League, Irsay still silent on Indiana law

AP

The NFL still hasn’t said a word about a law that passed last week in Indiana.  Last year, when a similar law nearly passed in Arizona, the league said plenty publicly — and reportedly was privately considering moving Super Bowl XLIX, with Tampa Bay being the first option.

The league has remained silent regarding the Indiana law even as hundreds rallied Saturday against the law that prohibits the placement of a “substantial burden” on the ability of a person, an institution, a business, or an association’s ability to follow his or her religious beliefs.  The provision has been interpreted as permitting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Indiana Governor Mike Pence says a bill clarifying the new law is now in the works.

“I just can’t account for the hostility that’s been directed at our state,” Pence said, via the Associated Press.  “I’ve been taken aback by the mischaracterizations from outside the state of Indiana about what is in this bill.”

However it plays out, the NFL’s silence in 2015 makes little sense, given the noise it made in 2014 when Arizona was poised to do the same thing.

Meanwhile, the Colts have said nothing, either.  Which seems a little odd, given the fairly high profile owner Jim Irsay has assumed on Twitter.  Though he recently has been tweeting about roster moves and the league meetings, Irsay hasn’t said a word via Twitter for the last six days.

If the league had said nothing a year ago regarding Arizona, saying nothing now wouldn’t be so glaring.  But if the league were indeed planning in 2014 to pull the plug on a Super Bowl due to be played in a matter of months, complete silence in 2015 makes no sense.

88 responses to “League, Irsay still silent on Indiana law

  1. There is already a very similar federal law signed into law by Clinton over 20 years ago. What’s the big deal now?

  2. Probably because it’s basically the same exact law Bill Clinton signed into law back in 1993.

  3. It sure doesn’t make any sense Mike….I don’t think the Guvner realized what the backlash would be…but I bet he does now, even with the NFL being SILENT!

  4. Any law that needs a bill to clarify the law can’t be a good law. Regardless of the intent of the law.

    9-6-4

  5. Living on the border I’m pretty ashamed I have drive to Indiana to grab grocery every now and then. Couldn’t imagine owning an NFL team there.

  6. “Any law that needs a bill to clarify the law can’t be a good law. Regardless of the intent of the law.” That is because of all the ignorant people thinking it is an anti gay law.

  7. Leave politics out of sports. The NFL shouldn’t have weighed in AZ as they also shouldn’t in IN.

    Despite all the posturing, the NFL was never going to move the SB. And in AZ, the bill was never going to signed into law. AZ’s Governor had repeatedly made it clear that she was likely to veto the bill as it was. Which she did.

  8. I could not care less what the NFL or any of its owners think about state legislation.

  9. The federal law protects businesses from legal action being taken by the government. This law is entirely different. It protects businesses not from the government, but from private citizens that have been discriminated against being able to sue. The difference is civil vs. criminal.

  10. From my perspective, most people in Indiana do not agree with this law. It’s brought attention to the acceptance by how businesses want to operate. Believe it or not, most Hoosiers are not discriminatory backwards rednecks.

  11. The CEO of Angie’s List – Angie’s List !!!! – stood up and told them they were stopping construction, expansion, etc., due to concerns over discrimination inherent in this law.
    Guess Angie’s a bigger man than Irsay, Goodell, or any of the other NFL owners.

  12. It’s pretty obvious from this comment section that most football fans reading it have no problem with discrimination at all. As long as it isn’t against them of course. What a sad bunch you are. Cheers to the decent folks.

  13. The legislature of Indiana is probably a lot like the 19th century thinkers found in Missouri and Kansas legislatures. Both of those bodies are full of ALEC acolytes from top to bottom.

    The governor has probably heard from NFL headquarters–perhaps about the portability of the Combine which has been held in Indianapolis for a number of years–and is hemming and hawing to get the CSA wannabes in the legislature to do something to avoid losing that plum.

