So who won the Bradford-Foles trade?

AP

In a week full of surprising moves in the NFL, none came as a bigger shock than the news that the Eagles had traded quarterback Nick Foles to the Rams for quarterback Sam Bradford.

At first, many assumed that the deal also included the Eagles getting the Rams’ first-round pick (No. 10 overall), and that it was the first step toward Eagles coach Chip Kelly moving up in the draft to select Marcus Mariota. But when the dust settled and the final compensation was revealed, that turned out not to be the case at all. It was the Rams who got the better draft pick haul: The Eagles are sending a fourth-round draft pick this year and a second-round pick next year to St. Louis and receiving a fifth-round pick this year and (depending on Bradford’s health and playing time) either a third- or fourth-round pick next year.

So the Eagles get Bradford, the Rams get Foles, and the Rams get the better end of the draft pick compensation. In other words, Kelly thinks Bradford is better than Foles. Throw in the fact that the Eagles have to pay Bradford $13 million this year, while the Rams only have to pay Foles $1.5 million this year, and Kelly must like Bradford a lot better than Foles. For all of Kelly’s talk about salary cap constraints explaining his decision to trade LeSean McCoy and cut Todd Herremans, Trent Cole and Cary Williams, Kelly traded away his starting quarterback and draft picks to take on Bradford’s huge cap hit.

Considering that, and considering that Foles’s career passer rating is 94.2 while Bradford’s is 79.3, and considering that Bradford’s injury history is significant, it’s hard to see what Kelly is thinking.

But maybe he’s thinking this: Bradford is an elite quarterback talent, and Foles isn’t. It wasn’t that long ago that Bradford was the first overall pick in the draft and the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year. Foles is a former third-round pick whose skill set is more limited. Based purely on talent for the quarterback position, Bradford is better than Foles.

If Bradford turns out to be the player everyone thought he’d be when he was the rookie of the year in 2010, this will turn out to be a great move by the Eagles. If Foles turns out to be the player he was as a Pro Bowler in 2013, this will turn out to be a great move by the Rams. If both players disappoint — or if both players turn out to be their new teams’ franchise quarterbacks — the tiebreaker goes to St. Louis, which got the better draft picks and saved cap space in the process.

So tell us what you think, PFT Planet. Did the Rams win the trade by getting Foles plus cap space and picks, or did the Eagles win the trade by getting Bradford?

122 responses to “So who won the Bradford-Foles trade?

  1. Too soon, but I hope it works out for both teams. As an Eagles fan the only thing that upsets me is the 2nd round pick we gave up. I like Nick so I hope he does well. Obviously as an Eagles fan I want Sam to do well too so I will be rooting for both guys.

  2. Why are you asking this question now? We don’t know how either of these QBs will do with their new teams, and the draft picks don’t have any names attached to them yet.

    This is a question that you ask about three years down the road, but not right now.

  3. We have to take this trade in context. St Louis is trying to go from a 6-8 win team to a consistent playoff team.

    Chip Kelly is trying to go from a 10 win team to a championship team. He has to make bold moves. Being 10-6 ever year is not good enough.

    Different circumstances. The two teams have to look at risk from different angles.

    It could work for both teams if the Rams are consistently a playoff team and the Eagles are consistently a Super Bowl contender.

  4. Let’s judge it down the road. Makes no sense trying to declare a “winner” right now

  5. Ok lets put this on the table ! Chip can tell you he is not going to mortgage the future for MM ! And guess wha,,,t he’s not lying ! But he is still in hot pursuit of MM ! The reason he loaded up on running backs is to have one when one is sent with Bradford for the second pick in the draft ! This will be done ASAP ! Don’t be a sucker Stevie Wonder can see this !

  6. Unless Kelly knows something everyone else does not (either negatively about Foles or positively about Bradford), or this is some kind of interim move to trade up for Mariota, then I don’t get it at all.

  7. Obviously the key component here is health. Because other than that I have no doubt the Chipper can turn Bradford into what most thought he would be. If he can make Mike Vick a 120 rated passer what can he do with a healthy Bradford? Even Sanchez looked good at times. Good Luck Foles. Even though they just cut half of your line.

  8. The team that knows Bradford the best and has had to actually live with Bradford’s production instead of his potential had been trying to unload him all offseason.

