As expected, “unnamed scout” goes all in on Jameis Winston

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With the assembled media prowling the halls of the Indianapolis Convention Center and the downtown bars and Steak and Shake at 3 a.m. for the last week, it’s harvest time for the annual crop of observations of the most talkative person in the NFL — the unnamed scout.

As you might expect, the modern-day Deep Throat has plenty to say about everyone, but seems to have particularly strong opinions when it comes to the guy who will likely be the first pick in the 2015 NFL Draft.

Via veteran reporter Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, one of the more learned of the unnamed scouts has gone both barrels (#asexpected) on Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston.

“Someone will take him in the first round, but how could you even let that guy in the building?” said the US. “The second law of thermodynamics basically is the more ways something can happen, the more likely it is to happen. That’s true of players. The more ways they can [expletive] up, the more chances they [expletive] up. This guy’s got a lot of stuff that would lean him more likely to be a bust than a good player.”

For one thing, hats off to McGinn for knowing the US who was clearly not a phys ed major in college, which strikes about 75 percent of the pool.

Of course, the “second law of thermodynamics” is a fancy way of saying “I don’t trust the kid,” or “I want to slander the kid so he might be available to my team” or perhaps “I’m just talking out my thermodynamic exhaust pipe over a beer or nine.”

Winston is far from a flawless prospect, largely because of the off-field concerns.

But the (far more rare in this environment) named coach who most people expect to be coaching him next season has already declared himself fine with that part.

And it’s interesting that this scathing evaluation comes as others are praising his football IQ, to go along with the obviously high production in college.

Because this draft lacks the same number of players who move the needle as past drafts, Winston can expect more of this kind of treatment over the next two months.

And to think, we’ve yet to hear the annual rip job of the talented-but-troubled quarterback from Nolan Nawrocki’s trusty band of US sources (#fakesmile), who will doubtless turn Winston into the second coming of JaMarcus Russell.

93 responses to “As expected, “unnamed scout” goes all in on Jameis Winston

  1. It doesn’t matter if it is an unnamed scout, or a highly respected scout who goes on the record.
    The statement regarding Winston are accurate. This guy has 10 times more ?????? marks than Johnny Football.
    Look, FSU protected and enabled this kid, and there is no doubt in my mind he did the female wrong.
    Some team will ignore morals, ethics, and criminal activity and choose him for his athletic ability. But that will be a huge mistake. This kid should be avoided at all costs, and don’t let him near your daughters

  2. I have to agree with him. My concern is that this is a kid who couldn’t stay out of trouble when he was broke in college. It’s only gonna get worse when he gets a huge windfall.

  3. When a scout has to rely on ‘thermodynamics’ to evaluate a players attitude which relies on people mistakes.. they are just grasping for straws hoping he will drop to the team he works for.

    Winston stole crab legs but if you read more into detail about the story there was an employee who let him do this all the time but there was a new employee who was not ‘clued in’ at the store and saw him do it and called the police.

    As for the internet slogan he screamed during school that was a mistake. If it were a prank during a meeting to scream that it would probably last all but 5 seconds in the pros after they laugh it off.

  4. If you’re not willing to put your name behind your words, then your words don’t mean much.

  5. “The second law of thermodynamics basically is the more ways something can happen, the more likely it is to happen.”

    Wow, somebody is just blowing smoke big time.

  6. Ugh, I hate it when people who are not that bright try to use something they really don’t understand in trying to ‘act smart.’ Maybe he should read Wikipedia sometime.

    The second law of thermodynamics states that whenever energy is transformed from one form to another form, entropy increases and energy decreases.

    I think he meant Murphy’s Law — what can go wrong, will go wrong. Therefore, the more complex the system, the more points of failure.

    There is a joke where Murphy’s Law is called the Fourth Law of Thermodynamics. But I doubt this guy has heard of it.

  7. #asexpected -the unnamed scout doesn’t have the balls to put his name on these comments which just means they are baseless and not taken seriously by anyone.

  8. Winston won a lot in college. There was a telling moment during his only loss though that I watched that nobody else has mentioned. He had a toddler like hissy fit and the coach told him to calm down or he is going to pull him.