  14. “The CEO of Angie’s List – Angie’s List !!!! – stood up and told them they were stopping construction, expansion, etc., due to concerns over discrimination inherent in this law.
    Guess Angie’s a bigger man than Irsay, Goodell, or any of the other NFL owners.”

    The truth of the matter is that is a failing company that has never turned a profit and Indianapolis in no way were going to give them 18 million to expand. Sometimes knowing what you are talking about helps

  15. Probably because it’s basically the same exact law Bill Clinton signed into law back in 1993.

    You mean 22 years ago? So what. Probably before you were even born.

  16. If Irsay is quiet, it”s because he’s been told to not say anything.

    The person not mentioned here is Roger Goodell, the proven moral relativist.

    The NFL just dodged a political bullet by temporarily waiving the league dictate that permitted TV blackouts ( In cities with taxpayer funded stadiums). Goodell also bowed to Republican pressure to block NFL advertising of Afforable Health Insurance program

    With a big election this year, and politicians threatening to look at the NFL’s tax status, the NFL will opt to protect its monopoly.

  17. You would have thought that Irsay would have at least leaked something to Kravitz.

    Maybe they are waiting for Harbaugh or Kensil to tell them what to say.

  18. Sorry but this is a civil rights issue and not simply ‘politics’ – and sports has been intertwined with both throughout our country’s history. The NFL has more clout than any other professional league, and should lead on this issue by immediately making plans to pull the combine and future Super Bowls. When Indiana chooses to rejoin the 21st century the NFL can consider returning league-sponsored activities to the state.

  19. The difference in this tripe legislation is that, unlike the Federal bill so many are quoting, is that it offers NO specific protections to LGBTQ citizens. Turn off Faux News once in a while, you’ll learn something…

  20. “Probably because it’s basically the same exact law Bill Clinton signed into law back in 1993.

    You mean 22 years ago? So what.”

    Touche.

    Nothing scares the yahoos like the speed with witch the acceptance of gay rights and gay marriage is accelerating through the country. Same-sex marriages began in Massachusetts in May of 2004 and progress was slow but it is now favored by a majority of the citizens, especially young people.

  21. This is what is wrong with America. Why do all these businesses have to take a “side” on things like this to apease some fringe group. As long as these businesses do not discriminate against people then this is a non-factor for them.

    The NFL is a sports league, and therefore should not be getting involved in social issues. I realize that sometimes social issues cross into the rhelm of sports (ex. Michael Sam), and then they have to state a position, but this is not one of those times. Not everything has to be a crisis that involves the N.F.L. You mention the AZ thing last year. Maybe, just maybe, the N.F.L. has wised up and learned that they need to stay out of these discussions.

    The statement from the N.F.L. should be, “this is an issue for the people of the state of Indiana to decide. As a sports league, we do not feel it is our place to comment.” It’s the National Football League, not the National Let’s-Take-A-Position-On-Every-Social-Issue League.

  22. @freedumofspeech,

    Nobody voted on this law. It was a Senate Bill. Perhaps before telling others to shut up, you should educate yourself before speaking.

  23. The difference in this tripe legislation is that, unlike the Federal bill so many are quoting, is that it offers NO specific protections to LGBTQ citizens. Turn off Faux News once in a while, you’ll learn something…

    =============================
    O.K., so we need to have one step of laws for the LGBT community, and one set for everyone else. Got it!

  24. Maybe the League is learning they do not have to take a public stance on things they cannot control.

  25. I just realized that gay marriage is younger than the Patriots dynasty. Don’t you love Massachusetts!

  26. routerunning says:

    It’s pretty obvious from this comment section that most football fans reading it have no problem with discrimination at all.
    =======================================

    No, I think most of us in fact are against religious discrimination.

  27. NFL only makes statements quickly when its in their best interest to do so i.e. concussions are way down after Borland called it quits.

    NFL is probably crafting their statement over the weekend and doing their “investigation”. Expect a statement from Goodell “sometime soon” like the penalties publicly being announced on Falcons & Browns.

