Ravens play the long game with compensatory picks

AP

Some teams use free agency to add expensive players and make instant upgrades to their rosters. In Baltimore they take a very different approach.

The Ravens focus on drafting well and retaining most of the good players they draft, but declining to get into bidding wars to keep their own players while also declining to spend a lot of money to attract players away from other teams. As a result, the Ravens are always among the league leaders in compensatory picks.

The NFL’s compensatory pick formula is complex and not released to the public, but the basics are that teams get compensatory picks in the following year’s draft if they lose more expensive players than they sign in free agency. The bigger the losses in free agency, the better the compensatory picks. That means the Ravens, who have already lost five free agents (receiver Torrey Smith, pass rusher Pernell McPhee, safety Darian Stewart, tight end Owen Daniels and quarterback Tyrod Taylor) and not signed any free agents away from other teams, will get a lot of compensatory picks next year.

This year’s compensatory picks haven’t been awarded yet, but the Ravens had an NFL-high four compensatory picks last year, and an NFL-high four compensatory picks the year before. The Ravens have received more compensatory picks than any other team since the NFL implemented compensatory picks in 1994 — even though the Ravens franchise didn’t exist for the first two years after compensatory picks began. Wisely gaming the system to garner the maximum amount of compensatory picks has been a hallmark of Ozzie Newsome’s tenure as the Ravens’ G.M.

It helps that Newsome is also smart about drafting players good enough to contribute when he uses those compensatory picks. Seven of the eight compensatory picks the Ravens have had in the last two years were spent on players who are still on the roster. It’s a lot easier to build roster depth when you’re consistently getting more draft picks than other teams, and consistently using those picks on players who are good enough to make your team.

So while it may look like the Ravens got worse during the first week of free agency, that’s short-term thinking. The Ravens are thinking about the long term, and about the players they’ll draft next year thanks to the players they lost this year.

102 responses to “Ravens play the long game with compensatory picks

  1. It’s interesting to see how the FA’s do on their new teams – Miami gave Dannell Ellerbee huge money after SB47 and just dumped him to the Saints and that’s typical – better to make headlines in January than March

  2. And they flipped Ngata for a 4th & 5th round pick while other teams are just receiving 5th or 6th round picks for just as talented players.

    Ozzie is playing chess while other GMs are playing checkers.

  3. So while it may look like the Ravens got worse during the first week of free agency, that’s short-term thinking…. (It’s) about the players they’ll draft next year. – Words every GM should learn, especially the GM for the Detroit Lions.

  4. The OZ method produces a consistently competitive franchise. Playing catch up with overpaid free agents is a losing proposition.

  5. The NFL uses the Compensatory Picks much like Pass Interference & Holding, to sway the dynamics of the game in the direction they choose. That is the reason they keep the pick “formula” a secret…because it includes a factor for “League’s Preference”.

  6. How is a former Brown, and GM of the former Browns so good at the draft and the current Browns so terrible at it. Modell really screwed Browns fans more than even he knew.

  7. 49ers will also be getting a decent haul of compensatory picks after this year’s FA frenzy.

  8. Ravens will always be a joke to the nfl there is a reason they arent good anymore building though the draft is hard since most players are pot heads

  9. It’s a tried and true approach, but that doesn’t mean fans don’t get antsy watching other team signing glittery FAs, even though the fans should know many, perhaps most, of those signings are going to be unsuccessful or for too much.

    I think one thing that does not get enough credit in evaluating FA strategies is effect of coaching. There aren’t that many players who have dramatically superior skills relative to other players in this League. Teams that coach well don’t have to always try to get the best player, which would be at high cost, to be able to win, they have to get solid players. Look at the teams that dominate playoffs year in and year out and you will see good coaching as much as, if not more than, superior players overall. I’m not talking about trick plays, but rather solid positional coaching, offensive and defensive schemes, and in-game adjustments.

  10. Ozzie and the Ravens have modeled themselves after the New England Patriots. Belichick is close to Ozzie and Bisciotti, both teams are the absolute best keeping their teams competitive each and every season. No way i’d panic over the player losses this offseason. The Ravens will still be in the playoff hunt.

  11. Ozzie is the best GM in the league and Eric DeCosta is very good at picking players. Some Ravens free agents should have been retained, though. Ben Grubbs leaps to mind. Pro Bowl guard every year and seldom misses a game. One thing that everyone missed on the Ngata trade is that if they had kept him and he went as a free agent next year, he would probably be good for a 2017 third round pick. So they get a fourth round pick this year but lose a third in 2017.