    His career arc could follow Jay Cutler’s. Not because of attitude but because of injuries. Each coach in succession will think this is the year that Bradford can stay healthy and will become an elite QB, meanwhile Bradford will continue to pocket 10’s of millions while rehabbing his latest injury.

    This is already the 3rd or 4th different offense Bradford has had to learn since entering the league. Unfortunately he’s gotten lots of study time because he hasn’t been on the field.

    He’ll play 2-3 games and the media will declare Philly won the trade, Philly will then rush to sign him to an even more lucrative contract right before he tears his ACL for a 3rd time and is never the same.

    Keep in mind we don’t know what the 2nd ACL tear did to his mobility as he hasn’t played since that tear.

    I hope Foles does well for the Rams. The media put all the blame on him despite playing behind one of the worst lines in football last year and Kelly telling him to not throw the ball away when the unblocked blitzing linebackers were coming at him.

  9. Maybe Kelly is thinking, “I’ve seen Foles at practice, games, meeting rooms, and film study sessions for two seasons and I am certain he does not have what it takes to win consistently in the NFL. So, I will gamble on Bradford, and see what he can do in this offense.”

    I’m not a fan of the Eagles or Kelly. But, perhaps every once and a while we should concede that NFL coaches know more about football and the needs of their specific teams than a bunch of fans and Internet journalists.

  10. So this question who won the trade cannot be answered until MM’s wins a SUPER BOWL with the eiggles ! ONCE AGAIN CHIP IS NOT DONE DONT BUY IT THIS IS ALL NFL SHOW BUSINESS FOR THE NFL TROTTING OUT SAM LIKE HE IS STAYING ! CHIP WILL NOT PASS UP THE BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE DRAFT ! They where his words remember ” We will not mortgage the future for the best quarterback in the draft ” He wont but he will get him !

  11. On the surface, it looks like it favors the Rams. However, by signing Bradford, the Eagles were also able to lure his college teammate Demarco Murray.

    If you judge the deal based on everything Bradford brings to Eagles – potential and a top RB they otherwise wouldn’t have had, Eagles win this deal…especially if Bradford stays healthy.

  12. I was fine with this trade when i thought the Eagles were getting the Rams number 10 but without that and giving up a #2 next year this trade looks foolish.Picture this Mark”Dirty” Sanchez playing 75% of the snaps for us this year,Sanchez is fine for 2 games and no more.Demarco is a good back but is often injured ,Chip is rolling the dice this year,I would much rather have Howie as GM making the moves as it is clearly too much power way too soon

  13. It’s March 13th… how in the world can anybody know who won in any trade or acquisitions until AT LEAST the end of next season? I know everybody wants everything now these days but man these “who won” conversations are for simple minded fools.

  14. We have no idea how Foles will do without Kelly’s system. We have no idea if Bradford will flourish in the ne spread offense or just get injured again. Wait until about week 12 then re-poll this is silly.

  15. Having convinced the league he is not going to trade up for Mariota, Chip can now get his man by swapping first rounders with the Browns plus next years 1st round pick.

    Win for Chip.

  16. If Bradford stays healthy, I like him better than Foles. People forget that Foles was hurt most of last year and he was playing very poorly before he got hurt.

    I would be willing to bet that the Eagles and Bradford will work out a contract extension that will lower his cap number because I can’t believe that the they would have given all that up to rent a player for one year.

    Its a gamble for sure, but if Bradford can stay on the field he is a much better Quarterback than Nick Foles will ever be imho.

  17. As much as I like Foles I did not believe that he was even close to leading the Eagles to the Superbowl. His skill set is simply not a good as Bradford’s. Is there risk? Absolutely. But ask yourself… On a level playing field, injury-free with their respective skill sets, who would you take? I’d take Bradford

  18. If You Watch the Coaching Tape From 2014, It became apparent Foles Has cement feet and crubmles under pressure. He still is accurate thrower, but he is more of a system QB

  19. “Maybe Kelly is thinking, “I’ve seen Foles at practice, games, meeting rooms, and film study sessions for two seasons and I am certain he does not have what it takes to win consistently in the NFL. So, I will gamble on Bradford, and see what he can do in this offense.”

    I’m not a fan of the Eagles or Kelly. But, perhaps every once and a while we should concede that NFL coaches know more about football and the needs of their specific teams than a bunch of fans and Internet journalists.”