    He is going to lose a lot in the NFL, teams drafting high typically do. Is he going to melt down and stomp his feet? It reminds me of a less evolved version of when Cam Newton hides underneath that stupid towel.

  9. From you headline it is apparent that you don’t understand what the term “all-in” actually means.

    “All-in” means you are gambling everything you have on whatever you are talking about. A scout that was “all-in” in Jameis Winston would be betting his reputation on the fact that Winston will be a star, not a bust.

    A scout who wouldn’t even let him in the building is hardly “all-in” on Winston.

  10. This is the same guy that was screaming at his coach in the bowl game, and was threatened to be benched, and eventually was after a disastrous blowout.

    Far from a once in a generation draft pick.

  11. You guys said it…

    See Manziel… less the alcohol… but x4 with felonious activity… imagine him with millions at his disposal to get in to trouble… WOW.

    I’d even take the alcohol over outright crime any day.

  12. If the Jets would have listened to Nolan Narocki they wouldn’t have Geno Smith on the roster. Don’t hate on Narocki for being right.

  13. I understand football IQ, but I’m not sure how or who establishes it. Winston made so many questionable, if not outright stupid throws. Obviously football IQ isn’t something that takes place on the field, if this guy has a high one. He has a high ceiling, but so did JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf. Words like character, intangibles, and football IQ get thrown around by people who really don’t understand what they’re talking about. I’m afraid that includes many scouts and GMs.

  14. Jameis is a very talented football player…I just don’t trust him …

    No worries with Marcus though…

  15. ryann252013 says:Feb 22, 2015 1:02 PM

    When a scout has to rely on ‘thermodynamics’ to evaluate a players attitude which relies on people mistakes.. they are just grasping for straws hoping he will drop to the team he works for.

    Winston stole crab legs but if you read more into detail about the story there was an employee who let him do this all the time but there was a new employee who was not ‘clued in’ at the store and saw him do it and called the police.

    As for the internet slogan he screamed during school that was a mistake. If it were a prank during a meeting to scream that it would probably last all but 5 seconds in the pros after they laugh it off.

     

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    So let me get this straight, it wasnt his fault with the crab legs because the guy who normally let him steal them was off that day? Oh thanks for clearing that up. What that says to me is it was a much worse situation than some teenager wanting something and making a mistake of shoplifting like a lot of kids. No that means one of two things, eitherhe is a thief who habitually steals or more likely he has that entitlement complex. If that is the case things are worse than previously thought. I love how you apologize for him with the excuse of the guy who normally let him steal was off.

     

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  16. I can see why people see some red flags, but honestly he stole some freaking crab legs!! These universities don’t want to pay these players who make them all the money, a lot of these kids come from a poor family or a difficult situation . Not justifying his actions, but if Big Ben can turn it around (supposedly) if Riley cooper can go around telling the N word and be forgiven by the media and his teammates, I don’t see why jamies can’t. You take him if he’s there and you take care of him like any 1st round pick. But then again he just might end up being Ryan leaf in prison and a drug junkie

  17. Did somebody above just state that Winston used to steal crab legs all the time, and it was the fault of a new employee that he wasn’t allowed to get away with it? So, Winston didn’t make just one mistake, he’s a kleptomaniac?!

    So many red flags. So many…

  18. No matter how well you do in college someone will always degrade what you done on the field 22 million is not 60 million the risk arent as much as before draft the best player and let him earn his spot

  19. If the bucs take this guy I cancel my tickets. The guy has proven he is a knucklehead I gonna take my family to a game starring a thief ,abuser animals and women, and whatever else hasn’t bubbled to surface

  20. The reality is is that no one really knows if any player in the draft will be the next boom or bust.

    There is no guarantee that any player will be successful at the NFL level until he’s actually playing and succeeding. There have been too may Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf type failures that were all “guaranteed to be great” by scouts, the Mike Mayocks of the world etc.

  21. Winston had an erratic behavior when he was the face of FSU football and was not properly punished because the program was more worried about winning the title than showing work ethic. By the way, that loss to Oregon was poetic justice for such conduct.

    What makes people think Winston will change in the blink of an eye? Now he will be the face of a franchise and will have million of dollars at his disposal. Plus, it looks like he is staying at Florida. We’ve got the full recipe for disaster.

