Rooney thinks Ravens had “legitimate gripe” about ineligible receiver maneuver

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It’s been a strange week for NFL rivalries.

First, the Bears made a proposal that would address the manner in which the Packers lost the NFC title game, without a chance to possess the ball in overtime.  Now, the Steelers are showing empathy for the Ravens.

Art Rooney II agrees that Baltimore got a raw deal in the playoff game against the Patriots, when the Patriots creatively deployed ineligible and eligible receivers and combined the tactic with a no-huddle offense to confuse the Ravens defense.

“I didn’t think it was handled the right way when they ran the play,” Rooney told the team’s official website.  “We have these rules where a player has to report [to the referee].  The referee is supposed to make sure the defense is notified on who reports.  I thought Baltimore had a legitimate gripe about how that was handled.”

The Competition Committee has proposed requiring any player who reports as ineligible to line up inside the tackle box.  Against the Ravens, New England made running back Shane Vereen ineligible, and then he lined up in the slot.  An apparently ineligible player then ran a pass route while Vereen stayed behind the line of scrimmage.

“Maybe this isn’t the way to address it,” Rooney said.  “The other way would be just to take more time to make sure that the defense understands what is going on.  It’s probably just as easy to eliminate it.”

He’s right, especially since the use of otherwise eligible players in eligible positions (and vice versa) was originally intended to allow teams to reconfigure in the event of injuries to one specific position group.  If that device is going to be used by choice and not by necessity, the NFL must ensure that the defense has a fair opportunity to understand what’s happening, and to counter it.

191 responses to “Rooney thinks Ravens had “legitimate gripe” about ineligible receiver maneuver

  1. Just line up and play. Teams will adjust. The wildcat offense confused teams too. Play ball and quit whining that something isn’t fair.

  2. Fr the 10,000th time, the Patriots’ receivers DID report as ineligible, and the refs DID inform the Ravens defense.

    I was in the nosebleed seats at Gillette and I heard the announcement. I’m quite certain the Ravens players who were on the field must have heard it as well.

  3. It was an awesome bit of coaching, but it’s a loophole and probably should be closed. I don’t want to to see every offense running these play next year in order to get cheap yards.

  4. Quit crying Rooney. You know Tomlin couldn’t come up with anything close to clever.

  5. If the roles in that play were reversed, the Patriots fans would be screaming, wanting draft picks from the Ravens, replay of the game and all kinds of stuff.

  6. Making ineligible receivers line up inside the tackle box seems to go against the NFL priority of limiting injuries.

    Better policies around allowing the defense to adjust and the referees to enforce could infuse creativity into the game as well as limit injuries due to spreading players out.

    I am not a flag football or rugby fan but the game is eventually going to resemble those sports more closely due to player health concerns and the many associated lawsuits down the road.

  7. What NE did was legal under the existing rules. Quit whining. I am not a Pats fan, but I am sick of the knee-jerk whining and crying about anything they do. If Harbaugh or Tomlin had done this, it would have been innovative, but Bill B. does it and its cheating/immoral. Just play the darn game.

  8. Harbaugh and his band of knitwits are still trying to figure out what happened

  9. Good grief. Next they will force Brady to throw left handed if the Patriots are up by more than 10 points. If you can’t beat them then I guess the solution is to add rules (Irsay/Fisher) or change the rules.

  10. Boo hoo. They anouced over the loud speaker who was ineligible and who was eligible every time. I guess the Ravens should’ve been paying attention. Intellegence is part of the sport too.

  11. Cherish the days, PatsNation. It’ll be interesting when Brady retires and the Patriots stop getting all the ‘Golden Boy’ charity calls going their way. It’ll be funny to see how all of you react when your Team is treated like the rest of us…,

  12. Gotta love patriots fans, spending every waking hour trying to defend stained Super Bowl wins.

    It hurts you are the Lance Armstrong of the NFL, we all know it, it absolutely kills you all.

  13. The Pats did everything correctly and in line with the rules of the game. They DID report to refs that Vereeniging would be ineligible and the Ravens WERE told.
    Stop crying. The Pats came up with a new innovation to make it more difficult for defenses to read plays. The rest of the league is free to use the same innovation against the Pats as well. Stop crying and deal with it.

  14. Just another loophole in the rules that is taken advantage of. Like the difference between a pick play and a “rub route”. Pats and Denver seem to use those to their advantage frequently also.

  15. “Maybe this isn’t the way to address it,” Rooney said. “The other way would be just to take more time to make sure that the defense understands what is going on. It’s probably just as easy to eliminate it.”

    I agree completely with Rooney on this – if coaches took more time to ensure their players knew the rules, we wouldn’t need rule changes. Or, you could just tell coaches to stop complaining and make sure their players know what is going on during a game. Eventually, they will either figure it out or get replaced.

    We always talk about how this game is like simulated battle. The players are warriors. The plays are like battlefield tactics. As a soldier, I can tell you that war is EXACTLY about deception and guile. Belichick introduced the Football equivalent of Schwarzkopf’s left hook.

  16. The Rams after the patriots beat them up in the 2001 Super Bowl…. Polian and the colts whining after the patriots man handled them for years…..harbaugh constantly whining about virtually everything Patriots…Now Rooney and the Steelers. Here is an Idea Coach your team up to beat the Patriots on the field, not in the Rules committee.

  17. Umm…considering the ineligible player on the end of the line would be the tackle, wouldn’t they define the end of the tackle box, meaning they’d be in the tackle box regardless?

  18. The Pats should have announced Edelman’s double pass in advance too, just to make it fair for Harbaugh and his defense

  19. This is nothing more than the dumbing down of the NFL. Pretty soon anything that is in the least bit innovative will be tossed out because “it’s just to hard”.

    Any team has the opportunity to use new formation. When the Dolphins unveiled the Wildcat, you didn’t hear the Pats complain that it wasn’t fair. They just did their jobs and figured out how to stop it. Why is this any different. \

    With a little bit of effort teams could have made this formation moot. Instead, the well know group of whiners and complainers decide to legislate innovation out of the game just because their too damned stupid to deal with it themselves.

    This kind of “dumb it down” attitude is what guys like Jeff Fisher still have jobs after just 6 playoff runs in 19 seasons.

    It would be fun to see teams trying to gain an advantage with different LEGAL formations. They’ve been available to teams for over 100 years.

    I guess the “less able” want to make sure that the intelligent and innovative coaches can’t take advantage of them. What’s next get rid of the flea flicker? How about the play action pass? That’s way too hard for some teams to deal with.

    This is a joke instigated by haters who can’t come close to duplicating what the Pats have done the last 15 years. It’s really quite pathetic. I would have expect more from a Rooney. Clearly he’s not dealing with his team’s mediocrity that well.

  20. To the people saying the refs told the Ravens not to cover Vereen, please read the rule book. Ineligible receivers may still catch passes BEHIND the line of scrimmage, which is where Vereen went after the snap.

    The problem with this play, which no Patriots fan seems to understand, was the loophole of having a tight end playing offensive lineman wearing #47, meaning he didn’t have to report as eligible. Cross300 is flat out lying when he says they announced over the loudspeaker who was eligible and who was ineligible. They only announced Vereen, and only about 2 seconds before the snap.

