Irvin strongly denies using stickum

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Most in the media have ignored #Stickumgate.  Fortunately, the folks at WFAN haven’t.

In the aftermath of Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice admitting to the application of stickum to his gloves and claiming that everyone did it, no other Hall of Famers (or other receivers) have come forward and said, “He’s right.”  Instead, two of them (so far) have said they never used stickum.

First, it was Hall of Famer Cris Carter.  Now, former Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin has strongly denied using stickum in a segment with Evan Roberts of WFAN.

“I love Jerry Rice, but that’s what everybody says. ‘Oh, everybody did it.’  That’s the oldest defense in the world,” Irvin told WFAN’s Evan Roberts.  “I didn’t use Stickum.  I never used Stickum, didn’t need Stickum, didn’t believe in Stickum.  I wouldn’t do it.  Troy [Aikman] would go off on me if I put Stickum on his footballs. You see what I’m saying?  Stop asking me this junk. I didn’t feel like I should answer it. I have not answered one on it.”

And then things escalated.  Quickly.  And disturbingly.

“It’s almost like — and I hate to get this harsh — if Aaron Hernandez starts saying ‘Well, Michael murdered some people,’ don’t start asking me did I murder somebody,” Irvin said.  “You know darn well I didn’t murder anybody. Just because somebody threw it out there — leave me alone with that mess. Get off my Twitter with that.”

Hopefully, Irvin’s comments will prompt more in the media to explore whether other receivers will be echoing Rice’s comments that all receivers used stickum or, as Carter and Irvin have done, stranding Rice on an island.

129 responses to “Irvin strongly denies using stickum

  1. I don’t really care too much for Irvin, but he is spot on. Just because someone says something doesn’t make it true. In todays’s world you can say whatever you want and people believe anything they hear or read.

  2. After hearing this, I’m fairly confident Michael Irvin never used stickum but I’m much less confident that he never murdered anyone. Weird that his mind instantly went there.

  3. tampering with salary cap,using stickum. I’d say thats a much more competitive advantage than (allegly) deflating footballs

  4. It’s funny, I just watched on the NFL network the 10 best hands in football. Jerry Rice came in at #7. Oh, and Villapiano said “if you aren’t cheating, you’re not a Raider”. So I guess all the Raider championships can get an * too.

  5. Michael Irwin says that Troy Aikman would go off on me if I put stickum on his footballs, I’m not a lawyer, but doesn’t that sound like a confession?

  6. Everyone knows that….how could he perfect cheating by pushing off if his gloves stuck to jersey’s?

    Michael Irvin didn’t use stickum to cheat.

    Jerry Rice didn’t use pushing off to cheat.

    Everyone WAS/IS doing it….and by doing it I mean trying to gain an advantage.

  7. I’m burnt out on cheating scandals. Next season there will probably be a team that REALLY cheats. I won’t even care at that point.

  8. “With the gloves receivers have today, who needs stickum?”

    Right except they didn’t have those gloves back then. And stickum was illegal at that time.

    There are certainly a lot of zero tolerance people on here if its the Pats involved, but a lot of you are finding ways to make your double standard clear when its another team involved.

  9. Little harsh reaction Irvin. Why bring Aaron Hernandez and murder into it? Can people ask you about snorting Coke with strippers and teammates? Why not bring that up? Easy Michael, when you live in a glass house, don’t throw daggers. Just sayin

  10. 69goatboy said

    “With the gloves receivers have today, who needs stickum?

    You could probably scale a wall like Spiderman with those things.”

    IMHO opinion, it doesn’t matter how sticky the gloves today are, they are legal and after 1981 stickum was illegal.

    And using the “everyone is doing it” is a cop out.

  11. Carter denied stickum, but happily admitted putting bounties on players whenever he felt scared. Irvin might be the only honest one of the bunch, which makes his defense of Brady and Belichick all the more interesting. In contrast, Troy “Ten Concussions” Aikman wanted Belichick roasted on a spit with no evidence even though Aikman benefited from stolen signals his entire career. But never fear, legions of dedicated Pats fans are working hard every day to ensure that no cheaters or hypocrites escape the nets. I’ve seen spreadsheets.

