Suh, Dolphins ironing out details

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The floodgates-opening report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen regarding the news that Ndamukong Suh will sign with the Dolphins on Tuesday ultimately was not accurate.  Unless it’s still Tuesday somewhere on the globe.

It hardly means Suh won’t be a Dolphin.

Per a league source, the two sides are still working on the smaller details of what will be a huge deal.  And it will be really huge; as noted on Tuesday, the $60 million in guaranteed money will be fully guaranteed.

And it’s essentially guaranteed that Suh will be a Dolphin.  Unless, as the Lions would say, he comes to his senses.

71 responses to “Suh, Dolphins ironing out details

  1. He isn’t even part of the team yet and he’s already getting them in trouble. Welcome to having Suh on your team. One headache and embarrassment after another.

  2. Doing their best to avoid the appearance of the blatant tampering they did a few days ago. Derp

  3. The Cards are still a much better, brighter, and most importantly, Smarter then the Fish. Suh is a great player, super stud. BUT………..How many playoff wins did he have with Detroit, who IMO has a better roster then the Fish..
    In 3 years, there gonna be looking to dump his over paid arse..That’s for sure..

  4. Reports around Michigan were that Miami was still trying to figure out how in the hell they were going to pay him and clearing cap space was the hold up.

  5. Husker fan here, this is too much to spend on Suh. He is a great player BUT he is not a great quarterback.

    Every dollar you spend at one position you must take away from another

  6. So happy my team didn’t break the bank on this dude, All that money invested into 1 trick pony DT with anger issues…Usually big deals like this never get played out, Suh will eventually become a cap casualty.

  7. Right, they are still “negotiating” the finer points. Wink…Wink. 😉

    Does anyone look as stupid or as transparent as these bumbling idiots right now. Give me a break. If I was Goodell, I would make an example out of them…not so much for tampering….more so for just insulting my intelligence. SMH.

    ….but then again maybe Goodell should just stay in his office and rewrite this stupid “legal tampering” policy.

    It kind of reminds me of legal marijuana in Colorado. Sure, it’s legal….but as soon as you make a spectacle of yourself…we are going to be watching the Feds raid your grow house on Dateline.

  8. I believe this to be a great move that will vastly improve the starting defense. However, I also think that they will have a tough time signing QUALITY depth at key positions. Every team suffers atleast one or two injuries to key players every year. Late in the year when those guys have gone down and everyone else is feeling worn down from the grind of the season your depth is what ultimately decides your fate. Just sayin

  9. Suh had lost all leverage because his agent leaked the details (probably to try and get a better offer from Detroit), which also brought the ire of the NFL office back on Miami. Miami should just take some guaranteed money off the table.

  10. It will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out. For what it’s worth, Suh changed the his official Facebook profile pic to a silver and black version of his logo at about 4:00am today. It would be hilarious if the Raiders managed to swoop in and steal him from the Fins.

    As a Lions fan, thanks for your years of service and enjoy shaping your continuing legacy of a) huge paycheques and b) not winning titles.

  11. I was against the deal from the moment we first caught wind of it, and in truth, if I was at the helm it’s not a risk I’d be willing to take… I will reserve complete judgement until we learn the exact details of the contract, but I don’t see how they can make it fiscally palatable for us. It’s a reach, and one for which we could pay dearly, both literally and figuratively. On the flip-side of the coin, should the deal ultimately go through, for better or worse, we’d now have a monster anchoring the line and making everyone else better. Ask opposing tackles/QB’s if they want to think about what an improved Cameron Wake would look like.

  12. still clearing cap room, not sure if they have dumped Ellerbee yet. had no where near enough cap room yesterday to sign him

  13. There is alot of Suh hating on this board. Does everyone forget that Detroit had on of the top rated run defenses and one of the best overall defenses last season. I’m not saying it was one guy but this guy can help change a defensive front. Can anyone name Detroits starting LB’S? Miami will have a very good d-line this season if they sign Suh.