    Ever notice Goodell has plenty of time to make statements on things in front of reporters but its always the investigation is ongoinf or announcement is coming soon. What a tool. Great leadership out of him. NOT

  28. Why is protecting peoples “beliefs” in state law a good idea? Isn’t separation of church and state the law of the land in America? If people want to Believe in god or the devil or Buddha or Santa clause that’s fine do it at home or in your own church, And if you don’t want to let someone in your tax exempt church for whatever reason that’s fine too. But if you own a business you pay taxes to the state and are no longer protected by the laws that are reserved for your church. Save your “beliefs” for church and stop imposing them on real Americans that value freedom. Laws like this is why the pilgrims left England, and that’s not a Belief that’s a fact.

  29. “The NFL is a sports league, and therefore should not be getting involved in social issues. ”

    Since when?

    The Star Spangled Banner

    Military fly-overs

    Color Guards

    White House calls to the winning locker room

    Super Bowl winners going to the White House

    Play 60

    United Way campaign

    NFL drug policy

    NFL comments on domestic violence

    Team chaplains

    Players kneeling in prayer post game

    Integration and desegregation

    The Rooney Rule

    The name of the team in Washington

  30. Why do we have to hear from them? Why are they being bullied to pick a side? Maybe they don’t care and want to keep operating the way they’ve always been operating with or without this law in place. Just because someone has a business it doesn’t mean they are actively trying to discriminate against someone. As a small business owner I don’t agree with many social politics but doesn’t mean I’m going to turn people away or give less than my standard quality of work because if I did I’d be out of business!

  31. I forget one of the most important social issues the NFL restricts (at least as public policy), gambling.

  32. “the NFL’s silence in 2015 makes little sense, given the noise it made in 2014 when Arizona was poised to do the same thing”

    The same thing? You sure it’s the same thing? So, Indiana’s law is going to allow ALL business owners to turn away gay and lesbian customers? It’s going to allow employers to deny equal pay to women? It’s going to allow individuals to renege on contract obligations? And more, as long as they claim to be doing so in the name of religion?

    Maybe the reason the NFL isn’t making noise is because Indiana’s law is not the same thing as Arizona’s.

  33. quinzze says:
    Mar 29, 2015 1:11 PM
    Why is protecting peoples “beliefs” in state law a good idea? Isn’t separation of church and state the law of the land in America? If people want to Believe in god or the devil or Buddha or Santa clause that’s fine do it at home or in your own church, And if you don’t want to let someone in your tax exempt church for whatever reason that’s fine too. But if you own a business you pay taxes to the state and are no longer protected by the laws that are reserved for your church. Save your “beliefs” for church and stop imposing them on real Americans that value freedom. Laws like this is why the pilgrims left England, and that’s not a Belief that’s a fact.

    This ^ A lot of religious people have some pretty misinformed opinions on how things should work. If you’re anti abortion then just don’t ever have an abortion. If you’re anti gay marriage then by all means please don’t marry someone who is the same sex as you are. You’re entitled to have any belief that you want but you are not entitled to force those beliefs on me or anyone else. Just keep them to yourself and act in accordance with them. If you want to run a business that is open to the public it is not legal for to pick and choose certain groups and discriminate against them. If you want to be a bigot in your home or church then go ahead I guess

  34. Maybe the NFL, Colts and numerous others that have twisted the Governor’s arm are just waiting to see what the next clarification bill says.

  35. PPl are up in arms ( as they should be) So the Gov. adds language to the law say it is not discriminatory say wha?

  36. In Deerbourne, Michigan the city council voted in Sharia Law. But NOBODY said anything negative about it. Not the NFL, NBA, or even Charles Barkley…I wonder why? The silence is deafening. Is this a double standard? Why are they all afraid to denounce this? Anyone? Love to see your comments about this.

  37. theravenlives2 says:
    Mar 29, 2015 12:55 PM
    This is what is wrong with America. Why do all these businesses have to take a “side” on things like this to apease some fringe group. As long as these businesses do not discriminate against people then this is a non-factor for them.