  12. raiderrob21 says:

    Little harsh reaction Irvin. Why bring Aaron Hernandez and murder into it?
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    I don’t think Irvin is a great person, but he is a great competitor. If you’ve ever watched him he is very passionate about his accomplishments and he takes any implication that he might have cheated as serious as murder. Right or wrong, that’s how passionate he is about winning fairly.

  13. Rice needed to cheat. Look at his stats his rookie season, he dropped every 3rd pass thrown his way. After he started cheating, he became a hall of fame quality receiver.
    Jerry Rice – king of the frauds.

  14. Anyone can go back to Captain Push-off videos to see what
    he did best and not get flagged. I don’t think pushing off the
    defender to catch the football counted as a legal move. I have to admit Michael Irvin was an expert at it because he did it alot and was hardly ever flagged.

    He is still a Hall of Fame Player but he has to realize he has sins as well that are more blatant.

  15. colorinfusion says: Feb 12, 2015 2:31 PM

    IMHO opinion, it doesn’t matter how sticky the gloves today are, they are legal and after 1981 stickum was illegal.
    ___________________________________

    To claim that he never used a banned sticky substance while wearing gloves that are just as, or more sticky only demonstrates the hypocrisy that runs rampant in the NFL.

    He never used stickum, because he didn’t NEED to use stickum, he had his gloves instead.

    This is one of those “spirit of the rules”, IMO.

  16. There is a story there somewhere for Skip Bayless about how Aikmen forbid Irvin from puting Stickum on his balls.

  17. Rice dropped a lot of passes early in his career. Then suddenly the drops stopped. I guess he practiced really hard (wink wink).

  18. Cris Carter and Michael Irvin have better PR people who told them to avoid this like the plague so that their image isn’t tarnished. I wouldn’t trust either of them with a 9 iron and bag of ice. Seriously.. most of these guys would say whatever it took to stay relevant… they are egotistical drama queens

  19. You can make spectacular handed catches without “stickum.”

    Stickum sucks.

    It blows that anybody would even create it.

    It’s lame as hell that anybody would even use it.

    It’s a crutch for the weak in body, mind and spirit. Oh, I can’t do my job — let’s put this potion on my hands to help me do my job.

    Play BY THE RULES — the ones EVERYONE else is playing by. Capice?

  20. I say this not as a 49er fan, but as a football fan in general. To all of you Patriots fans out there crying incessantly about double standards, boo hoo, if this was the Patriots….blah, blah, blah, get over it. The difference is the Patriot’s track record of cheating. Your team was already busted during Spygate. Having an individual player come out and say he did something against the rules and understand that I think cheating is cheating regardless of how inconsequential it is, can’t compare to an entire organization cheating their way to three championships then getting caught cheating again on their way to a fourth. Just enjoy your ill begotten gains and stop with the woe is me act.

  21. The gloves the receivers use today are roughly 100 TIMES more effective than stickum. It is as if their is no human element to catching the ball unless you take your eye off it.

    If you ever got rid of the gloves you would have a completely different game.

    I would like to know how Rice got away with it. The refs would check every receiver for it before the game and lineman for silicone spray. Must have sprayed the industrial adhesive on after the fact.

    Also – Hernandez could have said “Marvin Harrison did it and he got away with it!”

  22. See, if Irvin had said, “It’s almost Aaron Hernandez starts saying, ‘Well, Ray Rice, Josh Brent, Leonard Little, OJ Simpson, and Donte Stallworth all murdered people then all NFL players murder.'”

    THEN he might have had a case and could’ve gotten a little worked up.

  23. The tangent about Aaron Hernandez was weird, but Irvin is absolutely right.

    Helping catch the ball is exactly why people used stickum

    Jerry Rice had a notable drop problem early on, which magically cleared up once he started using stickum.

    Rice’s whole career is an asterisk-tainted lie.

  24. colorinfusion says: Feb 12, 2015 2:31 PM

    IMHO opinion, it doesn’t matter how sticky the gloves today are, they are legal and after 1981 stickum was illegal.
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    Want to guess what year receiving gloves became popular?

    And it’s a 100%, total coincidence, right?

