Grigson’s admission puts Kensil under more scrutiny

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Thursday’s stunning admission by Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson that he alerted the NFL to concerns about the inflation of Patriots footballs before the AFC title game made a confusing situation even more confusing.

The NFL has insisted, publicly and privately, that there was no sting operation.  But if Grigson shared concerns about underinflated footballs with the league office before the AFC title game and if the league office didn’t tell the Patriots about those concerns before the AFC title game, it’s fair to suspect that someone wanted to catch the Patriots in the act.

NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent has said that Grigson contacted V.P. of game operations Mike Kensil (pictured) during the AFC championship, after a football that had been intercepted by linebacker D’Qwell Jackson allegedly seemed to be underinflated.  That makes Kensil, a former Jets employee with a reputation for having an anti-Patriots bias, a prime candidate to have gotten the phone call from Grigson before the game.

What if Kensil decided he was going to handle it on his own, that he was going to catch the Patriots in the act?

That would explain the failure of the game officials to make a written record of the PSI measurements of the Patriots and Colts footballs before the game.  If they didn’t know that there were concerns about the Patriots’ footballs, they would have had no reason to generate a paper trail.

It also would explain the NFL’s strong insistence that there was no sting operation.  A sting operation entails coordination and planning; if Kensil got the call from Grigson and Kensil didn’t share the information with his colleagues, Kensil’s goal may have been:  (1) to prevent the Patriots from getting a warning about the concerns regarding air pressure; and (2) to nab the Patriots red handed.

This doesn’t mean the Patriots are innocent.  But given Grigson’s admission and the bizarre tale of footballs being taken from the game for private sale, it’s obvious that the NFL will indeed need clear, hard proof of tampering in order to justify punishing the Patriots.

The chain of custody is far too sketchy and the security procedures for the footballs are far too incomplete to justify a finding that mere evidence of underinflation means that Patriots are guilty of tampering.  While circumstantial evidence has sent many a man to prison, the circumstances in this case have become far too complicated to permit a conclusion of cheating, absent a smoking gun or a confession.

254 responses to “Grigson’s admission puts Kensil under more scrutiny

  1. As usual, Goodall spreads lies that blow up in his face. It was obvious by what the Ravens said and the Colts that they knew about the balls BEFORE the AFC title game.

    Just one more reason not to trust anything that comes out of Goodall’s mouth. He’s the biggest liar I’ve seen in NFL history.

    The Patriots were deflating balls. They just caught the guy who’s been doing it. What more proof do you need???

  2. Goodell needs to fire Grigson and then resign after writing a long public apology to Bob Kraft, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. What a fiasco

  3. If they have video of the league official handing the K ball to the Patriot’s staffer then there would also be video of someone on the Patriot’s sideline deflating the balls.

  4. Broncos cheated to win their Super Bowls, 49ers cheated to win their Super Bowls and neither has won since. Pretty pathetic.

  5. Wow. Integrity of the game, huh? Kensil should be immediately fired if it is shown this (and it looks like it is the case) has his fingerprints all over it.

    And Goodell has some explaining to do as well.

  6. If the NFL thought that there were issues with the Patriots under-inflating footballs before the Colts playoff game, then why didn’t they CALL Kraft and bring this up with him rather than jeopardizing the integrity of the AFC Championship Game? To me, this still looks like a sting operation between the Colts, Ravens/Jim Harbaugh and Mike Kensil, all of whom have an ax to grind against the Patriots presumably because they’re all jealous of the Patriot’s success. This just reeks of sour grapes.

  7. Nothing like a former Jets employee (there when BB snubbed them) running the investigation. I’m sure its a totally legitimate claim. He really got gullible silly america going though. Now about that deflated egg on your face…

  8. whatever! Goodell has made sure the NFL has no credibility anymore. the league is a joke nowadays. Cant wait for the NCAA football season to start

  9. Colts tampering with intercepted football is the only LOGICAL explanation.
    The football the colts had in their possession for 20 minutes was the only ball found to be under 2psi.
    The ten or eleven other balls were all under an average deflation around 0.5 psi.
    Any unbiased investigator would IMMEDIATELY know that the burden of guilt is upon those individuals who ‘Have an axe to grind’, Jealous, Hateful, Envious towards the innocent party that is being falsely accused.
    Mother Nature – SCIENCE – Has already declared WORLDWIDE that the PATRIOTS did nothing wrong – ABSOLUTELY no breaking of Rule 17.
    The fingers of LOGIC, SCIENCE and JUSTICE now point to the Colts as the main suspect.
    Why did it take Well$ this long to milk the cow???

  10. The cheaters here are Grigson and Kensil. There is zero doubt at this point that the one ball that was way under pressure, the one that was on the Colts sideline for 20+ minutes before being turned over to the refs, was deflated by the Colts.

    Both should be fired and the Pats should get a draft pick from Indy for compensation.

  11. Tom Curran also pointed out that the ESPN reporter that broke the short lived story about a Patriots staffer using an “unapproved ball” is married to a league official with a direct link to Mike Kensil.

  12. Did you see what Tom Brady did in the SB with properly inflated footballs? A SB record 37 completions, while helping the Patriots become the first team in SB history to come back from more than 10 points down in the second half, against the No. 1 ranked defense the last three years running. Prior teams attempting the same feat in the SB were 0-29.

    Now you know why the Colts were so desperate to tamper with the footballs, they knew yet another blowout loss was inevitable.

  13. Clearly … this was handled badly… The Patriots are innocent… There is no proof circumstantial or otherwise to prove anything…

    All we have is an ESPN report saying the league found evidence of tampering… which now seems impossible given everything that had come out since… and the source of this “leak” is an NFL executive with a Patriots bias running rogue in cahoots with two franchises (Raven and Colts) tired of loosing to the Patriots.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven … Simply Disgraceful.

  14. “This doesn’t mean the Patriots are innocent”?????

    I believe this whole fiasco means the Patriots are innocent. If Kensil isn’t fired by the end of this whole thing I’d be surprised.

    Meanwhile, no one is saying a thing about piped in noise, texting in Cleveland, stickem gloves and the 7 Colts that were arrested last season.

    How Goodell is having such a hard time running a business that runs itself (you just have to not screw it up) is beyond me???

  15. Sun Tzu said: “One defends when his strength is inadaquate, he attacks when it is abundant.”

    Goodell is at his weakest ever and it was never going to get better for Kensil to make a move to seize the crown than now. Show everyone that “at least someone is doing something,” at the NFL headquarters and suddenly they become the next candidate.. but it all went south.

  16. I mean can you blame ’em…

    The Pats have been kicking their butts for sooooo long at this point. What a pathetic group of losers…

  17. Goodell needs to get his house in order and under control. He rose to the top by not alienating a couple of fiefdoms, but now they’re out of control, leaking possibly litigious accusations as maverick, rogue operations. Not only is there no paper trail, there’s growing evidence of an outright frame. If NFL had a chairman and Goodell was CEO, he’d be fired by now. So when do you fire this turkey, Chairman Kraft?

  18. Kensil is not only a former Jet employee….he was one of the guys the head guys when Belichick screwed them over by resigning at his presser to announce him as next head coach of Jets back in 2000…..even better, Kensil was FIRED by Eric Mangini when Mangini (Belichick protoge) took over Jets in 2006

  19. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: these people couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

  20. you envy the seahwaks? Funny name…last i checked, SeaHawk have one Super Bowl win and 2 Super Bowl losses…1 for 3 is a 33.3% win percentage…must stink to root for a team that chokes repeatedly in the big games, no?

    But hey your “ONE YEAR DYNASTY” was an all time amazing run of success

  21. The Deflatriots are cheaters, period. Can’t wait til my beloved Eagles are retroactively awarded their Super Bowl XXXIX Championship rings they were cheated out of.

  22. I am still upset over the Richie incognito debacle.
    football is not a normal work environment. You are not there to encourage your direct team mates in your position. You are there to beat them out. Either physically or mentally . They are there to take your job and vise versa.

    The wells report was a hatchet job to make the NFL look like a normal work environment.

    I never want to see Ted wells involved with the NFL again.

    Fire Goodell

  23. Question: what is happening behind the scenes this week?

    The weird leak of the story about the Patriots locker room official trying to “introduce” a ball into the game, a story that has now been almost completely undermined, must have come from somewhere. The writer of that discredited story, Kelly Naqi, said she had *four* sources. And the claim in that story was that THIS incident caused the officials to contact Mike Kensil. (Thus, implicitly, it didn’t start with the intercepted ball.)

    Who floated this story? If I had to guess, it would be someone who wanted to undermine or downplay the long-standing narrative that the initial concerns about footballs came from the Colts sideline.

    Then, after that story is shot down in less than 24 hours, highlighting incompetence and unethical behavior among league employees, Ryan Grigson comes out the next day claiming he had warned the league before the game. “Just doing my job…” What was his motivation for saying this four weeks after the fact, but not giving any other details? Why was he so eager to get THIS
    “fact” out there.

    I can’t exactly figure out what this all means, but it does sound like people are starting to point fingers and create excuses.

    And, notice, it isn’t the Patriots who are out there seemingly bracing for the worst.

    Something very weird is happening behind the scenes. Whatever Wells has found, it is causing people to start leaking new narratives to try to get themselves off the hook.

    Makes you wonder…

  24. There are very few enterprises in the world that could be this badly managed without some action taken against the CEO. JP Morgan comes to mind, but that’s about it.

  25. AFCCG w a SB berth on the line – Kensil goes for the “gotcha”. My sense is that other teams would have been issued a letter before hand.
    Like when the Colts complained about the field before a game a few years ago, NFL forced the issue to be addressed to before hand to “preserve the integrity of the game.”

    Other reports indicate Kensil checked the balls himself at halftime

    My guess is that Kensil’s personal need for a Patriots “gotcha” moment >> “Integrity of the (AFC Champ.) Game”

    NET:
    The NFL is a dysfunctional, petty, back-biting, childish organization that is quick to lawyer-up and add complex requirements to the rule book every year without the Leadership to drive operational integrity.
    AND
    Patriots could very well be guilty of SOMETHING – problem is the NFL and especially Kensil’s organization lack the leadership and competence to determine exactly that that is.

  26. I wonder when this exchange happens:

    Goodell: Please have mercy Mr. Kraft!

    Mr. Kraft: I need an apology and Kensil fired.

    Goodell: Yes Mr. Kraft, right away sir!

  27. Why Was the football in the Colts possession by far the most underinflated of the group?

    Why did Kensil violate NFL rules by re-inflating the footballs or tampering with them at all?

    Why do Goodell and Kensil still have their jobs?

  28. Poor poor Patriot haters. So desperate to find excuses for why their team sucks and why the World Champions clown them every time.