  14. For a team that many consider irrelevant we sure get many comments from fans of other teams that probably only watch the Dolphins play when against their OWN team. Simple as this ignorant folks..teams figured out we couldn’t stop runs up the gut around week 10 and everything went downhill once that was exposed. Recall the Jets all out run approach that nearly beat us the first meeting. It became hard to watch. With Suh that’s not happening anymore. Plus every unit on D gets better so its like you’re really paying for more than just one player’s talent. Last, you idiots don’t realize that all the players were cutting were the reason we didnt make the playoffs. Name one player we cut that had a good year? Don’t worry I’ll wait!

    Odrick is a good player but we’ve probably heard the last of him. May be good for 3 sacks on a good year. Doesn’t hold up against the run as consistently as you’d like.

    Bottom line, draft well and the contract won’t kill the roster. The new GM had a good first draft for us last year (finally), PLUS the NFL salary cap is increasing at an incredible rate over the years so PAY ATTENTION

  15. this will be the ONLY transaction the dumb & dumber will be able to do since Ross & Philbin don’t have cap space to do anything else!!! We need RB, LB, DB & oline STILL!!! Ross please sell this team to someone that has a clue & FIRE Philbin too!!!

  16. That comes to his senses line is still funny no matter how many times you reference it.

  17. Is it a lot of money? Absolutely. But Suh is a difference maker. He alone is probably good for at least two wins a season. The Dolphins biggest weakness last year was stopping the run. Problem solved while still making one of the Dolphins strengths (pass rush) that much better. The Lions defense was one of the leagues best a year ago despite injuries to key starters. That’s because of Suh. Imagine what he can do with better talent around him in Miami. Adding Suh lessens the need for the Dolphins to address the LB, CB and safety positions (this season at least). Instead the Dolphins can focus on building the offensive line and adding pieces around Tannehill once Suh is signed.

    It’s key for the Dolphins to lock up Tannehill long-term this offseason rather then wait around until the last minute. The longer they wait the more money he will command.

    The cap is going up by about $10 million each of the next two seasons. I don’t think that includes how much the cap will skyrocket once the league signs a new TV deal. I’m not worried about how much of the cap space Suh will take up.

  18. Suh had lost all leverage with the Ngata trade and because his agent leaked the details (probably to try and get a better offer from Detroit), which also brought the ire of the NFL office back on Miami. Miami should just take some guaranteed money off the table.

  19. Look…Ndom we’ve been really clear here we just don’t see a fit for you and we just don’t need you, please for the last time go ahead and sign with Miami, we just don’t want you no matter how much you want to play here.

    Sincerely;
    Green Bay Packers, owners

  20. Even an idiot can see that Miami told SUH to drag his feet so it didn’t look like they had an agreement this weekend in violation of the dopey NFL rule

  21. floratiotime says: Mar 11, 2015 9:48 AM

    When was the last time a defensive tackle led his team to a Superbowl win?
    ——————————————————–

    Off the top of my head, I’d say Warren Sapp played a pretty integral role in the Bucaneers 2002 championship season. I’m sure there are other examples as well.

  22. I agree with the post above. Suh will dramatically improve the dolphins defense, especially the linebackers. That’s a large cap hit thgh. Good luck with that Miami.

  23. The Dolphins are trying to see how much more of the team they have to cut just to clear his salary. One man alone is not worth this much.

    While I think Mayhew and Lewand dropped the ball on getting him resigned and they kicked the can down the road too much with restructuring, it was clear from the get go that Suh was just in it for the money. He didn’t even have an agent in place last year around FA time for God’s sake! CJ made it a priority to get a deal worked out in time before FA and Stafford got his extension done before it became a distraction.

    If Suh was a team player and he had any interest in staying in Detroit long term he would have bargained in good faith and he didn’t. This was his intention all along. He’s a Dolphin because it gave him a tax break. Enjoy your money Suh because it probably won’t get you a ring.

    I wish the Lions had drafted McCoy.

  24. floratiotime says:
    Mar 11, 2015 9:48 AM
    When was the last time a defensive tackle led his team to a Superbowl win?
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    Warren Sapp and Suh is a better player than Sapp.

  25. I’m predicting the deal will fall through and Suh will still be a free agent at the end of the week.

  26. @billsfan1
    If you think Suh will be our only FA pickup that’s just sad on your part. Why is it you all think you know how to manage the cap? Did you forget once your Bills sign Charles Clay to a front-loaded contract worth 8m+ a year that saves us 7m (enough for a safety and CB), plus we cut Starks earlier to save 5m. With Suh he isn’t needed, we have younger DTs behind Earl Mitchell….I will say be afraid if Devante Parker falls to us at pick 14. Him, Wallace and Landry with possibly Jordan Cameron. You don’t want those problems!