  25. Honestly, is the usage of stickum that big of a deal. Really? Lots of recievers did use it. With or without it and I hate the niners, but he’s still the GOAT and would still be the GOAT with or without it. Everybody looks for a competitive edge over their opponents to a degree. Kinda like getting a ticket for doing 67 in a 65. Yes, some
    A-hole cop will ticket ya for it, you broke the so-called law, but do you really feel thst at 67 mph you were in any less control of your vehicle?? Doubt it. Limits should be pushed to a bend sometimes if we didn’t, we wouldn’t be Americans, we’d be chinese!

  26. According to Patriot Haters – Michael Irvin and Chris Carter are guilty simply because they denied it.

    Chris Carter*
    Jerry Rice*
    Michael Irvin*

    The FREE FALL has begun.

  27. These so-called experts, analysts, talking heads, etc. will do anything to protect their legacies and reputations.

    Now that fingers are being pointed at each of them, they’re indignant. Be indignant that NE was crucified before any investigation was even started, much less finished.

    Some of these guys were absolutely furious that NE made it to yet another SB, and grabbed on to whatever they could to denigrate the organization. It wasn’t just for the two weeks leading up to the SB, it’s been going on for years.

    Harbaugh was livid when Brady called him out and told him to study the rulebook. That is what this is all about.

  28. Here comes all the Pat fans trying to justify their cheatin ways!! Bottom line is the 2 have absolutely nothing to do with each other! Big difference from using stickum and deflated balls, recording defense calls, recording a teams practice just before the Super Bowl! So Pat fans give it a rest! There’s no comparison here! Sorry

  29. nyninerfan says:
    Feb 12, 2015 2:49 PM
    I say this not as a 49er fan, but as a football fan in general. To all of you Patriots fans out there crying incessantly about double standards, boo hoo, if this was the Patriots….blah, blah, blah, get over it. The difference is the Patriot’s track record of cheating. Your team was already busted during Spygate. Having an individual player come out and say he did something against the rules and understand that I think cheating is cheating regardless of how inconsequential it is, can’t compare to an entire organization cheating their way to three championships then getting caught cheating again on their way to a fourth. Just enjoy your ill begotten gains and stop with the woe is me act.
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    Okay Brian Williams. Apparently you have conveniently forgotten the truth about your beloved 49ers. There may not be another team with as horrid a record of cheating as the 49ers. Meanwhile the Pats accepted that they(God forbid) taped from the wrong location. That’s it, that’s all. But you continue to live in that fantasy world of yours.

  30. nyninerfan:

    We’ll never know if the Pats ‘cheated’ their way to their first three SB’s (supposedly filming of defensive signals started in ’06, but whatever, I highly doubt they knew every play coming their way for years), but one thing we do know – none of the 49er SB wins came against an AFC team anywhere near as talented as this year’s defending champ Seattle team. I will definitely give you SF beating some excellent NFC teams to get to the SB, but the only team they beat in the SB that was halfway decent was the Dolphins in 85. Take the two Bengals teams and the Broncos and Chargers and rank all of the AFC champions over the years and they are way down on the list. Pats beat two of the best teams of their time – the Greatest Show on Turf and the Seahawks (3 time consecutive best defensive team) – in the SB. 49ers can’t make that argument.

  31. Cowboys fan here and Irvin is having some selective memory…yes he “technically” didn’t murder anyone but he tried to kill Everett McIver with scissors because he jumped in front of him in the haircut line….I like how he conveniently forgets that….still the baddest receiver I ever saw behind Jerry and Moss.

  32. Why all the hoopla? Even if Jerry Rice or any other WR used stick’um, it could never have the impact of every offensive player using a deflated ball.

    A great WR only touches the ball 10 times a game at most., while the entire offense may have it for 70 plays. That’s a huge difference.

    So unless every team admits to deflating footballs, there is a false equivalency in the air. As a college WR, I used it in the late 70’s, but you end up catching more grass than passes.

    No big deal.

  33. nyninerfan says: Feb 12, 2015 2:49 PM

    “I say this not as a 49er fan, but as a football fan in general. To all of you Patriots fans out there crying incessantly about double standards, boo hoo, if this was the Patriots….blah, blah, blah, get over it. The difference is the Patriot’s track record of cheating. Your team was already busted during Spygate. Having an individual player come out and say he did something against the rules and understand that I think cheating is cheating regardless of how inconsequential it is, can’t compare to an entire organization cheating their way to three championships then getting caught cheating again on their way to a fourth. Just enjoy your ill begotten gains and stop with the woe is me act.”