    🙂

  29. YES! Florio!

    Someone needs to dig into the murky waters of this whole thing. With all the early info coming from the Colts side of the house (after they just got beaten down hard for the 4th time in the Luck era by the Pats) and Kensil (ex-Jets, avowed BB hater) being there, doing whatever it is he was doing on the Colts side (where the one ball that was seriously underinflated was), there is something super-fishy about this whole thing. Then ESPN taking over and just dropping all sorts of random crap that more or less, totally proved completely wrong. Like how are those people even still on the job?

    Time for some real journalism to get to the truth of this whole Idiocracy level stuff going on.

  30. Kensil: “If you suspect those SOB’s of anything and I mean ANYTHING. Call me first and I’ll handle it myself.”
    Grigson: “Well, I had a chat with the Ravens after their divisional game and…I think the Patriots like to use flat balls. Harbaugh thinks it may have been the cold, but I think something ain’t right.”
    Kensil: “Really? Let’s keep this between you and me. Lets see if we can catch these SOB’s red handed!”

    This conversation has been officially stamped with: FAIL

  31. This is all absolutely ridiculous.

    I am in no way a fan of the Pats. They beat us in 2004, and I will never forgive them. But if anyone is actually still blaming the Patriots for this whole deflated ball thing, youre just a plain hater.

    Innocent until proven guilty. And if you think there is no reasonable doubt, between the time Jackson intercepted the ball and thought it was underinflated (even though he is on public record saying he NEVER said that) until the end of the game, you are a moron. This whole scenario makes the NFL look like a bunch of bumbling idiots. Even moreso than the last 5 instances of them being bumbling idiots…

  32. Wow, Kelly Naqi’s husband Hussein works for the Jaguars and worked for the Jets/Giants at MetLife stadium. Do you think maybe a bit of a working relationship with Kensil?

  33. At least the Patriots have a good, long, clean record of not cheating going for them. Really, I don’t see why they would even be suspected of any wrong doing.

  34. Sorry all you bitter crybabies but the Pats won 28-24 and all the sniveling in the world won’t change that.

    How about not being such whiny losers? maybe even try to show a little dignity dealing with your disappointment.

  35. VERY, VERY VERY OBVIOUS..That this was a sting operation by the Colts [ Mr Wells, were the Ravens involved too?]and the NFL…namely Kensil!!!!!

    Kensil….absolutely hates Belichick for leaving jets, to coach the Patriots…Duh!!!!!…I mean compare the 2 organizations…Are you kidding me????

    Kensil, not only needs to be terminated immediately…but Mr. Kraft needs to heavily explore a lawsuit vs the NFL for defamation….HOPING Brady does same.

    Colts?????….Is Irsays 2nd violation, …1 year suspension, OR force him to sell [ and maybe to LA owner ]..and severely dock them draft choices…..namely starting w/a 1st rounder.!!!!

  36. Do to the excessive whining and crying by fans and the 31 teams not named the Patriots, the league has decided to cancel Super Bowl 50 and will instead hand out gold stars and participation ribbons to all players and teams at the end of the 2015 regular season.

  37. One thing is certain. The Wells report will include a strongly worded recommendation that the NFL create an Office of League Integrity and staff it with people who know how to get to the bottom of things in a manner that satisfies the fan base.

    The Patriots will be back, and if the fans think they cheated to get there, the league will suffer for it.

  38. Kensil obviously has a vendetta as well as Grigson and SOMEONE at the Ravens(Harbaugh “denies any involvement” but said K balls weren’t going as far as normal-not knowing that cold will affect the kicking game..). ESPN keeps brining in new “leaks” that are unsubstantiated..It was noted by local Boston news station right after the SB that press row in Arizona was “90% against the Patriots”. So all this fodder about deflated footballs and NOTHING reported about Jerry Rice and stickum? Cant wait for the Wells report whereupon Kensil should be fired and an apology issued by Grigson AND ESPN!
    What a joke of a story..

  39. So what you are saying is the Pats cheated in previous games, teams made complaints, and the NFL ignored those complaints. How does this implicate any wrongdoing by the Colts? It doesn’t…

  40. Maybe that woman who supposedly got the Ray Rice video tape is to blame here as well? The reason the Wells investigation is taking so long is that Goodell is figuring out who his scapegoat is going to be . He needs to nail someone(s) big and that’s his ticket to plead ignorance to save his job. He can then explain to Bob Kraft that he was in the dark on this and won’t have to personally apologize. I’m afraid the biggest sleaze of all is going to escape again.

  41. Now that most of the smoke has cleared, we find ourselves right back to where Deflate-Gate originated.
    The Colts being caught RED HANDED with the ONLY football that was 2psi under league rule.
    The Colts handling the suspect football for at least twenty minutes before it was turned in.
    The Colts complaining to Goodell since November 16, 2014 about the Patriots cheating AGAIN!
    The Colts losing to the Patriots in the playoffs for the last three years in a row.

    There is a LOGICAL explanation in here somewhere – I just know it !!!!!

  42. If both teams had balls that were under inflated perhaps your point would stand Mike, but given the circumstances I’ll be stunned if the Patriots don’t lose draft picks even if there is no hard evidence of who did what.

  43. hakunamangata says: Feb 20, 2015 10:27 AM

    Tuck Rule
    Spygate
    Deflategate

    In the immortal words of Dennis Green;

    “They are who we thought they were!”
    —————————————————

    Tuck rule? Huh? The tuck rule existed long before that infamous playoff game. But you’re somehow choosing to blame the Patriots for it, as evidence of something?

  44. Early on when I heard the name Mike Kensil associated with this matter, I immediately believed he was the culprit. A long time Jets employee and now NFL vice president of game day operations, Kensil has openly hated the Patriots and had a vendetta against them for years. He is the person Grigson went to before the AFC title game, and would have been responsible for orchestrating the whole gameday shenanigans, without the knowledge of most, if not all the league’s hierarchy. He is almost certainly the person at the root of the story, if not the actual leak on the bogus Chris Mortenson report that 11 out of 12 balls were underinflated by at least two pounds. Mort and ESPN were made fools of, and have been trying to recover ever since. ESPN made the poor decision of digging their heels in, to try to cover the embarrassment of their screw-up and to keep the ratings high. This last leak may drive the last nail into Kensil’s coffin as the guilty party. Kensil is most likely the direct leak on the latest story by Kelly Naqi about an unapproved ball attempted to be introduced into the game by a Patriots employee. Naqi is the wife of Hussein Naqi, former league employee, who has also been hired by the league at times as legal counsel since he left in 2002. This from PFT’s Tom E. Curran yesterday…”More recently, Hussain Naqi worked for the New Meadowlands Stadium Company in East Rutherford, N.J. There, he served as Vice President of Business Planning and General Counsel at MetLife Stadium, the home of the Jets and Giants. Naqi would have worked closely with the league office on all the logistics for Super Bowl 48. The man in charge of “running” the Super Bowl for the NFL is its Vice President of Game Operations. He would speak to Naqi a lot. His name is Mike Kensil.” The evidence points to Mike Kensil as the guilty party in all of this. If the Wells Report is not whitewashed, Kensil will be fired and possibly banned from any NFL employment whatsoever.

  45. Pathetic sting operation that failed. The Colts handled the evidence and presented the evidence. You know, like the cops do, excepting the police never taint the evidence, right? Anyway, they jeopardized the integrity of the AFC championship game with this little show that didn’t work. Pathetic. Again.

  46. So, the reporter who came out with the “Patriots ‘tried to introduce’ a ball” story is married to a guy with strong ties to the Jets, and Kensil.

    The whole K ball fiasco was NOT a Patriots ploy of any sort, but rather a scam by an NFL employee to steal game balls for personal profit.

    And then we have Kensil, acting as a much-less-clever version of Inspector Clouseau, setting up his own sting operation?

    I’m sorry, but only the diehard Pats haters will view this as anything still being related to the Pats. This SHOULD BE an internal NFL investigation.

    Oh, and by the way, how can the NFL be conducting any kind of serious investigation when we’re constantly bombarded by these “sources say” leaks from the head office? The whole thing is ridiculous.

  47. This story changes every day, so don’t jump to conclusions just yet. It sounds like the NFL is doing the right thing. If you own a company and you have good reason to suspect one of your employees is stealing, what would you do? Put in security cameras to catch the thief, or put out a memo that alerts everyone that you’re looking for a thief? I think you’d have a better chance to prosecute the criminal with video evidence of a crime being committed, than going to court with your word against their’s. Same deal here. The Patriots obviously aren’t going to admit anything. Cheaters and liars are cut from the same cloth. If the Patriots are innocent, then this is the best way to clear their name.

  48. We have seen no scrutiny when it comes to the Pats. god-del will not touch his boys of the East. God-del will turn the cheek when it comes to Kraft ad bill-I=cheat again.

  49. Know what’s truly amazing? Seven years ago, Bill Belichick made an unsolicited call to Steve Bisciotti to recommend John Harbaugh for the Ravens HC position. Bisciotti was so impressed that he ended up hiring Harbaugh. Harbaugh had no idea Belichick did that, and didn’t find out until years later. Google “Belichick recommended Harbaugh” and see for yourself.

    That’s Belichick’s true character — going against the best interest of his own team to try to advance the career of another guy he thought might make a great coach someday, because it’s good for the sport. And for Harbaugh and the Colts to try to stab him in the back is absolutely disgusting.

  50. My post in the other Grigson thread shortly before this one was published.

    brohamma says:
    Feb 20, 2015 9:59 AM
    When Grigson admitted that he spoke to the NFL in the week leading up to the AFCC game, after stating he hadn’t, things started to become alot clearer; and doubly so now that Kensil was involved with the halftime handling of the footballs.

    Many people don’t like Goodell for numerous reasons, however, I honestly feel there was an attempt to “overthrow” him by Kensil. The commish is “beleaguered” at the moment and in a very weakened state.. perfect time to show the public/media that someone in the NFL is making a difference, right? Leading to, hey.. maybe this guy can be a potential replacement for Goodell. Except, things go pear-shaped.. and quickly.

    Say what you want, but Goodell is not dumb. Neither is Kensil. You don’t get to those places in business without knowing the lay-of-the-land. They know you have to be a shark to get ahead sometimes and all the quiet from the NFL could be a sign that this is a massive internal conflict that has suddenly become public with a team that many hate, caught in the middle.

    Competition drives many, you’ve seen it over the past weeks with ex-players lashing out at a team that ruined alot of moments for them.. don’t think that that competition involves only players, it also involves corporate business – to which the NFL belongs.

  51. From bountygate, dolphins bullying, ray rice, and now this, it is clear this commish is in over his head.

    Fire Kensil first.

    Then apologize to the Pats.

    Then Goodell should look for a new job.

