NFL found 25 failures to remove players from 2012 through 2014

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Earlier this week, the NFL gave the ATC spotter the power to stop the game action and insist on the removal of a player in distress.  It gives the spotter unprecedented authority, but it definitely was needed.

According to the league office, film study revealed 25 occasions in the last three seasons during which players in distress were not immediately removed from play.  (In a recent appearance on PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent inadvertently said that the 25 plays came entirely from 2014.)

Vincent specifically confirmed that Patriots receiver Julian Edelman should have been removed from play for further evaluation after taking a blow to the head in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl XLIX.  It nevertheless remains to be seen whether the ATC spotter will stop the action and remove a key player during crunch time of a postseason game.

NBC Sports Medicine Analyst Mike Ryan, a long-time NFL athletic trainer, explained during Friday’s PFT Live that it shouldn’t be an issue, because the spotter should at all times have player health and safety as the paramount concern.  Still, if the spotter removes, for example, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady at a critical moment of the Super Bowl and Brady ends up being fine, the spotter will need to be ready to withstand the criticism that necessarily will come from the decision to send Brady to the sideline for at least one snap.

66 responses to “NFL found 25 failures to remove players from 2012 through 2014

  1. This will be fun to watch once the first ‘good’ player is removed during a critical drive near the end of the game. Marshawn is pulled, Dez is pulled, Revis, etc…… stand by for fun!

  2. Didn’t Edelman get checked after that drive? If so, and he still returned to the game on the next drive, then you could guess he had no concussion.

    I see the league is trying to be safe, but I think in this particular case, they would have made the wrong decision.

  3. Here we go. D linemen are gonna be going helmet to helmet on QB’s like crazy. It’ll be worth the 15 yard penalties and fines if it means facing the clipboard holders the rest of the games. Greg Williams and company will probably reinstate their bounties too. Good times.

  4. Well this is what happens when you have to pay millions in a lawsuit about injuries. This is one of the few things you can’t blame the NFL for. I highly doubt every 10 years they want another lawsuit for a few billions.

  5. jjk26 says: Mar 27, 2015 8:49 PM

    Didn’t Edelman get checked after that drive? If so, and he still returned to the game on the next drive, then you could guess he had no concussion.

    I see the league is trying to be safe, but I think in this particular case, they would have made the wrong decision.
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    He looked knocked out to me. Tough player for sure, but he seemed to have a John Lynch moment in that game. Some guys can walk off a concussion and stay on their feet during play.

  6. Wilson also was injured in the Green Bay game and should have come out.

    Sounds like a good policy if it doesn’t get misused.

    Edelman was checked on the sideline after the series and deemed ok by the Dr.

    Why not name some of those 25 vs. just Edelman all the time.

    It seems the Owners/coaches conference centered on the Patriots

  7. This is what I don’t get. They already had a rule where spotters could give compulsory medical checks. That was already a rule. Why not just follow the rules they have rather than creating a “new” rule?

    Also I have read reports that Edelman passed 2 concussion tests.

  8. I still say Edelman was wobbly because of his hip injury, not because of the hit.

    Also- was Kam Chancellor on the list for that same play? He was more wobbly than Edelman.

    League is going to get this wrong big-time, and the law of unintended consequences will kick in.

    The decisions of who to pull will be arbitrary and inconsistent from game-to-game, and week-to-week. Teams will figure out in record time how to use it to their advantage to get an opponent’s key player taken out or to gain an extra time out.

    Teams already have professional, independent doctors and concussion specialists on their sideline. This is an unnecessary layer that puts more of the outcome of the game in the official’s hands rather than the players.

  9. So, Vincent specifically confirmed that Patriots receiver Julian Edelman should have been removed from play for further evaluation after taking a blow to the head in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl XLIX?

    So, when he was checked out a few plays later and was deemed OK to return, NE avoided getting screwed over.