  12. Ozzie is playing with criminals while other GMs are playing checkers.

    There I fixed it for you. Also why do so many rats jump from the Baltimore ship every year….oh yea it must be the water.

  13. wilmyers09 says: Mar 14, 2015 12:14 PM

    Ravens will always be a joke to the nfl there is a reason they arent good anymore building though the draft is hard since most players are pot heads
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    Ah, the fantasy land some of you occupy must be really cozy.

  14. I’ve got a ton of respect for Ozzie, and think he’s probably the best GM in the league. But he’s also fortunate that he doesn’t have a trigger-happy owner looking over his shoulder. My guess is that a lot more GMs would do what Ozzie and Ted Thompson do if their owners would let them.

  15. The compensatory picks often allow teams to splurge on a luxury item like a punter, placekicker, or special teams maven.
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  16. The key to this though is that the Ravens draft well and Harbaugh can develop these players. A fact often overlooked as they did this without as much success under Billick too.

    But it is a chicken or the egg type of situation as Eric Decosta pointed out. It’s not that the Ravens know more than all the other teams when it comes to picking these guys, they just have more swings at the plate.

    So are they successful because they have the opportunity to take a pernell McPhee in the fifth round? Or did they take Pernell simply because they address thier needs earlier and had the luck to do it?

    It goes hand in hand really as without the comp picks they can’t take fliers on guys like Wagner or McPhee or jyschck, or even busts like john Simon or Gino gradkowski.

    Still at the end of the day it works and as a Ravens fan I can really say I’m thankful for it.

  17. yyc2phx says:
    Mar 14, 2015 12:18 PM
    **WRITER**…. I would love to see how the comp picks turned out vs players lost
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    …and cap space saved.

  18. What is really important and under-appreciated is the excellent job some teams’ scouting departments do. Take the Ravens, and all the guys they get with compensatory picks, not to mention their regular picks…And look at other teams who seems to constantly draft poorly…Apparently they have scouts who year after year fail to properly identify talent, and the front office never fixes the core problem.

  19. This is an excellent article. I didn’t know this about Baltimore, nor does it seem that the compensatory picks are common knowledge. Thank you for sharing this info.

  20. I believe 4 is the max picks you can receive and if a player plays out their contract then it doesn’t count towards the compensatory picks it only counts if you sign players that got cut or are restricted. Compensatory picks can not be traded either. Its a smart strategy…say you only need 2-3 players in FA. I would just let my guys walk but the good ones that will sign a good value contract and if you end up with 2-4th and 2-5th in picks then I would trade my actual 5, 6, 7 picks to teams that want to dump good players on a bad contract…they will fill a need and when their contract is up you will probably get a better draft pick for them. its a good system if you can draft well.

  21. Can Ozzie give lessons to other GM’s for a little $$?
    OK, but Reese who record drafting is from 2008-2012 picked 38 players, of which only 8 players might be on the roster in 2015.
    He makes mess, and Mara doesn’t see that the recent FA players are all “fill in’s” due to his poor ability to pick good players.
    One thing I’m positive of is Mara will see “the light” if we miss the playoffs for another year.
    Coughlin is not the problem, but Reese is, and his record is proof.
    Good luck Ozzie your a good GM and solid person, maybe you could come to NY?
    CT GIANT

  22. A winning formula and a successful franchise. Their in the mix every year and their stadium is packed for every home game. Ravens, Packers & Patriots understand the value of their own better than any other teams out there. It starts at the top.

  23. wilmyers09 says: Mar 14, 2015 12:14 PM

    Ravens will always be a joke to the nfl there is a reason they arent good anymore building though the draft is hard since most players are pot heads.

    How else are you gonna build a team? Free Agency is overpaying players that other teams feel can be replaced for a fraction of the cost and this is a failed method?

  24. Nofoolnodrool says: Mar 14, 2015 12:24 PM

    Ozzie is playing with criminals while other GMs are playing checkers.

    There I fixed it for you. Also why do so many rats jump from the Baltimore ship every year….oh yea it must be the water
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    Show any respect for a GM who keeps his team competitive year in and year out? Nope, take shots instead. And you have the gall to call other people trolls

  25. What’s the common theme of teams that can afford to be patient in the draft, and not chase FAs?

    Stability at QB

    Packers-Rodgers
    Steelers- Rothlesburger
    Ravens-Flacco
    Pats-Brady

    Most of the other teams are signing guys to make up for the fact they don’t have a franchise level QB.