  52. ftblfan9 says: Feb 20, 2015 10:36 AM

    Wow, Kelly Naqi’s husband Hussein works for the Jaguars and worked for the Jets/Giants at MetLife stadium. Do you think maybe a bit of a working relationship with Kensil?
    ——————————————————–

    He apparently worked closely with Kensil with all the prep work for SB 48 at the Jets/Giants home stadium. Nothing suspicious about that, though.

  53. Chuck Pagano is in on this as well.
    At the NFL Combine yesterday he came out and said: “the accusation that the Colts deflated the football is absolutely ludicrous.”

    Really Chucky ?

    LOGIC says your team is the one that had the ONLY football under 2psi.

    LOGIC says your team handled that football for at 20 minutes by many different individuals.

    LOGIC says, Time to OWN this one.

  54. Frame job. As suspected. Teams colluding to bring down the Pats and their little scheme is going down in flames.

  55. Brady, Belichick & NE PATRIOTS are SUPER BOWL WORLD CHAMPIONS for the FOURTH Time and on their way to FIVE.

    In the immortal words of Dennis Green;

    “They are who we thought they were!”

    SUPER BOWL WORLD CHAMPIONS – AGAIN

  56. jchemengr says:
    Feb 20, 2015 10:45 AM
    One thing is certain. The Wells report will include a strongly worded recommendation that the NFL create an Office of League Integrity and staff it with people who know how to get to the bottom of things in a manner that satisfies the fan base.

    The Patriots will be back, and if the fans think they cheated to get there, the league will suffer for it.

    ==============================
    All good points. All true. One thing missing: Gooddell will appoint another ex-Jet (just like himself) and nothing will change.

  57. It’s becoming clear as day that this was a ploy cooked up by Jim Harbaugh and Chuck Pagano, and executed by Grigson and Kensil. Goodell’s office totally botched the thing from the start, as usual. All the leaks, most of which have turned out to be baseless, gave purveyors of clickbait material all they needed to run wild. The whole thing is a disgrace. Grigson should be banned from the league for a year. Kensil should be fired and banned for life. I’d love to see Harbaugh and Pagano punished as well, but I doubt they left any hard evidence behind while hatching their little scheme.

  58. afwhigs says:Feb 20, 2015 11:07 AM

    ftblfan9 says: Feb 20, 2015 10:36 AM

    Wow, Kelly Naqi’s husband Hussein works for the Jaguars and worked for the Jets/Giants at MetLife stadium. Do you think maybe a bit of a working relationship with Kensil?
    ——————————————————–

    He apparently worked closely with Kensil with all the prep work for SB 48 at the Jets/Giants home stadium. Nothing suspicious about that, though.
    __________________________

    There is nothing suspicious about a demonstratively false story being leaked to injure an NFL franchise and its employee – with all factors pointing to the NFL as the likely source of the false story – and then having it come out that the reporter who filed the story is married to someone who has worked closely with an NFL figure at the center of the story (Kensil)???? Are you kidding me?

    While it doesn’t defacto prove the Patriots innocence, to me it proves that at least some factions in the NFL are really trying to stick it the Patriots. Irrespective of whether this is being done fairly or unfairly, who those factions are and how much of the NFL heirarchy they represent is a huge, huge story and something that would have me very concerned if I were the Patriots.

  59. @ironmd778: Regardless of the fact that it was called “correctly”, if you saw the play, you know (much like Brady knows) it was a FUMBLE.

    The rest is semantics.

    Now go shovel snow, Doc.

  60. I am convinced all these”Pats fans” commenting all over the internet are actually members of Kraft’s legal team spreading nonsense. I think this because no person could possibly be that gullible or stupid to believe the delusional things that a being posted. The Pats cheated…again, its over.

  61. The sad fact of the matter is that there are probably 3-4 different groups of people out there with different interests trying to control the deflategate narrative (Patriots, Colts, various parts of the NFL, ESPN, etc.). All the leaks are like little brushfire wars they are conducting through proxies in the press. It’s embarrassing and only comes about when the nominal leader (Goodell) lacks the requisite leadership skills to control the narrative. Goodell has to be removed and the whole apparatus of the NFL offices needs to be shaken out a bit. There are just too many nitwits, lackeys, and people with agendas in that office.

  62. Remember that time Robert Kraft was suspended for 6 games and fined $500,000? Oh wait, that was Jim Irsay — all of 5 months ago.

  63. My first thought is that no wonder bill dumped the jets at the altar because they are an organization run by a clown and staffed by clowns. It must be like going to the circus every day.

    My second thought is that the general manager of the Indianapolis Colts may be one of the 10 most stupid human beings on this planet. He might even be in the top 5. I’m just using his words but if he was looking for a level playing field why on God’s green earth would you not call out the Patriots before the game if you thought they were really getting a competitive advantage? That tells me, that he is an idiot on a level that is impossible to comprehend because he knowingly sent his team out there, a team that had already been murdered three different times under his regime, at a disadvantage in the biggest game of their lives. If you really believe the Patriots had an advantage and the playing field was tilted in their direction why would you do such a thing? And of course the answer is there is no advantage gained by any of this. This is all a witch hunt and it’s plain to see by anyone who’s not just a super homer and a super hater. I actually want the Patriots to be guilty of this because the way this whole investigation has gone down there is really no way you can actually do anything to New England.

    I hope next year the Patriots introduced nanotechnology into the football so Brady can mentally control the flight of the ball in mid air as well as our kickers being able to control the flight once it leaves their foot. I hope we deflate all opponents kicking balls going forward so they can kick it as far. I’m certainly hoping that we install cameras and microphones into the down and distance markers so that the Patriots can get real-time play calls and injury information updates so we can better make in game adjustments. I hope we get those little teeny tiny drones the military uses that are the size of flies that we can put in the locker rooms of all the other teams so we can get their halftime adjustments. I mean the possibilities are absolutely limitless so I just want to say enjoy losing all you haters I hope it’s been a ridiculously painful last 14 years and here is to the next 14 years of getting your butt kicked! You can complain all you want but you know it’s still going to happen!

  64. I saw a video of Roger Goodell running away from something in his office the other day.

    I guess someone had told him Mr. Kraft was there to see him.

    #FrameGate
    #HateGate
    #CuzYouAintGate

  65. @lega1eagle:

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL…Thanks for making my day…Eagles will get their SB trophy when Donovan McNabb stops puking all over the field…

    McNabb cheated you out of a SB not NE.

    Surfin’ the World

  66. My theory so far goes like this:
    1. Bellichick’s explanation may be true.The Patriots footballs, because of the particular scrubbing process deflate naturally during the game, even more so in cold conditions. This is probably a common situation in the NFL but maybe it’s more noticeable with the Patriots.
    2. The Colts equipment manager noticed this during their November game and notified Grigson and Pagano. Pagano had to know otherwise it’s weird that a manager won’t notify the coach but go straight to the GM. They didn’t talk about it publicly because after the game and a bad loss it would seem like a petty excuse but Grigson saw an opportunity when the teams met again in the AFC game and he notified his buddy Kensil, hoping to create enough distractions for the Patriots and also discredit them and return some honor to the team for their annual beatdowns by the Patriots.
    3. Pagano was somehow satisfied that the matter was under control. As a coach he likely doesn’t care about politics and all he wants is a better chance for his team to win so he would never go along with the idea that we’ll allow the Patriots to play with the advantage of deflated footballs in the first half so we can catch them on the act. What if the score was 28-0 Patriots in the first half?
    4. Kensil decided to run a sting operation on his own. Goodell was tight with Kraft and was spending the evening before at his house. It would be very easy to “let it slip” that the NFL was running a sting.
    5. Kensil willingly allowed the AFC game to be potentially tainted. Bear in mind, the precedents for tampering with the football were very soft, a $25k fine here, a warning there, no big deal elsewhere but if this happened to the Patriots in the AFC game, man…..
    6. Not trusting many people and not wanting Goodell or the Patriots to learn of this, Kensil only trusted a few people and probably the alternate official was let in on it. Otherwise I find it highly suspicious that the alternate official notified Kensil directly for the McNally incident. The referees themselves were left out of this that’s why there was no recording of the pre-game measurements.
    7. When the McNally incident happened, the alternate official notified Kensil who thought this was his cue and ran in to check the footballs at half-time along with the referees. To Kensil’s joy, 11 of the 12 footballs were found under 12.5 psi but unfortunately for him though the measurements were not as low as expected, except for one ball so Kensil decided not to record the numbers again and banked on the crowd frenzy upon hearing the Mortensen report a few hours later that 11 of 12 footballs were deflated, one of them even by more than 2psi and that would translate to all 11 were deflated by 2 psi.
    8. Kensil didn’t expect the Wells investigation to happen though. He thought that added to the Spygate reputation, his own report would be enough to condemn the Patriots quickly, especially considering that the SB was 2 weeks away and the League most likely would make a decision before that. In his mind he was probably hoping for the Patriots to be excluded from the SB and ashamed for eternity and the Colts taking over instead.
    9. The Patriots though fought back, denied the wrongdoing and probably the Kraft-Goodell link resulted in the investigation being authorized. Since then, clearly there have been two opposite forces fighting in the background and in my opinion it’s Kensil on one side v. Kraft-Goodell on the other. Don’t let the public beef fool you, Kraft may have felt betrayed initially but he definitely knows by now that Goodell was left purposely out of this. Look at the pattern of the leaks: the first negative leak always leaves some crucial information out and it is quickly clarified by a second leak.
    “11/12 under-inflated by 2psi” —- “only 1 under-inflated by 2psi and the rest by a tick;
    “there’s video of an attendant taking balls to the bathroom” —- “it was for 90 seconds and the video was provided by the Patriots themselves”
    “McNally tried to introduce an unmarked football” — “it was given to him by a league employee who btw was running a scam on the side”.
    10. In the end, I’ll say this: The League will test Bellichick’s claim, find it true and most likely the scrubbing process they use will be disallowed or changed. The Patriots will be reprimanded or warned because they should have realized sooner that this process, even though natural and within the rules or common practice, still affects the game ball more than expected. Kensil will most likely resign so he doesn’t get fired; Grigson will be reprimanded for not filing his claim with the proper channels (Blandino perhaps); the NFL will change the rules regarding footballs and they’ll issue not an apology but a thank you note to the Patriots for their help and assistance with the investigation and that will be the end of it. Except for those who will always believe the Patriots cheated and will never let this go.

  67. What’s amazing is that Goodell himself is responsible for the lack of trust and now lack of integrity of the NFL

    Thanks to Goodell’s over-reaction to the Patriots violation of a hence before unheard of 2006 rule in 2007, the “integrity of the shield” has now been placed in question.

    Heck – as seen by the numerous comments here there are STILL fans and even ignorant players who actually think Spygate involved spying on practices in a Super Bowl!

    Goodell’s earlier effort to appear “tough” has led to this point, and his potential firing.