    The NFL is a sports league, and therefore should not be getting involved in social issues. I realize that sometimes social issues cross into the rhelm of sports (ex. Michael Sam), and then they have to state a position, but this is not one of those times. Not everything has to be a crisis that involves the N.F.L. You mention the AZ thing last year. Maybe, just maybe, the N.F.L. has wised up and learned that they need to stay out of these discussions.

    The statement from the N.F.L. should be, “this is an issue for the people of the state of Indiana to decide. As a sports league, we do not feel it is our place to comment.” It’s the National Football League, not the National Let’s-Take-A-Position-On-Every-Social-Issue League.

    —————–
    And yet many years ago some owners like Al Davis made player ethnicity a sports and social issue at a time when pro sports was inclined to sit on the sidelines and let some owners discriminate as much as they wanted.

    Sports, while based in entertainment, still exist in a larger social construct of our culture. They are not exempt from taking a stand simply because they are “sports.”

  38. The glaring lack of tolerance from those that claim they are tolerant

    Just like liberals want you to tolerate their beliefs but they do not want to tolerate religious beliefs

  39. Lol at the notion that every entity in this country should be lined up and interrogated about which “side” they are on.

    It’s a full fledged witchhunt for the “intolerant” that dumb ideas like this get posted on big websites(that is reaching the point of intolerance in itself lol)

    Who cares what the NFL thinks?

  40. It is comical that the LGBT community is threatening Indiana with boycotts. If that small segment of society wasn’t so blind, they’d realize that the message being directed at them by Indiana and other states with similar laws is that they are NOT wanted there to begin with. Get a friggin’ clue.

  41. Well, if ‘hundreds’ protest and both Miley and Ellen are against it, I guess the issue is settled. Screw the millions of Indianans who elected these people who passed this law in a democratic manner.

  42. Personally I am awaiting a statement from the NFL regarding why there is virtually no diversity in their workforce. Why are 90% of the players from the same race? Where are the quotas? Why isn’t the media more outraged?

  43. FYI – just because state lawmakers pass a law, doesn’t mean it’s constitutional. The vast majority of Supreme Court case law is comprised of state lawmakers’ laws being deemed unconstitutional.

  44. There is nothing wrong with the Indiana Law…it’s the right thing to do. I think Christians need to band together to boycott any organization or business that attacks Christian values.

  45. Those of you who keep repeating that this Indiana law is “just like” a federal law passed year ago, and like 19 other states, are wrong. You’re wrong, OK?

    Indiana has no state wide law prohibiting discrimination against gay people, UNLIKE all the other 19 states and UNLIKE the U.S.

    Thus, Indiana’s law is merely an effort to set up a scheme to allow discrimination. That’s all it is. Repeat that and you will be correct.

  46. For people saying that this law already exists on the federal law, sorry you were misinformed. A simple google search about the bills will bring that up. I would post the link but pft doesn’t like such things. You were intentionally misinformed. If the bills were the same, the federal law would actually already have been in place… so Indiana wouldn’t need to pass the law anyways. Indiana did pass the law because it in fact would allow for abuse.

    As for some of the other messages. I really hope they are mostly 13 year old trolls and not people’s serious beliefs about this nation.

  47. So any day now, the Colts can expect a letter from the league stating, ”Congratulations! Thanks to your state’s law, you’re now in the Move To LA Sweepstakes!” Call the moving companies now and get ready to pack up the plantation!
    Geeeezzzzz…..

  48. “kj777 says:
    Mar 29, 2015 2:04 PM
    In Deerbourne, Michigan the city council voted in Sharia Law. But NOBODY said anything negative about it. Not the NFL, NBA, or even Charles Barkley…I wonder why? The silence is deafening. Is this a double standard? Why are they all afraid to denounce this? Anyone? Love to see your comments about this.”

    ——————————————————————

    It’s D-e-a-r-b-o-r-n. Dearborn, MI has a huge Arabic-American population. They did vote in Sharia Law.