    Track record? That’s too funny!!! Yes, 4 championships and COUNTING!!!!! Yeah, we’re enjoying it!!!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!

  34. The only ‘Patriots Record of Cheating’ is made up by people who are cranky about ‘The Patriots Record of Winning’. Period. The team and the head coach were fined in 2007 for doing exactly what every team in the NFL had been doing until 2006. They were taping play calls from the public seats. Multiple (honest) head coaches have acknowledged that they were doing exactly the same thing for years. On the first day of the League Year in 2007… The Former Offensive Coordinator of The Patriots played poo-ball and ‘bagged ‘ Belichick for taping. Eric Mangini was mad. He was mad because he went to work for a division rival, and was not allowed to take the documentation of plays, strategies, concepts, and theory with him when he walked away from his relationship with The Patriots. So, he did the next best thing… Play Chicken-Poo. He knew where to look for the places video scouts were placed in 2006 for the team he had been Offensive Coordinator for in 2006… He knew that ‘Placement’ was outside of the rules… And he busted his mentor for not letting him steal the work, the effort, the strategy, the analysis, and the planning that The Patriots Organization had done. There is a scandal that goes with ‘Spygate’ but it is about theft… not about taping. It is about integrity. For 8-12 plays in one game in 2007… The New England Patriots had video scouts outside of the New league guidelines. They went on to win every… YES EVERY… regular season game after… And lost The Super Bowl by a whisper and a prayer. History is easy. Learn it.

  35. OK, so according to the logic of the Internet, all of San Fransico’s accomplishments from the beginning of time are now officially TAINTED.

    So, let’s see, New England never did anything without cheating.

    San Fransico never did anything without cheating.

    PIttsburgh Steelers…you’re up!

  36. Here’s what I have to say, back when all these top receivers were playing they could get molested, late hit, speared….you name it. So I’ll give them a little stickum. What’s Brady’s, or any other QB’s excuse, for manipulating the football in today’s game where receivers are allowed to run free?

  37. “You know dang well I didn’t murder anyone. I only ALMOST murdered someone.. By stabbing them in the neck with scissors. And that was only once, and it was my teammate.. In the locker room.”

    Still glad all these guys are alienating Rice. Can’t stand that fraud. Never could.

  38. i don’t understand why people care about ANY of this. its a game of football. players go out there and play football .. that’s it. put dirt on it, put stickum on it, try to listen to what the opposition is telling each other .. try to figure out what they are signalling to each other .. that is all a part of the game.

    its football .. not the entrance exams to get into college .. do whatever you can to win that damn game. there is no such thing as “cheating” in sports .. all pro sports are here to provide entertainment to the rest of us and to get paid doing it .. period .. the word “cheating” is not a part of the picture anymore than scuba diving is

  39. Stickum deez…I’ve staunchly defended the Pats and its my belief they didn’t gain a competitive advantage by any of the “gates” but it’s so many butt hurt sneak dissers on this thread…

  40. 34defense2014 says: Feb 12, 2015 3:22 PM

    Here comes all the Pat fans trying to justify their cheatin ways!! Bottom line is the 2 have absolutely nothing to do with each other! Big difference from using stickum and deflated balls, recording defense calls, recording a teams practice just before the Super Bowl! So Pat fans give it a rest! There’s no comparison here! Sorry
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    Yep, there’s a huge difference. There’s yet to be any real proof that the Pats deflated their footballs. The pre-SB practice recording bit was shown to be false, and resulted in a front page retraction of the story in which the accusation was made. All teams record signals. Spygate wasn’t about the sideline being videotaped. It was about where it was being taped from. Even then, it wasn’t against the rules during their SB runs. So, the whole “pattern of cheating” business we keep hearing about is just a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors and accusations…with the exception of Spygate.

    With the 49ers, on the other hand, Rice admitted to using stickum after he had a bad case of the drops his rookie year. They’ve also been proven to have violated the salary cap during their lengthy dynasty, so that they could stack their team with talent they wouldn’t have been able to afford otherwise. So, you’re right, there is no real comparison.

    P.S. Not a Pats fan.