    He won’t be in this position next year – mark my words

  68. It’s hilarious how many people still believe, at this point, that someone on the Patriots actually tampered with footballs after their inspection by referees.

    In order to believe that the Pats are actually guilty of tampering, one would need to a) believe the Mortensen report (which has been refuted by other reports by ESPN, PFT, and NFL network), b) believe that an elderly man “deflated” 11 balls in 98 seconds in a bathroom or c) believe that someone “deflated” balls on the sideline – but that that isn’t on video even though EVERYTHING that happens on the sidelines of the AFC Championship is on video…

    And most importantly, d) that either there is zero change in air pressure due to environmental factors, or that the “deflator” only took about 1lb PSI out to suppliment the environmental factors…

    “But…but…but…the Colts balls…why weren’t they deflated?? Huh???” Until someone reports what PSI the Colts asks the refs to set the balls at before the game, and where anyone has actually confirmed that the Colts balls were tested at halftime, that argument holds as much water as the idea that Jim McNally tried to “cheat” by “introducing” an unapproved K ball that a league employee handed him.

    Just goes to show the leaps of logic that people will take to reinforce their bizarre anti-Patriots bias.

  69. Please explain the ‘Pats should get the Colts 1st round pick?’ No one got the Pats 1st round pick when they were legitimately caught cheating. And I think I will wait until the report comes out before I start drawing conclusions. This has drug on long enough.

  70. mullman76
    Regardless of the fact that it was called “correctly”, if you saw the play, you know (much like Brady knows) it was a FUMBLE.
    ——————–

    Of course it should have been ruled a fumble because the tuck rule was stupid. But so what? Has nothing to do with the idiotic “cheating” tag.

    Nine AFC title games and four Super Bowls in 15 years…..and not done yet. Deal with it.

  71. I tend to agree that Kensil wanted it hushed up so he could personally catch the Patriots. If so, I find it difficult to assume the Kensil followed proper protocol. I can only hope that it’s Kensil who pays the price for improper action. It seems pretty clear this was a 3way tryst among Harbaugh, Grigson and Kensil.

  72. “Please explain the ‘Pats should get the Colts 1st round pick?’ No one got the Pats 1st round pick when they were legitimately caught cheating. ”

    Yeah the Pats put a camera in a position where it was no longer allowed for a single game.

    The Colts clearly deflated the one ball that was way under in the extended time they had it on their sideline in an intentional attempt to frame the Pats.

    Its the intent of the Colts to intentionally frame the Pats that should cost them a draft pick.

  73. rb01ri says:
    Feb 20, 2015 10:28 AM
    Question: what is happening behind the scenes this week?

    The weird leak of the story about the Patriots locker room official trying to “introduce” a ball into the game, a story that has now been almost completely undermined, must have come from somewhere. The writer of that discredited story, Kelly Naqi, said she had *four* sources. And the claim in that story was that THIS incident caused the officials to contact Mike Kensil. (Thus, implicitly, it didn’t start with the intercepted ball.)

    Who floated this story? If I had to guess, it would be someone who wanted to undermine or downplay the long-standing narrative that the initial concerns about footballs came from the Colts sideline.

    Then, after that story is shot down in less than 24 hours, highlighting incompetence and unethical behavior among league employees, Ryan Grigson comes out the next day claiming he had warned the league before the game. “Just doing my job…” What was his motivation for saying this four weeks after the fact, but not giving any other details? Why was he so eager to get THIS
    “fact” out there.

    I can’t exactly figure out what this all means, but it does sound like people are starting to point fingers and create excuses.

    And, notice, it isn’t the Patriots who are out there seemingly bracing for the worst.

    Something very weird is happening behind the scenes. Whatever Wells has found, it is causing people to start leaking new narratives to try to get themselves off the hook.

    Makes you wonder…
    ==============================

    +100, right on.

    you can absolutely see people scrambling to get their side out there before the Wells report does it for them…kensil through naqi, grigson w/his bizarre presser…there is no doubt those two are squirming at the moment while all in Foxboro are getting ready for a good laugh…while polishing yet another Lombardi

  74. One thing for certain, NO one from the Patriots organization has made any inconsistent or proven to be incorrect statements or assertions. ESPN, Kravitz, NFL officials, Colts coaching and management have all made incorrect, contradictory, or impossible believe remarks throughout this debacle.

    Haters can still hate the Pats but they can not hide the fact that everyone but the Pats have been proven to be liars here.

  75. hakunamangata says:
    Feb 20, 2015 10:27 AM
    Tuck Rule
    Spygate
    Deflategate

    In the immortal words of Dennis Green;

    “They are who we thought they were!”

    ====================================

    You forgot ti include Super Bowl Champions

  76. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    Feb 20, 2015 10:43 AM
    Do to the excessive whining and crying by fans and the 31 teams not named the Patriots, the league has decided to cancel Super Bowl 50 and will instead hand out gold stars and participation ribbons to all players and teams at the end of the 2015 regular season.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Great idea – then everyone is above average and nobody has hurt feelings!!

    Yay! Lets have cookies and milk then we can take a naps…..

  77. @harrisonhits2, I know what you are saying and they should lose a pick if Indy had anything to do with it but do you get how stupid it is to think the NFL will give the pick to the Pats- that is the dumbest thing I have heard.

  78. I’ve enjoyed these comments, it’s like the recent Onion article, “Resilient Tom Brady Critics Already Looking Ahead To Next Season.”

  79. As a Pats fan, the thing I find inexcusable about this whole thing is the way the media was trying to crucify them (totally without proof) during the 2 weeks before the Superbowl.
    As if preparing for the biggest game of the year wasn’t enough, the Pats players had to deal with all that BS as well.
    Soooooooo glad they won it anyway!

  80. Kensil was the guy who checked the footballs at half time…not the refs. If he has it out for the Pats who is to say he didn’t deflate the balls. I hope Wells is using lie detector tests as part of the process and making available those who participate and those that don’t.

  81. @gregfalco15
    Feb 20, 2015 11:41 AM

    Reasonable post.
    >If Grigson pre-game claim went to Kensil and not proper channels AND
    >Kensil decided to act on it alone and NOT warn the Patriots but instead go for the “sting” (ie not value the Integrity of the Game) – Goodell needs to fire Kensil – NOT let him resign. Otherwise he will appear complicit in Kensil’s actions.

    Also – the Kensil Sting is supported by 1) the fact that the referee went directly to the VP of Operations when the non-K ball was introduced. (Sure looks like it was worked out before the game.) AND 2) that Kensil was part of the testing of the balls at Halftime –

    I think Wells is going to catch a whole bunch of fish in that net he never expected……

  82. Mike, you still don’t want to link to Tom E Curran’s story that ties Kensil to Naqi.

    Nor do you seem to want to outline the clear ways in which Kensil broke NFL protocols.

    This was not an “integrity of the game” issue, which is what you and so many others accepted it was from day one. It was a premeditated smear campaign, played out through contacts in the media (Kravitz, Mortensen, Naqi).

    These guys, with malice and forethought, tried to destroy the name of the Patriots franchise and damage the names and careers of Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady.

    The air in balls is about as relevant as stickum but the smear campaign will go down as one of sports great scandals if anyone cares to tell the real story.

  83. Someone on here said:

    “Patriots could very well be guilty of SOMETHING ”

    YES! They are, and it was recorded on National TV on SBXLIX.

    Seahawks with the ball at one yard line 4th quarter 40 seconds left on game clock – time out Seattle.
    Bill Belichik and Pete Carroll have a stare down and use Mental Telepathy to try and outsmart the other.

    However, this is a mismatch as Carroll is playing CHECKERS and Belichik is playing CHESS.

    Final Result – CHECK MATE – PATRIOTS WIN

  84. “@harrisonhits2, I know what you are saying and they should lose a pick if Indy had anything to do with it but do you get how stupid it is to think the NFL will give the pick to the Pats- that is the dumbest thing I have heard.”

    Except the league has in past instances awarded draft picks from one team to another. You may want to research NFL history before you call someone names.

  85. alexcobbold says:
    Feb 20, 2015 12:15 PM
    Everyone hear the crickets in Bristol, CT?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    When stuck in a hole. First action – Stop Digging.

    (second may be to get Grigson liquored up at the combine in hopes he will start talking again….)

  86. “@harrisonhits2, I know what you are saying and they should lose a pick if Indy had anything to do with it but do you get how stupid it is to think the NFL will give the pick to the Pats- that is the dumbest thing I have heard.”

    Except the league has in past instances awarded draft picks from one team to another. You may want to research NFL history before you call someone names.
    —————————————————————-

    When has the NFL punished a team by taking one of their draft picks and awarding it to another team?

    I can’t recall it ever happening.

  87. gregfalco15 – interesting post. Especially the part about Kraft and Goddell potentially being on the same side despite the public “beef.” At this point, your theory is as plausible as any other.

    As a Patriots fan, I’ve become more fascinated by this story than ever. It’s become more and more obvious that the Pats did nothing wrong, and the baskstabbing and posturing by the anti-Patriots forces as their story unravels is as hilarious as it is intriuging.

    The one part that I still don’t understand – if the Colts/Kensil/others weren’t *sure* that the Patriots were tampering with footballs and that they were going to be successful in their sting, what did they think would happen? That the Pats would just admit guilt anyway? These guys remind me of a poker player who goes all in under the gun on 88, just hoping that the other 9 players behind him either have a worse hand or don’t call.

  88. ring5for50 says: Feb 20, 2015 11:11 AM

    Chuck Pagano is in on this as well.
    At the NFL Combine yesterday he came out and said: “the accusation that the Colts deflated the football is absolutely ludicrous.”
    ________________________________

    The same Chuck Pagano who stated after the AFC Championship Game that he was unaware of any issues concerning footballs before or during the game? Whose GM just stated that the Colts contacted the league office before the game?

    You don’t believe everything he says?

  89. Grigson – “Hey Kensil, check those Patriots game balls on Sunday. OURS will be right where they should be!”….snicker snicker….

    Biased fraud and attempted entrapment couldn’t even win the Dolts a game.

    Go away, losers.

  90. chitown12 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 12:13 PM

    Kensil was the guy who checked the footballs at half time…not the refs. If he has it out for the Pats who is to say he didn’t deflate the balls. I hope Wells is using lie detector tests as part of the process and making available those who participate and those that don’t.
    _________________________________

    Very seldom do you use polygraphs in corporate investigations (which this essentially is). However a formerly trained and experienced interviewer/interrogator will get more than enough information to come to conclusions. Let’s hope Wells employed some.

  91. tigerlilac says: Feb 20, 2015 12:17 PM

    Mike, you still don’t want to link to Tom E Curran’s story that ties Kensil to Naqi…
    —————————————————–

    Exactly. It’s funny how former Jets employees keep coming up as prominent figures in all this. I’m a Browns fan, but I can’t believe how many bitter Pats haters there are out there.