    It is a relatively small city (pop. ~95,000), not an entire state. maybe that’s why no major outrage?

    Dunno.

    I grew up 20 minutes from Dearborn. I’ll tell you this: the restaurants are fantastic. Love me some gyros, hummus and lamb.

  49. BTW, who gives two poops about what Jimmy Tweets has to say? Dude is a bozo.

  50. It’s called religious freedom, which is indoctrinated into the Constitution. LBGT have the right to choose their moral direction as they choose, but they do not have the right to force acceptance on others. Doing so is Raping of someone’s faith.

  51. warpigs46777 says:
    Mar 29, 2015 12:32 PM

    “The CEO of Angie’s List – Angie’s List !!!! – stood up and told them they were stopping construction, expansion, etc., due to concerns over discrimination inherent in this law.
    Guess Angie’s a bigger man than Irsay, Goodell, or any of the other NFL owners.”

    The truth of the matter is that is a failing company that has never turned a profit and Indianapolis in no way were going to give them 18 million to expand. Sometimes knowing what you are talking about helps
    ———————————————————-

    They use essentially the same business model Amazon, which has not yet turned a fiscal profit either. Both are plowing income into expansion and increasing market. They’ll have no trouble getting financing somewhere else.

  52. It’s pretty obvious from this comment section that most football fans reading it have no problem with discrimination at all.
    =======================================

    No, I think most of us in fact are against religious discrimination.

    —-

    You can worship in any church you want without fear of any discrimination. And you know it. You just want to cherry-pick tenets of your religion to discriminate against someone. At least be honest about it.

    Where’s the line on this, is it just gays you want to discriminate against or will you also use your religion – as you did in the 1950’s – to try to take back rights from African Americans, or are as you did in the early 1900’s to keep women subservient?

  53. Wonder who does not love religious freedom, our country was founded on this precious freedom. We the people passed this law, not the NFL, they do not rule Indiana. Some things are more important than football, religious freedom.

  54. They use essentially the same business model Amazon, which has not yet turned a fiscal profit either. Both are plowing income into expansion and increasing market. They’ll have no trouble getting financing somewhere else.

    In the meantime their stocks have lost 75% of it’s initial listing and stockholders are losing money. You cannot say the same about amazon

  55. “Wonder who does not love religious freedom, our country was founded on this precious freedom.”

    Our country was founded on the freedoms of speech and petition.* This means that people are free to use their voices to speak out against the law, and to petition the government for a redress of their grievances. Also, the constitutional free exercise of religion has nothing to do with this state statute.

    *As an aside, for the next person who talks about the freedom of association in the Constitution, please provide the text that allows it in the Constitution. Hint- it’s not there. It’s judge created, just like the freedom of privacy (you know, contraception, abortion, all those penumbras and emenations).

  56. Dear Indiana,

    We already had this conversation. You don’t get to choose who sits at the lunch counter.

    Signed,

    America

  57. “Dearborn, Michigan, passed Sharia Law.”

    Not true at all. An online SATIRICAL website posted a “news article” saying Dearborn passed Sharia law. It was a joke. A satire.

    It’s sad when people don’t know the difference between truth and fiction.

    The truth is that the Indiana law is designed to allow discrimination against American citizens. The excuse is religion, which, of course, is a fiction.

  58. This is a very slippery slope when we are allowed to use religious beliefs when making laws. I’m not a liberal and I’m not a conservative I’m a blue collard construction worker that has a mind of my own. Separation of church and state is or should be a simple concept to understand . Christens that feel this is a good thing be carful what you wish for. Look at whats happening in Michigan, Moslems voted in sharia law in Dearborn, do you think that’s a good thing? I don’t ,that’s not freedom that’s not American but it happened because we let religion mix with laws and this is what you get.

  59. freedumofspeech says:
    Mar 29, 2015 12:08 PM
    If that’s the law people voted on then everyone should shut up and live with it!

    =======

    Before commenting in the future, please make sure you understand what you are commenting on. The people of Indiana did NOT vote on this law.