    The plays were legal, but it’s clearly a loophole and one I’m glad my team never stooped to exploit.

  21. Here is an Idea Coach your team up to beat the Patriots on the field, not in the Rules committee

    Here is an idea. Stop trying to circumvent the rules by cheating at every chance possible…I know it’s in the Pats DNA but give it a try.

  22. ravensterps says: Mar 21, 2015 3:10 PM

    The plays were legal, but it’s clearly a loophole and one I’m glad my team never stooped to exploit.
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    Congratulations on your team’s decision not to use legal plays to try to win a football game.

  23. Cry babies they friggin announced in the stadium that #34 was ineligible. john harbough was out coached and the Ravens to dumb to listen to the Ref. Also he vareen was covered up which means he is not eligible. So sick of the lack of intelligence in all aspects of America

  24. There are plenty of opportunities in the NFL for crafty plays without getting in to this style of play. Yes it was legal, no the NFL never intended teams to use the rule in that way.

    It’s a simple decision does the NFL, at this time, want teams to use the rule this way? If so, let it go. If not, change the rule.

    Personally I think it does not match the spirit or the fun of the game, and I love trick plays.

  25. “They only announced Vereen, and only about 2 seconds before the snap.”

    By most accounts it was a minimum of 7 secs and as much as 10 secs for the other plays. How much time would be enough for Harbaugh’s knitwit defense? Even when seeing it three times they still couldn’t figure it out.

  26. “Maybe this isn’t the way to address it,” Rooney said. “The other way would be just to take more time to make sure that the defense understands what is going on. It’s probably just as easy to eliminate it.”

    —–

    Ref: “34 is ineligible. Do not cover 34…”

    I’m really not sure how much more the ref could do to let the Ravens Defense “understand what is going on”.

  27. Nonsense ravensterps. Hooman was an eligible receiver on the play. What would you like them to announce? ‘Hooman is eligible, but he’s gonna line up in an unorthodox place. Just wanna make sure you know he’s still eligible’. Harbaugh got caught with his pants down. Plain and simple.

  28. Funny, I always thought to “take more time to make sure that the defense understands what is going on” was called a time out. Guess its easier to just try and change the rules instead of using a time out, those things are tricky.

  29. The Pats out coached the ravens perfectly on these calls and showed why Bellicheck is the best coach in football. Even if the ravens called a timeout (which every one has said he should have) to go over what was happening the Pats still win. Bellicheck was forcing his hand to either burn a valuable timeout in the second half or look like a clueless dummy and blame the ref. the Pats took advantage of Mosely being a first year player calling the D…a veteran MLB might have called off the play and went zone. BTW the ravens had 7-10 seconds to figure out what to do on all 4 of those plays ….plenty of time for an NFL team.

  30. The only thing the Ravens and Steelers hate more than each other………cheaters!

    It’s still remarkable however that the Cheaters/Patriots needed all this to beat the little old Ravens with their banged up secondary by a measly 4 pts.

    I guess anything goes in New England.

  31. carloswlassiter says: Mar 21, 2015 3:16 PM

    Congratulations on your team’s decision not to use legal plays to try to win a football game.

    ————————–

    Legality and ethics are not the same. It’s “legal” in Madden to make a quarterback with all 99 skills but I don’t respect people who do that.

  32. mattwalshvideo says:
    Mar 21, 2015 2:57 PM
    Gotta love patriots fans, spending every waking hour trying to defend stained Super Bowl wins.

    It hurts you are the Lance Armstrong of the NFL, we all know it, it absolutely kills you all.

    —–

    Gotta love patriot haters, spending every waking moment trying to say the Super Bowl wins are stained when history has no “asterisks” anywhere.

    It hurts you are all just sad little people who can’t take a team being so dominant in the salary cap era, we all know it, and it absolutely kills you all.

  33. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 21, 2015 3:22 PM

    “They only announced Vereen, and only about 2 seconds before the snap.”

    By most accounts it was a minimum of 7 secs and as much as 10 secs for the other plays. How much time would be enough for Harbaugh’s knitwit defense? Even when seeing it three times they still couldn’t figure it out.

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    You can watch the video on YouTube and it’s at most 3 seconds for the pivotal play.

  34. “Ineligible receivers may still catch passes BEHIND the line of scrimmage, which is where Vereen went after the snap.”

    But only if it is touched (as with a batted pass attempt) by the defense or an eligible receiver first making it a live ball for everybody. So, your statement is incorrect. “Behind the line of scrimmage” doesn’t matter at all.

  35. I believe it was the Bengals that used this play earlier in the season & weren’t successful so they abandoned it…. No tears were shed then!!! The Patriots do it & were successful so hear come the crybabies….
    Bill playing Chess The rest playing Checkers…..
    God I just LOVE the tears of the simple minded out there… There are Just sooooooo many of you it astounds me!!!
    World Champs Again!!!!
    Strive for 5!!!!!

  36. To the people saying the refs told the Ravens not to cover Vereen, please read the rule book. Ineligible receivers may still catch passes BEHIND the line of scrimmage, which is where Vereen went after the snap.

    The problem with this play, which no Patriots fan seems to understand, was the loophole of having a tight end playing offensive lineman wearing #47, meaning he didn’t have to report as eligible. Cross300 is flat out lying when he says they announced over the loudspeaker who was eligible and who was ineligible. They only announced Vereen, and only about 2 seconds before the snap.

    The plays were legal, but it’s clearly a loophole and one I’m glad my team never stooped to exploit.
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    With Vereen ineligible it only stands to reason that Hooman (47) is eligible. And if Vereen is ineligible he would have to run back behind Brady to catch the pass. That’s why you don’t cover him. Let him run 8 yards back, your D should have time to recognize if he is doing that and get back over while the ball is in the air. Also, the announcement of Vereen as ineligible would tell you the player on the other end was eligible. Not tough to figure out. And shame on Harbaugh for not taking a timeout the second time the Pats lined up like that to make sure his D could react to it. Instead he let it happen a 3rd time and took a penalty to give up even more yardage on top of what the plays got.

    And by the way, where did Belichick get this idea? From watching college game film. It’s not like this was some scheme never before seen or thought of.

    This was legal and not a “loophole”. It’s just one more thing to make sure you prepare your D to recognize. Like the Wildcat, once it was used a few times it lost effectiveness because teams were ready for it after seeing film. No need for rule changes, just coach up your players to recognize what happens when an ineligible player is split wide. Hint: the guy on the other end of the LOS who is wearing an eligible # is an eligible receiver.

    The sad part is I was watching the game with friends when we heard 34 is ineligible over the broadcast on that second play 3 different people called out “watch the guy on the other end”. One of the them is a huge ravens fan and was screaming for the Ravens to call a timeout and fix their coverage.

  37. If you’re listening to Pats fans, you would think the Hells Angels of the NFL (Patriots) are actually alter boys…cheaters & everyone knows it.

  38. Harbaugh got embarrassed, took a costly penalty, and his team lost a game they should have won, given their two TD lead. Flacco usually comes through against the Pats, but he threw two really bad interceptions, which was much more important in losing that game.

  39. ravensterps says:
    Mar 21, 2015 3:30 PM

    youknowiknowitall says: Mar 21, 2015 3:22 PM

    “They only announced Vereen, and only about 2 seconds before the snap.”