  27. Sacrificing so much to sign a very expensive and difficult to control player to a team with weak coaching and clueless, meddlesome ownership seems like a bad idea. Unless your focus is on generating publicity and selling jerseys rather than actually building a team to win titles, then it makes sense.

  28. Ellerbe will also soon be gone to save either 5.5 or 8m depending on if we give him the June 1 designation or find a trade partner. Wallace says he MAY restructure..don’t be worried about the damn cap. Pats won it all with -10m in cap space. Maybe thats the way! Jk

  29. @ finscanes

    What good is Wallace when you don’t have a quarterback who can throw accurately beyond 20 yards?

    This looks to be yet another talented but high-priced free agent this convoluted and confused coaching staff will misuse and alienate.

    Suh is in Miami strictly for the money and tax break, how hard he plays with everything guaranteed is anyone’s guess, but his personal character doesn’t allow much optimism.

  30. The dolphins are trying to make it look good to avoid the wrath of the leagues tampering rules.
    By the way will there be a special investigator for teams like the Jets who openly tampered or do they just do that for the PATS.

  31. The deal is being held up because Suh’s agent wants the Dolphins to pay the fines Suh will get because of more dirty plays.

    One thing I wish is that Richie Icognito was still on the Dolphins and he’d text Suh some of those messages he was texting Jonathan Martin.

    Suh would then be free to use all his dirty tricks on Incognito, and I for one would love to see it.

  32. Nothing at all against Suh – he’s a great player, and I don’t think anyone is arguing that. It’s just so much money.

    These megadeals make it extremely difficult for teams to put together a full team of quality players, unless the franchise QB and other players are willing to revamp their deals on a regular basis.

    I think Suh would fit best with a team on the verge of making a push in the playoffs, which Miami is not, but at the very least it’s a signing that will make a splash and get more butts in the seats.

    Of course for the next three years they’ll be struggling with cap space and trying to figure out how to pay their other top players.

  33. Suh is in Miami strictly for the money and tax break, how hard he plays with everything guaranteed is anyone’s guess, but his personal character doesn’t allow much optimism.

    ————-
    Suh wasn’t exactly slumming it on his rookie contact but he still found plenty of motivation to play.

    And what do you mean by his personal character? By all accounts he’s a nice, well spoken guy off the field.

    On the field he’s as mean as they come. That’s a plus in my book, not a negative.

  34. liltifer says:
    Mar 11, 2015 11:40 AM
    Suh is in Miami strictly for the money and tax break, how hard he plays with everything guaranteed is anyone’s guess, but his personal character doesn’t allow much optimism.

    ————-
    Suh wasn’t exactly slumming it on his rookie contact but he still found plenty of motivation to play.

    And what do you mean by his personal character? By all accounts he’s a nice, well spoken guy off the field.

    On the field he’s as mean as they come. That’s a plus in my book, not a negative.

    Almost getting suspended for a playoff game could be considered a negative.

    The bottom line in the NFL these days…pouring a lot of money into one position can kill a team. Especially if that player isn’t married to a top world super model who’s the bread winner in the family who will easily re-structure his contract and be a team player. Even if the player produces at a high level – the rest of the team suffers, especially depth of the team.

    See New Orleans and Drew Brees
    See Dallas and Tony Romo
    See Detroit Calvin and Stafford
    See Chicago and Cutler

  35. Every couple of years it seems like the Dolphins and Bills “win” free agency. Each time it’s going to be a new dawn in the AFC East. New coaches, new players, new attitude. The Bills were going to parlay Mario Williams and Mark Anderson (remember him?) into a defensive juggernaut. Mike Wallace and Brandon Gibson were going to make the Dolphins’ offense unstoppable. In the end, every year is the same as the one before. Patriots win the division. Then, a couple of years later, those new players get cut/released, clearing up tons of salary space where a new batch of free agents are deployed. Rinse. Repeat. So it goes.