    Seems that NE is smarter than the league (again)

  10. I’ve been all for taking the nasty hits out of the game on defenseless players, but this whole thing has gotten stupid now. The liberalization of the NFL.

    Does that clean it up a little better for you, moderator?

  11. I think the more important “failure” was in the NFL Championship. Russell Wilson had no business finishing that game after getting destroyed by Clay Matthews. Tell me that game outcome wouldn’t have changed.

  12. The NFL would be better off putting a sensor in the helmet of all players. If the sensor reads above XX number, the player comes out – no if’s, and’s or buts.

    This would remove any question of the spotter being “paid off”, etc

  13. This will be the equivalent to NASCAR’s cautions with less than 5 laps to go. All of a sudden a “caution for debris” comes out of nowhere and makes the finish more interesting for the casual fan.

  14. You can’t have it both ways. If you give them the ability to stop play it has to be unbiased. Meaning everyone should be subject to it without consequence for the spotter. Unless the spotter is trying to fix the game.

  15. This rule is going to be misused big time what happens when a player gets knocked really hard but is deemed to be ok to play even after being checked? Will the NFL say, sorry we took you out for no reason? Also Edelman passed 2 concussion tests as on the drive he got rocked Amendola was the one who got the td and remained the focus for that drive. Once again the league centers in on the Patriots because it kills them that the Pats are winning again. There’s at least 3 rules now that are against them (Julian Edelman rule, Ty Law Rule, and the Ineligible receiver rule.) Can’t beat them or think outside the box? Change the rules.

  16. ACTUALLY — There were independent medical doctors ON RECORD saying that they were calling repeatedly for Edelman to be pulled from the game and put thru concussion protocol and never was. Ever.

  17. Same can be said for Cam Chancelor then too! It was a helmet to helmet hit for him too! People forget that. All these clowns are letting their inferiority complex for the pats get in the way of objective opinions

  18. So, the best D since the 85 Bears couldn’t stop a concussed guy who nobody can actually say was concussed. So now we need to make more “try to slow the pats” rules. Happens every time they win the Super Bowl.

  19. 25 in 3 years, when you look at the number of games, 768 regular season, that is less than 1 every 30 games.
    Though I clearly agree with doing what you can to keep players safe from themselves, based on these numbers this is overkill.

  20. Tired of the witch hunt by the media that makes money off people who earn it. Big money for played and owners and with everything it’s a choice. Live life large or go home

  21. coloradical420 says:
    Mar 27, 2015 9:16 PM

    I stand corrected.

    ________________________

    I bet you find yourself typing or uttering that phrase an awful lot.
    Just rolls right off of your tongue

  22. If it were any other team, the player would have been removed. But because it’s the Patriots, the rules don’t apply. No one should be surprised at this.

  23. NFL on it’s continuing mission to find ways to effect the Patriots & help other teams compete against them… The salary cap didn’t work, the draft isn’t working, free agency isn’t working, inferior owners & coaching staffs, using media to over hype anything Patriot related in a negative light, commissioner taking away draft picks, refs picking up flags with no explanation(panthers game) & still the Patriots keep winning….now the NFL will pull Key Patriot Players at crucial moments….UNBELIEVABLE the extent the league is going to to try & stop the dominance the Patriots have had for over 14 years….
    There is suppose to be parody & it just ticks the powers that be teams just can’t compete!!!!

  24. coloradical420 says:
    Mar 27, 2015 9:16 PM
    I stand corrected. they did win their first three under Paul t. the ridicule will never end, nonetheless. cheaters.

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    Peanut gallery mentality at it’s finest – don’t know (or even want to know) the truth but hate on NE anyway.

  25. The officials on the field are in the best place to be to determine the authenticity of an injury and to top and restart the clock.

  26. coloradical420 says:
    Mar 27, 2015 8:43 PM
    the cheating never ends with this team. good thing Kraft and the commish are so close. did the pats win anything under Paul t? hmmmmm. weird.

