell’s other 2 picks as well as Rodgers’ (uncharacteristic) 2 picks.

    And lastly, as a ‘Niner fan you should be well aware that Joe Montana had 3 picks of his own in “The Catch” game vs. Dallas, yet was able to persevere and bring his team back for the win.

    It’s not how you start; it’s how you finish.

  63. Russell Wilson is better than Andy Dalton, Jay Cutler, Colin Kapernick and Alex Smith easily. He deserves more than Alex Smith and I’m a Chiefs fan. Someone will pay him if Seattle doesn’t want to. I’m quite sure they will.

  64. Wait
    Tannehill makes $15 million a year
    Wow

    Seahawks fans watch the Ravens and Broncos
    See what happens when 10% of the cap money goes to one guy out of a 53 man roster

    This is what makes one and done and dynasties

  65. PFTcensorsRULE said:

    “My guess is they will be able to cut him lose as soon as they find out he’s mediocre without a top running game and defense.
    A TRUE franchise QB can carry his team. It’s been proven that Wilson cannot.
    Wilson is good at scrambling and finding guys on the scramble drill. Outside of that, not so much.”
    ************

    So, how come Rick Mirer and Cortez Kenedy don’t have any Super Bowl rings?

    ************

    joetoronto said:

    “The Seahawks are in pickle much like the Chiefs were with Alex Smith.
    Both of them are way overrated but both teams have made them appear better than they really are.”

    *************

    Seriously, did you just compare a quarterback who couldn’t throw a touchdown pass to a wide receiver all season long, and is as mobile as Lamar Hunt, to Russell Wilson? Wilson won as many playoff games as a rookie as Alex Smith has his entire career, and Smith has had a top running game and defense everywhere he’s been as well.

  66. PFTcensorsRULE :

    Did you read the article? It was referring to offering a guaranteed to LOWER the CAP hit. In doing so the team assumes a lot of risk!! To which I replied they can gamble on this type of risk more than most…..read and comprehend before you respond!

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    PFTcensorsRULE says:
    Feb 10, 2015 4:34 PM
    stickman18 says:
    A fully guaranteed contract wouldn’t be as much as a gamble for Paul Allen as much as most owners. They can be creative, think Outsdie the box…….here is why;
    Paul Allen net worth = $15.8 Billion
    The next three richest COMBINED = $14.7 Billion
    ————————————

    This means NOTHING in a salary-capped sport. Your precious Paul Allen has no more or less money to spend on his team than any other owner.

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  67. I really wish all these so called “Hawk Fans” (who were Cowboys, Niners, or Raiders fan until 2010) would pull their collective heads out of their butts. Wilson is Mark Sanchez 2.0….Jet’s had a Great D, Great Run game, Great special teams, and took calculated shots down the field. Or, a closer comparison would be the Bears, the year they made SB XLI on the back of Devin Hester, the D, and with Rex Grossman as a starter. Just goes to show you can hide sub-par QB play on a very good team, and still compete.

    Why is the fact that Wilson has led the NFL in fumbles over the last 2 years consistently ignored?

  68. Hey Harveyredman or whatever- How far did the Seahawks get that postseason when Lynch made that incredible run against the Saints?

    Guess your neophyte theory doesn’t hold.

    How far did Lynch take the Bills? How far has Peterson taken the Vikings? It’s a QB league guy, and Wilson is clutch.

    He makes important throws (third down, fourth quarter), not garbage time throws like say, Kyle Orton.

    Wilson did make some poor throws against Green Bay, but he also made some damn good ones to win it, much like Andrew Luck against Kansas City in the playoffs last year.

  69. a fully guaranteed contract is a slippery slope the NFL doesnt want to go down and the other owners would have a HUGE problem with it.

  70. A lot of the money is going to be guaranteed. It’s also going to deferred to 2017 and beyond which won’t be as big of a problem if you follow the salary cap trends of recent years.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he only made $9-10MM the next two years, fully guaranteed, and closer to $23MM/year for another 5 years with a high amount guaranteed. A small amount of that will be in performance-based incentives.

    At least that’s what I’d hope as a Seahawks fan…something that is structured to grow with the team and yearly salary cap increases.