    If I could like this twice I would!

  20. With one year left on Bradford’s deal, a renegotiation could be to the advantage of both parties.

    If Bradford gets injured again, the deal could keep him around as a backup for a while the Eagles pursue other options, so Bradford still gets paid. If he stays healthy and plays well, the new deal would reward him.

    If there is no renegotiation, this hurts Philly with the high cap hit, but is also a big gamble for Bradford. If he plays well he will increase his value, but a subpar or injured year will leave him with very low pay going forward.

    If Philly gets a lower cap hit with a new deal, I would say this trade is even. If they don’t, then I say St. Louis came out ahead.

  21. Bradford was rookie of the year for a reason.he just hasn’t stayed healthy. do you not know what Chips offense at Oregon was? He wants to run the ball and play action over the middle.he wants outside receivers and tight ends to be able to run block and cooper and ertz and celek are great at that.can you remember one receiver that came out of Oregon? Me neither but I remember them winning a lot

  22. At this point in time, the Eagles got the better deal. Why? Because as PFT has reported, Bradford had a HUGE influence in getting Murray to the Eagles.

    Beyond that, as others have already pointed out, until the draft picks have actual players attached to them, it is FAR too soon to say who got the better deal.

  23. Bradford wasn’t given a chance with the Rams. Coach Kelly will showcase the talent that mad Bradford the 1st
    Overall pick in the draft. The Eagles won, hands down.

  24. @Elmerbrownelmer: i keep hearing how kelly got bradford for trade bait. Huh? Tell me how bradford is better trade bait than foles, especially with bradford having enormous cap hits compared to foles.

  25. No one knows who won the trade.

    Neither Bradford nor Foles has played a down for their new teams or if they can play a full season without getting injured. So that point is moot right now.

    Furthermore, we don’t know who the draft picks are and how they will pan out and since it usually takes 2 to 3 years to evaluate a draft, we’ll have to wait a couple of years to declare a winner.

  26. St Louis is trying to go from a 6-8 win team to a consistent playoff team.

    Chip Kelly is trying to go from a 10 win team to a championship team. He has to make bold moves. Being 10-6 ever year is not good enough

    ————–

    Youre logic makes no sense. 10-6 so you have to make bold moves? 6-8 wins so you have to be conservative?

    Thats backwards. The 10-6 team is the one who needs to be refining and tweaking to get to 1-2 more wins. Not blowing it up and starting with an all new roster.

  27. Chip Kelly is trying to become a championship team? Are you serious? That explains getting Bradford? I have made paper mache that has held up better than him!! Bold moves don’t win championships. You need 1.) A franchise QB 2.) build for 2-3 years in the draft 3.) splash in a few big time veterans. The Eagles have none of these.

  28. Could be the Eagles, could be the Rams. Bradford’s health will determine things.

    As things sit, I think Chip gave up too much to get him though.

    If you wanted to trade Foles, you should have just unloaded him for a pick to someone willing. Simple as that.

  29. Two years ago Foles had 27 tds and only 2 int’s. Say what you want about him, but at this level, any qb that can have a season like that is good. Bradford hasn’t been able to stay on the field since….maybe his second season at Oklahoma? That pretty much ends that comparison.

  30. As an Eagles fan, I was really impressed with Foles on the field in 2013, and the way he handled the adversity off the field in 2014. I had high hopes for him as a classic drop back qb with the right mentality to be a team leader. Today, st loo gets the better end of this. But Rams fans need to remember, he’s not bringing Chip’s offense with him. How will he perform there?

    As for Bradford, there’s no better way to protect a qb than to hand the ball off a lot and put him in good down and distance situations. Chip can do that for him. And then he could thrive.

    Eagles win.

  31. The Eagles got rid of someone who might not have been their answer at QB. The Rams got rid of someone who absolutely, positively, 100% wasn’t their answer and managed to get a better haul of picks out of it.

    Ask again in a few years, but if we’re going to speculate just after the fact, I don’t see any way that the Eagles won.

  32. i wouldnt have minded it so much if it was just a QB for QB. the picks dont make sense to me.

  33. Come on… Declaring a winner now would be like declaring the winner of a football game after the opening kickoff.

    It’s also possible, of course, that both teams win or both lose.