    His high football IQ did not stop him from doing stupid things away from the field. With more power and more money, it’s hard to believe Winston will suddenly calm down in the near future.

  22. Something else that must be considered by the teams–and this is a recent development–is knowing that the league will place a player on paid leave (suspended indefinitely) until charges (substance abuse, domestic abuse, arrest for other things, too) have played out in a court of law.

    Can a team afford to have a QB with a high risk of behavioral trouble be suspended in the middle of the season.

    It’s really too bad about Jameis’ personal problems because he really has it all when it comes to NFL QB play.

  23. Enjoy these articles Jameis haters. I’m sure there will be a few more before the draft.

  24. The anonymous scout issue is not the problem. It is the “scout” problem.

    There are likely at least 50 scouts that work in the NFL.

    1/50 of the league is not the whole league.

    Plus, a scout does not have the same credibility that an executive does. Get multiple executives on the record and then you will know what Winston is all about.

  25. Every draft day there’s this. The owners pushed for and got limitations on rookie contracts precisely to ensure a situation like Jarmarcus Russell where a rookie can be paid amongst the highest at his position and then be a bust. So what exactly is the problem?

    Let me ask you all this. If the QB that the Bucs released, Josh McCown, is amongst the top free agent QB and who most teams are lukewarm on at best…if he is amongst the best optiin out there where exactly do you all suggest a QB starved team find a QB?

    Winston is the best available option out there and if a team decides he’s talented enough he will get drafted high off field issues and all.

    The snide remarks from posters and talking heads etc can make all the decree they want about not taking him, they can talk about principles all they want but at the end of the day if you’re the GM/coach whose fat salary depends on finding talent you pull that trigger almost every time especially for a QB.

  26. Of course he is calling every one sir and saying the right things now. Cash that check ,get the posse and start acting the way you were raised. Like a crimina. Bucs were fooled once by Josh Freeman and is sulking. Take the mature kid Marcus or trade down and build the defence. The trading up talk is all for Marcus anyway

  27. The more the “media” tries to cram this guy down my throat, the more I question his abilities.

  28. Just some perspective on his 40-yard dash time. ~5 seconds is more than fast enough to scramble for 10-yards.

    When people say Tom Brady ran a 5.28 — the point that’s being implied, but is incorrect, is that’s not Brady’s speed TODAY. Brady was 22/23 year old kid and pre-knee surgery when he posted a 5.28. Today he’d probably run a 5.6+.

    For comparison, Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo ran a 4.97 last year, and he looks like Michael Vick compared to Tom Brady.

    tl;dr 4.97 is more than fast enough for a pocket QB.

    The real measure of Winston will be his work ethic and football IQ.

  29. I can’t think of a player with major off field issues in college that has gone on to success as an NFL QB.

    Roethlisberger and Vick both had major issues once in the NFL, but I can’t think of a QB in my life that came into the NFL with Winston’s kind of issues and had success.

    It’s not impossible, but if you are playing the odds you would never take Winston anywhere in the first round.

  30. Just another old “time stopper” trying to shield the QB position from the inevitable complexion change.

    I can just see the Unnamed Source waving a confederate flag dressed in his reenactment uniform, saying “from my cold dead hands”.

  31. This is why he is an Unnamed Scout and not a physicist.
    He probably failed HS chemistry, scored poorly on his SAT and dropped out of college (if he was ever accepted).
    He is an Unnamed Scout because if anyone knew his name he would be an Unemployed Scout.

  32. Frank Gibbons says:
    Feb 22, 2015 1:22 PM
    he’s a criminal, will fit perfectly in this league
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    Actually NFL players are less likely to commit a crime than the general population. So umm yea.

  33. m4hawk,

    “Get the posse together” and “act the way you were raised?” How exactly was he raised since he comes from a regular old two-parent home in Bessemer, AL? People like you make me sick.

    Btw, going to be a whole lot of conflicted Buc fans come the fall since most of them are also Gator fans and have been practicing their lame Criminole and crab leg jokes for so long.

  34. Just a few observations…

    to the haters, you could also be completely wrong and later in total disbelief how your “predictions” were so wrong about Winston, IF, he does a total about face after turning pro. The kid needs to mature yes…and which of you didn’t at one point in time? Except you were saved from public humiliation and exposure of your youth issues.