    By most accounts it was a minimum of 7 secs and as much as 10 secs for the other plays. How much time would be enough for Harbaugh’s knitwit defense? Even when seeing it three times they still couldn’t figure it out.

    ——————

    You can watch the video on YouTube and it’s at most 3 seconds for the pivotal play.
    _________________________________

    Now we know you’re full of it. This was reviewed by many writers after that game and all said pretty much the same thing…Here it what Peter King wrote the Monday after (using this as King’s is the easiest one to find):

    “I timed the three plays in question to see if Baltimore had been unfairly disadvantaged by the Patriot ploy, using NFL Game Rewind as my resource. Playing the NBC telecast back, I clocked the amount of time between referee Bill Vinovich’s in-stadium announcement of the “non-eligible player” (it sounded like that was what Vinovich called the spread-wide faux fifth lineman). By my count, seven, 10 and seven seconds elapsed between the announcements and the snap of the ball.”

    7 seconds on the first play, 10 on the second play and 7 seconds on the 3rd play. And that’s using NFL game rewind.

  40. Maybe Dan should focus on his own team. I think Steelers fans have a legitimate complaint about the absence of defense on the team. Their D Line is suspect, their linebacking corp is dangerously thin, and their secondary is a combination of woeful and dreadful.

    Instead of addressing the team’s concerns, Rooney has chosen to pocket his salary cap residuals. His commentary on games played after the Steelers were eliminated only serves to deflect focus from his team’s managerial ineptitude.
    .

  41. It doesn’t matter how many double standards the league creates – the Patriots will find a way to win

    We are at the point now where owners players and fans want Belichick punished for breaking “unwritten rules” (i.e. rules that do not exist)

    … but you can’t get the league to enforce ACTUAL and EXISTING rules against teams like the Jets or any so-called rivals like the Colts or Ravens

    The Ravens and the entire stadium and viewers at home heard the announcement that the Pats employed an ineligible receiver

    It’s not the Patriots fault that the Ravens chose a head coach who had no clue how to adjust

  42. Took me about 3-5 mins to figure out what was going on.

    Here’s a thought…. Learn the existing rules. This way you don’t have to change them every time you get out witted.

  43. “akhhorus says: Mar 21, 2015 3:32 PM

    If its legal, the Ravens should have been ready for it.”

    To be fair, Ravens players seem to often have problems with what is legal and what isn’t, even OFF the field.

  44. Pats can’t beat you just playing straight up football…Cheating is just what they do.

  45. So here is the actual rule:
    Section 3 Changes in Position
    REPORTING CHANGE OF POSITION
    Article 1
    An offensive player wearing the number of an eligible pass receiver is permitted to line up in the position of an ineligible pass receiver, provided that he immediately reports the change in his eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team.

    Vereen reported as ineligible, but lined up in the position of an eligible pass receiver (slot area). Thus the confusion by the defense. The referees allowed him to do so and did not throw a flag before the snap so I can’t blame the offense…yeah they stretched the intent of the rule to their advantage, but could have been flagged for it. It makes sense for the league to review the rule and its enforcement to make sure teams follow the intent and can’t gain an advantage by not doing so.

  46. Sometimes players have to take matters into their own hands when the refs fail. I would say a late hit on the QB is required to even the playing field.

  47. pftard says: It’ll be funny to see how all of you react when your Team is treated like the rest of us…,

    ========
    We Patriots old-timers from 1960 to 2001 were suffering badly and at times, winners of the first overall pick five times, that is 9% of the picks in the 55 years of its existence. So you will pardon us while we enjoy the 4 SuperBowls wins, as confirm by Richard Sherman.

  48. My god if you can’t out coach Belichick after 20 years then just change the rules. What an embarrassment the Steelers have become. A shell of their former selves.

  49. I’m laughing at the Pats fans who apparently cannot spell “Bellicheck” and “Vareen” properly. It makes it that much easier to find amusement in your defense of your team when you can’t even spell the names of your own staff and players.

  50. We can’t fault the Pats for being sneaky. We all know it’s in their nature. Teams just need to do a better job of countering it.

  51. I LOVE the PFT comments. Football is “a man’s game”. The ultimate in tough guys going head to head for 60 grueling minutes. Yet, there isn’t a larger group of whiners on the planet than NFL fans. Seriously. So jealous. So hateful. So whiney. Waah, waah, waah, the Patriots exploited a rule which makes them such terrible people and such low life’s. 6 years ago when the Dolphins unleashed the wildcat offense where a RB lined up as a QB and a QB lined up as a receiver (remember they unleashed this formation in Foxboro and embarrassed the Patriots unprepared defense) the Dolphins were hailed as innovators. Every aspect of the wildcat is the same as the ineligible receiver rule. Players lined up in unconventional spots, legally, confusing the defense. Did Belichick run on the field and cry? Did pats fans whine about how the Dolphins were cheaters? Did the patriots try to make the formation illegal? No, no, and no. Stop crying. If this doesn’t work, I suppose the Ravens can try to make a rule that says that “any wide receiver who also played qb in college is ineligible to throw a pass…”. This whole thing makes you all look like babies. It is all lame.

  52. Knowing & understanding the rules & using them to gain an advantage of an inferior prepared team is now cheating??!!
    Last time I heard of something like that it was called strategy… I guess maybe these fans of other teams would be happier if the Pats just called a time out, sent the offensive coordinate rover to the opposing teams “D” & said here’s what were gonna do… Make sure your ready for it cause we don’t want to catch you unprepared or anything like that!!!
    Sounds pretty stupid right??!! Now you see what we Patriot fans think of your football knowledge!!!
    You guys keep trying & we’ll keep winning…thought you’d be use to that by now!!!
    BB & Brady for another 5 years at least!!!
    Go Pats!!!

  53. Because God forbid someone came up with something new and interesting to confuse defenses. I think the NFL should be embracing that kind of creativity, not crushing it. It makes things interesting and fresh. Perhaps the rules need to be tweaked so teams know who’s ineligible as well (if that was really a problem during the game), but they don’t need to eliminate the tactic all together.

  54. ok, for like the zillionth time people, not only did they report properly, the officials were telling the ravens exactly which players didnt need to be covered, which is more underhanded than what new england was doing. good to know two of the franchises that pride themselves on being black and blue (ravens and steelers) cry so many rainbow colored tears about this stuff. isnt it a new league year? its like 12 said. read the rulebook.

  55. They need to also do away with all play action passes, cause you don’t want defenders playing the run on pass plays. Make the snap count only on one so defenders don’t get confused and can get out of their stance at the right time. Quarterbacks should also be flagged any time they look off a defender cause that can confuse the defense on who he is throwing too.

  56. ravensterps says:
    Mar 21, 2015 3:29 PM
    carloswlassiter says: Mar 21, 2015 3:16 PM

    Congratulations on your team’s decision not to use legal plays to try to win a football game.

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    Legality and ethics are not the same. It’s “legal” in Madden to make a quarterback with all 99 skills but I don’t respect people who do that.
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    respect lmao. a crybaby wants respect. if the ravens had done this youd still be talking about how dumb new england was to fall for it. mouth, meet foot.

  57. The proposed rule would kill that Eagles formation where o-linemen line up on the outside in front of a wide receiver for a quick screen.