  41. The first owner to be penalized for salary cap infringements was the 9er owner. And that was during their SB days.

  42. “its football .. not the entrance exams to get into college .. do whatever you can to win that damn game”

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    Why should college exams be exempt from cheating? Or medical degrees? Or taxes? I mean, why not cheat on EVERYTHING. It doesn’t hurt anyone at all AND it’s a great lesson for our children.

    Yes, little Johnny, cheat your a55 off because I don’t care about anything you do unless it’s winning.

  43. So people really watch the NFL network?? I havent seen him since he left BSPN, but from his rant i aint missing much, combine that with Sapp.. oh my..

  44. I get where Irvin’s going but he used a clumsy analogy with Hernandez.

    What I think he’s saying, and I could be wrong, is that these days the accusation is enough to convict, whatever the accusation is. Rice says everyone used Stickum, so now they’re all under suspicion and have to defend themselves.

  45. wolff111 says:

    “I didn’t murder anybody” – I just stabbed a guy with scissors in his neck
    ===============
    The guy he stabbed never even pressed charges. It was while he was giving him a haircut and there was some horse play involved. Stupidity? Yes. Attempted murder? No.

    When someone uses the term ‘stabbed’ or ‘assaulted’, or even the term ‘struck’ it means nothing without context. If I grab you by the elbow as you turn away from me that qualifies as assault, legally – but without context it can sound like I hit you, beat you, kicked you, or smacked you with a baseball bat.

    Likewise, when people refer to Dez Bryant ‘slapping his mama around’, all he did was slap her hands away from his face with his baseball cap when she tried to take a gold necklace from him.

    People need to stop ignoring context because it works better in their arguments.

  46. stanklepoot
    Feb 12, 2015, 3:47 PM EST

    There’s yet to be any real proof that the Pats deflated their footballs.

    The pre-SB practice recording bit was shown to be false, and resulted in a front page retraction of the story in which the accusation was made.

    All teams record signals.

    Spygate wasn’t about the sideline being videotaped. It was about where it was being taped from.

    P.S. Not a Pats fan.

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    Righht.. NOT a Pats fan. Kk.

  47. Has anyone who is outraged over Rice even used stickum? I used it in high school and maybe it helps if you don’t have receiver gloves. It was used by recievers in the 70s and doesn’t exactly make every WR great.

  48. If you want to see talent on NFL Sunday then get rid of the gloves.

    Make any type of glove illegal. NO GLOVES.

    Take the glove off of this years Beckham catch and guess what – NO CATCH.

  49. Report comment
    harrisonhits2 says:
    Feb 12, 2015 2:30 PM
    “With the gloves receivers have today, who needs stickum?”

    Right except they didn’t have those gloves back then. And stickum was illegal at that time.

    There are certainly a lot of zero tolerance people on here if its the Pats involved, but a lot of you are finding ways to make your double standard clear when its another team involved.

    HOW TRUE IS THAT??????

    If Randy Moss had Jerry Rice’ QB’s..not even a contest to see who was greatest. Not even a contest to see who had more talent. Dante Culpepper????

    Rice is bitter, as he tries to hold onto his ‘legacy’ which will go away soon. He was great, but not the greatest.

  50. Whatever, it’s well known the Patriots are cheaters. All the way from the owner to the custodian. The Public knows it, the Patriots know it, everyone knows it! Its that simple. The entire Patriots organization are with out a shadow of a doubt cheats! I compare the Patriots to the Raiders of the 70’s only difference is what the Raiders where doing back then was legal, stickum, late hits on receivers, late hits on QB’s it was all with in the frame work of the rules at that time! Patriots,,, hmm not so much lol

  51. the Playmaker is the greatest competitor that ever played in the NFL. go trollin somewhere else florio. you’ve been on quite the run for being a little internet twerp lately…moreso than usual. we all realize it’s the quiet time for the league. you should follow suit…..

  52. wow i bet that was tough watching butler make that pick at the end of the super bowl huh?