  71. I think the problem with Wilson is his style. He is similar to RG3 and Kap in terms of being a running QB, and we have seen what eventually happens to running QBs, they make one run too many and get plastered. Muddling the picture, is Lynch and their D. If he had a receiver set like NE, would he shine? His long ball is great, but I wonder about his short game. I think his height does limit the short ball, whereas, with Brady’s height, he can rifle in short passes.
    At the end of day, he should get paid well.

    I’d like to see him improve his reads, and avoid running so much. But perhaps, he runs a lot to get open, so he can see the field.

    I also wonder how fast those deep balls are…they seem to be high arc throws. This is why Rodgers is an amazing passer, as I believe his deep throws are bullets…less time for defenders to react.

  72. Wilson makes that team go and is a clutch player. The man Won a Super Bowl and one stupid call from another. He has an agent so he won’t get screwed by a front office that would drop Wilson in a heartbeat if he was seriously injured. I’m not sayin Wilson should squeeze out every cent but the man needs to get paid and with a lot of guaranteed money. If he doesn’t it’s on the agent.

  73. the key in reading all these comments is to note that there’s not a single one from a Hawks fan thinking that Wilson is overrated, or shouldn’t get paid, or that the team would even conceive of letting him go.

    Hawks fans, who watch him 16 times a year, know how good he is. Our O-line has been the weakest unit on the team for each of his three years, and if not them, then it’s our receiving corps. Yes, we have a great D and Marshawn, but Wilson makes plays when he needs to. he may never throw for the yards of Manning/Brees/Luck, but he’s a playmaker, who has carried us in games where he’s had to do so.

    With the difficulty around the league in finding high-level QB’s – – no way in the world way this management lets him get away.

  74. I think they’ll be looking at a modest cap number next year and maybe the year after.

    Sherman, Thomas, Wagner, Chancellor, Bennett plus Lynch (likely last year), Okung etc will only be all kept around for so long.

    To keep the roster depth needed to win next year whilst they have so many great players signed up then they can’t have a 20mil cap number for Wilson. It’s just not possible. They need that down at 15mil.

    Then they need to make sure they have a heck of a RB ready to take over from Lynch

  75. PFTcensorsRULE says:
    My guess is they will be able to cut him lose as soon as they find out he’s mediocre without a top running game and defense.
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    alltee says:
    maybe outside of the box means the more he hands off to lynch the more he gets paid, I know many think he is a great qb, and I aint saying he is bad but he is no top tier quarterback.
    number one on the Seahawks is their defense
    number two on the Seahawks is lynch
    number three on the seahwaks is Wilson running
    number 4 would be Wilson’s arm
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    So I just have 1 question for all you Wilson doubters out there.

    Given that Wilson is one of only 3 quarterbacks in NFL HISTORY with more than 50 TD passes in his first 2 seasons (the other 2 are Peyton Manning and Dan Marino), and given that he has more TD passes in his 1st 3 seasons than Tom Brady (82-75), just answer me this:

    How many of those touchdown passes did the defense or Marshawn Lynch throw?

  76. mellimac says:

    I also wonder how fast those deep balls are…they seem to be high arc throws. This is why Rodgers is an amazing passer, as I believe his deep throws are bullets…less time for defenders to react.
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    Yeah, like when he threw that deep ball at Sherman in the NFC CG.

  77. With all of the key Seahawk players getting old and others getting injured (some over and over), Wilson should consider playing out his contract so he can sign with a really big market team like the LA Rams, Cowboys, Jets, Giants, Philly, or even succeed Brady in NE. That also gives Wilson a legit chance to eventually claim a record of having won a SB with more than one franchise.

    Pete Carroll is going to wear out his welcome and Schneider’s lucky run will end to even out things, so the Seahawks will revert to form in few years and their fans can go back to complaining about the weather and abut bad dope.

  78. nflrule says: Feb 10, 2015 4:26 PM

    Without Wilson and Lynch they are NOTHING on offense.Hands of stone wide receivers who have alligator arms at the worst time!
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    Same basic thing could be said for every NFL team. So what’s your point?

  79. I’ve been saying all along that he’ll settle for less in order to keep a winning team together. His primary motivation is winning, not making a boatload of money.
    Here’s the basic math…
    Option 1: Make $20mil a year salary, handicap your team so they can’t afford to keep key people, lose more than you win, and lose a bunch of key endorsements.
    Option 2: $10mil a year salary, team can afford to keep the core together, team keeps winning, and you make $20mil additional each year in endorsements.
    He comes out ahead by non being greedy with his contract. No brainer!