    On second thought, that play never seems to work. Maybe changing the rule would do the eagles a favor.

  58. Vereen even feigned a pass route and acted as though the ball was in the air faking an attempted catch. Pretty sketchy all the way around.

  59. So, sandy par, you don’t approve of fakes? How about jukes? Stutter-steps? Should we ban the fake hand-off? It’s obvious deception, after all.

  60. This compares to nothing else but Pop Warner shenanigans. Stop trying to spin it Pats fans. If your team were that good there would be no need for this and you know it.

  61. Speaking like such an authority on the way things should be handled means nothing from a guy who’s only reason for being in this position is being born a Rooney. No thanks, I will listen to people who have actually done something to earn his place. He’s a twitter less Irsay

  62. Other teams can’t stand it that Belichick, unlike their coaches, plays “smart” football

    Belichick will do anything the rules allow

    Now its the Competition Committee’s right to CHANGE the rules and Belichick will exploit another loophole

    But let’s be clear – Belichick isn’t breaking rules here

    Belichick didn’t break any rules in Spygate either – he adhered to the wording of the rule “for use on that gameday” sideline taping would be prohibited

    Since Belichick had no intention of studying the video until AFTER the game, he was in compliance with the rules, but Roger Goodell isn’t too fond of looking like an idiot, so he penalized Belichick

  63. mrhack1982 says:
    Mar 21, 2015 5:50 PM
    This compares to nothing else but Pop Warner shenanigans …

    ===========

    and Harbaugh got confused

  64. Pats will get 7 gimme wins this year, the Steelers are on the schedule. Maybe they’ll top the 55 they layed on them the last time.

  65. Not a fan of any of these teams really but the fact is, Belichick is a brilliant coach who knows and understands the rules better than the others and took advantage of their ignorance which is what separates the great coaches from the good ones. I loved it, and gained a new respect for just how knowledgeable BB is.
    They don’t like it…simple, study the rules and understand what they mean; that’s why they are paying coaches the big bucks! They simply got outfoxed and now are whining about it.

  66. I think the NFL should go back 50 yrs. and play with the rules they had back then. They played better football with less rules. The rules are getting out of control. The next thing to happen will be the offense will have to tell the refs. to tell the defense weather the next play is a run or pass.

  67. Pats will get 7 gimme wins this year, the Steelers are on the schedule. Maybe they’ll top the 55 they layed on them the last time.

    Hey big Teddy what’s the over under on the deflated balls the Pats will use against the Steelers……are they gonna tape the game… Cheating is in the Pats DNA like whining is in their fans.

  68. mrhack1982 says:
    Mar 21, 2015 5:50 PM

    This compares to nothing else but Pop Warner shenanigans. Stop trying to spin it Pats fans. If your team were that good there would be no need for this and you know it.
    _________________________________

    So you’re saying the Ravens couldn’t stop an offensive scheme that little kids can run.

  69. Does any of this matter? Both these franchises are 2nd tier, certainly nowhere near the level of the greatest franchise there is.

    But I will say the Ravens still have an opportunity to reach a level just below the steelers, like the packers are now, with more time and success, but the Pats legacy is tarnished permanently.

  70. I dunno droolboy, has the offseason PED program started in Pittsburgh yet? After all, they invented it. I hope Belichick gets his proposal for the boundary cameras through the competition commitee. That way, we can see exactly where Tomlin decides he wants to get in the play.

  71. The only reason the pats are constantly trying to find loopholes and stay in the grey area of the rule book is bc they can’t play blue collar football and beat their opponent. If they were playing football the right way the ravens would have obviously taken them out and been world champs. This was the only way they could gain momentum. And please stop comparing this to the wildcat. It’s apples and oranges. Ohh, they announced it on the loudspeaker? You try wearing a helmet with thousands of screaming fans simultaneously getting the defensive play call , while making substitutions, all in all while Brady and company are barely taking the time to huddle. The signals for ineligible /eligible receivers are the same! They even made sure that was addressed at the Super Bowl. Not to mention if you report as ineligible you have to come out for a play unless a timeout is called. As much as pats fans say he did, vereen should have been penalized. Which would have stalled that entire drive. For Christ sake harbaugh couldn’t even get an explanation without having to take a penalty. Ofcourse he didn’t wanna burn a timeout! That could have been crucial in such a close game. That whole drive was based on bull* which resulted in a td, score should have been 31-28. Yeah yeah it’s over and done with . See us next year in the playoffs and try to pull that crap. It’s a known fact baltimore is the team that the pats absolutely Fear.

  72. So here is the actual rule:
    Section 3 Changes in Position
    REPORTING CHANGE OF POSITION
    Article 1
    An offensive player wearing the number of an eligible pass receiver is permitted to line up in the position of an ineligible pass receiver, provided that he immediately reports the change in his eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team.

    Vereen reported as ineligible, but lined up in the position of an eligible pass receiver (slot area). Thus the confusion by the defense. The referees allowed him to do so and did not throw a flag before the snap so I can’t blame the offense…yeah they stretched the intent of the rule to their advantage, but could have been flagged for it. It makes sense for the league to review the rule and its enforcement to make sure teams follow the intent and can’t gain an advantage by not doing so.

    ———————————————-

    Like,

    Vareen was lined up on the line of scrimmage as the 5th O lineman so he DID NOT line up eligible, therefore the play was perfectly legal.

  73. And just so everybody knows because I’ve seen a lot of people on here who are uninformed or just plain dumb, the ravens did not propose this rule change or take anything to the competition committe- it was done on their own. Obviously even people who don’t have a biased opinion see how this could get out of hand and take away from the game. Period.

  74. The NFL came out and said everything the Pats did in the Ravens game was perfectly legal. Period, end of story, case closed. You’re damn right they do everything they can to win. Wouldn’t want it any other way. The beauty of it is, they usually think of it 1rst. Hurry up bothers you? No huddle bother you? Tough! So, hold your breath, stomp your feet, whine, cry, make excuses(like your snivelling coach) and cry cheating all you want. The Pats are the World Champs. No asterisks, no do overs, no givebacks.

    The Seahawks woulda smoked the Ravens anyway. That’s if they got by Indy.

  75. Brady can’t win a Super Bowl without conspiracies…. This one took two!!! What do you know… Just a couple more ** to go along with those rings. We’ll never know if he’s the best cause he can’t win with out unfair advantages.

  76. As usual you uninformed pats fans are missing the point. The announcement in the stadium informed everyone that vereen was INELIGIBLE. However, there was no mention of was ELIGIBLE! !!! Therefore , the ratbirds had to guess who else to cover. Do you think it is a coincidence that the pats are constantly caught up in a controversy? They just can’t win straight up, they have to resort to cheating and cheap tactics. Your titles don’t count to anyone but yourselves. PERIOD!!!

  77. “handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Mar 21, 2015 7:54 PM

    They just can’t win straight up, they have to resort to cheating and cheap tactics. Your titles don’t count to anyone but yourselves. PERIOD!!!
    ————————————-

    I found what the Pats did admirable. It was creative and it was intelligent, and that’s what I value in life. And football for me has always been a metaphor for life (or life in microcosm).