  92. Phone Conversation-

    Grigson: Hey Mike, the Patriots…..

    Kensil: *drops phone* “Slowly I turn, step by step, inch by inch…..”

  93. Goodell is in HOT WATER as well in this.

    But here is how he can get himself out.

    Offer IMMUNITY to the individual(s) that will testify, under oath, who and/or what person(s) on the Colts leaked the air out of the intercepted football and/or who can give detailed info on who handled this ball exactly when, where & for how long.

    The Colts having in their possession the ONLY football under 2psi is where all the smoke is rising from. You know the saying………

  94. If the Patriots are proven to be innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt, where does America go from here?

    1) The irresponsible news media: Between this fiasco, Brian Williams and the rest of the known sensationalism that the media is famous for … should the news media be regulated somehow? Because at this point, it seems like they are just polluting the minds of millions of gullible people.

    2) Guilty before proven innocent: What will this teach us about jumping to conclusions on guilt based on flimsy accusations? Innocent until proven guilty is the biggest thing our justice system is based on. Because we all generally agree that it is the right way to live. But why not in this case?

    3) Patriots hate: What will happen with Hateriot Nation now? Will everybody start to tone it down a bit? Will people start to realize that everybody outside of NE has been raking the Patriots through the coals at any and every chance they get, and actually sympathize with them? Will they quickly become “America’s Team”?

    IMO, this whole thing will teach long lasting lessons that will be remembered for years to come.

  95. “This doesn’t mean the Patriots are innocent. ”

    ********************
    LOL!! Yeah, ok. Whatever.

    Go ahead and keep trying to make something stick to BB/TB. So far in this entire Deflategate “scandal” the crosshairs have continued to move AWAY from the Pats and TOWARDS everyone else.

    You’ve now got NFL officials being fired for stealing game balls that are supposed to go to charity. NFL officials giving unapproved game balls to a Pats employee to try to set him up by having him put the ball into the game.

    “BREAKING NEWS!!!” of alleged videos of a ball boy heading in to take a 90 second tinkle, followed by days of pseudo-journalist-scientists conducting their own “experiments” to confirm that yes indeed, one can in fact deflate 11 of 12 footballs inside a men’s bathroom stall in 90 seconds or less. Fascinating stuff! Truly!!!

    We’ve now got the Colts GM completely and utterly contradicting the NFL’s official position that they were not alerted to potentially deflated balls before the game.

    Leaks after leaks after leaks. And then contradicting leak after leak after leak. Goodell not only has zero credibility when it comes to chain-of-custody of game balls but he also has zero control over his inner circle.

  96. There is no place in the NFL office for officials like Kensil who have vendettas against specific teams. Grigson for his part also has an axe to grind with Pats being on the staffs of both the Eagles and Rams the year the Pats beat them in the SB. This does not look good for the NFL. A employee seems to be going out on his own..

  97. If Kensil is ever in the news, say, a few years from now, the media will refer to him as “disgraced former NFL employee Mike Kensil”.

    Just a guess.

  98. I have to believe there are a lot of good people in the NFL; in ownership, administration, coaches, and players that are really going to be disgusted by what Pagano, Grigson, and Kensil did because it targeted people they respect (Kraft, Belichick, and Brady).

    Boomer Esiason was one of the first to speak out publicly, and you could see how much the attacks on Brady bothered him. There was none of the false outrage in Boomer that we saw from so many of the guys that said they were hurt to see balls deflated.

    It doesn’t get much lower than a premeditated smear campaign.

  99. billswillnevermove says: Patriots: Culture of cheating since 2001. Deal with it.
    ———————————————-

    It’s really tough not to feel superior to other NFL fans when they, time and time again, demonstrate that they HAVE NO IDEA what the issues relevant to Spygate were

    Either that or they don’t know what the term “retracted” means

    OR they somehow believe that the Patriots (and all other teams) should have followed rules in 2001 that DID NOT EXIST UNTIL 2006

    Pick your poison illogical Patriots-haters

    But you really can’t argue with logic or the facts

  100. “When has the NFL punished a team by taking one of their draft picks and awarding it to another team?”

    They typically do that in tampering cases. The most famous was Baltimore being awarded the Fins 1st round pick years ago after they tampered with Shula to steal him away to coach the Dolphins while he was still under contract to Baltimore.

    I believe there have a few other instances of this, but with lower round picks being awarded over the years.

  101. “Mike, you still don’t want to link to Tom E Curran’s story that ties Kensil to Naqi…”

    Nor have they mentioned once Bob Kravitz’ apology about his delfategate claims.

  102. @harrisonhits2, I know what you are saying and they should lose a pick if Indy had anything to do with it but do you get how stupid it is to think the NFL will give the pick to the Pats- that is the dumbest thing I have heard.
    ===
    It’s like tampering. In cases where tampering is found, the tamperers end up giving a pick to the tamperees. Heck… BB came to the Pats for a couple of high draft picks because NEP wanted to avoid tampering charges.

  103. I have read NFL Rule 17 over and over again and I cannot find, anywhere, where it states that the Home Team CANNOT Deflate the chances of the Visiting Team from making it to the Super Bowl.

    DISCUSS

  104. When has the NFL punished a team by taking one of their draft picks and awarding it to another team?

    I can’t recall it ever happening.
    ===
    Lions and Chiefs had a case a few years ago where the Lions were initially found to have tampered, but then it was overturned on appeal. The penalty was an exchange of draft picks.

    Exchanging or transferring picks is the penalty for tampering.

  105. dave399 says:Feb 20, 2015 1:10 PM

    Interesting how the news media demands integrity from everyone … but themselves.

    ___________________________

    In many respects I agree, however, I think it is fair to say that powerful NFL sources, who typically would reasonably be considered valid sources, are lying to reporters to promote their own interests. I think that is a far more interesting story than media integrity. I believe that is why it was reported yesterday that ESPN sent out an internal alert to pause coverage on the topic. Historically good sources are lying.

  106. I’m confused as to why non-patriot fans and the media alike were condemning the Patriots with that low burden of proof BS but as soon as it becomes clear they are innocent that line of thinking is dropped.

    Screw patriot hate or love, how about some consistency in your witch hunts? The same low burden of proof applies to Kensil, Grigson, and Harbough.

    How quickly we forgot that the Patriots were completely condemned by everyone based on one report from an anonymous source.

    “Opposite direction, same intensity”

  107. What if the colts submitted the deflated football claim because Harbaugh and Pagano were pissed about the trick plays. It would be easy enough just to do it to mess with the Patriots with no merit. If that’s not true then why didn’t the Colts launch a complaint after the regular season game.

  108. About those Super Bowls tainted because of Spygate

    Pats Beat Eagles in 2004 SB 24-21

    previous games between them during Belichick Era

    2004 last game of preseason – Patriots won 24-6
    2003 regular season – Patriots won 31-10
    2003 preseason – Patriots won 24-12
    2002 preseason – Patriots won 16-15

    so is the argument that the Patriots won the Super Bowl because the Patriots illegally taped signals from 3 preseason games and one regular season thrashing of the Eagles……which of course would have to assume that the Eagles didn’t change their signals?

  109. I’ll give you a pass on that 2004 SB win over Philly.

    Instead let’s take a look at the 2003 SB win over the Panthers 32-29

    Games between the 2 teams during Belichick Era:

    2002 Preseason Patriots won 23-3
    2001 Regular season Patriots won 38-6
    2001 preseason Patriots won 23-8
    2000 preseason Patriots won 29-21

    so, from which of those games do you think the Patriots got illegally taped signals that helped them win the SB? be careful……after that 38-6 beatdown by the Patriots in 2001, the Panthers fired their head coach.

    Which leaves you with 2 arguments:
    1. Panthers used the same signals from a preseason game (the previous year) in the SB, or
    2. Panthers used the same signals as the previous coaching staff did, regardless of getting totally trashed on the field

  110. What hasn’t been discussed, and should be, is whether the Colts & Ravens complaints to the NFL regarding the Patriots deflated balls were completely ignored? That would explain why an individual League guy might take it upon himself to PROVE that Baby Brady, Belicheat & the Cheater Patriots enjoy preferential treatment from the highest ranks of the NFL!

    Patriots are Cheaters…plain, simple, undeniable!

  111. Funny- I can’t find one instance of a team being awarded another teams draft picks. And I didn’t call anyone names. Guess you will have to wow me with the details of these supposed other times it has happened.

  112. “I have to believe there are a lot of good people in the NFL; in ownership, administration, coaches, and players that are really going to be disgusted by what Pagano, Grigson, and Kensil did because it targeted people they respect (Kraft, Belichick, and Brady).”

    The guy that could legitimately break this story wide open is John Harbaugh. I suspect he fed the idea of low psi balls (he probably taxed his squash for awhile after looking like a fool on the substitutions and that’s the best he could come up with) to Pagano to use during the AFCCG to just throw Brady off his game, not realizing that Pagano, Grigson, and Kensil would run with it as a sting and a smear campaign.

    Now he is caught up in denials because who would want to be tied to this mess. If Harbaugh owned up to his part, apologized, admitted it was childish, and honestly said he never had any idea it would go this far he would probably come out looking fine and the house of cards would collapse.

  113. There is one indisputable fact to be taken from this fiasco: I would not want to be a Pats opponent in the coming season.

  114. chinahand11 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 10:55 AM
    Pathetic sting operation that failed. The Colts handled the evidence and presented the evidence. You know, like the cops do, excepting the police never taint the evidence, right? Anyway, they jeopardized the integrity of the AFC championship game with this little show that didn’t work. Pathetic. Again.

    ————————

    As punishment the NFL should move the Colts back into the AFC East so that BB and the Patriots can pummel them twice each season for eternity.

  115. If the NFL has been investigating this for over a month now and haven’t found anything except one of their own being sneaky, then what evidence did Grigson have to accuse the Patriots in the first place. All this has done is put a cloud of doubt over the Pats for no reason and also shows ESPNs lousy investigation techniques.

  116. bullcharger says:
    Feb 20, 2015 1:45 PM
    mikeoxwells says:
    Feb 20, 2015 12:22 PM
    ASTERISC NUMBER FOUR!

    ————

    PATRIOTS NUMBER ONE!

    You mean: PATRIOTS NUMBER ONE*

  117. There should have been a “sting operation.” Obviously!
    Caught cheating once, no fumbles like other clubs…it ain’t rocket science.

  118. Interesting how the news media demands integrity from everyone … but themselves.

    ___________________________

    In many respects I agree, however, I think it is fair to say that powerful NFL sources, who typically would reasonably be considered valid sources, are lying to reporters to promote their own interests. I think that is a far more interesting story than media integrity. I believe that is why it was reported yesterday that ESPN sent out an internal alert to pause coverage on the topic. Historically good sources are lying.