  26. Seattle has quietly moved into the Compensatory Picks club the past couple of seasons, as other teams poach the players the team can’t afford under cap rules.

    Their two biggest “free agency” acquisitions this year, Graham and Cary Williams, do not count against compensatory picks, because one was traded and the other cut. Meanwhile, other teams are giving guys like Byron Maxwell and James Carpenter contracts that ensure the Seahawks obtain compensatory picks for their free agency losses.

    Underneath it all, compensatory picks are really helping the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. As long as bad teams keep paying big bucks to free agent signees instead of trying to develop their own talent, they’re going to be helping the good teams reload their rosters.

  27. There is also an informative article on the Ravens’ site that shows how the overwhelming majority of guys they let go who signed big deals never really reached the same level of success they had with the Ravens.

  28. I really hate the compensatory picks as a whole. They’re entire existence is created off of a loophole used by stubborn GM’ s who purposefully do not bring in free agents just so they can get picks. YES I KNOW, it is a system that all have the ability to take advantage of but, it works in the favor of those teams who get awarded a lot of compensatory picks, far to much. Take the Ravens for example, everyone claims Ozzy Newsome is one of, if not, the best GM in the NFL today at drafting player personnel. Over the past two seasons they’ve had 8 compensatory picks. With those picks it enables teams who already have a solid foundation far to much ease in retaining that foundation. If every year you decide to let your players walk because you as the owner and GM decided that that player was not worth the contract, why should you get anything for that? Okay, someone drives up his price because they value that player more than you and now you cant match that contract and in turn your free agent gets snagged away. Why do they not have the ability to resign that player? For instance, the Ravens last year let Kruger walk because he received an offer from the Browns that the Ravens, simply could not match. Why in the world should the Ravens be compensated for having Kruger get “taken” from them? If the player is that valuable to your team or that irreplaceable you are going to pay him the money to stay. Obviously one of two things happened, one, they didn’t think he was worth that money or two, they couldn’t afford him. The second scenario is a direct result of the team having no cap space bc of their decisions to pay their other players. Why should the Ravens or any other team be rewarded for having poor cap management? Of course Ozzy can appear to be the best when every year he is given 4 extra picks. Those picks give you a lot of wiggle room in the ultimate game of whether or not you’re able to pick quality players in the NFL draft. If I have the chance to let players walk bc I mismanaged my cap number (cough cough Joe Flacco) and in return I’m going to be given potentially a third rounder (I think with a deep draft like this one we can all see that true value a little more) I’m going to let them walk too and just say “screw it the NFL is gonna give me a possible stud from the draft anyway”. If you hit on a player with those comp picks then is it truly fair to keep handing these teams picks? All it takes is to hit on one of those comp picks and you’re set at a position for a few years. That doesn’t include the picks you normally have in the draft on top of those comp picks. 75% of the teams who have won the super bowl since this pick system was created have been in the top 10 in comp picks since that system has been put into works? I think that in Itself creates an unfair advantage. Of course, every team has the right to do this but what if it’s a team like the skins who just simply cannot rely on rookies for the time being due to so many glaring holes so in turn are almost forced to bring in free agent help. I think I could draft a successful team if I had extra picks every year. Makes it a lot easier to hide your mistakes! Maybe the redskins have just not been making the right decisions but it almost seems like this system keeps certain teams hands tied a little. No conspiracy against us at all but it does start to look odd when teams continually are winning and they’re the same teams taking advantage of this system the most.

  29. Nofoolnodrool says: Mar 14, 2015 12:24 PM

    Ozzie is playing with criminals while other GMs are playing checkers.

    There I fixed it for you. Also why do so many rats jump from the Baltimore ship every year….oh yea it must be the water
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    Show any respect for a GM who keeps his team competitive year in and year out? Nope, take shots instead. And you have the gall to call other people trolls

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    Lost your sense of humor, you thin skin getting thinner, can dish it but can’t take it. Your false reverence for someone who lies about spousal abuse and hires and protects criminals is pathetic and it takes gall to question why he shouldn’t get respect.

  30. Ozzie proves he can take a comp pick and turn him into a pro bowl right tackle or a comp pick and turn him into McPhee who gets big money but will return a better comp pick. The trolls on here know that Pitt, NE, GB, are hated because they know how to play the game on and off the field.