  78. No, the titles count to the league, the NFL HOF and every statbook and sports encyclopedia you can find. The only ones that want to hide their heads in the sand and cover their ears are the fans of the teams the Pats have stomped over the years. You don’t hear the Giants worrying about cheating. It’s the AFCEast teams, the Raiders, Steelers, Rams, Ravens, Colts, Chargers,Texans etc, etc. See the pattern.

    I’m an informed Pats fan. Informed by the NFL that what the Pats did was legal. No grey area, no opinion, LEGAL.

    Get on with your lives,

  79. sandypar77 says:
    Mar 21, 2015 5:34 PM

    “Vereen even feigned a pass route and acted as though the ball was in the air faking an attempted catch.”
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    Wait, hold on a minute! You mean Vereen used deception to pretend a pass was coming to him – for the sole purpose of confusing the defense – when all along the pass was (gulp) intended for a different player? And Brady knew about it too?

    You can bet Belichick was behind the whole thing.

  80. I have no loyalty to either team BUT when you wear an eligible number and report as ineligible you must come out a play before reporting back as eligible unless the offense calls timeout or you reach 2 minute warning. The refs did admit they made the mistake allowing a player to stay in for next play and become eligible again after being ineligible the previous play. Not the Pats fault the refs blew the calls but the refs did help the Pats by not making the correct calls.

  81. “Even the SI columnists wrote that the Ravens had 7 seconds to adjust.”

    So that makes it true, huh? And you still read Sports Illustrated?

  82. revren10 says:
    Mar 21, 2015 2:45 PM
    Patriots World Champs. That’s all that matters

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    Everyone knows Pats cheated. That’s all that matters.

  83. tedmurph says:
    Mar 21, 2015 3:05 PM

    The Pats should have announced Edelman’s double pass in advance too, just to make it fair for Harbaugh and his defense
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    The outcome would not have changed. 🙂

    “The Patriots won because they had ineligible/eligible receivers and the Ravens didn’t know who was who.”

    “The Patriots won because they deflated the footballs.”

    “The Patriots won because Pete Carroll called a pass play when he should have gone Beast Mode.”

    Are we done yet?

  84. It is amazing that the Patriots can’t win a Super Bowl without some sort of controversy. First it’s the tuck rule then it’s spy gate then it’s deflate gate followed by some tricky formations. A good team just goes out and plays and doesn’t try to find a way to bend the rules. But they are considered the Super Bowl champs. With an asterisk

  85. Why doesn’t the competition committee just pass a rule that prohibits Belichick from outsmarting everyone in the NFL including Goodell and be done with it?

  86. Meh. The Patriots used trick plays and gadget plays to barely beat the Ravens in their own house. Considering the NFL adjusted this before the Super Bowl and the fact that they are perhaps changing it, Pats should consider themselves lucky. First the tuck rule and now this. 2/4 tainted.

  87. I think what most of the morons are missing is the simple fact that the Ravens weren’t given a chance to adjust their players accordingly. Changing who is eligible is the same as changing who is on the field. When the offense substitutes the defense must be given a chance to sub also. By running a no huddle with the same personnel the d wasn’t given a chance to change who was on the field. That was Harbaughs complaint.

  88. aingoglia75 says:
    Mar 21, 2015 8:32 PM

    “It is amazing that the Patriots can’t win a Super Bowl without some sort of controversy.”

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    It’s not amazing at all. Let me explain the sequencing for you:

    First and foremost, the Patriots win a lot of them. Then, the teams they continually pound, tend not to like that part very much. Finally–and you should focus here–THOSE TEAMS create and perpetuate the supposed “controversy”. Get it yet?

    I’ve seen it a hundred times…

  89. BB is such a genius. Why wasn’t anybody calling him a genius when he coached Cleveland?
    ________
    Umm, wasn’t he the last Browns coach to take his team to the playoffs? That’s Genius in my book.

  90. Why even argue with a Pats fan? They’re a fantastic combination of arrogant and insecure and the problem is after last year’s Super Bowl, there are thousands more of them. Everybody knows and accepts the truth except Patriots fans ****

  91. Right, the refs shouldn’t have put the ball back in play after giving the Ravens 7-10 seconds to adjust. Why should the refs let the Pats run a hurry up offense? They should have suspended the game, given the Ravens some time to rest, adjust, and figure things out, maybe watch some film and finished the game 2 weeks later when the Ravens felt better prepared.

    Who’s the moron?

  92. …If you need evidence of the human condition at it’s most basic and frail, it is splayed all over the pages of PFT in the form of trolls who have no recourse–their frustration has eroded real logic — and this painful, continued losing turns them into irrational rock-throwers and knee-jerk accusers.

    The reason they will say anything baseless that they can to stir the pot is because, when you lose that much to one team and you’re hurt that long, you’ve got no other weaponry. You’re emasculated. You’ve been slowly but soundly reduced to rubble and now subscribe to ALL conspiracy theories, no matter how ridiculous.

    In quiet moments with themselves, they know the Patriots have coached and played outstandingly for more than a decade, and deserve to be where they’re ranked in the pantheon of great teams, but they’ll never say it out loud. That would make them mature and rational. It’s easier and lazier to ramble, worshipping false platforms (cheater, deflator, shifty substitutor, whatever is thrown at the wall). I get it–they’re trying to self-soothe.

    Good luck with any ongoing therapy. I’m pulling for all of you. You work on that while we enjoy our team’s success.

  93. Too bad the smartest guy on the Ravens’ roster is on the other side of the ball.

    Also, must be a cold day in Hell, since Art’s trying to defend the Ratbirds. Get it together, man!

  94. If the Ravens would have lined up that way, the Refs would have kept the ball from being hiked until the Patriots knew who was elibible. I have seen it done many times. The Patriots knew they had to play fast with the rules, otherwise they weren’t going to win that game.

    Different rules for Patriots,
    T-Sizzle

    PS. The refs should have held the ball…they might have had a chance to catch that the ball was flat as well.

  95. This is huge– Even one of the most well-respected owners in the history of the NFL is calling out the Cheats.

    Everybody knows it– the fans, the players, the coaches, the scouts, the front office people, the owners…

    Everybody knows Patriots are the cheatingest organization in the history of American sports.

  96. I don’t know one coach that agrees with this play other than belicek and the guy who drafted tebow. regardless this is not the reason the ravens lost and nobody on the ravens is saying it is. The fact is, it was a deceptive play and should have been penalized. I think the pats confused themselves along with the refs. see what Tony Dungy has to say:

    “In the Baltimore game, [Shane] Vereen reported as ineligible several times,” Dungy explained. “If he stays in the game he must report again and continue to be ineligible. He must come out of the game for one play or there has to be a time out for him to play as an eligible receiver. On the touchdown drive Vereen played one play as ineligible and then played the next play in an eligible position. There should have been a penalty.”

    The reason the ravens lost was because Torrey Smith made zero effort to go and get that pass at the end. A true number 1 receiver would have gone up, got the ball and been in the endzone. It was a good ball, watch the replay, torrey gave up. However, with the way brady was carving up our defense, there would have been a lot of time on the clock for brady to drive down again.

    Any, be respectful pats fans. it was a good game. but be fair, the play was deceptive and that is why it is being reviewed and will more than likely change. I don’t think they would change the rules if a majority didn’t think it was deceptive.