    34defense2014 says:
    Feb 12, 2015 4:24 PM
    Whatever, it’s well known the Patriots are cheaters. All the way from the owner to the custodian. The Public knows it, the Patriots know it, everyone knows it! Its that simple. The entire Patriots organization are with out a shadow of a doubt cheats! I compare the Patriots to the Raiders of the 70’s only difference is what the Raiders where doing back then was legal, stickum, late hits on receivers, late hits on QB’s it was all with in the frame work of the rules at that time! Patriots,,, hmm not so much lol

  53. Jerry Rice is old and senile! he is getting to that point in life where you no longer have a filter. pay him no mind

  54. How many catches did Jerry Rice make using the illegal stickum he admitted?
    How much did Joe Montana and Steve Young benefit from having Jerry Rice as their primary target?How many games did his team win due to these catches?
    How much has each of these guys whine about Tom Brady ALLEDGEDLY deflating footballs?

    As far as I’m concerned, all of their achievements, records and wins are called into question, as we have no idea which ones were legitimately earned, and which ones were due to admitted cheating.

    I would also add that I would find it hard to believe that Rice was using stickum and the other 49er receivers were not. He already acknowledged that “everyone” did it, and surely he would have known if his teammates were.

    Finally, his LA Times quote from 1993 makes it very clear that he knew this was cheating as he was doing it, yet he did it anyway.

  55. pa1981 says: Feb 12, 2015 4:14 PM

    Has anyone who is outraged over Rice even used stickum? I used it in high school and maybe it helps if you don’t have receiver gloves.
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    What difference does that make?
    It was against the rules to use it.
    He admitted using it.
    Clearly he must have thought there was a benefit to using it.
    Go back and check his stats as a rookie – the guy was a ball-dropping machine and then suddenly developed hands like glue.

  56. Don’t really care about Tom Brady deflating balls but filming teams practices and defensive signals is/was cheating.

    Montana > Brady
    Rice> Everyone else

  57. Montana to Rice was amazing. They were magic to watch, and they did great things. Rice was also fabulous at Mississippi Valley State. In my world, there is absolutely nothing that will ever take away from what I watched these two guys did together on the football field. It was extraordinary. We don’t get a do-over and a reassessment. The rules of the game, and the rules of the day were just that. Any suggestion that the rules of 2015 should be applied to the games of twenty years ago is just silly. I know it is a slow news day… But to paint a stain (just because you can) is just rotten. We should be better than this.

  58. Montana > Brady
    Rice> Everyone else
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    Rice is an admitted cheater and cannot be ranked ahead of guys who did it right.

    Montana benefited from his years throwing to Rice as his primary target in a pass first offense in which every receiver was probably cheating.

  59. Irvin and Carter both seem a little defensive. Maybe they have something to hide. They certainly have much to gain by discrediting Rice. I think deserves what’s coming to him for putting his and the 9ers legacy at risk but what these two guys are saying must also be taken with a grain of salt.

  60. oliveyang says: Feb 12, 2015 5:43 PM

    Irvin and Carter both seem a little defensive. Maybe they have something to hide. They certainly have much to gain by discrediting Rice.
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    Rice did a very good job of discrediting himself. Everyone else is innocent until proven guilty (and I’m sure some hack reporter is out studying sideline glove video and interviewing former assistant uniform managers as we speak).

  61. “Irvin and Carter used to push off a lot isn’t that cheating too. Come on guys”

    That’s a game time infraction. It carries an immediate penalty if caught and is committed in front of the entire stadium. Stick-em is applied in private so as to not attract attention and is certainly not done in front of the officials or crowd.

  62. You gotta be kidding me trying to turn stickum into some sort of controversy. I’d love to know how many DVD’s the NFL sold over the past 20 years selling stickum use as part of the colorful cast of NFL characters.

    Anybody that sees any issue here has obviously not been watching pro football very long.

  63. stixzidinia says: Feb 12, 2015 6:00 PM

    You gotta be kidding me trying to turn stickum into some sort of controversy.
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    And yet Jerry Rice was very quick to announce that Tom Brady had cheated by deflating footballs and any championships won deserved an asterisk. And this for something merely alleged, never proven and equally trivial to many people.

  64. The pipe maker didn’t use stickum, but nobody pushed off better, stuck scissors in people better and was found strung out with hookers better.

    On top off that, he gives you a free weather forecast every time he tries to speak.

  65. There’s a huge difference here that no one seems to be mentioning. The Patriots are the only one’s who got caught!!

    Jerry Rice never got caught. Irving and recievers used to push off A LOT!! But it didn’t get called.