  36. Yes Suh will cost a lot.
    But the players he’s “replacing” weren’t worth their salary.

    SUH: $19 Mil in 2015
    (2014 – 53 tackles, 4.5 sacks)

    Phins: $19 Mil for Ellerbe, Wheeler & Odrick in ’15
    (2014 – 71 tackles, 1 sack combined)

    18 tackles more by 3 guys in a 16 game season and 3 less sacks for the same money.

    Suh, alongside Wake and Vernon will free up the LBs like Jenkins (108 tackles) to do their job & most likely help Miami become a better defense as a whole.

  37. teams and players are covering up the idiotic 72 hour “negotiating period” where you are not allowed to negotiate……

  38. Disgruntled AFC East fans in abundance are now worried about how both Wake & Suh can be double teamed. Miami’s D just got a lot better and people don’t like it. Oh, so sorry you’re all upset! (including Brady)

    Go on Dolphins haters…keep hating.

  39. If Suh comes to Miami with Wake and Vernon then Brady is finished in two years.

  40. Funny how Patriot fans say Shula was a cheater??? We aren’t the team viewed by the whole nation as cheaters and should have asterisks by our championship because Shula has more class in his pinky than Kraft and belicheat combined….. Shula threw away the Raiders playbook before a game..your GREAT coach films,deflates,steals signals,lies about injury reports and flat out CHEATS ……Stay classy CHEATRIOT FANS!!!!

  41. Disgruntled AFC East fans in abundance are now worried about how both Wake & Suh can be double teamed. Miami’s D just got a lot better and people don’t like it. Oh, so sorry you’re all upset! (including Brady)

    Go on Dolphins haters…keep hating.

    Won’t matter even with Suh they are still just an 8-8 team.

  42. Suh will be a bust in Miami. He won’t have all the great talent on the defensive line next to him like he did in Detroit. His personality and Joe Philbin won’t be a good fit. He will be a bust. You read it here first….

  43. Speaking in hypotheticals, wouldn’t it make more sense financially and for your future, to try and trade up with a team like the raiders and draft the DT from USC.. Less financial burden and can still have money to build for the future… This contract will inhibit them to be competitive for a few years..

  44. It would be unfair for Ngata and Suh to play on the same team. Which is why Suh is going to be an agile fat – albeit rich – failing tuna fish loser for the rest of his life…Good job wasting your future on DonkeyKong Suh Dolphins. You have further cemented your status in NFL history as irrelevant.

    Lions win on this deal.

  45. floratiotime says: Mar 11, 2015 9:48 AM

    When was the last time a defensive tackle led his team to a Superbowl win?
    —————————
    In Super Bowl XX, Richard Dent was the MVP. He’s an end, not a tackle, but a DL was credited as the MVP.

    Offense sells tickets. Defense wins championships.

  46. Miami’s offense is set to grow over the next few years, with Tannehill, a young receiving corps, and an inexpensive RB market. Lazor has the team improving in a lot of areas.

    Miami’s D-Line before-Suh seemed good on paper with Wake Vernon Mitchell Starks and Odrick, but really didn’t do that great last year, and the run-defense was a glaring weakness. 100 mil may be a steep contract, but it makes the D-talent we have able to achieve it’s maximum potential and get the most out of those guys.

    IMO, as long as Miami can afford Tannehill’s impending contract as well, they’ll be in a positive swing on both sides of the ball.

  47. As a Pats fan I can assure you this deal worries me.

    Miami gets a lot stronger defensively with Suh. My Pats needed to draft for the O Line before this move. Even more so now.

    With Revis and Browner gone now, defensively we’re back to the “bend and don’t break but give up a ton of points regardless” days.

    Everyone laughs at the QB’s the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have but I guarantee that our secondary now will make their 3 starters look like Montana, Marino and Manning. Back to the good old days of the Ryan Fitzpatrick’s of this world lighting up this D for 135+ passer ratings again, folks!

  48. Haters!! I Love it!!! All this same sh*t would be said if he signed somewhere else. Yes, it’s a lot of money but he would have gotten paid either way.

    No, Suh has not won a SuperBowl all by himself, but tell me a player who has?? (No One has!!). He eats up two blockers on every play, tell me another Defensive Tackle that demands that much attention besides a younger Vince Wilfork!!!

    So go ahead and Hate, Haters!! #90 is taking his talents to South Beach!!!

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