  97. Have to admit it is funny– The Patriots have so many cheating scandals that you forget one or two of them until they are brought up again.

  98. This whole thing is crazy. The ineligible player was announced and the ref even said “don’t cover 34.”

    How about if the D is planning to drop a defensive end into coverage they have to announce that and give the offense time to adjust?

  99. Aaingoglia75 says:
    Mar 21, 2015 8:32 PM

    It is amazing that the Patriots can’t win a Super Bowl without some sort of controversy. First it’s the tuck rule then it’s spy gate

    ————

    Actually, following spygate, the NFL was “all in” on ensuring NE didn’t win the SB

  100. No where has Harbaugh ever complained about losing to the Patriots because of that play? The news report says that Rooney and the competition committee were reviewing the rule. Just like Baltimore had nothing to do with reporting New England for deflated balls. Our franchise doesn’t involve our team in cheating scandals nor do we make excuses for losing. Since the John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco era we’re the #2 winning team in the NFL second only to the Patriots. Our two franchises are the top two winning teams the last seven years. We have no reason to make excuses for a loss because we enjoy more success against New England than any team in the NFL. We’ve won in Gillette Stadium more than any other NFL team. I’m pretty sure Baltimore doesn’t fear the Patriots or their strategies. We have made the playoffs six of the last seven years and have never been one and done in this stretch. I’m pretty sure if we were in the AFC East we’d win no less than twelve games a season. The AFC North consistently sends at least two teams to the playoffs each year. Last year we sent three teams. Dominating the Jets, Bills and Dolphins isn’t much to brag about.

  101. Jackweed, stop listening to tony dungy, he is wrong. The Pats got away with one that the refs missed against the colts, but not the Ravens.

    In the Ravens game, the Pats substituted Kline and vereen after every play. I noticed it because I was at the game, and when an O lineman came off and another one didn’t go on, it drew my attention. After every single one of their ineligible plays vereen came off and Kline went in. Then Kline went off and vereen went in. This fact/sequence of substitutions also directly disputes the notion that it was a “no huddle” offense/baltimore wasn’t allowed to sub. They were allowed to sub, they just subbed wrong

    Yes, the whole point of this formation was to deceive the defense. Why is that all of a sudden frowned upon??? Play action is intended to fool the defense. A surprise onside kick is intended to deceive the defense. A flea flicker is intended to deceive the defense. A pass thrown by any player not the qb is intended to deceive the defense. Receivers routinely run routes intended to deceive the defense. The Seahawks fake field goal in the nfccg was intended to deceive the defense. The wild cat was intended to deceive the defense. Only one of these things is considered “cheating”, “low class”, “deception”. Why is that??? Is it because the formation is soooo terrible? Or is it because the Patriots did it? Were you outraged when the bengals did it? Were you outraged when the University of Alabama did it? No, you are only mad that those evil Patriots did it. NFL fans, for supporters of the manliest game in North America, you sure don’t act like it. Not surprised, most of you probably have a shelf full of participation trophies/ribbons

  102. Cowher concocted a play that had his QB faking confusion and the Steelers gained a few extra first downs a few years back. I assume Mr. Rooney thought that was appalling too.

    Bottom line is this if NE was on the wrong side of this the rubes would be screaming about football karma not scandal.

  103. ericbleedspurple says:
    Mar 21, 2015 10:44 PM
    No where has Harbaugh ever complained about losing to the Patriots because of that play?

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    Except in his postgame press conference when he pretty much did.

  104. Umm, wasn’t he the last Browns coach to take his team to the playoffs? That’s Genius in my book.
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    Since your book must be filled with inaccurate facts, that makes sense.

  105. I can’t stop laughing knowing that every Pats fan knows no one will ever consider their SB’s legit and no matter how indignant they get there’s nothing they can do to change that. If it didn’t bother them they wouldn’t feel the need to try and defend them whenever the subject comes up. Much props to Rooney for saying what he said. As a Ravens fan I hate the Steelers but respect the heck out of them. We both play football the way it should be played. If it wasn’t for cheating and a dropped pass we’d be 4-0 against them, nothing better than kicking their whiny asses in their stadium. At least Tammy Brady has stopped crying for a roughing the passer penalty every time drops back. Can’t wait to see them this season

  106. The backs and the ends. If they don’t know that much they shouldn’t be a part of the game.

  107. The Steelers owner is absolutely right. That’s why they are elite, and elite organization top to bottom.

  108. 1. dynaco says: Mar 21, 2015 5:44 PM
    Steelers:
    Winning Super Bowls before anyone thought of cheating.

    >>>>>>

    Steelers: Winning Super Bowls before anyone else thought of STEROIDS

    Steelers 1974 SB Champions *
    Steelers 1975 SB Champions *
    Steelers 1978 SB Champions *
    Steelers 1979 SB Champions *

  109. highlogic says:
    Mar 21, 2015 7:26 PM

    And just so everybody knows because I’ve seen a lot of people on here who are uninformed or just plain dumb, the ravens did not propose this rule change or take anything to the competition committe- it was done on their own. Obviously even people who don’t have a biased opinion see how this could get out of hand and take away from the game. Period.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Competition Committee Members – NOTE THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM

    Chairman: Rich McKay (Atlanta Falcons)
    – Jeff Fisher (St. Louis Rams)
    – Stephen Jones (Dallas Cowboys)
    – Marvin Lewis (Cincinnati Bengals)
    – John Mara (New York Giants)
    – Mark Murphy (Green Bay Packers)
    – Ozzie Newsome (Baltimore Ravens)
    – Rick Smith (Houston Texans)
    – Mike Tomlin (Pittsburgh Steelers)

    “It’s not something that anybody has ever done before,” Harbaugh said. “The league will look at that type of thing, and I’m sure they’ll make some adjustments and things like that.”

    Harbaugh…”sure” because Ozzie is on the competition committee.

  110. handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Mar 21, 2015 7:54 PM

    As usual you uninformed pats fans are missing the point. The announcement in the stadium informed everyone that vereen was INELIGIBLE. However, there was no mention of was ELIGIBLE! !!! Therefore , the ratbirds had to guess who else to cover. Do you think it is a coincidence that the pats are constantly caught up in a controversy? They just can’t win straight up, they have to resort to cheating and cheap tactics. Your titles don’t count to anyone but yourselves. PERIOD!!!

    >>>>>>>>

    Understand the rules and you understand who is eligible….last player on either side of the line of scrimmage. Vereen was covered, Hooman was not. Vereen ineligible, Hooman eligible…Hooman wears a number of an eligible player so no need to report as eligible…simple. sometimes genius really is simple.

  111. I was under the impression that Jeff Fischer had issues with the eligible/ ineligible substitutions but I could be wrong. Either way I know that the ravens / Ozzie Newsome had nothing to do with this being brought up. Several other owners had issues with it nc obviously this could eventually get out of hand. We don’t want football turning into the XFL or WWE. Also harbaugh never said this is why they lost. Obviously bc the defense couldn’t hold 2 14 point leads is why they lost. But this was a huge factor and I personally believe without those plays no way in hell the patriots win that game.

  112. I wonder how tom Brady reacts around other NFL players knowing all his rings are tainted with deflategate spygate and what other cheating tactics the cheaters used. It must be tough to look in the mirror knowing tour involved in these scandals. Brady is not even close to the best QB in the game. I respect manning and his one legitimate SB win and respect towards the game then that cheater.