    ___________________________

    But the news media still DID jump to conclusions based on nothing but leaks. They also understand the power of their words and the way it seals opinions of the readers. When something is reported, “Under the condition of anonymity”, that should be a red flag right there.

    They need to be more careful.

  119. You’re so right Dave. NE reporter writes that Kensil has bias against NE and everyone takes it as fact. It is total bs. I’ve been involved with the Jets for more than 40 years, but no one is fact checking on this story. Its really pathetic but that’s the new media. Just ask Florio….
    Also, this investigation is not so much about the Championship game, but an 8-10 year pattern of cheating for all NE home games. Hang on people, there’s MUCH more to come. And NE homies are not going to like it.

  120. rrickjordan says:
    Feb 20, 2015 1:36 PM
    Funny- I can’t find one instance of a team being awarded another teams draft picks. And I didn’t call anyone names. Guess you will have to wow me with the details of these supposed other times it has happened.

    There have actually been multiple factual instances of that occurring already described in this thread prior to your post. Although none of those instance involve one team trying to frame another team for wrongdoing, they are tied to Coach tampering.

    The Colts may have entered new territory here, we will just have to wait for Wells report. Either way I am sure that Tony Dungy and Bill Polian are proud of Grigson who, at the very least, is carrying on their Colts tradition of ‘If you can’t beat them, whine to the league and competition committee about them.’

  121. I still don’t understand how the Patriots could have possible tampered with footballs that had been inspected by the refs because they are in the possession of Colts employees from that point forward. I think that claim is bogus unless the refs were allowing the balls into the game on the pretense that the NFL wants QB’s to play at a high level, and have the balls just the way they like them. That’s an NFL issue not a Patriots issue.

    Maybe the guy that got fired is just a scape goat here, and Kensil was trying to get an under inflated ball into the game so he could blame the Patriots?

  122. whitetrash69 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 10:47 AM

    So what you are saying is the Pats cheated in previous games, teams made complaints, and the NFL ignored those complaints. How does this implicate any wrongdoing by the Colts? It doesn’t…
    _______________________________

    Actually that is not what anyone is saying. Grigson said he expressed a concern over the Pats footballs. He did not say why, but it’s very likely because some Ravens players complained about K balls not going as far as they usually do (in 5 degree weather, imagine that!).

    The league may simply have to the refs to be aware of the possibility. Let’s face it, kicking balls not going as far as usual in single digit temps doesn’t warrant a sting operation.

    The only thing you said that makes any sense was your question about how this implicate the Colts. And it doesn’t. It implicates Kensil. But based on other leaks (which we have no way of knowing the legitimacy of) there is reason to investigate the Colts role in all of this.

    Personally, I don’t think the Colts were. I think Kensil reported a concern based on what he heard Ravens players say about the K balls and suspect that Kensil saw an opportunity to go after his long time nemesis and launch a power struggle against Goodel.

    Where it blew up on Kensil is when Goodel brought in Ted Well instead of having NFL Security handle it as Kensil likely thought would happen (and likely has tight connections with).

    But I will freely admit that I am only speculating. We could something in the coming days/weeks that makes me change my thoughts on this since we really have very few facts at this point.

  123. rrickjordan says:
    Feb 20, 2015 1:36 PM

    Funny- I can’t find one instance of a team being awarded another teams draft picks. And I didn’t call anyone names. Guess you will have to wow me with the details of these supposed other times it has happened.

    ——–

    Okay, I’ll do it for you. In the Nov. 9, 1970 issue of Sports Illustrated, Jack Olsen’s article titled “The Rosenbloom-Robbie Bowl” noted that after the 1969 season, Joe Robbie signed Don Shula to be coach of the Miami Dolphins. As a result of Shula’s signing the team was charged with tampering by the NFL, which forced the Dolphins to give their first round pick to the Colts.

    One could consider Shula one of the founding fathers of cheating in the NFL.

  124. I can’t imagine the league will want this to break down into a revelation that it’s own employees were trying to frame one of it’s franchises. It’s highly likely they will look for a way to end this without controversy. Unfortunately that will leave many still blaming the Patriots when it sounds like they weren’t doing anything unusual, and actually were trying to play by the rules by alerting officials of unchecked balls being introduced into the game.

    Many years ago in a game between the Celtics and the Atlanta Hawks, a brawl broke out, and a 7 footer named Tree Rollins bit Danny Ainge on the hand. Ainge wasn’t very popular with the general public, and the Celtics were very successful and thus also not popular with the general public outside their fan base. Someone got it backwards and said Ainge had bitten Tree Rollins and that story stuck forever. It’s what the fans wanted to believe, but it was Rollins that did the biting. That’s how these things go when you have a highly successful team involved and a lot of fans that want to see them brought down.

  125. Its painfully obvious the Patriots cheated and Goodell refused to stop them. Fire Goodell and give Belicheat and Brady lifetime bans from the nfl, including the hof.

  126. Follow the trail all the way back to a very angry Harbaugh, who was brought down several rungs by Tom Brady. This wasn’t too much about Belichick, it was a smear campaign against Brady.

  127. The Colts pinned the ball after Jackson intercepted it. My god! It isn’t that hard to figure out people!

  128. Kensil’s personal animus for Belichick is well known. If this all plays out as accurate, Kensil needs to be fired immediately, if not sooner.

    Again, IF this is the way it was set up, in an effort to trap Belichick and the Patriots, he was also potentially screwing over the Colts for allowing the allegedly underinflated balls to be used in the first half of the AFC title game.

    If I were a Colts fan, I would be as outraged as Patriots fans.

  129. whitetrash69 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 2:29 PM

    Its painfully obvious the Patriots cheated and Goodell refused to stop them. Fire Goodell and give Belicheat and Brady lifetime bans from the nfl, including the hof.
    __________________________________

    You might want to go read Florio’s last paragraph again. And if you think anything is “painfully obvious” about this situation you clearly have an agenda favoring one side or the other.

    One thing we currently have an abundant lacking of is facts.

  130. ““I’ve been involved with the Jets for more than 40 years”

    ——————–

    In what capacity?”

    ——————–

    He is Fireman Ed. ROFL

  131. Its painfully obvious the Patriots cheated and Goodell refused to stop them. Fire Goodell and give Belicheat and Brady lifetime bans from the nfl, including the hof.


    Nah, I think the league should just fold all 31 teams who clearly don’t belong on the same field as the World Champions.

    Why are we watching them try and fail again and again to compete with the NFL’s greatest dynasty?

    Yes it’s long past time for 31 new teams in new cities to get a shot. Enough is enough. Fold them now. As an intelligent football fan I demand that I don’t have to witness inferiority to the World Champions any longer. Bring on some REAL competition.

  132. Ed Desautels says:
    Feb 20, 2015 2:40 PM

    The Colts pinned the ball after Jackson intercepted it. My god! It isn’t that hard to figure out people!
    ________________________________
    If the intercepted ball was the only one significantly below standard then this has to be considered. But at this point in time it’s not a given as we’ve heard conflicting reports about what the halftime psi’s were. We don’t even know if those readings were logged.

    About the only thing I’m willing to bank on at this point is that Kensil is either incompetent or corrupt.

  133. Mike Kensil’s bias against the Patriots, and the underlying belief that they are guilty, colors the entire process from that AFCCG.

    Ryan Grigson’s concern should have been met with a presumption of innocence – that the balls were deflated unintentionally (and maybe discovered later that it was from how they prepare the footballs ahead of time – or if it were a natural occurrence due to weather/atmospheric conditions.)

    If Kensil were neutral, he simply could have informed the Patriots that the balls would be scrutinized more fully before and during the game.

    But Kensil was out to catch them red-handed. He assumed if the balls were found to be deflated, it would have been done intentionally. He put the “integrity of the game” at risk, at least in the first half, by waiting until he thought he had a smoking gun – the unfortunate timing of Patriots ball attendant Jim McNally handing off an unauthorized ball to a sideline official.

  134. lanman11 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 2:28 PM

    I can’t imagine the league will want this to break down into a revelation that it’s own employees were trying to frame one of it’s franchises. It’s highly likely they will look for a way to end this without controversy. Unfortunately that will leave many still blaming the Patriots when it sounds like they weren’t doing anything unusual, and actually were trying to play by the rules by alerting officials of unchecked balls being introduced into the game.
    _____________________________

    If we don’t see the Wells report before the Owners’ Meetings in March then you’ll know they needed to find a way to avoid spilling their guts about the corruption in the NFL Front Offices.

  135. tigerlilac says:
    Feb 20, 2015 2:23 PM
    ——————————————————

    “I’ve been involved with the Jets for more than 40 years”

    In what capacity?
    ——————————————————-

    You should’ve just asked what section he sells peanuts in.

  136. Just out of interest, something I’ve never been able to work out.

    If the Pats are the perennial cheaters who can’t help themselves but cheat, like Crush22, hakunamangata and billswillnevermove to name but a few would have us believe, then why did they not cheat on the salary cap like Dallas and Washington did in the uncapped 2010 season?

    I mean, surely an undeniable cheater by nature would have jumped at this golden chance of bending the rules to improve their chances of winning, right?

    An uncapped year and a chance to dump player salaries. This would, surely, have been red rag to a bull for an organization that apparently does nothing but cheat, right?

    So how come they never did it?

    As Kat Williams would say, I can wait……

  137. ““I’ve been involved with the Jets for more than 40 years”

    ——————–

    In what capacity?”

    ——————–

    disgruntled fan (joined the bandwagon January 13, 1969)

  138. dlk47823 says: Feb 20, 2015 2:14 PM

    You’re so right Dave. NE reporter writes that Kensil has bias against NE and everyone takes it as fact. It is total bs. I’ve been involved with the Jets for more than 40 years, but no one is fact checking on this story. Its really pathetic but that’s the new media. Just ask Florio….
    Also, this investigation is not so much about the Championship game, but an 8-10 year pattern of cheating for all NE home games. Hang on people, there’s MUCH more to come. And NE homies are not going to like it.


    Sadly….wishful thinking just does not make it so. 🙂

  139. If we don’t see the Wells report before the Owners’ Meetings in March then you’ll know they needed to find a way to avoid spilling their guts about the corruption in the NFL Front Offices.

    —-

    If you believe the rumors then it seems Mr. Wells is wrapping up his investigation soon. Without talking to Belichick or Brady.

    Seems like this is not going to end well for Patriot haters. 🙂

  140. “I was the lockeroom attendant………….”

    If that is true, we don’t need your name because you are not a public figure, so just flat out what “facts” do you have and please be specific?

  141. Really. First it weather conditions, Then it was Jerry Rice and the attempt to justify cheating. Then it was the NFL can’t keep track of the footballs (even when the patriots can and did). Now it’s a conspiracy to entrap. I mean, what next alien football abduction. Give me a break, if there were 11 of 12 balls were deflated, it’s not that hard to figure out.