  80. dmwilliams0124 said:

    I really wish all these so called “Hawk Fans” (who were Cowboys, Niners, or Raiders fan until 2010) would pull their collective heads out of their butts. Wilson is Mark Sanchez 2.0….Jet’s had a Great D, Great Run game, Great special teams, and took calculated shots down the field. Or, a closer comparison would be the Bears, the year they made SB XLI on the back of Devin Hester, the D, and with Rex Grossman as a starter. Just goes to show you can hide sub-par QB play on a very good team, and still compete.

    Why is the fact that Wilson has led the NFL in fumbles over the last 2 years consistently ignored?

    ***************

    Pete Carroll said that Mark Sanchez was not ready for the NFL at USC and he was right. He made Russell Wilson the starting quarterback as a rookie and he was right.

    I fact checked you on fumbles and what you failed to mention is that Andrew Luck (13) and Jay Cutler (12) had more fumbles last year than Russell Wilson (11).

    But here’s just one more of those extraordinary statistics that are idiosyncratic of Wilson’s skillset. Fumbles lost: ZERO.

    Look it up.

  81. xsorethumbx says:
    Feb 10, 2015 4:03 PM
    They should give him a clause where he gets a bonus for anytime he actually reads a defense
    ______

    You mean like he did on that last play against Green Bay in overtime to win the game? Why do you even bother commenting?

    Blows me away that people try and say he’s not that good and that this team would be just as good and dominant without Wilson. The defense is great. Lynch is great. But do you really think that Lynch doesn’t benefit from having a qb like Wilson who is also a threat to run the ball?

    Wilson may not be the best qb, but there’s absolutely no way the Seahawks make the superbowl 2 years in a row with any other qb in the league. His elusiveness behind that sieve of an offensive is second to none and Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees, etc, would all be murdered with the lack of pass protection that Seattle has.

  82. Russell Wilson should be paid the average between the top five QB salaries and the top five RB salaries, because he is half-way between a QB and a RB. For 2015, that would be $15, 078,000.

  83. Interesting how the organization has backtracked from making him the highest paid QB after the worst INT in Super Bowl history and one of the worst playoff performances by a QB in the NFC Championship game.

    He should be getting around $20 mil a year based on other recent contracts.

    Another thought is the team doesn’t believe he is as important to the success of the team compared to others (LOB, Beastmode, etc) and are going to low ball him with some ridiculous of out-of-the-box approach.

  84. So to start, I’m a Seahawks fan for my whole life.

    Is Wilson worth a monster contract. Based only on QB stats I would say maybe not. Throw in leadership and other intangibles maybe yes. I hope they and he can come to a reasonable agreement that will allow the Seahawks to continue to be the team they are.

    To all the haters out there it is hard to compare a guy that has been in the league 3 years to those that have been there a long time. Do I think he is better then Luck, maybe. Luck throws a lot of picks, however I get the reason people think he is so great. Rogers is the best in the League followed by Brady. Manning in his prime I think was better but today I would take a lot of QBs over him. I think Wilson is in the top 1/3 of the QBs right now and I hope he continues his forward momentum. If we sign Cobb then I think we may see a different Seahawks team.

    Now on the contract, we joked today that a 200m/20year all guaranteed would be an interesting contract assuming he can play for 12-15 years.

  85. thegreatgabbert says:

    They going outside the box with Russell. He’s too small to fit inside.

    ************

    This from a guy named THEGREATGABBERT.

  86. 6 years $125M.
    $60M signing bonus paid up front amortized over 5 yrs = $12M against cap each yr.
    $1M salary first year= first year cap hit $13M
    $2M salary 2nd year= $14M cap hit
    $8M salary 3rd year=$20M cap hit (on an appreciably higher cap
    $12M salary 4th year= $24M cap hit
    $18M Salary 5th yr=$30M cap hit…either the cap will have gone up enough to make this doable or renew at that time
    $26M 6th yr=$38M cap hit…most likely renegged so it is really a 5 yr $99M with a lot of up front money.

  87. muslimponder says: Feb 10, 2015 3:56 PM

    Paul Allen can afford to give Wilson an “endorsement deal” from Microsoft that will be equivalent or more than his extension.

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    that would be right up the alley up a scummy organization like the seahawks. fortunately though, the NFL would sniff it out.