    Judging others, futurizing about what they will become, as if you’ve a crystal ball, displays a total lack of maturity too, in my opinion.

    Whatever happened between Winston and the woman is ONLY known to them. That’s reality. No matter how much folks want to speculate about the incident, they don’t know diddly, as they weren’t witnesses to anything.

  35. He’s just not as talented as so many of you fools pretend. His arm is decent not strong, his athleticism is below average, his IQ is obviously lacking re his questionable antics. He played a weak schedule and he just looks like a bust. If Lovie drafts him it will only confirm what a bad coach he is

  36. harrisonhits2 says:
    Feb 22, 2015 1:39 PM

    The reality is that no one really knows if any player in the draft will be the next boom or bust.

    There is no guarantee that any player will be successful at the NFL level until he’s actually playing and succeeding. There have been too may Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf type failures that were all “guaranteed to be great” by scouts, the Mike Mayocks of the world etc.

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    I agree there is no guarantee.

    However you have to trust some indicators.

    Winston’s stat line is good. Great TD to INT ratio in 2013… reasonable in 2014. Great completion percentage.

    That’s a check mark.

    Arm strength, NFL level accuracy.

    So far a check mark.

    Off field issues.

    Very bad.

    That’s enough to sink his draft. Someone taking him first overall is taking a massive risk.

    Sure he might end up great. Like you said, no guarantee, but it’s not likely.

  37. Lovie’s about to get his QB like Dungy did that takes him from good coach to Hall of Famer. This dude went to the freaking Super Bowl with Rex Grossman pulling the trigger, lol.

  38. Y’all think these athletes don’t get free hook-ups in town? The crablegs was a hookup gone wrong. Any of you play ball at a major university or know someone who does? This happens ALL THE TIME!!

    As for the supposed rape y’all act as if this woman wouldn’t lie. Only one person tried to destroy evidence, changed their story multiple times and asked their roommate to lie about the second semen sample found on their shorts and that person wasn’t Winston. Brian Banks anyone!!

    Remember when Manning teabagged that UT trainer and she was paid off? College kids do dumb things. Some go on to be productive citizens. NONE of us know what Winston’s future holds.

  39. m4hawk says:
    Feb 22, 2015 1:24 PM
    If the bucs take this guy I cancel my tickets.
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    Who writes your material? That’s some funny stuff.

  40. If an individual isn’t man/woman enough to put their name to it, they should keep their FREAKING mouth shut. These are spineless individuals!

  41. there isn’t a team in the league that couldn’t use another thermodynamic playmaker

  42. Personally I’ve always thought that McGinn just throws in his own opinions much of the time and then attributes them to unnamed scouts and personnel people.

  43. braven4evr says:Feb 22, 2015 3:12 PM

    If an individual isn’t man/woman enough to put their name to it, they should keep their FREAKING mouth shut. These are spineless individuals
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    Ummmm……ok, ‘braven4evr’.
    Is that an old Irish name?
    Hypocrite often from your Internet pulpit?

  44. I’m a big PFM fan, and I was rereading about this alleged sexual misconduct at UT while he was 20 or 21. In today’s world, it would have blown up in ways it just didn’t in the 90s.

    Most mature adults I know did pretty stupid things as college kids (and after). Nothing like experience to really teach you. I’m finding myself rooting for Jameis more and more.

  45. What’s funny is that no matter what people say or think, he will be a multi- millionaire in a few months. Like it or not, he wins! Just like most of society, what you accomplish in college determines your early career success. If my contract paid me $10 million guaranteed, I couldn’t car less if some lames on a blog think I’m going to bust. You go to college to get a good, hopefully high paying job….mission accomplished.

  46. 1. One of his 29 wins was against my team.
    2. I drink bud, watch Nascar and can drive my home.
    3. Anyone else would be behind bars right now for putting soda in a water cup at burger King. Grand theft doesn’t exist for star QB’s.
    4. When I was in college we studied hard, went to every class and went nuts with karaoke on weekends.
    5. WE respected women and waited until marriage to get that hit to first base.
    6. The leader of our team couldn’t speak. He motivated us and gave us lots of high fives.
    7. Nobody was given another chance. Caught speeding, say goodbye to license forever.