  142. rrickjordan says:
    Feb 20, 2015 12:04 PM
    “…… that is the dumbest thing I have heard.”

    ===============================
    You haven’t been reading the comments from the habitual trolls?

  143. A juicy nugget for those who think the Ravens are somehow involved with this:

    Brady and BB have not been interviewed yet by Wells, for his report that rumors say is to be wrapped up soon.

    But several Ravens HAVE BEEN.

    #HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
    #INTERESTING

  144. which event had a higher likelihood of fitting into the allotted time frame:

    1. going into a bathroom, locking door, taking 11 footballs out of a bag, letting air out, putting them back in a bag, and leave the room, in 98 seconds

    2. letting out air from one football on the sideline, in 22 minutes

  145. @dave339

    I believe that is why it was reported yesterday that ESPN sent out an internal alert to pause coverage on the topic.
    __________________________________

    ESPN is simply a puppet to the Leagues. They do as they are directed because it translates to $$$. The NFL is all-in on a DeflateGate Full Court Press defensive strategy to debunk & kill this story ASAP! They don’t want a “Cheaters won the Super Bowl” headline so this will be brushed under the rug by Godhell. But, fans don’t forget. We all know the truth…regardless if New England fans care to admit it. They know also…they just aren’t concerned with concepts like the integrity & fair play of the game (which is absolutely Sad). If my team was caught doing half the things the Patriots are guilty of, I would not be their fan. But hey, that’s your conscience, not mine.

    Patriots are Cheaters…plain, simple, undeniable!

  146. As a Patriots fan can we please stop talking about the Colts giving the Patriots a draft pick if found guilty. That may seem like poetic justice but it is certainly not fair to the rest of the teams in the league who have done nothing wrong.

    That said I so want to see this report when it comes out some people will be quivering with delight others will be just quivering!!!

  147. Look at the sad haters. Could it be any more obvious that their tears are rolling down their cheeks as they vent their frustrations on this board?

    I can’t blame them. It really has been an emotional roller coaster, especially with the Got em! No we don’t! path of this story and especially the Super Bowl ending the way it did. That was a bitter, bitter pill to swallow.

    Of course we fans of the World Champions wouldn’t know that feeling because we cheer for the top dogs, not a bunch of LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZERS who can’t compete with them.

    🙂

  148. I once worked in a place where I was continually defending upper management. My defense: We’re not evil, just stupid. I could have been talking about the NFL.

  149. the NFL went to the K-ball system, where footballs are delivered directly to the game officials and they are not opened from the original packaging until 10 minutes before the game, due to rampant cheating.

    As fans of this league, the NFL owes us full disclosure of all the cheaters ever involved so we can put an asterisk next to anything those teams & kickers achieved.

  150. neilpountney says: Feb 20, 2015 3:53 PM

    As a Patriots fan can we please stop talking about the Colts giving the Patriots a draft pick if found guilty. That may seem like poetic justice but it is certainly not fair to the rest of the teams in the league who have done nothing wrong.

    —-
    How so?

    It would have no impact on any other teams, it’s not like the Patriots are getting an extra sandwich pick.

    If a team is found complicit in a conspiracy to frame another team, then sending their draft pick to the victimized team would be a light and easy punishment compared to what they ought to get. No need to apologize for it.

  151. When you look at the number of franchises that haven’t even had a sniff of the Super Bowl while the Patriots were going to six and winning four, you wonder why there aren’t even more haters. Hard to admit that success is possible when you team has been failing since you were in diapers.

  152. I’m glad I’m not a Patriots fan. It must be tough constantly making up rationalizations for their cheating and knowing deep down in my heart that my beloved dynasty is nationally recognized as fraudulent. God bless you people, I don’t know how you do it.

  153. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Feb 20, 2015 4:01 PM

    the NFL went to the K-ball system, where footballs are delivered directly to the game officials and they are not opened from the original packaging until 10 minutes before the game, due to rampant cheating.

    As fans of this league, the NFL owes us full disclosure of all the cheaters ever involved so we can put an asterisk next to anything those teams & kickers achieved.

    ——-
    I like the thought but I wouldn’t hold my breath for it. A lot of QB’s already said they prefer their footballs a certain way and since this league loves offense numbers and stats, I wouldn’t expect the league to do anything to get in the way of OFFENSE~! and make defense look good.

    Because we can’t have that can we.

  154. I’m glad I’m not a Patriots fan. It must be tough constantly making up rationalizations for their cheating and knowing deep down in my heart that my beloved dynasty is nationally recognized as fraudulent. God bless you people, I don’t know how you do it.

    —-
    I AM GLAD I’M NOT A FAN OF A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO CAN’T COMPETE WITH THE NFL’S GREATEST DYNASTY, THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME AND THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME.

    YOUR TEAM SHOULD JUST FOLD SO THEY STOP STEALING MONEY FROM THEIR FANS. THERE IS REALLY NO POINT CONTINUING WITH THE FARCE THAT THEY BELONG ON THE SAME FIELD AS THE WORLD CHAMPIONS.

    🙂

  155. I wonder what the NFL’s Greatest Dynasty, 4 time Super Bowl champions and 8 time AFC Champions are doing today? 🙂

    Do you think they are polishing those 4 Lombardi trophies? I bet they are. It really is important to keep them shiny you know.

    Discuss.

  156. whitetrash69 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 4:05 PM

    I’m glad I’m not a Patriots fan. It must be tough constantly making up rationalizations for their cheating and knowing deep down in my heart that my beloved dynasty is nationally recognized as fraudulent. God bless you people, I don’t know how you do it.

    —————

    It’s really not that tough. First, we realize that we have been very fortunate to be fans of a team that year after year has a real chance to win it all. Our team has been in 8 AFC Championship games in in a span of 13 years, winning 6 of them. 6 Super Bowl appearances in a span of 13 years, and won 4 of them. Our team was one play away from a perfect season. Yeah, we weren’t happy that they lost some of those games, but we were able to cheer our team during the biggest of games, not someone else’s. We do realize we can’t win them all, but you won’t hear us say that often because more often than not, we win.

    Of course with all that winning there is a burden to carry….and that is having to put up with people like you that will do anything or say anything in an attempt to discredit the incredible success of the Patriots. However it is a burden we are willing to carry, and carry proudly.

    Lets face it, we like to bash fans of losers because……they’re fans of losers.

  157. ring5for50 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 10:15 AM
    The fingers of LOGIC, SCIENCE and JUSTICE now point to the Colts as the main suspect.
    Why did it take Well$ this long to milk the cow???
    ~~~~~~~
    Billable hours. He milks mundane tasks and talks to people nobody in their right mind would think they could possibly be involved because it takes a lot of time. Reasonable investigators would have wrapped this up in about 3 days.

  158. dumbaseinstien says: Feb 20, 2015 3:44 PM

    If my team was caught doing half the things the Patriots are guilty of, I would not be their fan. But hey, that’s your conscience, not mine.

    Patriots are Cheaters…plain, simple, undeniable!

    This guy really needs a new Troll catch phrase, this one is tired out. And until you say which Mother Theresa franchise you root for your opinion means nothing.

  159. dlk47823 says:
    It is total bs. I’ve been involved with the Jets for more than 40 years
    ———————————————————
    You lose all credibility right there.

  160. There are very few enterprises in the world that could be this badly managed without some action taken against the CEO. JP Morgan comes to mind, but that’s about it.

    —————————————————

    Thing is, the NFL is not really ONE organization, is it? (no matter what anti-trust regs they want us to believe)

    it is 32 different entities, all pulling in a different direction, all making money hand over fist, all owned by big monied egos and all looking for an edge.

    Quite a group…

  161. When has the NFL punished a team by taking one of their draft picks and awarding it to another team?

    I can’t recall it ever happening.
    __________________________________
    __________________________________

    1971 – Baltimore got Dolphins 1st round for tampering with Shula …

  162. I might be jealous of the Patriots if my team didn’t have more super bowl victories and a well respected dynasty. On second thought, even if my team wasn’t superior to the Patriots I probably wouldn’t be jealous of their tainted legacy.

  163. whitetrash69 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 4:48 PM

    I might be jealous of the Patriots if my team didn’t have more super bowl victories and a well respected dynasty. On second thought, even if my team wasn’t superior to the Patriots I probably wouldn’t be jealous of their tainted legacy.

    ———-

    you don’t seem very content…..I suspect what you think of your team is not what everyone else thinks about your team, and you know it. So you sling mud to bring others down and hope it props your team up.

    whatever is bothering you, it’s not what you think it is. and that is quite obvious.

  164. Funny- I can’t find one instance of a team being awarded another teams draft picks. And I didn’t call anyone names. Guess you will have to wow me with the details of these supposed other times it has happened.
    ===
    Why don’t you just use Google? That’s all I did, and it spit out numerous examples of teams exchanging or transferring picks for tampering.

  165. Did any of you catch the film clip of John Harbaugh telling the official, “I am NOT the biggest cry baby, don’t you….”

    It is hysterically funny.

  166. Give me a break, if there were 11 of 12 balls were deflated, it’s not that hard to figure out.
    ===
    No, it’s not. It was cold and the balls were inflated while warm.

    The end.

  167. whitetrash69 says: Feb 20, 2015 4:48 PM

    I might be jealous of the Patriots if my team didn’t have more super bowl victories and a well respected dynasty. On second thought, even if my team wasn’t superior to the Patriots I probably wouldn’t be jealous of their tainted legacy.

    —-

    Steeler fan huh? Oh the irony… to think a Steeler* fan is wagging their finger at the World Champion Patriots and their fans about tainted dynasties.

    How delicious is THAT?

    No son. You will get no respect from us for your dynasty as it is one of the dirtiest in the history of sports. We do not acknowledge any of your 6* titles as none are legit. 4 by cheating with illegal PEDs and 2 from paying off the refs. Nope… can’t do it..

    Win a legit title first then compare yourselves to the measuring stick of the World Champion Patriots. Not before.

  168. Lets face it, we like to bash fans of losers because……they’re fans of losers.

    ——-
    Or in some teams cases, 0 legit Super Bowl titles (4 by cheating, 2 by paid off refs) and no playoff wins since their team doctor was indicted with 181 counts of intent to distribute illegal PEDs. That includes an embarrassing loss to Tim Tebow.

    I think that team and their fans would count as a “loser” wouldn’t you say?

    #yep
    #withoutadoubt
    #truthhurts
    #factsarefacts

  169. The question comes up ‘Why were not the colts footballs underinflated?’

    This is not rocket science here !!!

    HINT: apply some LOGIC

    Since Kensil, Grigson & the Colts knew that Brady liked his footballs at the League MNIMUM of 12.5 psi and the STING went into effect/began on Nov 16th 2014 ( This is not conjectural but FACT ) the Colts had their footballs inflated to 13.5 psi or perhaps even higher to compensate for loss of air pressure due to drop in temps, rain & wind.