  31. Ozzie should use the fourth round pick he got for Ngata and make a play for Cordarrelle Patterson. It seems the Vikings have lost faith in him to develop and he became more expendable with the Mike Wallace trade. Patterson and Torrey Smith are pretty much the same receiver, He’d be a great replacement for Torrey.

  32. Unfortunately, in today’s pass happy NFL, Ozzie Newsome can’t seem to draft a receiver to save his life. Ravens better add one or two in free agency before they’re gone. Asking 36 year old Steve Smith to carry the load is not a great plan.

  33. The other reason that the Ravens haven’t signed free agents is that they are trying to extricate themselves from salary cap hell and they couldn’t afford to keep Haloti Ngata, Torrey Smith, Pernell McPhee, et al.
    Make no mistake Ozzie has to have a really good Draft or the team will decline significantly this year.

  34. Here’s why compensatory picks are so valuable. The Ravens 2014 compensatory picks: Crockett Gilmore (now starting TE), Brent Urban (DE. IR in training camp), Lorenzo Taliaferro (#2 rb), and John Urshel (G, started and dominated at RG when Yanda was moved to RT to replace injured Rick Wagner). The Ravens 2013 compensatory picks: Rick Wagner (starting RT), Kyle Juszczyk (starting FB), Ryan Jensen (backup guard and center); Marc Anthony (cb, waived at end of training camp). That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you build a team that has won 2 Super Bowls and has been in the playoffs 7 of the last 9 seasons.

  35. “Packers do the same thing. Thompsons first round picks typically suck is all.”
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    What Thompson has received with his 1st round picks:

    Aaron Rodgers
    A.J. Hawk
    Justin Harrell
    Traded back 6 spots to get Jordy Nelson
    B.J. Raji
    Clay Matthews
    Bryan Bulaga
    Derek Sherrod
    Nick Perry
    Datone Jones
    Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

    Looks like a damn good 1st round resume to me.

  36. I don’t like the secret formula because it’s asinine like the QB rating. Plus it seems like the same teams … I’m looking at you PACKERS always get higher or more compensatory picks than you would expect.

  37. I’m pretty sure the Niners will have them beat by the time this is all said and done…

  38. This year’s offseason FA acquisitions could be this years regular season busts. Look at how Miami & Tampa “won” the offseason 2 years ago and many of those players have been shipped out. All thins equal it is Better to keep your own players who you know so well. Draft is such a crapshoot for EVERY TEAM, that is why the good franchise subscribe to that Jimmy Johnson philosophy of quantity of picks is so important…if you have a 30% success rate with draft and make 9 picks you end up with 3 players, if you have 6 picks you end up with 2 players….

  39. “Tom Brady was a compensatory pick… Just saying.”

    He was a compensatory pick in the 6th round, which effectively means he was the equivalent of a 7th round pick.

    He was kept on the roster as the fourth QB (Belichick usually keeps only two).

    Teams like the Pats and Ravens don’t just get extra picks they develop the guys they pick. They build and develop their roster, top to bottom; they don’t buy it like Woody is doing in New Jersey and Ross is doing in Miami this year.

  40. He’s a great GM but the shine has lost it’s lister with so many character and work eithic risks not panning out anymore. Oz benefited from Ray keeping guys in line and forcing them to become good pros. The past few years have seen plenty of misses that didn’t happen before.

  41. Broncos will have 3 probably 4 of those picks this year because of all the players they lost after losing superbowl 48

  42. someone get ahold of hazmat and tell him if he wants to build a first rate organization to trade everybody for ozzie…. as GM you can then start …

  43. Ozzie is a smart dude. He and Ted Thompson have very similar philosophies and it has served the Ravens and Packers well. Get into the playoffs on a consistent basis and hope you can make a run at a Winning a SB, which they both have.

  44. gregfelts85, There is this thing called “league rules” and it is put into place to keep a balanced league. Why should a small market team be at a disadvantage to a large market team when it comes to signing and keeping free agents. The same goes for owners who made or inherited more money than they could ever spend. You seem, as a Redskins fan upset that your owner can’t seem to figure it out and build a team like the perennial winners do, that is through the draft and with intelligent spending. Your owner keeps chasing his tail with the same results. The blueprint is there for all to see, all any front office needs to do is bit the bullet in the short term instead of trying to build instant success with coin as they have done in other businesses. I’ve often said building a championship NFL team is about finding 53 good football players who will take less than market value to play for your team. That starts with the DRAFT.