  34. This an unfair question. Kelly makes every QB look good, for God’s sake Sanchez looked competent to almost good last year and that guy sucks. Nick is a decent QB but without Chip he us going to regress, Bradford is pretty good and will look really good in this system but he isn’t going to be a Brees or Wilson, he’ll just benefit from Chip being miles ahead of defenses. The good news for the Eagles is that from a talent stand point, Bradford is better than Foles, which means he’s going to be better in Chips system that already makes QBs look great. People can hate all they want, but Chip’s first year he had to deal with 2 QBs and made it to the playoffs, his second year Nick’s lack of talent showed but Chip still led him to a great record and then he got hurt. Then Chip was forced to play Sanchez and even made him look good most of the time even though he loves throwing INTs. Lets face it, Chip is a brilliant offensive mind. If Bradford stays healthy (a major if” then he should win that division.

  35. Who won the Jon Bladwin – AJ Jenkins trade? As it turns out nobody, they both still sucked and have been released.

  36. If both QBs end up being their teams’ respective franchise quarterbacks (and we assume this is due to merit and not by default) then both teams won. The Rams don’t win on a technicality. That’s not how trade analysis works.

  37. I like Nick Foles a lot. But I think when he started throwing off his back foot last year Chip got nervous. I would be very happy for Nick if he does well with the Rams.

  38. Big issue with this trade is Bradford is only under contract for 2015-16. In the best case scenario Bradford stays healthy and has a great year. Unless the Eagles can ride that to a SB victory, Bradford is the only that wins, i.e., he takes his great season to free agency and Philly is left with nothing.

  39. Since “fleecing” Washington the Rams record is 20-27 and 1 tie. I, for one, an withholding judgment on this for the time being.

    Signed,

    Long suffering Rams fan

  40. Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were also first round picks, so clearly that means they have far better ‘skill sets’ than lower round draftees like Tom Brady and Russell Wilson, right? Dumb argument is dumb.

  41. Chip knows exactly what he’s doing.

    Foles played really bad but they were winning on defense and special teams. Sanchez got plays out quicker and put more points on the board than Foles.

    Foles was going to get cut Bradford is competition for Sanchez.

    The Rams Austin Davis, Shaun Hill, Nick Foles and Case Keenum battling it out for QB position.

    Fisher, in the past 20 yrs only 3x have his teams ranked 10th or above in passing Yd or TD. While he’s 11x below 20th. 6x hovering around 15th-16th.

  42. The meltdown in “Philly” this year is going to be epic….

    By week 2 Sam Bradford “Philly’s 13 Million Dollar Guy” or “Glass Joe #2” (now that Locker retired) will have an injury. It won’t be season ending but will take a good chunk of the season to recover. By then they will be so far in the hole recovery from just a running team will be impossible.

    The countdown clock for Chip Kelly has started….

  43. Lets be honest here. Ask yourself, is either of these guys talented enough in both football skills and leadership qualities to lead a team to the super bowl? Ya you get it.

  44. People are giving the Rams a lot of credit for fleecing teams in trades. Too bad it hasn’t translated into winning any football games. The real winner in this trade is Bradford, who goes from a losing organization with a defensive-minded coach, to a winning organization who has an offensive innovator for a coach.

  45. A couple of points. The Eagles should’nt have given up a #2 for Bradford.,,,maybe a #4….but I’m pretty confident kelly will get it back somehow. As far as evryone saying Fisher robs teams blind…so what?…he STILL has’nt turned the Rams into a winner or even a decent team. What good are extra picks if u can’t make them pan out? Bottom line…I think Sam Bradford will be the next Jim Plunkett. Was hurt all the time with the Pats, but got traded to the Raiders and won 2 Super Bowls. At least thats what I’m really hoping.

  46. You have to wonder if Chip has another move in line.

    I don’t think either QB is great for his system.

    And on top of it both teams have given up linemen with brittle QBs.

  47. In my opinion Bradford had (has?) top 5 QB skills. He posted pretty damn good #s when healthy behind some bad offensive lines with mediocre WRs. He was sacked a lot but it would have been even worse had he not gotten rid of the ball quick. I don’t believe he’s “soft” as I’m pretty sure he was one of the most hit qb’s per games played. Just cause he’s been injured multiple times doesn’t make him “soft”. I Think his talent is better than Foles even though I liked Foles and wish him the best. Can Bradford stay healthy? Big IF! All that aside here’s some food for thought: The eagles could extend his contract and spread out the money he would get this year, lowering his cap hit. that would make him more tradeable in a package to move up in the draft. So if he doesn’t play for the Eagles this year at all (if traded) they only give up a 4th round pick. Nothing I’ve read specified it had to be by injury. If it plays out like that Kelly would look pretty good. But who knows.