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    Um, yes actually. Three of their four Super Bowl victories and four total appearances came under Tagliabue. An additional one happened under Rozelle.

  27. Seriously, Edelman spun out of the hit & went about 12 more yards before getting tackled again while the defender that hit him was needing help from his teammates & everyone is crying that Edelman was concussed ??!!
    What a crock!!!

  28. So all I really got out of this was: in the last 3 years 24 players should have been removed but weren’t. It wasn’t until the 25th player was wobbly and not removed that it was a problem. It isn’t because it was the Pats (eye roll). And that is what it comes down to. It could have been 50 players, 100 players, but it was never an issue until it was a Patriots player. One of new England’s 3 most important players on offense (11, 12, 87). Only then was it a problem. It became even worse, when this same player scored the game winning TD. These people are furious, and their real argument is “if Edelman was pulled from the game he wouldn’t have been there to score the TD and the Pats might have lost and that is why we care…”

  29. letafan4ever says: Mar 27, 2015 9:07 PM

    Wilson also was injured in the Green Bay game and should have come out.

    Sounds like a good policy if it doesn’t get misused.

    Edelman was checked on the sideline after the series and deemed ok by the Dr.

    Why not name some of those 25 vs. just Edelman all the time.

    It seems the Owners/coaches conference centered on the Patriots
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    It’s always about the Patriots…similar article was posted a short time ago, again with Edelman’s photo. It was reported that he passed the concussion protocols, so what’s the problem.

    If you can’t beat NE on the field, change the rules, accuse them of everything under the sun, now it’s make their players come out of the game, on and on. What else are they going to change when the Patriots keep winning, because they will.

    Why not make the jealous owners improve their teams instead of changing rules.

    (not saying this to the good teams out there, just the usual suspects)

  30. “Not only does our favorite team win the Super Bowl, but we are victims too! Feel bad for us!”

    -Ladies and gentleman, your 2015 New England Patriots fans.

  31. Edelman had a hip issue which is why he got up wobbly after that hit, which was shoulder to shoulder and did not involve a blow to his head. Watch the replay.

  32. Edelmen was examined by Pat’s Doctor now that makes a difference! Pats CHEAT, so their doctor would never take him out, evem if knocked out cold. WEASEL NATION !

  33. Here’s a guy who can remove any player on a judgement call, essentially at any time as there’s a hit on every play.

    Think any high-stakes gamblers will be talking to him about his wife and kids?

  34. Another one trick pony. You, my friend, are a joke. Just because your team can’t win, you blame others.

    Give it a break, sir.

  35. coloradical420 says:
    Mar 27, 2015 8:43 PM
    the cheating never ends with this team. good thing Kraft and the commish are so close. did the pats win anything under Paul t? hmmmmm. weird.

    Another one trick pony. You, my friend, are a joke. Just because your team can’t win, you blame others.

    Give it a break, sir.

  36. “…I stand corrected. they did win their first three under Paul t. the ridicule will never end, nonetheless. cheaters….”
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    so quips another misinformed troll.

  37. 25 times in three years. Including preseason games, there are 320 games per year (excluding the playoffs). Therefore the spotters should only interrupt about 8 games per year, or about one in every 40 games played. That means it should only happen about once every two to three weeks, league-wide. My guess is that the spotters will be afraid of missing calls so they will overcompensate by stopping play dozens and dozens of times. Just another contributor to the continued drip drip drip of the ruination of football.

  38. So a team has a reserve player who is a designated “head ringer” just to get an opponent star player out of the game for a little while. Kind of like NBA reserve players fouling at the end of the game.