    At least we know new HOFer Tim Brown didn’t spray stickum on he gloves… And that’s because he didn’t wear them!! He was always bare handed.. With a little tape here or there.

    Maybe we should kick Fred Belitnikoff out of the HOF since he used stickum although it was legal back then

  66. “Clearly he must have thought there was a benefit to using it.
    Go back and check his stats as a rookie – the guy was a ball-dropping machine and then suddenly developed hands like glue.”

    First of all he was pretty good as a rookie. Have you ever considered that players can improve from rookie year? He never said he discovered stickum his second year and kept using it for his entire career….lol. It doesnt even help that much which is the whole reason why he didn’t think it was a big deal to admit he used it without thinking twice.

  67. First off the whole stickum on Aikman’s balls joke is juvenile. Grow up. I’m pretty sure Irvin was trying to say if he ever tried to get stickum on the footballs Aikman would’ve been pissed not that he tried it and Aikman got pissed. Second off while I’m not defending what Irvin did to McIver to say he “stabbed” him is an embellishment. He didn’t jam the scissors in McIver’s neck he cut his neck with the scissors ( trust me I know it sounds ridiculous to act like there’s much of a difference or that slicing is better than stabbing). And though Irvin was somewhat of a push off artist he hardly ever got flagged for it and if everybody watching saw it I’m sure the officials did too and obviously didn’t think it was bad enough to warrant PI and if that makes him less great in some of y’all’s eyes then you should feel the same about every great corner who played with an aggressive style cause if not for the aggressive style how many corners would even be considered great.

  68. Nobody is upset at Jerry Rice for telling the truth about what he did. He cheated and admitted it. He just thinks it should be excused because everyone else was doing it.

    Jerry Rice is making the case here that another famous San Francisco athlete should make the other Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Jerry, you are the Barry Bonds of football.

  69. buffaloviper says:
    Feb 12, 2015 2:38 PM
    Anyone can go back to Captain Push-off videos to see what
    he did best and not get flagged. I don’t think pushing off the
    defender to catch the football counted as a legal move. I have to admit Michael Irvin was an expert at it because he did it alot and was hardly ever flagged.

    He is still a Hall of Fame Player but he has to realize he has sins as well that are more blatant.

    __________________________

    Rice said he cheated. Irvin’s cheating is up to interpretation and is often considered part of the game.

  70. Of course “The Playmaker” didn’t use Stickum. There’s no way he snort lines with Stickum all over his fingers.

  71. carloswlassiter said:”Go back and check his (Rice) stats as a rookie – the guy was a ball-dropping machine and then suddenly developed hands like glue.”
    *********************
    You should go back and check his stats from college before making a fool of yourself.

  72. qdog112 says: Feb 12, 2015 8:43 PM

    You should go back and check his stats from college before making a fool of yourself.
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    College stats? Seriously? Trent Richardson won the frickin’ Heisman in college and he’s a scrub as a pro. I’m pretty sure I can name a 100 guys with good colege stats that couldn’t make it in the big leagues.

    All I know is Jerry Rice dropped every other ball as a rookie, then suddenly developed good hands as soon as he discovered stickum.

  73. I went back and looked at Rice’s college stats. They are tough to find (couldn’t find anything on drops), but I did notice that in college photos he was wearing gloves on the field, started as a rooking for the 49ers without gloves, then went back to gloves later.

    Pretty clear he had stickum on his gloves in college, went to the pros, realized it was against the rules, played without it, sucked, and then decided just to go back to the stickum covered gloves and the rest is history.

  74. It was while he was giving him a haircut and there was some horse play involved. Stupidity? Yes. Attempted murder? No.
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    That’s not what I remember. I believe he used them against a rookie because he wouldn’t let Irvin cut in line to get a haircut…

  75. In the aftermath of Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice admitting to the application of stickum to his gloves and claiming that everyone did it, no other Hall of Famers (or other receivers) have come forward and said, “He’s right.”

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    This is akin to no ACTIVE QB in the NFL coming out against the Patriots for allegedly making the balls the way the QB likes. They all do it, and want to keep doing it, so they stayed silent. Only the retired QB’s with legacies to protect, or reclaim, sounded off and declared guilt until proven innocent.

    None of these receivers wants an asterisk next to their name. Lolzzz….