  48. I think both sides presume that they bought low . . . I think a healthy Bradford is an upgrade over Foles. I suppose his health is the million dollar question.

  49. I always question the team that gives up on a player, they know that player well, they see them in practice every day, study their habits and mannerisms and know their true upside potential. While this is true, its doubly true with QBs.

    So in essence, both teams gave up hope on last year’s starters and are willing to give a clean slate to their current starters. I still think Chip Kelly will package his qB in a trade to move up and get his college Qb, but that’s pure speculation.

  50. I have this sneaking suspicion that Chip Kelly didnt just think Bradford was a better quarterback but knew who his roommate was in college before inking this deal….

  51. In my opinion Bradford had (has?) top 5 QB skills. He posted pretty damn good #s when healthy behind some bad offensive lines with mediocre WRs. He was sacked a lot but it would have been even worse had he not gotten rid of the ball quick. I don’t believe he’s “soft” as I’m pretty sure he was one of the most hit qb’s per games played. Just cause he’s been injured multiple times doesn’t make him “soft”. I Think his talent is better than Foles even though I liked Foles and wish him the best. Can Bradford stay healthy? Big IF! All that aside here’s some food for thought: The eagles could extend his contract and spread out the money he would get this year, lowering his cap hit. that would make him more tradeable in a package to move up in the draft. So if he doesn’t play for the Eagles this year at all (if traded) they only give up a 4th round pick. Nothing I’ve read specified it had to be by injury. If it plays out like that Kelly would look pretty good. But who knows.

  52. What people fail to account for is the talent that each Foles and Bradford had around them in their careers. Bradford had no line, no tight ends, no receiver, only Steven Jackson for a few years.

    Foles had a tremendous line in front of him (struggled when they were banged up last year), an all pro rb, one year of Sproles, good pass catching tight ends, and DeSean Jackson one year and Jeremy Maclin the next.

    McCoy, Maclin and Jackson all had career years in Kelly’s offense. I believe that with the stable of running backs 3, talented tight ends (Celek, Ertz, and Burton), and last year’s rookie receive Matthews in another year of the system and they only need a receiver like Dwayne Bowe or Cecil Shorts to be successful. Also beware of Huff, he’s got the ability to be explosive (107 yard return last year and 44 yard reception in limited time)

    Chip’s offense will produce yards.

  53. Its funny all the haters out there, there was 1 team that called about Foles and half the league called about Bradford. Foles is happy to leave Philly, so he can start his next career.

  54. This is such an ESPN-ish question. On Tuesday, a mere couple of hours into the FA signing period, and on a day where the flurry of transactions represented a Sports organization’s dream….the stories spoke for themselves…a day where fluff and hyperbolae were completely unnecessary. On THAT day, before the dust had even stirred up enough to even think about settling….ESPN runs a teaser about “free agency winners and losers” How in the bleep can you have a discussion about winners and losers when the “game” just started?

  55. Philly got a Hall of Fame potential, but can he stay healthy. I doubt the Rams thought Kurt Warner would eventually lead Arizona to the Super Bowl when they let that injury prone QB leave. I doubt New England knew that Jim Plunkett was capable of leading the Raiders to two Super Bowls when they let him leave. Time will tell. We’re all geniuses today.

  56. Too early to tell but bigger point is this is a FAR riskier trade for the Eagles. They need Bradford to stay healthy and play very well–and he’s struggled with both those things. That is the only way they come out ahead. He gets hurt, they lose. He stays healthy but is just okay, they still lose because $13 million is way too much for “just okay.”

    The Rams have multiple ways to come out ahead: They win if Foles plays like he did for most of his time in Philly because he’s making chump change right now. If he struggles they’re still just fine because they’re not paying him much and they could even use that second round pick they got to draft his replacement… or sign a free agent for the money they saved by dumping Bradford’s salary.