  39. “…Sorry my bad! Canadians won 7 in a row and 10 out of 11 years lol lol Pat’s a Dynasty lol O K sure they are lol lol…”
    ================================

    they’ve won it twice in the last 30 years, the last being almost 22 years ago. The vast majority of their wins came when it was only a 6 team league and the team is from a country where it’s their only sport. ie: ever wonder why baseball is so much more popular than hockey, say like in Cuba?

    btw – it’s “Canadiens”

  40. raiderapologist says:
    Mar 27, 2015 9:06 PM
    jjk26 says: Mar 27, 2015 8:49 PM

    Didn’t Edelman get checked after that drive? If so, and he still returned to the game on the next drive, then you could guess he had no concussion.

    I see the league is trying to be safe, but I think in this particular case, they would have made the wrong decision.
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    He looked knocked out to me. Tough player for sure, but he seemed to have a John Lynch moment in that game. Some guys can walk off a concussion and stay on their
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    yes he did look knocked up. That is why he was checked out. He passed…He returned.

  41. @letafan4ever says:
    Mar 27, 2015 9:07 PM

    Wilson also was injured in the Green Bay game and should have come out.

    Sounds like a good policy if it doesn’t get misused.

    Edelman was checked on the sideline after the series and deemed ok by the Dr.

    Why not name some of those 25 vs. just Edelman all the time.

    It seems the Owners/coaches conference centered on the Patriots

    Good points by you…And made me think a little bit more about Conference in Arizona…It does seem that the rules changes, etc. seemed to be centered at the Patriots. But, the NFL still can’t give us the details about DEFLATEGATE! Go figure.

    The longer this takes the more I think NE is going to come out of this as doing nothing wrong, and that “some” other teams are going to be punished and maybe punished harshly.

    Then there’s “REVISGATE”!

  42. While I too believe NE did nothing wrong, I don’t believe nothing will come of it. With the whole spygate nonsense, their big mistake was ignoring Goodell’s misinterpretation of a written rule (that wasn’t really a rule). So this time, with Kraft’s demand for an apology, I expect more of the same overreaction by the league.

  43. theweedsthruthetrees How about some “names” or links to prove your statement. Just because you say it doesn’t make it so. Throw it against the wall and see if it sticks, nice try though.

  44. Any person here trying to say that Edelman was not concussed on that drive is delusional. Did any one hear him interviewed after the game? Not only was he concussed after that play he may have sustained a few more during the game. He gave credit to the rams defense for gods sake. I know you guys are fans but please. I’m not blaming the Seahawks loss on that so put your guard down for a second and try to look unbiased.

  45. coloradical420 says: the cheating never ends with this team. good thing Kraft and the commish are so close. did the pats win anything under Paul t? hmmmmm. weird.
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    You DO realize that BOTH Broncos Super Bowls are tainted by the fact that Denver had to cheat on the Salary Cap to retain Elway and the rest of it’s players.

    This is FACT. They received the LARGEST MONETARY FINE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL

    I think you’re smoking too much of the Kind if you think that the Patriots gained an unfair ADVANTAGE by using a player who was COGNITIVELY IMPAIRED

    We’d all love to hear you explain the logic of that (right after you explain the logic of how a 2007 violation of a new 2006 rule invalidates games from 2001-2004).

    Seriously – you haters are just embarrassing yourselves at every turn.

  46. Soooo… let me get this straight

    Edleman (who was checked out, OK’d and allowed back in the game) supposedly is playing in a COGNITIVELY IMPAIRED STATE

    Assuming he was experiencing symptoms of a concussion he’d have problems with motor skills, short and long term memory, was dizzy and/or had an intense headache, as well as other symptoms

    And other jealous fans assert this gave the Patriots a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE?????

    All these jealous fans might want to put a little more thought into these “they cheated” conspiracy theories through a little bit more

    The fact that the supposed “Legion of Boom” was STILL unable to stop him in this supposed weakened state must be HUMILIATING to Seattle fans.

    I can just see it now – Super Bowl 50 – Tom Brady has to amputate his right arm, mid game, returns, throws a TD pass with his left hand to win the game

    Jealous fans of the losers then assert he cheated and gained an unfair advantage by playing with only one arm. You haters really must have crappy lives.

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