  45. Very good GM, but the best is clearly in New England. You don’t get more consistent than this: since 2001, New England has finished first, or tied for first, every season (lost division on tie breaker in 2002 and in 2008); 12 out of 14 seasons in the playoffs; 9 AFC Championship Game appearances; 6 Super Bowl appearances; 4 Super Bowl titles. They’ve done all this despite drafting in the last part of the round in virtually every season. They consistently stay out of salary cap jail which is why they NEVER have an off year. They are a winning machine. So sure, Ozzie does a great job, in fact better than most. But make no mistake, the gold standard for roster building is New England.

  46. Nofoolnodrool says: Mar 14, 2015 12:24 PM

    Lost your sense of humor, you thin skin getting thinner, can dish it but can’t take it. Your false reverence for someone who lies about spousal abuse and hires and protects criminals is pathetic and it takes gall to question why he shouldn’t get respect
    **************

    ….says the fan of the organization that just gave their rapist QB a multi-year $100m+ extension.

  47. The author failed to mention that Ravens lose players and build players, yet are in the playoffs every year in the toughest division in football. Also they are stars when Ravens because they are coached better, they are average with other teams.

    Adailus Thomas taken by the Patriots – Average
    Ellerbee taken by the Dophins – Average

    The Patriots don’t draft as well, but they don’t have to because the Bills, Jets and Dolphins do a terrible job and they have no QB. Patriots are in the playoffs every year because the division is so weak.

  48. The dead Cap space problem of $15M for the Ravens is from Ray Rice and Dennis Pitta injury. Ozzie is doing an incredible job considering that that much is tied up in things that couldn’t be expected.

  49. Or getting a lot of compensatory draft picks means you draft poorly and prefer not to retain those busts you drafted. Ozzie Newsome is extremely overrated, he’s drafted one pro bowl player in the last six years.

  50. This year, Belichick shrewdly added to the Patriots draft war chest. He netted a third round compensatory pick by letting Talib go, and signing Revis. He also received Tampas 4th when he unloaded Logan Mankins massive salary cap hit. And 2016 will be a good haul for compensatory picks. The loss of Revis will be another third round pick. Browner and Sheard will be a wash with near identical salaries. But mid season pickups Ayers and Casillas will both receive compensatory picks. Shane Vereen will receive another. Over the Cap predicts one 3rd and 3 sixth rounders for 2016. And Revis, Ayers, and Casillas all played a year or less.

  51. swagger52 says:
    Mar 14, 2015 2:34 PM
    The dead Cap space problem of $15M for the Ravens is from Ray Rice and Dennis Pitta injury. Ozzie is doing an incredible job considering that that much is tied up in things that couldn’t be expected
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    Dennis Pitta is still on the roster to the best of my knowledge. so there is no dead space for him. But the cap charge for him is $6.2 mil this year. And you failed to mention that the Ravens will carry $7.5 mil in dead money for trading Ngata.

  52. Yes it could be true that the Ravens draft well because they have a lot of picks but aside from the draft please note the undrafted free agents they select. A few names Bart Scott, Dannell Ellerbe, Justin Tucker, Marlon Brown, James Hurst, Cary Williams (he was released as an UDFA by the Titans) and a few more. Their scouts do a great job finding nuggets both in the draft and as free agents.

  53. Fanasaurus, the fact of a team coming from a small market compared to a large market doesn’t really have any bearing in compensatory picks. My whole argument is that teams who are continually “bottom dwellers” such as the skins, raiders, buccaneers, jags, etc usually have many more glaring weaknesses in their teams when being compared to teams like the ravens, pats, packers, seahawks, eagles, etc. These “bottom dwelling” teams can not possibly take a single draft and turn a team around. It requires the help from free agency. It’s unrealistic and unfair for the NFL or for any owner to say “were just going to chalk these next couple years up to failure” so that we can get comp picks. This entire comp system has created a giant loophole that GM’S that are on top, can remain on top. Once you build a base and don’t have 10 glaring spots that you need to fill than picking up extra comp picks is really an easy decision. Of course when you don’t have a huge amount of holes to fill than you can get away with not bringing anyone in. To ask a team with glaring holes all over their starting lineup to not bring in any help is career suicide for any team. No GM can turn 10 picks into 10 studs. Even the best GM doesn’t come close to that. It’s just a system that is flawed is all I’m saying. People claim Oz doesn’t bring in help because of his desire to get talent through the draft. That is only realistic if you are in the position those few teams are in. To ask teams who are historically not as successful to approach an offseason the same way is impossible without just picking people and hoping your team can start with 10 rookies. That won’t fly in the nfl, from a competitive standpoint or a business. Again, that’s the loophole. Not that Ozzy is a cheat for utilizing them, it’s just a system that not everyone does, as much as everyone wants to believe, get to utilize the same amount.