  57. Kelly made the trade because he could! He had Foles, who he absolutely didn’t want and sent him packing to get Bradford. He now has the choice of going with Bradford or possibly moving up to get Mariota which he wants to do. Kelly does not want the $13M salary or $16M cap hit but will go with it if he can’t get Mariota. With Mariota now falling because of pro day, Kelly has excellent chance to get him.

  58. This offense made Mark Sanchez look like something resembling an NFL quarterback. Nick Foles was a 3rd round pick for a reason, and it’s a credit to Chip’s offense that it ran so well with such an average talent at QB. Sam Bradford coming out was considered an elite QB prospect. The Eagles believe they are better at keeping players healthy than other teams because of their sports science based approach to managing player health, and the data suggest they are right. Lastly, with apologies to Teddy Brusch, who’s just dead wrong on this, Bradford (4.78 40) can put more pressure on teams with his legs than Foles (4.95 40), he’s just not been asked to do that. Bradford’s skill set is well suited to this offense. This trade will be a win for the Eagles.

  59. I think it’s pretty telling that Chip referred to Bradford multiple times saying ” the kid is wired the right way.” That’s a bankhanded shot a Foles. Aquiring Bradford for anything of real value is a very risky proposition. Kelly obviously thinks (and Philly fan is praying) that Bradford has the bigger upside. Bradford clearly needs to stay on the field and perform better in Act 2 of his career or it will be his last.

  60. its not even close the Rams ripped off Philly …the only reason few people think its to early to tell is because Chip Kelley is the one pulled the trigger…the fact is Bradford has missed 30 plus games in his short career so far..plus Chip gave up a 2nd round pick in 2016…how can you even think oh we have to wait to see who won this trade…EVERY TRADE YOU HAVE TO WAIT…SO WHY EVEN ASK THAT QUESTION…but for now who got the best of it on paper its not even close…

  61. Using your logic I guess Ryan Leaf has more talent to play QB than Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc. Completely foolish to even bring up their draft status after a few years in the NFL.

  62. Both will suck and the Rams will draft mediocre players with the pick they obtained from the trade. Then Fisher will send those picks out for the coin toss next time he plays the Eagles. The only problem is the guy who made the trade for the Eagles Chip will be back in college by that time.

  63. Draft picks and cap space is like haggling nickles and dimes for a quarter back.

    Can’t fault Chip for unloading 30 cents in change for what he feels is a more useful 25 cent coin.

  64. Chip Did not Mesh With Foles Personality. Foles is not a Fast talking, and is not a Sensor like Chip Is. Bradford is more Sanchez Esque in his demeanor.

    :I think it’s pretty telling that Chip referred to Bradford multiple times saying ” the kid is wired the right way.” That’s a bankhanded shot a Foles.

  65. Its not a matter of Foles not being Wired Right, hes an NFL Starting QB, im pretty sure he is Wired right otherwise he wouldnt have made it this far… It was just a personality conflict between Chip and Him thats all really..

  66. “He now has the choice of going with Bradford or possibly moving up to get Mariota which he wants to do.”

    So, some team is going to give up that high a draft pick for Sam Bradford? Essentially deciding to trade Bradford straight up for Mariota? Best of luck with that. But if that was still part of Chip’s plans it sure would be nice to have that second round pick back he sent to the Rams, wouldn’t it?

  67. well it has to be the rams right? I mean kelly does not know what he is doing does he? shipping out those big money contracts so he can bring in players the likes of of demarco murry and alonso and and matthews and wait a min. maybe he does have a plan after all!

  68. Shipping out those “big money contracts”, so he can ship in bigger ones? Mccoy signed a new deal for less than Murray, was never approached by the Eagles to restructure, Foles makes almost 12 million less than Bradford. The Eagles are working on a new deal for Bradford, but he holds all the leverage. They just traded draft picks and Foles for him…so this 13 million is pretty much guaranteed. You can’t cut him, you can’t trade him. Kelly doesn’t know what he is doing, seems like he is pretty much going down the alphabet and offering contracts. Who’s after Gore, ah yes Mathews, got him who is next…yup there it is, Murray, did we offer a tender to Polk. How much is that tied up between Murray, Sproles, Mathews, and Polk?

  69. Too early to tell. I always thought Sam could be a helluva QB, and thought he was showing signs of stepping into that, but he keeps getting held back by injury.