  88. Tannehill has never been to the playoffs, so I say, WHO IS TALKING OF GIVING HIM 105 MILLION DOLLARS? He’s been average-medicore at best! Not worth anywhere near 105 million!

  89. adamonic says: Feb 10, 2015 8:23 PM

    Interesting how the organization has backtracked from making him the highest paid QB after the worst INT in Super Bowl history and one of the worst playoff performances by a QB in the NFC Championship game.

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    This would be a good point except..

    1 – the team never said they planned to make him the highest paid QB.
    2 – Brady had more INTs in the SB than Wilson and Wilson had a higher QB rating than Brady
    3 – Wilson is the best QB in NFL history through the first 3 seasons. Period.

    Don’t just sound stupid – check the stats.

  90. Please! Give me a break on ll of the negative and skeptical Russell Wilson comments. They are insulting! All the guy has done since being with the Seahawks is taking a team that was 7 wins 9 losses to 3 straight playoffs; 2 straight NFC conference championships; 2 straight Super Bowls. I’ll lay odds he’s not finished yet. And so will the Seahawks. Ryan Tannehill at $15 million per year? After going 0 for nothing after 3 years! Give me another break! I’ll also lay odds that he or his Dolphins are nowhere near supplanting Tom Brady and the youngest team in the NFL or AFC East (Patriots). Wilson is easily worth every penny Seattle guarantees him. Other than my home team Patriots, I have gone out of my way to watch him play for the past 3 years. JUst a phenomenal young talent. Who is putting up unbelievable numbers and results in multiple ways. None of those other young QBs are in his league IMO.

  91. “tccoats says:
    Feb 10, 2015 6:26 PM
    a fully guaranteed contract is a slippery slope the NFL doesnt want to go down and the other owners would have a HUGE problem with it.”

    They can have however much of a problem with it they want, as long as it doesn’t violate any kind of rules they can check nuts. The Seahawks are out to do what helps the Seahawks, just like 31 other teams are out to do what helps them.

  92. “adamonic says:
    Feb 10, 2015 8:23 PM
    Interesting how the organization has backtracked from making him the highest paid QB after the worst INT in Super Bowl history”

    Funny, I follow the team pretty closely and I have never seen any quote or interview from anyone in the organization saying that was the plan. Maybe I missed something that you have seen? Link so I can get caught up?

    I DID see an article citing “unnamed sources” saying that was the teams thinking, but I don’t really put much stock in “unnamed sources”…

  93. Chew on this haters…

    Maybe Wilson went to Schneider and said “we need an out of the box approach so we can keep talent around me and keep winning.”

  94. He is a great QB but the Seahawks got themselves to the Super Bowl because of their defense and it looks like some of their defense will be walking next year. This will be the year you find out just how good he is.

  95. I believe RW wants to be a baseball team owner. He won’t get to realize that dream with a Jelly of Month payment in his contract. He needs CASH.

    He WILL get a contract that pays him in the top 5 or so QB contracts. I also agree with a prior poster that says it may be indexed to the Cap as it goes up or down.

    I also think there could be some future oriented, long term commitment for him post-career. Not sure how that would be governed by the CBA, but I can see them coming up with some “agreement” that they may just shake hands on.

  96. If anyone thinks this team gets to or wins an SB without Wilson your nuts, and that is a stone cold fact. Pay the man

  97. IF anyone thinks this team gets to or wins an SB without Wilson they are nuts and that is a stone cold fact. Pay the man

  98. I agree with patsfan24 (that is hard for me to say) that the funniest part is Ryan T. getting a contract for $105 million. He does not deserve that much & I’m a Fin fan!

    Wilson is much better then Ryan T!

  99. he is very elusive as a scrambling quarterback, but they all are until they suddenly aren’t.
    Pretty big risk to guarantee 5 years to a scrambler. Any scrambler.

  100. seahawksbmx says:
    Feb 10, 2015 5:45 PM
    thereisfootballwestofjersey
    Feb 10, 2015, 1:28 PM PST

    In his 2 biggest games this year (NFCCG and SB), Wilson went 26 for 50, 458 yards, 3 TD’s and 5 INT’s with a post-season passer rating of 90.3. Just goes to show you he cannot produce effectively when playing the league’s toughest competition.
    ——–
    Not very impressive numbers, are they? Ah, but you conveniently leave out the fact that 2 of the NFCC picks were deflections that hit Kearse square in the hands. But see, most people in here watched that game and they KNOW what you’re doing to their leg, so don’t try to tell them it was raining.