  54. Dallas may well have 4 this year unless they make a big signing.McFadden does not count against the picks as his salary is so low. At this point they have 4.

  55. Only Steeler trolls show up crowing on a Ravens’ article after getting their tails handed to them in their own house. I respect the hell out of the Steelers front office as well as their staff and players for all but two games a year but that concept is well beneath these mongoloids. Respect to the true Steeler fans like Deb, etc.

  56. “The Patriots don’t draft as well, but they don’t have to because the Bills, Jets and Dolphins do a terrible job and they have no QB. Patriots are in the playoffs every year because the division is so weak.”

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    ….Then they beat everyone in the playoffs. Are they weak too? Paper thin argument.

  57. NFL has been rewarding teams with comp picks for about 20 years. The Ravens have the most with 40. That’s 8 more the 2nd best team. Example- They drafted P. Mcphee with a comp pick. He played for 4 years. They just lost him and will get another pick to reload.

  58. gregfelts85, on your 1st point on small/large markets, what I was saying is that it takes “cash on hand” real dollars to make a big signing, like the one Miami did with Sue. A owner in a small market is less likely to be able to do this, asset rich, cash poor.
    On your 2nd point, that a team can’t turn a team around on only one draft. When Belicheck took over the Pats in the beginning, he had a lousy roster. He had the cap room to go sign two or so big name players. Instead of that he signed like 7 to 9 middle of the road players and built through the draft and won a Super Bowl in two years. He and Mr. Kraft have taken that approach since and look how it’s worked. Look at this year and their free agent pickups. So yes you can fix a team in the relative short time or you can do as those who try to buy their way out of being a bottom dweller and then spin their wheels and just stay there.
    Which is better, suffering a few years of non competitive performance or staying there a decade or more. It has been proven that you can’t buy your way to success in the NFL. It takes a multiple system approach to team building, an owner who hires a good coach and stays the hell out of letting the man he hired from running the team. Good drafting, and sensible cap management in roster building by not over paying for players. The NFL is a copy cat league and their are numerous teams who have risen from the bottom of the league and non have done it with free agency, the best example of late is Seattle.

  59. howiehandles says:
    Mar 14, 2015 12:54 PM
    What’s the common theme of teams that can afford to be patient in the draft, and not chase FAs?

    Stability at QB

    Packers-Rodgers
    Steelers- Rothlesburger
    Ravens-Flacco
    Pats-Brady

    Most of the other teams are signing guys to make up for the fact they don’t have a franchise level QB.
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    The thing with the Ravens is they were pretty good for years even with instability at the QB position. Elvis Grbac, a run down Steve Mcnair, Trent Dilfer…..etc…..they won with all them. Amazing.

  60. @ 6thsense- I would argue they didn’t win for long. Dilfer played in about 11 games. McNair had 1 good season. Grbac, not so much.

  61. The Ravens franchise DID exist before ’94. Funny when they talk about the Browns’ history and add the stats of the older Browns to the new Browns. Those older stats belong to the Ravens. The Browns are the new franchise! The Ravens have a long history.

  62. taylormaximus says:
    Mar 14, 2015 12:03 PM
    Hope they sign Crabtree to replace Torreysmith or move up in the draft to take a WR AFC is loaded we can’t compete with just Steve Smith
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    You’ve missed the point of the post.

  63. that’s the benefit of drafting well.

    ‘next man up, extra bonus on the back end

  64. I wonder how much is Ozzie and how much is De Costa, the latter looks very talented as well.
    This year might finally catch up this startegy, hard to believe all holes will be filled by rookies.
    WR, DT CB just to name a few.

  65. Dallas is getting 4 next next year and had 3 last year( I believe) Next year could work out to an extra
    3,4,5, and 6.. not bad
    Stephen is smart!