    Thus, we are left with the FACT that Colts footballs remain within league specs above 12.5psi AND Patriots footballs are FACTUAL & SCIENTIFICALLY below league specs since they started at the MINIMUM of 12.5psi in a WARM TEMP INFALTION SETTING.

    NO BRAINER People – I mean come on now.

    Kensil and the Colts MAGICALLY have the ONLY football at 2psi under ???

    LOGIC says: Colts – You are BUSTED !!!

  170. whitetrash69 says: Feb 20, 2015 5:53 PM

    Who said I was a Steelers fan? I certainly didn’t. Typical Pats fan, try to call every other team out when your team is the only one people call cheaters.


    Your embarrassment of being publicly associated to a team with 0 legit titles and who can’t even beat Tim Tebow once the cheating stopped is perfectly understandable. I’d be embarrassed too if I was a Steeler fan. Thank goodness I’m not. I’d rather cheer for a team that can and do win without cheating or paid off refs.

    I can’t WAIT till you clowns come to Foxboro this year. Maybe this time the World Champions will actually be trying and put up 90 on your limp wristed soft team instead of a measly 55.

  171. Search engines are fun aren’t they? 🙂

    Poor poor Steeler fan. You must be so angry that we do not acknowledge the fraud that you call a dynasty*. You must be livid that the World Champion Patriots pound you into submission almost evey time. You must be embarrassed that your QB is an injury embellishing diva who laughably gets called “tough” when intelligent fans know better.

    Now tell us about it. Share your rage. Post something angry! 🙂

  172. lolatpatshaters says:
    Feb 20, 2015 4:02 PM

    “If a team is found complicit in a conspiracy to frame another team, then sending their draft pick to the victimized team would be a light and easy punishment compared to what they ought to get. No need to apologize for it.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT

    If Goodell wants to demonstrate Integrity in the NFL he should come down HARDER on the Colts then what he did to the PATRIOTS in 2007.

  173. whitetrash69 says:
    Feb 20, 2015 5:53 PM
    Who said I was a Steelers fan? I certainly didn’t. Typical Pats fan, try to call every other team out when your team is the only one people call cheaters.

    ————–

    Typical Patriots hater, try to be hateful when your team didn’t win the Super Bowl.

  174. I’m not saying Goodell is a saint. Far from.
    But… if Kensil wanted to run this sting by himself… and he didn’t notify refs to measure balls ahead of time…

    then he sure as heck ain’t telling his boss that he’s black op’ing the Pats.

    Lean on Bob Kravitz. He broke the story. What information was he given?

  175. In profootball’s story yesterday, Grigson stated there were concerns over the Patriots footballs from the previous week.

    Well… the Colts didn’ t play the Patriots the previous week. The Ravens did.

    So the Ravens shared this information? Is that why Harbaugh came out immediately and said he noticed nothing wrong with balls?

    Please nail the Colts, NFL. ANd Please nail the Ravens. I want to send Kravitz messages until the day I die reminding him why writing for a third rate team that can’t execute never turns out well.

  176. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT

    If Goodell wants to demonstrate Integrity in the NFL he should come down HARDER on the Colts then what he did to the PATRIOTS in 2007.

    ————-

    No question about it. That kind of stuff CANNOT be tolerated.

    Personally would forget about draft picks as punishment. I think an NCAA style death penalty would be a far more effective deterrent for this kind of thing. If that hammer comes down on one team… you will NEVER see a team try to frame another one ever again. Period.

  177. Yummy! Cheater tears are magically delicious! Keep crying pal, your team will always been known for cheating and nobody else’s.

    —-
    Oh but we are not crying. Just the opposite my good friend. We fans of the World Champions smile every time we see those 4 shiny Lombardi trophies. What is there to cry about being on top of the mountain. We smile at all the inferior fans of inferior teams because we can. And it feels GREAT!

    And all legit titles of course… unlike your Steelers. Deep down that must really burn you up. You know what I’m saying is not trash talk but it is the truth.

    Now come on, get angry! Let that rage come right out! Post something mad 🙂

  178. Dear Mr. Harbaugh-

    When the cameras zoomed in on your chocked mug after the Pats schooled you with formations, and double passes….

    it was almost like you plotting to get even, rather than let the moment go and try and coach the game.

    Your team didn’t only lose because they weren’t better. They lost…. because you melted down, and they followed suit.

  179. ESPN should be banned from reporting anything about the Patriots per order of the NFL,
    unless it goes through Mike Reiss.

    meanwhile, he should be so distraught over their approach, he should look for another job.

  180. Please nail the Ravens

    Wells has already talked to some of the Ravens.

    He has not talked to Belichick or Brady.

    And if rumors are correct he will be wrapping up his report very soon.

    You do the math.

    🙂

  181. When I think of the World Champion Patriots and the 31 inferior teams it’s like… a big muscular Great Dane gazing down at 31 little chihuahuas and pomeranians yipping and yapping around him.

    Enough for the Dane to be amused but in the end…considered irrelevant.

    🙂

  182. People call it a sting operation. But seriously, so you’re going to warn a team, “Hey, we think you’ve been cheating all this time. Don’t cheat this game because we’re going to check to see if your cheating.” Yeah, REALLY dumb folks!!!

  183. This was a military-style ambush from start to finish… a coup d’etat with Mike Kensil waiting in the wings.

  184. bostoncoltsfan says:
    Feb 20, 2015 7:13 PM
    People call it a sting operation. But seriously, so you’re going to warn a team, “Hey, we think you’ve been cheating all this time. Don’t cheat this game because we’re going to check to see if your cheating.” Yeah, REALLY dumb folks!!!

    ————-
    Um… I don’t know about you but I don’t think it’s that dumb for the league to do whatever it takes to ensure that a conference championship game is not tainted by illegal footballs at any time…which is the opposite of what a sting operation would do if said team is in fact using illegal footballs.

  185. People call it a sting operation. But seriously, so you’re going to warn a team, “Hey, we think you’ve been cheating all this time. Don’t cheat this game because we’re going to check to see if your cheating.” Yeah, REALLY dumb folks!!!
    ===
    What’s more important in the second or third most important game of the year? An attempt to catch someone redhanded (that is rendered futile by your own incompetence) or simply preventing any illegal activity before it starts?

    This would be like worrying about Brett’s pine tar if that game had been Game Five of a 2-2 World Series.

  186. Remember when the Raiders used to put helium in the balls Ray Guy used so the ball would go higher. No wonder the Raiders had such good punt coverage!

    Surfin’ the World

  187. Ignore the moot crap. Focus on the relevant and incontrovertible:

    1) 24 balls were properly inflated two hours before the game and initialed by referee.

    2) Video Tape shows Pats Person-of-Interest takes the balls into the bathroom for 98 seconds.

    3) Three hours later, all of the Colts balls are still properly inflated. 11 of the 12 Pats balls are under-inflated.

    4) Brady prefers under-inflated balls.

    Facts. Video Tape. Opportunity. Motive. Proof. Case Closed.

    His Judgment cometh, and that right soon. First round draft pick and $1,000,000. Pats will agree to accept punishment without protest but Pats won’t be forced to admit to any deliberate wrongdoing. Gavel hit. Next case.

  188. Why are we talking to Colts and Ravens? Are we saying that that it is more likely that the Ravens officials deflated the balls after they were cleared by the refs, than it is likely that the Patriot balls boys deflated the balls?

    All a smoke screen….NFL doesn’t want to find the real evidence, they want to create confusion by throwing in Ravens and Colts just so Patriot fans can indict them on the grassy knoll in Dallas, instead of interviewing the Patriot ball boy.

  189. dougy1970 says: Ignore the moot crap. Focus on the relevant and incontrovertible:

    3) Three hours later, all of the Colts balls are still properly inflated. 11 of the 12 Pats balls are under-inflated.

    Facts. Video Tape. Opportunity. Motive. Proof. Case Closed.

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    I think these terms “facts” and “incontrovertible” don’t mean what you think they mean.

    You’ve clearly missed the stories that the NFL has confirmed 11 of 12 balls WERE NOT under-inflated beyond what normal temperature change would cause.

    So only ONE ball was under-inflated. And it just so happens to be the one (wait for it…) that was in the Colts and then Kensil’s possession.

    The fact that the ONLY ball was the one NOT in the Patriots possession should be suspicious to anyone who isn’t jealous of the Patriots success like the Colts and Kensil clearly are.

    Sorry to burst that very opinionated bubble, but your facts are not facts

  190. The question comes up ‘Why were not the colts footballs underinflated?’

    The Ravens, Kensil, Grigson & the Colts knew that Tom Brady likes his footballs at the League MNIMUM of 12.5 psi. The STING went into effect/began on Nov 16th 2014 ( This is not conjectural but FACT ) the Colts had their footballs inflated to 13.5 psi or perhaps even higher ( Aaron Rodgers inflates them to 14 psi ) to compensate for loss of air pressure due to drop in temps, rain & wind.

    Scientific FACT that Colts footballs would remain within league specs above 12.5psi AND Patriots footballs are FACTUAL & SCIENTIFICALLY below league specs since they started at the MINIMUM of 12.5psi in a WARM TEMP INFALTION SETTING.

    Kensil and the Colts have the ONLY football at 2psi under – WHY ??? Because they handled this football for at least twenty minutes. Colts are responsible for the ONLY football that was found to be 2 psi under league minimum.

    Any Judge & Jury would easily convict Kensil and the Colts on Deflate Gate Evidence.

  191. It’s pretty obvious by the number of thumbs down that the Patriot fans’ troll-Schwartz has never been bigger. Like feeding ducks on a pond, here’s another one for ya.

    There’s gotta be a word for when someone does something bad, (the patriots here, Ray rice before that, Saints in bounty gate before that, and so on) and then through the media saturation the persecution complex of said fan base gets out of hand. Other fan bases kind of stop caring but the “persecuted” kool-aid stained fan base wants everyone else to pay and they are all over every article about the subject. Like how dare anyone question us? Of course everyone else is wrong.

    And then we end up here…somehow the offending team is the victim?

  192. And now the truth is starting to come out, this wasn’t Goodall and the NFL, it was Kensil and the Colts who tried to catch the Pats in something they weren’t doing. Goodall needs to explain what went on here, and quickly, although I do believe the words ‘quickly’ and ‘NFL’ and ‘Investigation’ don’t really go together. More like ‘NFL’ and ‘Keystone Cops’, now they go together.

  193. “it’s obvious that the NFL will indeed need clear, hard proof of tampering in order to justify punishing the Patriots.”

    Oh, how nicely and calmly things could have turned out if these simple standards were followed, Florio. But that isn’t how Roger operates.

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