  60. kyblue33 says:
    Mar 29, 2015 3:28 PM
    Wonder who does not love religious freedom, our country was founded on this precious freedom. We the people passed this law, not the NFL, they do not rule Indiana. Some things are more important than football, religious freedom.
    =====

    How does serving food to a gay person violate religious freedom?

  61. The Neighborhood Restaurant (or Theater, or Pharmacy, or Car Repair Shop)

    You’re divorced, my faith preaches against that so please find another restaurant to eat at. Gee folks, sorry but I don’t feel right serving interracial couples so go elsewhere. You’re gay, no need for menus; you’re not welcome here. I know you’re an adulterer Sam, try a different place.

    But let’s not worry about how all these ‘kicked out’ people will feel. Far more important that I, the restaurant owner, have the religious freedom to exclude any one I want. My freedom to go to whatever church I want – whenever I want – isn’t enough. I want to be able to impose my beliefs on virtually anyone. And now I can!

  62. teal379 says: Probably because it’s basically the same exact law Bill Clinton signed into law back in 1993.
    ————————-
    ??? It’s nothing like that law. The Clinton law protects businesses from the government. The Indiana law allows business to discriminate based on gender, sexual orientation, country of origin, race, religion, anything the business owner says is against his religion, and he gets to define what his religion is against.

    To all the people who say, Yeah, but that wasn’t the intent of the law…wow.

  63. theravenlives2 says:
    Mar 29, 2015 12:55 PM
    This is what is wrong with America. Why do all these businesses have to take a “side” on things like this to apease some fringe group. As long as these businesses do not discriminate against people then this is a non-factor for them.

    The NFL is a sports league, and therefore should not be getting involved in social issues. I realize that sometimes social issues cross into the rhelm of sports (ex. Michael Sam), and then they have to state a position, but this is not one of those times. Not everything has to be a crisis that involves the N.F.L. You mention the AZ thing last year. Maybe, just maybe, the N.F.L. has wised up and learned that they need to stay out of these discussions.

    The statement from the N.F.L. should be, “this is an issue for the people of the state of Indiana to decide. As a sports league, we do not feel it is our place to comment.” It’s the National Football League, not the National Let’s-Take-A-Position-On-Every-Social-Issue League.

    —————–
    And yet many years ago some owners like Al Davis made player ethnicity a sports and social issue at a time when pro sports was inclined to sit on the sidelines and let some owners discriminate as much as they wanted.

    Sports, while based in entertainment, still exist in a larger social construct of our culture. They are not exempt from taking a stand simply because they are “sports.”

    ==============================

    Some of you are offering some crazy reasons why the N.F.L. has to take a stand on this. Make no mistake: Al Davis and other owners took that stance because it was in their direct interest to do so. Art Modell once said that he’d have signed Hitler if it would help him win the Super Bowl. No one in the N.F.L is saying that gay, transgendered players can’t play in the N.F.L. (See Michael Sam). In an Indiana case about whether a Christian baker can refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, the N.F.L. has no compelling interest in commenting. They just simply don’t, and its ridiculous to expect them to.

  64. stexan…pretty funny you bring up Angie’s list… They are fighting for state and local subsidies to expand into an old ford plant in Indy…they have never posted a positive revenue…and their stock is going into the tank….they will need the local and state government soon!!!!

  65. Frankly, I don’t care. Discriminate against a race or the handicapped or religions, and I’ll get mad. That’s what the constitution is about.

    Outside of that, our system is set up so that majority rules…and the majority is not in favor of special rights due to lifestyle choices.

  66. Awful funny that we have to ‘accept’ others…
    We no longer have ANY right to opinions…

    Sorry but the NFL doesn’t belong in moral matters… they are one of THE worst offenders…

    This is the problem of the world.. NOT the NFL’s concern.

  67. They have already stated their position last year. Do they really have to do it every single time another law like this pops up. My take is that their position remains the same until the league makes a statement changing it.

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