  66. You have to draft well to begin with to have FA’s other teams will overspend on. Ozzie hasn’t missed on very many draft picks.

    Organizational philosophy and being consistent with that philosophy is what endures. Players come and go.

    The only thing I would question in Baltimore is whether Flacco is really worth the big cap hit every year. He is still capable of having an ugly game (@ Houston. That was painful to watch). His contract was up right after they won the Super Bowl, so they had to pay him. I get it. But they should have worked it so they can have a little more flexibility too. They’ve had to trade/cut some players who could’ve really helped (Anquan) because of that contract.

    Notice how it is always the nonplayoff teams who have plenty of cap space to overspend on FA every year? They just repeat the cycle, until there is an ownership change, which doesn’t happen until the guy dies and his selfish, idiotic kids prove they can’t do any better.

    The priciest FAs in every cycle rarely pay off. Nothing against Miami. But look at what they have done the last few years: They way overspent on that WR from Pittsburgh and he is not even on their team anymore. Now they broke the bank on Suh, which will hurt their cap big time. He is not a big sack guy and is always threatening to get suspended because of his behavior.
    Not the kind of guy you want to take a huge risk with.
    The Miami owner earns his reputation every year for being a little weird, and not having a consistent philosophy. They should have fired their coach. Suh won’t help much if your coach chokes every year.

  67. @squishman_ Everything you said is wrong. Check the facts & history and try again.

  68. @sisQsage- You think Joe is the only QB that has a bad game? You need to watch ALL franchise QBs play more. Brady, Manning, etc. They ALL have bad games.

  69. Asquishman says:
    Mar 14, 2015 7:03 PM
    The Ravens franchise DID exist before ’94. Funny when they talk about the Browns’ history and add the stats of the older Browns to the new Browns. Those older stats belong to the Ravens. The Browns are the new franchise! The Ravens have a long history.

    That’s not how the NFL sees it. It’s their league, we just pay to be entertained by it.

  70. Whadya mean everything I said was wrong? Did not the Browns, in the middle of the night pack up everything and move to Baltimore and re-named themselves the Ravens? Answer: yes. The Ravens are not an expansion team, thus having history that goes back to 1945. The current Browns were an expansion team founded in 1998 and started playing in 1999. I am correctamundo.

  71. Can anyone give me one good reason why the compensatory draft pick formula can’t be released to the public?

    They might as well just say “we pretty much give whatever picks we want to whomever we want based upon how consistently a teams owner colluded to keep his players salaries down and the number of times said owner voted with the commissioner on league issues”.

  72. The Browns never left. They were “deactivated” for 3 years. Then Ravens were a “new expansion” team, born in ’96. You can’t argue with the facts or history, sorry.

  73. @notwhoyothink- Another uneducated statement from a fan. Joe’s cap hit for this year is 15th among QBs. If you want to win as many games as Joe does, you have to pay him. Ozzie knows what he’s doing.

  74. @squishman- Now I know you’re confused. The browns didn’t “pack up & leave in the middle of the night”. You have that confused with another team, haha.

  75. Ok Jack the Raven, you don’t say what team I must be thinking of. All you guys do is say I’m wrong, but you don’t get specific how I am wrong. And I remember when they left Cleveland. Pretty sure it was the middle of the night. I don’t think I got that part wrong, but if I did, the rest is still correct. Besides what time of the day or night that they left, how am I wrong?

  76. squishman says: Mar 15, 2015 4:26 PM

    Ok Jack the Raven, you don’t say what team I must be thinking of. All you guys do is say I’m wrong, but you don’t get specific how I am wrong. And I remember when they left Cleveland. Pretty sure it was the middle of the night. I don’t think I got that part wrong, but if I did, the rest is still correct. Besides what time of the day or night that they left, how am I wrong?
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    The fact that part of the deal for Cleveland along with the promise of reactivation in 1999 was that they could keep the Browns’ “logo”, mascot, team colors, and history. When the Ravens left for Baltimore, all they took were the players and coaches. They had to come up with a name, mascot, and uniforms and they had no history of their own. That is why the Ravens are acknowledged as an expansion team, while the Browns aren’t.

  77. Thx pftisfulloftrolls for clarifying why you guys think I’m wrong. I never heard that there was some kind of agreement. I stand corrected.

  78. @squish- The Colts left Baltimore in the middle of the night. Remember, the browns, technically, never left, so there was no move. Google- Baltimore Ravens History. That will offer more insight.

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