  76. 34defense2014 says:
    Feb 12, 2015 4:24 PM
    Whatever, it’s well known the Patriots are cheaters…

    It appears to be true that it is widely believed by internet sports web site Patriot envying trolls that the Patriots are cheaters.

    Now we all know based on Rice’s admission, “all” meaning you trolls and non-trolls, that the 49ers of Walsh, Montana, Rice, Young, Craig, etc. were cheating throughout their Dynasty years.

    That is all those of us who understand football are pointing out. The 49ers of the Walsh/Montana/Young/Haley/Craig/Seifert, etc. years were serial cheaters. We knew they cheated on the salary cap at the end of their dynasty, we did not know for certain that their cheating was arguably even more egregious. Now we know.

  77. rainsarge says: Feb 12, 2015 5:50 PM

    Irvin and Carter used to push off a lot isn’t that cheating too. Come on guys
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    No. Pushing off (offensive pass interference) can draw a flag and earn a penalty, but it’s still a part of game play. Pushing off is no more cheating than encroachment or a false start. What Rice admitted to was using a banned substance to artificially improve his performance. While not the same, that would be closer to using steroids or HGH.

    Let me be clear, I’m not saying Rice made the HoF because of stickum. Yeah, he had a lot of drops his rookie year, but players tend to improve a lot over their rookie years. Most of his improvement was almost certainly a result of practice. So, the stickum issue, by itself, is probably not a real big issue.

    The real reason I think Rice should be called out on it is because it demonstrates a rather large degree of hypocrisy. Rice claimed that Brady’s SBs and legacy are tainted because he deflated some footballs (which hasn’t been proven), and eventually admitted to cheating himself. His defense was basically “well, it’s only REALLY cheating if you get an advantage from it, and since every other WR did it, I didn’t really have a competitive advantage.” The irony of this argument is that Brady performed better in the 2nd half when the balls were within regulation air pressure, and Rice went from dropping a bunch of passes to being considered the greatest WR of all time. Of the two, who would appear to have gained a competitive advantage?

    By the way, do you really think it’s just a coincidence that Rice didn’t have a bad word to say about Brady until the talking heads went from questioning whether or not Brady was better than Manning to questioning whether or not Brady was better than Montana?

  78. In this world we live in, if you admit to cheating like Rice, you cheated. If you don’t, like Irvin, you cheated. As long as you weren’t wearing a Patriots uniform though, for the most part, no one cares. They cheated even when they didn’t.

  79. 12thman84 says:

    That’s not what I remember. I believe he used them against a rookie because he wouldn’t let Irvin cut in line to get a haircut…

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    Yes, he committed a premeditated murder attempt on a team mate because he cut in line. That makes much more sense than juvenile horseplay that got out of hand. Maybe Irvin did grab the scissors and stupidly wave them at the rookie. But likely jostling around resulted in the injury more than any attempt to kill someone.

  80. “Pats beat two of the best teams of their time – the Greatest Show on Turf and the Seahawks (3 time consecutive best defensive team) – in the SB.”
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    Well, to be factually correct, everyone but a Pat’s fanboy knows that Seattle coaches gave that 4th win to NE at the one yard line by not giving Lynch the ball, or a simple pass run pass option for Wilson.

    But NE did win 4 SB’s by a combined lowly total of 13 points. No other team has come close to winning 4 SB’s by a combined 13 point margin of winning.

    Better to be luckier than good as they say!

  81. I’ll echo others that say the gloves they wear now are much more effective than stickum.

    Players of any era have more or less a level playing field. There are advantages that can be taken within the rules….and in gray areas. Everyone has that opportunity. But those types of things may help only to a miniscule degree.

    Jerry Rice did not catch over 100 TDs because he had stickum on his hands. Maybe we’d all like to think that we could do what he does/did if only we were allowed to have sticky hands….. 🙂

    Jerry Rice’s legacy is not tarnished imo. People are just on a which hunt for those kinds of things lately. The Patriots won on merit. Whatever the complainers are bitter about, there’s no need to try and cast clouds of doubt on everyone other than their favorite team/players.

  82. I wonder how far into the past admissions and/or denials regarding on-field behavior will stretch? Breaking news: Slinging Sammy Baugh’s family called a presser today to strongly deny accusations he used creme gel on his throwing arm throughout his career…this is quickly becoming tedious.

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