  113. New rule for next season, the Patriots have to provide a copy of their play book to the opposing team’s coach prior to the start of the game.

  114. “…PS. The refs should have held the ball…they might have had a chance to catch that the ball was flat as well….”

    ==================================

    The refs have their hands on the ball after and before every play for the entire game. You do realize that?

  115. Woody Johnson Is Gang Green With Patriots Envy where on earth do you get the notion that I’m angry over that play? You sound very defensive as most pats fans do. So answer this question, why do a majority of owners think there was something deceptive with this play? Why is this play under review and not the flea flicker?

    And I think tony dungy has a little more clout than some overly defensive patriots fan.

  116. Harbawling & the Ravens are still crying over this ???

    AND now the other diaper wearing owners are crying also ???

    The Defense on any team at any time can shift players around and use DECEPTION to TRICK the opposing QB & Offense – so what is the big deal if they are given a healthy dose of their own medicine?

    Oh, Right, You lost – and your still crying about it.
    My Bad – LOL

  117. This is too funny – Legitimate Gripe

    If your Defense is too stupid to play in the NFL then the D-Line should be made to line up in position without any deceptive moves as well.

    Common Sense People – Get yourself some.

  118. Keeps on crying you little girls

    This is by far the most satisfying win ever.

    Every time a Pats hater cries it makes it that much sweeter. Your sweet yet salty tears fuel the dynasty and will take it to levels never reached before in the history of the NFL.

    To think how ANGRY you had to be after Butler’s INT, shortly after Tom Brady did something that’s never been done before.

    But please keep the Raven/Steeler fake tough guy routine going, it’s adorble.

    Bow down. We own you, and you LOVE us

  119. The patriots dont embrace serial rapists or build statues for murderers

    What they do is crush your soul & embarass your fraud fake toughguy teams in front of 80 million viewers

    My 2 year old niece cries too, it’s adorable.

    Bow down

  120. Respect is earned. Sorry the Patriots didn’t do anything to earn respect, I know it kills you to know the Patriots are a joke to the 31 other owners and their fans.

  121. Dungy said:
    “In the Baltimore game, [Shane] Vereen reported as ineligible several times,” Dungy explained. “If he stays in the game he must report again and continue to be ineligible. He must come out of the game for one play or there has to be a time out for him to play as an eligible receiver. On the touchdown drive Vereen played one play as ineligible and then played the next play in an eligible position. There should have been a penalty.”

    But Dungy was wrong. Vereen reported ie twice. The first time he came out on the next play. The second time, he stayed in, but those two plays were were separated by Harbaugh’s unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. That means that Vereen didn’t have to go out for a play.

  122. Hey, Whitetrash69, they’re a joke to you because you need them to be to make you feel better. It’s heartbreaking to lose all the time. I know, I was a long-suffering Red Sox fan until the last decade. What I DIDN’T do though was denigrate those “cheating, low-life, dirty” Yankees all these years. No crying, no whining. I respected their ability to consistently win. Take note — deep down you know the Patriots are great. No one cheats their way to 15 years of success, come on now.
    Time to wake up.

  123. Very dignified to root for a team that can’t beat the Patriots. Good for you, trashboy.

  124. By the way, when you get to 100 different screenames, you should win some sort of a prize. A life wasted.

  125. whitetrash69 says:Mar 22, 2015 5:00 PM

    I’d rather have a tough guy identity than a cheater one.

    Believe me 69, nobody thinks you’re a tough guy.

  126. Hahaha! Look at the loser Patriots fans. I have one screen name. I guess you just exposed yourself for having more than one. Keep rooting for your cheating franchise nobody but you respects.

  127. Greatest franchise of the 20th century. Who cares if fans of the teams they beat respect them. I know I don’t care.

  128. ravensterps says:
    “The problem with this play, which no Patriots fan seems to understand, was the loophole of having a tight end playing offensive lineman wearing #47, meaning he didn’t have to report as eligible. Cross300 is flat out lying when he says they announced over the loudspeaker who was eligible and who was ineligible. They only announced Vereen, and only about 2 seconds before the snap.”

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    You don’t understand the rules you claim to defend. If a guy is on the end of the line wearing an eligible number (#47), there is no reason to report him as eligible. He is eligible by virtue of both his number and his position. The refs are under no obligation to announce eligible receivers when they are in an eligible position. They announced Vereen because he was covered to the outside, making him ineligible while wearing an eligible number. Approximately 400 reporters noted the ref telling the Ravens that Vereen was ineligible and that they didn’t have to cover him.

    In all honesty, this stuff ain’t that complicated. Seven guys on the line of scrimmage. The two outside guys are eligible receivers. The five inside guys ain’t. High school defenses figure this stuff out all the time.

  129. It looks like we have a pathetic whiney crybaby Ravens/steelers fan hitting f5 until his keyboard breaks to cry about the pats annonamously on a website.

    It looks like the fake toughguy routine does not stop with the team and is a cultural thing.

    This is hugely entertaining for me. I think I’ll laugh and read your teary eyed posts as I rewatch the SB and the greatest QB of all time chew up and spit out the Seahawks.

    At least they took their loss like men. Keep those tears flowing son.

  130. This is easy to stop, and although I don’t care for the Ravens, I thought they would do it. NE has only 4 linemen blocking for Brady. I am sending at least 5 pass rushers every single time, and I an putting him on the ground every single time. Before long, Brady will be the one begging Bellichick to stop calling the gimmick play. Of course you will have to be prepared to give up 15 yards every time, as you will be flagged every time you touch the golden boy.

  131. NE did report, and the refs did relay the info to the defense. Pats haters can whine all they want, but it wasn’t illegal, and if any fault is to be handed around it should be with the officials, not the Patriots.

    If this had happened with any other team we wouldn’t still be reading about it months after the fact.

    I’m a Browns fan, but I get sick of all the Pats hate.

  132. The Ravens are simply never a good matchup for the Patriots. Finesse doesn’t do well against smash mouth.

    After what the Ravens did to NE in the playoffs in recent history, including the pummeling at Gillette in ’09 and ’12, I understand why NE needed some trick plays up their sleeves.

    A tad cheesy, but legal. Let it go, people.

  133. @ ravensterps –

    1) An ineligible cannot catch a forward pass, even behind the line of scrimmage. They can catch a lateral, because that is not a forward pass – Vereen was never in position for a lateral.

    2) Hooman was eligible, playing TE in an unbalanced line (TE, G, C, G, T, T rather than the traditional TE, T, G, C, G, T) – a perfectly legal and long used formation.

    The play was legal from start to finish, and the refs did try to help the Ravens. Sorry that you (and your team) don’t know the rules – too bad, so sad, better luck next time.

  134. Having watched CBB all weekend I am late to the party here. Sorry!

    Here’s what I see. For the most part, if you like the patriots or hate the Ravens, you are okay with the formation.

    As a Ravens fan. Yes I admit my A$$ is still sore over this. But I give credit to BB. He used an obscure section of the rules to his advantage. But even the great BB doesn’t know all the rules, as he proclaimed in his press conference about Ball pressure. So spare me, the learn the rule books comments. Very few know absolutely every section with total recall.