    Actually it WAS raining. Quite vigorously, which explains Russell’s other 2 picks as well as Rodgers’ (uncharacteristic) 2 picks.

    And lastly, as a ‘Niner fan you should be well aware that Joe Montana had 3 picks of his own in “The Catch” game vs. Dallas, yet was able to persevere and bring his team back for the win.

    It’s not how you start; it’s how you finish.

    __________________________________________

    1st pick by Rodgers should have been called back as Bennet jumped offsides. 2nd pick was miscommunication in the loudest stadium in the league.

    If Wilson gets a pass for his receivers mistakes, you should give the same to Rodgers for the officials and his receivers.

  101. Isn’t this the guy that threw four picks in the NFC championship game? Only to luck into another SB apearance due to a historic choke?

    And then his luck continues with a miracle catch that put his team in position to win the game despite another subpar performance from the QB with the best D and running game in the league? Only to throw another pick from the one yard line that cost his team a ring, a play that will be remembered as one of the all time bonehead plays in the history of the NFL?

    What am I missing here? Offer him nothing. Play another year with a decent playmaker at QB for next to nothing and try for another ring. If you think he’s worth it at that point, pay him. If not, spend your money to keep the best roster in the NFL and find a mobile QB in this year’s draft that you can plug in next year.

    I’ll say it again – Tyrod Taylor could win a ton of games with this roster. And he’s taken 4 snaps in 4 years backing up Joe Flacco.

  102. Likely a 5 year extension for around $110 million. The bonus/guaranteed money will be spread over 6 years (5 plus final year of current contract as well as including the final year of the current contract) and probably be significant enough to lower the base.

    Schneider’s a genius and has been planning for this for the last 3 years. I don’t doubt he’ll get a deal done that will make all sides happy.

  103. The Seahawks have good chemistry. Most good teams had or have good chemistry. KLynch is important to Wilson’s success just as Wilson’s ability to run and pass is important to Lynch.
    The defense is the primary reason that Seattle has a 36-12 regular season record and a 6-2 record in the playoffs over the past 3 seasons. But Russell Wilson is a leader and a great competitor. His contributions to the team cannot be overlooked. He has the abilities necessary to keep his team in the game. He has brought them back in many games. The Seahawks have only been beaten by more than 7 points once during the last two seasons.

    Before RW the Seahawks had a guy named Lynch. They had the makings of a good defense. They were not a winning football team though.

    Like a lot of Seahawk fans I sat stunned at the nd of the SB 49 defeat. We were one yard away. It was only second down but there was only about 30 seconds left and they only had 1 timeout. I think they had to try a pass on one of the downs at least. I know in hindsight that going to Lockette was not the best call. But if it had been completed we’d all be yelling at the absolute genius of the call in that situation. The fact is that the interception was just one of those things, like the Titanic hitting the iceberg at just the right angle.

    Russell Wilson has proved himself to be a QB that can win in the NFL. For his first 3 seasons he has been consistntloy good. He has bad games and so does every QB, including the great ones.

    Fix the OL so it can pass block. Get 1 WR that can get open consistently. Find a TE who can consistently catch the ball. That will elevate RW’s stats.

  104. themeccalambeaufield says:
    Feb 10, 2015 3:54 PM
    That would make no sense simply based on a career ending injury would make all money being due immediately would it not?

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    A contract may be written up in many different ways.

    I’m not going to talk about whether they will or should do something like this but simply respond to your question above.

    The contract could be written to cover a career ending injury and then specify how and when they would pay out his remaining guaranteed money.

    If said career ending injury happened in year 1 of the contract it might be paid out differently than if it happened in year 2, 3 or 5.

    As long as both sides agree and it doesn’t violate the bargaining agreement then it’s good to go.

    Bobby Bonilla and the Mets reworked his last year of his deal way back when, when he was owed like $5.9 million and they agreed to pay him like $1.1 million each year for 25 years that began a year or so ago. Of course he gave up basically $6 million back in like 1989 or whenever to receive the 25 yearly payments of like $1.1 million beginning in like 2012 or whenever they began.

    So the team and Wilson could cover his payments in a bunch of different ways.

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