    Nick goes into a good situation, in that their D is excellent, but not many weapons on offense. Well see how much he was a product of Kelly’s system, or not.

  70. Who won the Sam Bradford trade?????

    Whoever didn’t end up with Sam Bradford.

    Throw in a 2nd round pick and someone got completely jacked.

  71. While the injury concerns are major,to compare them as players based on performance is slightly unfair. Foles played with a 1st Team All Pro RB,2 1st Team All Pro Ofeensive Lineman as well as 2 Pro Bowl Wide Receivers during his time in Philly. Bradford has NEVER had that type of talent around him,while healthy in St.Louis.

  72. Sam If Bradford. Even when Bradford was healthy he was ok at best. Everyone keeps saying if Bradford… If the queen had balls, she’d be king!

  73. Kelly traded Foles because he wasn’t his guy and plans to use Bradford as probably a backup (that’s about all he can handle because he’s usually injured and out for the season). While Foles may have had injuries he is much more durable than Bradford and I’m sure is thrilled to be out of Philly . As a Card fan, I would have preferred the Rams stay with Bradford because with the right defense and a decent O-line, Foles offers more of a threat than Bradford ever did.
    I see Kelly loading up with a lot of good talent because he has the Cap money and wants trade bait to get the guy he really wants in the draft…his boy from Oregon, Marcus. Here’s hoping the Titans or Redskins take him first so watching the ensuing temper tantrum… guaranteed…priceless!

  74. Considering that, and considering that Foles’s career passer rating is 94.2 while Bradford’s is 79.3, and considering that Bradford’s injury history is significant, it’s hard to see what Kelly is thinking.

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    Wanna bet that those numbers and the players’ injury histories are reversed if it were Bradford who started his career with the Eagles and Foles who started his career with the Rams?

  75. Always remember the Golden Rule: He who has the Gold rules.

    So, whoever got the most money – – – won.

  76. On paper? The Rams. But if you include the fact that Bradford helped the Eagles land Murray, the Eagles take the cake.

    The problem is that’s all just on paper. Nobody knows how things will work out, who would be drafted, etc.

  77. This is dumb. At first, everyone thought the Colts had fleeced the Browns for Trent Richardson, and we all know what happened there…

  78. If Bradford can stay healthy, he’s probably the better QB but that’s a big, big IF. Hopefully those ACL tears were just flukes but neither of them happened on heavy contact plays. I’d be nervous as hell as an Eagles fan.

  79. Bradford will NEVER post a season like Nick Foles’ 2013. Mark my words, no matter how long he plays in Chip Kelly’s vaunted offense, no one will ever run it better than that. He was Manning-esque that year, unstoppable.

    Chip just forgot about that apparently. Fast talking, fat lizard head.

  80. As a casual observer this deal doesn’t make any sense for the Eagles. Unless they are going to parlay Bradford into something else on draft day. On paper, Jamarcus Russell was going to be better than Tom Brady – uh….

    Bradford is not even going to be ready at the start of the season. He had a significant injury that needs to heal. When it does heal he has to get over the fact that he could be injured again at any time and has to work through playing without being timid.

    The question is, what did Foles do to get on Chips bad side?

  81. Maybe Foles complained about the McCoy trade, hard to say. My guess is Kelly just wants his own total imprint on the team roster.

    The smart money is obviously the Rams getting the better of the trade. Foles had the best QBR year before last, and his injury, a fractured collar bone is unlikely to be repeated, whereas, Bradford’s 2 knee injuries are not a good indication of his future health. Bradford injured himself last year in pre-season, without being touched by anyone. That’s pretty bad. He didn’t even last a few games. How is he going to last a whole season?

  82. tonebones says:
    Mar 13, 2015 10:26 AM
    Philly got a Hall of Fame potential, but can he stay healthy. I doubt the Rams thought Kurt Warner would eventually lead Arizona to the Super Bowl when they let that injury prone QB leave.

    That’s not as good comparison. Warner had already won a Super Bowl and appeared in another one. he had been a proven commodity so the Cardinals got him. Bradford hasn’t done anything, so there is much less reason for Philly to want him.

  83. This is in long retrospect.
    The Eagles won this trade in a landslide
    Foles is an Eagle today and will start in Super Bowl LII

    The Eagles got him back as a free agent.
    They further traded Bradford for a #1 draft pick

    Go Birds!

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