    Yes, deception is a huge part of the game. Offenses and defenses both use is. They disguise formations among others things every game. And it is a use and adapt league. This issue is the same others. The more it’s used the more it will be adapted to. The Patriots took advantage of it not being used in the past. Good move when you might not win otherwise.

    To the comments about football being a “man’s” game and don’t whine, let me offer this. I could not agree more. It is a game about, can I put you on your A$$. But if it is that kind of game, just line up and play and see who beats who, then just “outplay” the other team. Right? Out physical them. It seems hiding behind obscure sections of the rule book is the exact opposite of the “it’s a man’s game’ depiction noted earlier.

    I suspect the Patriots knew they needed more than man on man to beat the Ravens. Kind of sad when you know how depleted the Ravens’ secondary was going in to that game. Just line and beat them should have worked, and may have. But BB doesn’t operate that way now does he?

    Some will argue thinking is a big part of the sport also. No duh. Of course it is. And BB out thought the Ravens. Too bad we’ll never know if he could have just done it, man on man, you know, in “it’s a man’s sport” kind of way.

  135. Some will argue thinking is a big part of the sport also. No duh. Of course it is. And BB out thought the Ravens. Too bad we’ll never know if he could have just done it, man on man, you know, in “it’s a man’s sport” kind of way.
    ===
    Do you kick doors down instead of opening them? I suspect you don’t.

    All the strength in the world is useless if misapplied. NE came out and man-on-man beat BAL because BAL didn’t know what NE was doing. These plays worked because BAL’s defense and coaching staff couldn’t count to seven and identify the ends. That’s not an obscure part of the rulebook. That’s the way eligible receivers have been determined for decades.

  136. @smasonsmith

    At the end of the day, the Patriots 11 beat the Ravens 11. There is no doubt about that. But you are oversimplifying to say “counting players” or “counting to 7” as people have for “decades” is all that needed to be done to defense what the Pats were doing.

    So if it’s not obscure, you and everybody else knew, that eligible number players (RB, WR, TE’s) could be declared as ineligible? You, BB, and the everyone but the Ravens coaches and defense knew about this…that’s what you are saying? Right!!!!

    At least be fair in your analysis. It was obscure. Legal, but obscure.

  137. willycents says:
    Mar 21, 2015 2:42 PM
    “If the roles in that play were reversed” . . .

    Belichick would have had his team change into a zone defense. You see, other coaches think they are entitled to change personnel to their their advantage. Bill thinks the players should be able to adjust to the scheme.

  138. Rooney you just embarrassed yourself AND Steeler Nation. Steeler fans don’t like to see their owner come off as a whiney little high school girl. Congrats.

  139. It’s an easy fix IMO. For any one play, allow teams to designate inelligible players as eligible, or eligible players as ineligible. Just not both at the same time.

  140. “Some will argue thinking is a big part of the sport also. No duh. Of course it is. And BB out thought the Ravens. Too bad we’ll never know if he could have just done it, man on man, you know, in “it’s a man’s sport” kind of way.”

    ________________

    How about when Jump Ball Joe Flacco threw that last one up for grabs and it was easily intercepted by the Pats safety? Was that done in “man enough” kind of way for you? smh.

  141. Would rather have chip kelly’s in nfl over BB’s mucking up the works. Just play ball.

  142. The competition committee is looking at this for a reason. So, all of you whining, cry-baby Pats fans can just take a seat in your hi-chairs and wait to see if the committee makes an official change.

  143. @orrnumberfour
    Oh yes, let’s fight cognitive thought with the “Jump Ball Joe” comments. Just curious, what does that have to do with this discussion. Was it just to get your dig in?

    For the record, Joe owned that play in the press conference. He said he misread the coverage and made a poor throw.

    Those that pay attention saw I was addressing using obscure sections of the rules as the opposite of a “man’s game” argument an earlier poster had opined when complaining about whining.

    As far as a “man’s game” and “Jump Ball Joe”, since you want to pick on him, please, tell everyone how many games Joe has missed in his 7 years in the league,making the playoffs in 6 of them and starting every game? What’s that? I did not hear you.

    I think he does his part of playing a “man’s game.” He’s won a SB, and bet on himself at contract time and won. Is he the GOAT? Of course not. Not one Baltimore fan thinks that. But you want to throw him into a discussion of “man enough?” Time for me to SMH!

  144. But you are oversimplifying to say “counting players” or “counting to 7″ as people have for “decades” is all that needed to be done to defense what the Pats were doing.
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    No, I’m not. There are seven men on the line of scrimmage and the two ends are eligible if they’re declared eligible or are wearing eligible numbers. The guys in the middle are ineligible no matter what number they are wearing. You could run an offense entirely of guys that are wearing eligible numbers and the guys on the ends are the only ones you need to cover. What the referee does when pointing out the ineligible rxer wearing an eligible number is tell the defense, “This guy is going to be on the interior of the LOS and needs to be covered by an end.”

    It really is as simple as counting to seven and covering the first guy and the seventh. Harbs and his D were too dumb to do that, and got beat by it THREE TIMES.

  145. So if it’s not obscure, you and everybody else knew, that eligible number players (RB, WR, TE’s) could be declared as ineligible? You, BB, and the everyone but the Ravens coaches and defense knew about this…that’s what you are saying? Right!!!!
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    And yes… I knew that. I’ve read the rule book and watched punts. Lots of guys wearing eligible numbers declare themselves ineligible on punts. You don’t see a bunch of fat dudes wearing 50-79 running down the field on punt coverage, now do you?

  146. It’s an easy fix IMO. For any one play, allow teams to designate inelligible players as eligible, or eligible players as ineligible. Just not both at the same time.
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    Irrelevant to this offensive scheme. Kline came off and was replaced with a player that was nominally eligible. Eligible players were declared ineligible. No ineligible players were declared eligible. The player standing where the LT normally goes was actually an eligible end and wearing an eligible number (47 or 46 IIRC).

  147. Lol so many posts.
    The play is easy to beat you just blitz the weak ineligable with a lb.
    Colts blew this up no problem abd they are not exactly a stout D!
    All this crying just makes me sad at what the NFL has become.

  148. Here is what always confused me about this rule. Why is it, when a team is moving “too fast” for the refs, they will slow them up until they do what they need to do before the snap (they do it to Philly constantly), but somehow they do not have the ability to make them hold the snap until they notify the defense which guys were eligible?

  149. pftard says:
    Mar 21, 2015 2:56 PM
    Cherish the days, PatsNation. It’ll be interesting when Brady retires and the Patriots stop getting all the ‘Golden Boy’ charity calls going their way. It’ll be funny to see how all of you react when your Team is treated like the rest of us…,

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    dont you mean enjoy the decades, because thats how long weve been winning for now. in fact, over the past 2 decades (20 seasons) weve had a 8-8 or worse record three times. hows your team been doing? consistency like that runs deeper than getting a gift call occasionally. in fact, almost all NFL legislation is passed to try and stop New England. I could hear through my TV them announcing who was the eligible receiver and who was not. maybe the ravens should stop worrying about taking adderall and killing alligators and they might have a chance.

  150. didnt rooneys coach stand right in front of jacoby jones on the field basically preventing him from scoring a touchdown.

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