    I can go on forever with reasons like this, which give us facts on why Jameis Loseton will be a bust. It’s so easy to see.

  47. Why do so many people care if Winston is a bust ? Unless your team is the Bucs,Jets, or Titans what’s in it for you. I guess the carry over from FSU still resonate for many.

  48. Unnamed scouts have declared greatness of Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell, RG3, Tim Couch and many others. Even Jimmy Clausen had Mel Kiper Jr promising greatness.
    Despite the confident predictions, selecting a QB is still a bit of a crapshoot and players like Andrew Luck are the exception rather than the norm.
    One also wonders whether the unnamed scout receives a payment from the player’s agent for helping to promote the player.

  49. Even if there is only a ten percent chance the guy becomes an All Pro, don’t you have to take that chance? Not many Hall of Famers in this draft.

    I’d approach Winston about signing a contract that lets the team release him without financial obligation if he acts like a Manziel.

  50. I think what the scout means is that Goodell will suspend Winston if he continues to break the laws of thermodynamics

  51. Can you say smoke screen that’s why he not saying who he is he want others to think bad about Winston so he can scoop him up.

  52. Book it, unless Winston gets in a car accident or does something stupid before the draft he will go #1. Guy has all the physical talent in the world, is a student of the game and a great teammate and leader. Obviously he needs to mature some, but that won’t stop teams from drafting him. After all Peyton Manning still went #1 despite flashing a trainer in college.

  53. m4hawk says:
    Feb 22, 2015 1:24 PM
    If the bucs take this guy I cancel my tickets
    _____________

    Judging from the stands the past few years, most of you already have.

    Regardless, enjoy the piling on Jameis, you herd of independent thinkers.

  54. Is this anonymous source the same guy who leaked the deflategate stuff? Because if it is, that guy is definitely worth listening to since he has been only about 83% wrong so far.

  55. TV Ratings would go through the roof, if the Bucs passes on Winston. It would be must see TV, especially, if the camera is on Winston, squirming in the famous green room, with the expression on his face, of being disappointed that he wasn’t taking 1st overall by the Bucs. It would by very interesting, if Winston slides pass the Eagles, his favorite team, and slides to one of the playoff caliber teams, where Winston, could hold the clipboard for a few seasons, learning the nuts and bolts about being a NFL quarterback. This would give Winston, the opportunity to mature as the face of the franchise.

  56. oh, just wait till Nolan gets onto him…he will go crazy into his character…..seriously though, Winston has the ability to me. unlike Manziel, he’s pro ready…the only comparison Winston has with Manziel is character, but Winston’s character issues aren’t like Manziel’s. the big worry about Manziel was the night life…Winston’s are on maturity. will he shoplift or commit a sexual assault??? my hope and thoughts are that he won’t do any of those again, however, i feared Manziel would keep his nightlife loving even before he got drafted and it didnt help that he clearly wasn’t ready to start at QB.

  57. I’d be much more concerned with 18 INTs in 2014 than anything. He put FSU in the hole with poor decisions pretty much every game last season, but for whatever reason no one is mentioning that.

  58. Living in Tallahassee, I have seen & heard more of Winston than I care for. With everything that has already been said & done, most of these college kids hang with the wrong crowd. Tallahassee (FSU) is only a 4 hour drive from Tampa, I think Winston needs to go somewhere up north, far away from his alma mater and his friends. Start fresh (as long as it’s not with the Bucs).

  59. Big Ben raped twice as many women that we know about than Winston did. Why can’t Winston get every opportunity to be a superstar too? Raping chicks aint no big deal to the NFL. Actually any violence against women is totally cool…just as long as you don’t get caught on videotape….otherwise….you will face severe punishment.

  60. you people do understand it was an article discussing over 50 players in the draft and none of the scouts comments for any of players were attached with scout’s names?

  61. any idiot who is under investigation for rape, that stands up in public and says what he said is obviously not the smartest individual.
    Considering he went around with friends randomly shooting people with a BB gun, I would say that logic is reinforced.
    Especially when you consider the death of Tamir Rice and what he was doing at the time.
    I just hope he pulls his head out of his keister before it winds up in prison, or in the morgue. Kid has talent, no doubt. Just doesnt have it together between the ears.

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